@William Gates : For the record, I might be a dickhead (harsh, blunt) but I'm not a sneaky snake. my interest in people is genuine, unlike his. had you spent time in psychiatry (I did) you might understand more. Why do you think Narconon is everywhere ? They prey on addicts. Unbalanced people are often good people, who can't reign in their emotions, are too sensitive. Tony Ortega uses those who took refuge from Scientology into the good care of his forum. That's no care. Some have gone mental there.
@Alcoon Slambag : No. If you have not yet spent time on his forum, I urge you to do so for a few months, or a few weeks. If you have I will discuss a few points at length. He writes a blog (although he is an accomplished journalist) because he is biaised and feeds on many people who keep an eye on it and participate, some who recently joined. But try to defend any aspect of scientology/ists and you're done. Trash any previous belief or member and you're welcome (even if you're a fraud, they've had some) but go for a softer touch...you'll be out in no time. Forgiveness is not Scientologist, it's not Ortega either.
Former members should join together and file a Class Action lawsuit against the Church of Scientology for cheating them out of their money and abusing them both mentally and physically.
Pretty sure that is going on. The problem is all the money Scientology has to defend their selves and the plaintiffs just don't have the funds. The Scientologists keep putting shit off and extrending shit to make the ex members run out of funds. Ruthless Scientology lawyers will literally try to destroy you. And never make a deal so even if they were to win if wouldn't be fincially smart. Than if you lose, they can and will sue you for lawyer fees. Crazy shit
Well, a class action doesn't go very far, when the statute of limitations runs out on the injured parties. Cult decompression is a complicated thing, but Scientology is even more dicey, thanks to their militant propaganda against mental health. It takes YEARS if not decades for ex-cult members to understand they were abused, and even then, there's only a handful of deprogrammers in the world (like Jon Atak) who are even willing to tackle the issue, much less do it successfully.
"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them." - L. Ron Hubbard
A lie is not enough to control people , not in the long run, and I doubt he said that, and if he did it was taken out of context to give people the wrong idea. People , sooner or later, will figure out that they are being lied to. If you are lieing to yourself, then , yes, you can be controlled by your own, personal lie for a year or the rest of your life. Jesus said that the truth will set you free and Lafayette Ronald Hubbard proved Jesus was right, through the Scientific Method.
I'm sure being unbalanced is a prerequisite to get a place the hierarchy. Some of those who got out are awfully cold. Their purpose have changed but they are ruthless and think as they were taught (Chris sheldon)
I have to laugh out loud when I hear the quote made by Tom Cruise, where he very seriously states that the most important people in the world are L. Ron Hubbard, David Miscavige, then him...lol. Yeah Tom, a rich, spoiled, narcissistic, abusive actor, who is one of only 20,000 remaining members of the cult of Scientology world-wide, is the 3rd most important person in the world. What Tom Cruise and David Miscavige fail to mention about their own "ranks" within the only 20,000 remaining members of Scientology world-wide is that they are completely self-imposed ranks.
Ellen Dunsmore I’m sure his buddy arranged for him to have women when he needs them he ain’t giving them up! Toms getting free booty probably from young girls that won’t say a word because of threats! These people are sick in the head!
I will never pay to see a tom cruise movie. Tom Cruise supports scientology. Scientology abuses people. Tom Cruise is in fact an abusive person. Most people wouldn't support a cult that abuses and exploits not to mention rips families apart. How do you know everyone who works with him loves him? Ive never heard or seen anyone stand next to him an say they love him and he's a great guy. I never seen in print any other actors hanging out with him ive never seen him honored for any charity or have I seen him participating in any humanitarian causes or relief efforts
It never ceases to amaze me how few people know about L. Ron Hubbard’s longterm relationship with Jack Parsons, going back to when they were both in Naval Intelligence together. Parsons was an open Luciferian and black magick practitioner who went on to invent & develop solid rocket booster fuel for a proto-NASA. Parsons was an *extremely dark* character (as was Hubbard). Aleister Crowley, Parsons’ personal mentor and close friend, was widely known to have said that Parsons was ‘the most important member in the OTO and possibly on the planet’. It’s long been known that Parsons and Hubbard had made a bet between themselves, on which one could first invent a fake religion/cult, that would fool dumb people into joining and voluntarily giving all their money over to the cult. Goes without saying, Hubbard won that bet. Basically, Scientology is nothing more than a thinly veiled Luciferian cult. And the fact that Scientology was granted 501 (c) (3) status is outrageous and proves beyond any doubt (as if there ever really was any) that the IRS is corrupt to its very core.
And now that demonic entity has been doubled in size thanks to Biden. I want to ask if things could possibly get worse but I'm afraid I already know the answer. 😟
The Church I attended, almost all of my life, never made one terrible statement about anybody who decided to not worship with us. We came and went as we pleased, we volunteered, if we so desired. Scientology has such cruel things to say about their ex members, I cannot imagine how they can break bread together and have any kind of fellowship. A - Ron, you are a fine man and I’m very glad you decided to leave Scientology.
No matter what we continue. So proud of TO and PC and the rest of the courageous warriors, the nonnnies who carry the torch for the survivors and their loved ones. We will overcome. I rewatched the Aftermath and cried even more the second time. We are living human beings who are so comassionate these are the people who deserve justice.
I'm so glad all this shit is finally coming out for real against this awful organization. And I thank south park for shoving it in the average persons face
It was pretty good, and all good fun. And they were restricted to this one airing at the time. Perish the idea of having one deal about a movie with Tom Cruise. That's what it came to. Tom Cruise 's veto. That actor can't sign a deal without having everyone under his thumb if he thinks it's needed. the story is he shut them down, and for once, I think the story is true. South Park was attacked by Scientology and scientology won.
@@auntisthenes2754 Did it win? Jenna Miscavige herself said she first heard about the Xenu parts from South Park, which eventually lead to her leaving the church and writing a tell-all book for even more people to see. South Park is still on the air going after bigger targets like China. Meanwhile Scientology is having multiple schisms and bleeding members, relying solely on a handful of wealthy individuals. Scientology may have had a pyrrhic victory, but South Park is winning the war.
@@Bob-lr2xp : I don't think that's why she left. But it's a good thing. Actors and big earners may be cherished, but others are wasting away. It's pretty ironic that one of them embodies the feminist fight on a TV show about a religious dystopian America
@@noname-by3qz The handmaid's tale. The story of a woman trapped in an integrist evangelist america struck with infertility. Following biblic stories of the servant becoming a surrogate, fertile women are used as broodmares by families in power, most barren women are indentured servants, some are drill sargeants responsible for their indoctrination at all cost, free women are forbidden to read, etc. Very dark. And ironically the heroin is interpreted by a scientologist.
It's totally unfair. The Nazi's weren't tax exempt. The Mafia isn't. The Manson family didn't have a tax exempt status. ISIS isn't. None of Scientology's peers are tax exempt. Maybe Trump has it exactly right.
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The founder of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, was a follower of Aleister Crowley. Alot of Crowley's philosophies were integrated into Scientology.
Ron lived in the "Parsonage" with Jack Parsons (rocket engineer/occult magician) and was friends with him. Jack ran the Agape Lodge of the O.T.O. and Ron helped with his magic rituals where he tried to summon and communicate with spirits (what the church would call devil worship). They completed the Babylon working in the desert together in 1946 to summon a goddess to earth as a part of a plan to create a new messiah (what any normal person would call some pretty weird stuff). Hubbard was a good Sci-Fi writer, but he was not the kind of guy who I'd consider a role model for a new religion.
It was 3 minutes out of the entire interview. He was very polite and nice. I think Scientology is completely fucking ridiculous, however I surely wouldn't call the interview "that Ribisi embarrassment". I thought the boys did a great job, and Giovanni was lovely.
I grew up in a Catholic Family. And when my brother walked away, no one in the Church ordered me or my family to break off all contact with him, much less attack him personally.
For all the money people give to this church and the truly lack of progression in "clearing" the world, can you imagine ways that money could have been better spent to help others?
I was a Scientologist but my contract came to a end last week and I just thought that after serving one billion years that I was going to have a break for a while 😉
I tried to promote that book at a Scientology book fair . watch out they don't like that book Tony Ortega is #1 hated by Scientology and I found out the hard way .
@@michael-4k4000 Rube, every ancient culture had myths but not the Jews? The high point between three continents is a geopolitically strategic place, Cupcake. The Jews created Moses and Jehovah in 950 BCE, then stole Satan from the Greek myth of Hades. Type Bible Criticism online and learn humility. Smugness is only for brainwashed cult members. So is self-righteousness and superiority. How educated are you? Ever check your facts with science?
I think some disliked it because of the way the hosts did the interview. There are less scientologists allowed to go on the internet and comment on a vid covering scientology
I like Jim & Sam. Jim is the comedian & Sam is the thinker on the show, who's always thinking about facts, or he's looking for the Back Story. Actually they work well together. Check back on the video at 27:00 to 28:08 & 28:30 to 30:40. There's laughs, some joking but all in all, you can get a lot. At least I did. So yeah, I like their shows that they've put on UA-cam....
@@JT-rb2cj Aside from look who's talking, he hadn't done much in the 80s after Saturday night fever. It was well known that pulp fiction revived a slumping career. He said as much
They made the girl that dated Tom Cruise take her braces off before she was supposed to, dye her hair darker, so she would look more like her Persian heritage, & they told her things about her boyfriend in his file to make her break up with him. She had a migraine, when she had dinner with David Miscaviage & he & Tom Cruise went off on her. And Katie Holmes was auditioned to be his girlfriend.
THE GIRL was Nazanin Boniadi and I have heard more of her than Katie Holmes. She openly rebelled and good for her. She made her place, even shines on the little screen. Where is Katie Holmes ?
I bought The Bridge from 0 to OT3, around $100,000. After they had my money they said: "you didn't buy anything, we don't owe you anything, you made a donation to the Church. Scientology made me homeless. I eat food from dumpsters now.
Child abuse. That's all I heard when the guests was talking about the young woman suing the Scientology organization and explaining what she had experienced there as a 12 YO, being expected to sign a billion year contract, working like that (!!!!) and being punished for expressing missing her own mother! It's child abuse. It's emotional exploitation and neglect and forced labour of a minor. Horrible. Hate it. Also, why is crazy so fascinating sometimes..lol. This Scientology nuttiness is something to behold and something to be checked in on for real without influence from the organization of any sort, I think, and if all these insider escapees are telling the truth it needs to be stopped, like a billion years ago. Just listened to Growing Up In Scientology interview. I listen to YT while working and I work alot, haha, but that was taped back in 2001!!! (Posted later obviously). How is this kind of thing going on?! Having little kids hunt for rattlesnakes on the property for $$, small children picking lice out of other children's hair, living in mold and filth with no hot water in large neglected apartment or office buildings, chipping paint from old metal bunk bed frames, no parent interaction from very early in the morning to 12:00 midnight, no oversight by any adults for hours or days? Serious injuries with no medical care until the parent that normally is kept away from the child comes to get them and take them due to cost and effort??? WTH? Is this all real? How can it happen?
Look at what Scientology really is, it's actual origins it's SYMBOLOGY and the integral part it plays in The Brotherhood/The Syndicate you guys. . Come onnn ! This world IS owned and controlled by an uber-elite satanic worshipping Banking cartel Cabaal - the 'Illuminati' the Crypto Jews, Zionists, Jesuits and other 'high order' secret society groups. Hollywood high level employees, actresses and all, ARE part of this Cabaal - FACT. They are the agents of change, the Influencers of Social Engineering with the ideas coming out of the Tavistock Institute, Fabian Society etc. and the other big Round Table groups, Foundations associated. Look at and research what I'm saying if even slightly unsure. To get work, especially the top jobs, they MUST be in the Brotherhood.. But they must always aspire to the higher degrees too and show who they really work for. Ref: Tom cruise and other Hollywood elites show Illuminati hand symbols m.ua-cam.com/video/mLvE8n5dSyQ/v-deo.html When an actor gets his her Equity Card, SAGAFTRA Card - they start into the masonic occult world of 'acting'. Scientology is absolutely part of this Brotherhood now, but perhaps much more likely - always was. We can know them by what they communicate in their symbols, which is new age luciferian symbology. Research this properly with intellectual honesty to see what we're telling you. No one at all has been saying this - but it needs to be said - the truth. Perhaps DM was bought. Perhaps he was a CIA or other Intelligence plant - whatever. Scientology is now - and likely always has been (originates from) in LRH's early days, the Alistair Crowley elite's satanic cult The OTO, whilst living with Jack Parsons the early pre-NASA, JPL rocket scientist; an integral sub group of the 'Elite' Illuminati New World Order Brotherhood. LRH was likely working under US Naval Intelligence which is owned and controlled - as is the CIA, MI6 etc. by those BEHIND the veil. Of course, the establishment cabaal own the vatican, the Central Banking cartel, the world's major monotheistic religions, biggest corporations , big oil, big tech, the world's Secret Intelligence Agencies, pretty much everything else in any event, so you can see where this is going. Scientology announced in about 1993 that it became Tax - exempt finally. That was NOT likely given FREE. It had to really join the fold we suggest and give the Deep State full access to its files perhaps. Truth is NOT always stranger than fiction - or science fiction it seems. Research is always best. You might want to start here, for real truth seekers only : tabublog.com/2017/07/11/the-holy-grail-of-who-they-are-that-rule-over-us-all/ Perhaps do some real research now and start really telling the truth. Wake up sheeple ! Wake up a friend or family member or colleague with this new (to you & most commenting apparently) hidden in plain sight - truth information. 🐑😴😣😲 👍 🙏
Even in the worse case scenario (Excomunication) the Catholic Church would NEVER ask other Catholics to shun/disconect/ isolate the person, not would it ever ask a father to disconnect from a son, etc. It is absolutely NOT the same at all... Breaking up families in this way is THE MARK of a pernicious CULT.
@@Mrs.TJTaylor LOLLLLL!! For real! I think the ending of this Cult will come when the FBI finally digs their head out of their asses, they arrest and convict Miscaviage for the war like crimes he has committed.....then during interrogation, Miscaviage blames TC for everything, implicating him in all the horrible shit this Cult does to people. The "Church" will then disavow Cruise & label him a SP, kicking him out of his 'I'm a God's club and only then.....after TC realizes that this Cult doesn't have a Fuk to give about him and only wanted his money all along.....only then will he take a stand, denounce this Cult to the public, take back his life and maybe, just maybe, he will make an attempt to see his long lost daughter again (who he won't be able to reconnect with because she is really Miscaviage's child.) The FBI would have to spend years debriefing him with countless hours of free psycho therapy before his mushed up brain matter can start to take form again. By then he will be old & feeble and will realize that he wasted not only 3 marriages and a relationship with his daughter, but his entire adult life being scammed by a con artist. Lol!! That's my take on it at least! #rescueTC #debrief #Gethimout #Agoodmanwasted #killthecultthatkilledTC
In fact, one of my favorite vape-shop is not far from the general area he's talking about in Lake Arrowhead. It's fucking insane. There are some unsettling people around there. Btw appreciate the retweets guys, I do mean it. Your show has rapidly become among my favorite's of all time online.
I live at the west end of Scientology Row on Hollywood Boulevard, which is about a mile long and is composed of a dozen classic 1930s buildings, Including the famous Knickerboker Hotel. About ten years ago, just for fun, I started composing a song called "I'm Clear!" and it's really good and I sing it loudly when I pass the Scientology buildings. No negative response...yet.
Tony says around 26:30 that The Hole no longer exists, but the two double wide trailer homes are still visible on both Google Maps and Google Earth. Maybe they've been re-purposed. If you check out Gold Base on Google Earth, it's rendered in 3D which makes for a slightly more detailed view of the buildings and grounds. It becomes much more apparent that the two double wides stand in stark contrast to the other buildings, some of which look positively palatial. Real estate, private investigators, "squirrel busters" ("squirrels" are ex-members who still use Scientology tools), lawyers and lawsuits. That's what Scientology does with its tax-exempt money. 20,000 members worldwide, dwindling by the day.
When so many people are reporting that people are held against their will and Shelly miscavage had been missing for years, why can’t law enforcement go in there?
Kudos to Tony for trying to keep the conversation lucid. The guy in the dark blue t-shirt was embarrassingly not funny. The best thing to render Scientology harmless is simply not to get involved in the first place. Scientology can re-invent itself as a plaything of the stars without doing too much damage, if wealthy people want to throw money at Scientology let them. In the meantime there needs to be a groundswell of public opinion against Scientology that is going to keep people well-informed about just how destructive it is.
I don't know if Tom Cruise is gay, but I think he's nodding that way, he marries women for publicity, for his image as an Action man but I think he prefers the company of men, there's something not right with Tom Cruise
I escaped from the rehab called Narconon, in Harlingen, TX. It was all the same bullshit, based on scientology. I went in not knowing what the fuck it was and left with more stories of messed up shit than most crap other people have. It is all true, they are nuts... they make you pay to work there after you go through the rehab. If you do wanna get kicked out really fast, simply ask your case worker... "How do I get tickets to the mothership???" and within an hour you will be outta there. Never send anyone there it is all complete and utter bullshit. They know nothing about actually getting and staying sober. They simply are all about money, and wacked shit from a failed science fiction writer... a fat disgusting one at that.
The difference between a Religion and a Cult is that: 1. A religion respects your rights and liberties to enter or leave a group, married who you want outside your religion, do not give money to your congregations if you don't want. 2. Being capable to develop your critical thinking, asks questions, doubts, without being criticized, punish, or pointing out. 3. You are respected on privacy, you have your private space, your own thoughts movements, secrets, 4. All human beings got the right to a family, even if members don't think the same or have the same religion. 5. You have the right of your own credo and consciousness. Scientology is not a religion in Germany, France, and other countries, that has a law against cults.
This is why people like Tom cruise and John travolta make me sick,all the sickening things that Scientology are guilty of and yet they turn a blind eye to it as they live in total ignorance because they put their own personal benefits before the tragedies and atrocities caused to families .
And today, August 30, 2022, the tax office rendered its decision: all activities of the Church of Scientology are to be considered beneficial to the public at large
the only thing Scientology Clears is your bank account
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Yeah but where is Shelly?
@nikto45 Zenu shall be pleased be with you. 😂😂😂
150-250k each level on ones way to going clear
@nikto45 yessss it's called brainwashing
Thank god for people like Tony Ortega for getting out the word about this evil organization.
The quackery was a mystery to ya?
That’s what I thought ? It’s a shock they’re a cult is it ?!!
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Tony Ortega rocks!
He is well spoken!
Keep kicking ass Tony!
He's a hell of a journalist, but he uses people to their marrow to get his daily story.
@William Gates : For the record, I might be a dickhead (harsh, blunt) but I'm not a sneaky snake. my interest in people is genuine, unlike his. had you spent time in psychiatry (I did) you might understand more. Why do you think Narconon is everywhere ? They prey on addicts. Unbalanced people are often good people, who can't reign in their emotions, are too sensitive. Tony Ortega uses those who took refuge from Scientology into the good care of his forum. That's no care. Some have gone mental there.
@Alcoon Slambag : No. If you have not yet spent time on his forum, I urge you to do so for a few months, or a few weeks.
If you have I will discuss a few points at length.
He writes a blog (although he is an accomplished journalist) because he is biaised and feeds on many people who keep an eye on it and participate, some who recently joined.
But try to defend any aspect of scientology/ists and you're done. Trash any previous belief or member and you're welcome (even if you're a fraud, they've had some) but go for a softer touch...you'll be out in no time. Forgiveness is not Scientologist, it's not Ortega either.
D Hoffman : Definitely
Tony is the best ❤️
Former members should join together and file a Class Action lawsuit against the Church of Scientology for cheating them out of their money and abusing them both mentally and physically.
Pretty sure that is going on. The problem is all the money Scientology has to defend their selves and the plaintiffs just don't have the funds. The Scientologists keep putting shit off and extrending shit to make the ex members run out of funds. Ruthless Scientology lawyers will literally try to destroy you. And never make a deal so even if they were to win if wouldn't be fincially smart. Than if you lose, they can and will sue you for lawyer fees. Crazy shit
Once a quack has your cash, it's spent on legal bills.
@@kristinebrown7505 Quackery demands dumb victims.
Well, a class action doesn't go very far, when the statute of limitations runs out on the injured parties. Cult decompression is a complicated thing, but Scientology is even more dicey, thanks to their militant propaganda against mental health. It takes YEARS if not decades for ex-cult members to understand they were abused, and even then, there's only a handful of deprogrammers in the world (like Jon Atak) who are even willing to tackle the issue, much less do it successfully.
"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write
that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can
control anybody is to lie to them."
- L. Ron Hubbard
Good call Colin!
Quackery!
A lie is not enough to control people , not in the long run, and I doubt he said that, and if he did it was taken out of context to give people the wrong idea.
People , sooner or later, will figure out that they are being lied to.
If you are lieing to yourself, then , yes, you can be controlled by your own, personal lie for a year or the rest of your life. Jesus said that the truth will set you free and Lafayette Ronald Hubbard proved Jesus was right, through the Scientific Method.
@@patphatkitten Many elderly Rubes, eating religious poo and licking the plate clean, dude.
@@patphatkitten Many Elderly Rubes eating Quack's poo and licking the plates clean, friend.
This man knows what he is talking about and he is on the spot , good work sir
I think Miscavage is a Sociopath
Dawn Schoenen psychopath
I'm sure being unbalanced is a prerequisite to get a place the hierarchy. Some of those who got out are awfully cold. Their purpose have changed but they are ruthless and think as they were taught (Chris sheldon)
More like a psychopath.
@@jenniferhyde5389 : He is the head of scientology !
A Psycopath is born and a Sociopath made. Either or, he’s definitely one or the other.
I have to laugh out loud when I hear the quote made by Tom Cruise, where he very seriously states that the most important people in the world are L. Ron Hubbard, David Miscavige, then him...lol. Yeah Tom, a rich, spoiled, narcissistic, abusive actor, who is one of only 20,000 remaining members of the cult of Scientology world-wide, is the 3rd most important person in the world. What Tom Cruise and David Miscavige fail to mention about their own "ranks" within the only 20,000 remaining members of Scientology world-wide is that they are completely self-imposed ranks.
@Erik Flores : I'd bet dollars to donuts that you are a Scientology member trolling this thread.
Ray Davison right??? So damn obvious!
Erik Flores how about his ex wives? Yup! He treated them horribly. That’s just two people off the top of my head.
Ellen Dunsmore I’m sure his buddy arranged for him to have women when he needs them he ain’t giving them up! Toms getting free booty probably from young girls that won’t say a word because of threats! These people are sick in the head!
I will never pay to see a tom cruise movie. Tom Cruise supports scientology. Scientology abuses people. Tom Cruise is in fact an abusive person. Most people wouldn't support a cult that abuses and exploits not to mention rips families apart. How do you know everyone who works with him loves him? Ive never heard or seen anyone stand next to him an say they love him and he's a great guy. I never seen in print any other actors hanging out with him ive never seen him honored for any charity or have I seen him participating in any humanitarian causes or relief efforts
It never ceases to amaze me how few people know about L. Ron Hubbard’s longterm relationship with Jack Parsons, going back to when they were both in Naval Intelligence together.
Parsons was an open Luciferian and black magick practitioner who went on to invent & develop solid rocket booster fuel for a proto-NASA. Parsons was an *extremely dark* character (as was Hubbard).
Aleister Crowley, Parsons’ personal mentor and close friend, was widely known to have said that Parsons was ‘the most important member in the OTO and possibly on the planet’.
It’s long been known that Parsons and Hubbard had made a bet between themselves, on which one could first invent a fake religion/cult, that would fool dumb people into joining and voluntarily giving all their money over to the cult. Goes without saying, Hubbard won that bet. Basically, Scientology is nothing more than a thinly veiled Luciferian cult.
And the fact that Scientology was granted 501 (c) (3) status is outrageous and proves beyond any doubt (as if there ever really was any) that the IRS is corrupt to its very core.
if you believe black magic actually exists you belong in a mental institution and are just part of another cult.
Proof? I know a lot about nasa and hate Scientology.
Hes right except the bit about it being lucifarian. It's clearly a pyramid scheme that funds tax free property purchases for the scientology portfolio
Oh my god, please go touch some grass.
And now that demonic entity has been doubled in size thanks to Biden. I want to ask if things could possibly get worse but I'm afraid I already know the answer. 😟
Tony Ortega is the man!! Thanks for having him on the show, Jim & Sam.
I'm a huge fan of Tony Ortega. The man got balls.
Tony is a Hero!
Reminds me of Raymond Franz Fearless...
Great interview with Tony Ortega. He knows more about scientology, than any single member of this organization/business.
Quackery, dude.
True 100%
Cult you mean
I could listen to him all day. It’s just fascinating.
The Church I attended, almost all of my life, never made one terrible statement about anybody who decided to not worship with us. We came and went as we pleased, we volunteered, if we so desired. Scientology has such cruel things to say about their ex members, I cannot imagine how they can break bread together and have any kind of fellowship. A - Ron, you are a fine man and I’m very glad you decided to leave Scientology.
Hubbard was never anything more than a third rate sci fi writer, a complete mad man.
Joe Rogan interviewed Ron Miscavige, David's Father, it's a fascinating interview.
Absolutely
Yeah Jim should have him on
Joe Rogan was a smug prick with the old mans story after schmoozing up with Leah Remini and knowing before hand how strange it all was.
Joe Rogan was a sarcastic prick to Ron. It's that simple.
Uncle Paul with the quick appearance at 8:14. Potted right up.
thats some good pot
Tom cruise and David miscavige are really a couple.
Unlikely that they will ever admit that in public as Scientology is against lgbtq+
Well, midgets have to stick together!!!!!
@ungratefulmetalpansy Neither. They both like taking turns.
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@@LeenaStark don't be daft Tom and David give head to the ghost of old mother Hubbard 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They should NOT have tax exempt status. They don't provide a public service (or so little as to be insignificant).
Joe Rogan has to get this guy on his podcast.
Fuck Scientology. ITS The Gerätestraße bullshit
Jamie, call up Tony Ortega and get him some DMT.
I'm sure one of Joe's buddies knows Tony Ortega
@berardis3579 ??
@Get money Humm.... Strange
No matter what we continue.
So proud of TO and PC and the rest of the courageous warriors, the nonnnies who carry the torch for the survivors and their loved ones. We will overcome.
I rewatched the Aftermath and cried even more the second time. We are living human beings who are so comassionate these are the people who deserve justice.
I'm so glad all this shit is finally coming out for real against this awful organization. And I thank south park for shoving it in the average persons face
It was pretty good, and all good fun. And they were restricted to this one airing at the time. Perish the idea of having one deal about a movie with Tom Cruise. That's what it came to. Tom Cruise 's veto. That actor can't sign a deal without having everyone under his thumb if he thinks it's needed. the story is he shut them down, and for once, I think the story is true. South Park was attacked by Scientology and scientology won.
@@auntisthenes2754 Did it win? Jenna Miscavige herself said she first heard about the Xenu parts from South Park, which eventually lead to her leaving the church and writing a tell-all book for even more people to see.
South Park is still on the air going after bigger targets like China. Meanwhile Scientology is having multiple schisms and bleeding members, relying solely on a handful of wealthy individuals.
Scientology may have had a pyrrhic victory, but South Park is winning the war.
@@Bob-lr2xp : I don't think that's why she left. But it's a good thing. Actors and big earners may be cherished, but others are wasting away. It's pretty ironic that one of them embodies the feminist fight on a TV show about a religious dystopian America
@@auntisthenes2754
May I ask what TV show?
@@noname-by3qz The handmaid's tale. The story of a woman trapped in an integrist evangelist america struck with infertility. Following biblic stories of the servant becoming a surrogate, fertile women are used as broodmares by families in power, most barren women are indentured servants, some are drill sargeants responsible for their indoctrination at all cost, free women are forbidden to read, etc. Very dark. And ironically the heroin is interpreted by a scientologist.
Trump wants to get rid of Scientology tax exempt status.
Enfin on va peut être se débarrasser de ce culte qui abuse du monde avec
Leurs mensonges.
What's taking so long....LRH is a fiction writer, meaning it's all fake.
Yeah right
What the Xenu is taking so long already? Are Trump's "body-thetans" in the way?
It's totally unfair. The Nazi's weren't tax exempt. The Mafia isn't. The Manson family didn't have a tax exempt status. ISIS isn't. None of Scientology's peers are tax exempt. Maybe Trump has it exactly right.
The founder of Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard, was a follower of Aleister Crowley. Alot of Crowley's philosophies were integrated into Scientology.
Ron lived in the "Parsonage" with Jack Parsons (rocket engineer/occult magician) and was friends with him. Jack ran the Agape Lodge of the O.T.O. and Ron helped with his magic rituals where he tried to summon and communicate with spirits (what the church would call devil worship). They completed the Babylon working in the desert together in 1946 to summon a goddess to earth as a part of a plan to create a new messiah (what any normal person would call some pretty weird stuff).
Hubbard was a good Sci-Fi writer, but he was not the kind of guy who I'd consider a role model for a new religion.
I'm happy he schooled them on Scientology after that Ribisi embarrassment!
What embarrassment? Seemed like an average/normal interview to me...
Oh please anyone who even tries to defend Scientology is an embarrassment, don't you think?
It was 3 minutes out of the entire interview. He was very polite and nice. I think Scientology is completely fucking ridiculous, however I surely wouldn't call the interview "that Ribisi embarrassment". I thought the boys did a great job, and Giovanni was lovely.
Yeah you're right..(hey we came to an agreement on the internet what the fuck is this black magic?!)
You guys should fuck
Intriguing. I’ve read and seen a lot of Scientology material. This interview kept my attention and gave me new information. Thank you.
I grew up in a Catholic Family. And when my brother walked away, no one in the Church ordered me or my family to break off all contact with him, much less attack him personally.
They didn't terrorize him with evil demons and eternal hellfire? Really?
For all the money people give to this church and the truly lack of progression in "clearing" the world, can you imagine ways that money could have been better spent to help others?
Quackery is a mysterious con game.
Scientology uses the weaknesses of people against them. According to the people there, their way is the best for mankind.
This is Frightening in the EXTREME! OMG! Thank you Tony Ortega
Merely the con game of quackery, dude.
This is absolutely fascinating. I could listen to him read the most mundane thing and would be riveted
I love this guy!! I’m so invested in this “religion” its mind blowing 🤯
make that movie! please tony!
Rj D starring Nicole Kidman or Katie Holmes as Paulette cooper
I have never - EVER - seen a single positive comment about Scientology. Why?
A scientologist who watches this video would endanger himself being called supressive
Scientology should have its tax exempt status reviewed.
Quackery is an ancient cult, dude.
I was a Scientologist but my contract came to a end last week and I just thought that after serving one billion years that I was going to have a break for a while 😉
Quackery needs your cash.
I don't know how many people are actually leaving this sham outfit but you gotta think these efforts have certainly curtailed new enrollment!
No EMeter is going to help me remember even what I had for breakfast yesterday.
Quackery.
Or why I just walked into the room.
I tried to promote that book at a Scientology book fair . watch out they don't like that book Tony Ortega is #1 hated by Scientology and I found out the hard way .
What woman in her right mind would go near cruise??
Exactly but 3/4 women ain't in their right mind 😂😂😂😂😂
@Nyree Harris ... It's hard to imagine why men aren't crawling across floors of broken glass to be with such a lady as yourself 😂
Keyboard Dancers Money and fame.
@Nyree Harris Just ask nicely and I will be quite cooperative.
A struggling actress?!
Say "Hi" to Miss Cavage... from all her friends and supporters in West Hollywood. We love you and Tommy. You've turned S&M into a way of life.
@@a.wodehouse2393 Why do you want to know?
"Nazanin Boniadi, an Iranian-born, London-raised actress, was selected to date Cruise from November 2004 until January 2005"
Sick practice that they are doing
This Tony Ortega he's a freaking superhero a rockstar people should know
I predict it's only a matter of time before David Miscavage's downfall along with Scientology as we know it now.
How the Hell can ANYONE still be so clueless as Norton and Roberts when it comes to Scientology?
Watch their reactions. Just saw Jim yawn! Idk why they would edit that in.. and Sam looks like he's not even listening
Quackery is a con that permits con men to frolic in fantasyland and the suckers are a goldmine of fun!
The same way the political party you hate is still clueless.
@@martinkent333 pardon me Martin but I'm a scientologist and so is my Uncle Ned. My Uncle Ned is the smartess man I've ever met!
@@michael-4k4000 Rube, every ancient culture had myths but not the Jews? The high point between three continents is a geopolitically strategic place, Cupcake. The Jews created Moses and Jehovah in 950 BCE, then stole Satan from the Greek myth of Hades. Type Bible Criticism online and learn humility. Smugness is only for brainwashed cult members. So is self-righteousness and superiority. How educated are you? Ever check your facts with science?
Tom cruise has a huge secret he’s also got a complex and doesn’t realise the world is laughing at him xx
Quackery.
Tom Ruse more like
Send in the seals... it's like our own little NK.
Thank you guys for this great interview!
Only Scientologists disliked this.
I think some disliked it because of the way the hosts did the interview. There are less scientologists allowed to go on the internet and comment on a vid covering scientology
Only alien ghosts disliked this. There aren't as many as we thought apparently.
+Anthony Sullivan
He didn’t laugh, because it was a bomb!
The host is sooo fucking annoying
I like Jim & Sam. Jim is the comedian & Sam is the thinker on the show, who's always thinking about facts, or he's looking for the Back Story. Actually they work well together. Check back on the video at 27:00 to 28:08 & 28:30 to 30:40. There's laughs, some joking but all in all, you can get a lot. At least I did. So yeah, I like their shows that they've put on UA-cam....
Y’all remember that South Park Episode about Tom cruise in the closet? That’s how I first learned about the insanity that is Scientology.
Doesn't it have John Tavolta in there as well at some point?
The closet is full
Wait, isn't Quentin Tarantino responsible for everything good in John Travolta's life?
Richard Kyle No.
If it weren't for pulp fiction, he would have never gotten any of those movies afterwards and people would bareiy know who he is
Yeah all those great films he did after Pulp Fiction! Almost forgot Travolta hasn’t been a mega-star since the ‘70’s, you’re right my bad
@@JT-rb2cj
Aside from look who's talking, he hadn't done much in the 80s after Saturday night fever. It was well known that pulp fiction revived a slumping career. He said as much
Exactly. Quentin Tarantino is not responsible for everything good in Travolta’s life.
Tony Ortega is a man of integrity.
Manchester my home town in the U.K. it has a Scientology centre. It needs shutting down.
i walk past it every day and I don't think its open anymore
Quackery is merely a cult.
They made the girl that dated Tom Cruise take her braces off before she was supposed to, dye her hair darker, so she would look more like her Persian heritage, & they told her things about her boyfriend in his file to make her break up with him. She had a migraine, when she had dinner with David Miscaviage & he & Tom Cruise went off on her. And Katie Holmes was auditioned to be his girlfriend.
THE GIRL was Nazanin Boniadi and I have heard more of her than Katie Holmes. She openly rebelled and good for her. She made her place, even shines on the little screen. Where is Katie Holmes ?
Aunt Isthenes Probably living comfortably without needing to shine on a little screen
@@auntisthenes2754 In a mansion wiping her ass with money
@@auntisthenes2754 In New York City. Being visible! She made sure Suri was not a part of Tom Cruises belief system.
miscavige : scientology = KJU : north korea
I bought The Bridge from 0 to OT3, around $100,000. After they had my money they said: "you didn't buy anything, we don't owe you anything, you made a donation to the Church. Scientology made me homeless. I eat food from dumpsters now.
Fascinating.
Leah remini is an absolute gem. An angel on earth.
Child abuse. That's all I heard when the guests was talking about the young woman suing the Scientology organization and explaining what she had experienced there as a 12 YO, being expected to sign a billion year contract, working like that (!!!!) and being punished for expressing missing her own mother! It's child abuse. It's emotional exploitation and neglect and forced labour of a minor. Horrible. Hate it. Also, why is crazy so fascinating sometimes..lol. This Scientology nuttiness is something to behold and something to be checked in on for real without influence from the organization of any sort, I think, and if all these insider escapees are telling the truth it needs to be stopped, like a billion years ago. Just listened to Growing Up In Scientology interview. I listen to YT while working and I work alot, haha, but that was taped back in 2001!!! (Posted later obviously). How is this kind of thing going on?! Having little kids hunt for rattlesnakes on the property for $$, small children picking lice out of other children's hair, living in mold and filth with no hot water in large neglected apartment or office buildings, chipping paint from old metal bunk bed frames, no parent interaction from very early in the morning to 12:00 midnight, no oversight by any adults for hours or days? Serious injuries with no medical care until the parent that normally is kept away from the child comes to get them and take them due to cost and effort??? WTH? Is this all real? How can it happen?
Jim and Sam handled this interview really well.
They know the dirt on Tom Cruise…..he will never leave…
At least Nicole tried to get Tom out.
He needs to come out... on his own. ;)
@@MrJimmyTide We all know he is gay!so fun to hear they tried to pair Tom with Scarlett Johansson!
Kidman is tied in via family to child trafficking and abuse, she's a mess, I doubt she could help him anymore than he could help her😒
@@greerchase9443 Cruise is tied to the same things, basically, through his religion.
Look at what Scientology really is, it's actual origins it's SYMBOLOGY and the integral part it plays in The Brotherhood/The Syndicate you guys. .
Come onnn ! This world IS owned and controlled by an uber-elite satanic worshipping Banking cartel Cabaal - the 'Illuminati' the Crypto Jews, Zionists, Jesuits and other 'high order' secret society groups.
Hollywood high level employees, actresses and all, ARE part of this Cabaal
- FACT.
They are the agents of change, the Influencers of Social Engineering with the ideas coming out of the Tavistock Institute, Fabian Society etc. and the other big Round Table groups, Foundations associated.
Look at and research what I'm saying if even slightly unsure.
To get work, especially the top jobs, they MUST be in the Brotherhood.. But they must always aspire to the higher degrees too and show who they really work for.
Ref: Tom cruise and other Hollywood elites show Illuminati hand symbols
m.ua-cam.com/video/mLvE8n5dSyQ/v-deo.html
When an actor gets his her Equity Card, SAGAFTRA Card - they start into the masonic occult world of 'acting'.
Scientology is absolutely part of this Brotherhood now, but perhaps much more likely - always was.
We can know them by what they communicate in their symbols, which is new age luciferian symbology.
Research this properly with intellectual honesty to see what we're telling you.
No one at all has been saying this - but it needs to be said - the truth.
Perhaps DM was bought. Perhaps he was a CIA or other Intelligence plant
- whatever.
Scientology is now - and likely always has been (originates from) in LRH's early days, the Alistair Crowley elite's satanic cult The OTO, whilst living with Jack Parsons the early pre-NASA, JPL rocket scientist; an integral sub group of the 'Elite' Illuminati New World Order Brotherhood.
LRH was likely working under US Naval Intelligence which is owned and controlled - as is the CIA, MI6 etc. by those BEHIND the veil.
Of course, the establishment cabaal own the vatican, the Central Banking cartel, the world's major monotheistic religions, biggest corporations , big oil, big tech, the world's Secret Intelligence Agencies, pretty much everything else in any event, so you can see where this is going.
Scientology announced in about 1993 that it became
Tax - exempt finally. That was NOT likely given FREE. It had to really join the fold we suggest and give the Deep State full access to its files perhaps. Truth is NOT always stranger than fiction - or science fiction it seems.
Research is always best.
You might want to start here, for real truth seekers only :
tabublog.com/2017/07/11/the-holy-grail-of-who-they-are-that-rule-over-us-all/
Perhaps do some real research now and start really telling the truth.
Wake up sheeple ! Wake up a friend or family member or colleague with this new (to you & most commenting apparently) hidden in plain sight - truth information.
🐑😴😣😲 👍 🙏
Scientology the original way is the problem . Its isolating and warring
Mere quackery.
The little Paul Hargis heh” Jim does after Paul haggis. Best part lol
Even in the worse case scenario (Excomunication) the Catholic Church would NEVER ask other Catholics to shun/disconect/ isolate the person, not would it ever ask a father to disconnect from a son, etc. It is absolutely NOT the same at all... Breaking up families in this way is THE MARK of a pernicious CULT.
Tom Cruise needs to go to prison!!!!!!
jacapo ten no argument
@@Mrs.TJTaylor LOLLLLL!! For real! I think the ending of this Cult will come when the FBI finally digs their head out of their asses, they arrest and convict Miscaviage for the war like crimes he has committed.....then during interrogation, Miscaviage blames TC for everything, implicating him in all the horrible shit this Cult does to people. The "Church" will then disavow Cruise & label him a SP, kicking him out of his 'I'm a God's club and only then.....after TC realizes that this Cult doesn't have a Fuk to give about him and only wanted his money all along.....only then will he take a stand, denounce this Cult to the public, take back his life and maybe, just maybe, he will make an attempt to see his long lost daughter again (who he won't be able to reconnect with because she is really Miscaviage's child.) The FBI would have to spend years debriefing him with countless hours of free psycho therapy before his mushed up brain matter can start to take form again. By then he will be old & feeble and will realize that he wasted not only 3 marriages and a relationship with his daughter, but his entire adult life being scammed by a con artist. Lol!! That's my take on it at least!
#rescueTC #debrief #Gethimout #Agoodmanwasted #killthecultthatkilledTC
why, is he not White enough?
Jesus, can you see tom cruise spending time in san quentin? His A-hole would be ripped to shreds.
@@easyboy1950 he will scape from a window with some kind of laser!!!! 😂😂😂😂
Holy shit! I live RIGHT NEAR Lake Arrowhead by the way! It's fucking crazy around there.
In fact, one of my favorite vape-shop is not far from the general area he's talking about in Lake Arrowhead. It's fucking insane. There are some unsettling people around there. Btw appreciate the retweets guys, I do mean it. Your show has rapidly become among my favorite's of all time online.
I feel bad for Tom Cruise. Very sad.
LOL when he says Paul Haggis and you hear Jimmy do a Uncle Paul a second later.
This organization is Ruthless man! I have never heard of the Hole?! 😧
So is JW Watchtower CORRUPT Blood Guilty LIARS
This is true. I brought a book more than 20 years ago and they kept sending mail even to new addresses.
@@a.wodehouse2393 No thanks, I'm good!
Scientology obtains full public benefit recognition in the Netherlands
I live at the west end of Scientology Row on Hollywood Boulevard, which is about a mile long and is composed of a dozen classic 1930s buildings, Including the famous Knickerboker Hotel. About ten years ago, just for fun, I started composing a song called "I'm Clear!" and it's really good and I sing it loudly when I pass the Scientology buildings. No negative response...yet.
Tony says around 26:30 that The Hole no longer exists, but the two double wide trailer homes are still visible on both Google Maps and Google Earth. Maybe they've been re-purposed. If you check out Gold Base on Google Earth, it's rendered in 3D which makes for a slightly more detailed view of the buildings and grounds. It becomes much more apparent that the two double wides stand in stark contrast to the other buildings, some of which look positively palatial. Real estate, private investigators, "squirrel busters" ("squirrels" are ex-members who still use Scientology tools), lawyers and lawsuits. That's what Scientology does with its tax-exempt money. 20,000 members worldwide, dwindling by the day.
The IRS & FBI NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS
8:13 "for every Paul Haggis"
Jim: ""Heh?
nomar mar I caught that as well. Is that where Jim got uncle Paul from ?!?!
When so many people are reporting that people are held against their will and Shelly miscavage had been missing for years, why can’t law enforcement go in there?
"Were they stealing hats?" deserved a hearty laugh.
Excuse me? Scientologist don't need to steal!
Kudos to Tony for trying to keep the conversation lucid. The guy in the dark blue t-shirt was embarrassingly not funny. The best thing to render Scientology harmless is simply not to get involved in the first place. Scientology can re-invent itself as a plaything of the stars without doing too much damage, if wealthy people want to throw money at Scientology let them. In the meantime there needs to be a groundswell of public opinion against Scientology that is going to keep people well-informed about just how destructive it is.
Tom Graham and proud of not graduating high school
does anyone here think that tom and david are lovers?
i have thought this for years!
@GENERAL DISARRAY'S BOSS 83 such a shame for Tom Cruises ex wives!contracts for minimum x amountof years!biggest closet gay in Hollywood!
There are videos of them holding hands. I'm sure you can find them on Utube.
who knows what kinda sick shit goes on behind closed doors.
I saw an interview when Tom was making the race car film with Nicole Kidman that David couldn’t get a hold of Tom and was freaking the F out!!
I don't know if Tom Cruise is gay, but I think he's nodding that way, he marries women for publicity, for his image as an Action man but I think he prefers the company of men, there's something not right with Tom Cruise
great show - keep it up !
WE LOVE YOU TONY!!!!!
I escaped from the rehab called Narconon, in Harlingen, TX. It was all the same bullshit, based on scientology. I went in not knowing what the fuck it was and left with more stories of messed up shit than most crap other people have. It is all true, they are nuts... they make you pay to work there after you go through the rehab. If you do wanna get kicked out really fast, simply ask your case worker... "How do I get tickets to the mothership???" and within an hour you will be outta there. Never send anyone there it is all complete and utter bullshit. They know nothing about actually getting and staying sober. They simply are all about money, and wacked shit from a failed science fiction writer... a fat disgusting one at that.
I love how they perpetually say peoples names wrong throughout the entire interview even after being corrected
So rad truth serum about how crazy Scientology is. Again
I’m really liking this guy. Please don’t stop. Get them !!!! This cult is greedy and evil.
What I don’t understand is, WHY TELL THEM ANYTHING ABOUT YOURSELF??!!!
Tom Cruise and David MISScavage are in LOVE.
Interesting AF!
The difference between a Religion and a Cult is that: 1. A religion respects your rights and liberties to enter or leave a group, married who you want outside your religion, do not give money to your congregations if you don't want. 2. Being capable to develop your critical thinking, asks questions, doubts, without being criticized, punish, or pointing out. 3. You are respected on privacy, you have your private space, your own thoughts movements, secrets, 4. All human beings got the right to a family, even if members don't think the same or have the same religion. 5. You have the right of your own credo and consciousness.
Scientology is not a religion in Germany, France, and other countries, that has a law against cults.
If you have a weak character you can be conned by Scientology and I believe most of these victims are weak.
Jim and Sam are such awesome interviewers . Thank you for this interview 👌🏾👌🏾
“Awesome interviewers ”?? ..... they are rude and brash.🥺
Troll presumably. Dreadful interviewers!
Love the jack reacher book ad 😂
Miscavige told Tom Cruise's fake girlfriend "the ride the duck, LADY".
Why are the two hosts completely unable to properly pronounce Miscavige, despite Tony repeatedly saying it correctly?
Cos I think they are taking the piss out of him
Hi, keep good woork.
This is why people like Tom cruise and John travolta make me sick,all the sickening things that Scientology are guilty of and yet they turn a blind eye to it as they live in total ignorance because they put their own personal benefits before the tragedies and atrocities caused to families .
And today, August 30, 2022, the tax office rendered its decision: all activities of the Church of Scientology are to be considered beneficial to the public at large
So how is a church allowed to have a jail and imprison people.
Because of this evil cult, long ago I vowed to never watch a.movie or show that includes Tom Cruz .
Thx
Very interesting.