The Murder Of JonBenét Ramsey: Case Deep Dive With Guest Stephanie Harlowe - Podcast
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In this episode, we’re joined by Stephanie Harlowe to discuss the infamous unsolved murder of 6-year-old pageant queen JonBenét Ramsey.
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No one will ever be able to convince me that the parents had nothing to do with this. The "ransom note" is idiotic and shows how poorly they tried to cover this up.
And the fact that the father tried to go to a business meeting in Atlanta right after it happened, my theory is that the father was probably abusing her and it went too far that she died, and they tried to cover it up.
It's clear that she died at the hands of some one in that house it's mum dad or brother. Or a combination of them
I agree
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the ransom note is 100% Patsy Ramsey.
I NEVER comment but couldn't resist - two of my favourite podcasts merging into one to take a deep dive look at such a tragic case. I couldn't think of more compassionate and respectful people in this space to collaborate in such a way. Xx
ME TOO!
Same! So here for it!!
yes!!
Same!
OMG yes!!!
Two of the best true crime podcasters coming together is just perfection on coverage
She had toileting issues because she was being abused and she had infections etc and isssues with both front and back passage… it makes me so sad to think what JonBenet went through in her short life
Your brain was abused and you lost all cells
Yes. Same with Burke.
I was a bed wetter until age 9, my Gma (she raised me) would bully me and bring me to the doctor every other week making a huge deal about me “purposely wetting the bed” she and my sister would bully me and call me Peabody instead of calling me by name, the trauma from that portion of my life has haunted me. It’s really nice even now that that is two decades behind me to hear adults say it’s ok, this happens and these children need love. I know that’s a lot but it just shows your reach with your show, much love.
That’s horrific. I’m so sorry that happened. You didn’t deserve that, it was not your fault. 💔
Oh my gosh 🥺 I'm so sorry you went through that. That had to be so traumatizing. Jesus. I hope you have healed and you are doing better now. 🙏
I’m so sorry you had to grow up with that. 💗💗 I hope you’re doing better now you deserve love we all do
@@Nursegirlalexandra I'm so sorry, this is probably not the time or place for my comment.. but your username sent me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm dying laughing. Lmao
You didn't deserve any of that. I'm sorry you had to endure your family mistreating you. I hope you're in a better place now. Sending you my love 💕
Phone recording:
When Patsy said "what did you do?" She was talking to John but Burke is standing there with his parents answers his mom thinking she's talking to him. Hence the parents response "I/we're not talking to you". Patsy is blaming John not Burke.
Yea that a good thought
That would make soooooo much sense I never would have thought of that. Also explains why Burke would say, "What did you find?" because he's trying to figure out what happened-
Wow. Never thought of it this way. It makes much more sense now.
That’s a good interpretation
I thought the same thing. And Burke wanted to know what they found because he had smeared 💩 in JBs room and thought he was going to get in trouble
Anyone else think that, if John had been abusing JonBenet, having her room (or suite) so far away may have been by design? Less of a chance of getting caught, you know?
100% I thought this too
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Absolutely
Yes.
Down the stairs from the master suite from John's office went to near Jon Benet's room. Burke's room and the one John Andrew would use were downbthe far end.
Interestingly, JonBenet would often go down to sleep in Burke's bedroom.
Abused children....one way they can try tp keep an abuser away is bedwetting
Sure. Matter of fact I think this cracks the case
Why does no one comment on the fact they were so comfortable leaving their son alone in his room? Wouldn't you be worried for your other child? I would, unless I knew he was truly safe.
One thing I love about Kendall is how intentional she is with her word choices and how she frames things. You can tell she’s intelligent not just intellectually but emotionally as well. Thanks for being you, Kendall!
Totally agree. It is particularly notable in contrast to certain other styles of communication and hosting.
@@kyragreif 100%
so true. She's the best. She looks so relaxed, not "performing" or showing out something... she looks so more mature than her actual biological age. She's an awesome human being and it's delightful to hear her
Yes I totally got that too from this episode!
@@Jessprettypink I see it every video she does, she’s very consistent!
She was wetting the bed for a while, she had vaginitis, her eating habits changed. Poor baby girl must have been suffering a lot of abuse beforehand. This case sickens me so much.
The case always seemed sexually motivated to me rather than an accident or fit of rage, because of all the signs of sexual abuse leading up to her death + the method of strangulation is usually used is sexually motivated crimes
I strongly believe that John was likely abusing her for a while beforehand. So many signs point to long term sexual abuse, and John would be the most likely culprit. Its always possible they were involved in a bigger sex ring of some sort considering their connections.
The other option is she wet the bed, Patsy got too angry about it and hurt her. Then cue the cover up.
Either way though, I strongly believe she was being sexually abused. Possibly Burke as well considering her had similar behavior concerns.
100% agree! It’s the only thing that makes complete sense
@@art3misx2so I agree with you 10000% I have always believed he was letting his friends abuse his kids...all of them. They a had the bathroom issues and the fecal smearing by Burke is totally someone who was abused
@@sasukesbussy7101 Interesting. That’s probably the best argument I’ve heard on that side, and it might change my mind.
No one ever mentions how the note was left on a secondary staircase. If you're a stranger, you've never been in the house before you may not know that secondary staircase even exists also you wouldn't think to leave the note there because it might not be found, you'd probably leave it on the child's bed or the kitchen counter maybe, somewhere you'd want to be sure it's found right away
Intruder broke in after they left for the party, plenty of time to explore the house and plant the note. look up Lou Smit famous investigatpr who analysed this case
That's easy to figure out obvious someone knew the family well or family wrote the note super easy to figure out it's literally 1 or the other.
Tons of people came to the house for her parties. It could have been literally anyone who has visited or looked into the windows.
@@clancymanuel2932bullshits!!!
Good point. How would they know what staircase to leave the note
I will forever be convinced the father abused the WHOLE family (including Patsy and his previous wife and child). There are times we’re patsy just looks TERRIFIED of him and could explain her writing the note (at his instruction). You do oftentimes see the wife advertising the perfect life and perfect family are the ones just trying to convince others because the truth is so much worse
This is what I believe. I don’t think Patsy had any prior knowledge of what abuse was going on. I think she was forced to write the note so then she’d be considered an accomplice and couldn’t tell on anyone else.
Also its a huge allegation and this is just a theory but maybe there's a reason all the children had those bed wetting & behavioral issues...is something that can be linked to SA
Not saying john did anything but iirc there was no medical reason?
AGREED!!! TWO DAUGHTERS DEAD, UNDER HIS WATCH... 🧐
@@vicksta8875 one of them was an adult who died in a car accident but okay…
Similar to the menendez family
Omg seeing you three in the same room got me sooo hype! 🙌🏽
If only Derrick was there!!!
I’m so happy ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️🙏🏼
SAME!!! I clicked so fast LOL
omg Yess hattie. 🙌🏽 That would’ve been so great
Being there had me hyped!
Both kids had bathroom regressions…fecal smearing…bladder infection with discharge…I’m not an expert but all my gut instincts are saying both these kids were abused badly.
That's my first thought. Abuse. Idk if it's just sexual or physical or both but definitely sexual. Especially with her symptoms of discharge and infection "down there".
Agreed… it could be any type (or combination) of abuse, including emotional/psychological.
And his other child from previous marriage also....makes me think if he sexually abused his kids
Same as I thought xx
@@Witchygirl22 to be fair I did have infections as a young child, I remember my dad having to put cream on me and I was never sexually abused. So thats not necessarily an indication of sexual abuse.
Blaming Burt does not explain the chronic sexual assault and sexual nature of the crime . Not to mention that he himself shows signs of csa by deficating on himself regularly. Those poor kids lived in a torture house
It was speculation that it was sexual assault though. It could have been set up to appear it was, after the fact.
Unless Burt was the one chronically assaulting her. I swear something was off with that kid. As a kid hearing this case I thought the brother did it. As an adult I still feel the same. The fecal smearing could be a sign of mental illness. Schizophrenic often do it. Also he had hurt his sister before. I think the parents played that down as well.
@Rosie_Rue it wasn't "speculation" she literally had SCARRING in both her private areas meaning long term abuse. Not to mention the bed wetting and history of bladder/yeast infections.
@@danawilliams6051 statistically when young children act out SA it's because they are a victim themselves. Either way, Burke would be a VICTIM.
the children from the first marriage also showed signs of bathroom issues.
What really stuck out to me in the note is where it says ‘we respect your business but not the country you work for’. This makes me think John wrote it because it is such a self-serving ego-driven statement. The kidnappers are going to commend him in business in their ransom note??? I think not.
Patsy getting mad about the bed wetting makes me so angry. I’m a PreK teacher. I had a parent who would get mad when their child had accidents during nap. I finally started having the child change into a different outfit before nap and back to the original clothes after. I would then just wash the clothes that she had the accident in.
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That poor child. Thank you for keeping them a little bit safer. You're making a huge difference in their life just by doing that.
You are a saint.
Not all superheroes wear capes.
Patsy vehemently denied she was angry at the bed wetting and I believed her.
Vaginitis in a toddler is the biggest red flag. And I can't even think of a mother, after her child has died, writing a note mentioning "beheading" said child. Pure evil
I thought the same thing about a young child having that type of infections occur.
It’s a sign of sexual abuse and it was over looked
I will just say,
Patsy, her sister, her mother
They scrubbed that child clean often . Lots of soap. All over.
Soap shpuld not go near any human female's vagina. It upsetsnthe delicate balance and thrush will ensue. This is why femme hygiene products exist such as Femfresh.
Having said that,
Ive made my own series of videos on this; its definitely an impossible thing to accept, that JBR, PR, BR, or even JAR were not individually or collectively responsible for JonBenet's murder, let alone any suffering that cam before that.
One theory i have about the poop, is that the Dog was defecating in the house and Patsy wasnt cleaning it up, not saying sometimes it might have been from a child.
Patsy said in an interview, all of John's children wet the bed. That's interesting...it doesnt happrn in every family even once, let alone in a family to each of the siblings...with john being the common denominator.
JAR was obssessed with JB also.
@@Useeeerrrrr12344 yup big sign
Sorry...
Haven't watched the vid.
WOW!!
Your tragedy is mine.
The 'V' condition You speak of is horrendous!
Despicable.
I once saw a picture of the crime scene and the picture just showed her hand, but it made it so much more real for me because the hand was so small. It was a babies hand. And then it hit me just how young she was. Just truly tragic and I hope she will get justice one day
Just a baby🥺😔😥😭
she weighed 45 lbs -
47:49 “we’re not speaking to you” is Jon to Burke because it’s the ‘adults talking’, “what did you do” was Jon to patsy for calling, “what did you find” was Burke to patsy because he WAS awake and overheard the phone call and is trying to figure out what’s going on
Yes.
If this is the case than why would they assert so much that Burke was asleep the whole time .
@@joshfuller1962cuz kids talk.
Yes, the “What did you do,” is totally directed at Patsy rather than Burke, but the, “We’re not talking to you,” is for a couple of reasons. At Burke’s age in 1996, he was old enough to have been taught that you tell the police the truth. If John and Patsy told the police that he was asleep, they wouldn’t question him. If Burke isn’t questioned immediately, then John and Patsy have time to coach him. Sadly common in domestic situations, this makes sense. What also makes sense is that Patsy accidentally killed JonBenet and hid her body in the basement. John went down there and saw the body before coming back upstairs and asking Patsy what she did to which Burke asked his father what he’d found down in the basement.
There is no innocent father in this entire world who would go to a business meeting if their child died. Period.
Unless those people were involved with the cover up & he needed to stay in good graces, so the rest of the family didnt die ? Just a thought out loud.. but I agree with what youre saying 10000%
Yeah. Thought you were going on vacation, right, bud? Lookin sus.
That woman detective, the only one, said she knew who did it after looking into Jon's eyes.
Not that I think he isnt involved AT ALL...but to play devils advocate, I did go to work the day after my mom died cuz I couldnt stand to sit in the house and think about it. I know thats not a child, but I definitely can see some people cope by distraction or not dealing with it. But i do believe he was involved to some extent if not fully responsible
John Ramsey would.
I think the saddest part of this cases is that it would almost certainly be solved if the police handled the case correctly from the start
They could have been sex trafficking her through their home, letting their friends abuse her and that's why her room was on the other side of the house. One of them went too far.
Why would they let somebody into the house on Christmas evening when they had to get up at 5:30 am the next morning?
That's what I was thinking too!
It makes sense why they would have such a giant house
This has always been my theory.
@@parkcitystudios it mentions that they had an annual Christmas Eve party, didn't it? Also it could have been the dad who abused her and went too far, or the dad may have let the abusers in after hours for a few.
What if John had been abusing her, he ended up killing her (whether it was intentional/he was drunk, or if it was an accident), panicked and blamed Burke when he wakes Pat. She jumps to help cover-up to protect Burke. John’s cleared, lives happy ever after. He does seem the least affected long-term.
Wow that’s a plot twist. I haven’t even considered that theory, but it makes SO much sense. And would explain the ransom note written by Patsy. I think you are spot on with this Autumn!
To dig a little deeper why would Patsy (if she wrote the ransom note) choose the amount of John’s bonus? I always thought that was such a strange aspect of this case? Could it possibly be that she suspected John as the killer & was giving LE a clue that it was him using his bonus amount, idk it’s just so weird to me.
@@breemcbride8988 I think John was first of all telling Patsy what to write. I believe they put that amount in the RN to throw the BPD off by thinking it was someone who worked with John and maybe knew of the bonus. He stated in almost every interview by saying, they think it was someone who was angry at him or jealous of him. I believe that is why they used that foolish amount. Who the hell is going to kidnap a child from a wealthy family and risk being caught for cigarette and gas money?
@@freddie3206 The supposed intruder, according to parents, was in the house around 10 hours or so. Spending so much time in the house without drinking, eating, using bathroom, leaving not a single hear, not a trace of him/them!? This is so fishy! Both of them stick to the same theory.
I believe they cover up for Burke.
I have watched this case over the years and it’s been so confusing but the way you have all presented this has really given me such a better understanding of what really mostly likely happened. What a privilege to have you all together working through the timeline of this bizarre case. Thank you ❤️
every person who has ever heard of this case: pineapple and milk??
kendall, pregnant: it honestly sounds kind of good
Hahaha did she say that? I haven’t watched the whole video yet lol
Lmaoo
It could be.. pina colada vibes? Pineapple smoothie..
@@cailin5309 exactly!! its so good
I’ve always thought it sounded good too
Burke’s behavior as a child during the interview is more a sign of a turbulent childhood than being the perpetrator. When my ex’s mom died of cancer, his 9 year old sister was laughing, excited, playing, dancing, hyper. It was uncomfortable and a little creepy. But more a sign that her home life was erratic before the death. When kids aren't taught how to regulate their emotions at a basic level, grief and processing can look inappropriate, I think.
That is creepy, clearly not normal.
Agree with you. I’ve never bought the whole Burke being responsible scenario to be honest. I actually believe he was a victim of abuse in the home also, perhaps not to the extent jon benet was, or perhaps in different ways but I feel certain he is a child that has endured severe trauma. The bed wetting and faecial smearing are behaviours associated with child sexual abuse , i also wonder if he was perhaps a little jealous of his younger sister as she took up most of the attention and focus of the adults. Even if that attention is of the inappropriate type, as a child who has grown up around this type of behaviour, would simply not know any different.
Also, because a child’s understanding of death isn’t fully formed until about age 12, young children will inevitably grieve differently and flit between emotions more so than adults. They “live in the moment”, sad one minute and happily playing the next. Burke avoiding mention of his sister in the interview from 97 could also stem from him not being the type of kid to become emotional in front of people he doesn’t know very well.
I work with traumatized kids and they will look strangely normal when observed from the outside until they get triggered (or even just provoked) in a safe setting. Two wildly different presentations of the same child.
My 12 yo cousin was laughing hysterically at her dad's funeral.
@@makiroll218 it's very common, actually
to me it is so clear that the father did it and had connections to be able to get protection. JB was sexually abused chronically, injuries too harsh, he found the body, then tried to leave the state immediately after. Patsy helped him cover it up to keep the money and status bc she would lose her perfect little world if he went to jail and they lost their money. Burke was probably abused too, or is just an odd kid. But its the only theory that makes perfect sense too me, and it explains why JB had bladder problems bc she was probably in pain down there. But this case is so heartbreaking.
-- also may be stretching, but even some of the pictures of the family I noticed the fathers hand placement was a little odd. In the christmas photo his left hand is near her private area and kind of gripping her inner thigh if u look close. And also the military experience with being know how to tie a knot… theres no way burke knew how to do that.
@@googooit This is late at this point, but most people who suspect Burke may have accidentally killed her don't think he did the strangling or had anything to do with the knot anyway. Generally people think Burke may have caused the head injury and the garotte would have been done by John to cover up for Burke. Personally though, I tend to go between John abusing and then killing her or Burke with the parents covering it up. Either way - it's just very obvious John knows exactly what happened.
I also feel burke was being abused also. He's nine and smearing feces.
@@LadyBeyondTheWallwas the brother, parents covered up
As the sibling of a murdered child growing up with that overshadowing every aspect of your life you grow up awkward especially in social situations. I’m still to this day over 20 years later socially awkward because of how I grew up with that in my life. It sucks and I honestly still smile awkwardly and laugh when talking about my brothers murder cause it’s fucking awkward man
Also burka behavior isn’t abnormal I acted pretty much the same after you don’t really register how serious the situation is especially if you’ve been sheltered from real life life or death situations
exactly, that makes so much sense. it’s such a hard thing to grasp at any age, let alone when you’re young and it’s harder to process. i’m so sorry for your loss. i hope you’re doing alright now :)
He had no chance of a normal life. Before and after death being in his sisters shadow. Then being a suspect as an elementary school kid?
It's too much
I’m so sorry you live under that shadow- I truly feel so bad for you - I’m certain it’s been a very difficult life for you.
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The fact that the ransom time came and went with NO reaction from the parents, speaks volumes..
hearing that was insane to me.
John actually became very restless when the call didnt come
The note said Tomorrow
@@bethryan9077 but ‘they’ wrote the note in the middle of the night so it would have technically been tomorrow already.
@@ashleyrose2176 It's only from all the BS told about this case that you believe the note was written in the middle of the night. The perps brought the note with them in fact. This was a very Very well Planned crime. They knew the Ramseys were going away & the note would be found on the morning of the 26th.
One of the biggest red flags is that they refused to cooperate with police. Innocent parents of a child murdered by an intruder don’t refuse to cooperate with the only agency that can provide justice.
You can lawyer up and still cooperate, you can protect yourself and still cooperate.
Exactly. IF they believed the ransom note (which Patsy wrote) they would have stayed very much in contact with authorities, pushing the case constantly to get an answer.
How often do we hear families begging the police to investigate further? It makes no sense to keep distance for 5 months(!!!) from authorities. Unless you're involved.
They didn’t refuse to cooperate with police. Later on, much later on, they followed their council’s advice. The advice they paid them for.
What if law enforcement was focussed on you solely and was no longer actively investigating other people? They had spoken with police and they did again later with advice from their attorney. I don’t blame them… if police had enough they would have arrested them and the Ramsey’s are smart enough to exercise use their right to remain silent. Shoddy police work messed this case up. What police officer asks the victim/ perp to search the house? I believe the intruder theory
@@getreelproductions5737 I would still cooperate if someone murdered my baby girl in my house I would cooperate with police even if they thought I did it.
@@getreelproductions5737 a voice of reason amongst a bunch of gossips, all praise to you 🙏
For those that aren't aware, I wanted to mention that fecal smearing is often a symptom of autism spectrum disorder. Someone close to me was diagnosed with Asperger's and had this as part of her sensory integration issues for a short time when she was very little (ages 10 mos-2 years). I had always suspected Burke may have been on the spectrum, but I haven't gone over this case in several years, and I'm only at the very beginning so far... By the way, you guys are my favorite true crime storytellers, so this is such a treat!!! Gonna need MANY MORE of these... 😍😍😍
The Autistic community doesn’t use “Asperger’s” anymore. My son is on the spectrum, and he smeared his feces when he was very little and it was accidental and only occurred a few times when he was 2 years old. Smearing feces doesn’t have to have anything to do with being on the spectrum, it could be due to abuse, or for attention.
You are correct fecal smearing does happen on the autistic spectrum for some and it can be easy age.
Which Burke has. But it was drugs for my co worker. She did it after I had just cleaned the restrooms and left. It was the last thing I had to do. I got a call and texts messages about it. After everything happened.
@Rosie_Rue um, yes the do. I am part of that community. It is a type of autism. I am autistic and so is several family memwbers.
@@PonkelinaI never did it.
My heart goes out to all of the children in their family. There was clearly a lot of abuse going on for them to regress to going to the bathroom in their beds; and Jon Benet’s bladder infection with discharge and her room being on the other side of the home makes me think that her father SA her as well. 💔 I worry that this case won’t ever be solved unless someone finally decides to talk. This case has stuck with me since childhood. Rest in peace Jon Benet. 💗
if this was a poor family, this would have gone in a COMPLETELY, ENTIRELY different direction and the truth would have come out.
true
Definitely I say that about Madeleine McCann as well if they were not wealthy as soon as they were back in Britain their other children would go into care.
But do you believe she might not have ever been murdered had they lived a more modest lifestyle?
I literally just sent them a comment about success shaming the family for having a huge home and Rockefeller style Xmas’s. I found that to be a really uneducated sounding small conversation. I think I was more surprised hearing them sound negative about anyone really as I always feel they are smart respectful classy and just a joy. I’m not offended I just think they’re all smarter and better than that.
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Parents would be first to blame 👀
This is interesting, I think that maybe they’d have to be of middle economy because due police history, sometimes the police pay less attention to the poor since in their eyes they are less likely to be noticed yk
My two queens are together! Also congrats Kendall on the baby!
Agreed! The three queens of crime are these two and Ellenor Neal ♡
@@melanieresutek1403 ooo. I’ve never heard of her, Thanks for the recommendation
Yes !! Don’t forget Danielle Hallan !
And Danelle Hallan!
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@@melanieresutek1403 never heard of her but I'm going to check her out
Just my opinion: The dad sexually abused her. The mom physically abused her. The specific way the parents behave after the fact, I would guess that the mom was the one who snapped and killed her that night, and the dad told her she had to figure out a way to cover it up. I don’t think the brother was involved. I think he was probably being abused too.
Always thought it was weird how the 'kidnappers' left the note on the stairs, you'd think they'd leave it in Jonbenet bedroom.
Was, ss,, a
And how would they know to leave it on the exact stair case that Patsy took every morning to go into the kitchen to make coffee
@@jabellatv3240 your system of education must suck
@@jabellatv3240 do you belived that earth is flat?
I’d love to see you guys get back together to talk about Madeline McCan
Me too. That'd be awesome
Yessss !!
Who tf is Madeline McCain?
@@haileyprosser5256 - I did. I got a bunch of nurses and office managers. There was a Madeline McCann though. Maybe that was who you were talking about, in your ignorance!! lol
@@skinovtheperineum1208 woah, chill out. Spelling errors happen or it could have been autocorrect, & the fact you obviously knew who they were talking about yet still felt the need to be a passive aggressive dick is sad 👀
There was something far more sinister going on in this whole case. Money can buy ANYTHING and some will allow ANYTHING for money. Pretty little girl surrounded by dozens of rich men… not the first case we have seen. They were all sketch and hope “whoever” did this to this poor baby girl burns in hell. Listening to the autopsy report is heartbreaking.
On another note, so happy to have this collab! Love y’all all!
Exactly.
Preach.
This is what I think as well , so terribly sad 😢
In another documentary I saw, a mother of one of jonbenets friends remembered her talking about her “special Santa” was going to come visit her AFTER Christmas. The mother thought that was strange.
I think the dad was abusing her and/or they were grooming her to sell her to his rich pedophile friends
Rewatching because 3 of my favorite UA-camrs are together on this video!! 🎉
This is definitely a family coverup and the Ramsey's got away with it because they had the money to do it.
I literally could never express how excited I am for this entire episode. But three hours is amazing. I got about three hours left of work. And y’all are going to get me through it
Only two hours of work left now you’re almost there!!!!
Lol It popped up perfectly for my remaining hours of work and my commute!.
What do you do for work that you are able to watch/listen to this episode?
You're freeeeee! Hope this made the last few hours great 🙂
@@AmandaLeighS I ship out sleep apnea supplies. I don’t really get to watch I just popped my AirPods in and listen.
Why wasn’t anyone concerned with the fact that there was sexual assault in the past? Nothing adds up with this whole case.
I was also wondering why that was just a passing thought through this entire episode. That is a huge clue.
Seriously she literally got a bacterial infection and had stuff oozing out of her which is so rare In little girls that age it definitely was something going on with that family and I’ve thought the father did it especially him finding the body
Burks interview is pretty normal for a boy his age...him saying maybe they stabbed or hit her with a hammer is a boys brain making logical guesses as to how someone would murder a kid. And him telling this strange lady he wouldn't tell her his secrets is also normal. It was odd that he didn't have any sad or negative emotions about his sister's death only 13days later...but if he Is on the autism spectrum or has difficulty in bonding then that, too, makes sense.
Autistic person here, he's clearly autistic. We don't show our emotions the same way and we have trouble labeling them.
I will never say never with crime. They were finally able to give the Boy in the Box his name back. Now Joseph Augustus Zarelli has the one thing he should have always had.
“This wasn’t a police force that was used to dealing with murders” …. It’s still the police. It should be part of their BASIC TRAINING. I’m not used to dealing with murders but I know NOT TO CONTAMINATE A CRIME SCENE and let the FATHER search the house 🤦🏼♀️
Yes! "They're not used to murders" is not an excuse for poor police work. Also, giving Jon "busy work" thing is completely stupid to me. The police completely ruined this case from the start
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Yeah you just don’t get it buddy, law-enforcement did that on purpose because this is a Satanic cover-up from beginning to end.
I looked into the exact number of murders this particular department handled prior to Jonbenet. It's 1536. They had plenty of experience
All of what happened with the lingering friends and family...them giving John busy work and everything else? You know why it was done? Because the Ramseys are well off, well to do members of Colorado society at this point. The police did it to placate the family. They also never thought she was kidnapped they thought from the time of the 911 call this was all set up.
I think both Burke and JonBenet were being abused regularly. Jon is an extremely powerful man, and we know what powerful men are known for (i.e. Epstein). It’s weird that JonBenet and Burke were not the only ones having issues with wetting the bed, but also Jon’s older children. My only thought is, if Burke had nothing to do with it (and is also on the autism spectrum), it would be so incredibly sad how many people thought it was him (and discussed his behavior as “weird”). Especially if he were also a victim. No matter what, this case is tragic.
I agree with you. It always angers me the way Burke was treated by the media. Imagine dealing with the trauma of your sister being murdered, dysfunctional parents, everyone thinking your a murder and analysing your behavior. 😞 sometimes people forget these are real people
I’ve heard in other cases that children will start to wet the bed when they are being SA. Also that when it’s within the family more often then not more then one person knows. I think the father was a predator and that’s why he was so horribly cold about it. I think the brother was a victim too. I wonder if the olde children have made statements
I definitely think it was the dad. He always planned to use her for his own devices and even named her after himself. She was some type of plaything and a sacrifice.
Not sure we should equate all powerful men as scumbags predators.. ya there has been some seriously heinous individuals out there...most def concerning for sure..but I know men who have money and had some power too but they were the furthest thing from predators. They were simply just hard working men with goals and family on the mind. plus there is some equally messy ladies out there too Epstein partner in crime ) so is it fair to say all women in power are predators too.. they way it is worded sort of implies a blanket statement
100% agree with everything you said I couldn't have said it better myself
Being from Colorado, I would love to see this case get solved ! It’s so sad that her life got cut short. I hope one day they can get a break in this case !
Rest in Peace to JonBenet. Whatever happened that night had to have been horrific. My heart breaks for her til this day.
I enjoy listening to Kendall, her husband and each other individual podcasts!! And I also adore Stephanie’s deep dives on her own channel and with Derek! Omg so this is heavenly!!! I love super long videos or at least 60 min vids. That’s why I just listen to all of y’all because of the long videos
Me too! Yay! So excited!
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So excited about this! My 2 favorite true crime podcasts and channels !! I watch all of them all as soon as they post ❤❤❤
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22:46 Bed wetting can actually be a subtle sign of abuse, possibly indicating that the child doesn’t feel safe moving about the house. 😢
Or it can be genetic
The moment they said bed accidents and infections I instantly knew, that is one of the biggest signs of sexual abuse in children, it seriously pisses me off when even professionals over look this. Seriously if you’re a professional and over look this then your license needs to be revoked!!!!
3 true crime legends in 1 room. my heart can’t take this
I REALLY appreciate janelle’s opinion regarding Burke! Totally agree with her
100% agree! It’s so hard to judge the actions of a child. I can only imagine how overwhelming it must be, particularly if he had any coaching. I also hate the criticism he received as an adult since many people have trouble with public speaking (I see corporate professionals fumbling through simple PowerPoint presentations all the time lol).
Did you guys not hear that 911 call?? It’s so clear they were speaking to him! And one of them said to Burke- what did you do?? He did it. Cmon now.
@@amandastein1213 I don’t necessarily agree. It is VERY hard to discern what they are saying, and all it takes is one person to say “this is what they said” for other people to jump on the bandwagon and say “exactly, I heard that too”. It’s a classic case of people being influenced by what others told them to hear. My partner and I listened to it without knowing what other people have claimed, and we definitely didn’t pick up on that. It’s highly unlikely that someone his age had the capacity to commit a crime in that fashion.
@@amandastein1213 I was referring to his interview with the psychiatrist. The real one, not Doctor Phil
@@kristenleigh1987 can you put the time where janelle talks about this? Sorry I must have zoned out
So hard to pin this on any single family member: the pineapple and train track marks point to Burke, the ransom note points to Patsy, and the fact that John brought out the body from the basement points to him... But nothing points to an intruder that's for sure.
Nothin points to you having brain cells
I know it sounds messed up, but I've been saving this video for a bad day and oh man, it did not disappoint. Would love to see you guys collaborate more, you have fantastic chemistry.
That they sent Burke to stay with friends is what makes me think there is no way he did it and they were covering for him. They would have kept him close to them and not wanted him alone with anyone else in the days immediately following.
I never thought about it from that angle. Also the first time I’ve heard he wasn’t with them in those first hours. My bet is on jealous mommy dearest. Maybe John finished it out and they never talked to keep each other safe? We’ll never know. I think a lot of what happened died with Patsy.
But also if the parents did something then he mustve heard or seen something so if he did it he would know he’d get in trouble. But The fact that JonBenet was raped (which I really dont want to think a child would rape his own sister) makes me think Burke was also sexually assaulted and could have been threatened if He heard or saw anything. So I don’t know
A child that young is a loose canon. They may be trained to stay quiet, they may even be brainwashed, but the parents have no guarantee he would not speak to the friends. So unless these friends are involved in this as well, I agree. There is more holes than things that make sense for Burke to be the perpetrator. All you have to believe to think he didn’t do it is for Patsy to have said, “I’m not talking to you” to John and then Burke, being confused, asked what was happening. And he knew nothing more than that.
Besides, the rate of an 8 year old abusing their sister without both of them being abused by an outside adult is incredibly minuscule.
And what 8 year old knows what a garrote is and how to use it? Because she was not dead, only unconscious before the garrote was used. Even if Burke knocked her out, whoever assaulted her and tied the garrote are the ones that hold the bigger crimes: murder and sexual assault of a minor.
I’ve never thought about that but you’re right. You never know what kids will tell people so I don’t think they would have risked it so soon if Burke knew what happened. Another thing is, if you really think someone is out there targeting your family for kidnapping/murder would you let your other child stay at another house away from you? I don’t think so.
Yeah, Burke didn't do this and I really can't people who think he did seriously.
I love how at the beginning Kendal and Josh were saying “when we have a kid we’re not doing that.” Knowing now she’s pregnant, was just kind of a cool moment. Congratulations again.
ahh same, i love her talking about it! makes me so excited :)
Congrats
Watching this at midnight and just realized it's JonBenet's birthday 😢 she was only a couple of weeks younger than me. Happy Birthday sweet girl, may you finally find peace 🕊
Awe Kendal, you n Steph are my favorite and the best at what you do! Your style and personalities shine through your compassionate works in giving back in paying it forward providing awareness and support for victims of crime , keep being you! Josh your a lucky guy!
I always thought it was interesting that the ransom letter was “placed” on the back stairs and not the main set of stairs. The perpetrator would’ve had to know that Pasty and John would come down on that set of stairs and not the main set at the front of the house. You would assume that since the perpetrator would’ve accessed JonBenet’s room from the main staircase, that is where they would’ve left the note.
Awesome point !!!
I have never heard anyone mention this. Good point.
Okay you should be an investigator
Patricia Ramsey's behavior was odd,to say the least.
The placement of the ransom note. The note being written on her tablet, using her pen. Those being returned to their proper spot.
Her still being dressed from the night before. Absolutely no way did she get up and dress in party clothes for their trip. Nobody does that. She then deliberately wears an outfit for a media interview that she had worn on a previous interview to show that she does indeed wear the same clothes twice. Why would she be concerned about that? That would be the last thing I would be thinking of if my child had been brutally murdered.
Not hovering over the phone when it was time for the ransom call.
Her saying she caused JonBenét's death by using purple ribbon on the Christmas tree.
The pineapple. The tablespoon used to eat the pineapple rather than a teaspoon.
The flashlight.
Not excluding her as the author of the note.
These are just the ones I can think of at the moment. Every time I begin to think she didn't have anything to do with JonBenét's death, I always come back to those. Maybe Patricia didn't have anything to do with it, I don't know. But these things are concerning.
Exactly but also who would leave it on the stairs to begin with? Why not on the kitchen table or counter?
Ok.I never knew that John had older kids who had bed wetting issues. I’m side eyeing him at this point, because if it’s not a medical issue, abuse is a real possibility
People can say oh kids get UTis but including the chronic vaginal trauma definitely points to sex abuse. Definitely blaming John.
I agree with both of you. I think John was sexually abusing all of his kid's. It's heartbreaking that little baby girls murder will probably never really know what happened to her.
@@corinnegivens8547 Yes, I believe Burke was a victim too. That would explain a lot of his behavioral issues.
Or, neglect. I have 2 people close to me that have had bed wetting issues with their children and it was an attempt to get more attention. They were not doing it on purpose, per se. Meaning, they didn't wake up and intentionally pee the bed. It was a subconscious action based on their needs/wants.
Or it really is just a medical issue that runs in the family. Personal experience here. My ex-husband as a child was a bed wetter and all three of our children were as well. None of them were SA’d. I can absolutely attest that my children never were because we don’t do sleepovers until the teen years and they only stay with their father and my mother. My youngest just stopped at 10 and my oldest was 12 when he stopped. I don’t know whether or not the Ramsey‘s are monsters but I’m not willing to say the children with bedwetting issues are SA’d.
I think the family was so rich and so far removed from normal life they didn’t even KNOW how a real ransom note would look, everything they know would be from media definitely not personal experience.
This was really good, y’all should join forces again it’s a great dynamic here.
During the accidental coverup conversation - my first thought was that it WAS a coverup but they needed a way to explain the signs of sexual abuse. If they didn’t bring a third party in to the story then the sexual abuse would be tied to someone in the family.
Not necessarily. They wouldn't know how or where she was SA'd.
that always confused me and i could never get past it but this literally makes so much sense
And utis and vaginitis causes trauma to the vaginal walls.
The sexual abuse is not related to the killing imo
Bingo
The sexual assault could have happened at the family party … prior to coming back to the house… the molestation & murder **could be** two separate incidents
I totally agree with the man with his argument/discussion about Burke.
I’ve always thought about this too. The assault the night of and the long term sexual abuse could have been independent from the murder itself.
GOOD POINT
True, but she did have vaginitis before and other indicators of long term abuse that could rule out the one-time molestation. I do believe someone was frequently abusing her. It could be several, honestly.
@@taytaysinger I think Patsy's punishments for jonbenet's bed wetting may have something to do with it. The trauma and the vaginosis.
The witness said she'd take her to the bathroom to punish her.
As a Colorado native this story always gets me. I love the collaboration on this case!! Justice for JB!
I always come back to John. I wont discount burke but I always come back to the chronic abuse and bathroom regression. I've always thought that maybe burke interrupted something between john and Jon-Benet in the basement and then john accidentally went too far and patsy helped him cover it up. I'm not sure Burke could have done it himself but its possible his strange behavior came from knowing something more about what happened or even his own potential abuse.
olive677, Wouldn't Patsy be stupid to cover up for her husband if she knew John killed JonBenet? They say when kids get murdered the parents usually get divorced. they stayed together until Patsy passed.
As a teenager, I was a nanny for a rich family in New Jersey (the husband was an investment banker on Wall Street). The house had 50 rooms and was about 20,000 square feet. I would get lost in there. I had a whole apartment to myself within the house, with a kitchen and large living room. In any case, they looked good, and “should” have been happy, but there weren’t. At all. Money does NOT buy happiness.
I bet you have some good stories!!!
Spill the tea, sis!
Why were they not happy?
Yes, please tell us.
Omg more
Wait. That day the Ramsey’s were supposed to fly to Michigan. John’s oldest son & his wife were already on a flight to meet them there to celebrate the holidays together. During their layover, they found out that JonBenét had been “kidnapped” and was missing, so instead of flying to Michigan, they got onto a flight to Colorado. BUT, now John is saying that he needed to fly to Atlanta for an important business meeting?!? That doesn’t make any sense, considering his entire family was supposed to be on a plane to Michigan at that very moment.
Definitely suspicious 😒
Exactly & John never said that at all. These aholes just make up more BS for views, meaning $$. They also repeat the BS told about this case for over 25 years, & counting. John's eldest son wasn't married. He, being John Andrew & his sister Melinda & her boyfriend were to meet the Ramseys at Minneapolis airport that day, then all were to head to the Ramsey's holiday house in Charlevoix for a 2nd Xmas gift-giving.
That ransom note is absolutely ludicrous
I started watching this to get info on the case but realized pretty quick this podcast is really to give the creators’ opinions and judgement
Jon was saying,”We are saying anything to police” I think Patsy was mad at Jon for what has happened and said, “What did you do?” Knowing he must have done something. Or maybe she knew and was just saying that out of shock. Burke overheard, not knowing what is going on. He looks to his mom and asks, “What did you find?” He probably just walked up. That’s my take on the 911 audio.
I think so too. It's possible that the parents were talking about the basement/ referring to it in conversation and Burke was curious. Maybe his parents kept going down there & wouldn't let him go there. Which would be odd for Burke because he was allowed to play in basement normally (he had toys down there), so it makes sense he's asking "what did you find"?
“What did you find” actually supports Burke not doing it.
Wow what a great take! I think you are onto something!!
And the “we’re not speaking to you right now” could be a get-out-of-our-faces thing.
We're trying to cover something one or both of us did, kid. We don't have time for you, shut it.
@@USTOMPORYODEL that could be true too! “Oh it’s you. Go away. Go to your room and stay there.”
I find it super suspicious that all of johns kids wet the bed, which is common amongst children that were sexually abused. Definitely makes me believe that John was doing something to his kids.
It is usually the case
The fact that it wasn't just happening to jonbenet leads me to believe John himself was the one doing it to all of his children, instead of some ancillary character involved in the child pageant scene
Yes!! In my field of work that’s definitely a red flag for sexual abuse and or any other traumas.
Thank you yes it is sus.
I don't know anything about child trauma psychology but my mind went straight to this as I heard that 😭 just kinda makes sense
Listening to these people criticizing the naming of their kids and why they live in such a big house is just crazy 🤦♂️👎
When it comes to her wetting the bed I’ve credited it to her possibly being s*xually abused. Even before hearing the autopsy report :( it’s so heartbreaking.
Bed wettest sleep deeply. Original det. felt she wet her bed. They know her clothes were changed. Maybe she fell head first on tub or a table. They didn’t want to take her to emergency. Bc of abuse
I also think it’s so weird how she was laid with her favorite blanket. People who don’t know that , wouldn’t have gone out of there way to do that. It shows that someone cared for her even when they killed her.
That's a great point
Maybe she had it with her in the bed when they took her?
I think it was patsy. That put the blanket over her.
It seems as if it's someone who knew them if it was an intruder.
I think the head damage made poor Jonbenet unresponsive. The later, "actions" to her person were done to disguise previous trauma. The garrote was a twisted mercy, not for thier daughter, but for their image
The long term vaginal trauma also takes me back to the diagnosis or “suggestion” of vaginitis which I am not a pediatric nurse but I would think that is fairly rare in kiddos. UTIs maybe because of not wiping correctly and bed wetting also lines up with sexual trauma and stress. Just so so sad.
u can get bacterial vaginal infection from not wiping correctly etc its just about bacteria being able to enter
This is sooooooo sad. She was so young and didn’t deserve to be exposed to such evil. I’m crying because they think she will never get justice 😭😭
Bedwetting is also a sign of sexual abuse and the similar bedwetting in her older brother and sister make me worried for them also.
Yes. Bed wetting (in both males and females) and fecal smearing in males are VERY common signs of sexual abuse. So is vaginitis in a small child...
Makes me wonder what (the common denominator) John was doing to his children....
Beyond sad. Poor sweet girl.
You guys have done such a good job covering this case. I thought I knew a fair bit about this case until I watched this. Amazing work!
This is my favorite true crime collab ever.
Burke seems to be a clear reflection of the parents lack of emotion and connection to him... I don't think he acts that way because he did it but more so from being the holder of these massive family secrets at such a young age... If you tell a 9 yr old to keep a secret , they'll literally go and tell the next person they see. He knew and understood very clearly what he could and could not say, that is a learned behavior....
He also avoided answering what was in the bowl of pineapples and milk when shown a clear picture of the bowl and when it’s known he loved to eat that. That tells me he knew not to talk about that.
I was thinking if he was acting unbothered by his sisters death it may just be because he's mimicking his parent's behavior.
I agree 💯. I don’t understand how people don’t get that.
@@jizy06 Yes! how many times the child Psychologist had to ask him about the bowl of pineapples before he finally said. Very suspicious. Also Patsy saying she did not know how the bowl of pineapples and milk got on the table. She said she did not put it there but her fingerprints and Burke's were on the bowl. Suspicious as well.
The real clincher for me is that she didn't die of the head trauma, but of strangulation 30 min - an hour later. In other words, they thought about taking her to the hospital but realized they'd probably get in trouble, so they finished the job. In his latest interview John expressed his concern over clearing the family name. In other words, he's not really interested in justice for JonBenet, he just wants people to stop thinking it was him.
The coroner states trauma to head came after death (no swelling of tissue, leaking of blood - dead). Plus, petechie, scratches on her neck shows she was alive and THAT is cause of death. Hit came afterwards.
I’m sorry but I have a really hard time believing any parent would do this. You see your child badly injured your first instinct is to get an ambulance or take them to the er. Not finish the job or strangle them just to make yourselves look less bad. Obviously anything is possible but very highly doubt it.
That wound was fatal
@@yogibear1062 well if that was the case theres no way Burke did it
@@alleycat616 have you not seen all the homicides committed by parents?
I love that you guys did a video together 😊😊😊I hope you do another one at some point.
Also I've listened to different versions of this case and each time no matter who covers it, the parents know more then they lead on
“My five year old sleeps in bed with us”. 👀 I literally do not understand how people do this. How the fuck do they get any sleep
I watched this days ago but just thought of it on my commute to work - what if Jon Benet’s room was across the house because John was sexually abusing her and Patsy knew but wanted to separate herself from it? I can’t think of any other reason to be that far from your child…
I had that thought and it makes my stomach turn.
Abusers isolate their victims, I think this is the case too and there's no way Patsy the homemaker and housewife doesn't know what's going on in her own house.
I said the same thing!
The semen found in her underwear didn’t match Jon or Burke.
That makes more sense than just not being concerned for her safety
Josh YAAAAS!!! In reference to the ransom letter, who says bring an "attache"?? Someone who loves french lifestyle???? Or maybe someone who names their daughter JonBenet trying to sound French??? 🤔🤔❓❓
They even used the accent mark over the e..and accent markings are over the e in jon benet's name..a lot of Americans don't use those markings.
good point 😉
In the 89’s and 90’s it was NOT unusual to her “attaché” as well as brief case.
@@amandarothstein4481 is there a word missing? Can you clarify please?
My two favorite true crime channels coming together is a dream come true!
Omg YES!!!!! A COLLAB IVE BEEN WAAAAITING FOR!!!! 🥰🥰🥰 how did I MISS THISSS?!?!
Here are my thoughts:
- Jon Ramsey ran with a tight knit, wealthy and powerful crowd and made his money in more ways than just being a business man. Epstein was a “business man” too.
- Jon took JonBenet out for a “visit” with one of his friends and it went too far.
- Patsy was threatened and coerced into writing the ransom note which is why she was so adamant she didn’t write it - in her mind she didn’t.
- She couldn’t bring herself to accept the reality of the situation. She’s a pro at disassociating. (Look into her upbringing and you’ll understand why)
- The Ramseys knew what kind of pull they had in the community and Jon probably had some buddies in the local law enforcement that owed him some favors.
- Burke is a kid on the spectrum who’s went through traumatic abuse. Whatever JonBenet was getting, he got too.
This is my thoughts too! It just had to be jon Ramsey who was responsible for this. Hearing the extent of her injuries, the SA, and the garotte being the cause of death.. and the 911 call when patsy thinks she hangs up, I don’t know why, but I do not hear a child’s voice. I just hear patsy saying “what did you do?!” and I think she is talking to Jon. J think Burke really was in bed the whole time.
I think u could be onto something g
This is mostly my line of thinking, thank you for being so articulate.
This fits, too, with Jon "putting her to bed". I'm torn on if Patsy knew about the SA going on... She was definitely told to write the note, I think on the pretense that she would be protecting Burke.
I agree with this theory 100%
Completely agree
CHRONIC sexual abuse… to me this means it’s happened multiple times and over a length of time. So that would make me think it has to be someone close to her and it’s a very good chance this is the person that killed her. The family seems to have covered it up, so I would make the assumption that it has to be a family member and supposedly there were only three other family members in the home. The father tried to leave shortly after and the discrepancy of him seeing her before the light was even on makes me think it was him.
I think it’s Burke who abused and killed her that why the mom was head on the phone saying what did you do while he was in the room
I was thinking about them saying a about the chronic SA as maybe there was scarring from frequent UTI and/or yeast infections from having poop on herself from not wiping well... It's possible, isn't it?
I really believe the dad was too distracted to even notice he had kids, much less, abuse them.
@@bunch_o_racket I think you have a good point
@@bunch_o_racket no that would not cause scaring that indicated sexual abuse.
Yep! People also need to understand that beyond infancy, fecal smearing or playing with feces in some way is a big red flag that a child is being sexually abused. And kids who are sexually abused sometimes act out those experiences through play or games with other kids… say… a sibling. 💔
Idk how i missed this being posted but it literally just made my day to watch y’all together- definitely need to do another with Derrick in the mix! Love u guys!
I don't know who did it or for what reason but it is beyond obvious that the family knew what happened and tried to stage an abduction to cover it up. There's no foreign faction or random intruder.
It’s very odd they’d put a small child on the other end of the house. And I would never be comfortable with my child having a balcony off of their bedroom. No way.
I'm wondering how the houses were made during that time. The only thing I can think of is because they were so well off. That feeling of invincibility and not thinking something bad will happen.
This! I don’t even let my cat on the balcony without supervision, and she’s got way better reflexes than a human child
When my daughter was born we lived in a double wide trailer. Master bedroom was at the back end and then the only bedroom big enough to be the nursery,was at the front end that faced the street. We lived there til she was 2.5 and she never slept in that room once!
I just wasn't comfortable being that far from her,or her being that close to the street. No way she would have been as far from me as Jon Benet was from them 😞
Unless you want her far away from the master bedroom so you can abuse her with less people hearing?
@@krispie2707 exactly. Or you aren’t very connected to or worried about your children to begin with.
This is easily the best cross over EVER. literally my two fav Crimers together in one video. I’m screaming shitting and throwing up😭😭🤍
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@@Rick_Cleland keep ya eyes to yourself. Only time you rich is in your sleep goofy
I’ve watched many docs on this and this podcast is by far the best in depth analysis I’ve seen- thank you
There had been a snowfall of approximately 2" the night of JonBenet's murder, but there were NO FOOTPRINTS or tracks of ANY kind in the snow when the Boulder Police arrived, something later confirmed by both the Police, neighbors and Detectives arriving early on the scene.
The Photos of the Ramsey's house and surrounding grounds used in the recent CourtTV, MSNBC and A&E specials at that time were taken two days after the murder, not on the morning of the 26th as they attempted to portray. Snowfall is typically gone completely within three days, in the Denver/Metro area.
I think all the symptoms they listed Jon Benet of having - bed wetting, vaginitis, sinus issues, etc. - are sometimes signs of abuse :(
Just curious, but how are the sinus issues related to abuse?
@laura ragsdale You are absolutely correct.
@@SJ-ni6iy I am just going out on a limb here but my thinking was that it could be "cross-contamination" from the bacteria from the vaginal infections.
I think so too, and if there was an accident and JonBenet got hurt, they wouldn't want to call ambulance if medical professionals would find out about the abuse.
@@jenuh11 ok I was just wondering, thanks.
So we established that Benét is just a fancy French way of saying Bennet. And then in the ransom note they write attaché. A fancy French way of saying bag. Coincidence?
Nope. Not at all.
It’s hardly a link.
I noticed that too and thought they were about to bring it up, but I guess not.
An Attaché is an open sided bookshelf
@@laurachristensen3201 The word "attaché" can also be used to refer to a bag, usually a briefcase.
Omg my favorite UA-camrs collab?!? I’m so excited for this. Pls do this again. I’m upset I haven’t found it earlier.
I'm wondering if the mother/father intentionally put her on the other side of the house so that the s/a abuse could occur without anyone being able to hear it. Who let's their youngest child sleep alone that far away...
I wouldn't be surprised if they let their friends abuse her also
I don’t want to defend Burke because I have an inkling he did something, but as a child my older sibling committed suicide and my siblings and talked about it in a cavalier way because we had no idea how to process something so traumatic at such a young age. You don’t really under the concept of death and the ramifications it has at that age. Or at least I didn’t (i was 8 at the time)
No, you are 100% right. There are things worth looking at with Burke, anger issues being one, but people seem to forget that children are not just little adults. They think about things differently. And different kids react differently.
@@marythecontrarian Burke did Not have Any anger issues