Jean Luc Rouge once said "Kani Basami is only dangerous because of uke's reactions." Sensei Shintaro's knee locking up as Sensei Brian puts in the hook is a nice detail.
@LRK20 I watched your example about a dozen times. I am a medical professional, and it’s obvious to me exactly what happened. Yamashita’s foot turns sideways as he attempts to block the throw. As such, his lower leg stays on the mat as his upper body folds down. Clearly why the leg broke. I still contend that the majority of injuries from kami basami are due to tori rather than uke.
@@Mtripp005 you mean to say the scissor action alone snapped his bone like a terrible shearing action? How strong do muscles need to be for such force? Is it an abductor or hamstring responsible for the break?
I've watched several videos on UA-cam and it seems that when kani basami is applied as a defensive/reversal technique , when the leg is trapped , it's less dangerous and more effective. When it's used as an attack , the attacker's weight combined with speed causes injuries. It is really a beautiful move when done right.
it dangerous when leg at back drives on knee from behind causing knee to collapse and due knee blocking partly the collapse and calf bone gets broken. And there is no safe way to do it. in training on unresisting opponet there are but in match both players are in motion and details are not that controllable
Not true. Saw a gnarly kani basami at a BJJ club that snapped someone’s tibia in half, and it was defensive (countering a single leg). Sounded like someone had fired a gun, seriously felt like throwing up just seeing/hearing it. Though granted that the path back to healing/training and long-term impact weren’t as bad as they would have been if it had been knee ligaments, it was a pretty gruesome spectacle.
@@henrikg1388 was banned in 1980s after a leg was broken during competition using this technique improperly. There is a video online of the event and you can hear the crack. I dont even recommend training this technique - there is a reason a lot have been left out in modern sport judo compared to kodokan judo. Many dont know that punch and kicks were included in the old judo variant.
It gets real technical when you talk about the anatomy of why it's so dangerous. Mostly if the weight is going backwards and/or the knee is not in front of the foot, it's generally safe. But you see alot of people not understanding the mechanics who attack the knee from the front. Yeah it will eventually put them on their back but only after the body cant fall forwards anymore and the knee has been pried apart
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Very dangerous technique that also opens you to be suplexed. This technique is legal in Sambo, but only if your attacking leg goes over the waist of your opponent, they also do a variation of rolling o guruma to get you into a kneebar.
The reason Kani basimi is so dangerous is because jerks throw it against ankles and knees. That is kansetsu nage and the person doing it should be adjusted in the locker room. Best in the shower. This version is safe and the opening for the leg lock perfect. Thanks guys.
Look similar to Scissors Takedown, while Scissors Takedown seems advance. My martial teacher Silat focus on shoulder rotation to create torque on my fix posture leg
It is. The single leg variation allows for greater control also - rather than just throwing body weight into the attack, you have a tight grip on the upper body and the post hand which help
In my karate school we would practice this move very often. We were more csideways with our partner though. Ours was more like the version Cung Le was known for in his fights. Obviously we never used it in sparring, we would have work on the technique.
Hello! How would I go about avoiding injury, if someone is trying to use the kani basani on me? I heard that I should "roll with it" but I have never practiced defending against it.
I often find that the more dangerous a technique is the greater the application in a self-defense situation. Although this technique has a rather high risk-high reward if applied correctly. Otherwise, you leave yourself vulnerable to attacks if you miss or you mess this up.
saw a clip of a guy almost breaking his opponents leg with the scissor takedown, and i do not really see a difference between his and your technique, sooo can you please tell me how to avoid breaking my opponent's legs?
I know it's been a long time, but i think the main difference is when you go for the second leg. If you just jump for it, you'll end up bumping your partner's knee with your hip, loading your bodyweight's inertia on their leg. Whereas in this demo, he is putting his weight on the arm that's on the floor. Once the legs are in place he shifts his weight backwards and finishes the takedown.
It's a not self defense technique if you put the backguards to the opponent, maybe you could break the ancle but if the opponent has a knife you are dead.
Are you holding a black belt in both arts now? Cross training is the best. My sensei has two and a half days for tachi waza, one day only newaza and one day mix of both. Best split in my opinion.
No disrespect meant to anyone, but I really don't understand what a judoka of Shintaro's caliber has to learn from a BJJ guy. Like seriously, his newaza skills really ought to suffice.
Not anymore. Too many guys snapping knees and ankles. There's no way to respond to it properly. It's too fast and if done correctly will result in an instant ippon or your fuck the guy's leg up. It sucks for the person who gets it.
Yeah no thanks. But it’s good to still practice these banned techniques to keep them alive. I just feel in all forms of grappling it should be banned. Especially in a tournament setting. Too many people using it badly and too many people not expecting it and getting injured.
@@pauloomss good to know but not really use out of respect for your partners health. Self defense situation? Go for it. UFC is weird they allow this but ban other stuff that Pride allowed soccer kicks etc elbows coming straight down. I liked pride better because it was more stuff allowed kind of deal.
@@vindicatedafi daki age is a slam? Adcc only allows slams out of submissions. But if you ever train bjj it is pretty simple to avoid being slammed by either grabbing a leg, stretching the opponent's hip or letting go. So you shouldn't really be doing stuff that let's your opponent slam you.
I’m sorry this was a terrible technique of the scissor sweep. Back in the day this sweep was allowed in judo but thrown out bc it was very dangerous. I’m happy to see the cross training.
Great sambo technique. Not well explained by this bjj guy. He missed.or doesn't understand some very important intrinsic aspects of the actual takedown.
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Jean Luc Rouge once said "Kani Basami is only dangerous because of uke's reactions." Sensei Shintaro's knee locking up as Sensei Brian puts in the hook is a nice detail.
💯 the resistance reaction to the entry definitely compounds the likelihood of injury!
I don’t believe that. The danger is where tori sets the lever.
@LRK20 I’m at a loss to understand what gets hurt if the joint isn’t locked. With all due respect, please explain what the injury would be?
@LRK20 I watched your example about a dozen times. I am a medical professional, and it’s obvious to me exactly what happened. Yamashita’s foot turns sideways as he attempts to block the throw. As such, his lower leg stays on the mat as his upper body folds down. Clearly why the leg broke. I still contend that the majority of injuries from kami basami are due to tori rather than uke.
@@Mtripp005 you mean to say the scissor action alone snapped his bone like a terrible shearing action? How strong do muscles need to be for such force? Is it an abductor or hamstring responsible for the break?
Thanks for having me!!
This is a very cool technique. Thanks for showing!
I've watched several videos on UA-cam and it seems that when kani basami is applied as a defensive/reversal technique , when the leg is trapped , it's less dangerous and more effective. When it's used as an attack , the attacker's weight combined with speed causes injuries. It is really a beautiful move when done right.
It is a banned move for a reason.
@@galahad5658not in bjj
It is 1000% banned in bjj
it dangerous when leg at back drives on knee from behind causing knee to collapse and due knee blocking partly the collapse and calf bone gets broken. And there is no safe way to do it. in training on unresisting opponet there are but in match both players are in motion and details are not that controllable
Not true. Saw a gnarly kani basami at a BJJ club that snapped someone’s tibia in half, and it was defensive (countering a single leg). Sounded like someone had fired a gun, seriously felt like throwing up just seeing/hearing it. Though granted that the path back to healing/training and long-term impact weren’t as bad as they would have been if it had been knee ligaments, it was a pretty gruesome spectacle.
Funny to see you wearing a black belt instead of red.
I'm glad to see some techniques that aren't just for judo.
Well, it is a judo move and the name is from there. It has been banned from competition since the 70s, I think.
@@henrikg1388 was banned in 1980s after a leg was broken during competition using this technique improperly. There is a video online of the event and you can hear the crack. I dont even recommend training this technique - there is a reason a lot have been left out in modern sport judo compared to kodokan judo. Many dont know that punch and kicks were included in the old judo variant.
@@alexzan1858 really? Striking and grappling in a kimono? So judo was like sambo? HFS
@@alexrojas7913 Sambo is a new sport, its based on judo/jiujitsu/muay thai etc afaik
It gets real technical when you talk about the anatomy of why it's so dangerous. Mostly if the weight is going backwards and/or the knee is not in front of the foot, it's generally safe. But you see alot of people not understanding the mechanics who attack the knee from the front. Yeah it will eventually put them on their back but only after the body cant fall forwards anymore and the knee has been pried apart
Silat guys tend to use kani basami a lot but theirs is a little different, perhaps that's why you rarely see shattered knees there
Because they dont do it super close. So its a bit safer
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Appreciate it!
This technique is common in Silat, we call this technique "guntingan"
ou cool
Super clarity! Thanks for the superb examination and technical execution
Very dangerous technique that also opens you to be suplexed.
This technique is legal in Sambo, but only if your attacking leg goes over the waist of your opponent, they also do a variation of rolling o guruma to get you into a kneebar.
Amazing, Amazing!! Great presenters, thank you both.
What a great tradeoff, 2 masters!
The reason Kani basimi is so dangerous is because jerks throw it against ankles and knees. That is kansetsu nage and the person doing it should be adjusted in the locker room. Best in the shower. This version is safe and the opening for the leg lock perfect. Thanks guys.
Adjusting a guy in the shower huh? Doesn't sound sexual at all...
@@biscobisco1882 and yet you sound homophobic
@@biscobisco1882 but you sure sound homophobic.
Getting adjusted in the shower? I would like that actually 😂
Not if you got the shit kicked out of you by several irate coaches. The shower was used because you were sure the target wasn’t armed. @@blueheart9873
Look similar to Scissors Takedown, while Scissors Takedown seems advance. My martial teacher Silat focus on shoulder rotation to create torque on my fix posture leg
It is. The single leg variation allows for greater control also - rather than just throwing body weight into the attack, you have a tight grip on the upper body and the post hand which help
Kani Basami means Scissors Throw
Brain's channel is exceptionally well organized with playlists.
just discovered your channel, loving it
Very nice variation of the Kani Basami or Scissors Takedown Throw. A little different from the traditional judo version. Osu🙏🏼👍🏼❤️
Or even the many variations found in Taido, which uses nengi as its only takedown.
In my karate school we would practice this move very often. We were more csideways with our partner though. Ours was more like the version Cung Le was known for in his fights. Obviously we never used it in sparring, we would have work on the technique.
@Rune Age Mage Karate has many grappling moves (especially the okinawa styles).
Hello! How would I go about avoiding injury, if someone is trying to use the kani basani on me? I heard that I should "roll with it" but I have never practiced defending against it.
My favourite single leg counter, too bad it's banned.
I remembered Ryo Chonan dit it on Anderson Silva beautifully in Pride.
How do you set it up nicely ?
One option is reactively (off the single leg like we show), another is proactively inserting the hook almost the way you would for sumi gaeshi 👍🏼
@@bzglick Thank you for your kind answer 🙏🏼👍🏼👌🏼
Veramente interessante questa tecnica.
Very good technic
I came here after reading "Lookism"
Very dangerous technique, especially for the second leg thighbone and for the first leg foot. There's a reason if that kind of action is forbidden
I often find that the more dangerous a technique is the greater the application in a self-defense situation. Although this technique has a rather high risk-high reward if applied correctly. Otherwise, you leave yourself vulnerable to attacks if you miss or you mess this up.
I broke my shoulder trying this in judo when it was legal 30 years ago..
@@inquinimento thats not why its dangerous lol
@@Dios7518 it'd not the most common outcome but of course its a risk to take seriously
saw a clip of a guy almost breaking his opponents leg with the scissor takedown, and i do not really see a difference between his and your technique, sooo can you please tell me how to avoid breaking my opponent's legs?
Best way to avoid breaking your opponent’s legs is to not do kani basami.
I know it's been a long time, but i think the main difference is when you go for the second leg. If you just jump for it, you'll end up bumping your partner's knee with your hip, loading your bodyweight's inertia on their leg. Whereas in this demo, he is putting his weight on the arm that's on the floor. Once the legs are in place he shifts his weight backwards and finishes the takedown.
@JohansenGaston thank you man, i appreciate it
Is there a good reason his legs are crossed instead of locked when finishing?
It's a not self defense technique if you put the backguards to the opponent, maybe you could break the ancle but if the opponent has a knife you are dead.
Very nice!
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Any link to the judo guys channel please?
Are you holding a black belt in both arts now? Cross training is the best. My sensei has two and a half days for tachi waza, one day only newaza and one day mix of both. Best split in my opinion.
cool! first wrestling and boxing, now bjj. it's good to see some variety🙂
Isn't this also called a crab claw?
Crab scissors ✂️
Or a scissor kick or scissor takedown.
Kani basami literally is "Crab Claw" in Japanese.
Any one else here after seeing this move done in a high school wrestling match?
what will happen if the white guy push toward?
Glick is the man!
4:00 into knee bar
Defense?
Cool
In pencak silat from Indonesia the name is guntingan
sensei does this works well in no GI ?
More NO gi PLEASE
Guys, you're good - Arigato!!
A good, safer variation!
Planting the hand makes a big difference since you can control your falling body weight 👍🏼
very beautiful 😍
No disrespect meant to anyone, but I really don't understand what a judoka of Shintaro's caliber has to learn from a BJJ guy. Like seriously, his newaza skills really ought to suffice.
Hey guys, is kani basami allowed in judo?
Not anymore. Too many guys snapping knees and ankles. There's no way to respond to it properly. It's too fast and if done correctly will result in an instant ippon or your fuck the guy's leg up. It sucks for the person who gets it.
Very dangerous takedown
why?
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I thought the rock drop was the most dangerous move.
Yeah no thanks. But it’s good to still practice these banned techniques to keep them alive. I just feel in all forms of grappling it should be banned. Especially in a tournament setting. Too many people using it badly and too many people not expecting it and getting injured.
It is good to know, since it is legal in MMA
In ADCC style no gi BJJ tournaments and sub only, kani basami is usually legal
@@pauloomss good to know but not really use out of respect for your partners health. Self defense situation? Go for it. UFC is weird they allow this but ban other stuff that Pride allowed soccer kicks etc elbows coming straight down. I liked pride better because it was more stuff allowed kind of deal.
@@pauloomss is Daki age banned? Or do they allow everything? In adcc?
@@vindicatedafi daki age is a slam? Adcc only allows slams out of submissions. But if you ever train bjj it is pretty simple to avoid being slammed by either grabbing a leg, stretching the opponent's hip or letting go. So you shouldn't really be doing stuff that let's your opponent slam you.
Vovinam has it
This is a great technique if your goal is to injure your training partner
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I’m sorry this was a terrible technique of the scissor sweep. Back in the day this sweep was allowed in judo but thrown out bc it was very dangerous. I’m happy to see the cross training.
i'll take a punch from mike tyson over a kani basami, from mike tyson -.-
Great sambo technique. Not well explained by this bjj guy.
He missed.or doesn't understand some very important intrinsic aspects of the actual takedown.
Ohh BJJ always complicated for the sake of being complicated. The minute uke resists, its uncomplicated.