@philh3709 might want to check your history pal. 2 F1 world drivers champions from America. (And no I am not American before you whine). Do better......
That's the setting, you forget it's often on public roads, so you have people, animals etc my favourite crash is in lake Como or somewhere there, there a hairpin turn around a tall building to one side, not even knee high wall to the other with q drop. Guys come flying & smash into a parked car, where were they supposed to go? so it's reactions as well. Fq has had a dragon or umbrella on the track a few times, but nowhere near the same
@@mr.goodcat582That rally drivers are incredibly talented and better drivers overall than F1 drivers. You're not all there, are you? You're in my prayers.
@sentriple5120 Yeah, I do get it but I just wanted to point out that the current WRC cars have more downforce than ever before. Apologies for ignoring your joke. 😊
Agreed... F1 is the hobby that paid him enough to make rally driving his other hobby. Robert Kubica was one of my favorite F1 drivers. He nearly tore his arm off in a rally car.
Yeah i never realized how masterful rally drivers were until i started following it more after F1 drivers says they're on another level and use rally to learn more. Their foot work, steering work, feel for the car and how they make it look so smooth on rough roads convinced me that rally drivers invented physics.
Yeah and that co-driver has the biggest balls/most bottle going. To be doing those speeds that close to trees and real dangerous hazards while not even being in control of the car 😳. Some people are just different. They are like the passengers on the isle of man side cars, both things I would never be able to even nearly become.
@@elguapo7970nah I think the co-driver is easy. Just keep looking down at the notes, and yell something at the driver every time your head stops being squeezed against the door
Part of the reason for that is because it was originally a rallying competition just for rally drivers. However, they still are very competitive on the tarmac courses
@@lucignolo8333driving and racing are not the same at all, I am an F1 fan myself and to try to be blind to the immense talent of rally drivers is just stupid
@@lucignolo8333 ok? and Rally drivers have a faster time on the track they actually compete on too. That’s a stupid comparison, which literally proves nothing
@@lup1up 3 letters at the start of a word where wrong because my huge thumbs and you couldn’t decipher it? How dare you call Godzilla stupid, i hope he steps on your home
I'd say "purist" rather than "best". There are more exhilarating motorsports to watch, but in terms of being one with the car, extracting the last millisecond out of any course? Rally drivers are the best, the purist racers.
Depends, for some, the technology is what makes racing so they watch F1, for others, on track action is more their style so Indycar, and for the final group, some people really enjoy drivers pushing the limits of a car in death defying scenarios.
@@bedfordtiger "There are more exhilarating motorsports to watch" That may be true, but possibly not be involved in, the feeling of flying a 1100kg lump off the top of a crest is something else ;)
Kalle Rovanperä is also just 23 years old today and is a double, back-to-back world champion. So he decided this year to share the teams third car with Ogier and drive just some of the races. Dude is 23 and already taking a break because he completed WRC. Amazing driver.
I remember 1 GP (long ago so don't remember which and year) where David Coulthard himself arrived too fast at a turn so he did an amazing drift with his car positioning it so perfectly that at half of the turn he was already facing the exit in a perfect straight line.. Sure he lost some tyres that's better than ending out of the track. The most amazing maneuver I've ever seen in my 40 years watching F1. Pure rally move.
for the record, just because they make f1 drivers look like amateurs it doesn't mean f1 drivers are amateurs, it's just a different skill set. problem is f1 cars have so much downforce that driving on the limit looks like your average trip to the supermarket
No the thing is the place they drive if you drive of the track in f1 you have safety features to stop and preserve you in rally you have trees, rocks or a long way down.
Cant realy compare Isle of man and Rally. In Isle of man they Go Balls while having grip on astpalt. In Rally they often dont have much grip Like when they Drive in snow making it Take more skills and risk
To be an F1 driver you have to be a super-skilled driver. To be a Rally driver you have to be beyond human. To be a TT Isle of Man biker you have to just not bother about being dead or alive!
The Isle of Man TT is raced on wide roads with tarmac. Group B was going over 200km/h on a dirt road through a forest. With less than 1 metre between the car and the trees on both sides.
I used to volunteer for rally work before I moved. It was crazy stuff. One of my last years, I got to be recovery following the course closing car in a Jeep. He said he kept checking the rear view to see how far back I was, but I was right there the entire time. I wish I had the pics and videos taken when word was spread about a Jeep clearing the course. Of course, now that I am mich older, I know how nuts it was because my Jeep and I weren't equipped for that. They truly are a different breed.
@thelonerizla1 Toivonen, McCrae, Loeb, Rohrl, Kankkunen, Makinen, Blomqvist, Sainz, Vatenen, Biasion, Mouton, Mikkola.... all amazing drivers, I am a McCrae fan but Rohrl was special. Toivenen... I wish we could have seen more of him.
I think Pike's Peak is the ultimate expression of this. Yes its technically a road race but the jeopardy is equivalent if not more, to a rally stage. A large number of winners of this have been (ex)WRC
Some racers in F1 were very capable outside of F1 like Bottas and Vettel for example , and some just show how good they are in modern single seaters but not much more. Riccardo's control in the race of champions comes to mind
I remember commenting under a greatest of all time drivers list. I said "F1 may be the fastest Motorsport outside oval racing, but rally drivers are a different breed. First it's easier to understand their speed because they drive on closed public roads and second seeing how close to disaster they are on the edge all times is insane." The closest F1 gets to rally is Monaco qualifying.
My friend Courtney was the ONLY person I've ever been scared of driving with. She lived in Oakhurst, CA just outside Yosemite National Park. If you've ever been there you know about the switchback roads. Girl drove 60-80 mph on them and each time we went places outside the park I'd be the most nervous I've ever been in a car with another person. She would've made an impressive professional driver. Her and a freakishly large amount of the teens that stole cars and drove police through wild chases in Newark, NJ where I grew up.
👉🏼😎Truth....RESPECT....was fortunate enough to meet and speak with Possum Bourne, having seen footage of stages he ran in WRC New Zealand as an official and televised footage pre studio, and it's scary awesome what the guys are prepared to do for the petrolhead thrill of arguably one of THE most dangerous motosports. It truly was an honour to have even met him. His passion was infectious for me at that time.😎👈🏼
I both co-drive and drive in low level rallies (club, some state) and if we're going to crash, I prefer to be the co-driver. When you're co-driving, one doesn't see whats coming, so you just feel it, think 'oh well, here we go' and wait till its over. Whereas the driver sees it coming, knows its their fault, and over all its a much worse feeling.
The thing about it is that F1 is (currently) about being precise, while rallying is about managing pure chaos. Its like saying that F1 drivers arent the best truckers because they cant drive big rigs
F1 is in fact the premier motorsport in terms of everything but pure skilful driving. Biggest budget, massive calendar, biggest influence, biggest salaries, biggest net worths. Premier doesn’t just come to the drivers behind the wheels. You could have 20 Mazespins behind the wheel in F1 and despite the 15 spins a race as long as it pulled the same numbers and same logistics it’d still be premier.
In terms of engineering and technological advancement I think it is. F1 tends to have the best engineers developing the cars. In terms of the product it provides it’s fans (the race) it is not. There are elite drivers in F1 and some that are less than impressive. The best or better is hard to quantify. F1 is good at marketing but it’s not the premier example of motor sport., at least not regularly. It has its spectacular moments and then extended periods of awful racing. In North America we get no exposure to rally driving so I’m not at all familiar with it.
I LOVE rally and I LOVE F1. And I sometimes compare rally and F1 to infantry and airforce. Both can't be compared at all. It's like comparing a mountain biker to a tour de france rider. Different skillsets with different challenges. Both at the top of whatever there is we can pull out of those machines. Hopefully rally racing will get a little more "showtime" soon. It's really fun to watch.
This was very much proven when Loeb joined the ranks of WTCC and was racing people like Menu and Muller etc and could beat them in the exact same car on the right day.
One thing that hits home is how they manage to turn on a bend after landing, following a jump on the course. The speed they drive at on narrow roads makes this the best motor sport. F1 today is rightfully safety conscious, but with WRC rallies safety seems to of been forgotten.
Rally is absolutely awesome. Give some credit to your fellow F1 boys though man, especially the top drivers. Give them some time to learn the Rally styles and they’d be the best imo. They work tirelessly on the health, conditioning, reflexes, and mental strengths, all on top of their natural abilities. They’d be just fine.
The truly are amazing. Your co driver is telling you what's coming up while you are driving what he said previously in the moment. They reconcile the two in real time. Simply epic.
You know what is way, way worse then Nascar ? People that think "their" racing is the best, like you just did... moronic is not accurate enough to actually describe what my opinion is of arseholes saying stuff you just did.
Nascar actually take the most skill to drive, and when you're up against a whole field of the other best drivers in the world - it makes it the toughest and most skill demanding sport on the entire planet. No other sport on planet earth requires you to travel at those insane speeds while constantly hitting the apex since there are no real straights on the track. F1 and rally drivers mostly drive in a straight line, and find it hard to hit the apex of single corners. Imagine a baby F1 driver trying to not just hit the apex point of a single corner, but to keep within the apex zone of a whole track while having a full field of other drivers around you trying to do the same thing at the same time and at the same track.
You do know nascar doesn’t drive only in ovals right? Plus they race on dirt as well which makes them more of a rally driver (more skilled) than an F1 driver in those conditions
@@oonmm "F1 and rally drivers mostly drive in a straight line"🤣 I don't know which part of the world you're from, but the rest of us have a slightly different understanding of "straight line" Ever saw a drag race?
I remember having this argument like 15 years ago at a bar. I said Loeb is the best driver in the world currently. Guy next to me said Schumacher. Between those two I don’t think there is a wrong answer but I’d rather ride with Loeb when he’s on full kill on that Oinapoina…Ounapoina….whatever that stage is in Rally Finland that’s crazy fast with lots of jumps. I would have a great time, the person in charge of cleaning my seat and nomex suit wouldn’t be happy with me, I’ll tell ya that right now.
Okay let me make it simple, race an F1 champ and a rally champ on a rally course in a rally car and the rally driver will prolly win, do the same on a F1 track with F1 cars and the F1 driver will prolly win, one sport, two different categories and two different levels of thrill...
David and Mika are world F1 champions, and David is saying that the 'set of driving skills' required to be a world rally champion is through the roof compared to that required in F1. He's NOT saying Rally champion will always be an F1 champion (and vice versa). He's comparing the overall driver(!!!) skillsets...he's saying Rally champions need to be masters in so many more driving aspects than an F1 champion. That seems fairly obvious ;) The driving skillset required for Nascar/Indy racing is even more narrowed, obviously.
Rally drivers are great but don't tell me driving at over 200 mph experiencing 10+ g-force with temperature at 40-50⁰C and maintaining 175+ heart rate for upto two hours are "amateurs"
Bro, they do not hit 10g+ 😂😂😂😂. They peak *max* at 6g when braking , lmao. And their heart rates average like 150, that's like a long jog. All this info is widely available, idk why you would post such BS ridden lies when everyone can literally Cross your bs.
It's been done before. I know Sainz Sr. did a test session with Alonso's 2006 Renault for example. They do better than your average Joe's but they still can't match the F1 guys, at least not at first. Also plenty of F1 drivers like Kimi that wind up doing rally at some stage in their career. I think it's pointless to compare, other than the basic reactions and understanding of car balance they use different skillsets.
@@drazenbudis7881 a second is an eternity in F1. They're all high level professional drivers so I'm sure with enough time they would be relatively up to speed, no one is good enough to jump in and get there in one session.
@@fergar0206 *within* a second on the very first session for the first time being inside F1 cockpit thats not tailor made for you? Hardly an eternity in that regard.
I realized this as well but through a video game. I got Dirt rally 2.0 for free so i installed it and tried playing. Since it's not arcade but a simulator the physics simulation on different surfaces completely changes car behavior. I disabled all assistants like traction control to get the proper experience and I kept crashing for like an hour until I finally was able to handle the car in the lowest class(about 100hp). After going up a class(250hp) i started crashing again because it was more difficult to handle a more powerful car. This experience made me realize how difficult it actually is to drive a rally car and i gained huge amount of respect towards rally drivers.
It was like that in rally, but regulations shut down group b, because its not fun anymore if couple guys die every year, year after another. Like in isle of man. 5 dead in one championship is the record if i remember right. Of course it would be interesting to have 1200hp rallycars, that could be done in no time, but dying on regular basis is just dumb
DC said "drivers", not "bikers" or "riders". And how one can compare the TT, a singular event on tarmac, to the whole World Rally Champinship callendar of events, where rally drivers are going on whatever the road was made of, through whatever is falling from the sky. Excluding bravery, rally drivers have the broadest driving skill set. TT riders are the bravest.
F1 is 💯 % traction , rally is loose surfaces , jumps , drifts , ice , snow , wet , Forrest’s at the same time searching to get the tyres the ultimate traction they can . You can spin your tyres up and slide better than any driver but without traction you lose massively. Nice to see mutual respect
I was talking to a photographer who took a ride with x (famous rally driver but can’t remember his name). He said that he had seen a lot, but never in his life did he experience a driver that was so skilled.
Just imagining what it must feel like to be going that fast through all of those turns and crests with trees so close to the car that you could reach out and touch them absolutely gives me chills. I have no earthly fucking idea what is in these people that makes them able to do what they do. But i love to watch them do it.
Good to hear Coulthard has come to his senses and appreciates how skilful rally really is. I distinctly remember him slagging off the Peugeot that Loeb broke the Pikes Peak record with and seemingly not able to understand that you can't compare a F1 track car with something that goes on a rally stage or similar.
David has always appreciated the rally drivers skillset. He always points out when an F1 driver has been able to transfer rally skills to F1 maneouvres.
Michele Mouton won her class at LeMans in 1975 because she was comfortable staying out on slicks in the rain while all the other drivers were pitting for wet tires
I would prefer to think they have just slightly different skillsets. Watching an F1 driver take a corner at 140, 150 mph, having faith in the grip they have, or braking at precisely the right moment for a corner and changing the braking point lap after lap to factor in fuel load, tyre degradation and brake health. Plus doing it for possibly two hours without a break. Whereas rally drivers are literally nuts for ten odd minute blasts, taking their cars to the limit on different road surfaces and cambers. Saying all that though, probably Rally drivers would be more competent trying F1 than the other way round. Both have massive skillsets.
Now take that: Robert Kubica has been racing in F1 (won 1 GP and was even leading in the championship in 2008) and in 2013 he won championship in WRC2 and has won several stages even in WRC! That is fucking crazy!
F1 and rally drivers have completely different skill sets but both are impressive. F1 drivers need to be super aware and handle crazy g force but don’t need to be as precise with the car. But rally drivers need to be super precise as the circuits are much more complex
About time that WRC gets the recognition it deserves, great to see Coulthard come out and say that, the F1 drivers get coached around a track 50 times a race and sit in a simulator for a week beforehand driving the same corners again and again, with not a tree in sight..🙌
With the outmost respect to all other professional drivers, its very obvious that top tiet rally drivers are on a completely different level. Partly becuase of the skill set but moreso on the conditions in which they drive in.
I think those are different skills, because F1 drivers drive as such high speeds that the margin is so thin. But as a race driver i can tell that my mind blows away every time i see rally drivers going that fast with so so many obstacles in a raw environment ans those skills. I bow for them!
In F1, drivers are not scared of overstepping track limits. In rally, track limits will defer you to ditches, trees, cliffs, and people, all while punching it at 130 mph.
the best way i’ve seen someone describe it is: f1 has the best racers but rally had the better drivers
How can they be the best racers when there's barely any racing in that series
Best racers you mean every other series
@@timmynicolas8729so where are the American F1 world champions then?
@@philh3709 what are even you talking about ?
@philh3709 might want to check your history pal. 2 F1 world drivers champions from America. (And no I am not American before you whine). Do better......
Walter Roehrl : „The cool drivers have the dead bugs on the side windows”
Tbf Hans Stuck said the same thing in 76 lol
Hahaha. First time hearing this. Good one
@@papa_pt never think that a particular saying, whatever it might be, has never been said before.
@@wyldeyouth never said that did I?
This one WAS said before, by Stuck. Idk about, nor made any claim about before him.
Michael Schumacher did a 15 Kilometer run with Röhrl and he jumped out like David Coulthard described: You guns are crazy…
Night racing, in the rain, in snow, in extreme heat, on tarmac, on gravel, on ice, two feet away from 500-ft drops, etc, etc.
That's the setting, you forget it's often on public roads, so you have people, animals etc my favourite crash is in lake Como or somewhere there, there a hairpin turn around a tall building to one side, not even knee high wall to the other with q drop. Guys come flying & smash into a parked car, where were they supposed to go? so it's reactions as well. Fq has had a dragon or umbrella on the track a few times, but nowhere near the same
@FarTooRightgood so it should be easy for you to don then right?
@FarTooRight yes they push on buttons and the car wins alone?? wth are you people on?
@FarTooRight okay, so you know absolutely nothing about f1. good to know
Respect to David for telling it as it is.
So true pal
Telling what? That’s it’s fking scary to be in the passenger seat?
@@mr.goodcat582That rally drivers are incredibly talented and better drivers overall than F1 drivers.
You're not all there, are you? You're in my prayers.
@@kh7688 Not necessarily better. They utilise different set of skills to race in rally than the guys in F1 do.
@@mr.goodcat582nonce
F1 drivers have downforce, rally drivers have a large ballast right in the middle of their seat.
The current rally cars have a bit of downforce too... nothing compared to F1 but more than ever before in rallying.
@paulhope3401 Rally cars have been producing downforce since Group B.
@@paulhope3401the joke is the cars arent the most aerodynamic, but they are held down simply because of the weight of their balls to drive like that
@sentriple5120 Yeah, I do get it but I just wanted to point out that the current WRC cars have more downforce than ever before. Apologies for ignoring your joke. 😊
@watersnortmoment3734 Yes... but not as much as they do now... or at least as efficiently.
Oh, now I know why Kimi said F1 is like a hobby...
Agreed... F1 is the hobby that paid him enough to make rally driving his other hobby.
Robert Kubica was one of my favorite F1 drivers. He nearly tore his arm off in a rally car.
@@timhilton7254 He only tried rally, he's a motocross guy, and that's his hobby.
@@Sertifilmfaoo he got the motoxp team in 2022. Hes beein doin rally for ages hes finish
Kimi drink and drift at same time. What eh crazy beast he was. 😂
@@ThePaulz80don't forget the boat racing in a gorilla suit 😅😅😅..
When the best F1 drivers say, "this shit is nuts" it pretty ends the "who's best" conversations.
Yeah i never realized how masterful rally drivers were until i started following it more after F1 drivers says they're on another level and use rally to learn more. Their foot work, steering work, feel for the car and how they make it look so smooth on rough roads convinced me that rally drivers invented physics.
@@JwowSaechao that's a good one
they invented physics just so that they could ignore them right after
@@fireblow6842 they left a backdoor in the Sourcecode of the physics open for them
@@solargmbh649hope the devs dont find it and patch it.
Who is the best f1 driver who said that😂
Not mention the codriver talent and the team they make together. Rally is just an awesome and insane sport.
Yeah and that co-driver has the biggest balls/most bottle going. To be doing those speeds that close to trees and real dangerous hazards while not even being in control of the car 😳. Some people are just different. They are like the passengers on the isle of man side cars, both things I would never be able to even nearly become.
I absolutely agree with you.
Rally is unique in that both the driver and the spectators are insane.
Aggree
@@elguapo7970nah I think the co-driver is easy. Just keep looking down at the notes, and yell something at the driver every time your head stops being squeezed against the door
If you can make a F1 driver shit his pants in the passenger seat of the car you’re driving, you’ve reached the pinnacle of your sport.
You've never sat next to my wife when she's driving. Truly terrifying.
😂😂😂😂@@Kevster-dp7tt
Race of champions has been run 33 times... 27 of those wins are rally drivers.
Part of the reason for that is because it was originally a rallying competition just for rally drivers. However, they still are very competitive on the tarmac courses
Well it's mostly done on rally course though with rally car
@@rockzs74r No it isn't. It's done on various courses in various cars.
@@bremCZIt’s not high speed though. F1 and most circuit racing is about managing balance at high speed.
@@RobManser77 So is drag racing...
They are the best drivers in the world.
by far
Lmao not even close, take any fast car and see who does a faster lap around any circuit. F1 driver is king
@@lucignolo8333driving and racing are not the same at all, I am an F1 fan myself and to try to be blind to the immense talent of rally drivers is just stupid
@@smortypot they are incredibly talented but around the track the f1 driver is faster with almost any vehicle
@@lucignolo8333 ok? and Rally drivers have a faster time on the track they actually compete on too. That’s a stupid comparison, which literally proves nothing
I love listening to Coulthard talk
Soothing mild scottish, mannered voice.
He used to live in Monaco, you know.
@@jamesthecatand hit didnt effect his voice what do ever do why mention it?
@n0body550 godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and fucking died
@@lup1up 3 letters at the start of a word where wrong because my huge thumbs and you couldn’t decipher it? How dare you call Godzilla stupid, i hope he steps on your home
So good to hear this from a former F1 driver. Rally driver's are on another level!
Rallying the best form of motorsport in the world
I'd say "purist" rather than "best". There are more exhilarating motorsports to watch, but in terms of being one with the car, extracting the last millisecond out of any course? Rally drivers are the best, the purist racers.
Depends, for some, the technology is what makes racing so they watch F1, for others, on track action is more their style so Indycar, and for the final group, some people really enjoy drivers pushing the limits of a car in death defying scenarios.
@@bedfordtiger "There are more exhilarating motorsports to watch" That may be true, but possibly not be involved in, the feeling of flying a 1100kg lump off the top of a crest is something else ;)
Road racing on superbikes is on another level to it
@@cerberus1321isle of mans tt is nuts
Both have elite skills...
Rally drivers have bigger balls
Way bigger
Knowing that you could die with any fuckups definitely requires more balls than padded barriers, I’ll give you that.
Rally drivers have more skills and highers skills.
Rally driver balls are so big they generate their own gravity
everyones balls generate their own gravity as any matter generates gravity 🤓
Kalle Rovanperä is also just 23 years old today and is a double, back-to-back world champion. So he decided this year to share the teams third car with Ogier and drive just some of the races. Dude is 23 and already taking a break because he completed WRC.
Amazing driver.
He seems like he just really loves cars too, considering his "hobby" is drifting professionally.
That family is something else.
David was lucky he wasn’t in a Group B rally car from the mid 80,s
Or WRC+ one.
I think you find rally cars are a lot faster today than Group B cars of the mid 80s
@@andrewpowers2904 WRC plus and Rally1 are waaay faster.
@@hillclimbracingfan5821 except these days they don't have to drive them through crowds of people.. lol
@@martynwarry6800 Well,there would be just as bad or even worse images if they did.
Kalle posted a UA-cam video from it, Mika and David have the best reactions
😂😂❤
They have off the scale driving skills...., said David Coulthard...
Its a simply admired clear explanation from DC...
I remember 1 GP (long ago so don't remember which and year) where David Coulthard himself arrived too fast at a turn so he did an amazing drift with his car positioning it so perfectly that at half of the turn he was already facing the exit in a perfect straight line.. Sure he lost some tyres that's better than ending out of the track.
The most amazing maneuver I've ever seen in my 40 years watching F1.
Pure rally move.
-0.2 tho
for the record, just because they make f1 drivers look like amateurs it doesn't mean f1 drivers are amateurs, it's just a different skill set. problem is f1 cars have so much downforce that driving on the limit looks like your average trip to the supermarket
It's all about balls..
Respect for both… very fast speeds on difficult tracks.
No the thing is the place they drive if you drive of the track in f1 you have safety features to stop and preserve you in rally you have trees, rocks or a long way down.
@@jone8626talking like you've ever driven an F1 car....
Amusing
@@jone8626the G’s don’t make it easy tho lol
Isle of Man TT bikers: Yea them rally drivers are pretty good.
it could be 2 things.
Conor Cummins. Living proof
Cant realy compare Isle of man and Rally. In Isle of man they Go Balls while having grip on astpalt. In Rally they often dont have much grip Like when they Drive in snow making it Take more skills and risk
To be an F1 driver you have to be a super-skilled driver.
To be a Rally driver you have to be beyond human.
To be a TT Isle of Man biker you have to just not bother about being dead or alive!
The Isle of Man TT is raced on wide roads with tarmac. Group B was going over 200km/h on a dirt road through a forest. With less than 1 metre between the car and the trees on both sides.
I used to volunteer for rally work before I moved. It was crazy stuff. One of my last years, I got to be recovery following the course closing car in a Jeep. He said he kept checking the rear view to see how far back I was, but I was right there the entire time. I wish I had the pics and videos taken when word was spread about a Jeep clearing the course.
Of course, now that I am mich older, I know how nuts it was because my Jeep and I weren't equipped for that.
They truly are a different breed.
Got to say, this helped me give even more respect for Robert Kubica.
Kubica one of the best ever, oh sorry
how many wins he got?
@@pen7759 His fans compete with the Hulk fans for biggest consumers of copium annually.
Raikkonen also did rally
Kubica is (or was..) a bit of hit and miss. He was very quick but he also crashed a LOT..
Lots of F1 drivers have tried their hand at Rally. Coulthard is coping.
Netflix needs to make a “Drive to Slide” series
WRC
@@keninswed Slide to survive
@@freudsigmund72😂
Dont make Netflix do it they will destroy it with woke and non talent as allways
Netflix is not needed to ruin anything more.
I can believe it because an F1 circuit is made to be as consistent as possible, these guys do it on every surface, in all weathers.
This is why Walter Röhrl is a legend , the goat 🐐.
Michèle is above 😜
@@thewhiterabbit7548she certainly made Vatanen eat his words . I mean this respectfully, Ari is one of the greatest .
@@thelonerizla1
according to Vatanen Loeb is the GOAT
@aiwass84 can't really argue with that, but I will . While Loeb is 100% the most successful, I still think Toivonen was the greatest.
@thelonerizla1 Toivonen, McCrae, Loeb, Rohrl, Kankkunen, Makinen, Blomqvist, Sainz, Vatenen, Biasion, Mouton, Mikkola.... all amazing drivers, I am a McCrae fan but Rohrl was special.
Toivenen... I wish we could have seen more of him.
Raikonen be like "Hold my icecream !'
Boah
Kimi was a joke in WRC, Kubica was winning special stages there and even won WRC2 title..
“If you wanna win, hire a fin”
-Abraham Lincoln
I think Pike's Peak is the ultimate expression of this. Yes its technically a road race but the jeopardy is equivalent if not more, to a rally stage. A large number of winners of this have been (ex)WRC
Some racers in F1 were very capable outside of F1 like Bottas and Vettel for example , and some just show how good they are in modern single seaters but not much more.
Riccardo's control in the race of champions comes to mind
Kubica was a European rally champipn.
@@amjan true kubica is a guy I always regarded as a super capable driver in general not an F1 super star racer
It’s a different style of driving.. They are both amazing
Only comment with any sense.
The fact is that just a few of f1 drivers really are able to push a f1 car to its real limit
@@alessandromulas2713 in F1 it's all about the car.
Lovely to see John Lennon back interviewing
I thought it was Robin Gibb.
And Paul McCartney
The first time i drove a group B car in a game, I couldn't believe people actually did that in real life.
I remember commenting under a greatest of all time drivers list. I said "F1 may be the fastest Motorsport outside oval racing, but rally drivers are a different breed. First it's easier to understand their speed because they drive on closed public roads and second seeing how close to disaster they are on the edge all times is insane." The closest F1 gets to rally is Monaco qualifying.
My friend Courtney was the ONLY person I've ever been scared of driving with. She lived in Oakhurst, CA just outside Yosemite National Park. If you've ever been there you know about the switchback roads. Girl drove 60-80 mph on them and each time we went places outside the park I'd be the most nervous I've ever been in a car with another person. She would've made an impressive professional driver. Her and a freakishly large amount of the teens that stole cars and drove police through wild chases in Newark, NJ where I grew up.
I totally agree, those guys are amazingly talented...
👉🏼😎Truth....RESPECT....was fortunate enough to meet and speak with Possum Bourne, having seen footage of stages he ran in WRC New Zealand as an official and televised footage pre studio, and it's scary awesome what the guys are prepared to do for the petrolhead thrill of arguably one of THE most dangerous motosports. It truly was an honour to have even met him. His passion was infectious for me at that time.😎👈🏼
Rally drivers are a different breed
They are , and they do it for a lot less money than F1 drivers
Mad props to their co drivers. It’s always way more terrifying being a passenger than being the driver.
I both co-drive and drive in low level rallies (club, some state) and if we're going to crash, I prefer to be the co-driver.
When you're co-driving, one doesn't see whats coming, so you just feel it, think 'oh well, here we go' and wait till its over.
Whereas the driver sees it coming, knows its their fault, and over all its a much worse feeling.
Rally and Baja driver are fkn champs
Two completely different sports that can’t be compared
When you actually find that F1 is not the "premier motor sport" I'm proud he admitted it.
The thing about it is that F1 is (currently) about being precise, while rallying is about managing pure chaos. Its like saying that F1 drivers arent the best truckers because they cant drive big rigs
However we've had multiple F1 drivers that went to rallying and found success (kubica, raikkonen, etc)
F1 is the premier sport. More fans, more viewership. More everything. Except danger, of course.
F1 is in fact the premier motorsport in terms of everything but pure skilful driving. Biggest budget, massive calendar, biggest influence, biggest salaries, biggest net worths. Premier doesn’t just come to the drivers behind the wheels. You could have 20 Mazespins behind the wheel in F1 and despite the 15 spins a race as long as it pulled the same numbers and same logistics it’d still be premier.
In terms of engineering and technological advancement I think it is. F1 tends to have the best engineers developing the cars. In terms of the product it provides it’s fans (the race) it is not. There are elite drivers in F1 and some that are less than impressive. The best or better is hard to quantify. F1 is good at marketing but it’s not the premier example of motor sport., at least not regularly. It has its spectacular moments and then extended periods of awful racing. In North America we get no exposure to rally driving so I’m not at all familiar with it.
I LOVE rally and I LOVE F1. And I sometimes compare rally and F1 to infantry and airforce. Both can't be compared at all. It's like comparing a mountain biker to a tour de france rider. Different skillsets with different challenges. Both at the top of whatever there is we can pull out of those machines. Hopefully rally racing will get a little more "showtime" soon. It's really fun to watch.
Good job David. Kimi would have remained speechless.
Soccer v tennis
Messi v Federer
Apples v Oranges
What a stupid discussion
Too total different sports
This was very much proven when Loeb joined the ranks of WTCC and was racing people like Menu and Muller etc and could beat them in the exact same car on the right day.
I have been watching Ralllying since I was four. I am 52 now and love it more than ever.
I don't know. It is not that one or the other is "harder". They're completely different skill sets in motorsport.
One thing that hits home is how they manage to turn on a bend after landing, following a jump on the course. The speed they drive at on narrow roads makes this the best motor sport. F1 today is rightfully safety conscious, but with WRC rallies safety seems to of been forgotten.
Rally is absolutely awesome. Give some credit to your fellow F1 boys though man, especially the top drivers. Give them some time to learn the Rally styles and they’d be the best imo. They work tirelessly on the health, conditioning, reflexes, and mental strengths, all on top of their natural abilities. They’d be just fine.
The truly are amazing. Your co driver is telling you what's coming up while you are driving what he said previously in the moment. They reconcile the two in real time. Simply epic.
Video please!
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“But to be fair…” he’s absolutely correct. Those rally drivers are absolutely inspiring & equally insane.
and nascar is just a fucking joke compared to both 😂
You know what is way, way worse then Nascar ? People that think "their" racing is the best, like you just did... moronic is not accurate enough to actually describe what my opinion is of arseholes saying stuff you just did.
Nascar actually take the most skill to drive, and when you're up against a whole field of the other best drivers in the world - it makes it the toughest and most skill demanding sport on the entire planet. No other sport on planet earth requires you to travel at those insane speeds while constantly hitting the apex since there are no real straights on the track. F1 and rally drivers mostly drive in a straight line, and find it hard to hit the apex of single corners. Imagine a baby F1 driver trying to not just hit the apex point of a single corner, but to keep within the apex zone of a whole track while having a full field of other drivers around you trying to do the same thing at the same time and at the same track.
You do know nascar doesn’t drive only in ovals right? Plus they race on dirt as well which makes them more of a rally driver (more skilled) than an F1 driver in those conditions
@@oonmm "F1 and rally drivers mostly drive in a straight line"🤣
I don't know which part of the world you're from, but the rest of us have a slightly different understanding of "straight line"
Ever saw a drag race?
Meanwhile Indycar is rolling its eyes at F1 and Nascar while giving Rally the nod of approval.
To be absolutely honest he gave you the best verbal explanation that you could possibly get on driving 👍
which is why sebastian leob is the greatest driver to have ever walked this earth
For now.
I remember having this argument like 15 years ago at a bar. I said Loeb is the best driver in the world currently. Guy next to me said Schumacher. Between those two I don’t think there is a wrong answer but I’d rather ride with Loeb when he’s on full kill on that Oinapoina…Ounapoina….whatever that stage is in Rally Finland that’s crazy fast with lots of jumps. I would have a great time, the person in charge of cleaning my seat and nomex suit wouldn’t be happy with me, I’ll tell ya that right now.
@@3PumpChumper Ouninpohja, good effort though
Lmao come on be serious.. rohrl, mikkola, toivonen, blomqvist, mouton are all far greater rally drivers than sebastian loeb will ever be.
Mattias Ekström. Michael Schumacher. Ayrton Senna. Loeb.
There is no one true Goat.
Okay let me make it simple, race an F1 champ and a rally champ on a rally course in a rally car and the rally driver will prolly win, do the same on a F1 track with F1 cars and the F1 driver will prolly win, one sport, two different categories and two different levels of thrill...
I would imagine the rally driver to have the balls to push all the way on a f1 car in a nice clean wide track.
David and Mika are world F1 champions, and David is saying that the 'set of driving skills' required to be a world rally champion is through the roof compared to that required in F1. He's NOT saying Rally champion will always be an F1 champion (and vice versa).
He's comparing the overall driver(!!!) skillsets...he's saying Rally champions need to be masters in so many more driving aspects than an F1 champion. That seems fairly obvious ;)
The driving skillset required for Nascar/Indy racing is even more narrowed, obviously.
Looks like that video went over your head. The whole thing was about who has the biggest balls and fear tolerance. Nothing to do with winning a race
I grew up watching rallies, it's just unfathomable how these guys keep those cars on the road, mixed conditions each race.
Cant really compare such different cars, techniques and skill sets
Its literally unbelievable. And whats really frightening is when people line the curves a mere feet away.
Rally drivers are great but don't tell me driving at over 200 mph experiencing 10+ g-force with temperature at 40-50⁰C and maintaining 175+ heart rate for upto two hours are "amateurs"
Bro, they do not hit 10g+ 😂😂😂😂. They peak *max* at 6g when braking , lmao. And their heart rates average like 150, that's like a long jog. All this info is widely available, idk why you would post such BS ridden lies when everyone can literally Cross your bs.
"look like"
The temps aren't any different in rally.
Atleast they dont gave to worry about driving into a tree
Explain why you are qualified to contradict David Coulthard.
The MotoGP guys are insane too. Watching that gives me major anxiety.
put a rally driver in F1 car and enjoy the show.
It's been done before. I know Sainz Sr. did a test session with Alonso's 2006 Renault for example. They do better than your average Joe's but they still can't match the F1 guys, at least not at first. Also plenty of F1 drivers like Kimi that wind up doing rally at some stage in their career. I think it's pointless to compare, other than the basic reactions and understanding of car balance they use different skillsets.
@@fergar0206 Loeb was immediately within a second per lap when testing the red bull F1 back while he was still active. But, thats Loeb.
@@drazenbudis7881 a second is an eternity in F1. They're all high level professional drivers so I'm sure with enough time they would be relatively up to speed, no one is good enough to jump in and get there in one session.
@@fergar0206 *within* a second on the very first session for the first time being inside F1 cockpit thats not tailor made for you? Hardly an eternity in that regard.
put a f1 driver in rally car and enjoy the show.
I realized this as well but through a video game. I got Dirt rally 2.0 for free so i installed it and tried playing. Since it's not arcade but a simulator the physics simulation on different surfaces completely changes car behavior. I disabled all assistants like traction control to get the proper experience and I kept crashing for like an hour until I finally was able to handle the car in the lowest class(about 100hp). After going up a class(250hp) i started crashing again because it was more difficult to handle a more powerful car. This experience made me realize how difficult it actually is to drive a rally car and i gained huge amount of respect towards rally drivers.
Isle of man bike driver enter the chat ...
Everyone else leaves ...
Rally drivers got big balls but Isle of man drivers are suicidal.
It was like that in rally, but regulations shut down group b, because its not fun anymore if couple guys die every year, year after another. Like in isle of man. 5 dead in one championship is the record if i remember right. Of course it would be interesting to have 1200hp rallycars, that could be done in no time, but dying on regular basis is just dumb
Those guys are clinically insane. They make rally drivers look like choir boys.
DC said "drivers", not "bikers" or "riders".
And how one can compare the TT, a singular event on tarmac, to the whole World Rally Champinship callendar of events, where rally drivers are going on whatever the road was made of, through whatever is falling from the sky. Excluding bravery, rally drivers have the broadest driving skill set. TT riders are the bravest.
bikers ride they don’t drive. no comparison
Videos of Mika in his old Merc (w202 I think) back home on gravel & snow are worth a look.
Yeah saw that think they showed it in top gear as well 👍
Apples vs Oranges
The amount of times I've crashed in Dirt Rally 2.0 considering its also just a video game makes me realize just how skilled rally drivers are.
Thank you, David. I've bern saying this about Rally Drivers for years
F1 is 💯 % traction , rally is loose surfaces , jumps , drifts , ice , snow , wet , Forrest’s at the same time searching to get the tyres the ultimate traction they can . You can spin your tyres up and slide better than any driver but without traction you lose massively. Nice to see mutual respect
I absolutely love rally car races! I started watching them when i first saw them on tv back when i was 14 and Im 53 now.
I was talking to a photographer who took a ride with x (famous rally driver but can’t remember his name). He said that he had seen a lot, but never in his life did he experience a driver that was so skilled.
I would soil myself about 45 seconds into any rally race.So much respect to these guys.Rally Racing will NEVER be boring.👍👍✌️❤️
I have been saying this for years. A F1 driver(he shall remain nameless) drove WRC FOR ONE SEASON AND FELL FLAT ON HIS FACE!
Delightful honesty and appreciation from a top driver of others in the profession.
Everyone has always said that... There seem to be a generalized consensus Rallies are the most difficult form of car racing.
I’m amazed any cars finish a rally. Those speeds and conditions are insane.
Just imagining what it must feel like to be going that fast through all of those turns and crests with trees so close to the car that you could reach out and touch them absolutely gives me chills. I have no earthly fucking idea what is in these people that makes them able to do what they do. But i love to watch them do it.
I never understood why anyone thinks F1 drivers are the "best of the world" it is to obvious that rally drivers are way way more skilled
In Rally you fight the track, in F1 you fight yourself.
"I undid my belts to make sure I was not doing another run"
That says a lot.
Good to hear Coulthard has come to his senses and appreciates how skilful rally really is.
I distinctly remember him slagging off the Peugeot that Loeb broke the Pikes Peak record with and seemingly not able to understand that you can't compare a F1 track car with something that goes on a rally stage or similar.
David has always appreciated the rally drivers skillset. He always points out when an F1 driver has been able to transfer rally skills to F1 maneouvres.
Michele Mouton won her class at LeMans in 1975 because she was comfortable staying out on slicks in the rain while all the other drivers were pitting for wet tires
I've watched world rally up close, from roadside, outrageous skill, noise is unbelievable.
Racing a rally car couldn’t possibly be anymore difficult than docking a boat.
It is scarier when you are the passenger, but not so much when you are driving
Rally Drivers are mental. They carry a death wish in their pocket and they do it for the rush. They are insanely skilled.
I would prefer to think they have just slightly different skillsets. Watching an F1 driver take a corner at 140, 150 mph, having faith in the grip they have, or braking at precisely the right moment for a corner and changing the braking point lap after lap to factor in fuel load, tyre degradation and brake health. Plus doing it for possibly two hours without a break. Whereas rally drivers are literally nuts for ten odd minute blasts, taking their cars to the limit on different road surfaces and cambers.
Saying all that though, probably Rally drivers would be more competent trying F1 than the other way round. Both have massive skillsets.
When I did rally, even amateur hour can be daunting. Its all about that flow state and practice
if you crash in a rally car- you'll likely walk away. if you crash in an F1? BRRRRRR! shivers down my spine. 200 mph is scary as hell no matter what.
Facts, drifters and rally drivers put stunt men and race car drivers to shame.
Now take that: Robert Kubica has been racing in F1 (won 1 GP and was even leading in the championship in 2008) and in 2013 he won championship in WRC2 and has won several stages even in WRC! That is fucking crazy!
F1 and rally drivers have completely different skill sets but both are impressive.
F1 drivers need to be super aware and handle crazy g force but don’t need to be as precise with the car.
But rally drivers need to be super precise as the circuits are much more complex
F1 cars are glued to the road! Rally cars are like driving on ice 🤣
About time that WRC gets the recognition it deserves, great to see Coulthard come out and say that, the F1 drivers get coached around a track 50 times a race and sit in a simulator for a week beforehand driving the same corners again and again, with not a tree in sight..🙌
With the outmost respect to all other professional drivers, its very obvious that top tiet rally drivers are on a completely different level. Partly becuase of the skill set but moreso on the conditions in which they drive in.
I think those are different skills, because F1 drivers drive as such high speeds that the margin is so thin. But as a race driver i can tell that my mind blows away every time i see rally drivers going that fast with so so many obstacles in a raw environment ans those skills. I bow for them!
In F1, drivers are not scared of overstepping track limits.
In rally, track limits will defer you to ditches, trees, cliffs, and people, all while punching it at 130 mph.
Absolutely, without a doubt. Rally drivers are the most fearless drivers on the face of the earth! True skills!