TENSE Dialog between ATC and Pilot at JFK Airport. Real ATC Audio
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Date: December 24, 2023.
Location: John F. Kennedy International Airport (KJFK/JFK)
A Norse Atlantic UK Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner registration G-CKWN, performing flight UBT70A from London Gatwick Airport (EGKK) to New York John F. Kennedy International Airport (KJFK).
After landing at KJFK flight crew of was instructed to vacate runway 31R via taxiway V or U3. Flight crew reported that they were unable to vacate via V and were going to go off the runway via U3 because heavy weight of the airplane.
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Yeah, he got the option and ATC had a hissy when he took it. It’s not like he stopped the plane to say why he needed more length, he was moving off.
That’s on the controller, for sure. Pilot did the right thing not rushing for ATC. United hustled in Houston for ATC a couple of weeks ago and wound up in the dirt.
Not letting themselves draged into the ATC drama. I like these pilots. And what's with the controller? He provides them with the U3 option then gets upset when they take it 🙂
3 seconds too slow I guess. A little more spacing is required, this isn't worth it. One go around causes way more problems.
@@incremental_failure - It's the most efficient way to get the maximum number of planes in and out. Goarounds aren't all that common, but everyone's ready for one.
@@GWNorth-db8vn Go-arounds seem to be quite common. I've listened to ATC enough to hear them happening quite frequently.
@@incremental_failure - You hear the ones where someone gets annoyed. It's not very common even when they're busy. That's why ATC apologizes. Everyone is expecting the chance that they might have to go around and the procedure is laid out by the book. It's not a drama.
@@GWNorth-db8vn I hear the ones that are happening when I listen to ATC comms. Go-around isn't a drama but it's a big waste of fuel. I never suggested it's dramatic.
That’s on the controller.
Amazing, the controlling did nothing about close spacing, said nothing about wanting a fast exit, gives an option for two different exits, then makes a rushed demand at the last second, and finally blames the pilot for his mistakes and poor communication. Hey Buddy, landing an airplane is not like playing with hot wheels or toy planes where you can rush around however you want.
If you hadn't given us any details about where this happened we still would have known it was New York.
‘Longboat’ is probably the coolest airline callsign ever
Yep and the holding company Norse Atlantic operates with the callsign "Longship". I love it. :D
Sorry but I beg to differ, BA's "Speedbird" is the coolest one ever
How about Starlux's "StarWalker"?
Why the JFK ATC complains ?
They gave the Longboat the choice of vacate the RWY via V or U3…and that’s what they did !
Controller at fault for inadequate spacing and he cleared BOTH to land. Surely the 747 should have got a "continue approach" and no clearance until the active was vacant.
That's SOP at JFK. Four miles spacing. Their minimum is 3,5. They clear everyone to land as soon as they get on the localizer. If they wait until the runway's clear, they're distracting the pilot and making him respond just as he's about to reach the threshold.
When they're really busy, they land and take them off in pairs on parallel runways.
@@GWNorth-db8vn exactly right. every minute occurrence at JFK clearing them all to land once they're on frequency. they're all on the same approach at the right speeds when final hands them over. I'm a bit sympathetic to the pilot here though, I don't think he really wants to cause a problem, but it's his runway. certainly it's expected and appreciated to expedite off, but you don't HAVE to.
@@PilotDaveLI - The pilot's definitely in the right here. His accent sets off alarm bells, but that's my problem. He sounds like a pretentious guy I know who hides his low accent behind a fake-educated one just like that.
@@GWNorth-db8vn It's Received Pronunciation, pretty common if you're based in Southern England.
@GWNorth-db8vn It works fine around the rest of the world... no clearance to land until the runway is clear for you to land on. It's not difficult 🙄
This ATC sucks....in so many ways....
"Welcome to New York. Now shut up." 😉 😃
Sitting safe in his tower the controller demands a quicker exit of his runway. Notice how he was extra nice to everyone after..
That controller screwed up. He should not have had them that close in the first place.
JFK controllers simply suck. They forget that they are SUPPORT for the aviators and nothing more. Pathetic! These types of “requests” are what caused United to exit the runway at a higher rate of speed and slide off into the mud. Kudos to Longboat for safely controlling his aircraft regardless of the stupidity of ATC.
Proper reply by longboat concerning other traffic, "im not interested in all that".
I think the caption was wrong. @1:50 I think he says "unable, turning left U3". He didn't say "okay".
Geez. What's with the controller? This was a completely normal exchange up until the controller starting rushing something that shouldn't be rushed.
Norse Atlantic callsign is Longship, and North Atlantic UK callsign is Longboat. Both of them terms for viking ships. They also have a very cool livery with the aft of a viking ship on the vertical stabilizer.
Put the 747 in too close behind and then has a go at the 787 for not exiting quickly enough, even though he gave the option of further down the runway. Typical NY clown.
These ATC guys at JFK are really full of themselves. There was a reason he didn’t exit, probably because of his speed. 20 is about the maximum for the nose wheel to turn on anything but a high speed exit. I’d have a talk with that supervisor.
Sorry, this is a controller error allowing the 2 aircraft to be so close. And surely the second aircraft can't be given "Cleared to Land" until the controller knows the runway is clear?
ATC should be aware of this if they put a 747 4 miles behind a 787.
Atc was being a DBag
This is on the controller. The controller just assumed that the landing aircraft could exit sooner but didn’t. The controllers should’ve kept more separation.
I miss Kennedy Steve!
If that's an accurate depiction that 747 was up the 787's rear end and should have been slowing down long before that point, maybe some S turns if possible next time.
atc: i don't need to hear ur bullsht , get off the runway quickly . pilot: ok thanks
This type of communication should not be done on the radio. Both pilots and controllers are professionals. A phone conversation would be more appropriate. The conversation sound's more like a father repremanding his young child. Controllers must be experts at adapting to any situation. I always had a slight feeling of unhappiness when I had to send a bird around. Not because it caused extra work but because of the inconvenience placed on the passengers. Adapt, nothing is perfect.
NYC attitude although his not originally from NY.
He sounds like NY to me, but I'm Canadian. The British pilot sounds like a guy I know from Liverpool who has tried for years to hide his accent under something "classier".
@@GWNorth-db8vn ahh. If you are from anywhere north of NYC ( NYS ) we consider you Canadian.
@@wizerdjuice9589 - We'll take the New Englanders. In my trucking days, I brought a load from Florida to Minnesota and people were warning us that they were crazy up there. "Lots of Canadian blood in them"
@@GWNorth-db8vn - Scousers are cool!
@@cockerhamsands - Nothing wrong with Scouses. The Beatles proved that. I just don't like pretentious people trying to hide who they are.
Sounds like ATC got all flustered after reaming out the first a/c. He needs milk!!!!!
Controller dropped a bollock and was a total fud about it. I hope he got a reprimand.
Waiting for the big CRUNCH! saturated airspace
210 knots is about 240 mph = 4 miles a minute and 1.7 miles from the runway. So based on my math the plane is about 25 seconds from landing and the departing plane is just starting take-off (54 knots). It seems like “tight” would be accurate.
Very poor controller who then tells the "go round" aircraft a vector to turn left from a right hand runway, at low height.
Behind SFO, the JFK guys are probably some of the worst/least professional in the system.
Controller messed up. Seems to be a New York thing.
Pushing Tin🇺🇸
Clearing two a\c in trail on approach to land on the same runway?
SOP state-side as best I can tell. My understanding is that in the EU, etc. landing clearance is never given until the runway is clear.
This was considered TENSE???!!!!! WTF????? No it wasn't! I've heard a LOT worse!
Just another example of the general degradation of in-control cool heads...
This was not particularly "tense" by NY standards. No big deal... & the pilots involved correctly didn't make it a big deal. Water under the bridge in very busy airspace. Nothing-burger.
The controller is an ASS...
Welcome to New York!
@@frankgrimesification I'd never fly my plane East of the Ohio river let alone NY airspace...I feel sorry for all those pilots that do...
This ATC needs retraining or another job
Why are JFK controllers such aggressive people ?
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the controller is an a$$
And 31L was not available because? An ounce of prevention.
because of ops.. that's why
Because the traffic they referenced on the go around. . The line of departures waiting to go
@@LiamsCarsandblocks yeah but the go around was the 2nd plane. As far as we knew, there were no departures. I see why ATC did what he did.
Sounds like the norse pilot was taking his sweet time and not wanting to push his brakes....ATC wasn't rude , but witty! Norse pilot had no response!
New York controllers especially jfk controllers some of the best in the nation. Based there for 10 years. Norse probably putzed around on the runway. If you can’t make a taxiway say unable don’t clog the radio with why you can’t.
Tower was spot on. That's just how it works. Pilot was a tool.
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Little cheeky... we're heavy with cargo and pax... myeah.