@@harryw9268 - Well, they did ask their mum if it was ok to cross the street. They just misunderstood and thought it was ok to run across the street. They didn't catch the "line up and wait". I am very sure they'll catch that forever after this near miss.
@@fettolehart Flight Furrfet ttv 5531, Copy Code Brown. Turn right heading 135, descend and maintain 3000, speed at your discretion. Expect heavy stink at runway 31R
@@fettolehart I think there might be a few of them saying that.... Never good to hear tower say something like "opps, crap or fuck" with panic in there voice like that... I bet every pilot and copilot started to look around to see where the trouble is.
I have so much respect for air traffic controllers. Like seriously, they have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and they allow flying to be the safest mode of transportation. They are directly responsible for keeping everyone on the ground and in the air safe. They seriously don't receive the recognition that they deserve. They are heroes without a doubt.
@@WhiteNoise493 Huh. I wouldn't have thought so. Trains are on set tracks off which they cannot deviate. I'm guessing the investment in train control, infrastructure, and regulation is nowhere near as good as air travel.
Was on a plane during takeoff when the pilot hit the brakes hard, I was in a position to see another plane cross in front of us. The pilot simply got on the speaker and told the passengers, "We are going to go ahead and try that again." This was at Dallas going to LAX around 2010. Crazy.
"Possible Pilot Deviation. I have a number for you, advise ready to copy" is the ATC equivalent of the scary Uncle at the family BBQ "You Done fucked up, son!"
"You possibly done fvcked up, son." They gotta stop saying possibly. There is *no question or doubt* that this was a pilot deviation. And a damn bad one at that.
Man when tower first called them you could just hear 106 knew what was coming. “I have a number for you” is up there with scary things to hear on the radio
@@sailyui ... It is the technical term for stopping during a takeoff attempt. The approval for takeoff was rejected, not that hard to comprehend. Maybe you should stop exposing your ignorance, instead of making it obvious like this.
@@sailyui You are trying to be condescending towards someone using the proper technical language. I don't have to go looking at your profile for a video literally a decade old to know that you are doing nothing but loudly proclaiming you are ignorant af.
That Call of rejection. was actually such a clencher for me. Because I was unfamiliar with it and I thought the pilot calling rejection was rejecting the tower telling him not to take off. I thought that was him essentially saying that like they have already committed to the take off and are unable to stop. I had forgotten that the plane definitely needs more speed to take off. But it definitely threw me for a second to hear that rejection and not understand exactly what it meant.
Holy shit, my heart was racing when I realised they had taxied onto the runway, amazing job from the pilot of the Delta plane and the ATC were top notch. I said "phew" at the same time as the ATC on the audio lol
He stayed alert and did his job, so job well done. However, it should not exactly give you a medal of honor to hit the brakes when another plane is sitting across your takeoff path in plain sight. Also, is “cancel takeoff clearance” really the right terminology when two planes are about to crash? I would have assumed something like “Abort! Abort! Abort!” would be better. Its faster to say, more to the point and conveys the right level of urgency?
Let's take a minute here to thank the ATC for their admirable job. AAL106 was not even on the runaway yet, but the ATC had already spotted the incursion. Sharp contrast to what happened in January 2024 at Haneda Airport in Japan where a Dash 8 was sitting on the Runway for 30 seconds with no one noticing leading to the crash of an incoming A350.
The airport also has automated runway incursion warning. Since this tower was in command of 4L I imagine the “shit” was all his screens flashing with the warning and the second delay was him remembering who to cancel clearance for
Setting aside blame, and whose fault is that, etc., it is breathtaking the level of professionalism everyone in the event had. The ATC recognizing the inpending tragedy and not even vacillating on the medicine, delivered perfectly. Then the crew of the DAL1943 doesn't hesitate and simply put their lives on the ATC's command. Even after making a bad mistake, the AA106, takes their medicine. I cant imagine the weight of the responsibility for any of them.
No we shouldn't set aside blame! Pilots should have been prosecuted. What was going on in the cockpit? They were discussing periods of that female pilot? It's total negligence.
This accident was avoided because, for 100 years, casting blame was NOT at the forefront of Aviation’s mind. But then again, I don’t expect that you can understand the concept, since hearing a woman’s voice equates in your brain that she can only be distracted discussing her period.
@NathanChambers About as scary as Putin noticing you as your company marches past the podium, leaning over to one of his generals, pointing you out discreetly and whispering "Him."
Thank you for your work. you have made only quality videos with a new level of 3D visuals and perspectives that are informative for not only everyday viewers but pilots as well. I am a commercial pilot who is working on my CFI certificate and I am doing research on runway incursions for a lesson plan that I will be teaching on my checkride and you are great at explaining the situation and keeping us informed of what is happening! Also you provide a lot of videos with great examples of everyday airport incidents that happen more often than we'd like to think. You're awesome dude!
"shit" (tower) Is that a standard radio call for a runway incursion on an active takeoff runway? "hoo for Delta 1943" Is that a standard radio call for a successful rejected takeoff? I can't find either of those in my manuals.
According to the NTSB, the flight crew of AA106 misunderstood "cross runway 31Left at Kilo" and that somehow meant just cruise on across 4Left. I just... don't understand how you could f that up so badly.
People... actually video makers everywhere, for the sake of viewers and listeners, please can you just mute the audio for the phone number? There's no need to assault my ears with a tone twice as loud as anything else in the video. We get it, don't give out the number, but TEN BEEPS in a row? Come on.
I don’t have the patience to be in the tower , you guys are a different breed . I would not want to responsibility for that many souls your protect daily . Much respect!
@@Freezorgium It wasn't about sentencing. The Delta engines and brakes were pushed basically to the limit which is why the aircraft could not depart. Unfortunately, there was probably not another aircraft available for the flight.
Every time something like this happens I’m amazed that it’s even possible. I had always imagined like there was physical barriers retracting or something preventing planes from just making a wrong turn and killing 400 people. Scary to think a simple wrong turn is possible at basically all airports :/
@@spinynorman887doesn’t change the fact that mistakes like this can happen. There should be a better system in place for this by now, like for example having lights at every intersection with a runway.
You would think there would be some official command such as "Abort!" or "Halt!" or something available to controllers for use in such urgent situations rather than the six long syllables of "cancel takeoff clearance". "Shit!" maybe? haha.
I think I heard on a VASAviation video ATC using something like "all stop" or "ground stop" cause yeah, that'd be a hell of a time to trip over call signs
@@footnukethere's another example where tower had cleared two aircraft on crossing runways for takeoff at the same time, ATC just shouts ' STOP STOP STOP'. A bit clearer if you ask me.
That's why you aren't an ATC, since you find tiresome to say three simple words. The terminology is exact to avoid confusion, based on problems occurred in the past, because "stop" or "abort" can mean a huge array of things.
@cf-yg4bdAlso starting with the word "cancel gives a strong intent as to what is required to be done whilst being clarified with the rest of the phrase.
I am so glad they replaced the phraseology of retracting take-off clearance while on the take-off run. Saying this entire phrase in a panic is really clunky and takes time. Nowadays it would just be: "American 1943, STOP IMMEDIATELY, American 1943, STOP IMMEDIATELY"
Jaysus! Crossing an ACTIVE runway without being 100% sure of clearance? As an Airside Escort, we were not allowed to cross runways mid field. 4 infractions like this and the airfield loses its status and landings/take offs reduced. In Canada, immediate downgrade of rank and Federal inquiry.. Flying is a serious business!
Eh? Where was the Ground radar? Hard to believe no ground radar there. Some airfields have sensors so if you intrude on the runway, it sets off an alarm. Just driving past the yellow wog-wags is cause for a federal inquiry. "Clear of clearance"? Makes no sense.@@nataliecharles6988
Everyone is tested before being allowed to drive onto the field. A family member had an assigned vehicle and would have to go out on the field to check the work of the handling company subcontractor who would load the planes. Always alert because of so much going on at the same time and safety is number one. I will never see the report. The Captain typically moves the plane on the ground with the co-pilot running the radios and double checking where they are.
Kinda feel bad for DAL1943. They were in the midst of take off then got blueballed. You know the customers on that flight were pissed they had to wait till the next morning.
I'm kind of surprised the call is "Cancel takeoff clearance" rather than something along the lines of "Stop, stop, stop" or "Reject takeoff." Doesn't quite get across the urgency of the situation.
Because a pilot knows he has to stop when his takeoff clearance is cancelled. Why potentially confuse him with a non standard sentence and cost important seconds?
It’s most likely standard operating procedures. If the pilots are trained to hear “cancel takeoff clearance” in serious situations then they know to stop immediately.
It is not an SOP, but the law. FAA JO 7110.65AA Section 3-9-11 states: ' Cancel a previously issued clearance for takeoff and inform the pilot of the reason if circumstances require. Once an aircraft has started takeoff roll, cancel the takeoff clearance only for the purpose of safety. *PHRASEOLOGY−* CANCEL TAKEOFF CLEARANCE (reason). '
Stop is not clear enough, there are many planes moving around on that frequency, but only one taking off. Cancel takeoff points directly to the one plane, without doubt.
It was clearly the American Airlines pilot fault for this almost accident, for missing her right turn and almost causing a sequel to the Tenerife incident
Why did the tower tell American 106 heavy to hold position? Shouldn't they have told them to get off the runway? I mean it looks like American 106 ignored them and went off the runway anyway. Does hold position mean something else in aviation?
Either rejected takeoff is considered an incident making pilots unfit for duty for that day. or the maintenance would take so long it would go beyond their shift.
Why shouldn't they? If the crew can complete the flight within their allowed duty time, even with a delay, and the aircraft is in working order, there is no reason to prevent them from going. Aviation incidents and following investigations aren't about blaming someone. They are about finding out *why* something happened. If people keep getting blamed and punished for minor issues, they won't report problems or talk to investigators.
@@labbadah3379 I think you may want to research how the FAA and airlines handle “possible pilot deviations”. There are very specific rules and guidelines on how these investigations are conducted and what actions the FAA takes immediately. Pulling a CVR has rules and procedures, it’s not something they just do routinely. Look up Brasher warnings. The narration suggests the Delta’s flight crew timed out after returning to the gate to run their rejected takeoff checklists and another flight crew wasn’t available for several hours. AA106 had no mechanical issues due to the incident and their company let them resume operation after the investigation phone call. That’s all. It’s not weird at all.
@@magical_catgirl It's a human factors issue. The fact that they made this error in the first place could be an indication that the crew are fatigued or under pressure. Now add to this that not only have they caused a near catastrophe, which in itself can cause stress or anxiety, but they have an investigation to look forward to, from the FAA AND their own company. These stresses can add up and can compromise the effectiveness of the crew. If they encountered a malfunction or another incident that night, it could be the straw that broke the camels back.
Is it really safe for AAL106 to continue right after being told you might be fired? Would the stress mess with their performance, so should a real disaster strike, they would be on degraded performance handling it?
Yeah. That scares me about flying, AAL106 crew needed to be checked if they were having a medical or personal issue that made them unfit to fly. They almost killed 200 or so people
If this kind of thing happens to me in a business situation, I get a real high when I'm as competent and able as ATC was here. If this kind of thing happened to me and a few hundred lives were almost lost, I'd need two years off to decompress.
The one minor criticism I'd make is that ATC could have said "Turn right at Kilo then cross 13 left" Rather than just "cross 13 left at kilo" This would have made it slightly clearer that they needed to make a right turn at Kilo.
At each runway intersection there are signs telling you which runway you are about to cross. They should have checked those signs before crossing a runway to make shure you cross the correct runway.
Yep. You have to read back runway crossing clearance, and ideally you would be writing taxi instructions down including what runways you're taxiing over or holding short of. There's not really any excuse for not checking the runway numbers before crossing.
Also, because I went back and checked, even if they messed up and just assumed whatever runway, there was no way to cross 4L using taxiway Kilo, so there were quite a few errors leading up to this.
@@michaellange6303 it's more than that. That's part of it, but the bigger reason is that these airplanes are just too complex. Regardless, neither pilot caught the multiple errors. Complacency is a killer in aviation is one of the hazardous attitudes you learn about in your training to become one.
I also don’t understand is that as you approach one of these runways at an intersection, there is normally a callout like, “Approaching Runway Xx” to doubly make sure you are aware of where you are.
5:01 This part is absolutely hilarious if you listen to it with the idea that they're absolutely shittalking each other into the ground so much that it had to be censored.
"Delta 1943, are you able to taxi, or do you need a couple minutes to run checks? And by 'run checks' I mean use copious profanity and change your pants."
Per the NTSB report: "The Airport Surface Detection System issued an alert to ATC of a pending conflict and controllers canceled the Delta flight's takeoff clearance;"
I read somewhere else that American missed their turn AND changed from ground to tower too early….so they never heard the call of the woman ATC to hold position
The issue isn't that they didn't look - it is difficult for pilots to tell if an aircraft is facing their direction and holding, or actually moving towards them. The issue is that pilots are supposed to cross check before crossing any runway, which clearly did not happen in this case. They would have realized they were about to cross the wrong runway.
I don’t know anything about planes but why did delta return to the gate and was delayed bc they couldn’t find any crew? Was it bc they had to check the systems after an emergency stop? Shouldn’t it be the AA flight that is sent back to gate and delayed bc of the violation?
Who throws a 737 pilot with 100 hours in a 777 sim right into the big leagues, right seat of a heavy at JFK? AAL needs to get their shit together. This was too close
Everyone has to step up at some time. How many hours do you want them to have as a 737 pilot and in the 777 sim? 5,000 each? Come on. Only way to learn is to start doing it.
The PIC of the 777 had more than 20,000 hrs, and an extra pilot in the cockpit helping with paperwork. He taxied to the wrong location, and crossed a runway without permission. The right seater had nothing to do with it beyond running the radios, she was talking to the cabin when the incident occurred.
@@MeerkatADV Without all of that, without any hours, the FIRST thing you do before entering any runway or taxiway is look left, look right, make sure that the runway is clear and there are no aircraft about to land or takeoff. That is something you learn like day 1 of flight training
The Delta engines and brakes were pushed basically to the limit which is why the aircraft could not depart. Unfortunately, there was probably not another aircraft available for the flight.
You never want to hear “oh shit” in any type of job. I use to work in the operating room at a large hospital and “oh shit”, meant this will not be a good day and to start praying for a successful patient outcome to the issue. I was able to help save many patient’s lives because I prayed a lot and knew how to make split second decisions to save lives.
It is a maze and it’s easy get confused, but you have to take that into consideration when operating there, if in doubt get clarification. You can hear the realisation in the captains voice when he realises he was supposed to be taxiing to 04L
@@zedwhitepawandfriends1607 They were given permission to cross a runway though. The runway on the other side. That's why the AA captain seemed confused. Unfortunately, it seems like the AA pilots did not cross check which all pilots are supposed to do before crossing any runway.
Question: why did the Delta flight go back to the gate? The narrator said “with no crew available” they had to cancel and leave the next day. Could they not have just taken off once the runway was clear?
They already used fuel and their brakes were probably heavily used. And tbh neither of these crews should have flown immediately afterwards, just on a psychological level
Not an expert but is there not a way for this to be primarily via cell or another clearer transmission - or even a digital confirmation button in the aircraft - the readback from American 106 was so jarbled.
it's shitty because this is recorded from an amateur radio somewhere outside the airport, it's usually crystal clear in the tower, at least with commercial aircraft who have high quality radio equipment and headsets. sometimes it may sound like crap with old radio equipment on tiny private aircraft, or noisy helicopters.
Just look at that graphic and tell me you're capable of doing the job of an Air Traffic Controller. If it were me there would be airplanes crashing and burning. The amount of responsibility these guys have just blows my mind.
They were given permission to cross runway 31L, but got confused and crossed 4L instead. That's why the AA captain seemed confused. Unfortunately, it seems like the AA pilots did not cross check which all pilots are supposed to do before crossing any runway.
FO had increased workload due to brand new procedures by carrier which required her to interrupt takeoff checklists. FO was new to the plane and had just read a 35 page change order bulletin. Captain had to make left and right turn quickly and couldn’t see stop bars, nor could relief pilot, plus they had just changed freq and did not hear Delta 1943 takeoff clearance. APA has been fighting these changes on appeal. Unsure of resolution as they’re usually confidential.
I don’t think you’re likely to find out what happened to the flight crew of AA106 if that’s what you mean. There’s a negotiated union limit to what sort of corrective action information is made public about flight crews.
AA just missed to hearing the letter K as it is the last in the sentence. The pilot heard permission to cross without hearing At K. It’s a very difficult job as an ATC and also being a pilot
I was once on a BA 777 flight where it was only about 1/2 full, it felt quite eerie considering that I’ve travelled that route multiple times and it’s normally full.
My dad once had a super delayed flight, but it had to be completed (positioning, regulatory, hub to hub). 12. I don't know if it was a wide body or a standard body, but everyone got first class service.
@@tech34756 I remember in the late 80's and early 90's when we would fly to Spain yearly, one year we were on a 747 that could only have been about 25% full. I remember all the rows in the back being empty and I (who was about 8 years old) took all the pillows and made a giant nest of pillows to sleep on. Great fun.
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If you were the Kennedy Tower ATC Supervisor, what would you say to the crew of AA106? Let me know in a reply!
You just nearly lost your job...and possible your life after that
So it was the plane crossing the runway that weren't supposed to, right
Didn’t your mum tell you to look both ways before you cross the road?
@@harryw9268 - Well, they did ask their mum if it was ok to cross the street. They just misunderstood and thought it was ok to run across the street. They didn't catch the "line up and wait". I am very sure they'll catch that forever after this near miss.
I hear Aerosucre is currently hiring
Imagine being on AAL106 and looking out the window to see a plane going full speed into you
iT WAS THAT MOMENT THAT THE CREW KNEW THEY F***KED UP
Just watch what happened at Tenerife, those guys did.
Canary Islands crash was just like that!! One Boeing 747 slammed into another one.
Yep that would have been the view from the right seat, no wonder the FO sounded pissed.
@@kingston5469 They were heading straight for each other not at an intersection, one partially turned to avoid at the last minute.
Man, that sucks for the DAL passengers. 14 hour delay because AAL missed the turn at kilo. Better than being a grease spot on the runway though.
wait but why was it delayed 14 hours after that
I assume the delta pilots ran out 9f hours or calculated that they would run out of hours. It's unfortunate.
The american airlines pilots may have lost their jobs for that pilot deviation. That was pretty severe and could have killed everyone on both planes.
The pilots probably would've "turned to pumpkins"
@@karol-hq1fy they turned back to gate and sounds like pilots ran out of time to complete the flight
Hearing the tower yell Shit! over the radio for all planes to hear must be something. I bet a few pilots tensed up there
The butt cheek checklist were all crossed.
@@RetroGamingSwedenTower be advised we need to return to the gate. The captain has a code brown and needs to replace his pants.
@@fettolehart Flight Furrfet ttv 5531, Copy Code Brown. Turn right heading 135, descend and maintain 3000, speed at your discretion. Expect heavy stink at runway 31R
@@fettolehart I think there might be a few of them saying that.... Never good to hear tower say something like "opps, crap or fuck" with panic in there voice like that... I bet every pilot and copilot started to look around to see where the trouble is.
No shit
‘… hoo…’ that sums up the relief lol
And you can hear the “aw crap” in the way the American pilot called “Roger” later in the recording
@@SmellTheCheeeez Exactly lol
As well as just how close it was.
You can say that again!!!😅
From full acceleration to full emergeny breaking - yes, that is shaking
I have so much respect for air traffic controllers. Like seriously, they have one of the most difficult jobs in the world and they allow flying to be the safest mode of transportation. They are directly responsible for keeping everyone on the ground and in the air safe. They seriously don't receive the recognition that they deserve. They are heroes without a doubt.
I did my work experience in the Isle of Man airport, up in the tower. It was awesome but told me that I didn't want to be an ATC man.
You’re not joking. You have to have balls (or similar lady parts) of steel to do that job!
Nothing to say about ATC, they're legends, but is flying safer than trains?
@@ShiroKage009yes
@@WhiteNoise493 Huh. I wouldn't have thought so. Trains are on set tracks off which they cannot deviate. I'm guessing the investment in train control, infrastructure, and regulation is nowhere near as good as air travel.
3:10 "Probably make some phone calls, ask them to bring pliers to extract the seat cushion from my posterior and also get me some clean pants."
Was on a plane during takeoff when the pilot hit the brakes hard, I was in a position to see another plane cross in front of us. The pilot simply got on the speaker and told the passengers, "We are going to go ahead and try that again." This was at Dallas going to LAX around 2010. Crazy.
"Possible Pilot Deviation. I have a number for you, advise ready to copy" is the ATC equivalent of the scary Uncle at the family BBQ "You Done fucked up, son!"
At 4:36 you can almost hear the "Oh fffuuuuu....." in the AAL106 cockpit.
thankfully he won't be getting a deviation :)
It's the equivalent of coming home from work and walking into "honey we need to talk" from the wife...
"You possibly done fvcked up, son."
They gotta stop saying possibly.
There is *no question or doubt* that this was a pilot deviation. And a damn bad one at that.
Man when tower first called them you could just hear 106 knew what was coming. “I have a number for you” is up there with scary things to hear on the radio
2:12 Delta 1943 with the most casual take off rejection callout
Iron nerve
Rejecting? Sounds more like a "Nah, I'm good" to me.
Love that confidence.
@@sailyui ... It is the technical term for stopping during a takeoff attempt. The approval for takeoff was rejected, not that hard to comprehend. Maybe you should stop exposing your ignorance, instead of making it obvious like this.
@@ShaggyRogers1 and maybe you should go back to hearthstone and stop trying to sound smart
@@sailyui You are trying to be condescending towards someone using the proper technical language. I don't have to go looking at your profile for a video literally a decade old to know that you are doing nothing but loudly proclaiming you are ignorant af.
That Call of rejection. was actually such a clencher for me. Because I was unfamiliar with it and I thought the pilot calling rejection was rejecting the tower telling him not to take off. I thought that was him essentially saying that like they have already committed to the take off and are unable to stop. I had forgotten that the plane definitely needs more speed to take off. But it definitely threw me for a second to hear that rejection and not understand exactly what it meant.
This takes, “If you can make it in New York, you can make it anywhere.” To a whole new level!
Holy shit, my heart was racing when I realised they had taxied onto the runway, amazing job from the pilot of the Delta plane and the ATC were top notch. I said "phew" at the same time as the ATC on the audio lol
He probably had to take a smoke break. Good job to the tower and thanks to all the ATCs. It seems like the toughest job.
He stayed alert and did his job, so job well done.
However, it should not exactly give you a medal of honor to hit the brakes when another plane is sitting across your takeoff path in plain sight.
Also, is “cancel takeoff clearance” really the right terminology when two planes are about to crash? I would have assumed something like “Abort! Abort! Abort!” would be better. Its faster to say, more to the point and conveys the right level of urgency?
Let's take a minute here to thank the ATC for their admirable job. AAL106 was not even on the runaway yet, but the ATC had already spotted the incursion. Sharp contrast to what happened in January 2024 at Haneda Airport in Japan where a Dash 8 was sitting on the Runway for 30 seconds with no one noticing leading to the crash of an incoming A350.
The airport also has automated runway incursion warning. Since this tower was in command of 4L I imagine the “shit” was all his screens flashing with the warning and the second delay was him remembering who to cancel clearance for
@@D4M14N1989the system is called airport surface detection equipment and a loud and very attention getting command is issued.
Setting aside blame, and whose fault is that, etc., it is breathtaking the level of professionalism everyone in the event had. The ATC recognizing the inpending tragedy and not even vacillating on the medicine, delivered perfectly. Then the crew of the DAL1943 doesn't hesitate and simply put their lives on the ATC's command. Even after making a bad mistake, the AA106, takes their medicine. I cant imagine the weight of the responsibility for any of them.
No we shouldn't set aside blame! Pilots should have been prosecuted. What was going on in the cockpit? They were discussing periods of that female pilot? It's total negligence.
@@Tintovino-28 Did you take your medicine?
@@cockas It's you who should consult shrink.
@@Tintovino-28 Don't think so.
This accident was avoided because, for 100 years, casting blame was NOT at the forefront of Aviation’s mind.
But then again, I don’t expect that you can understand the concept, since hearing a woman’s voice equates in your brain that she can only be distracted discussing her period.
Someone from the tower yelling "Shit!" has to be scary as hell to hear as a pilot cruising down the runway for takeoff!
Probably just as scary for the ATC as the ground proximity warning alert went off blaring lol
Hahaha you're so funny... -.-
@NathanChambers
About as scary as Putin noticing you as your company marches past the podium, leaning over to one of his generals, pointing you out discreetly and whispering "Him."
Oh my, that was almost another Tenerife disaster! I'm so glad everyone is ok and nothing happened.
Thank you for your work. you have made only quality videos with a new level of 3D visuals and perspectives that are informative for not only everyday viewers but pilots as well. I am a commercial pilot who is working on my CFI certificate and I am doing research on runway incursions for a lesson plan that I will be teaching on my checkride and you are great at explaining the situation and keeping us informed of what is happening! Also you provide a lot of videos with great examples of everyday airport incidents that happen more often than we'd like to think. You're awesome dude!
Many thanks for the kind words, I hope you continue to enjoy the videos!
Bravo! 👏👏
that "SHIT" is exactly what i was thinking
Good thing visibility was good at the airport
I believe JFK has a runway incursion warning system. There were probably alarms going off.
The weather could have been totally different; since we are in new england. Weather can change ever so quickly
“Cancel takeoff clearance!”
(Jet engine noises get louder)
Reverse thrust
Reverse thrust
Reverse thrust
Reverse thrust
Reverse thrust
The dreaded "I have a number for you"
Hey, after that I'd be happy to be able to call a number.
You might only hear that once.
Most appropriate on radio ATC curse I have heard.
That was eary to watch. Thanks tower guys reacted fast as fuck.
Not really, there was a long time between the missed turn and the runway incursion.
Very well produced and explained! High quality as always.
I love how they censor the phone number as if they were cussing at them
Having tower read you a phone number may as well be swearing
"shit" (tower) Is that a standard radio call for a runway incursion on an active takeoff runway?
"hoo for Delta 1943" Is that a standard radio call for a successful rejected takeoff?
I can't find either of those in my manuals.
According to the NTSB, the flight crew of AA106 misunderstood "cross runway 31Left at Kilo" and that somehow meant just cruise on across 4Left. I just... don't understand how you could f that up so badly.
I'll tell you how, WOMEN.
Should be in the kitchen.
Best one of these I've seen. Love the visual layout.
People... actually video makers everywhere, for the sake of viewers and listeners, please can you just mute the audio for the phone number? There's no need to assault my ears with a tone twice as loud as anything else in the video. We get it, don't give out the number, but TEN BEEPS in a row? Come on.
Would like to see that Delta 1943 dashcam!
Another fantastic video! Love the voice over info in the beginning and the brilliant graphics work! 🎉
I don’t have the patience to be in the tower , you guys are a different breed . I would not want to responsibility for that many souls your protect daily . Much respect!
Splendid video. I appreciate the animation, narration and context. A real step forward for ATC channels
5:04 WOw he called them every name in the book! 0_o
😂
thank god for ATCs for saving the moment
It's messed up that the American Airlines flight got to go out after they caused the Delta flight to get delayed.
What's even more messed up? According to the NTSB's preliminary report, the AA flight crew have repeatedly refused to consent to a recorded interview.
I mean... It's not the ATC's job to sentence aircraft to time on ground as punishment lol
@@Freezorgium in a sense it is. Issuing clearances is part of their purview, after all.
@@Freezorgium It wasn't about sentencing. The Delta engines and brakes were pushed basically to the limit which is why the aircraft could not depart. Unfortunately, there was probably not another aircraft available for the flight.
@@pyrioncelendil Airline crews aren't allowed to directly engage with the media
Things you dont want to hear
Girlfriend : I missed my period
Police : You are under arrest.
Tower : I have a number for you to call
Every time something like this happens I’m amazed that it’s even possible. I had always imagined like there was physical barriers retracting or something preventing planes from just making a wrong turn and killing 400 people. Scary to think a simple wrong turn is possible at basically all airports :/
Now you know why every pilot is required to give a CORRECT readback of instructions.
@@spinynorman887doesn’t change the fact that mistakes like this can happen. There should be a better system in place for this by now, like for example having lights at every intersection with a runway.
Looking at this and thinking what would happen if that controller didnt pay attention for....5 more secs.
He deserves a raise!!!!
You would think there would be some official command such as "Abort!" or "Halt!" or something available to controllers for use in such urgent situations rather than the six long syllables of "cancel takeoff clearance". "Shit!" maybe? haha.
I think I heard on a VASAviation video ATC using something like "all stop" or "ground stop" cause yeah, that'd be a hell of a time to trip over call signs
@@footnukethere's another example where tower had cleared two aircraft on crossing runways for takeoff at the same time, ATC just shouts ' STOP STOP STOP'. A bit clearer if you ask me.
That's why you aren't an ATC, since you find tiresome to say three simple words. The terminology is exact to avoid confusion, based on problems occurred in the past, because "stop" or "abort" can mean a huge array of things.
ICAO phraseology is " stop immediately, stop immediately" after take-off roll has commenced. The FAA (as usual) does their own thing.
@cf-yg4bdAlso starting with the word "cancel gives a strong intent as to what is required to be done whilst being clarified with the rest of the phrase.
I am so glad they replaced the phraseology of retracting take-off clearance while on the take-off run. Saying this entire phrase in a panic is really clunky and takes time.
Nowadays it would just be: "American 1943, STOP IMMEDIATELY, American 1943, STOP IMMEDIATELY"
Great presentation, best of all the ATC channels!
Before starting whatever discussions that go on in these calls, I would have opened with the line "Dude, you came within a hair of being plowed'.
I read "Boeing plowed"
It sucks that AAL's screwup cost DAL 14 hours, but AAL got off lickety split.
American 106 took a wrong turn at Holy and Shit.
You do such a great jobs showing what's happening, I'd never be able to understand without the near perfect visual aid. Nice work.
Jaysus! Crossing an ACTIVE runway without being 100% sure of clearance? As an Airside Escort, we were not allowed to cross runways mid field. 4 infractions like this and the airfield loses its status and landings/take offs reduced. In Canada, immediate downgrade of rank and Federal inquiry.. Flying is a serious business!
They were 100% clear of clearance just in the wrong spot not the same thing
Eh? Where was the Ground radar? Hard to believe no ground radar there. Some airfields have sensors so if you intrude on the runway, it sets off an alarm. Just driving past the yellow wog-wags is cause for a federal inquiry. "Clear of clearance"? Makes no sense.@@nataliecharles6988
@@nataliecharles6988 They didn't cross check though which was absolutely an error.
Everyone is tested before being allowed to drive onto the field. A family member had an assigned vehicle and would have to go out on the field to check the work of the handling company subcontractor who would load the planes. Always alert because of so much going on at the same time and safety is number one.
I will never see the report. The Captain typically moves the plane on the ground with the co-pilot running the radios and double checking where they are.
Kinda feel bad for DAL1943. They were in the midst of take off then got blueballed. You know the customers on that flight were pissed they had to wait till the next morning.
I'm kind of surprised the call is "Cancel takeoff clearance" rather than something along the lines of "Stop, stop, stop" or "Reject takeoff." Doesn't quite get across the urgency of the situation.
Well “Cancel takeoff clearance” gets the point across. It literally means you are no longer allowed to takeoff.
Because a pilot knows he has to stop when his takeoff clearance is cancelled. Why potentially confuse him with a non standard sentence and cost important seconds?
It’s most likely standard operating procedures. If the pilots are trained to hear “cancel takeoff clearance” in serious situations then they know to stop immediately.
It is not an SOP, but the law. FAA JO 7110.65AA Section 3-9-11 states:
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Cancel a previously issued clearance for takeoff and inform the pilot of the reason if circumstances require. Once
an aircraft has started takeoff roll, cancel the takeoff clearance only for the purpose of safety.
*PHRASEOLOGY−*
CANCEL TAKEOFF CLEARANCE (reason).
'
Stop is not clear enough, there are many planes moving around on that frequency, but only one taking off. Cancel takeoff points directly to the one plane, without doubt.
It was clearly the American Airlines pilot fault for this almost accident, for missing her right turn and almost causing a sequel to the Tenerife incident
Why did the tower tell American 106 heavy to hold position? Shouldn't they have told them to get off the runway? I mean it looks like American 106 ignored them and went off the runway anyway. Does hold position mean something else in aviation?
I dunno, I'd have expected a command to "clear active and hold" or something like that
No, no - the graphic is a bit behind. ATC said "hold position" - as in, cross the runway, and then hold position. Do not taxi anywhere else.
Why couldn't they just go back in queue and take off after completing the checks? I don't get it.
Either rejected takeoff is considered an incident making pilots unfit for duty for that day. or the maintenance would take so long it would go beyond their shift.
I was surprised that AA106 was allowed to continue to their destination.
Why shouldn't they? If the crew can complete the flight within their allowed duty time, even with a delay, and the aircraft is in working order, there is no reason to prevent them from going.
Aviation incidents and following investigations aren't about blaming someone. They are about finding out *why* something happened. If people keep getting blamed and punished for minor issues, they won't report problems or talk to investigators.
@@magical_catgirl Because the NTSB might have wanted to hear the Cockpit Voice Recorders, which got overwritten now.
@@labbadah3379 I think you may want to research how the FAA and airlines handle “possible pilot deviations”. There are very specific rules and guidelines on how these investigations are conducted and what actions the FAA takes immediately. Pulling a CVR has rules and procedures, it’s not something they just do routinely. Look up Brasher warnings.
The narration suggests the Delta’s flight crew timed out after returning to the gate to run their rejected takeoff checklists and another flight crew wasn’t available for several hours. AA106 had no mechanical issues due to the incident and their company let them resume operation after the investigation phone call. That’s all. It’s not weird at all.
@@labbadah3379 how would you know that...
@@magical_catgirl It's a human factors issue. The fact that they made this error in the first place could be an indication that the crew are fatigued or under pressure. Now add to this that not only have they caused a near catastrophe, which in itself can cause stress or anxiety, but they have an investigation to look forward to, from the FAA AND their own company. These stresses can add up and can compromise the effectiveness of the crew. If they encountered a malfunction or another incident that night, it could be the straw that broke the camels back.
Bad boys, bad boys what you gonna do what you gonna do call the call the tower you screwed up….love your graphic great job..
2:24 "hoo! for DELTA 1943."
ICANT😂
what software you use to create this? Its amazing
The visualisations run in custom software. Glad you're enjoying them!
If i had to guess Id say it's probably a Python script. You can do pretty much anything with Python nowadays
Is it really safe for AAL106 to continue right after being told you might be fired? Would the stress mess with their performance, so should a real disaster strike, they would be on degraded performance handling it?
Yeah, that is a fair question. I wonder if those pilots were fit to fly after the near incident. Perhaps a relief crew should have been called.
Yeah. That scares me about flying, AAL106 crew needed to be checked if they were having a medical or personal issue that made them unfit to fly. They almost killed 200 or so people
If this kind of thing happens to me in a business situation, I get a real high when I'm as competent and able as ATC was here. If this kind of thing happened to me and a few hundred lives were almost lost, I'd need two years off to decompress.
"I have a number for you. Advise ready to copy."
Every pilot on that freq: "Ohhhhh shit, they gonna get it ☠️☠️☠️"
The one minor criticism I'd make is that ATC could have said "Turn right at Kilo then cross 13 left" Rather than just "cross 13 left at kilo" This would have made it slightly clearer that they needed to make a right turn at Kilo.
Is the timing off sync? They are saying hold position when its on the runway, shouldnt they be like get off that shit asap?
Timing is a bit behind. ATC said "hold position" - as in, cross the runway, and then hold position. Do not taxi anywhere else.
So what were the consequences for the flight crew of AAL106?
At each runway intersection there are signs telling you which runway you are about to cross. They should have checked those signs before crossing a runway to make shure you cross the correct runway.
Yep. You have to read back runway crossing clearance, and ideally you would be writing taxi instructions down including what runways you're taxiing over or holding short of. There's not really any excuse for not checking the runway numbers before crossing.
Also, because I went back and checked, even if they messed up and just assumed whatever runway, there was no way to cross 4L using taxiway Kilo, so there were quite a few errors leading up to this.
@@grex2595 for that reason there are 2 pilots in the cockpit, so they can check and challenge each other when 1 is about to make a mistake.
@@michaellange6303 it's more than that. That's part of it, but the bigger reason is that these airplanes are just too complex. Regardless, neither pilot caught the multiple errors. Complacency is a killer in aviation is one of the hazardous attitudes you learn about in your training to become one.
I also don’t understand is that as you approach one of these runways at an intersection, there is normally a callout like, “Approaching Runway Xx” to doubly make sure you are aware of where you are.
Why is there no some kind of lights at every intersection with a runway indicating if the runway can be crossed. There needs to be more redundancy.
ATC here. "AAL106 Hold Position" issued too late. At that point, better to get them off the runway.
Timing of the graphic is a bit behind. ATC said "hold position" after the runway was already crossed.
@@janeryan2709Is the graphic accurate? Seems like they just ignored the hold position command entirely...
5:01 This part is absolutely hilarious if you listen to it with the idea that they're absolutely shittalking each other into the ground so much that it had to be censored.
That's just them sending and repeating a phone number. The phone number is censored to avoid prank calls.
@@2KXMKRssshhh please let me believe this
What happens when an aircraft is in active runway?
Los Rodeos Tenerife airport (Spain) 1977.
"Delta 1943, are you able to taxi, or do you need a couple minutes to run checks? And by 'run checks' I mean use copious profanity and change your pants."
Do they have runway incursion warnings in the tower at JFK?
Per the NTSB report: "The Airport Surface Detection System issued an alert to ATC of a pending conflict and controllers canceled the Delta flight's takeoff clearance;"
what a crazy airport. Could scare you.
2:43 in the background chatter I think you can hear a "who the F*** did something something" it's hard to hear everything. Lol.
The pucker factor is strong with this one
I read somewhere else that American missed their turn AND changed from ground to tower too early….so they never heard the call of the woman ATC to hold position
Great. Now my life has changed forever because someone missed a turn at Kilo.
Good chance pilot saw the plane and started breaking before air traffic control told them
Need to do the fedex one runway incursion
Which app is this to track the flights
You know something spooky was about to happen when the date was Friday the 13th!
Only 137 people on a 777-200 ER…
pretty empty flight to London?
I guess pilots don’t look both ways when crossing the road? 🤷🏼♂️
Time to send them to defensive taxi school…
The another plane was kilometers away
The issue isn't that they didn't look - it is difficult for pilots to tell if an aircraft is facing their direction and holding, or actually moving towards them. The issue is that pilots are supposed to cross check before crossing any runway, which clearly did not happen in this case. They would have realized they were about to cross the wrong runway.
I don’t know anything about planes but why did delta return to the gate and was delayed bc they couldn’t find any crew? Was it bc they had to check the systems after an emergency stop? Shouldn’t it be the AA flight that is sent back to gate and delayed bc of the violation?
"Alright, and uh... 'whew!' ... for DELTA 1943.
That could’ve been catastrophic. Pilot of AA106 should have their license permanently revoked.
Who throws a 737 pilot with 100 hours in a 777 sim right into the big leagues, right seat of a heavy at JFK?
AAL needs to get their shit together. This was too close
Everyone has to step up at some time. How many hours do you want them to have as a 737 pilot and in the 777 sim? 5,000 each? Come on. Only way to learn is to start doing it.
The PIC of the 777 had more than 20,000 hrs, and an extra pilot in the cockpit helping with paperwork. He taxied to the wrong location, and crossed a runway without permission. The right seater had nothing to do with it beyond running the radios, she was talking to the cabin when the incident occurred.
@@MeerkatADV Without all of that, without any hours, the FIRST thing you do before entering any runway or taxiway is look left, look right, make sure that the runway is clear and there are no aircraft about to land or takeoff. That is something you learn like day 1 of flight training
@@Miner-zn4lt Plus cross check, which it doesn't seem like the AA pilots did.
I wonder what they informed the DAL passengers
so the aircraft fucking up departed to london? but the aircraft who did nothing wrong had to go back to gate and got delayed?
Because one aircraft needed heavy brake usage, and a subsequent cooldown period, and the other didn't-
The Delta engines and brakes were pushed basically to the limit which is why the aircraft could not depart. Unfortunately, there was probably not another aircraft available for the flight.
You never want to hear “oh shit” in any type of job. I use to work in the operating room at a large hospital and “oh shit”, meant this will not be a good day and to start praying for a successful patient outcome to the issue. I was able to help save many patient’s lives because I prayed a lot and knew how to make split second decisions to save lives.
So what happened to the AA pilots?
That maze of taxiways is no joke am I'm not surprised people make mistakes.
you never enter a runway without permission from the tower. runways are clearly marked from taxiways.
It is a maze and it’s easy get confused, but you have to take that into consideration when operating there, if in doubt get clarification. You can hear the realisation in the captains voice when he realises he was supposed to be taxiing to 04L
@@zedwhitepawandfriends1607 They were given permission to cross a runway though. The runway on the other side. That's why the AA captain seemed confused. Unfortunately, it seems like the AA pilots did not cross check which all pilots are supposed to do before crossing any runway.
@@janeryan2709they were supposed to cross 31 left and depart 4 left, but they did it the other way around instead
@@flallana18 Yeah, that's what I said?
Question: why did the Delta flight go back to the gate? The narrator said “with no crew available” they had to cancel and leave the next day. Could they not have just taken off once the runway was clear?
They already used fuel and their brakes were probably heavily used. And tbh neither of these crews should have flown immediately afterwards, just on a psychological level
Holy cow! Those pilots should be in a lot of trouble. Missing your turn is one thing, but crossing the wrong runway is completely unacceptable.
Not an expert but is there not a way for this to be primarily via cell or another clearer transmission - or even a digital confirmation button in the aircraft - the readback from American 106 was so jarbled.
it's shitty because this is recorded from an amateur radio somewhere outside the airport, it's usually crystal clear in the tower, at least with commercial aircraft who have high quality radio equipment and headsets. sometimes it may sound like crap with old radio equipment on tiny private aircraft, or noisy helicopters.
Just look at that graphic and tell me you're capable of doing the job of an Air Traffic Controller. If it were me there would be airplanes crashing and burning. The amount of responsibility these guys have just blows my mind.
Wait so did that AA plane actually violate the instructions or not? They said they were told to proceed across the runway
They were cleared to cross 13/31 and taxi to 04L but they crossed 04L and taxied to 31L
0:59 is the route they were supposed to take but somehow missed a right turn 1:52
They were given permission to cross runway 31L, but got confused and crossed 4L instead. That's why the AA captain seemed confused. Unfortunately, it seems like the AA pilots did not cross check which all pilots are supposed to do before crossing any runway.
What was the resolution of the Pilot Deviation?
FO had increased workload due to brand new procedures by carrier which required her to interrupt takeoff checklists. FO was new to the plane and had just read a 35 page change order bulletin. Captain had to make left and right turn quickly and couldn’t see stop bars, nor could relief pilot, plus they had just changed freq and did not hear Delta 1943 takeoff clearance. APA has been fighting these changes on appeal.
Unsure of resolution as they’re usually confidential.
No current resolution. AA flight crew facing subpoena for their testimony as they've repeatedly refused to consent to a recorded interview.
Wait, what happened to the 1943 crew that they couldn't continue the flight?
This is 3rd hand information, but apparently it’s Delta policy. Reject takeoff above 80kts and that shift is over for that crew.
How hard is it for a plane that size to reject a takeoff? Those brakes must've been smoking.
past a certain speed, its not possible
I wanted to search for a follow up in the comment but this just happened! I m curious to know who is responsible
I think the instructions from ATC were pretty clear: They gave instruction to the 777 cross rwy 31L and NOT 4L
I don’t think you’re likely to find out what happened to the flight crew of AA106 if that’s what you mean. There’s a negotiated union limit to what sort of corrective action information is made public about flight crews.
AA just missed to hearing the letter K as it is the last in the sentence. The pilot heard permission to cross without hearing At K. It’s a very difficult job as an ATC and also being a pilot
Am I the only person who noticed the 737 had more passengers than the 777?
I did too! Too funny!
I was once on a BA 777 flight where it was only about 1/2 full, it felt quite eerie considering that I’ve travelled that route multiple times and it’s normally full.
My dad once had a super delayed flight, but it had to be completed (positioning, regulatory, hub to hub). 12. I don't know if it was a wide body or a standard body, but everyone got first class service.
@@tech34756 I remember in the late 80's and early 90's when we would fly to Spain yearly, one year we were on a 747 that could only have been about 25% full. I remember all the rows in the back being empty and I (who was about 8 years old) took all the pillows and made a giant nest of pillows to sleep on. Great fun.