ARROW: A LOVE HATE RELATIONSHIP (Video Essay)
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- My community asked about my thoughts on CWs Arrow so here are my thoughts on the series in a nutshell... It's always been sort of a love hate relationship. #arrowverse #thecw #dctv
Arrow is a CW TV show that started the Arrowverse. The Arrowverse is a series of connected shows using DC comic book characters starring Steven Amell (Oliver Queen), Emily Bett Richards (Felicity Smoak), David Ramsey (John Diggle) and more.
00:00 - The Intro
2:45- The Obsession
6:19 - The Suspension of Disbelief
10:26 - The Fumble Recovery
13:56 - Final Thoughts
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Did you loose smell or taste too? 😅
@@zed6709 haha thankfully. I lost a little taste faintly but it wasn't completely gone
dont take that vaxx homie. Trust me lol Enjoyed the video new subscriber!
Keep making vids! No one covers CW on UA-cam its so under-appreciated lol your thoughts are organized and your opinions are thorough and backed by evidence. A sound video essay :)
Although it won’t happen, I’d be open to Amell playing the DCEU version of Green Arrow. Id love to see him with better writing and a higher budget.
I'm not. He's had an absurdly long time as the character. Give someone else a chance.
@@zachryder3150 I would prefer that too (Charlie Hunnam is the popular fan-casting choice I believe) but if they were to ever go with Amell I think he would work well within the DCEU.
I would have like that a while back while he was still active. But now that it's over I'd rather see them let the character rest a few years and bring in someone else for a movie. I would like to see Amell be in the movie though. Nothing major just something to "tip the hat" so to speak
I would too, if it the opportunity presented itself 5 years ago. Not be an asshole, but he looks like shit now.
I'm with Patty J, it'd be dope as hell to see an actual fully funded movie with like the Russo Brothers writing the script or directing! It would be bad ass!
Season 1, 2, and 5 are amazing. Adrian chase is my favorite villain, the actor did such a good job
Same
I agree with this
Dude I know I was exhausted after season 4 but then season 5 I was so drawn in again it was awesome.
Yea those where the seasons were I was on the edge of my seat and binged it, but the other were okay for first watch
Season 6 was great as well
I'll never forget felicity is one of the few characters I had a complete 180 response to going from loving and rooting for her relationship to utterly hating her and her being the reason i actually dropped the show
Me too! That whining every episode was exhausting.
When I say this video makes me feel seen…
I can’t count how many times I caught myself yelling at the screen “Why is he Batman? Why must they ALL be Batman?” It’s like every protagonist in the Arrowverse eventually merged to have one personality.
Yeah most of them have the same setup and journey
And yet the show that's actually supposed to be an extension of Batman's mythos is an absolute joke that shits all over everything it can.
@@ginge641 I could only tolerate that mess for one episode and that was only the obligatory check in so I could keep up with the constant crossovers
@@samanthawilliams549 Bruh it's a fucking DELIGHT to get absolutely wasted and watch through Batwoman like it's an accidental comedy.
@@ginge641 I think I just found how I’m going to spend the rest of my weekend😂
I always felt like the need for flashbacks every episode was a hindrance. It was fine early on but when they committed to doing them EVERY episode they burned through a LOT of potential stories in a short period of time.
Yeah I feel that. I liked it in the first half. Unfolded more info as time went on
I used to adore arrow, season 1-3 we're honestly the best in my opinion, but arrow is a perfect example of a show that went on for too long.
Personally thought it should have finished with season four. Then change the title to something like "Star city outsiders" and maybe have Oliver now mayor and changing the system from within, cameo in the first few seasons.
Same. Should be ended after the bounce back of season 5
@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV i like 6 and 7.. theyre not the overwhelming joy of 1-2 but theres definitely strength in those seasons
I think season 5 was up there with the first 3. But I can understand what you mean. That being said I think Flash is a better example of a show that went on too long
@@cheekyscrub9102 Should have finished with season 2. Followed by a ten episode mini series event, focusing on flashpoint.
Stephen Amell acted his ass off in Arrow. He was always good, often great, and sometimes awesome. The scene in season 2 when his mom tells him that she knows he’s Arrow...watching Amell’s face in that moment was an example of just world-class acting. So I couldn’t agree more with your overall assessment, especially on the actors.
I actually really liked the take of giving Green Arrow such a gritty start, initially with a downward spiral, but as he grew, he slowly, but surely ascends into Superherodom. Like he literally starts as a playboy, gets isolated, becomes a killer out of necessity, makes some connections before returning home revenge fueled.
The dude starts out like Batman, but then becomes an all round healthier person. He disproves Batman and other heroes who think they can't be happy. They must be solitary figures, blah, blah, blah.
II was so invested in his hero journey of becoming the Green Arrow we know and love. It was even divided into phases. He's the criminal/ killer the Hood. Got to rebrand because the name was perverted by killers. He is the anti-hero/vigilante, the Arrow. And finally the Hero, Green Arrow.
But executive meddling muddled it all up. They switched directors and went in a whole different direction so when he literally became Green Arrow, I felt nothing. I mean, Season 3 and 4 are bad, but I liked the concept and overall direction that season 3 needs to be Oliver's darkest hour/moments and season 4 overcorrecting his past behavior, but struggling to find balance. So season 5 becomes introspective with Oliver reflecting on all that has happened in the 5 years since he returned home. It's the same amount of time he spent on the island and has transformed just as much since then and has once again become something else. Someone else. The Green Arrow.
(Immediately though, season 5 spat in the face of his development and returned to season 1's killer and said this is your hero, right! I am still mad about a lot of season 5 which made me drop the show, but I am not getting into it!)
I was so on-board with this response until the last paragraph you put haha. I love Season 5! I always interpreted Oliver’s return to killing as part of an addiction. He was able to conquer it for a while, but as soon as he did it once (Damian Darhk), it was easier to continue justifying it, leading to where he find him in Season 5.
I agree with you on the introspection with the character, though! I love how we got to go to the core reason why Oliver began killing in the first place and seeing how that affected him in the present.
@@FreddyAndBessy Oh, i didn't think of it like an addiction, I thought of it like they were desperately regressing the character and trying to course correct the show back into the grittiness that the show and character have LONG since outgrew. No one likes it when the main character regresses just for views. Ben 10 comes to mind.
That is an interesting view I hadn't considered before. That's a good concept for the 5th season, him closing that chapter in his life by overcoming that killing addiction. (Admittedly, I barely remember season 5 now, so I can't really say much on that matter)
Still hate how the show changed direction from the original plan they had set up and what it became because the directors had already told us what to expect and had us invested in that journey. Season 5 should've been when the comic book persona finally melded with the show's version. Where this Olver finally becomes fully recognizable as the Green Arrow we all know and love rather than the nicknamed Green Batman that critics call him.
No matter how well or badly this show ages, the season 1 and 2 finales can never be taken away from us. Also the season 5 finale is the best 44min in the entire Arrowverse and it's not even close (Superman & Lois might beat it one day though).
Yeah 1 2 and 5 were are some really good Tv
@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV I argue that the first half of 7 was good asf too.....until after Oliver left the prison. Then it became boring and repetitive.
@@kevintyson1947 yeah I like some of season 7. Just didn't think the big villain was very interesting
Arrow is definitely my favorite Arrowverse show, but the campy/soap opera-ish did wear on me. I often wonder why live shows don't take the "villain of the week" approach that animated shows used. You can still get character development and character driven stories, while keeping things fresh with a different villain/problem each episode.
Yeah it's definitely much easier to adapt that way
Loved seasons 1, 2, 3, 5, and even 7 and 8 were pretty cool with prison and his kids, but 4 and 6 were letdowns IMO
I used to remember liking season 3. But with every rewatch I liked it less and less. Loved 1,2 & 5, liked 7 and 8
@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV Season 6 episode 4 had the best scene in the whole show, the one with deathstroke and the jackals
@@fortnite.burger that was episode 5 iirc
@@Dhruv-qw7jf sorry, my bad
The underutilisation of "league of assassins" and "helix" is really unforgivable i had always this problem with arrow they don't know how to utilise villans
Yeah the CW in general really lol
@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV cw is the pineapple in Pizza .
Every Season of Arrow was great, Season 4 was just the only season the show scooted down to the level of the other Arrowverse shows surrounding it.
I respectfully disagree but I'm glad you enjoyed it all to that extent
Arrow had plenty of problems, but it still made Oliver Queen my favorite super hero. Even if it is a Batman clone version.
same
The suspension of disbelief and narrative vs character stuff is everything I have been thinking for years but never been able to put into words.
S1 & 2 were absolutely amazing,it was a new take on the chracter and I adored it
S5 was probably the best,had fantastic writing and a fresh and well written villain
s8 didn't feel as real as some of the other seasons,but i absolutely loved it
+ an amazing video is always
the way they used Ra's will forever piss me
I enjoyed all of those seasons too. And yeah they wasted Ras. I appreciate it!
Arrow had so much heart still a show that I can go back and watch
same
The only reason Damian Dhark worked at all was because of Neil McDonough. The guy made what would’ve otherwise been a mediocre villain at best pretty decent if not good.
Yeah he killed it. Just wish he was written better
I loved the first two seasons because it was MAINLY a new take on green arrow then they decided in s3 that they would make him watered down Batman with batman's story with Ra's al Ghul. S4 was Terrible, s5 had potential with its villain but like the rest of the CW DC show they eventually turn into ensemble show. The rest of the show to me was just meh.
I found season four salvageable, as a stopping. With Oliver's story ending with him becoming Mayor.
There are many other Batman storylines that would've been better suited for the show.
No Man's Land is the best example
Arrow seasons 1, 2 and 5 are awesome!
Arrow season 3 is okay.
Arrow season 4 is 🤮
Haven’t seen Arrow seasons 6 or 7 yet. I do plan to finish it someday though.
0:09-0:24 literally me. Actually uploading a video about the Arrowverse shows at the moment 😂
😂🤣
I started tapping out of this show when they started making Green Arrow Batman
Exactly 💯
He was basically Batman from day 1
Those first two seasons were awesome regardless of it being on the CW. The second was great love Deathstroke plus Manu Bennett brought that ferocity
EDIT- I believe Felicity saved Oliver with The Atoms suit which is even worse.
Arrow should've been about a random, unknown dc character (like spartan) and turned them into a batman stand in, so they could arrow for later as a proper adaptation. And It should've taken inspiration form BTAS season 1, with how its directed and also having good, 1 off episodes.
I agree with this Video
but for me it still would have been a very good tv show had they not changed it from based around the green arrow to based around Oliver and felicity.
Arrow is my favourite show, the dark tone, acting, characters, and storylines were all great, it had some down seasons like 4 and 6 but for the most part it told refreshing stories and were creative and I really enjoyed S8 which paid tribute to the show while serving the final storyline, and the action choreography on the show was on another tier
The IDW Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comics had a great storyline of Master Splinter becoming the Foot Clan leader, and it showed me that there could have been a great storyline of Oliver being part of the League of Assassins, instead of the disappointing one we got.
Yeahh would be interesting to see him use the league
He's a hero though
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 So? If you are the Demon's Head, then the League is whatever you want it to be (assuming you don't get usurped).
Loved Arrow. My favorite show. Ik other shows are better as far as writing and budget but I have more of a connection with arrow. Great vid!
That's dope, glad it resonated with ya. And I appreciate it 🤙🏾
I didn't really like arrow (didn't hate it, I had a complicated relationship with it like yku) til I finally saw season 2 very very recently. I didn't realize how much Oliver was truly humanized in that season. I assumed he'd be like his season 1 version. But he's far better. He's still a son. A brother. A man. A boy. Whatever you wanna call it, he has emotions and is an actual person.
I had only seen the flashback scenes of seasons 1 and 2, seen a good amount of good season 1 episodes, season 5 which I loved because I hated Oliver killing but honestly it's nowhere near as good as season 2.
And ofc some episodes of season 7 was good.
1,2,5 are good. The jail element of 7 was good too
amazing review, it’s structured very well and I agree with all of your points
Yeah I agree arrow I feel was very grounded for a show of its time when back then there wasn't as many comicbook TV shows whereas you see it now everywhere mainly on streaming
I think it's too bad that Arrow have gotten hate that doesn't deserve,in the first place,during this years I saw a lot of superficiality, insults and comments with no argumentation,full of nostalgia and many times stupidity or hypocrisy and so on,I saw a really toxic audience,and second,we have to consider that Marvel was(and still is)the one in charge,with the greatest success,on the other side DCEU was so problematic and have gotten a lot of shit,then Netflix is the most popular steaming service in the world,and so on.I personally think that the only mistake was season 4,and fortunately the 5th fixed everything, then as its characters and situations the show evolved,the fact is,Arrow's journey was unreachable,incomparable,it changed me like I never would've expected and like nothing else did. Oliver's whole journey and evolution,everything he has been trough,lost, changed,faced,strugge with, defeated,who he was, who he became, what he became,and how,then the complexity into interpersonal relationships, conflicts,differences in methods or choices,forgiveness,mistakes and flaws,guilt,negative and bad sides, redemption,delicate trust, the subtle treatment of right and wrong,law,necessary or not necessary unorthodox approaches to fight the scum,or working together despite risks or issues,the greatly impacting motivation and perseverance,how greatly they explored the vigilante figure, all there's around it and its complications,how incredibly they connected the storytelling between past and present,the many symbols and messages,villains like Slade Wilson,Adrian Chase(or what about the freaking"Emerald Archer" documentary)are just few of the many things that makes this series and these characters so special, unic,real,extraordinary,SOMETHING ELSE,and the amazing music fits perfectly with all of it.
While a lot of these shows are chessie but even today I still am interested most of the time
Not as invested as I used to be but I still tune in from time to time
The martial arts choreography on Arrow was pretty good. Oliver was the super playboy until he fell in love with Felicity. It then got pretty cliché
I think ARROW and Agents of SHIELD are what paved the way for the current golden era of superhero TV we are living in.
It’s just a shame that ARROW became a shell of its former self after a while.
Same. I only kept up with The Flash because of Arrow. Now I haven't updated myself on the other shows in a minute
Interesting thing that Felicity and Iris West had/have in common: early in their respective shows guys like me would look at both women and think "Man, she's gorgeous" and possibly the two most attractive women in the Arrowverse (at least IMO) but then their characters became super unlikeable in later seasons as the shows went on (I still cringe when I think back to that "We're the Flash" line lol). Kind of a random thing but it just popped in my head watching this.
Felicity was never as cringe as "we are the flash" ever. The disrespect.
Felicity was cool the first 2 season. Mainly bad in 3 & 4. She got a little better after those. Iris was may be a little worse. But Yeahh pretty similar journeys
@@NERDYB4ITWASCOOLTV yes same point and tbh honestly her character got the worst storyline arc in arrow so badly written in season 3 ,4
I just love how u put your ideas out. Very well analysed. Stephen Nailed the character. My 2nd favourite character was Malcolm Merlin, but they wasted it. Also after 3rd season Olicity stuff really got annoying 😅
Great video bud! I truely loved S1&2 and if you had asked me "what was the best show on television?" I would have unironically answered "Arrow". As far as I'm concerned season three was the end of the "arrow trilogy". The writers all but threw their hands up and said "we are out of ideas" and LITERALLY had Ollie and Felicity drive off into the sunset.! All that was missing was ""THATS ALL FOLKS!"
Honestly I was just happy to have any TV show that took a DC Superhero seriously and I watched until the bitter end. And by Bitter End I mean killing off the first hero and the namesake of the arrowverse OFF F'N SCREEN therefore doing the dirtiest of dirty to WB and our hero. BUT say what you will about Arrow, it had bright spots throughout every single season whether it was a character we've never seen or nod to DC lore it was fun and you could tell that the writers and its lead star (very rare)cared about the comics and cared about the fans.
okay so i started watching Arrow when season 5 came out. so I don't have too much of a opinion on the first 4 seasons sadly but season 5 so its still my favorite season of arrow! season 6 and 7 were okay for me as well, i just never really thought about them too much after the series ended. now season 8, i fucking love. yes the season was short and focused on Mia Queen a lot but that's what really made me love the season because Mia was carrying on his legacy. I especially love the final 10 minutes of the series finale. it basically wrapped everything up in a nice way and made me so hyped when Diggle got that ughhhhhh Green ring 👀👀👀👀the season was basically a love letter to the fans, there's literally nothing more I could have asked for other than a Slade Wilson cameo! dammit
Yeah S5 was good. And I liked what the did with season 8. Kept it short and sweet, a lot of Easter eggs and fan service
Dope vid man! Was waiting on this one
Thanks for always tuning in my man
2:40 so you were hoping the show to be like... 'something else'? 😀
Re: the Batman and Arrow thing, I always described CW Arrow as a 'dumber, more brutal Batman' which I actually liked because that made it more realistic for me
Used to love Arrow as well it was one of my favorite shows of all time and helped me get through a really hard time. I just wish they would have stopped at Season 5. 1, 2, and 5 were great.
Season 1-3 we’re amazing. Then it became shit. Season 1-2 we’re so brutal and sweet fight scenes and the camera angels and cinematography were so good.
I agree with everything you said in this video, great points. Also I really hope your channel blows up man, I can see how much hard work you put into your videos and you’re definitely my favorite creator I’ve found recently.
Much appreciated! Thanks for the support 🤙🏾
I liked 1-3. Had to pull the pin halfway through 4 when wheelchair-bound Felicity broke up with Oliver and that was her Phoenix Moment so she could walk again. It got old really quickly that whatever the show needed him to do which he'd never been able to was conveniently solved with a flashback. It didn't feel genuine after a while, just plot hole patching.
Every show has suspension of disbelief.
A lot to unpack with arrow,
Imo those who say it was only liked because we were all younger in the first few seasons and matured out of the show so that’s why we thought the later seasons were worse but it was really the same bad show the whole time is wrong imo. As a guy who can’t really watch movies or shows more than a couple of times before it gets boring and less likable to me, the second third and fourth times I watched arrow seasons 1 and 2, they were still solid imo. To me, after the first few times I watch something I can’t watch it too many times over before I start disliking it, so when I watched Arrow and flash for the first time (seasons 1 and 2 only) they were way better than the following times i rewatched them. However, both shows just fall off a cliff after their second seasons and are unwatchable to me. I’ve only rewatched a few episodes here and there once or twice from those shows because after watching them for the first times, I knew I didn’t have to watch them again to know they sucked.
Looking back, both shows are just filled with tons of untapped potential. I wish arrow used the whole first season as Oliver working alone and narrating the episodes like he does for the first four of the show before diggle joins him. I love diggle (in seasons 1&2) but I thought Oliver alone was just so much better and more fun than whenever he had other people helping him (not as in going to ask lance for help once in a while, as in the whole “team arrow” bs). Another problem is obviously the amount of episodes and the time of each episode, as u can easily watch every episode in 15-25 minutes and skip many of the scenes because it’s just useless filler that doesn’t really change or impact the story. I did think the overall main story of s 1&2 were very good but I never liked how every season has to have a city or world wide stakes on the line. Doing that over and over just makes it feel less impactful and meaningful. It’s the same as anything else, the more it’s done, the less special it is. I didn’t like Sarah at all in s 2 and I thought Roy was misused in s 2 as well. I thought giving him the syrum was a mistake and he should’ve been just taken in and trained properly without dealing with that syrum, it was just unnecessary and didn’t develop his character well imo. Even in s 3, I just feel they didn’t really have Oliver and Roy form a strong connection and we really should’ve felt them as partners more. That all ties into the cw’s need to give every show a team tho. Which is why I thought Oliver should’ve been completely alone in s 1 and only have him and Roy in s 2 and beyond and maybe add in diggle a little bit. I also liked Tommy’s character and his development, as for the majority of s1 he was a mystery imo, we didn’t really know what side he was on or if he was somehow connected to the villain etc. He was kind of ruined with the whole laurel love triangle thing, but his friendship with Oliver and his character growth was good and I think he was missed in the later seasons. A mistake to kill him off imo. I also think they played with Oliver’s identity being discovered far too many times, and didn’t give Oliver enough time as the man running his company. I always thought the episodes where Oliver was working with lance on the dl was way better than the cops being after him all the time. They shows need to create conflicts between characters was also annoying, as I thought it would’ve been cool to see the Oliver Roy vs the world dynamic and yes they should have the occasional disagreement, but having arguments that don’t actually impact the story and are resolved the same episode are just unnecessary. Their moral principles could’ve been in conflict once and a while as that’s human nature, but the show never lets us see them be successful imo. It always feels like there’s never really a victory until the season finale. I thought that Oliver was a much more fun character in s1 then every other season because he’s just locked in 100% and has a specific purpose and after that so much outside shit just changes him and pulls him away from what he used to be and it’s less fun. I thought the mythical set up he had for most of s 1 was much more fun than all the rest of the show, where he is always hiding in the dark and trying to avoid being seen by everyone. And I would’ve accepted him not being like that anymore if he was actually working with the police full time and they backed him, but they didn’t so his willingness to be out in the open more and be seen by anyone and everyone just made no sense.
I’m not even gonna talk about the other seasons because to me they’re just bad in every possible aspect.
Agree overall. Season 1,2,5 are awesome. Even outstanding in parts.
Season 6,7,8 were solid with some of the best action scenes on a normal TV show.
Season 3 and 4 were pretty bad.
I very much appreciated you expressing your views on this show and I believe you made some excellent points.
Thanks for tuning in 🤙🏾
I still love it to this day
I still love certain parts. I rewatch occasionally
I can’t believe ur channel blew up nice job man!
Great video man. Looking forward to the next one
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Also the fact that Deadshot was dropped ( I get because of the Suicide Squad movie) but they did a great job of fleshing out that character that I feel he should have been a larger part of that world esp after we found out Diggle's bro wasn't killed by Deadshot
I totally agree with you about Season 3 being the worst. (Felicity made me want to tear my hair out)
But I'm not gonna lie, the only thing that got me through that season was Laurel taking the Black Canary mantle.
I loved that we got to see her struggle with it and taking those boxing lessons to help her cope with Sara's death, that by the end of the season, she was a bad-ass fighting machine.
Too bad it didn't last long *cough s4 *cough
Yeah that was a cool aspect. It had a couple redeeming qualities just didn't like it as a whole
I really enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for tuning in 🤙🏾
Thankyou
For making this video
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Well I actually remember the "green arrow stole Batemans villains" argument started with deathstroke and this still happens today because a lot of batman fans forget deathstroke is not one of batmans villains he is a teen titans villain the complaints came in HARD with ras which yea absolutely ra's is like mostly batman very rarely fighting other heroes
Fully agree with the suspension of disbelief segment.
Although the constant camera flips within the essay got a bit jarring at a point.
Love your content.. i started to watch btas becoz of your video..man that show is a banger.. thank you for that video..
Appreciate that! And yeah man it's a gem. One of my favorites shows
I kinda buy Oliver's brooding personality in Arrow, his experience on the Island, with Argus, that would leave one with a severe case of PTSD, so much so that being the jokey guy would be a mask.
And I'll admit it, I would have rather they had hired Marie Avgeropoulos from the 100, and cast her as Helena Wayne from Earth 2 who got left on Earth Prime after Crisis.
I found this more in the flash than with arrow but they didn't really use there time well in later seasons. They had 40 minutes per episode but as the show went on it felt like they were just trying to fill the time in with some repeating gags or some character drama that I've now seen 1000 times
Yeah the flash had a lot of the same issues but cranked up to 10
Another great video! Would love to see you do one of these for the flash as well.
"Let's make show about everyone EXCEPT Batman"
Thats what it is
A large problem is that American shows gotta take any concept and stretch it to the max. So a show, especially a comic driven one, that could be done in a tight 10/11 episode per season, gets dragged out to 20+. Anime uses their filler to at least throw in some funny episodes or gags. But with broadcast tv, that filler gets turned into an extra dozen unnecessary episodes of will they won’t they, or your ex girlfriend dying at sea who turns out to be alive who dies again after you banged her after you cheated on her sister again who also dies but comes back as a evil doppelgänger who you would bang but can’t because of her unresolved daddy issues which gets him killed before she too also dies again as well 🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
Lol yeah pretty much it in a nutshell
i know that the arrowverse isnt perfect, but it entertains me. Some Seasons of Flash/Arrow were really good. Other Arrowverse shows were pretty decent, too. However, Legends of Tomorrow is currently my favorite. I hate that it is under the radar but hell its great!
Seasons 1, 2, 5, and start on 7 (until he got out of prison) were actually quite good.
Season 6 made me give up on Arrow for a while though. I got through approx. half of the season. The episode where they had the big fight in the woods with OGs vs. "noob team" where Wild dog goes at Oliver with a hatchet and gets hiss ass handed to him so bad that he ends up in hospital and then Dinah gets in Oliver's face that it's his fault was the pinnacle of stupidity.
Only good thing about season 4 was Matt Ryan as Constantine.
Your videos on the arrowverse are awesome! and I loved how you mention the "comic" version of Green arrow. I would BEG of you to PLEASE make more videos talking about the comic counterparts of Arroverse characters and where the shows got their "ideas" from. Like a rundown of how "Crisis on infinite earths" played out in the comics as suppose to the CW shows. Thanks!
Where to start, first off thanks for the video. I always enjoy a good video that brings me back to when Arrow first kicked it all off. I wasn't as big of a DC fan before I started watching Arrow, so I'll always be thankful that Arrow was what brought me into that universe. As you mentioned the first 2 season really were amazing, especially when you consider that they were on CW. I wish that streaming was where it is now, back when Arrow started. The thought of getting a higher budget season with less limits is something I continue to wait for(outside of the few we've gotten featuring smaller characters like Peacemaker). Flash was another show that I fell in love with, but ended up having the same issues as later seasons went on. Looking back on both shows I remember being so excited as each new season premiered, only to get disappointed. I have a hard time understanding how you can start so strong, but continue to fumble the ball when there's tons of history that can be used if they ever ran out of ideas. When it comes down to it, there's so much that goes into making a show and I know that I personally couldn't do a better job. Both Stephen Amell, Grant Gustin and so many of the actors/actresses did a great job with what they were given and these shows will always hold a special place in my heart.
this is exactly how i feel. thank you for making this
Thanks for tuning in 🙌🏾
Netflix's Daredevil is how Arrow should have been. Seasons 1 and 2 prove that, despite some cheesiness and poor dialogue.
Nope daredevil was way better than arrow 's any season
@@divineflu34567 That's literally what I said.
My biggest issue was them basically dropping the list, like sure you should have had the side quest here and there but that should have been the focus. Also abandoning the Arrow and Canary relationship makes season one almost a separate universe
Great video, I think Arrow should've either ended in 5 seasons, maybe if they skipped 3, 4 and 6 the story could've been more rounded and better suited for what they were trying to do also we should've gotten a more comicbook accurate Oliver where he was ore jokey and light hearted, but then we would've had complete parallels with the Flash even canonoically I think they are more similar in the comics then we got in the Arrowverse. So that being said I enjoyed what we got maybe if they waited until after Daredevik we have gotten something more ground and less Dark Knight like. Daredevil broke ground in many ways I believe that Arrow did too, but we gor two different animals there where one tried to be like another character completely and the other did its own thing so all in all without one we may have not gotten he other, tbh.
Hit pretty on the head. Only thing I really disagree with is the Batman thing. I never really thought that he was trying to make him like Batman more then they were trying to make him the leader of the arrow verse. I get there’s some parallels but the traditional green arrow in the comics isn’t gonna be the guy who other arrow verse heroes look to in times of Crisis to me.
I wanted to re-subscribe as soon as I heard “I love me some Legend of Tomorrow”. The under-appreciation of this absurdly FANTASTIC show. 🤗
Haha legends video definitely coming soon
hey man @NERDY B4 IT WAS COOL just wanted to say I'm thankful for these vids you're putting out. These give great commentary and justice to shows I've enjoyed for quite a sizeable period of time. Great points too about Arrow being a so heavily based on Batman. Kinda similar with how Supergirl's Kara was kinda forced to be a girl Clark Kent.
Love these shows and your vids help the community of fans stay active through these discussions. Cheers, man!
1-2 and 5 are so good, how tf they show dipped so hard after??
Because they didn't changed their formet tbh season 2,1 is corny from today's pov only season which would be good 5,6b and 7a and 8 rest is garbage
I broke off with this early into season 4. One of the things that bothered me the most was how every supporting character was turned into a superhero. I could suspend my disbelief and accept a billionair playboy training for years and becoming a badass super ninja - but then, his sister? Her boyfriend? His ex-girlfriend? His DEAD girlfriend?! This is just a sign of a writers' room that is all out of ideas.
Cool video I talk about each of these seasons all the time
What you said about Batman had me saying “Yes! Oh my god YESS!!!” Those have been my exact thoughts since I watched the show. It’s the main reason I stopped watching it! I tell people this all the time. And this is the first video I watched that actually addresses that. It’s extremely annoying to me and possibly the most annoying thing a TV show has ever done 🙄
I don’t care what anyone says. The first 2 seasons were amazing. I loved them.
The fact it was 22 episodes a year it shouldn’t work but they still pulled it off. They deserve a award for that. But as 3 wasn’t that good and 4 sucked Amell acting got so good and he was the best part of any of the shows. Arrow was the only show I stuck with. Video so far is 1000% right
Now I will watch Arrow
Nice video. Agreed with almost everything. seasons 1 2 and 5 were the best. s3 and s4 were the worst. oliver was written dumb and weak. the relationship drama was written poorly which obviously caused felicity character to be affected.
s6 was meh to me. it could have been better if the newbies (dinah,rene,curits) were not written poorly. s7 was better than s6 coz of the prison storyline and mia-william plot in the future.
s8 was meh for me as well simply coz i did not like the main plot of the season.
You should do a video-essay about Legends of Tomorrow; I think now it is one of the best shows of the arroverse by focusing on being funny and orginal , even the soap opera stuff are presented in a funny way so that it isn´t as annoying like in other shows.
8:27 for all these years only we Indians were forced to watch these shows & cry in some corner but am glad that now entire world is getting the taste of it :)
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Great video! Big fan of the Arrow show. I didn’t even know the show existed but once I found out, I binge watched the first two seasons on Netflix. Batman being my favorite superhero, I wasn’t too mad about the obvious comparisons when the story of the show was done well. I loved seasons 1, 2, 5 and liked 3, 8 but all the other seasons really fell flat to me. It definitely has it flaws, like every CW show it seems. After the show ended, I lost interest in the other Arrow-verse shows, except for seasonal crossovers (which latest Flash Armageddon was very underwhelming) and occasionally watching Legends.
For me I stirred away from the arrowverse to other shows that's until they made Superman & Lois and stargirl
If you loved early arrow check out banshee. It might not be a super hero show but it seriously has the gritty action and story that I missed from this shows early season so much.
I feel like the show’s biggest detriment was the fandom. I used to love this show but after a while I lost interest when I realized that the writing staff were serving the fans more than the characters.
Yeahh sometimes listening to fans isn't always a good thing. Especially when they are majority teenagers lol
Fan Service was often used to cover up bad writing
ngl season 7 with oliver in prison episodes were so fire
You nailed it, Arrow Season 1&2 were so good. It's the same with the Flash season 1 and 2. For me it was even harder in Arrow Season 3, seeing Stephen Amell trying his best to sell the whole league of assasins plot but it was just so convoluted, that it made no sense in the end. I also think season 4 wasn't as bad, but the change in tone and off-putting visuals (idk man season 4 just had a weird vibe :D) of this season really threw my expectations for season 5 into the gutter.. But god damn season 5 felt so good again, an awesome villain, better executed characters, way better dialogue and so on. It felt like the show I felt in love with again. And I still don't know what to think about season 6&7. They were interesting and 7 made a decent job to introduce season 8 as the series finale. Season 8 was also so cool, and like you said, it felt like a farewell from Stephen, who kinda looked bored in season 7 sometimes. I was glad that they decided to keep the finale shorter and don't fill the season with useless nonsense. Arrow was a good one. Thank you for your honest portrait of the show, one can tell you love the show and the characters. It's greatly appreciated.
Prometheus actually had me like wtf man how's oliver going to get out of this
My favorite version of Arrow/Oliver Quinn is the one from Smallville 💕
arrow would’ve been much better if they never expanded the arrow verse
Yeah. They but off more than they could chew.
Season 3 is when Daredevil came out. I remember I waited for the mid-season finale before watching DD and when Queen fell off that cliff I was shocked... but then DD showed me that hallway... and I questioned everything Arrow was doing afterwards. I stayed all the way through, but I kept telling everyone who'd listen that the Arrowverse shows need to be cut down to like 13 eps a season or something.
Totally agree with everything
Great video dude really enjoyed this one. I stopped watching after season 6 I found it difficult to follow since it had so many story connections to the other shows which for the most part didn’t interest me. I think I’ll leave my memories of the show with the first 5 seasons. Btw even if you did want to point out all the comparisons to Batman in this show I’d happily watch that too. Glad your feeling better 👊
Appreciate that man thanks for tuning in
To be fair... Nyssa is the best character in the Arrowverse and had way more chemistry with Oliver once Felicity stopped the sort of awkward single flirting, and got into the "we're together flirting." (Though at least Felicity and Oliver are way better than Barry & Iris. He should've got with Caitlin cuz that was the only pair that had chemistry except that detective for like 2 episodes. But the only main girl with any chemistry with Barry)
I like her character. Want in it enough for them to make her unlikable. And yeah Barry and iris are a little worse with the relationship drama
No man felicity and oliver had legit super awesome chemistry i can't cut their points on that i just wished they were written better
If I could offer a counter point to your critique about the comic book portion. Oliver was darker in the 80’s during the Mike grell run so arrow was definitely taking inspiration from that run.
Makes sense
"our least favorite Robin Damian Wayne" haha ... I think someone hates the animated movies.
I think the comic book version of the character is amazing. Grant Morrison and Peter Tomasi's take on the character specifically are awesome imo.
I watched Arrow on Amazon not that long ago....and it remeined me how good Arrow was.......
.... at first.
I binge the show... but up to season 5.... I could not watch it no more. :(