Start doing some real journalism again, and I'm more than happy to sign up for some proper F1 coverage instead of WTF1-esk BS that you lot have been making over the past year. It's fine you want an entertainment branch and that you bought them (and understandable that the one guy who know a lot about everything racing (Dre Harrison) was laid off), but 'The Race' with all these former Autosport people and I'm sure others, should be able to make content racing fans can actually learn from.
@@djoetma If you're not learning anything from their podcasts, 'Bring Back V10s' to name one, I'd be surprised. And anything with Mark Hughes in it has a seal of quality by default, IMO.
not necessarily, it just means they are comfortably below the minimum weight, at the start of the 2022 regulations redbull was significantly overweight, while alfa romeo was almost at minumum. Didnt really reflect their performance did it?
@@gergogorgicze2830 Redbull is not only racing for wins but also to propagate its brand, they wont remove all their paint, same for alpha tauri, they are a marketing team for visa so its obvious they would have a flanboyant livery to showcase their sponsor.
@@AdminAbusethat's not the controversy. The controversy is red bull now being a team of 4 cars, and now has way more wind tunnel time. More than any other team on the grid.
British media propaganda to shoot Red Bull because they snatch the championship from their favourite driver Hamilton.. remember the point. Anything happen to Red Bull is controversy.. anything happen to Mercedes is reasonable. Best example is full carbon fibre to Mercedes last few years not an issue and suddenly this year become issues. Typical The Race.. first day know them?
As expected, The Race find anyway to shoot Red Bull. When it happen to Mercedes, they keep quiet😂 Like all carbon fibre use by Mercedes last year, The Race no issue on it but this year suddenly become issue. Now all the internet talking about the good livery, The Race switch the attention to shoot Red Bull. Typical The Race.. still live at Abu Dhabi 2021 😂Remember the point for The Race, anything happen to Red Bull is controversy.. anything happen to Mercedes or Team Hamilton, all is logic 😂
Bro, u can check how many video they made just to shoot Racing Bull name.. and how many video they shoot Stake F1.. then u will know how much they hated Red Bull 😂
Just remember that the only reason this alternative RB team exists is because years ago F1 itself basically begged RB to buy the team. You can't be surprised that a company is just trying to make the best out of it.
@@TheRaienryuu I'm talking about the fact that Redbull owns two teams not if Andretti should buy or not, its retarded that a team can have effectively 4 cars and then FOM denies another team entry.
@@Redlingstein im pretty sure andretti expressed interesting in buying into F1 at some point but that was shot down by F1 management and also no teams wanted to sell, so andretti was forced to go the new team route and got rejected as we all know
Toro Rosso is Italian for Red Bull. Alpha Tauri (ą Tauri) is the red giant star Aldebaran, the brightest star in the constellation of Taurus (Bull).. Hence, Red Bull. Their identity has not changed. It has always referred to Red Bull.
Learn abt how and why Red Bull COMPANY has 2 separate teams, ORACLE RED BULL RACING and VISA CASH APP RB, before commenting. It has NOTHING to do with Andretti. Andretti wants in as a new team. The current 10 teams have been in F1 for YEARS. They deserve to be there.
The entire grid taking influence and design ideas/philosophy’s from the RB19, as well as 6/10 teams using some form of redbull/Mercedes/Ferrari parts. It makes zero sense to treat this any different from haas taking every possible part from Ferrari, the only real difference is alphatauri made a lot a lot of progress last year. I’m sure that will be forgotten and any progress they make will be made out to be due to the RB19 parts
Why people started bothering about this team, this team has been exist from 2006. When the others team copying redbull there's no problem but when this team trying to improve there's a lot of hates.
The Race has paid advertisements as part of their videos, but I think your comment is unfair. The Race remains The Race, unlike RB & Stake, where the team name is sold to the highest bidder.
It’s hardly the worst name in history. Look back at ‘70s teams if you want some real clunkers. For such a slick marketing firm it does seem rather lazy though.
Nobody had issues with Haas basically taking everything they could from Ferrari but now it's a problem that VCARB is doing it. Honestly, I could care less, I want one more competitive team. McLaren can cry all they want.
are you asking seriously? if you are then I'll answer using soccer instead - imagine you have a person who owns a football team and then buys another team in the same league. that means he could start to potentially share things off field (facilities, electronic equipment, training routines, scouting reports), he could loan personnel (players, coaches, physios) to them (especially when playing your rivals), he could make sure that when his main team plays against his second team, his main team wins as they'll rest key players, etc - now for other teams who can't afford all that stuff, they'll say that amounts to an uncompetitive advantage - and they'd be correct, which is why it's banned.
I have been a supporter of this team since Ricciardo took the seat, and I had a feeling that move was part of something way more important. As for the car, I don't have any doubt it will be a serious contender. I am really looking forward to seeing what it can do on track. Exciting times
and if it's very competitive then may take points of Ferrari and co... however if it's too competitive, we know they'll at least move over to let their parent/paymaster red bull cars through!
@@YosemiteCam yes, Very good point. I was 100% was on the same train of thought. However, I am hopeful they would just let it play out in that scenario - time will tell
I think those side pods/engine cover are clearly not simply copy of last years Red Bull. It looks more tightly packaged if anything. I’d actually look out for how similar to this the new Red Bull looks!
Teams complain about Toro Rosso using the maximum parts allowed from Red Bull, but Haas use the maximum parts allowed from Ferrari so I don’t see the issue. Teams can cry all they want. McL, Ferrari, and Williams all had the money to buy Minardi in the early 00’s.
It's a bit rich of F1 to beg RB to buy Minardi when it was dying and now think about forcing them to sell when RB is reaping the benefits. If you have a prob with toro rosso then tighten the regulations of what you can buy from the makes team.
Uh no? F1 is not thinking of forcing Red Bull to sell the team? That's just angry fans who can't handle the existence of this team all of a sudden. Also, the FIA makes the regulations, not F1, god you really don't know anything and is heavily misinformed... go back to DTS.
@@aloelover6012 uh okay great aloe lover! Yes F1 isn't asking RB to sell YET! The speculation was mentioned in the video so my opinion is IF F1 uses some shitty rule and does force RB to sell. Also every f1 fan and their grandma knows that F1 owned by liberty media doesn't control regulations, its the FIA. Their distinction has become even clearer since Masi and Andretti's entry bid. It was a casual comment... Didn't realise a killjoy would come after me for that. Sensible people would have understood what I meant. I used to watch during Schumacher and Barrichello days but I was a kid and didn't understand the rules. Started watching again since 2010 so I'm not a DTS fan but who made you the gate keeper? Probably you have nothing important going in your life and decided to be rude for no reason. It's Sunday, go to church and fix your life.
@@Redlingstein yeah fair enough. Its mainly the fans but also team principals like Zak brown. I'm just afraid that F1 will cave eventually if Torro Rosso start getting podiums.
They mentioned the name like 6 times in the first 3 minutes of this video 😂😂😂 they are also trying to keep up their looks after talking that stake sponsor, that’s why they deleted the videos where they were trash talking stakes new team name😂😂😂 the basis is extremely obvious
@@langbuddha2798 they said RB and "Red Bull's second team", neither of which are their name. They did in fact mention their name once in this video, but in a context in which they explicitly stated why they don't normally.
@@langbuddha2798I'm in no way pretending like I'm the best listener, but I find it hard to believe I missed it 6 times in 3 minutes while actively listening for it, but you never know 😅 Could you link to a timestamp? 🫠
@@langbuddha2798 I'm in no way saying I'm the best listener, but I rewatched the first 3 minutes, and I still couldn't hear a single instance of their name. The only time during the video they mentioned their name was at 9:02.
Nothing, people nowadays can't be pressed to work harder it seems. I'm surprised we don't hear this from the germans at merc. Generally (pun intended), they are ruthless in overworking people 😂😂
@@SecretlyanothernameIts not. Its 2 different teams owned by Red Bull Company. Horner has nothing to do with Visa Cash App RB team. Horner is CEO and Teamboss of Oracle Red Bull Racing team. Maybe learn more in stead of repeating blatant false info.
I’m assuming they did such a throwback livery in hopes that it would mitigate some of the onslaught of frustration fans have with the team, which is annoying because I love how it looks
@@ShonnDayleeF1 are so funny, like you obviously care more about a name and paint job then you care about anything going on, I’m track 😂😂😂 go back to watch Drive to survive please😂 even the drives can’t stop talking shit about you “fans”
There's nothing controversial about following the rules! It seems that RB wants to streamline costs after Deitrich Matesich died, so they're just taking the parts that are permitted and also increasing sponsorship for the second team. The car actually looks quite different to the RB19 when compared to some others (looking at YOU, Zac). Of course, if it was Lewis' team, I'm sure this channel would have a very different opinion...
it’ll be interesting to see how daniel and Yuki deal with the traits of this car. We saw max destroy everyone but checo struggle. I wonder if we will see something similar in the Visa boys.
Who cares. A drinks company is outdoing some of the biggest car manufacturers on Earth- at making cars quick. It’s great. The names pay the bills. We all know who the teams really are.
As whatever company is sponsoring Alfa Romeo or any of their other cars are referred to as Saubers, lets just go with Minardi for this team as a shortcut name, since that is the origin of the team in Italy.
There are some things that make F1 more like WWE Entertainment and one is the same owner having two “separate” teams, the “sister team” drivers making way for max and checo even when in position contention in the last seasons has been grueling to watch for people that took F1 as a sport
The engine thing is a bit misleading. RB purposefully made TR use Honda to see how they worked before putting them into the main car. They wanted a test run of the new engines.
Wrong, FIA didn’t accept Andretti. FIA CHECKED IF THE ANDRETTI PROPOSAL TICKED ALL BOXES, all requirement, that’s all. They gave an administrative okay. They don’t support or okay Andretti as new team. They only checked the proposal. And FOM rejected the proposal COS GM PULLED OUT OF THE PROPOSAL. They didn’t want to supply any engine until 2028. THUS the proposal didn’t tick all the boxes anymore…… In 2028, with GM AS ENGINE SUPPLIER, Andretti can bring in the proposal again. You need to learn the difference between FIA and FOM. And abt what FIA decides or not. In this situation FIA has NO SAY. They only check the administrative side.
It always blows my mind that F1 teams will fire a key employee if the team feels they haven't been doing well enough, yet they replace them with a different guy that comes from a team that has been just as disappointing. Find new people if you want a fresh start. Don't just mix and match the same people like it's some "good ole boys" club no matter how poorly they do.
Makkies did work at Toro Rosso in the past….. he RETURNS to the team in fact but with a truck load more of EXPERIENCE and a different set of eyes than when he left. And Bayer is from FIA so he as CEO brings in a truck load of experience and fresh eyes. And the Technical Tremaine from Renault/Alpine has fresh eyes and a lot of technical experience.
@@Redlingstein do you know how many people in F1 that have experience yet never won a single race in their entire career? Experience isn't the most important thing in F1. It's experience mixed with lots of talent.
@@91mmafighterStroll bought as much was permitted under the rules. RP fundamentally wasn't owned by the same entity as Mercedes. That's what the controversy is
8:54 Zach Ashley isn’t Global Head of Brand (which would suggest he is the functional ‘owner’ of the brand), he’s actually Global Head of Brand Partnerships (aka the person who brings to life and manages Cash App’s Brand Partnerships) which is a very different role.
Same they look so aggressive the way they point up. Whole car looks awesome from the paint, the gloss and the design of the pods and fins up front leading to the floor
Imo the identity of "racing bulls" is and always has been red bull 2. So far so obvious. That leaves us with the question of sister team or junior team. Racing bulls has always been the junior team and I always wondered why the hell they don't they make it a sister team. And I think everybody who isn't a complete rb hater thought so while rb wasn't winning. But now I see that this is more a matter of antitrust coporation law. If they do get inventive about sharing information and maximizing budged cap regulations, which they will, im honesty gonna cry 😂 Just make good race weekends pls Is that so DIFFICULT??! 😢😂😂
The livery does look good, I like it. The name though......🤮 Since it original grew from the buy out of Minardi, for me that's what I'll refer to them as. Minardi after all were a much loved and admired team, the perennial plucky under dogs.
When I was young, I didn't realise John Players tobacco was the Lotus title sponsor - I thought the car was just a JPS. Title sponsorship doesn't seem like anything new.
Yet it’s not controversial at all. Its not in any way the RB19 as haters, like you, were shouting it would be 😂😂😂 You are such LH fanboys and RBR/RB haters, it’s hilarious
IMO you can’t teams complain about it being RedBull 2nd team while also excluding new teams like Andretti Cadillac from the grid. If you want are trying limit entries and keep F1 as incestuous as possible then this is the logical outcome. An ownership group with 2x the possibility to capture the prize money and has a successful team doing everything it can to capitalize on lowering overhead and maximizing financial gains. Shocker…
Formula 1 teams care about 1 thing, money. That also means good performance on track. If the paint has a lot black in it or not does not matter, as long as it is fast and the sponsors are well visible.
All this just seems like everyone is mad because they’ll be competitive. They’re doing all of not less than what hass is doing but nobody cares about hass cuz they’ll just be a back marker.
If you are going that way, should Toto Wolff sell off Williams F1 shares (~$500mil) as he also manages and owns part Mercedes F1? Update: Toto Wolff also owns shares in Aston Martin. Aston Martin uses the Mercedes wind tunnel and both teams run the Mercedes F1 engine.
@dreadpirateforex it's the other 10 teams that don't want Andretti in, they don't want to share in the financial nor do they want to lose value in their own teams by diluting it with another team, it's really petty.
If there were such a competitive advantage in owning two teams then Mercedes would have purchased Tracing Point and Ferrari would have made a bid for Haas. The fact no works team has purchased another team -leaves one to conclude there is no real advantage or it would have been exploited. Perhaps there should also be a limit to an engine supplier providing power trains for a maximum of two teams once there are 5 or 6 engine manufacturers 😅 Zach can buy a Renault or Audi engine 😂
I'm going to call this team irrelevant. Since Andretti has been refused. (with immense stupidity) As whatever they call themselves no longer deserves an identity.
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Start doing some real journalism again, and I'm more than happy to sign up for some proper F1 coverage instead of WTF1-esk BS that you lot have been making over the past year. It's fine you want an entertainment branch and that you bought them (and understandable that the one guy who know a lot about everything racing (Dre Harrison) was laid off), but 'The Race' with all these former Autosport people and I'm sure others, should be able to make content racing fans can actually learn from.
No
@@djoetma If you're not learning anything from their podcasts, 'Bring Back V10s' to name one, I'd be surprised. And anything with Mark Hughes in it has a seal of quality by default, IMO.
And how could I go about doing that when I don't have a credit card?
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊@@djoetma
I guess by the end of the season we'll see if they are low-carb or high-carb.
This needs to be pinned 😂
I see what you did there 🤣
Clearly not V-powered, that's for sure
That’s the lamest thing I’ve read all day. What are you 10?
They might be overdrawn
it has paint
scary and controversial for all the teams that revealed liveries so far
not necessarily, it just means they are comfortably below the minimum weight, at the start of the 2022 regulations redbull was significantly overweight, while alfa romeo was almost at minumum. Didnt really reflect their performance did it?
@@gergogorgicze2830 Redbull is not only racing for wins but also to propagate its brand, they wont remove all their paint, same for alpha tauri, they are a marketing team for visa so its obvious they would have a flanboyant livery to showcase their sponsor.
Painting the car should be illegal at this point
@@pavise6333 paint? You innocent young padawan
Let's see how much of it will remain once they hit the first race
I already wanted to call "VCARB RB" Toro Rosso, their livery makes me feel vindicated for wanting to do so.
I'm still gonna call it Minardi 😁
@@ImreBertalan86 Haha, also valid!
wtf is vcarb rb? it is just vcarb
CARB
that is what i said@@Wafflecombo54
Why do we keep forgetting that F1 begged Red Bull to buy the team back in the day
Reddit circlejerks are infecting YT channels.
Yep, they begged Mateschitz but fans and press like to glance over that fact
And most of the teams are copying the Red Bull concept but they don't like it if the sister team is copying too 😂😂
@@AdminAbusethat's not the controversy. The controversy is red bull now being a team of 4 cars, and now has way more wind tunnel time. More than any other team on the grid.
British media propaganda to shoot Red Bull because they snatch the championship from their favourite driver Hamilton.. remember the point. Anything happen to Red Bull is controversy.. anything happen to Mercedes is reasonable. Best example is full carbon fibre to Mercedes last few years not an issue and suddenly this year become issues. Typical The Race.. first day know them?
F1 needs to make a 70% paint rule.
*on carbon fibre parts
no more like 90% or 100%
As expected, The Race find anyway to shoot Red Bull. When it happen to Mercedes, they keep quiet😂 Like all carbon fibre use by Mercedes last year, The Race no issue on it but this year suddenly become issue. Now all the internet talking about the good livery, The Race switch the attention to shoot Red Bull. Typical The Race.. still live at Abu Dhabi 2021 😂Remember the point for The Race, anything happen to Red Bull is controversy.. anything happen to Mercedes or Team Hamilton, all is logic 😂
Bros point: the second the race criticizes red bull, it's got to do with 2021
Bro, u can check how many video they made just to shoot Racing Bull name.. and how many video they shoot Stake F1.. then u will know how much they hated Red Bull 😂
Agreed.. shit stirrers
@@swl0323 maybe try scrolling down next time
@@swl0323 and RB is pretty bad name anyways
Just remember that the only reason this alternative RB team exists is because years ago F1 itself basically begged RB to buy the team. You can't be surprised that a company is just trying to make the best out of it.
At this point though its sorta ridiculous. Even more so when Andretti wants to join.
@@0Synergy I'd love to see them buy out RB for the team and have Andretti take that place. But that's not gonna happen anytime soon.
@@0SynergyIt has nothing to do with Andretti. Andretti wants to be in as a new team. They don’t even WANT to buy a team.
@@TheRaienryuu I'm talking about the fact that Redbull owns two teams not if Andretti should buy or not, its retarded that a team can have effectively 4 cars and then FOM denies another team entry.
@@Redlingstein im pretty sure andretti expressed interesting in buying into F1 at some point but that was shot down by F1 management and also no teams wanted to sell, so andretti was forced to go the new team route and got rejected as we all know
Teams upset about copying the RB19, better look at their own cars again. Seems everyone are working off the RB design!
VCARB is owned by
Red bull they have the rights too
@@HisjbeAlt F1 is regulated mate. RBR and RB would be DQd from the Championship if shared confidential info or data
thx @@Hamisxa
Yes but they have all the parts for better correlation
Finally a car without a pre dominant black livery. This season going to be tough to follow with all the cars having similar dark accents
Maybe Mercedes will go back to silver? I really hope so
@@nickmildon6348 lol jus a silver stripe would be hilarious, or go back to that all black livery from a few yrs ago
@@nickmildon6348 dude omg I called it, black livery with a silver stripe 😄 😆 wtf
I call the team "The team formerly knows as Minardi"
Its identity is Torro Rosso, even when Alpha Tauri. Hence the throwback colors.
Hopefully Ricardo can sell enough t-shirts to get people used to the new name.
Toro Rosso is literally Red Bull in Italian.
How difficult is it to spell "Toro"?
@skyhigh6089 too difficult apparently, though this is a comment section on youtube, does it really matter, do you have to be such a tool about it?
Toro Rosso is Italian for Red Bull.
Alpha Tauri (ą Tauri) is the red giant star Aldebaran, the brightest star in the constellation of Taurus (Bull).. Hence, Red Bull.
Their identity has not changed. It has always referred to Red Bull.
Best livery on the grid this year🔥
So far
Could be
So far. I still have high hopes for Ferrari and Aston
Not all cars shown yet
Not hard when the others forgot to paint half their cars
F1 team companies can own two teams, but they refuse to let Andretti in.
Learn abt how and why Red Bull COMPANY has 2 separate teams, ORACLE RED BULL RACING and VISA CASH APP RB, before commenting. It has NOTHING to do with Andretti. Andretti wants in as a new team. The current 10 teams have been in F1 for YEARS. They deserve to be there.
@@Redlingstein
You sound touchy about this.
@@Redlingstein didnt andretti also try to buy into any team but got rejected?
i love the sidepods, looks sleek and aggressive. i wonder if Mercedes just put the zero/slim pods in the wrong orientation
The entire grid taking influence and design ideas/philosophy’s from the RB19, as well as 6/10 teams using some form of redbull/Mercedes/Ferrari parts. It makes zero sense to treat this any different from haas taking every possible part from Ferrari, the only real difference is alphatauri made a lot a lot of progress last year. I’m sure that will be forgotten and any progress they make will be made out to be due to the RB19 parts
Well said, I’m glad to read comments like yours here.
The car is still known as a Toro Rosso to real F1 fans.
Or a Minardi to the oldheads.
I was about to type that 😂@@jarradchapman4271
@@jarradchapman4271 You’re right.
"real"... no the team moves partly away from italy and who cares. RB wasnt always RB, do we call them Minardi yet? LIKE THE REAL F1 Fans? xD kids...
Should have stuck with TR
I do actually love this livery
It feels like a callback to the Toro Rosso liveries from 2017-2019
Why people started bothering about this team, this team has been exist from 2006. When the others team copying redbull there's no problem but when this team trying to improve there's a lot of hates.
I don't think you guys have a leg to stand on in terms of criticising the name when you're sponsored by Stake
And they are also sponsored by Aramco
Sure but they didn't rename themselves Stake the Race.
The Race has paid advertisements as part of their videos, but I think your comment is unfair. The Race remains The Race, unlike RB & Stake, where the team name is sold to the highest bidder.
@@jakem5039are they. should mention it on the tech show podcast
@@alexnowis2468 Which applies to most teams. Ferrari, Williams and McLaren are the only ones that don't.
It’s hardly the worst name in history. Look back at ‘70s teams if you want some real clunkers.
For such a slick marketing firm it does seem rather lazy though.
y’all are so unserious. unfollowing this youtube rag sheet
McLaren scared Daniel's going to get another win before Lando
All the other teams are bitchin themselves with the non paint liveries.
Nobody had issues with Haas basically taking everything they could from Ferrari but now it's a problem that VCARB is doing it. Honestly, I could care less, I want one more competitive team. McLaren can cry all they want.
How is a car 100% within the rules controversial?
They are LH fans so anything RBR or RB does is controversial to them…
Well said
It's because they consider it a potential threat. Unlike Haas.
are you asking seriously? if you are then I'll answer using soccer instead - imagine you have a person who owns a football team and then buys another team in the same league. that means he could start to potentially share things off field (facilities, electronic equipment, training routines, scouting reports), he could loan personnel (players, coaches, physios) to them (especially when playing your rivals), he could make sure that when his main team plays against his second team, his main team wins as they'll rest key players, etc - now for other teams who can't afford all that stuff, they'll say that amounts to an uncompetitive advantage - and they'd be correct, which is why it's banned.
@@YosemiteCam they’ve had a second team for 19 years it’s laughable that it’s a problem now
I have been a supporter of this team since Ricciardo took the seat, and I had a feeling that move was part of something way more important. As for the car, I don't have any doubt it will be a serious contender. I am really looking forward to seeing what it can do on track. Exciting times
Agree.
and if it's very competitive then may take points of Ferrari and co... however if it's too competitive, we know they'll at least move over to let their parent/paymaster red bull cars through!
@@YosemiteCam yes, Very good point. I was 100% was on the same train of thought. However, I am hopeful they would just let it play out in that scenario - time will tell
Really hope Yuki ends up in and around the top 6 pack, just for the chaos 😂
I think those side pods/engine cover are clearly not simply copy of last years Red Bull. It looks more tightly packaged if anything.
I’d actually look out for how similar to this the new Red Bull looks!
Great launch by RedBull! Can’t wait for the RedBull Pro Max launch
For me, they will always be Minardi
The gloss is delicious, compared to the matte look of the past AT car.
Yes, Toro Rosso means something... it's Italian for Red Bull...
Teams complain about Toro Rosso using the maximum parts allowed from Red Bull, but Haas use the maximum parts allowed from Ferrari so I don’t see the issue. Teams can cry all they want. McL, Ferrari, and Williams all had the money to buy Minardi in the early 00’s.
The car looks great!! No controversy there.
It's a bit rich of F1 to beg RB to buy Minardi when it was dying and now think about forcing them to sell when RB is reaping the benefits.
If you have a prob with toro rosso then tighten the regulations of what you can buy from the makes team.
Uh no? F1 is not thinking of forcing Red Bull to sell the team? That's just angry fans who can't handle the existence of this team all of a sudden. Also, the FIA makes the regulations, not F1, god you really don't know anything and is heavily misinformed... go back to DTS.
Good point. But it’s not F1 but jealous F1 fans who are crying abt Visa Cash App RB.
@@aloelover6012well said
@@aloelover6012 uh okay great aloe lover! Yes F1 isn't asking RB to sell YET! The speculation was mentioned in the video so my opinion is IF F1 uses some shitty rule and does force RB to sell.
Also every f1 fan and their grandma knows that F1 owned by liberty media doesn't control regulations, its the FIA. Their distinction has become even clearer since Masi and Andretti's entry bid. It was a casual comment... Didn't realise a killjoy would come after me for that. Sensible people would have understood what I meant.
I used to watch during Schumacher and Barrichello days but I was a kid and didn't understand the rules. Started watching again since 2010 so I'm not a DTS fan but who made you the gate keeper? Probably you have nothing important going in your life and decided to be rude for no reason. It's Sunday, go to church and fix your life.
@@Redlingstein yeah fair enough. Its mainly the fans but also team principals like Zak brown. I'm just afraid that F1 will cave eventually if Torro Rosso start getting podiums.
I love how you've only mentioned their name in a single video since it was announced, despite talking about it in several 😂
They mentioned the name like 6 times in the first 3 minutes of this video 😂😂😂 they are also trying to keep up their looks after talking that stake sponsor, that’s why they deleted the videos where they were trash talking stakes new team name😂😂😂 the basis is extremely obvious
@@langbuddha2798 they said RB and "Red Bull's second team", neither of which are their name.
They did in fact mention their name once in this video, but in a context in which they explicitly stated why they don't normally.
@@modernkennnern not my fault you ant listen, 6 mentions in the first 3 mins of the video 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@langbuddha2798I'm in no way pretending like I'm the best listener, but I find it hard to believe I missed it 6 times in 3 minutes while actively listening for it, but you never know 😅
Could you link to a timestamp? 🫠
@@langbuddha2798 I'm in no way saying I'm the best listener, but I rewatched the first 3 minutes, and I still couldn't hear a single instance of their name. The only time during the video they mentioned their name was at 9:02.
It's about as close to the RB19 as Scott is to a journalist
Nearer!
I'm not a big fan of him but could you elaborate a bit please? Purely out of curiosity.
@@98MTBiker f1 journalism is horrible. it's 99% trash and rumors with no substance.
What does Horner's misconduct allegations have to do with the launch of VisaBull launch?
Nothing, people nowadays can't be pressed to work harder it seems.
I'm surprised we don't hear this from the germans at merc. Generally (pun intended), they are ruthless in overworking people 😂😂
Because it's the same team that shares four cars.
@@SecretlyanothernameIts not. Its 2 different teams owned by Red Bull Company. Horner has nothing to do with Visa Cash App RB team. Horner is CEO and Teamboss of Oracle Red Bull Racing team. Maybe learn more in stead of repeating blatant false info.
I’m assuming they did such a throwback livery in hopes that it would mitigate some of the onslaught of frustration fans have with the team, which is annoying because I love how it looks
100%... I've never been this torn before....lol
@@ShonnDayleeF1 are so funny, like you obviously care more about a name and paint job then you care about anything going on, I’m track 😂😂😂 go back to watch Drive to survive please😂 even the drives can’t stop talking shit about you “fans”
By far the best looking car revealed so far. Mainly the combination of the paint and the sidepods makes it look quite nice
@@langbuddha2798down, boy. down
It’s only controversial because VCARB RB is more likely to succeed than HAAS
There's nothing controversial about following the rules! It seems that RB wants to streamline costs after Deitrich Matesich died, so they're just taking the parts that are permitted and also increasing sponsorship for the second team. The car actually looks quite different to the RB19 when compared to some others (looking at YOU, Zac).
Of course, if it was Lewis' team, I'm sure this channel would have a very different opinion...
it’ll be interesting to see how daniel and Yuki deal with the traits of this car. We saw max destroy everyone but checo struggle. I wonder if we will see something similar in the Visa boys.
Torro Rosso literally translates to Red Bull. So why is everyone freaking about the second team using the red bull name now?
Exactly, well said
In the era of bare carbon, this team went against the norm by painting their car
that's because the only purpose this car serves is to be a glorified billboard
@@jamesormondroyd1009 can't argue with that at all
Nah, Stake being an actual scam and being a title sponsor is controversial.
It’s only for two years before Audi take full control, hopefully we won’t see any more of Stake from ‘26
@@alexpeak16 two years too many
Thing is, The Race can't criticise that team because they're too busy counting that sponsor money
Im not a redbull fan but if they manage a 1,2,3,4 this year it'll be a lovely thing to see
and we know which way round the four positions will be regardless of how competitive the red bull second team is
it looks definitely good and I believe it is the none carbon livery this time 😄👍
Tbh this vegas Livery looks really good. The best we've seen so far
Silly name, but gorgeous livery! Lets just hope its fast
What controvers? They just use the rules to the full, and are smart about it... Like everyone else is doing or should do.
Exactly
Who cares. A drinks company is outdoing some of the biggest car manufacturers on Earth- at making cars quick. It’s great. The names pay the bills. We all know who the teams really are.
The timing (of the investigation) is NOT awkward, it was planned. If you can't beat them on the track, try another tactic.
The investigation is internal lol...they're tryna beat themselves?
Timing of Lewis to Ferrari covering up Andretti getting blocked is much more believable than what you are saying.
Planned by whom?
I don't see any controversy at all.
I like the colors. The visa logo not so much but obviously that’s part of the game
As whatever company is sponsoring Alfa Romeo or any of their other cars are referred to as Saubers, lets just go with Minardi for this team as a shortcut name, since that is the origin of the team in Italy.
That livery reminds me of the Nestle Crunch wrapper.
There are some things that make F1 more like WWE Entertainment and one is the same owner having two “separate” teams, the “sister team” drivers making way for max and checo even when in position contention in the last seasons has been grueling to watch for people that took F1 as a sport
The investigation into Horner sounds like someone got disciplined or fired and then they went to the press. "Too controlling"? Dude, he is the boss.
In a few years RB's next name change will be Re Bu
The engine thing is a bit misleading. RB purposefully made TR use Honda to see how they worked before putting them into the main car. They wanted a test run of the new engines.
Correct. After the Renault engine failures, they needed to see how the Honda engines held up before putting them in the RBR cars yes.
There was a period where STR had different engines for three years in series.
Toro Rosso literally means Red Bull in Italian just stick with that.
Just so you know
FIA Good: Accepted Andretti
FOM BAD: Greedy Protectionist Commercial Rights Holder Lead by Stefany
Wrong, FIA didn’t accept Andretti. FIA CHECKED IF THE ANDRETTI PROPOSAL TICKED ALL BOXES, all requirement, that’s all. They gave an administrative okay. They don’t support or okay Andretti as new team. They only checked the proposal. And FOM rejected the proposal COS GM PULLED OUT OF THE PROPOSAL. They didn’t want to supply any engine until 2028. THUS the proposal didn’t tick all the boxes anymore…… In 2028, with GM AS ENGINE SUPPLIER, Andretti can bring in the proposal again. You need to learn the difference between FIA and FOM. And abt what FIA decides or not. In this situation FIA has NO SAY. They only check the administrative side.
It's a really nice shade of blue.
Im just going to say it, I'll start calling the new AlphaTauri "VRB". Its easy and catchy.
I'm calling them Toro Rosso or Minardi depending on how I feel at the time.
Let's call it Minardi, and let's stop with this escalation of stupidity
Torro Rosso has returned in colour at least
It always blows my mind that F1 teams will fire a key employee if the team feels they haven't been doing well enough, yet they replace them with a different guy that comes from a team that has been just as disappointing. Find new people if you want a fresh start. Don't just mix and match the same people like it's some "good ole boys" club no matter how poorly they do.
Makkies did work at Toro Rosso in the past….. he RETURNS to the team in fact but with a truck load more of EXPERIENCE and a different set of eyes than when he left. And Bayer is from FIA so he as CEO brings in a truck load of experience and fresh eyes. And the Technical Tremaine from Renault/Alpine has fresh eyes and a lot of technical experience.
So true
@@Redlingstein do you know how many people in F1 that have experience yet never won a single race in their entire career? Experience isn't the most important thing in F1. It's experience mixed with lots of talent.
“11 teams would dilute the prize money too much” (Redbull literally has two teams and has no plans of selling)
Remember when f1 were begging someone to buy minardi?
Remember when F1 was struggling to expand and were desperate for teams?
They also apparently don't remember the pink Mercedes either which was way more controversial@@elChirrinChirriondelDiablo
@@91mmafighterStroll bought as much was permitted under the rules. RP fundamentally wasn't owned by the same entity as Mercedes. That's what the controversy is
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Two Red Bull teams but no Andretti is not a good look.
Atleast they’ve got a bit of a colour on the car
Toro Rosso was Minardi before. Which had history. Toro Rosso was always the 2nd red bull team.
8:54 Zach Ashley isn’t Global Head of Brand (which would suggest he is the functional ‘owner’ of the brand), he’s actually Global Head of Brand Partnerships (aka the person who brings to life and manages Cash App’s Brand Partnerships) which is a very different role.
Well regardless of his true title or role, he looks like a clown
Why mention Christian during this content?
It should be about the car rather than the drama.
I hope all the commentators this season refer to VCARB as Toro Rosso 😂
They won’t and you know it. THEY show respect and call it RB as already mentioned in so many official F1 articles on the F1 site.
Imagine 20 actually competitive cars on the grid! What’s not to like?
i have to admit the livery looks🔥
Dumpster on fire, that's what you mean 😂😂
@@JohnWikudisagree, however it's your opinion. You're allowed to be wrong
This teams identity always was and still is being Red Bull's 2nd team. Therefore you keep talking about a problem that doesn't exist
LOL. The parts highlighted at 56 seconds as being from last year's RB are totally different...
If you call former Alpha Tauri to V-CARB it wouldn't sound corporate at all but more like another brand of Red Bull energy drink.
Loving those side pods
Same they look so aggressive the way they point up. Whole car looks awesome from the paint, the gloss and the design of the pods and fins up front leading to the floor
Imo the identity of "racing bulls" is and always has been red bull 2. So far so obvious. That leaves us with the question of sister team or junior team. Racing bulls has always been the junior team and I always wondered why the hell they don't they make it a sister team. And I think everybody who isn't a complete rb hater thought so while rb wasn't winning.
But now I see that this is more a matter of antitrust coporation law. If they do get inventive about sharing information and maximizing budged cap regulations, which they will, im honesty gonna cry 😂
Just make good race weekends pls Is that so DIFFICULT??! 😢😂😂
I mean at least its got paint...................ill take that over the trend of just carbon fiber.
At least the car looks nice and it's ACTUALLY PAINTED.
The car looks fantastic ngl
The livery does look good, I like it. The name though......🤮
Since it original grew from the buy out of Minardi, for me that's what I'll refer to them as. Minardi after all were a much loved and admired team, the perennial plucky under dogs.
When I was young, I didn't realise John Players tobacco was the Lotus title sponsor - I thought the car was just a JPS.
Title sponsorship doesn't seem like anything new.
I think everyone is missing a point.
Lotus had 76 to 79 branded as John Player Special Mk I to IV. This looks similar to that.
Mclaren, Aston Martin complain that RB's sister team has copied their older sister's team... Umm.. not like you guys haven't?
This car looks like a prophecy for what the Ferrari SF-24 will look like! 😅
what
Why?
@@LorenzoCorrado19 RB inspired aero and SF-23 nose
Yet it’s not controversial at all. Its not in any way the RB19 as haters, like you, were shouting it would be 😂😂😂 You are such LH fanboys and RBR/RB haters, it’s hilarious
Hilarious. They deny Andretti saying F1 doesn't need 11 teams. Turns out there's only really 9 teams, one with 4 cars.
True but at least alpha tauri was more competitive than haas. Haas needs to sell his team to Andretti
The Andretti cars would just have been a moving chicanes. They would have only a good story to tell in DTS, nothing more.
IMO you can’t teams complain about it being RedBull 2nd team while also excluding new teams like Andretti Cadillac from the grid. If you want are trying limit entries and keep F1 as incestuous as possible then this is the logical outcome. An ownership group with 2x the possibility to capture the prize money and has a successful team doing everything it can to capitalize on lowering overhead and maximizing financial gains. Shocker…
Stake F1 team should take notes on how to make a good looking livery like this
Formula 1 teams care about 1 thing, money. That also means good performance on track. If the paint has a lot black in it or not does not matter, as long as it is fast and the sponsors are well visible.
Stake is also great, it’s bold
All this just seems like everyone is mad because they’ll be competitive. They’re doing all of not less than what hass is doing but nobody cares about hass cuz they’ll just be a back marker.
The biggest sticking point is definitely down to both teams having the same shareholders.
Hi Law, funny seeing you over here 😂
The Ladder Man has been summoned
“MICK SCHUMACHER”
It wasn't when F1 was desperate for team owners.
Back then, people were grateful.
If you are going that way, should Toto Wolff sell off Williams F1 shares (~$500mil) as he also manages and owns part Mercedes F1?
Update: Toto Wolff also owns shares in Aston Martin. Aston Martin uses the Mercedes wind tunnel and both teams run the Mercedes F1 engine.
and there he goes!!! The VISA CASH APP CAR OF YUKI SUNODA PASSES VERSTAPPEN IN A HEROIC MOVE! THE VISA CASH APP CAR IS ON RAILS!
Boo RedBull! get rid of one of these RB teams and bring on Andretti!
RB was asked to save Minardi, and now they're told they should sell it, ridiculous, open up an 11th team if you want Andretti in.
@@gpaje tell that to the FIA. As an american i hate HAAS and want a different team to root for.
@dreadpirateforex it's the other 10 teams that don't want Andretti in, they don't want to share in the financial nor do they want to lose value in their own teams by diluting it with another team, it's really petty.
If there were such a competitive advantage in owning two teams then Mercedes would have purchased Tracing Point and Ferrari would have made a bid for Haas. The fact no works team has purchased another team -leaves one to conclude there is no real advantage or it would have been exploited. Perhaps there should also be a limit to an engine supplier providing power trains for a maximum of two teams once there are 5 or 6 engine manufacturers 😅 Zach can buy a Renault or Audi engine 😂
This livery is miles better than STAKE
miSTAKE
You mean the Shrek car? Yeah this is miles clear
THEY BOTH SHIT, this looks like a cigarette box. Suits the position they will be in, a shitty one
I'm going to call this team irrelevant. Since Andretti has been refused. (with immense stupidity) As whatever they call themselves no longer deserves an identity.
I appreciate that you call this team Arby. I wonder if that's an indication it's a high-carbs car.
Considering Arby's reputation for having 'the meats' in America, I'm sure it'll have not as many carbs as we think.