Huscarls But I think you’re very very wrong on the Deathwing vs Deathshroud. Every dark angels player I know takes Terranic Greatswords because of the potential for murderous strike at initiative. This bypasses the Battlehardned. The deathshroud can’t do anything to counter because they just can’t do enough damage.
I'm sure that thunder hammers on dominators would win out on unupgraded Varagyr, especially because it's so easy to whiff that first round of WS6 and make it ineffective. It's also a sure thing if the dominators charge. Additionally, they are so cheap it's criminal. Brutal (2) is an insane rule.
27:00 I mean, give them the Terranic Greatswords and now, in a 5v5, they cost about the same. Lot of Murderous Strike coming in that Battle Hardened does nothing against. Not sure about who wins this in a mathhammer situation. And if it's an AS IS calculation, Deathshroud loses for sure since, as is, they come with 2 for 140pts and have no chance against 5 at 240. So, a bit unclear on how to calculate this. The Power Scythe is just a weak weapon compared to the Terranic Greatsword.
Varagyr having 15 points for a thunder hammer and then 5 points for the claw is great. 5 points for an extra attack on the thunder hammer on every man is crazy good.
@mikefrench178 Also if you're absolutely mental (insert any number of Space Wolf reason here) you can dual wield thunder hammers on all of your Varagyr 🤣
Really isn't kosher that you didn't give the Cenobium the Terranic Greatswords. Simply put, no one is ever going to not take them when they build that unit.
Huscarls only get Battle Hardened (1) on the turn in which they are charged. So that necessitates the Fire Drakes getting significantly more attacks that turn. I am pretty sure the math does not work out for the Huscarls.
For Justerian VS Deliverer. The Justerian get +1S on the charge, so they negate the Battle Hardened, 3A of Thunder Hammer munch through the Deliverer. Then they get - 1S so the Deliverer can't ID them.
100%! Incase anyones wondering which rules these are.. Justaerin have Furious charge ( +1S.) AND Merciless fighters (When charging/charged, enemy gets -1S first turn)
Not gonna argue that three attacks each with Thunder Hammers with Brutal will hurt Deliverers, but order of operations comes into play here. Str is doubled and then you add the bonus for Furious Charge. So S9 THs vs BH Toughness 5. You would need S10 still.
As fun as this is, it's hard to cover every nuance with these units. That's like a 6hr video lol. Even then many of them aren't even designed to go head to head with other legion terminators. I have always had good success with Deathshroud using Rad Grenades. 3 attacks base + reaping blow 1 and ID vs T4. They are a great condensed melee unit to have in a DG list that is otherwise all shooting, which most of them are.
I think if advanced reactions were included, that would have pushed firedrakes to #1. Going to WS 6 and gaining an attack when charged would have made all of the difference. But all 3 of the top ones could easily switch places depending on circumstances. But yeah, pretty much agree with these results.
Great video, agree with the end results! Appreciate it would have made the vid longer/needed to be a seperate video, but given the split between a) terminators that are meant for/best used fighting other elite terminators, and b) terminators that are meant for/used best against non-terminators, it would have been nice to see you guys do a side-pool of the best of the latter.
DA Inner circle knights of the broken claw with a moritat is easily one of the best combinations. S7 AP3 brutal 2 Breaching 5+ at initiative with rad grenades for -1 Toughness will crush most targets.
If we're talking about which Terminator unit will dick-kick all the other Terminator units it comes down to Huscarls vs Firedrakes vs Loyalist Deliverer's. Just going by pure math Firedrakes win out thanks to Brutal(2) and rerolling 1's to hit: They deal average 2.5 wounds to Deliverers and receive 1.6. They deal 3 wounds (or instant deaths depending charging unit) against Huscarls and receive 1.3 instant deaths. Deliverer's deal 1.6 wounds vs Huscarls and receive 2 instant deaths thanks to Solarite str10 being ridiculous. However if we bring point-efficiency into the argument then Deliverer's will win out due to being 50pts cheaper for a unit of 5 kitted out than both Huscarls and Firedrakes respectively (275pts vs 325pts). When it comes to flexibility Deliverer's also win out with their wargear options and innate Deep Strike ability coupled with the fact their Battle-Hardened is always on unlike the situational Huscarls. Finally when it comes to buffs you can stack on a unit a Solar Marshal with Huscarls making them WS6 against traitors makes them stupid good in combat so just don't do that if you want to keep your friends. So in summary: Firedrakes dick-kick all other Legion Terminators in a vacuum. Stacking buffs in the most ideal situation Huscarl's win out. In general use and flexibility Deliverer's are the best bang for your buck.
Having my legion's terminators (Ebon Keshig) offed in round one hurts, but it was the right call. If they had a rule that gave them +1 to hit against enemy units with higher majority WS (which would help them hit but still get them killed faster like they want) they might have done better. A nice thought experiment, gents - thanks for posting it!
What a coincidence. I was sitting here at the moment to do chipping and weathering on my EC Tartaros Command Squad because the Phoenix Terminators are not precisely good. Perfect episode for Terminator painting!
Great Analysis. Only thing I think doesn't get enough consideration is points costs but only difference I'd have to the top 4 is Deliverers in due to their free Deep Strike and awesome Ravens Talons. IMHO they take the Morlocks and 50:50 vs the Fire Drakes and Cenobium. Huscarl St10 is great but it is far from free...you get 6 Deliverers w ravens talons for 5 Solarite Gauntlet Huscarls.
You underestimate the perfect guard and shriekers on the phénix It makes them almost unkillable 😅 On a long run cenobium would probably win but it will take a lot of time Thanks a lot for this review 👌
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Imagine Biomancy actually working like it did in the old edition :D And also imagine the Sekhmet with a Battle Hardned 1 :D hahahaha a boy can dream :D
A great video but I think you missed one point when comparing, the cost of the units. For some of those units there is 50 points or more difference between a 5 man unit.
Hey guys! Just starting the vid. But I would like to argue that the "tier lists" MAY be a click bait. But it's click bait that works!!! I suspect what you guys don't like is the more childish bickering that the click bait draws. But I suspect the reason why these vids are so "hot" is because the format is an excellent way to get you guys talking about technical details at a high level!!!! As much as I enjoy your legion reviews, we don't get a huuge amount of the nitty gritty. No matter what the subject is, comparisons generally pull you down into the minutiae that us youtube autists love!!!! And as an aside, something i've been both thinking and feeling, is that there is a lack of tactical and strategic content on youtube. I'm talking about vids like "today we're going to demonstrate different types of deployment, and what you can expect the first 2/3 turns of the game to look like based on how you deploy". Using video or picture examples. I've already tried to install all the recording and editing software myself, but my comp doesn't have enough memory!! Regardless, cheers!!!
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The whole thing about Ebon Keshig is they're supposed to be shit. Wearing Terminator armour isn't an elite thing for the White Scars, it's the complete opposite. They get assigned to the Ebon Keshig as a punishment.
Huscarls with solarite gauntlets at str 10 will instant death battle hardened 1. Only even numbers matter regarding doubling out for ID, not sure what you mean with str 11.
Has anyone that claims the inner circle knights are one of the best ever actually done the math? 10v10, Against WS 4 Cataphractii Terminators, no charge for either side, your only getting 3 instant death wounds through. So 3 dead terminators at initiative, maybe 4 if you get lucky and they fail some 2+ saves. The remaining Cataphractii Terminators, if give thunder hammers, will then get ~3.6 wounds through onto the knights. So depending on if they get 3 or 4 hits, that's 3 or 4 dead Inner Circle on average. So they trade poorly into normal terminators, let alone anything with WS 5. I play dark angels and while this unit looks sick, gambling with the swords just isn't worth it. The thunderhammers are the right option but then you lose the +1 to hit and the drip.
Personally I would never charge Huscarls with my Fire Drakes, I’m going to wait for them to charge me, pop the Salamanders advanced reaction & suddenly they’re hitting me on 5’s & they don’t have battle hardened
Well, Sekhmets are not even in the preview thumbnail... I'm predicting a very low place for my red boys 😔 EDIT Surprised they made it to round 3. Sekhmets have some inherent very bad design flaws, like being overcosted for no reason, not being retinue and not having anything really defining to them, but where they really shine is with a Magister of Prospero praetor. With it, they can make full use of their kit and the only cool thing to them, an extra psyker in the unit. This brings them up from a 72% probability of successfully casting the powers to almost 99%. You're basically assured you're gonna have every power you have, and it adds up and scales out of control. Hammer of Wrath 2, +3 movement (so 1+ charge) and ignore terrain, +1 S and +1 T from biomancy, +2 S from achea force (which brings them up to S8 AP2without needing a hammer or a fist), a S10 AP4 Breaching 4+ weapon again from Biomancy, shut reactions down off of the unit they're charging, pin another for free. All of this together is super nasty, and I think brings them up there to the top of the ladder. They'll always lose on a 1v1 unbuffed against the best of the best, but that's not how you want to use them. Fully buffed with a babysit praetor I think they're among the nastiest terminator units of HH2.
Funnily enough ive had really good luck with Contekar vs other tartaros terminators. And ofcpurse great tine vs normal marines. But yeah vs any caterphractii it does hurt. But they are great as a deep strike fuck your back field unit. Etc...
The Dominators are easily the best ones due to how cheap they are. You can put in a chaplain or a biomancer in there and still be under what many other termies cost stock. That being said, Suzerains are the best melee unit bar none.
So I think you'd get fisted way less than it appears. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Huscarls are either an HQ unit or can only be taken as a retinue. They are also 325pts for 5 if you're equipping them with Solarite Gauntlett (thats including the sgt) if they are a retinue though that probably does mean they're likely to be WS6 because of Solar Marshall bullshit though. I think the fact that these guys are locked to those profiles means you'll only really ever see one unit of them on the table, whereas Drakes and Cenobium can be taken in POTL giving them much more opportunity to be effective.
Huscarls absolutely do not beat Firedrakes. Having done the math, Firedrakes win in every scenario except where they charge the Huscarls and the charge is disordered, and even that is narrow. Moreover, Firedrakes perform better than Huscarls against virtually everything in the game, with the exceptions of vehicles, Custodes, and battle-hardened terminators with at least a 4++. Firedrakes are, without doubt, the better unit, unless your meta consists entirely of Custodes, Morlocks, and Argel Tal. Also, I know that this is usually considered an extremely hot take, but Huscarls are severely overrated. Their battle-hardened is extremely difficult to get in practice, as it not only requires you to get charged, but also that you are not currently engaged in melee combat. If you deep strike them (as you should) on top of a serious enemy threat and charge, you are very unlikely to kill that unit in a single turn because Solarites aren't great for that, you can't sweep, and your opponent is guaranteed to be at least inexorable. Anyone or anything that charges you thereafter does not activate battle-hardened, so you get smashed by dreadnoughts, as usual. Moreover, nobody actually just charges you. Everybody knows not to, and they have virtually no reason to, as you aren't scoring. You just spent 60/model to drop a bunch of invincible idiots that don't want to charge into your opponent's deployment zone. None of this is to say that they're not great, just that the realities of the game make them far, far less great than their raw stats would suggest. If you want to hate IF terminators, hate their command squads. I play IF and have never taken Huscarls precisely because command squads are better, but nobody seems to realize this or hate them nearly as much as Huscarls. Tartaros command squads with storm shields and hammers are better than Huscarls in pretty much every single way. They're about the same price with deep strike, are faster, can sweep, actually want to charge (and use your absolutely GOAT legion advanced reaction), and have a way better weapon against 99% of things in the game. They're still worse than fire drakes, but you can deep strike them or just jam Sigismund in there and let your opponent wish that they never betrayed the Emperor. My main army is Templar Assault, and it still stuns me that people complain constantly about Huscarls and Stone Gauntlet, but just don't seem to even acknowledge the existence of the omnicidal hate ball that is Sigismund with a hammernator command squad.
You should never compare terminators on there ability to kill other terminators. Many of them don't fill that roll. Alpha legion lernaean have line and conversion. Beamer. Meaning there ment to push a unit of objectives and hold. And conversion beamer has the range to keep them usefull.
im sorry but deathshroud suck at 70 points per for 3 wounds and battlehardened 1 its not worth it. tartorus armour is there downfall because 3W and BH1 are nice but a 5++ isnt going to save them as most of the other termies have native ap2 weapons and the power scythe needing 6s to rend they will never get meaningful damage through
As a Deathshroud user, I can confirm that they’re pretty good the majority of the time. I feel that them having Tartaros is their biggest boon (combined with the DG legion rule) makes them so fast. Giving them Rad grenades, combined with the scythes means that 3 of them is putting out 15 attacks on the charge, at Initiative, and doubling out their foes. I’ve had 3 Deathshroud take down 3-4 enemy terminators before they get to reply pretty regularly
@@heresyhammeris that just their normal movement speed, or their ability to run? I'm struggling to think of how they can get rad grenades and also be able to run, given that the former comes from the Reaping RoW, which doesn't allow the latter? Or from a character?
@Wotsdat35 there ability to sweep cause they can't run as per the reaping RoW and they would have to have a character attached to have rad grenades , so to make an already hyper overcosted unit good you need a character so atleast another 100 points on top, or you take typhon but lose you ability to sweep and thats 200 points
This Alpha legion terminator tier list looks nice
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Huscarls
But I think you’re very very wrong on the Deathwing vs Deathshroud. Every dark angels player I know takes Terranic Greatswords because of the potential for murderous strike at initiative. This bypasses the Battlehardned.
The deathshroud can’t do anything to counter because they just can’t do enough damage.
I fully agree, they also hit on 3's and not 4's - instant killing on 5+
I'm sure that thunder hammers on dominators would win out on unupgraded Varagyr, especially because it's so easy to whiff that first round of WS6 and make it ineffective. It's also a sure thing if the dominators charge. Additionally, they are so cheap it's criminal. Brutal (2) is an insane rule.
27:00 I mean, give them the Terranic Greatswords and now, in a 5v5, they cost about the same. Lot of Murderous Strike coming in that Battle Hardened does nothing against. Not sure about who wins this in a mathhammer situation. And if it's an AS IS calculation, Deathshroud loses for sure since, as is, they come with 2 for 140pts and have no chance against 5 at 240. So, a bit unclear on how to calculate this. The Power Scythe is just a weak weapon compared to the Terranic Greatsword.
Varagyr having 15 points for a thunder hammer and then 5 points for the claw is great. 5 points for an extra attack on the thunder hammer on every man is crazy good.
A good excuse to remove the upside down bolter too
@mikefrench178 Also if you're absolutely mental (insert any number of Space Wolf reason here) you can dual wield thunder hammers on all of your Varagyr 🤣
@@heresyhammer currently in the process of removing said bolters for thunder hamemrs whilst listening to this!
Really isn't kosher that you didn't give the Cenobium the Terranic Greatswords. Simply put, no one is ever going to not take them when they build that unit.
I mean we discussed them in insane amount of detail hahaha
Yes whoever takes cenobium without terranics lose their right to complain it's the strongest legion specific weapon in the game
Huscarls only get Battle Hardened (1) on the turn in which they are charged. So that necessitates the Fire Drakes getting significantly more attacks that turn. I am pretty sure the math does not work out for the Huscarls.
You forgot the greatest terminators in the game...The Gal Vorbak ;)
For Justerian VS Deliverer. The Justerian get +1S on the charge, so they negate the Battle Hardened, 3A of Thunder Hammer munch through the Deliverer. Then they get - 1S so the Deliverer can't ID them.
100%!
Incase anyones wondering which rules these are..
Justaerin have Furious charge ( +1S.)
AND
Merciless fighters (When charging/charged, enemy gets -1S first turn)
Not gonna argue that three attacks each with Thunder Hammers with Brutal will hurt Deliverers, but order of operations comes into play here. Str is doubled and then you add the bonus for Furious Charge. So S9 THs vs BH Toughness 5. You would need S10 still.
As fun as this is, it's hard to cover every nuance with these units. That's like a 6hr video lol. Even then many of them aren't even designed to go head to head with other legion terminators.
I have always had good success with Deathshroud using Rad Grenades. 3 attacks base + reaping blow 1 and ID vs T4. They are a great condensed melee unit to have in a DG list that is otherwise all shooting, which most of them are.
This guy knows
I think if advanced reactions were included, that would have pushed firedrakes to #1. Going to WS 6 and gaining an attack when charged would have made all of the difference. But all 3 of the top ones could easily switch places depending on circumstances. But yeah, pretty much agree with these results.
Agreement is not something we expected. Thank you wise man
Great video, agree with the end results! Appreciate it would have made the vid longer/needed to be a seperate video, but given the split between a) terminators that are meant for/best used fighting other elite terminators, and b) terminators that are meant for/used best against non-terminators, it would have been nice to see you guys do a side-pool of the best of the latter.
DA Inner circle knights of the broken claw with a moritat is easily one of the best combinations. S7 AP3 brutal 2 Breaching 5+ at initiative with rad grenades for -1 Toughness will crush most targets.
If we're talking about which Terminator unit will dick-kick all the other Terminator units it comes down to Huscarls vs Firedrakes vs Loyalist Deliverer's. Just going by pure math Firedrakes win out thanks to Brutal(2) and rerolling 1's to hit: They deal average 2.5 wounds to Deliverers and receive 1.6. They deal 3 wounds (or instant deaths depending charging unit) against Huscarls and receive 1.3 instant deaths.
Deliverer's deal 1.6 wounds vs Huscarls and receive 2 instant deaths thanks to Solarite str10 being ridiculous.
However if we bring point-efficiency into the argument then Deliverer's will win out due to being 50pts cheaper for a unit of 5 kitted out than both Huscarls and Firedrakes respectively (275pts vs 325pts).
When it comes to flexibility Deliverer's also win out with their wargear options and innate Deep Strike ability coupled with the fact their Battle-Hardened is always on unlike the situational Huscarls.
Finally when it comes to buffs you can stack on a unit a Solar Marshal with Huscarls making them WS6 against traitors makes them stupid good in combat so just don't do that if you want to keep your friends.
So in summary: Firedrakes dick-kick all other Legion Terminators in a vacuum. Stacking buffs in the most ideal situation Huscarl's win out. In general use and flexibility Deliverer's are the best bang for your buck.
You ought to start a channel 😂
@@heresyhammer naaaa I'll leave that to motivated gits like you ❤️
The best bit is when Lee has to pull his hands up to the screen to know which side is the left and right 😂
In early days HH v1, I had to take over 2 turns 28 x 2+ saves on my Firedrakes and failed 21. I didn't take them for a while after that.
As someone that's just finished building my Cenobium lads that I got because I thought they looked great, I'm just glad they're not dogshit :D
Having my legion's terminators (Ebon Keshig) offed in round one hurts, but it was the right call. If they had a rule that gave them +1 to hit against enemy units with higher majority WS (which would help them hit but still get them killed faster like they want) they might have done better.
A nice thought experiment, gents - thanks for posting it!
The Ebon Keshig deserve better, brother. FWIW Jon also lost Dominators in Round 1
Moirax with a Siege claw, x2 strength with a native strength of 7, for when you were talking about Justaerin.
What a coincidence. I was sitting here at the moment to do chipping and weathering on my EC Tartaros Command Squad because the Phoenix Terminators are not precisely good. Perfect episode for Terminator painting!
Terminators: Yes. I love termies so much! I've been playing them as many as I can in my SoH and WE armies since HH started because I love them so much
Name a more iconic unit than the terminator? 🥰
@@heresyhammer Well I mean Rhino... but yeah! termies all the way :D
Great Analysis. Only thing I think doesn't get enough consideration is points costs but only difference I'd have to the top 4 is Deliverers in due to their free Deep Strike and awesome Ravens Talons. IMHO they take the Morlocks and 50:50 vs the Fire Drakes and Cenobium. Huscarl St10 is great but it is far from free...you get 6 Deliverers w ravens talons for 5 Solarite Gauntlet Huscarls.
Tyrant Siege Terminators #1. They strapped missiles to terminators, what's better than that?
Hard to argue….
Before the nerf: the ultramarine variant. ;)
Wish Lerneans had WS5, and their upgrades are all expensive. Great list!
Nice analysis, thanks guys.
Our pleasure!
Great vid! i wish you talked and compared the Custodes Terminators vs the top 4 Legion Termies.
You underestimate the perfect guard and shriekers on the phénix
It makes them almost unkillable 😅
On a long run cenobium would probably win but it will take a lot of time
Thanks a lot for this review 👌
Glad you enjoyed it Captain. Rob hates emperors children as he is a notable prude. Why not send him a poo in the post? I’ll DM you his address. Until we meet again!!
Firedrakes for me... the Sally's Legion reaction getting them to WS6 when charged is brutal and diiirty
100%! I’ve caught out many a justarin who now hits on 5’s & as the Firedrakes are S9 it bypasses the SoH legion trait too
Imagine Biomancy actually working like it did in the old edition :D And also imagine the Sekhmet with a Battle Hardned 1 :D hahahaha a boy can dream :D
Prayers up for the Sekhmeta
I've got Salamanders and Iron hands, love the Morlocks have a squad of 5, with three chainfists
Yes, so gravy
A great video but I think you missed one point when comparing, the cost of the units. For some of those units there is 50 points or more difference between a 5 man unit.
I've been looking foward to this, mostly to get an answer on which I could "legally borrow".
Also, inb4 Ebon Keshigs are the worst.
First!!
@@heresyhammer And....of course the Yellow bucket Marines won. Oh well, guess I am gonna annoy Rogal even more when I yoink his Huscarls.
Hey guys! Just starting the vid. But I would like to argue that the "tier lists" MAY be a click bait. But it's click bait that works!!! I suspect what you guys don't like is the more childish bickering that the click bait draws. But I suspect the reason why these vids are so "hot" is because the format is an excellent way to get you guys talking about technical details at a high level!!!! As much as I enjoy your legion reviews, we don't get a huuge amount of the nitty gritty. No matter what the subject is, comparisons generally pull you down into the minutiae that us youtube autists love!!!!
And as an aside, something i've been both thinking and feeling, is that there is a lack of tactical and strategic content on youtube. I'm talking about vids like "today we're going to demonstrate different types of deployment, and what you can expect the first 2/3 turns of the game to look like based on how you deploy". Using video or picture examples. I've already tried to install all the recording and editing software myself, but my comp doesn't have enough memory!!
Regardless, cheers!!!
You sir, deserve a chocolate bar and can of drink of your choice for the most rational and insightful comment ever posted on the internet.
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The whole thing about Ebon Keshig is they're supposed to be shit. Wearing Terminator armour isn't an elite thing for the White Scars, it's the complete opposite. They get assigned to the Ebon Keshig as a punishment.
Huscarls with solarite gauntlets at str 10 will instant death battle hardened 1. Only even numbers matter regarding doubling out for ID, not sure what you mean with str 11.
I think we only discussed Str11 in relation to shooting Morlocks, no?
Has anyone that claims the inner circle knights are one of the best ever actually done the math? 10v10, Against WS 4 Cataphractii Terminators, no charge for either side, your only getting 3 instant death wounds through. So 3 dead terminators at initiative, maybe 4 if you get lucky and they fail some 2+ saves. The remaining Cataphractii Terminators, if give thunder hammers, will then get ~3.6 wounds through onto the knights. So depending on if they get 3 or 4 hits, that's 3 or 4 dead Inner Circle on average. So they trade poorly into normal terminators, let alone anything with WS 5. I play dark angels and while this unit looks sick, gambling with the swords just isn't worth it. The thunderhammers are the right option but then you lose the +1 to hit and the drip.
Personally I would never charge Huscarls with my Fire Drakes, I’m going to wait for them to charge me, pop the Salamanders advanced reaction & suddenly they’re hitting me on 5’s & they don’t have battle hardened
Love this
Why no Aquilon Terminators?
Sons of Horus got screwed over. Let's hope the fists get merged next year 😂
I’m sorry but you have the Crimson Paladins special rule wrong, they are not minus one to hit, they are minus one to wound with their shields.
Fulmentarus…. One day the sun will shine on us again. I’ll never give up the faith!
We are hated brother Ultramarine! Fulmentarus got nerfed in to the floor. I'm also still mad at what they did to honoured telemechrus!
Telemechrus was rough. Fulmentarus can get in the well-deserved bin..
They’re gone Isaac. Let it go my friend..
@heresyhammer they could of done a sensible nerf instead of making them useless. Doesn't help my main opponent is an IW....
@@padanfain7466 I prefer them as they are now, compared to as they were..., and before anyone asks I do play Ultramarines (and few other legions).
Fists for the win 😊
Fire Drakes. Done. 🤣 Edit: I wrote this before watching. Let's see if Justicars or Deliverers achieve some kind of surprise win.
Well, Sekhmets are not even in the preview thumbnail... I'm predicting a very low place for my red boys 😔
EDIT
Surprised they made it to round 3. Sekhmets have some inherent very bad design flaws, like being overcosted for no reason, not being retinue and not having anything really defining to them, but where they really shine is with a Magister of Prospero praetor. With it, they can make full use of their kit and the only cool thing to them, an extra psyker in the unit. This brings them up from a 72% probability of successfully casting the powers to almost 99%. You're basically assured you're gonna have every power you have, and it adds up and scales out of control. Hammer of Wrath 2, +3 movement (so 1+ charge) and ignore terrain, +1 S and +1 T from biomancy, +2 S from achea force (which brings them up to S8 AP2without needing a hammer or a fist), a S10 AP4 Breaching 4+ weapon again from Biomancy, shut reactions down off of the unit they're charging, pin another for free. All of this together is super nasty, and I think brings them up there to the top of the ladder. They'll always lose on a 1v1 unbuffed against the best of the best, but that's not how you want to use them. Fully buffed with a babysit praetor I think they're among the nastiest terminator units of HH2.
well well well
Ebon keshig prediction, lowest place :P
😂😂😂
Would the hot Egyptian sun not warp the resin of your Tiscan pyramid?
It would make it soft and malleable, perfect for re-modelling as and when the situation necessitates it
Funnily enough ive had really good luck with Contekar vs other tartaros terminators. And ofcpurse great tine vs normal marines. But yeah vs any caterphractii it does hurt. But they are great as a deep strike fuck your back field unit. Etc...
Classic Night Lords bully unit. Could not agree more. They don’t want a fair fight, they want to make sure the deck is stacked in their favour
Ebon keisheg are not elite terminators. They are a suicide squad tar pit.
The Dominators are easily the best ones due to how cheap they are. You can put in a chaplain or a biomancer in there and still be under what many other termies cost stock. That being said, Suzerains are the best melee unit bar none.
I would agree that with Varagyr having to pay 15pts to get the TH the Dominators get for free for equal points you can get a lot more Dominators!
Classic Perturaban tactic
✊ Fisted again ✊
As always…..
So I think you'd get fisted way less than it appears. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Huscarls are either an HQ unit or can only be taken as a retinue. They are also 325pts for 5 if you're equipping them with Solarite Gauntlett (thats including the sgt) if they are a retinue though that probably does mean they're likely to be WS6 because of Solar Marshall bullshit though.
I think the fact that these guys are locked to those profiles means you'll only really ever see one unit of them on the table, whereas Drakes and Cenobium can be taken in POTL giving them much more opportunity to be effective.
Like that view
Not space marine but what about aquilon terminators
Huscarls absolutely do not beat Firedrakes. Having done the math, Firedrakes win in every scenario except where they charge the Huscarls and the charge is disordered, and even that is narrow. Moreover, Firedrakes perform better than Huscarls against virtually everything in the game, with the exceptions of vehicles, Custodes, and battle-hardened terminators with at least a 4++. Firedrakes are, without doubt, the better unit, unless your meta consists entirely of Custodes, Morlocks, and Argel Tal.
Also, I know that this is usually considered an extremely hot take, but Huscarls are severely overrated. Their battle-hardened is extremely difficult to get in practice, as it not only requires you to get charged, but also that you are not currently engaged in melee combat. If you deep strike them (as you should) on top of a serious enemy threat and charge, you are very unlikely to kill that unit in a single turn because Solarites aren't great for that, you can't sweep, and your opponent is guaranteed to be at least inexorable. Anyone or anything that charges you thereafter does not activate battle-hardened, so you get smashed by dreadnoughts, as usual. Moreover, nobody actually just charges you. Everybody knows not to, and they have virtually no reason to, as you aren't scoring. You just spent 60/model to drop a bunch of invincible idiots that don't want to charge into your opponent's deployment zone. None of this is to say that they're not great, just that the realities of the game make them far, far less great than their raw stats would suggest.
If you want to hate IF terminators, hate their command squads. I play IF and have never taken Huscarls precisely because command squads are better, but nobody seems to realize this or hate them nearly as much as Huscarls. Tartaros command squads with storm shields and hammers are better than Huscarls in pretty much every single way. They're about the same price with deep strike, are faster, can sweep, actually want to charge (and use your absolutely GOAT legion advanced reaction), and have a way better weapon against 99% of things in the game. They're still worse than fire drakes, but you can deep strike them or just jam Sigismund in there and let your opponent wish that they never betrayed the Emperor. My main army is Templar Assault, and it still stuns me that people complain constantly about Huscarls and Stone Gauntlet, but just don't seem to even acknowledge the existence of the omnicidal hate ball that is Sigismund with a hammernator command squad.
No morlocks?
They were knocked out late doors
Gorgon of course !
*cry*
You should never compare terminators on there ability to kill other terminators. Many of them don't fill that roll. Alpha legion lernaean have line and conversion. Beamer. Meaning there ment to push a unit of objectives and hold. And conversion beamer has the range to keep them usefull.
Completely agree, but the context of the video was comparing terminators against other terminators
"film with the French actor"!!??
Excuse you??
Also, allegedly there's a Henry Cavill remake in the works
I know, I couldn’t believe that faux-pas either. So uncouth
He was ok in Highlander (back then), let's just say that he hasn't improved as an actor since then...
Putting ebon keshig in this is almost bullying, poor guys aren't legion elites. They're just dudes trying to do their job.
Not unfair
im sorry but deathshroud suck at 70 points per for 3 wounds and battlehardened 1 its not worth it. tartorus armour is there downfall because 3W and BH1 are nice but a 5++ isnt going to save them as most of the other termies have native ap2 weapons and the power scythe needing 6s to rend they will never get meaningful damage through
As a Deathshroud user, I can confirm that they’re pretty good the majority of the time. I feel that them having Tartaros is their biggest boon (combined with the DG legion rule) makes them so fast. Giving them Rad grenades, combined with the scythes means that 3 of them is putting out 15 attacks on the charge, at Initiative, and doubling out their foes. I’ve had 3 Deathshroud take down 3-4 enemy terminators before they get to reply pretty regularly
@@heresyhammeris that just their normal movement speed, or their ability to run? I'm struggling to think of how they can get rad grenades and also be able to run, given that the former comes from the Reaping RoW, which doesn't allow the latter? Or from a character?
@Wotsdat35 there ability to sweep cause they can't run as per the reaping RoW and they would have to have a character attached to have rad grenades , so to make an already hyper overcosted unit good you need a character so atleast another 100 points on top, or you take typhon but lose you ability to sweep and thats 200 points
Alpha Legion have already won 😅
And yes disappointed that IF won…
Aren’t we all…