Perturabo is simultaneously the galaxy’s largest martyr complex, inferiority complex, and superiority complex stacked on top of eachother in power armor. Edit: The comment string of replies either got their understanding of him from biased UA-cam videos or read the books with their eyes closed. Nobody who kills their sister over being told the truth is some misunderstood person.
@GatoSacro he gets the job done when no other legion could or wants he doesn't throw fits when he's told to go do a shit siege or Another war of attrition
Konrad for me. I've felt abandoned by everyone I've ever cared about at one point or another in my life and while I don't have precognition, I'm both incredibly intelligent and wise so I can see where shit is going but when I try to warn people about it, they ignore me or get mad at me because I don't pull my punches.
While I do think it's a tragedy that nobody recognized the irony of a Primarch being vulnerable about something, and not sharing it, and (IIRC) many subtle things causing Peterabo to further forge a shell around his insecurity, while it never left and still chewed at him, I will not stop calling him "Peter-boo-hoo".
I want to add that Perturabo was capable of kindness and compassion, in Magnus’s primarch novel Perty features a lot in. He is coordinating the evacuation of an entire planet, and he puts just as much effort into it as he does any siege, total commitment to evacuating as many people as possible. And it also shows off his genuine brotherhood with Magnus, they’re nerd bros, they love knowledge and Perty cares for Magnus and tries to warn him off from doing things he knows he shouldn’t do.
More than the wars and battles, the analysis of these demigods makes the whole universe more accessible to me. Very well done. You're one of the few I've listened to that really brings this home. Well done Sir.
I don't agree entirely with your view of Parturabo. His adoptive father is shown multiple times trying to cheer him up, one time he even enters perty's tower and gushes over his designs for buildings, asks him why he never showed them to him because he would have been happy to let him build them and perturabo kicks him out. Demmekos liked perty, maybe even loved him, but he was a ruler in a harsh world filled with harsh people where every resource was finite and equally important, surrounded by other rulers of equally harsh places and people. Weakness is simply something that can't be shown in the open on Olympia, and openly showing kindness is seen by many as weakness. Perturabo distanced himself from his father and the rest of his adoptive family at every opportunity, Calliphone, arguably the only person who ever spent much time with him, is spot on when she tells him that he enjoys having a martyr complex. Perturabo, at every point during his childhood and during the crusade had every opportunity to change his life around and do what he truly loved, he had every opportunity to complain, to say no, to ask for a reprieve or for a more fair division of shitty missions amongst the legions. He chose not to. Because of all primarchs Perturabo is, surprisingly, the most human in all the wrong places. Perturabo loved to create projects of incredible efficiency, scope, beauty and utility. He never built one and hardly ever showed them to anyone, not because he lacked the means, but because he was afraid. He was afraid that if the emperor said yes and let him build them, and they ended up in failure, or even worse, if Rogal made a better one, then that would be undeniable proof that he was the worst builder of the two. But as long as he kept himself from trying, as long as he found excuses, he could at least pretend he was as intelligent as he believed himself to be. Perturabo, unlike his asterte sons and his other primarch brothers, feels fear. Not the fear of the unknown or fear of death, but fear of rejection, and being afraid of being rejected he constantly maneuvered himself in position where he couldn't make demands or a true effort at a relationship with anyone. He even went so far as to build himself defense automatons rather than have a honor guard, his excuse is that "he didn't trust his legionaries enough", as if, it was just another way to put up a wall between him and people. I don't even think he did so on purpose, this is something humans do every day without even realizing it. Perturabo didn't need kindess or support, Perturabo needed someone that kicked him in the ass and forced him to do what he truly loved to do regardless of the consequences and of his bitching and moaning, Perturabo needed a friend.
Perturabo: "I am better than everyone around me." Normal person: "No you aren't." Perturabo: 'Gestures to the other Traitor Primarchs.' Normal person: "Well..."
Deep down, Peter Turbo is feeling super embarrassed, being a servant of Chaos after all his big talk. You can use someone's childhood as exhibit #1 as to why they are the way they are, but Petey is thousands of years old, he has to accept blame for his present state of robot demon prince. This might be a case of "Kill 'em all and let the Emperor sort 'em out."
@lykos2738 nobody is a bigger hypocrite than Morty, Peter Turbo might have dropped the whole "I'll get the job done no questions asked no matter what" and been petulant on occasion but he didn't become everything he claimed to despise. Mortarion became the very thing he railed against in Nikea, no different from the adopted father he claimed to hate and he did it all to save his own skin. Perty never really abandoned the Iron Within, Mortarion spit on everything he stood for.
@@Dogue83 I don't know about that. Typhus literally pulled the biggest dick move in The Buried Dagger. Mortarion was looking at an eternity of cancer AIDS.
Considering Peter Turbo hates all basically all of the chaos gods and would shove them all in a machine if he could, I think at this point he’s extremely pissed off at Fulgrim for putting him in the daemon robot suit b/c now the officio assassianorium can’t just walk up and stab him like they did with Conrad
Perty still has to become an adult. His BEST and sanest moment was quitting the Siege of Terra. He could be relateable if he wasn't an OP demigod commanding huge armies... who still victimises himself and thinks life owes him. For all his innovations, he embodies stagnancy and rust. And teenagen angst.
Perturabo is a fantastic embodiment of the idea that satisfaction can’t be solely external. He never could find worth in himself, and relied on others to prove to *himself* that he was worth something. Perturabo is someone who *hates himself.* It’s plainly obvious. His behavior maps disturbingly well to Borderline Personality Disorder. A personality shaped by a neglectful childhood. This is why he’s my favorite Primarch. I can relate to the guy. I am that “artist” that was forced into a more pragmatic role. I think a lot of people can relate to looking for validation from *someone, anyone* just to prove to *yourself* deep down that you are wanted, that you deserve better. Best Primarch. He’s so beautifully broken.
So you think BPD comes from neglect? I thought it comes from a turbulent (abuse-love) childhood. So it would be kind of self-replicating. I'm no expert, though.
To be honest you had already covered Perturabo well in your Iron Warriors legion video and figured you'd skip this one because of that. Thank you for taking a deeper dive into this character. God bless.
I think Pertys greatest flaw was his inability to say no and set protect himself. Because he was treated so poorly by his human father and then by the emperor he constantly treads a line between shielding himself off from other so they can't hurt him but desperately yearing for their approval and doing anything to get it. Hence the high attrition rates in his battles. He couldn't say no to the emperor when asked to complete a thankless suicide mission and count say no to Horus when asked to do the same. His final act in the side of Terra, to finally say no to those who abuse and manipulate him, finally protecting his sons as well is his last moment of growth and the completion of his arc. Despite all the flaws in the way he of written, its all around a really solid core that I love.
A couple years ago I found myself using that phrase regularly. I don't even know where I would have heard it first but it just kind of became something I keep in mind.
For most people sure, but I don't like pretending to care about people. Then people think you're trying to be their friend and I feel even worse when it's like "I was just trying to be nice, I don't like you or even have feelings about you in the slightest, I was just following a blind platitude." I see it happen to me and it irritates me because, if you don't really care, in my eyes, your kindness is performative.
@@Khashmonet that I hate fake kindness? That I also hate giving people the wrong idea so I also don't give out fake kindness? I'm not saying be mean, but I hate and wish people wouldn't for example, give fake smiles when they aren't happy to see you. I'm 90% sure I have some kind of undiagnosed autism, so I find it really frustrating how I can never tell how people are really feeling in a given moment, so I'd prefer if people were honest in their interactions.
I really liked your ladder metaphor, it can apply to a lot of things. Perturabo is a character I can relate to because I feel like I was in that cycle of not knowing how to express what you really needed, leading to a self-fulling prophecy. Seeing the Eye of Terror at a young age must have been a really confusing thing especially for a very logic driven character. Here is this strange thing in your mind's eye, what is it fate calling you? Taunting you? Warning you? You don’t have a clue. Hiding that from his brothers thinking it was some kind of flaw or defect is going to sabotage your relationships as well. My mini Peter Turbo rant is over.
Seconded (thirded? Whatever numbereded) on this already being my favorite series. On a note, I think a lot of us who have taken up tabletop gaming especially relate to this particular video because the idea of being an outcast is what led us to our respective nerdtastic hobbies. My gateway drug was Magic…but 40k and Battletech got me eventually. My personal perspective is that I had enough people who showed enough kindness to keep me from being apathetic to the world, but my particular brand of ADHD and hyper alertness brought on by spending entirely too much time being shot at really allowed some of my confirmation bias shit to take hold as I continue to be unimpressed with *gestures vaguely at the world*. And that’s why I found a therapist. Also to be better for my amazing wife (she’s super empathetic and my gloominess brings her down and I don’t want that). Also having a daughter on the way and I will do everything in my power to make sure she doesn’t go to therapy for the same reasons I did.
I always imagine the Iron Warriors exited to see their dad, only for Perturabo to appear and start screaming the LTG speech to conclude and say : "As a matter of fact, get that ass decimated" 😂😂😂
The first "in depth" thing I ever read about ole Peter Turbo was his perspective chapter in The End & The Death part 3, and this take honestly fits perfectly with my read and understanding of the character from it. He clearly knows his own flaws and understands how to take measures to minimize collateral damage because he also knows he can't control it. I personally have the dubious pleasure of a cocktail of ADHD, major depressive disorder, and panic disorder (that I know of. Could well be more) and I was utterly shocked how sympathetic and relateable he was just from that one single chapter.
"Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost…" Charlie Chaplin - The Great Dictator
I don't think Perturabo would have been well adjusted without heavy, HEAVY effort from a young age - he's got that "Autism - and not just the good kind" baked into the character. And the nature of the Crusade made it impossible for him to focus on anything else - there was no time to let him set up an agrarian world to be as efficient as humanly possible, or to create a perfect Hive city, or the like. Once one Compliance was finished, it was off to the next one, and again, and again. No, Perturabo could never flourish under the Imperium and Emperor. He was always destined to fall, and be broken by it.
The great dream of my life was to become an artist. My family supported me, but many of my peers had parents that weren't supportive. And let me tell you that truly fucks a person up. The fact that Damokos denigrated Perturabo's amazing works of art, called them his "follies", then demanded that Perturabo love him was a *major* factor in this character. I feel like nobody really noticed how huge that was. It takes someone with personal experience on the matter to point that out. They'll say Perturabo is petulant, that he's a man child, that he's petty. No, no. DAMOKOS was the adult. Forging that relationship was *his* responsibility. He damaged Perturabo's attitude towards his own work and denied him the opportunity to put it to positive use. Then the Emperor continued this practice, whether he knew it or not. He certainly didn't do much, if anything, to mend Perturabo's soul. He put brain-damaged Angron out into the galaxy and he left Perturabo the way he found him. I know time was of the essence in the Great Crusade and all, but I think The Emperor allowed the wound in Perturabo's heart to just fester and fester. He treated his well adjusted Primarchs like sons and he treated the damaged ones like weapons. I was encouraged to pursue my dream, but I have never truly found a proper place for it in the world. No matter how much I tried, it hasn't gotten the recognition I feel it deserves. And yet, I have seen work that was much less thought-provoking than mine see great success. That has done a huge number on my mental health. But I'm glad I gave it a shot. I cannot imagine what I would be like if my family had sabotaged my art.
I used to empathize with Perturabo a lot more, feeling bitter at the world and alone. But eventually, I realized something: I was choosing to act like this. I was choosing to view the world and act in a way that led me to feeling so awful, instead of doing anything else I was doing exactly what made me miserable. Perturabo is the exact same. He may have had a hard life and grown up around people who were cold and manipulative, but he choose to continue down the path laid for him. He chose the hardest jobs and delt with them in the most brutal and uncaring way possible and complained that nobody glorified his victories. He acted liked a bitter jerk around everyone and wondered why nobody wanted to hang out with him. He allowed his anger and resentment to control him, and suffered the consequences of his actions. To quote Calliphone herself *'For a long time, I thought you a fool to follow the Emperor. After all, he is a tyrant like all the rest. Look what he has done to you, I thought. He has brutalised you, and your wars have brutalised your home. But the truth is, brother, I have followed your campaigns carefully, and I noticed a pattern that disturbed and then alarmed me. Always you do things the most difficult way, and in the most painful manner. You cultivate a martyr's complex, lurching from man to man, holding out your bleeding wrists so they might see how you hurt yourself. You brood in the shadows when all you want to do is scream, 'Look at me!' You are too arrogant to win people over through effort. You expect people to notice you there in the half-darkness, and point and shout out, 'There! There is the great Perturabo! See how he labours without complaint!' 'You came to this court as a precocious child. Your abilities were so prodigious that nobody stopped to look at what you were becoming.'*
I’d say that was one of the focus on the morale of kindness in this video, using Perturavo as a case example over exploring his life. There were many examples of misinformation or under representation of how he fell from who was to what he became in the relationship around him, Not to mention his abilities being able to see terror from planet side having an effect Or having a conversation with one of the Primark and opening up,
I was the first student at my school with a fatal peanut allergy, it made me a target for bullying, it made my parents treat me differently than my siblings, and it made me untouchable by the other students as teachers were trained to be keenly aware of my health. I think it led to a huge number of interactions where I dealt with people who were completely indifferent to me as a person and only focused on my allergy, so I feel you man.
I remember reading that Vulkan crafted a mechanical dog that he gifted to Perty. He still uses it to pass time with joy and once when he was bored just threw it at Angron, making it out of tune mechanically. Remember it drowned him with regret.
Perturabo is the most relatable primarch for me, and thinking about that for too long bothers me. Being raised among people who are universally indifferent to you is a hard thing to get passed, and oddly enough thinking about Perturabo helps keep me from becoming like him.
If only perturabo called communicate better. I do understand him because I was once super awkward as an anime and game loving kid thus I had bad communication skills. Always been angry and dying inside because of these feelings but all I had to do was find someone to talk to and I became a much better person. Super happy and grateful for that person for seeing past my awkwardness and just listened to me
Pertarabo was on constrained by his own love of being a victim. He was a god damn Primarch. He was told by his adoptive father that he could have made things that were not for war if he wanted to. His own adoptive brother was allowed to be an artist. Only Pertarabo claimed he had to be a weapon or a general, or that his father forced that on him (as if a mere mortal could force a Primarch to do ANYTHING if he didn’t want to). Same with his decisions to take all the worst assignments and to never improve the lives of the people on the planets he conquered. Every other legion and Primarch chose their battles, turned things down and went about their business as they chose. The IF’s didn’t just conquer and move on, they fortified and made great, beautiful restorations and new public works before leaving entirely. Magnus, Vulkan, Fulgrim and Guilliman all made sure they left a world better than they found it. Pertarabo was just naturally an arsehole. If you swapped Angron and Pertarabo, Angron would have been a Thesius like mythical hero, uniting the people of Olympia and elevating them to be more than they had been previously, while Pertarabo would not have been given the nails, because he never would have refused to kill his mentor/father figure. And then he’d be bitter about how much better Angron had it because he landed on a paradise world like Olympia.
Nah man, Perty has a victim complex, which his sister rightly called out before he crushed her wind pipe , his dad on Olympia tried to get him to chill on war and build all his wonders and he responded with snide comments and derision, He blamed everyone except himself for everything
I like these character analysis videos, UA-cam is already saturated with wiki reading frauds and slop merchants. An actual deeper perspective on 40k is a breath of fresh air.
Lets be honest, if treated kindly, purty and angron might have been the kindest, helpful, empathetic and noble of all the primarcs. Instead we got petulance and damaged goods.
Dornian heresy Peter is neat, because he just has the philosophy I never want my children to feel the way I do. So he made sure they didn't feel used after he hit rock bottom from killing his sister
I think Perturabo did this to himself partialy. The reason why he acted like that is raesonable but he had a way forward that was better laid before him by he's sister who was kind despite how he acted. All he needed to do is step on it or admit he's tired and hurt. But he didn't he was too afraid and too spiteful so he reached the point of no return and never looked back blaming all he's suffering on other which tbh was partialy true.
Actually re read the hammer of olympiad, pert and adopted dad was sure using him however he was adored by him too, so was he by his Foster sister, he rejected his adopted father countless times because he deemed than as being lesser or not seeing his true worth/genius (especially when he had his temper tantrum in his invention room) he only wanted the emperor because he knew since the beginning he was a primarch.. the touching part of it is that he was building new type of where filtration, theaters, collossums in his free time and was irritated that the olympians cared of his genius only for their petty power gains ... - a fan of perturabo, the one who was craving so much for attention amd outperformed everything amd everyone (I mean... he single handedly managed the siege of terra tbh) the saddest part of it all is what his adopted sister told him before she met her demise, made him cry amd for a glimpse of time realised how petulant and irresponsibly harsh he was. Then believed the emperor would never forgive him and thought joining horus was the last resort option... which is quite retarded given the fact they were created to coerce or genocide the galaxy ^^
Yeah you forgot about the black smith that took him in him after he came down from the mountain. He fed him. Gave him a roof over his head. Let him use his forge to hone his already genetic memory gifts. His sister must have been another retcon. I don't remember her being that kind.
My personal belief about whenever we blame nurture vs nature or produce excuses for actions beyond our control is that, taking into account one's upbringing and/or circumstances, WHICH IS a driving argument I do not disregard, it is their conscienceous decision and no one else's. That at the end of the day, anyone with a functional enough brain has the critical thinking ability to discern right from wrong, righteousness from evil, and positivity from negativity. That they knew better yet chose not to follow that path. We are of course imperfect, and our upbringing, no matter how great, is also imperfect. A childhood of struggling may turn a man bitter, or in turn make him resilient and resourceful. A childhood of no struggling may make a woman entitled and apathetic to the struggles of others, or push her to reflect that environment she thrived in unto others. In relevance to this video, I think it was Perturabo's nature of apathy, and delusions of martyrdom that drove him down his path. It was his own adopted-sister who admonished Perturabo. She saw through his facade of self-martyrdom and called him out for it. Perturabo is a sad case for what could have been and now we see what he has become. I hope others reading this will understand the importance of responsibility and choice over the irresponsibility and cowardice of seeking pity in excuses.
I've been an warhammer 40k fan for roughly 2/3 years, i'v watched plenty of videos, looked at a lot of wikis, read a bunch of lore (both canon, homebrew and fan-made lore such as dornian heresy) and i never seen someone analyze primarchs as humans, as real people, only analyzing them by the mistakes they made, their flanderization. Loved your fulgrim video, and i loved this one even more.
Greek guy here to let you know that Calliope and Calliphony are basically the same! The Calli part comes from the word "kallos" (κάλλος) which means beauty. The "Ope" part in Calliope is from the ancient greek word "ops" (όψ) which means voice. "Phony" in Calliphony takes the modern version of the same word "phoni" (φωνή) so both names mean the one with the beautiful voice! Really good video as always Arthur!!
I think that fits him right. Though, I think some of his weird mix of stoicism and petulance was his own nature, at least partially. And that's the thing that made him reject offers for help, let alone ask himself.
Bro, I’m so excited for when you get to Angron. I deeply connect with the world eaters and think people don’t give them enough credit and how the butcher’s nails are such an amazing representation of self destructive impulses such as in my case when I was a new husband/father trying to support us as a single income home, and I kept leaning on smoking as supposed vent of stress relief even though all it did was exacerbate all of our problems money wasted, worsened health, and overall put me more on edge every moment I wasn’t out on that deck with a cigarette. I can proudly say I’ve now been smoke free for almost a year and a half and now have a second little one.
Arthur, great upload! Whatever the frack you call these things.. I really liked you're honesty towards the end, the human element trying to explain the human element within a superhuman fictional character
My ADHD hits so hard, you could have switched back and forth tactfully between both names and I've could have been sold on the idea it was my fault for hearing things. Lol
I feel you on the constant moving...military family and I think it gave me a very deep loneliness that makes it incredibly hard to be alone for very long and hard to let go of people even if they were toxic or manipulative. It feels comforting and sad to see others that understand
Never has it felt better to have a primarch with a low number as a favorite (for the Khan!), my heart goes out to salamander, raven guard and alpha legion fans
I'll fear him as soon as he can complete a campaign without murdering one of his own subordinates in a fit of pique. And the tantrum he threw after Horus rightly relieved him of command of the Siege of Terra after the Saturnine debacle? Just embarrassing. His failings as a man, not a general, are why he'll never come close to equaling Dorn.
I think in reality, The Emperor saw Perturabo as vital, I think perhaps even more vital than some of the favourites like Guilliman or Sanguinius. After all, he gets the second most wargear out of any Primarch, the second largest Gloriana class ship, making it the third-largest ship in the Imperial navy, and those that tried to question his methods were censored personally by The Emperor himself. I think AE still is the most important character study of the guy, since it's there we learn that Perturabo sees his treachery as his punishment for Olympia. I think on account of his perfectionism, Perturabo just cannot see how an imperium with him in it can live up to his own exacting standards, so he excises himself from it, and because The Emperor fails to excise him at all, directly or indirectly, he feels that the imperium cannot work with The Emperor either. That's why at the end of the book, he essentially thinks that Horus is the only honourable person left, and that's why he follows him. Perturabo's opinion seems to shift over the course of the heresy from thereon, but I think this is an oft overlooked part of his character as well.
I like Perturabo because he saw the Emperor for exactly what he was. Not the most... evil and abusive person, but someone who only saw his 'children' as actual tools. As the Emperor himself told Roboute Guilliman when the latter returned. When Guilliman eventually meets with Perturabo again, I hope he actually says "You were right, in this instance." That might actually move the needle in getting Perturabo to actually chill and back off- even if I never see a world where he becomes a 'Loyalist.' The announcement he became a Daemon Prince is bull crud though. Does that require pledging your soul to Chaos, the thing the Iron Warriors swear never to do?
A similar case can be made for each of the chaos primarchs to one degree or the other. A personal favorite of mine is Lorgar who I feel is really misunderstood by the community. Before his fall to chaos, he is genuinely seen to show the most compassion for the people and his brothers. I grew up in a religious home where the faith was used more like a weapon than a means to unify. I grew up hating the whole religion as a child and into my teen years. Then I actually read the texts for myself and realized how badly it was misrepresented in my early life. Lorgar had one of the worst childhoods, being beaten, abused and mistreated by his foster father. Yet, we see Lorgar grow to be kind and compassionate, even going as far as forgiving his abuser and rescuing him from the mob. He then transforms the word bearers, a legion the emperor in all his wisdom intended to be used for the fervent genocide of all theists in the galaxy, into devoted servants of the people, helping them adapt to the teachings of the emperor. We have his compassion for his brothers with how he desperately dug Angron out of a rubble in the middle of a war with no regard for his own safety, nearly dying in the process but was saved by Angron. Later he even resurrects Angron as a demon prince in a misplaced way of showing his love for him and not wanting to see Angron die. He is one of if not the only to have some solid character development as he eventually learns to be independent and not seek validation from others all the time, but this key moment is overshadowed with how badly he got bodied a second time by Corax. His planet Monarchia was filled with people genuinely devoted to the emperor. They not just some people beaten into submission by a stronger army, but the emperor comes around, throws a hissy fit that it isn't what he wanted and humiliated the entire legion, before genociding the entire planet filled with complacent, innocent, and devoted citizens. All in front of Lorgar. Lorgar had to watch all those people he preached to about the emperor, get completely destroyed by their "savior". In the end, Lorgar was right about one thing. The people need some sort of belief system, whether it be the greater good, Imperial cult, or the chaos gods. In a universe with sadistic elves, eldritch nightmares, ancient killer robots, and demons, even a atheist with pray for protection.
I think it is time for 40k to have something like fantasies endtimes. BUT: Instead of just burning it all to the ground and starting from the beginning, it should be the redemption of the fallen primarcks and have the emperor return to the setting. So, basucally, warhammer 50k (and yes, i know we are currently in m42, but still). You can still have all the stuff going on in the background that people love, AND have an emperor having to deal with an imperium he never wanted in a world he tried to prevent without the help of the few friends he ever had, while having to deal with his loyal sons and the redeemed fallen, and the animosity, hate and blame between them all. Maybe even throw clonegrim in there while the snake is still in the warp, trying to entice him. Have the last surviving loyalists come out of hiding or embrace their true self (like members of the gray knights, etc). So you still have the grimdark shithole of an empire as the emperor and primarcks have to face the rest of the galaxy and the gods angry for losing their toys. Maybe even have angron stay with chaos as khorn has given him more than the emperor ever could. Leave horus, ferrus and sanguinius dead, and have morty be an asshole as the only reason he let homself be redeemed was to get out of the grasp of nurgle. Just a hope i have. Who knows. Anoyone whose got this far, thanks for reading my ted talk, and please, like and comment down below how you of like my idea. And i'll se you all under the next video. Bye.
Before the horus heresy novels retconned (and im my opinion ruined a lot of things about the story of the heresy) Perturabo and the iron warriors were one of my favourite parts of the story. I don't like how they turned Perturabo into a cruel jerk who abused his legion and killed people just because they gave him bad news. And i still prefer the original story behjnd the legions downfall to chaos. But I'm glad that they did seem to keep the whole, "he gave everything and got almost nothing back" I have mixed feelings about them tweaking the story, but appreciate how Perty is a good example of the value of kindness
I mean it doesn't help that the Emperor designed the Primarchs to be his literal galaxy conquering generals. And the Emperor has been alive for tens of thousands of years, he should know how to read his kids and parent them better by know you would hope. XD
Can a do another night lords video detailing the rise of Decimus From what ever lore exists he in anyway aware of the duel legacy he must live up to (talos and the night haunter) Interesting how the characters of Decimus and talos are intrinsically linked despite neither of them knowing about the other
We can pin point with 100% accuracy what made Peturabo so nasty coocoo head, as when he was climbing on a clif during rein storm he expirience something we can call "storm of knowlage" clearing his memmories to that poin clean (something like 5 to 6 years of life) and made Parturabo to see constantly the Eye of Terror, constanly judging and mocking him for every decition. As before that he was completly different person
Getting told "Shut up and get it done." can and will turn into telling yourself "Shut up and get it done." Thanks for this video.
"We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity." Damn. That fits perfectly. Well done, sir.
Workers of the world, unite!
“The Great Dictator”
Charlie Chaplains first talking picture and he decides to knock it out of the freaking park!
Perturabo is simultaneously the galaxy’s largest martyr complex, inferiority complex, and superiority complex stacked on top of eachother in power armor.
Edit: The comment string of replies either got their understanding of him from biased UA-cam videos or read the books with their eyes closed. Nobody who kills their sister over being told the truth is some misunderstood person.
You missed workaholic
You missed petulant baby
@@GatoSacro you missed never complaining
@@Jacobp-li9fi isn't part of his entire personality that he actually did that a lot with his sons and sister?
@GatoSacro he gets the job done when no other legion could or wants he doesn't throw fits when he's told to go do a shit siege or Another war of attrition
Calling Perty a "Meanie poo-poo head" made me chuckle.
Extra credit for using the word “decimate” correctly this time ❤
In ancient Rome, decimation was a military punishment that involved killing one out of every ten soldiers.
Perturabo is genuinely the one character from this setting I can relate to, specifically for his upbringing and the results therein.
Want a hug...?
Same. Tough it out and pull through brother, don’t get hung up on bullshit and let it bring you down.
You made me self reflect... I do not know if I feel more alike to Mortarion or Corvus Corax now.
Konrad for me. I've felt abandoned by everyone I've ever cared about at one point or another in my life and while I don't have precognition, I'm both incredibly intelligent and wise so I can see where shit is going but when I try to warn people about it, they ignore me or get mad at me because I don't pull my punches.
While I do think it's a tragedy that nobody recognized the irony of a Primarch being vulnerable about something, and not sharing it, and (IIRC) many subtle things causing Peterabo to further forge a shell around his insecurity, while it never left and still chewed at him, I will not stop calling him "Peter-boo-hoo".
I want to add that Perturabo was capable of kindness and compassion, in Magnus’s primarch novel Perty features a lot in. He is coordinating the evacuation of an entire planet, and he puts just as much effort into it as he does any siege, total commitment to evacuating as many people as possible. And it also shows off his genuine brotherhood with Magnus, they’re nerd bros, they love knowledge and Perty cares for Magnus and tries to warn him off from doing things he knows he shouldn’t do.
I loved it when he told off Magnus from using the Warp.
More than the wars and battles, the analysis of these demigods makes the whole universe more accessible to me. Very well done. You're one of the few I've listened to that really brings this home. Well done Sir.
I don't agree entirely with your view of Parturabo. His adoptive father is shown multiple times trying to cheer him up, one time he even enters perty's tower and gushes over his designs for buildings, asks him why he never showed them to him because he would have been happy to let him build them and perturabo kicks him out. Demmekos liked perty, maybe even loved him, but he was a ruler in a harsh world filled with harsh people where every resource was finite and equally important, surrounded by other rulers of equally harsh places and people. Weakness is simply something that can't be shown in the open on Olympia, and openly showing kindness is seen by many as weakness.
Perturabo distanced himself from his father and the rest of his adoptive family at every opportunity, Calliphone, arguably the only person who ever spent much time with him, is spot on when she tells him that he enjoys having a martyr complex.
Perturabo, at every point during his childhood and during the crusade had every opportunity to change his life around and do what he truly loved, he had every opportunity to complain, to say no, to ask for a reprieve or for a more fair division of shitty missions amongst the legions. He chose not to. Because of all primarchs Perturabo is, surprisingly, the most human in all the wrong places.
Perturabo loved to create projects of incredible efficiency, scope, beauty and utility. He never built one and hardly ever showed them to anyone, not because he lacked the means, but because he was afraid. He was afraid that if the emperor said yes and let him build them, and they ended up in failure, or even worse, if Rogal made a better one, then that would be undeniable proof that he was the worst builder of the two. But as long as he kept himself from trying, as long as he found excuses, he could at least pretend he was as intelligent as he believed himself to be.
Perturabo, unlike his asterte sons and his other primarch brothers, feels fear. Not the fear of the unknown or fear of death, but fear of rejection, and being afraid of being rejected he constantly maneuvered himself in position where he couldn't make demands or a true effort at a relationship with anyone. He even went so far as to build himself defense automatons rather than have a honor guard, his excuse is that "he didn't trust his legionaries enough", as if, it was just another way to put up a wall between him and people.
I don't even think he did so on purpose, this is something humans do every day without even realizing it. Perturabo didn't need kindess or support, Perturabo needed someone that kicked him in the ass and forced him to do what he truly loved to do regardless of the consequences and of his bitching and moaning, Perturabo needed a friend.
perturabo the very essence of a Greek tragedy
Perturabo: "I am better than everyone around me."
Normal person: "No you aren't."
Perturabo: 'Gestures to the other Traitor Primarchs.'
Normal person: "Well..."
Deep down, Peter Turbo is feeling super embarrassed, being a servant of Chaos after all his big talk. You can use someone's childhood as exhibit #1 as to why they are the way they are, but Petey is thousands of years old, he has to accept blame for his present state of robot demon prince. This might be a case of "Kill 'em all and let the Emperor sort 'em out."
He's a bigger hypocrite than Mortarion in that regard. Morty can at least say that he was forced to cut a deal to save his legion.
@@lykos2738 I mean, Perty was forced by stupid retcons, bad planning and poor writing.
@lykos2738 nobody is a bigger hypocrite than Morty, Peter Turbo might have dropped the whole "I'll get the job done no questions asked no matter what" and been petulant on occasion but he didn't become everything he claimed to despise.
Mortarion became the very thing he railed against in Nikea, no different from the adopted father he claimed to hate and he did it all to save his own skin.
Perty never really abandoned the Iron Within, Mortarion spit on everything he stood for.
@@Dogue83 I don't know about that. Typhus literally pulled the biggest dick move in The Buried Dagger. Mortarion was looking at an eternity of cancer AIDS.
Considering Peter Turbo hates all basically all of the chaos gods and would shove them all in a machine if he could, I think at this point he’s extremely pissed off at Fulgrim for putting him in the daemon robot suit b/c now the officio assassianorium can’t just walk up and stab him like they did with Conrad
Perty still has to become an adult. His BEST and sanest moment was quitting the Siege of Terra.
He could be relateable if he wasn't an OP demigod commanding huge armies... who still victimises himself and thinks life owes him.
For all his innovations, he embodies stagnancy and rust. And teenagen angst.
Perturabo is a fantastic embodiment of the idea that satisfaction can’t be solely external. He never could find worth in himself, and relied on others to prove to *himself* that he was worth something. Perturabo is someone who *hates himself.* It’s plainly obvious. His behavior maps disturbingly well to Borderline Personality Disorder. A personality shaped by a neglectful childhood. This is why he’s my favorite Primarch. I can relate to the guy. I am that “artist” that was forced into a more pragmatic role. I think a lot of people can relate to looking for validation from *someone, anyone* just to prove to *yourself* deep down that you are wanted, that you deserve better. Best Primarch. He’s so beautifully broken.
So you think BPD comes from neglect? I thought it comes from a turbulent (abuse-love) childhood. So it would be kind of self-replicating. I'm no expert, though.
@@justachannel8600 Not solely, I meant more as it applied to Perty as a character. It has all kinds of causes. I’m not really an expert either.
To be honest you had already covered Perturabo well in your Iron Warriors legion video and figured you'd skip this one because of that. Thank you for taking a deeper dive into this character. God bless.
I think Pertys greatest flaw was his inability to say no and set protect himself. Because he was treated so poorly by his human father and then by the emperor he constantly treads a line between shielding himself off from other so they can't hurt him but desperately yearing for their approval and doing anything to get it. Hence the high attrition rates in his battles. He couldn't say no to the emperor when asked to complete a thankless suicide mission and count say no to Horus when asked to do the same. His final act in the side of Terra, to finally say no to those who abuse and manipulate him, finally protecting his sons as well is his last moment of growth and the completion of his arc. Despite all the flaws in the way he of written, its all around a really solid core that I love.
"Kindness costs you nothing" is a personal motto
A couple years ago I found myself using that phrase regularly. I don't even know where I would have heard it first but it just kind of became something I keep in mind.
For most people sure, but I don't like pretending to care about people. Then people think you're trying to be their friend and I feel even worse when it's like "I was just trying to be nice, I don't like you or even have feelings about you in the slightest, I was just following a blind platitude." I see it happen to me and it irritates me because, if you don't really care, in my eyes, your kindness is performative.
@@alastor8091 that's very disturbing
@@Khashmonet that I hate fake kindness? That I also hate giving people the wrong idea so I also don't give out fake kindness? I'm not saying be mean, but I hate and wish people wouldn't for example, give fake smiles when they aren't happy to see you. I'm 90% sure I have some kind of undiagnosed autism, so I find it really frustrating how I can never tell how people are really feeling in a given moment, so I'd prefer if people were honest in their interactions.
@@alastor8091 That you interpret kindness as fake or malicious.
And then Fulgrim goofed on him pretending to be his friend
I really liked your ladder metaphor, it can apply to a lot of things. Perturabo is a character I can relate to because I feel like I was in that cycle of not knowing how to express what you really needed, leading to a self-fulling prophecy. Seeing the Eye of Terror at a young age must have been a really confusing thing especially for a very logic driven character. Here is this strange thing in your mind's eye, what is it fate calling you? Taunting you? Warning you? You don’t have a clue. Hiding that from his brothers thinking it was some kind of flaw or defect is going to sabotage your relationships as well. My mini Peter Turbo rant is over.
Seconded (thirded? Whatever numbereded) on this already being my favorite series.
On a note, I think a lot of us who have taken up tabletop gaming especially relate to this particular video because the idea of being an outcast is what led us to our respective nerdtastic hobbies. My gateway drug was Magic…but 40k and Battletech got me eventually. My personal perspective is that I had enough people who showed enough kindness to keep me from being apathetic to the world, but my particular brand of ADHD and hyper alertness brought on by spending entirely too much time being shot at really allowed some of my confirmation bias shit to take hold as I continue to be unimpressed with *gestures vaguely at the world*.
And that’s why I found a therapist. Also to be better for my amazing wife (she’s super empathetic and my gloominess brings her down and I don’t want that). Also having a daughter on the way and I will do everything in my power to make sure she doesn’t go to therapy for the same reasons I did.
I always imagine the Iron Warriors exited to see their dad, only for Perturabo to appear and start screaming the LTG speech to conclude and say : "As a matter of fact, get that ass decimated" 😂😂😂
The first "in depth" thing I ever read about ole Peter Turbo was his perspective chapter in The End & The Death part 3, and this take honestly fits perfectly with my read and understanding of the character from it. He clearly knows his own flaws and understands how to take measures to minimize collateral damage because he also knows he can't control it. I personally have the dubious pleasure of a cocktail of ADHD, major depressive disorder, and panic disorder (that I know of. Could well be more) and I was utterly shocked how sympathetic and relateable he was just from that one single chapter.
Perturabo; perpetually perturbed.
They seriously should have sent a servitor to tell Pete about Olympia rebelling. It makes me wonder if they hated that messenger in particular.
An unspiked Angron could've been a solid therapist for all the primarchs i think. Thats assuming he doesnt get overwhelmed by their anguish himself.
Pertuarbo would have stayed loyal if he did the things he was complaining he "couldn't" do.
But imo the most important person to fail him, is himself
"Greed has poisoned men’s souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed. We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in. Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want. Our knowledge has made us cynical. Our cleverness, hard and unkind. We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery we need humanity. More than cleverness we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost…"
Charlie Chaplin - The Great Dictator
I don't think Perturabo would have been well adjusted without heavy, HEAVY effort from a young age - he's got that "Autism - and not just the good kind" baked into the character. And the nature of the Crusade made it impossible for him to focus on anything else - there was no time to let him set up an agrarian world to be as efficient as humanly possible, or to create a perfect Hive city, or the like. Once one Compliance was finished, it was off to the next one, and again, and again.
No, Perturabo could never flourish under the Imperium and Emperor. He was always destined to fall, and be broken by it.
The great dream of my life was to become an artist. My family supported me, but many of my peers had parents that weren't supportive. And let me tell you that truly fucks a person up. The fact that Damokos denigrated Perturabo's amazing works of art, called them his "follies", then demanded that Perturabo love him was a *major* factor in this character. I feel like nobody really noticed how huge that was. It takes someone with personal experience on the matter to point that out. They'll say Perturabo is petulant, that he's a man child, that he's petty. No, no. DAMOKOS was the adult. Forging that relationship was *his* responsibility. He damaged Perturabo's attitude towards his own work and denied him the opportunity to put it to positive use. Then the Emperor continued this practice, whether he knew it or not. He certainly didn't do much, if anything, to mend Perturabo's soul. He put brain-damaged Angron out into the galaxy and he left Perturabo the way he found him. I know time was of the essence in the Great Crusade and all, but I think The Emperor allowed the wound in Perturabo's heart to just fester and fester. He treated his well adjusted Primarchs like sons and he treated the damaged ones like weapons.
I was encouraged to pursue my dream, but I have never truly found a proper place for it in the world. No matter how much I tried, it hasn't gotten the recognition I feel it deserves. And yet, I have seen work that was much less thought-provoking than mine see great success. That has done a huge number on my mental health. But I'm glad I gave it a shot. I cannot imagine what I would be like if my family had sabotaged my art.
I used to empathize with Perturabo a lot more, feeling bitter at the world and alone. But eventually, I realized something: I was choosing to act like this. I was choosing to view the world and act in a way that led me to feeling so awful, instead of doing anything else I was doing exactly what made me miserable.
Perturabo is the exact same. He may have had a hard life and grown up around people who were cold and manipulative, but he choose to continue down the path laid for him. He chose the hardest jobs and delt with them in the most brutal and uncaring way possible and complained that nobody glorified his victories. He acted liked a bitter jerk around everyone and wondered why nobody wanted to hang out with him. He allowed his anger and resentment to control him, and suffered the consequences of his actions.
To quote Calliphone herself *'For a long time, I thought you a fool to follow the Emperor. After all, he is a tyrant like all the rest. Look what he has done to you, I thought. He has brutalised you, and your wars have brutalised your home. But the truth is, brother, I have followed your campaigns carefully, and I noticed a pattern that disturbed and then alarmed me. Always you do things the most difficult way, and in the most painful manner. You cultivate a martyr's complex, lurching from man to man, holding out your bleeding wrists so they might see how you hurt yourself. You brood in the shadows when all you want to do is scream, 'Look at me!' You are too arrogant to win people over through effort. You expect people to notice you there in the half-darkness, and point and shout out, 'There! There is the great Perturabo! See how he labours without complaint!' 'You came to this court as a precocious child. Your abilities were so prodigious that nobody stopped to look at what you were becoming.'*
I’d say that was one of the focus on the morale of kindness in this video, using Perturavo as a case example over exploring his life.
There were many examples of misinformation or under representation of how he fell from who was to what he became in the relationship around him, Not to mention his abilities being able to see terror from planet side having an effect Or having a conversation with one of the Primark and opening up,
I was the first student at my school with a fatal peanut allergy, it made me a target for bullying, it made my parents treat me differently than my siblings, and it made me untouchable by the other students as teachers were trained to be keenly aware of my health. I think it led to a huge number of interactions where I dealt with people who were completely indifferent to me as a person and only focused on my allergy, so I feel you man.
I remember reading that Vulkan crafted a mechanical dog that he gifted to Perty. He still uses it to pass time with joy and once when he was bored just threw it at Angron, making it out of tune mechanically. Remember it drowned him with regret.
It’s really cool to hear a Charlie Chaplin quote in a Warhammer video. And it’s also probably one of the best monologues ever given
Perturabo is the most relatable primarch for me, and thinking about that for too long bothers me. Being raised among people who are universally indifferent to you is a hard thing to get passed, and oddly enough thinking about Perturabo helps keep me from becoming like him.
9:58-9:59 captions on 😂
If only perturabo called communicate better. I do understand him because I was once super awkward as an anime and game loving kid thus I had bad communication skills. Always been angry and dying inside because of these feelings but all I had to do was find someone to talk to and I became a much better person. Super happy and grateful for that person for seeing past my awkwardness and just listened to me
I know it was unintentional but I found how many panning shots starting at perty's balls going up you did very funny
Pertarabo was on constrained by his own love of being a victim.
He was a god damn Primarch. He was told by his adoptive father that he could have made things that were not for war if he wanted to. His own adoptive brother was allowed to be an artist. Only Pertarabo claimed he had to be a weapon or a general, or that his father forced that on him (as if a mere mortal could force a Primarch to do ANYTHING if he didn’t want to).
Same with his decisions to take all the worst assignments and to never improve the lives of the people on the planets he conquered.
Every other legion and Primarch chose their battles, turned things down and went about their business as they chose. The IF’s didn’t just conquer and move on, they fortified and made great, beautiful restorations and new public works before leaving entirely. Magnus, Vulkan, Fulgrim and Guilliman all made sure they left a world better than they found it.
Pertarabo was just naturally an arsehole. If you swapped Angron and Pertarabo, Angron would have been a Thesius like mythical hero, uniting the people of Olympia and elevating them to be more than they had been previously, while Pertarabo would not have been given the nails, because he never would have refused to kill his mentor/father figure. And then he’d be bitter about how much better Angron had it because he landed on a paradise world like Olympia.
I relate to Peter Turbo in the sense everyone around him failed him
That picture of Perturabo looks kinda of like my Dad would look when he had thought of an especially naughty joke.
Nah man, Perty has a victim complex, which his sister rightly called out before he crushed her wind pipe , his dad on Olympia tried to get him to chill on war and build all his wonders and he responded with snide comments and derision, He blamed everyone except himself for everything
I like these character analysis videos, UA-cam is already saturated with wiki reading frauds and slop merchants.
An actual deeper perspective on 40k is a breath of fresh air.
Perturabo's path reminds me a lot of Vader's: the Tragic villain. Probably why I relate so well to both of them.
Lets be honest, if treated kindly, purty and angron might have been the kindest, helpful, empathetic and noble of all the primarcs. Instead we got petulance and damaged goods.
Perturabo killed a tenth of his child and get considered cruel, the Emperor did the same and no one said anything.
Couse everyone who would say it would be put by the Emperor on the chopping block, Petter Turbo wasn't on that level.
@@Ballagorn_Ironblood I think they meant "players" but they can correct me.
@@Rage_Templar yah, but in the lore Goaturabo don't have good rep also
Holy crap.
I feel called out by the end of this.
I didn't know i had so much in common with Pertorabo.
Dornian heresy Peter is neat, because he just has the philosophy I never want my children to feel the way I do. So he made sure they didn't feel used after he hit rock bottom from killing his sister
A troubled artist forced to be a death machine.
You gotta wonder how some of these characters who seem to be permanently built into their armor ever manage to take a shower, if they shower at all.
I think he just needs a hug from the lovable green giant
1:46 In fairness he didn't shoot the messenger; he crushed him :P
We have until he gets to angry Ron to convince him not to go with better help.
7:29 Perturabo would kill you immediately for your apology.
I think Perturabo did this to himself partialy. The reason why he acted like that is raesonable but he had a way forward that was better laid before him by he's sister who was kind despite how he acted. All he needed to do is step on it or admit he's tired and hurt. But he didn't he was too afraid and too spiteful so he reached the point of no return and never looked back blaming all he's suffering on other which tbh was partialy true.
Actually re read the hammer of olympiad, pert and adopted dad was sure using him however he was adored by him too, so was he by his Foster sister, he rejected his adopted father countless times because he deemed than as being lesser or not seeing his true worth/genius (especially when he had his temper tantrum in his invention room) he only wanted the emperor because he knew since the beginning he was a primarch.. the touching part of it is that he was building new type of where filtration, theaters, collossums in his free time and was irritated that the olympians cared of his genius only for their petty power gains ... - a fan of perturabo, the one who was craving so much for attention amd outperformed everything amd everyone (I mean... he single handedly managed the siege of terra tbh) the saddest part of it all is what his adopted sister told him before she met her demise, made him cry amd for a glimpse of time realised how petulant and irresponsibly harsh he was. Then believed the emperor would never forgive him and thought joining horus was the last resort option... which is quite retarded given the fact they were created to coerce or genocide the galaxy ^^
Yeah you forgot about the black smith that took him in him after he came down from the mountain. He fed him. Gave him a roof over his head. Let him use his forge to hone his already genetic memory gifts. His sister must have been another retcon. I don't remember her being that kind.
Excellent Charlie Chaplin quote from one of the best films of all time about political satire.
I like Perturabo because he's relatable not because he's funny
My personal belief about whenever we blame nurture vs nature or produce excuses for actions beyond our control is that, taking into account one's upbringing and/or circumstances, WHICH IS a driving argument I do not disregard, it is their conscienceous decision and no one else's. That at the end of the day, anyone with a functional enough brain has the critical thinking ability to discern right from wrong, righteousness from evil, and positivity from negativity. That they knew better yet chose not to follow that path.
We are of course imperfect, and our upbringing, no matter how great, is also imperfect. A childhood of struggling may turn a man bitter, or in turn make him resilient and resourceful. A childhood of no struggling may make a woman entitled and apathetic to the struggles of others, or push her to reflect that environment she thrived in unto others.
In relevance to this video, I think it was Perturabo's nature of apathy, and delusions of martyrdom that drove him down his path. It was his own adopted-sister who admonished Perturabo. She saw through his facade of self-martyrdom and called him out for it. Perturabo is a sad case for what could have been and now we see what he has become. I hope others reading this will understand the importance of responsibility and choice over the irresponsibility and cowardice of seeking pity in excuses.
So you'd say...his..STEP sister showed him love? Step bro step bro where art thou?
I've been an warhammer 40k fan for roughly 2/3 years, i'v watched plenty of videos, looked at a lot of wikis, read a bunch of lore (both canon, homebrew and fan-made lore such as dornian heresy) and i never seen someone analyze primarchs as humans, as real people, only analyzing them by the mistakes they made, their flanderization. Loved your fulgrim video, and i loved this one even more.
Greek guy here to let you know that Calliope and Calliphony are basically the same! The Calli part comes from the word "kallos" (κάλλος) which means beauty. The "Ope" part in Calliope is from the ancient greek word "ops" (όψ) which means voice. "Phony" in Calliphony takes the modern version of the same word "phoni" (φωνή) so both names mean the one with the beautiful voice! Really good video as always Arthur!!
I think that fits him right. Though, I think some of his weird mix of stoicism and petulance was his own nature, at least partially. And that's the thing that made him reject offers for help, let alone ask himself.
The Traitor Primarch who would have been the easiest to keep loyal, or to reconcile.
Peter Turbo is one of the biggest victims of inconsistent character writing in 30k. Especially under John French.
Please never stop using his face. It's funny and I always expect you to use it for intros
Yup, I couldn't have put it better myself
"...and thus he keeps treating people like garbage himself."
Garbage within, garbage without.
My favorite characterization of Perturabo is the story Rust on the Vox in the Void channel.
THE IRON MAN
Bro, I’m so excited for when you get to Angron. I deeply connect with the world eaters and think people don’t give them enough credit and how the butcher’s nails are such an amazing representation of self destructive impulses such as in my case when I was a new husband/father trying to support us as a single income home, and I kept leaning on smoking as supposed vent of stress relief even though all it did was exacerbate all of our problems money wasted, worsened health, and overall put me more on edge every moment I wasn’t out on that deck with a cigarette. I can proudly say I’ve now been smoke free for almost a year and a half and now have a second little one.
Arthur, great upload! Whatever the frack you call these things.. I really liked you're honesty towards the end, the human element trying to explain the human element within a superhuman fictional character
I disagree with one point. Perty did get proven wrong. His sister gave him the chance for redemption and he fumbled it.
Me who knows the absolutely smallest amount of stuff about 40k
"Ah yes....I understand entirely."
Iron Within, Iron Without 😢
My ADHD hits so hard, you could have switched back and forth tactfully between both names and I've could have been sold on the idea it was my fault for hearing things. Lol
I feel you on the constant moving...military family and I think it gave me a very deep loneliness that makes it incredibly hard to be alone for very long and hard to let go of people even if they were toxic or manipulative. It feels comforting and sad to see others that understand
All he really needed was a hug and to be thanked for doing jobs no one wanted to do.🐱
Never has it felt better to have a primarch with a low number as a favorite (for the Khan!), my heart goes out to salamander, raven guard and alpha legion fans
Outro disclaimer aside, and in honor of that one legend in the comments.... WHEN ANGRON!!
I'll fear him as soon as he can complete a campaign without murdering one of his own subordinates in a fit of pique. And the tantrum he threw after Horus rightly relieved him of command of the Siege of Terra after the Saturnine debacle? Just embarrassing. His failings as a man, not a general, are why he'll never come close to equaling Dorn.
I too relate to ole perty in a lot of ways
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I think in reality, The Emperor saw Perturabo as vital, I think perhaps even more vital than some of the favourites like Guilliman or Sanguinius. After all, he gets the second most wargear out of any Primarch, the second largest Gloriana class ship, making it the third-largest ship in the Imperial navy, and those that tried to question his methods were censored personally by The Emperor himself.
I think AE still is the most important character study of the guy, since it's there we learn that Perturabo sees his treachery as his punishment for Olympia. I think on account of his perfectionism, Perturabo just cannot see how an imperium with him in it can live up to his own exacting standards, so he excises himself from it, and because The Emperor fails to excise him at all, directly or indirectly, he feels that the imperium cannot work with The Emperor either. That's why at the end of the book, he essentially thinks that Horus is the only honourable person left, and that's why he follows him. Perturabo's opinion seems to shift over the course of the heresy from thereon, but I think this is an oft overlooked part of his character as well.
The great dictators speech is a must listen too
I like Perturabo because he saw the Emperor for exactly what he was. Not the most... evil and abusive person, but someone who only saw his 'children' as actual tools. As the Emperor himself told Roboute Guilliman when the latter returned. When Guilliman eventually meets with Perturabo again, I hope he actually says "You were right, in this instance." That might actually move the needle in getting Perturabo to actually chill and back off- even if I never see a world where he becomes a 'Loyalist.'
The announcement he became a Daemon Prince is bull crud though. Does that require pledging your soul to Chaos, the thing the Iron Warriors swear never to do?
A similar case can be made for each of the chaos primarchs to one degree or the other. A personal favorite of mine is Lorgar who I feel is really misunderstood by the community. Before his fall to chaos, he is genuinely seen to show the most compassion for the people and his brothers.
I grew up in a religious home where the faith was used more like a weapon than a means to unify. I grew up hating the whole religion as a child and into my teen years. Then I actually read the texts for myself and realized how badly it was misrepresented in my early life.
Lorgar had one of the worst childhoods, being beaten, abused and mistreated by his foster father. Yet, we see Lorgar grow to be kind and compassionate, even going as far as forgiving his abuser and rescuing him from the mob.
He then transforms the word bearers, a legion the emperor in all his wisdom intended to be used for the fervent genocide of all theists in the galaxy, into devoted servants of the people, helping them adapt to the teachings of the emperor.
We have his compassion for his brothers with how he desperately dug Angron out of a rubble in the middle of a war with no regard for his own safety, nearly dying in the process but was saved by Angron. Later he even resurrects Angron as a demon prince in a misplaced way of showing his love for him and not wanting to see Angron die.
He is one of if not the only to have some solid character development as he eventually learns to be independent and not seek validation from others all the time, but this key moment is overshadowed with how badly he got bodied a second time by Corax.
His planet Monarchia was filled with people genuinely devoted to the emperor. They not just some people beaten into submission by a stronger army, but the emperor comes around, throws a hissy fit that it isn't what he wanted and humiliated the entire legion, before genociding the entire planet filled with complacent, innocent, and devoted citizens. All in front of Lorgar. Lorgar had to watch all those people he preached to about the emperor, get completely destroyed by their "savior".
In the end, Lorgar was right about one thing. The people need some sort of belief system, whether it be the greater good, Imperial cult, or the chaos gods. In a universe with sadistic elves, eldritch nightmares, ancient killer robots, and demons, even a atheist with pray for protection.
It's like he was meant to be good..he wanted to be good.
But everyone around him was to stupid
I think it is time for 40k to have something like fantasies endtimes. BUT:
Instead of just burning it all to the ground and starting from the beginning, it should be the redemption of the fallen primarcks and have the emperor return to the setting.
So, basucally, warhammer 50k (and yes, i know we are currently in m42, but still).
You can still have all the stuff going on in the background that people love, AND have an emperor having to deal with an imperium he never wanted in a world he tried to prevent without the help of the few friends he ever had, while having to deal with his loyal sons and the redeemed fallen, and the animosity, hate and blame between them all. Maybe even throw clonegrim in there while the snake is still in the warp, trying to entice him. Have the last surviving loyalists come out of hiding or embrace their true self (like members of the gray knights, etc). So you still have the grimdark shithole of an empire as the emperor and primarcks have to face the rest of the galaxy and the gods angry for losing their toys.
Maybe even have angron stay with chaos as khorn has given him more than the emperor ever could.
Leave horus, ferrus and sanguinius dead, and have morty be an asshole as the only reason he let homself be redeemed was to get out of the grasp of nurgle.
Just a hope i have. Who knows.
Anoyone whose got this far, thanks for reading my ted talk, and please, like and comment down below how you of like my idea. And i'll se you all under the next video.
Bye.
Before the horus heresy novels retconned (and im my opinion ruined a lot of things about the story of the heresy) Perturabo and the iron warriors were one of my favourite parts of the story. I don't like how they turned Perturabo into a cruel jerk who abused his legion and killed people just because they gave him bad news. And i still prefer the original story behjnd the legions downfall to chaos. But I'm glad that they did seem to keep the whole, "he gave everything and got almost nothing back"
I have mixed feelings about them tweaking the story, but appreciate how Perty is a good example of the value of kindness
Loyal fulgrim got shit done. Chaos fulgrim is retired.
I mean it doesn't help that the Emperor designed the Primarchs to be his literal galaxy conquering generals.
And the Emperor has been alive for tens of thousands of years, he should know how to read his kids and parent them better by know you would hope. XD
Can a do another night lords video detailing the rise of Decimus
From what ever lore exists he in anyway aware of the duel legacy he must live up to (talos and the night haunter)
Interesting how the characters of Decimus and talos are intrinsically linked despite neither of them knowing about the other
6:09 so peturabo is basically forge from the x men but irredeemable and has a war machine style hulk buster armor.
We can pin point with 100% accuracy what made Peturabo so nasty coocoo head, as when he was climbing on a clif during rein storm he expirience something we can call "storm of knowlage" clearing his memmories to that poin clean (something like 5 to 6 years of life) and made Parturabo to see constantly the Eye of Terror, constanly judging and mocking him for every decition. As before that he was completly different person
The tank that wished to be a tractor.
I also think the pert face is funny and you should spam it more. Making people cringe from seeing the face is funnier is than the face itself
Why blud be smilin' like that tho?