I really like how they made it easy to tell these cassettes apart by counting the black cogs. 3 black cogs - XTR 2 black ones - XT 1 black cog - SLX no black cogs - Deore Very nice when looking for new bikes and spotting where the manufacturers chose cheaper components
As a heavier rider (225lb) I like all steel in my drivetrain. I purposely bought the cheapo steel SRAM X Sync 2 30T chainring mounted to my carbon Stylo cranks. If I were a Shimano drivetrain guy, I'd be all over this Deore cassette.
I bought the slx cassette for my e-bike with XT derailleur and shifter. Upgraded from my 11speed XT. Definitely shifts better under load, that 51t is great for hill grinds in Eco mode and way better ratio than SRAM.
As someone who is very hard on drivetrains 10 speed is still the best value for me. Saint shifter, M5120 derailleur and 11-46 M4100 cassette. Can't go wrong!
My last 4000 km I use SRAM NX 12 speed it was super. Now I buy Shimano Deore 6100 12speed. After 200km look ok and a feeling that is more precise and smoothly. Ok I understand that it is new but... I'll see
Yes, it is really good actually, made me jump from my 11-46 sunrace as soon as I saw the price, the super long derailleur cage might make me reconsider though... Will see if it lasts a season.
Almost every ride I climb trails that are very narrow with more big rocks than dirt. I'm always worried about my derailleur, but it's usually tucked up into the larger cogs. Ive only smacked it a few times over decades. But my pedals will hit rocks numerous times on any one single ride.
@@rollinrat4850 I haven't hit rocks yet but scraped the bottom of the cage several times, I'm worried the longer cage won't survive as it stich much lower (talking about slow technical sections of course, ratcheting so not scraping pedals)
@@piciu256 Eventually you'll probably damage a derailleur. Once you start getting rough and rowdy you'll probably wreck one, probably more. Its inevitable. Ive torn off and banged up many from crashes or sticks getting into them. I just haven't wrecked many riding through rocks because I'm moving pretty slow. But That's why I don't use a top end unit. They are vulnerable. I just use the best shifters I can afford. On my bike packing bike I use friction shifters so the derailleur will always work short of being torn off the frame. Reliabily is king when I'm far from civilization and my life depends on my bike to make it home. My local trails are some of the roughest I encounter besides the trails up in the Sierras. This is why I usually choose one of my singlespeeds almost every day. That and it's a wicked workout. They never break and I spend little time maintaining them. I realized a long time ago it's the Rider, not the bike that's usually the issue. All I really 'need' is one gear to push, sort of round wheels, pedals and h'bars to hang on to. If my body (or my bike) fails, I'm reduced to walking. It's not a big deal until I'm way out in the woods. I used to be an mtb guide and often carried a spare derailleur just because I'd rather see my clients ride than walk. I'd even give them my bike to finish the ride! --IT HAPPENS!
@@LoveMTB yeah absolutely. For embt you probably don't need over 42t (or at least I never thought I needed more when I had an ebike, no matter how steep it got), i just mentioned it because shimano say themselves it's really good with emtb because of the hg+ shifting is so great under load. So they really ought to make a 45t steel deore option available, for the eebs, although personally I'd rather go 9 or 10 sp on eebs because of chain endurance.
I use steel for my chainrings and my cogs on all my singlespeeds and my fixed gear 'cross bike. Steel lasts longer. Believe me. Its a harder material. All you REALLY 'need' is two steel gears to make that bike move. Believe that.... or not! 🫁🦵💪🧠 these things help too!
Great video thanks, currently riding with SRAM SX cassette and NX chain but Deore derailleur which works fine. The bike came with an SX derailleur but shifting wasn't great until I upgraded to Deore.
Superbe vidéo . Je roule avec ces cassettes sur mes deux vttae et je n’ai jamais eu le moindre problème. Quand au poids , sur un vttae cela ne se ressent pas . Très bonne cassette d’entrée de gamme de chez Shimano . Je la recommande vivement. 👍😉
Great video and thank you so much for sharing, very well executed as always. I have been watching a lot of your videos and have learned so much. I am tempted to replace my Sunrace 11-51T on my Kona with the Deore 10-51T, only because the shifting is not the best compared to shimano. The bike has the Deore RD-M6100-SGS but the sunrace is not perfect and I did watch your video on the Sunrace but unfortunately I cannot get the shifting to be perfect. The only issue with the shimano cassette is the bigger ratio spacing between cogs (gear steps) compared to the sunrace which I find great for commuting. Cheers
From my experience riding in an area with long, steep climbs, the shimano alloy cogs do not last very long at all. After the first chain, the shifting deteriorates to a similar level as other drivetrains. Part way through the second chain, the alloy cogs will start missing shifts and jam. You'll only be able to get a third chain life out of it is you are very fastidious with keeping your drivetrain clean and check your chain often. this comes from killing two XT cassettes in an 8 month period. I complained about this directly to shimano, they recommended running a smaller chainring to stay off the alloy cogs. Essentially their design philosophy is that you're not supposed to use the entire cassette. For me, that would equate to running a 28t chainring(28x39 roughly equates to my usual 34x45 gear for steady long climbs). Not going to happen! the whole point of running 12spd for me is to get a larger gear for xc racing(34t-36t chainrings). I've gone back to 11spd with with zero issues.
Garbaruk offers a MicroSpline 10-52T cassette at only 335 g using 11 steel + 1 aluminium ring. I have not tried it yet myself but I guess that it will be my choice for my latest 29er carbon wheelset built on a XTR hub w. MicroSpine. www.garbaruk.com/12-speed-shimano-micro-spline.html Garbaruk also offer xD cassettes in 10-48T, 10-50T and 10-52T. I guess I will replace one of my XG-1275 10-50T cassettes with Garbaruk 10-50T next time. To save some weight. r2-bike.com/GARBARUK-Cassette-12-speed-10-50-Teeth-for-SRAM-XD
@@TheNickbb10 Shimano does want the riders to use all the gears but most riders use the more extreme gears a lot less, so it's usually fine if they wear a bit slower. But of course everyone rides a bit differently. If you want to race XC and ride lots of long, steep climbs on the same drivetrain, that may just not be the best drivetrain for you. But it does work great for many other riders and for those more steel cogs would be unnecessary. Luckily there are other options, as mentioned here and on this channel we learned that Shimano and SRAM 12s components are pretty much completely compatible with each other to give you even more options.
@@LoveMTB Yes, i may swap out the crank to SLX for whatever reason Giant put on Praxis cranks they must have ran out of Shimano parts, not sure about Praxis.
I have this. Works fine. Also have Sram GX which clearly feels nice over all. I now have Shimano brakes on all bikes. I don't like that the first 15 mm or so does nothing. If you bleed Sram brakes correctly and adjust them you can remove all unwanted "free stroke". I don't think that is possible with Shimano?
The slx m7100 chain doesn't seat firmly around the 12-speed cassette. There is very very little room for adjustment and everything must be perfectly set for this shimano to work w/o noise and/or chain skip. The 11-speed deore's chain sits much more firm onto a deore 11-speed cassette and is more stable and seemingly better quality, just in my experience.
Have you checked my 12s installation video? Is your derailleur hanger straight? Shimano 12s works just fine without a lot of fiddling. Yes it’s a bit more pretentious than the old SRaM Eagle 12s…
@@LoveMTB Old Sram? know nothin of that kind. Oh my hanger is doing okay, as i just had it checked. I'm going to make a checker though for next time i want it checked. There's a vid on youtube on how to make one.
I built a 11 speed 11 50 setup recently. Sold it. Buyer removed the cassette and mech and went with a 11 speed 11 42 due to weight. He went with a sram xdome cassette and medium cage. He said bike is better to ride and rear suspension feels better and mech isnt hitting stuff anymore. Bike is 27.5.
Have you had any instances with the Shimano cassette lockring stripping threads? When I removed mine, the threads basically snapped right off. It is really hard to find replacements
8 or 10 tooth jump (42 to 50 or 52) no thanks. Switched to Shimano and have never looked back. I wish SRAM would make a new cassette with less of a tooth jump at the top. great video
@@LoveMTB Interesting indeed. What would your recommendation be for the best of both worlds? I ride on roads and usually use what's coming with the groupset I have (105 here).
I think it's great that deore comes with microspline hubs as it makes it much easier and cheaper to upgrade a new bike that came with this deore drivetrain. When looking for new bikes and they come with an NX drivetrain it's just so much more expensive to get a 10T cog in the rear as you have to upgrade the cassette and the freehub
@@LoveMTB I have Cube Attention SL's with the M6100 12 speed Deore set. retail price is €899,- with a Rockshox Judy air fork. If you can find one in stock for MSRP. Which is very rare with current covid cyclers and everyone jumping on the stock. Honestly it's a lot of bike to start with for the price. Problem is only the M6100 12 speed is microspline. The cheaper Deore 10 or 11 speed still use the traditional freehub ofcourse as you know. But that does make it confusing for potential buyers. As Manufacturers will use cheapskate garbage freehubs on the entry M4xxx deore stuff. But consumers see shimano Deore and think they got a bargain compared to an M6100 bike. While in the end they shot themselves in the foot. Example the Attention is €799,- with 2x10 with tourney freehub at the rear. The Attention SL has a Deore Freehub because tourney is incompatible with the 10-51 casette.
I think Sram has huge disadvantage of cassettes being a one piece. Yet at the same time having zero biting-in issue is nice too. I recently folded a tooth on 13t cog on a Sunrace cassette and replaced it no problem with shimano cog. No one want's a small cog like that, to be missing a tooth. With Sram it'd be either stuck with the problem or waste a cassette. Also nice to see Deore cassette being under 600g, but still it's a porky one.
Sunrace CSMZ903 is 12s cassette 11-51 is better option than cheeper sram NX and SX cassettes because of the gear range. Sram has big gap from 42-50T/52T and because of that it is very hard to do longer climbs on 42T but too easy on 50T/52T. Sunrace has same gear range and uses standard shimano freehub body for 10 and 11s as shimano cassette and it has 46T which is perfect balance for long climbs, not too hard and not too easy.
Do you have any experience with the Garbaruk 10-52 cassette? It's lighter and cheaper than the XTR cassette, plus it only has one aluminum gear so it should be more durable as well. I'm worried about the shift quality though.
Great comparison - my Ripmo AF came with the Deore and I had been wondering if the cassette was something to consider for future upgrade, but if weight is the only difference then I'll spend the money elsewhere
Theres more than this difference for sure. The shifting in thw XT cassette is much much smoother than the SLX cassette. Every bike Ive tried swapping the cassette too, no matter the shifter or derailed, has a noticeably better shift with the XT cassete. We’ve now tried 3 different XT cassete bikes and have narrowed it down to the actual XT cassete being the difference in the feel. Derailers ahifter or chains did t make a difference when swapping them around. That said, SRAM 12 spee GX and SX is not in the same ballpark when it comes to being smooth.
@@LORENZindustries With respect, the only difference between 12 speed XT and SLX is the alloy 11th cog. every single other part of the cassette is completely identical. If you are getting better shifting that's great but it's not really the cassette making the difference
Chains get regularly abused, ignored, mis-shifted, submerged in water, mud, sand and on and on. Keep your ears open to hear those ANGRY MICE!! I'm a professional shop mechanic. Ive ridden hard and raced for 50 years. Ive seen it all and wasted money on all that pro kit. Chains are expendable. Use what you can actually afford, but always keep it clean and oil it regularly. Learn to measure chain wear. Learn to shift so it hardly makes any noise. Learn to pedal correctly. These are things you can do to make chains last longer without spending more money. Bring an eye drops bottle with chain oil, a rag and a pair of latex gloves on long rides. When the chain starts to sound like ANGRY MICE, its pleading for lube!! I get 4-5 chains worth of use out of one set of chainrings and cassette. But Much less on singlespeeds. Singlespeed drivetrains are relatively cheaper!! Chains are relatively cheap, the rest is not! I'm pretty serious about maintenance but I rarely use the most expensive chains and I get stuff at near cost. Another good tip is not to use the 'latest and greatest'. It's never cheap. Older stuff is almost always cheaper. Its THE RIDER, not the bike! You simply don't 'need' 12 gears! Soon it will be 13! Ive ridden since it was 5! We pedaled road bikes and singlespeeds on trail before MTBs ever existed! The most gears I have now is 10 and I'm almost 60! The bikes I ride most are all singlespeed or fixed gear. I often ride these in mountains near my house. One gear is all you really 'need' besides 🦵🫁🫀🧠💪!
Im using an old 11-46 10 speed shimano. Still love it, and have been looking at 12 speed for the futute. My SunRingle wheel already has a XD freehub ready to install, I dont think micro spline is available. I recently installed shimano slx 12 speed on a friends bike. I am not a fan of all the loose cogs. We ride dry desert trails and feel it is more possible over time that the wear will be more on loose cogged micro spline over one piece Sram.
@@LoveMTB a bit off topic but are the seals on the XT 12 speed RDs any good? Just checked mine today and saw water and a bit of dirt inside the clutch mechanism. Thankfully one of your videos had a guide on how to clean the clutch assembly.
I've already watched this video around 5 times out of my excitement to receive this cassette. In our country, there was a promo which included the m6100 cassette and chain for just 110 dollars. I'm excited to experience the hyperglide+ shifting since I am currently using a SRAM NX Eagle cassette which I feel doesn't shift as good as the Shimano cassette does. BTW, should I apply a liberal amount of grease on the freehub during installation? I've read articles concerning creaking on the freehub.
@@LoveMTB I bought the AbsoluteBlack Oval Chainring made for Hyperglide+ chains! If it's okay to ask, what kind of grease should I put on the microspline freehub? Should I use regular grease instead of the DT grease on the bearing seal covers?
@@LoveMTB Cool. Thanks. Not sure what an S bike is though? I've ordered the SLX 10-45 cassette and have the medium cage XT 11 speed derailleur already. I should know soon, how well they work with an XT 12 speed shifter and if the super quick shifting of HG+ is maintained using the 11 speed derailleur.
i have sun race casette on my orbea mountain bike. i don't like it and now i'm in dilema. Should I buy 6100, 7100 or something else from shimano. my components are slx m7100
The fact that Shimano uses replaceable small cogs, makes them the best by a mile. I mean it's not even close. You cannot wear out bigger cogs enough to cause shifting problems, basically ever, it's always the small cogs.
Have fun! I went from a pretty cheap 3x9 to 1x12 GX Eagle and never missed the extra gears. As long as there is a 10T cog, 12 speed is great. Otherwise I'd be missing the faster gears.
@@sebastianjost that's the reason for me pretty much. I want to run 30t front and have 10t rear. I'm even thinking about e'therteen cassette as they run on sram hub and 9t cog
Thanks for the video. I'm planning to use an NX cassette with XT shifter and rear derailleur, SLX M7120 or XT crankset on my Trek Marlin 7 HG Freehub. I've already upgraded to 4 piston SLX brakeset. Do you know how the shifting would be? And any chain you'd recommend?
5:04 ''that a new freehub body that may or may not be available for your wheelset'' : Can someone tell me if the microspline freehubbody can screw on a hub that accepts the ''old'' hyperglide freehub body ??? Thks
@@LoveMTB according to shimano: "HYPERGLIDE+ helps riders seamlessly maneuver rough trails by reducing pedaling shock and cutting shifting times by a 1/3" that means you can shift upward or downward almost without stopping power transfer to the pedals:bike.shimano.com/content/dam/productsite/shimano/img/tech-description/hyperglide/hg-plus_en.png
@@LoveMTB I didn't say that this making a big difference, but its there... and honestly i don't shift under load very often ( because of muscle memory) but you absolutely can if you want and its very smoother than the HG... but in comparison to Eagle cassettes beside the huge jump in the sram's lowest gear, shifting performance is close
@@LoveMTB The CS-M5100 may have a working Hyperglide+ from what it looks like on the pictures. I guess it was cheaper for shimano to use the same sprockets.
what would you recommend in terms of durability? I snapped a tooth in the aluminium sprocket in the SLX today, 5 months old so pretty disappointing, and wondering if I should go for the Deore? it cost the same as SLX, otherwise go for the XT for a little extra money, but worried the aluminium sprockets would be as weak as the SLX one I have, thanks!
@@LoveMTB yeah I figured that. I wasn't sure if the XT were made with higher quality aluminium? but if they are the same as SLX I might as well go for the Deore, since I don't mind the extra weight. You mentioned that the Deore has a cheaper looking finish, any idea if they are different than the others?
@@LoveMTB Yeah fair point! i know what you mean and I'm always careful when shifting under load, but when happened I was already in the 12th gear, so not sure if the chain snapped first causing the tooth to break or the other way around. I think I will ride with this cassette until I can get a hold of an XT. thanks for your input, your videos are super helpful!
@@LoveMTB you said it looks different, but i think you dont know what it is right? In tearms of wear, its hard to tell because steel wears slow anyways. i have the deore, the xt and xtr cassette, and i did not notice the difference.
@Maciej Jan Długosz i wonder why this is written nowhere. sram does advertise this, shimano does not. so i will test the micro hardness of xtr and deore cassettes one day.
Hi friend, I followed your recommendation to use a 11-42 11 speed cassette. What derailleur should I use for the changes to be done correctly? Deore M5100 SGS or M5120 SGS? It is a question that I have, thank you
@@LoveMTB I understand that the M5100 is for maximum 51 teeth, there will be no problem if I use it with an 11 speed cassette (11-42). By the way, which chain is better Shimano or KMC?
@@LoveMTB Yes, I understand that, I just want to know if there is no problem if I use it with a cassette of maximum 42 teeth. Taking into account that one has 13 pulleys and another 14. And sorry for the inconvenience.
THX, going to stay with 11speed for now. i use a older GX non eagle cassette & i think it S U C K S ! Should have just stuck with the XT i had cause i heard it would have worked with my sram GX grip shift.
There's a lot of lightweight 11 speed cassettes out there now. Even Chinese cassettes in 11-50t are coming in under ~375g. Then there's Garbaruk coming in under 300g for their 11-50t
Even more than that, the Deore 12 speed and deore 11 speed share the same 8 largest cassette cog parts. The only difference is the spider (to fit a HG freehub) and the 3 smallest 11 speed cogs instead of 4 smallest 12 speed
I wonder if I should get 11 speed Deore cassette or 12 Speed, I would need microspline if I go for 12 speed. I already have a Garbaruk 11speed 11-50T on order. how was your experience with Microspline freehub? the Deore 11 speed is the only shimano wide range cassette i stock in Norway. and only 6 Deore Rd in stock. so I think I will get it before it's gone. I want to build a bike nr 2, so won't hurt to get a RD now any way.
@@LoveMTB not sure what you mean. I know there is 11 and 12 speed version. But not sure if that's what you mean. But it's the 12 speed m6100 I am considering, I've been told it should work well with 11-51t 11 speed Cs.
@@LoveMTB OK, I've not seen m5100 in stock in Norway. So only have on roption of rd right now due to shortage, unless going for xtr that seems like wasted money. 😁
@@LoveMTB I currently have HG spline on hope pro 4 converted to boost. Have you. Has wear on splines decreased with Microspline? What about bearings and load is the load spread enough, or do Microspline compromise the hub reliability? I've seen one with crushed bearings it was a shimano hub.
@@LoveMTB Wait, there is SLX? I thought only XT and XTR had 10-45... this is great, it feels like Christmas! No, I don't use the easiest gear that much (46/34 oval, at the moment), but I do use the second one quite a bit, so I want it in steel. SLX is perfect for me and I'll be able to use my 11spd GS derailleur, which is way shorter than that 12spd monstrosity.
Hi Love MTB.I have a Cannondale Trail 6 29 2019 and i'm ready to upgrade.My rear hub is HG drive 141qr and i want to move to 1x12 .What would your recomamdation ? Pls include all( hub,bb,crank,shifter). Thank you.
Funny situation on my end: my new bike comes with the Deore 12s but I want to get the Microshift Advent X 10s groupset but that means getting a standard HG driver body.
I have the SLX Cassette. I'm on my 3rd chain. The stock one only lasted about 475 miles and the KMC x chain lasted over 600 mi. It also ran much smoother than the stock shimano start to finish. Fluke? (All of this running on a Trek Rail 7, and I am a mechanic so I check my chain wear often with Park CC-2 Tool). Thx for the informative videos. You do a good job.
@@LoveMTB I think it felt better cause the cassette had worn in some. Maybe at that point the HG+ matters less. The stock chain was Shimano SLX. As far as CC-2 being accurate it totally depends on the user. When used side by side the CC-2 and any of the others it always shows the chain worn out first. We tested this every time a diff model comes out over the years for our own knowledge and for selling to customers. We want to find a worn chain before it wears cassette too much.
hey i love you channel! Can you review the polish cassettes from #garbaruk? HG 12-Speed and Mircospline 12-Speed run with Deore/SLX/XT/XTR derailleurs?
I just had bad experience with Garbaruk. Ordered in Aug 2021 Garbaruk 10-52 Microspline 12 speed cassette. Has been waiting till October because they have 2 months delays. Few days ago received cassette and installed instead of stock Deore 10-51 and could not tune shifting for a several hours. Even my mechanic couldn't tune good shifting on Garbaruk cassette. We tested on new chains, chain length was according to Shimano manuals. On Deore\XT shifting is great, but on Garbaruk it didn't work. I wrote to Garbaruk support and they answered like "I’m terribly sorry to hear that, Unfortunately, we just realized that we manufactured a short batch faulty Micro Spline cassettes. We fixed the issue and will send you a new one." Ha-ha, no thanks, I don't want to continue this tune quest with new cassette, asked to refund and returned faulty cassette back. I'd better order XT 10-51, of course it's a bit heavier than 335g but it works smooth and clear as it should!
MTB/gravel peeps, can someone explain why you guys need such a large cassette? I'm a roadie using a 11-32 cassette with a 50-34 chainring and climb like a 40 degree hill for about 200 meters without a problem. I can't even imagine using the 51T ring.
I read the specs of m6100 and it says that the maximum smallest cogs should be 10t but what if i use a cassette that is 9t. the series of teeth of the ZRace cassete is 9-11-13-15-18-21-24-28-32-38-42-50t.
Please give me your opinion . I have derailleurs XTR RD-M9000 GS 11 speed and so far I used CS-M 8000 11-46 T cassette. What do you think if the DEORE CS-M 5100 11 speed 11-51T cassette will work with my derailleurs. Thank you for the good information All the best in the New Year 2021!
@@LoveMTB Thanks, but my questions is about 11 speed cassette not 12 sp. DEORE CS-M 5100 is 11 sp. What do you think about this combinations? All the best !
why the most expensive chain? Wouldn't it be a better approach to drop the cheapest Deore chain on it and change it more often to keep the teeth not worn?
Actually, I tried the less expensive chain with the new 12s. Only the 9100 worked properly. It was quiet and amazingly quick between shifts. Don't skimp!
@@LoveMTB It's only my opinion, but after testing various chains including KMC and Shimano, only the 9100 worked properly. The others were fine, but why settle for "fine" when you can have great.
@@marekvanatka2426 Actually, I have tried the 12 speed chains on 11 and 10 speed drivetrains. They work exceptionally well. I'm running a 12s chain on a 9 speed shimano drivetrain. Wonderful. Also, I have found that the SRAM chains, don't work as well as the Shimano chains, on the Shimano cassettes. They are slow to shift and noisey. Not certain what you mean about the "stupid pin".
Shimano chain with sram chainring works fine, it is just noisy when in the climbing gears. I'd spend the money to switch to shimano cranks just for the super cheap slx chainring. 12spd shimano rings work with all other group sets too.
@@LoveMTB a norwgian retailer, it was m9100 chain. Vertical Playground is the retailer. www.vpg.no/shimano/276325/shimano-chain-xtr-m9100-cn-m9100-11-12-delt
@@LoveMTB I think having guide pulley too far back might have resulted in that too, but I am not sure, I will see how the Box One X-wide will do installed on the road link, but so far shifting has improved. but I suspect it will wear less now, cus guide pulley is not so far back, and chain wraps around better, transitioning better over the ramps and onto the teeth.
I really like how they made it easy to tell these cassettes apart by counting the black cogs.
3 black cogs - XTR
2 black ones - XT
1 black cog - SLX
no black cogs - Deore
Very nice when looking for new bikes and spotting where the manufacturers chose cheaper components
And only few grams and quite a bit of money😅
Just built a bike and put XTR cassette with XT shifter and derailleur and it's so much nicer than my other bike with full X01
Enjoy it!
As a heavier rider (225lb) I like all steel in my drivetrain. I purposely bought the cheapo steel SRAM X Sync 2 30T chainring mounted to my carbon Stylo cranks. If I were a Shimano drivetrain guy, I'd be all over this Deore cassette.
I bought the slx cassette for my e-bike with XT derailleur and shifter. Upgraded from my 11speed XT. Definitely shifts better under load, that 51t is great for hill grinds in Eco mode and way better ratio than SRAM.
@@LoveMTB only on really steep sections, I'm in East Kootenays BC
@@ilidiofaria could do, just got the standard 34 on there
As someone who is very hard on drivetrains 10 speed is still the best value for me. Saint shifter, M5120 derailleur and 11-46 M4100 cassette. Can't go wrong!
And you dont need a new hub.
My last 4000 km I use SRAM NX 12 speed it was super. Now I buy Shimano Deore 6100 12speed. After 200km look ok and a feeling that is more precise and smoothly. Ok I understand that it is new but... I'll see
I'm going to be getting one for my e bike, cheaper and more durable for the power of the eeb win win
You might wanna consider the NX PG 1230 since it does not require you to use the microspline freehub
@@Samazing01 can just go with the 5100 cassette if you want the old freehub. more range and cheaper too.
@@Ropetable nx eagle is 1150t
@@Samazing01 5100 is 11-51
@Maciej Jan Długosz got a link to that? I didn't know about this and @LoveMTB might not either.
Yes, it is really good actually, made me jump from my 11-46 sunrace as soon as I saw the price, the super long derailleur cage might make me reconsider though... Will see if it lasts a season.
@@LoveMTB True, but at least it's stick out as far as the sram ones.
Almost every ride I climb trails that are very narrow with more big rocks than dirt. I'm always worried about my derailleur, but it's usually tucked up into the larger cogs. Ive only smacked it a few times over decades. But my pedals will hit rocks numerous times on any one single ride.
@@rollinrat4850 I haven't hit rocks yet but scraped the bottom of the cage several times, I'm worried the longer cage won't survive as it stich much lower (talking about slow technical sections of course, ratcheting so not scraping pedals)
@@piciu256 Eventually you'll probably damage a derailleur. Once you start getting rough and rowdy you'll probably wreck one, probably more. Its inevitable. Ive torn off and banged up many from crashes or sticks getting into them. I just haven't wrecked many riding through rocks because I'm moving pretty slow. But That's why I don't use a top end unit. They are vulnerable. I just use the best shifters I can afford. On my bike packing bike I use friction shifters so the derailleur will always work short of being torn off the frame. Reliabily is king when I'm far from civilization and my life depends on my bike to make it home.
My local trails are some of the roughest I encounter besides the trails up in the Sierras. This is why I usually choose one of my singlespeeds almost every day. That and it's a wicked workout. They never break and I spend little time maintaining them. I realized a long time ago it's the Rider, not the bike that's usually the issue. All I really 'need' is one gear to push, sort of round wheels, pedals and h'bars to hang on to. If my body (or my bike) fails, I'm reduced to walking. It's not a big deal until I'm way out in the woods.
I used to be an mtb guide and often carried a spare derailleur just because I'd rather see my clients ride than walk. I'd even give them my bike to finish the ride!
--IT HAPPENS!
It's a great cassette. For winter grinding or emtb, take the steel option!
@@LoveMTB yeah absolutely. For embt you probably don't need over 42t (or at least I never thought I needed more when I had an ebike, no matter how steep it got), i just mentioned it because shimano say themselves it's really good with emtb because of the hg+ shifting is so great under load. So they really ought to make a 45t steel deore option available, for the eebs, although personally I'd rather go 9 or 10 sp on eebs because of chain endurance.
I use steel for my chainrings and my cogs on all my singlespeeds and my fixed gear 'cross bike. Steel lasts longer. Believe me. Its a harder material. All you REALLY 'need' is two steel gears to make that bike move. Believe that.... or not! 🫁🦵💪🧠 these things help too!
Absolutely good and durable at the cost of more weight but still
Yes working just as well as the more expensive groups
Great video thanks, currently riding with SRAM SX cassette and NX chain but Deore derailleur which works fine. The bike came with an SX derailleur but shifting wasn't great until I upgraded to Deore.
Superbe vidéo . Je roule avec ces cassettes sur mes deux vttae et je n’ai jamais eu le moindre problème. Quand au poids , sur un vttae cela ne se ressent pas . Très bonne cassette d’entrée de gamme de chez Shimano . Je la recommande vivement. 👍😉
Isn't steel gonna last longer than aluminum?
Used the Deore 6100 Cassette on a bike this winter. Rust on the teeth after several rides with salted roads.
That is guaranteed on pretty much all but the most expensive parts
Great video and thank you so much for sharing, very well executed as always. I have been watching a lot of your videos and have learned so much.
I am tempted to replace my Sunrace 11-51T on my Kona with the Deore 10-51T, only because the shifting is not the best compared to shimano.
The bike has the Deore RD-M6100-SGS but the sunrace is not perfect and I did watch your video on the Sunrace but unfortunately I cannot get the shifting to be perfect. The only issue with the shimano cassette is the bigger ratio spacing between cogs (gear steps) compared to the sunrace which I find great for commuting.
Cheers
🙏 and I think you’ll be fine with the Deore, just make sure you use a Shimano chain to take advantage of the HG+
@@LoveMTB The chain is shimano Deore I will persevere with the Sunrace for a while and down the track will give the Deore cassette a go.
I wonder what real world durability will look like with the larger steel cogs? Definitely a significant weight penalty.
From my experience riding in an area with long, steep climbs, the shimano alloy cogs do not last very long at all. After the first chain, the shifting deteriorates to a similar level as other drivetrains. Part way through the second chain, the alloy cogs will start missing shifts and jam. You'll only be able to get a third chain life out of it is you are very fastidious with keeping your drivetrain clean and check your chain often. this comes from killing two XT cassettes in an 8 month period. I complained about this directly to shimano, they recommended running a smaller chainring to stay off the alloy cogs. Essentially their design philosophy is that you're not supposed to use the entire cassette. For me, that would equate to running a 28t chainring(28x39 roughly equates to my usual 34x45 gear for steady long climbs). Not going to happen! the whole point of running 12spd for me is to get a larger gear for xc racing(34t-36t chainrings). I've gone back to 11spd with with zero issues.
Garbaruk offers a MicroSpline 10-52T cassette at only 335 g using 11 steel + 1 aluminium ring. I have not tried it yet myself but I guess that it will be my choice for my latest 29er carbon wheelset built on a XTR hub w. MicroSpine. www.garbaruk.com/12-speed-shimano-micro-spline.html
Garbaruk also offer xD cassettes in 10-48T, 10-50T and 10-52T. I guess I will replace one of my XG-1275 10-50T cassettes with Garbaruk 10-50T next time. To save some weight. r2-bike.com/GARBARUK-Cassette-12-speed-10-50-Teeth-for-SRAM-XD
@@TheNickbb10 Shimano does want the riders to use all the gears but most riders use the more extreme gears a lot less, so it's usually fine if they wear a bit slower.
But of course everyone rides a bit differently. If you want to race XC and ride lots of long, steep climbs on the same drivetrain, that may just not be the best drivetrain for you. But it does work great for many other riders and for those more steel cogs would be unnecessary.
Luckily there are other options, as mentioned here and on this channel we learned that Shimano and SRAM 12s components are pretty much completely compatible with each other to give you even more options.
I have this on my new Trance no complaints, I also have the Deore brakes very good!
@@LoveMTB Yes, i may swap out the crank to SLX for whatever reason Giant put on Praxis cranks they must have ran out of Shimano parts, not sure about Praxis.
I have this. Works fine. Also have Sram GX which clearly feels nice over all. I now have Shimano brakes on all bikes. I don't like that the first 15 mm or so does nothing. If you bleed Sram brakes correctly and adjust them you can remove all unwanted "free stroke". I don't think that is possible with Shimano?
i see deore on a lot of budget bikes now, it's great and far better than sx/nx
Yeah, it really is
The slx m7100 chain doesn't seat firmly around the 12-speed cassette. There is very very little room for adjustment and everything must be perfectly set for this shimano to work w/o noise and/or chain skip. The 11-speed deore's chain sits much more firm onto a deore 11-speed cassette and is more stable and seemingly better quality, just in my experience.
Have you checked my 12s installation video? Is your derailleur hanger straight? Shimano 12s works just fine without a lot of fiddling. Yes it’s a bit more pretentious than the old SRaM Eagle 12s…
@@LoveMTB Old Sram? know nothin of that kind.
Oh my hanger is doing okay, as i just had it checked. I'm going to make a checker though for next time i want it checked. There's a vid on youtube on how to make one.
Pls make similar vid for 5100 deore and comparing with older 11 SPD groupset it's really helpful
I built a 11 speed 11 50 setup recently. Sold it. Buyer removed the cassette and mech and went with a 11 speed 11 42 due to weight. He went with a sram xdome cassette and medium cage. He said bike is better to ride and rear suspension feels better and mech isnt hitting stuff anymore. Bike is 27.5.
Have you had any instances with the Shimano cassette lockring stripping threads? When I removed mine, the threads basically snapped right off. It is really hard to find replacements
8 or 10 tooth jump (42 to 50 or 52) no thanks. Switched to Shimano and have never looked back. I wish SRAM would make a new cassette with less of a tooth jump at the top.
great video
What are the benefits of more expensive chains?
@@LoveMTB Interesting indeed. What would your recommendation be for the best of both worlds? I ride on roads and usually use what's coming with the groupset I have (105 here).
I think it's great that deore comes with microspline hubs as it makes it much easier and cheaper to upgrade a new bike that came with this deore drivetrain.
When looking for new bikes and they come with an NX drivetrain it's just so much more expensive to get a 10T cog in the rear as you have to upgrade the cassette and the freehub
@@LoveMTB I have Cube Attention SL's with the M6100 12 speed Deore set. retail price is €899,- with a Rockshox Judy air fork. If you can find one in stock for MSRP. Which is very rare with current covid cyclers and everyone jumping on the stock. Honestly it's a lot of bike to start with for the price.
Problem is only the M6100 12 speed is microspline. The cheaper Deore 10 or 11 speed still use the traditional freehub ofcourse as you know. But that does make it confusing for potential buyers. As Manufacturers will use cheapskate garbage freehubs on the entry M4xxx deore stuff. But consumers see shimano Deore and think they got a bargain compared to an M6100 bike.
While in the end they shot themselves in the foot. Example the Attention is €799,- with 2x10 with tourney freehub at the rear. The Attention SL has a Deore Freehub because tourney is incompatible with the 10-51 casette.
I think Sram has huge disadvantage of cassettes being a one piece. Yet at the same time having zero biting-in issue is nice too. I recently folded a tooth on 13t cog on a Sunrace cassette and replaced it no problem with shimano cog. No one want's a small cog like that, to be missing a tooth. With Sram it'd be either stuck with the problem or waste a cassette. Also nice to see Deore cassette being under 600g, but still it's a porky one.
Sunrace CSMZ903 is 12s cassette 11-51 is better option than cheeper sram NX and SX cassettes because of the gear range. Sram has big gap from 42-50T/52T and because of that it is very hard to do longer climbs on 42T but too easy on 50T/52T. Sunrace has same gear range and uses standard shimano freehub body for 10 and 11s as shimano cassette and it has 46T which is perfect balance for long climbs, not too hard and not too easy.
Do you have any experience with the Garbaruk 10-52 cassette? It's lighter and cheaper than the XTR cassette, plus it only has one aluminum gear so it should be more durable as well. I'm worried about the shift quality though.
@@LoveMTB yeah, that's what I was thinking as well.
Great comparison - my Ripmo AF came with the Deore and I had been wondering if the cassette was something to consider for future upgrade, but if weight is the only difference then I'll spend the money elsewhere
Theres more than this difference for sure. The shifting in thw XT cassette is much much smoother than the SLX cassette. Every bike Ive tried swapping the cassette too, no matter the shifter or derailed, has a noticeably better shift with the XT cassete.
We’ve now tried 3 different XT cassete bikes and have narrowed it down to the actual XT cassete being the difference in the feel. Derailers ahifter or chains did t make a difference when swapping them around.
That said, SRAM 12 spee GX and SX is not in the same ballpark when it comes to being smooth.
@@LORENZindustries With respect, the only difference between 12 speed XT and SLX is the alloy 11th cog. every single other part of the cassette is completely identical. If you are getting better shifting that's great but it's not really the cassette making the difference
@@davidh7414 exactly
Great videos! Thanks. What is the reason you recommend buying the most expensive chains?
I still wonder if there is a rationale behind 10t cogs.
510% 😎
Hello towards the end of the video you recommend buying the most expensive chain you can get. Why is that? Thanks
Thanks I thought so. I read on a
forum recently that someone was averaging 6000 kms on a X01 chain.
Chains get regularly abused, ignored, mis-shifted, submerged in water, mud, sand and on and on.
Keep your ears open to hear those ANGRY MICE!!
I'm a professional shop mechanic. Ive ridden hard and raced for 50 years. Ive seen it all and wasted money on all that pro kit. Chains are expendable. Use what you can actually afford, but always keep it clean and oil it regularly. Learn to measure chain wear. Learn to shift so it hardly makes any noise. Learn to pedal correctly. These are things you can do to make chains last longer without spending more money. Bring an eye drops bottle with chain oil, a rag and a pair of latex gloves on long rides. When the chain starts to sound like ANGRY MICE, its pleading for lube!!
I get 4-5 chains worth of use out of one set of chainrings and cassette. But Much less on singlespeeds. Singlespeed drivetrains are relatively cheaper!! Chains are relatively cheap, the rest is not!
I'm pretty serious about maintenance but I rarely use the most expensive chains and I get stuff at near cost.
Another good tip is not to use the 'latest and greatest'. It's never cheap. Older stuff is almost always cheaper. Its THE RIDER, not the bike! You simply don't 'need' 12 gears! Soon it will be 13! Ive ridden since it was 5! We pedaled road bikes and singlespeeds on trail before MTBs ever existed!
The most gears I have now is 10 and I'm almost 60! The bikes I ride most are all singlespeed or fixed gear. I often ride these in mountains near my house. One gear is all you really 'need' besides 🦵🫁🫀🧠💪!
Would really love to see a video about 12s Shimano hubs. Slx, Xt, and XTR.
I haven’t seen this one, thanks!
Im using an old 11-46 10 speed shimano. Still love it, and have been looking at 12 speed for the futute. My SunRingle wheel already has a XD freehub ready to install, I dont think micro spline is available.
I recently installed shimano slx 12 speed on a friends bike. I am not a fan of all the loose cogs. We ride dry desert trails and feel it is more possible over time that the wear will be more on loose cogged micro spline over one piece Sram.
@@LoveMTB thanks for that. But the price is still prohibitive. Most likely look fora new wheel with micro already fitted.
First!! Notification squad 😍. Btw, would you recommend this over the GX 1052?
@@LoveMTB a bit off topic but are the seals on the XT 12 speed RDs any good? Just checked mine today and saw water and a bit of dirt inside the clutch mechanism. Thankfully one of your videos had a guide on how to clean the clutch assembly.
@@LoveMTB On your video, you used dumonde tech freehub grease for the roller clutch. What type of grease did you add to the rubber seal?
I've already watched this video around 5 times out of my excitement to receive this cassette. In our country, there was a promo which included the m6100 cassette and chain for just 110 dollars. I'm excited to experience the hyperglide+ shifting since I am currently using a SRAM NX Eagle cassette which I feel doesn't shift as good as the Shimano cassette does.
BTW, should I apply a liberal amount of grease on the freehub during installation? I've read articles concerning creaking on the freehub.
@@LoveMTB I bought the AbsoluteBlack Oval Chainring made for Hyperglide+ chains! If it's okay to ask, what kind of grease should I put on the microspline freehub? Should I use regular grease instead of the DT grease on the bearing seal covers?
@@LoveMTB Thanks!!
Great vids! Would like to see you test an ews-e build using the 10-45 HG+ with both the medium cage rd-m9100-gs and rd-m8000-gs.
@@LoveMTB Cool. Thanks. Not sure what an S bike is though?
I've ordered the SLX 10-45 cassette and have the medium cage XT 11 speed derailleur already. I should know soon, how well they work with an XT 12 speed shifter and if the super quick shifting of HG+ is maintained using the 11 speed derailleur.
My Scott 980 came with the 6100 and its perfect for XC riding. My only thought is can I change the crank size from 32 to 34 or even 36?
Does a budget Microspline cassette really make sense? If you have a microspline hub, you can probably afford to go SLX or up.
For me its not all about the initial cost or the weight, its about those large cogs lasting as for me they get the most wear.
@Maciej Jan Długosz Możesz podesłać link? Ciekawy temat.
@Maciej Jan Długosz Dzięki za informacje.
Do you think for e bikes it's better to stick with the deore because it's all steel?
i have sun race casette on my orbea mountain bike. i don't like it and now i'm in dilema. Should I buy 6100, 7100 or something else from shimano. my components are slx m7100
The fact that Shimano uses replaceable small cogs, makes them the best by a mile. I mean it's not even close. You cannot wear out bigger cogs enough to cause shifting problems, basically ever, it's always the small cogs.
I'm going 12 speed next year. Xt got cheap enough 👍🏻
Have fun!
I went from a pretty cheap 3x9 to 1x12 GX Eagle and never missed the extra gears.
As long as there is a 10T cog, 12 speed is great. Otherwise I'd be missing the faster gears.
@@sebastianjost that's the reason for me pretty much. I want to run 30t front and have 10t rear.
I'm even thinking about e'therteen cassette as they run on sram hub and 9t cog
Thanks for the video. I'm planning to use an NX cassette with XT shifter and rear derailleur, SLX M7120 or XT crankset on my Trek Marlin 7 HG Freehub. I've already upgraded to 4 piston SLX brakeset.
Do you know how the shifting would be? And any chain you'd recommend?
@@LoveMTB Thank you so much. I appreciate that you read all your comments even if they're older videos. 😊
very detailed 👏 GodBless
5:04 ''that a new freehub body that may or may not be available for your wheelset'' : Can someone tell me if the microspline freehubbody can screw on a hub that accepts the ''old'' hyperglide freehub body ??? Thks
Hey, loveMTB, I need your advice. Can I sent you a photography of my transmission and you will answer is it regular or not?
Where can I send it you?
just a point! you know the hyper glide plus is have nothing to do with that right? its about possibility to shift under power!
@@LoveMTB according to shimano: "HYPERGLIDE+ helps riders seamlessly maneuver rough trails by reducing pedaling shock and cutting shifting times by a 1/3" that means you can shift upward or downward almost without stopping power transfer to the pedals:bike.shimano.com/content/dam/productsite/shimano/img/tech-description/hyperglide/hg-plus_en.png
@@LoveMTB I didn't say that this making a big difference, but its there... and honestly i don't shift under load very often ( because of muscle memory) but you absolutely can if you want and its very smoother than the HG... but in comparison to Eagle cassettes beside the huge jump in the sram's lowest gear, shifting performance is close
@@LoveMTB i have ride m8100 set.and Indeed.you can shift downward while pedaling.its great!
@@LoveMTB Ok.
So which cassette do you pick considering everything.weight, durability,shifting and price?
Any brand or model.
@@LoveMTB yes just the cassette.
Why not the xt m8100 over gx?
I now have sram eagle 12 speed cassette, can i replace it with the shimano xt? No issues with existing hub?
so you finally got the CS-M5100
@@LoveMTB i am curious if it will have better performance than Sram Eagle if paired with a CN-M6100 chain or higher.
@@LoveMTB The CS-M5100 may have a working Hyperglide+ from what it looks like on the pictures. I guess it was cheaper for shimano to use the same sprockets.
i find that quality & price of the SLX & XT is better then the SRAM GX & X01.
Never had or tried the eagle versions so i can't say much about those.
what would you recommend in terms of durability? I snapped a tooth in the aluminium sprocket in the SLX today, 5 months old so pretty disappointing, and wondering if I should go for the Deore? it cost the same as SLX, otherwise go for the XT for a little extra money, but worried the aluminium sprockets would be as weak as the SLX one I have, thanks!
@@LoveMTB yeah I figured that. I wasn't sure if the XT were made with higher quality aluminium? but if they are the same as SLX I might as well go for the Deore, since I don't mind the extra weight. You mentioned that the Deore has a cheaper looking finish, any idea if they are different than the others?
@@LoveMTB oh ok thanks, yeah I thought so. Might as well keep riding the SLX without using the 12th cog, not that I use it that often
@@LoveMTB Yeah fair point! i know what you mean and I'm always careful when shifting under load, but when happened I was already in the 12th gear, so not sure if the chain snapped first causing the tooth to break or the other way around. I think I will ride with this cassette until I can get a hold of an XT. thanks for your input, your videos are super helpful!
Great info!
I really want to know if the coating on the steel is different between deore and xt or xtr. i dont think so, but no way of finding out.
@@LoveMTB you said it looks different, but i think you dont know what it is right? In tearms of wear, its hard to tell because steel wears slow anyways. i have the deore, the xt and xtr cassette, and i did not notice the difference.
@@LoveMTB i run a material laboratory, when my cassettes need to be replaced, i will run some tests to see if there is a difference.
@@LoveMTB will let you know. might take a year for me to wear out the cassettes
@Maciej Jan Długosz i wonder why this is written nowhere. sram does advertise this, shimano does not. so i will test the micro hardness of xtr and deore cassettes one day.
@Maciej Jan Długosz i know, but why wont they brag about it. to me the xtr and deore steel cogs look identical. and ill test to find out
Hi friend, I followed your recommendation to use a 11-42 11 speed cassette. What derailleur should I use for the changes to be done correctly? Deore M5100 SGS or M5120 SGS? It is a question that I have, thank you
@@LoveMTB I understand that the M5100 is for maximum 51 teeth, there will be no problem if I use it with an 11 speed cassette (11-42). By the way, which chain is better Shimano or KMC?
@@LoveMTB Does that mean I can't use the M5100 rear derailleur with that group?
@@LoveMTB Yes, I understand that, I just want to know if there is no problem if I use it with a cassette of maximum 42 teeth. Taking into account that one has 13 pulleys and another 14. And sorry for the inconvenience.
THX, going to stay with 11speed for now.
i use a older GX non eagle cassette & i think it S U C K S !
Should have just stuck with the XT i had cause i heard it would have worked with my sram GX grip shift.
There's a lot of lightweight 11 speed cassettes out there now. Even Chinese cassettes in 11-50t are coming in under ~375g. Then there's Garbaruk coming in under 300g for their 11-50t
hi sir..is it true that the deore m5100 cogs are have issue about rivvets ..they say it becomes lossen when you ride 100km????
@@LoveMTB thank you very much sir....new subscriber here from philippines
Can it fit on a non microspline hub?
Well...how?😉
@@LoveMTB like an hg hub
Top spider rivets gave way on mine really quick.
@@LoveMTB Never came back to me, sadly.
so basically all of the steel components are the same across the shimano 12sp cassettes
Even more than that, the Deore 12 speed and deore 11 speed share the same 8 largest cassette cog parts. The only difference is the spider (to fit a HG freehub) and the 3 smallest 11 speed cogs instead of 4 smallest 12 speed
Can i use this sprocket with double chainring 26-36t?
I wonder if I should get 11 speed Deore cassette or 12 Speed, I would need microspline if I go for 12 speed.
I already have a Garbaruk 11speed 11-50T on order.
how was your experience with Microspline freehub? the Deore 11 speed is the only shimano wide range cassette i stock in Norway. and only 6 Deore Rd in stock. so I think I will get it before it's gone. I want to build a bike nr 2, so won't hurt to get a RD now any way.
@@LoveMTB not sure what you mean. I know there is 11 and 12 speed version. But not sure if that's what you mean. But it's the 12 speed m6100 I am considering, I've been told it should work well with 11-51t 11 speed Cs.
@@LoveMTB OK, I've not seen m5100 in stock in Norway. So only have on roption of rd right now due to shortage, unless going for xtr that seems like wasted money. 😁
@@LoveMTB I currently have HG spline on hope pro 4 converted to boost. Have you. Has wear on splines decreased with Microspline? What about bearings and load is the load spread enough, or do Microspline compromise the hub reliability? I've seen one with crushed bearings it was a shimano hub.
@@LoveMTB so hyperglide plus is not on 11 speed cassette? I thought it had it. 🤔
All i want is all steel 10-45... it's pretty stupid that they limited those to XT and XTR.
@@LoveMTB Wait, there is SLX?
I thought only XT and XTR had 10-45... this is great, it feels like Christmas!
No, I don't use the easiest gear that much (46/34 oval, at the moment), but I do use the second one quite a bit, so I want it in steel.
SLX is perfect for me and I'll be able to use my 11spd GS derailleur, which is way shorter than that 12spd monstrosity.
Hi Love MTB.I have a Cannondale Trail 6 29 2019 and i'm ready to upgrade.My rear hub is HG drive 141qr and i want to move to 1x12 .What would your recomamdation ?
Pls include all( hub,bb,crank,shifter).
Thank you.
Funny situation on my end: my new bike comes with the Deore 12s but I want to get the Microshift Advent X 10s groupset but that means getting a standard HG driver body.
@@LoveMTB but I have a severe part hoarding problem xD
@@dasauto7346 hi man.
will you sell your Deore 12s?
I have the SLX Cassette. I'm on my 3rd chain. The stock one only lasted about 475 miles and the KMC x chain lasted over 600 mi. It also ran much smoother than the stock shimano start to finish. Fluke? (All of this running on a Trek Rail 7, and I am a mechanic so I check my chain wear often with Park CC-2 Tool). Thx for the informative videos. You do a good job.
@@LoveMTB I think it felt better cause the cassette had worn in some. Maybe at that point the HG+ matters less. The stock chain was Shimano SLX. As far as CC-2 being accurate it totally depends on the user. When used side by side the CC-2 and any of the others it always shows the chain worn out first. We tested this every time a diff model comes out over the years for our own knowledge and for selling to customers. We want to find a worn chain before it wears cassette too much.
I run kmc on all 5 of my bikes. No problems.
@@LoveMTB I replace 12 speed at .5 using the cassette as suggested by Park. They have a chart...if I could only send a pic here!
How many kms do deore cassette last?
Can i use cn m6100 chain with cs m8100 cassette? Now i have a cs m6100 will the cs m 8100 be an upgrade?
@@LoveMTB so the chain is compatible, what do you think does it really worth it?
@@LoveMTB thanks a lot for your respond and your nice youtube channel your videos are very helpful.👍🏻
No thanks I’m using the
Xx1 11speed 265g so so light
hey i love you channel! Can you review the polish cassettes from #garbaruk? HG 12-Speed and Mircospline 12-Speed run with Deore/SLX/XT/XTR derailleurs?
I just had bad experience with Garbaruk. Ordered in Aug 2021 Garbaruk 10-52 Microspline 12 speed cassette. Has been waiting till October because they have 2 months delays. Few days ago received cassette and installed instead of stock Deore 10-51 and could not tune shifting for a several hours. Even my mechanic couldn't tune good shifting on Garbaruk cassette. We tested on new chains, chain length was according to Shimano manuals. On Deore\XT shifting is great, but on Garbaruk it didn't work. I wrote to Garbaruk support and they answered like "I’m terribly sorry to hear that, Unfortunately, we just realized that we manufactured a short batch faulty Micro Spline cassettes. We fixed the issue and will send you a new one." Ha-ha, no thanks, I don't want to continue this tune quest with new cassette, asked to refund and returned faulty cassette back. I'd better order XT 10-51, of course it's a bit heavier than 335g but it works smooth and clear as it should!
MTB/gravel peeps, can someone explain why you guys need such a large cassette? I'm a roadie using a 11-32 cassette with a 50-34 chainring and climb like a 40 degree hill for about 200 meters without a problem. I can't even imagine using the 51T ring.
We arent as fit as you roadies are. Lol
@@1911Zoey I recently rode up to a look out and needed that 52 tooth on a sram cassette haha
does the m6100 rd is compatible with 9t-51t cassette? is the shifting the same?
zrace cassette
I read the specs of m6100 and it says that the maximum smallest cogs should be 10t but what if i use a cassette that is 9t. the series of teeth of the ZRace cassete is 9-11-13-15-18-21-24-28-32-38-42-50t.
Please give me your opinion . I have derailleurs XTR RD-M9000 GS 11 speed and so far I used CS-M 8000 11-46 T cassette. What do you think if the DEORE CS-M 5100 11 speed 11-51T cassette will work with my derailleurs. Thank you for the good information All the best in the New Year 2021!
@@LoveMTB Thanks, but my questions is about 11 speed cassette not 12 sp. DEORE CS-M 5100 is 11 sp. What do you think about this combinations? All the best !
why the most expensive chain? Wouldn't it be a better approach to drop the cheapest Deore chain on it and change it more often to keep the teeth not worn?
Actually, I tried the less expensive chain with the new 12s. Only the 9100 worked properly. It was quiet and amazingly quick between shifts. Don't skimp!
How is it on 11 and 10 speed in your opinion? And how about throwing Sram on Shimano 11s because of that stupid pin? :) Thanks!!
@@LoveMTB It's only my opinion, but after testing various chains including KMC and Shimano, only the 9100 worked properly. The others were fine, but why settle for "fine" when you can have great.
@@marekvanatka2426 Actually, I have tried the 12 speed chains on 11 and 10 speed drivetrains. They work exceptionally well. I'm running a 12s chain on a 9 speed shimano drivetrain. Wonderful.
Also, I have found that the SRAM chains, don't work as well as the Shimano chains, on the Shimano cassettes. They are slow to shift and noisey.
Not certain what you mean about the "stupid pin".
@@eBikerHowie the connecting pin you use instead of the quick link...
Anybody tried the 12s Deore , SLX on notLunar GX or X0??? Will be 1 tooth More a problem???
@@LoveMTB thank you
Shimano chain? Yes.. if you use Shimano chain you MUST use a shimano chainring. They are NOT the same tooth thickness as the sram
Shimano chain with sram chainring works fine, it is just noisy when in the climbing gears. I'd spend the money to switch to shimano cranks just for the super cheap slx chainring. 12spd shimano rings work with all other group sets too.
will the shimano Deore 12 speed chain work on 11 speed cassette well?
@@LoveMTB I see xtr chain is listed as 11/12 speed
@@LoveMTB a norwgian retailer, it was m9100 chain. Vertical Playground is the retailer. www.vpg.no/shimano/276325/shimano-chain-xtr-m9100-cn-m9100-11-12-delt
@@LoveMTB that's what I suspected.
@@LoveMTB I think having guide pulley too far back might have resulted in that too, but I am not sure, I will see how the Box One X-wide will do installed on the road link, but so far shifting has improved. but I suspect it will wear less now, cus guide pulley is not so far back, and chain wraps around better, transitioning better over the ramps and onto the teeth.
@@LoveMTB have you tried Wippermann Connex chains?
very good!
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bought this for my ebike..
Ipari hulladék mindkettő.
Így néz ki 300km után az M5100: ua-cam.com/video/7yj-Mc1_PRM/v-deo.html
Rivets are absolute ass. Will fail pretty quickly.