This is genuinely 99% of twitter discourse, a lot of (especially left leaning) people on twitter get made uncomfortable or cringe at something mostly harmless and then they work backwards to explain why "No actually, this thing is morally evil, actually" Its exhausting to see people who are (probably) on my side argue that being sex positive is bad, actually because a guy made a comic they dont like
The older I get the more accurate this feels. I no longer have the time or energy to see every legitimate show of interest in something as cringe. It's exhausting and unproductive, we should just be happy people are enjoying things as long as they aren't harming others which is exactly what this post seems to be.
@sipcee as a left-winger I absolutely despise these toxic people and call them wokescolds, I do not claim them at all. I have dealt with some in real life aswell and they are usually abusive and just awful to be around, one actually called me a colonizer for saying the word "bruh".
I'm so tired of this conception people have online that something must be EITHER horny or wholesome, and the two aren't capable of co-existing in the same space. It gives me the impression that a lot of people feel subconsciously ashamed of their sexuality.
Wow, this thought has never dawned on me, that some people view it as a dichotomy. Not sure why. I guess because I’ve never seen it as a dichotomy, and in fact, think they should mix more often than they do.
I think it might also be a thing for people who got targeted with sexual violence. Being overvigilant and having a negative association with sex which can lead to this mindset. And like it's understandable but also arguing on twitter is not the way to work through stuff like that.
He brought this on himself. No one told him to have ravenous wolves for fans. Anyone with discerning eyes know that the LGBT community are Chaotic Evil and live to tear down an ally the moment they disagree on something.
The point of Jocat's post wasn't even "all women are smashable", it was "all women are deserving to be loved, in ways that are important to them as people, no matter their physical appearance". The point was take the overbearing objectification and horny-ness out of it. He fucking said "stop asking".
That said, it's also admitting that, like, finding people hot isn't just about their bodies, or sometimes isn't about their bodies at all, but about *them as people.* It's a fun, goofy little exercise in how fantasy doesn't have to flatten its subject. And good for him.
@@shroomer8294I will say The tweet he’s replaying to is actually a reply to a whole other artist who they themselves drew that as basically a poll for their audience to vote on which character would be drawn next for a sort of event they were doing, so the criticism about the art in of itself wasn’t even being sexual, it got hijacked by a numbskull who was
I've NEVER in my life laughed at anything harder than you saying "Being gay about pussy". Not only was it an enlightening statement, but it was also beautifully and briefly put. This is why I internet-parasocially love you in whatever way that makes sense
It would be funny if it wasn't literally what got JoCat harassed (mostly) off the Internet. For liking girls but in a "gay" way on his "I like girls" parody video.
@@NecrapocalypseI have no clue exactly who the audience was for burning Jo at the stake, but the fact he got sent [a potential exploding thing] feels like enough of a hint that it’s the alt-right
@@ThatWolfArrow Yeah. Yeah. I watched that Moon Channel video too, and against that guy’s wishes, I feel zero shame in swearing off state media no matter how popular it is. Granted in my case it’s like being told how a meat packing plant works after having eaten nothing but potatoes and precisely one chicken nugget, but my ongoing boycott still stands. >Jesse what are you talking about Long video about the truly old history of imperial Japan, things they learned from colonial powers, and how that eventually lead to the state funding of every flavor of cultural export to clean up their image.
I've been a fan of JoCat for a few years now, and it's been wild seeing this man who has done no wrong get so much hate for basically being the only cishet guy to fit the label of lesbian
Something deeply wrong and gross about the idea that being horny is wrong and vile, and that expressing your sexuality through genuinely fun looking date ideas is somehow a dishonest expression of horniness. To create that art, personality had to be poured into characters who were presented in looks only. Not being on twitter the past year has been a blessing.
Meanwhile, on the opposite end of the curve, every person on Reddit I have ever seen talk about a character in a pseudo-sexual way (“I want to sniff her hair” and other deliberately mild statements) has always turned out to be some flavor of creep, alt-right, or both. Pretty much the only way to tell if somebody on the internet is normal about sex is if they are blunt about it
@@falcongamer58 puritans definitely exist off of twitter, my point about leaving twitter moreso pertains to the fact that the algorithm and dunk culture on that website forced me to see them
The OP stressing that the biggest issue is that its "annoying" like ok, then do what everyone else does when they see someone being annoying online and scroll past it. The talk about JoCat being "deceptive" is just justifying what OP actually wants to do which is dunk on the annoying guy. JoCat having a large following also makes it easy because it doesn't feel like just shitting on some guy for being horny online; but that's all it is.
And from what I've personally seen, most people don't even agree with what OP was saying, even those who seemingly hate JoCat make up their own reasons. I legit had to pressure a guy to tell me his real reason after claiming he hates JoCat because he's a pedo or something stupid. They make up their own reasons because its easier to find a crack in the wall that way and have everyone divert to claim that was their reason all along even if that reason is as fake as the rest.
the OP is one of the old popular tumblr users who got famous doing this exact thing there. basically any popular internet user they found cringe, they couldn't just call them cringe, they had to invent some reason to hate them that sounded social justicey. that way it's not only more sensational, but if someone disagrees with them they can be like, "so you love bigots??" and never have to take criticism themselves. drama bloggers posing as activists.
anyone who takes offense at jocat's drawings has clearly lost their mind. relationships in general have a balance of both "wholesome" fun bonding and sex! someone who is attracted to those characters and therefore is interested in depicting a relationship with them would obviously want to depict exactly this combination of things! this is what dating a girl is like! go into the real world! good lord.
This sentiment but like 100-fold. Too many straight people are absolutely NOT okay about dating and even worse about anything sexual. Sex should flow naturally from the good vibes between you and can totally be wholesome or silly or whatever. No matter what activity you're doing, casting aside whatever preconceived societal bullshit you hold about it in your head will make it 2x more fun and open your eyes to what it *can be* rather than what you think it *should be*. I don't even understand what this tweeter thinks that sex is
The same people must be told that the furry fandom is absolutely not sexual or else they'll believe that the furry fandom is only about sex, because their mind cannot comprehend someone going to a mosh on Monday and then fursuiting for orphans on Tuesday.
This is because our society demonizes sex as something forbidden, despite also cultuating it. Sex is supposed to be a wholesome bonding activity between people who love eachother. Denying this aspect of life and treating it as something inherently impure instead of treating it as something serious and more close leaves us at current society; radicalized puritans and porn addicts.
@@sipcee EXACTLY MY POINT! People make this unfair distinction because they view the sexual act as impure, yet they still go back to it. Why can't we just" find the middle path" as a Buddhist would say? Sex should be treated as a bond made manifest, a union between two lovers, a moment of truth and respite despite the impurity of the world. The sexual act itself is pure, but our society radicalizes it unfairly.
I feel like certain people find gnc cishet men threatening because they got sold the idea that gnc men are either gay or just pretending in order to prey upon women. And they carry this idea into contexts where the man in question isn't even pretending he's gay without realising it.
Yeah, I feel like a lot of homophobia and especially transphobia can be described this way. Any men not acting "the way they should" is a sign of deception; after all, if ANY man was allowed into women's spaces they would immediately sexually harass the women. The ironic thing is, more often than not, hearing this come from people that'll call women derogatory terms the moment they're inconvenienced.
It hurts my transfemme soul that a non-zero amount of why I feel the need to medically transition is the equally non-zero amount of dudes who have used our labels to get laid. I am at peace with my flaws, and I’m not terribly dysphoric all the time, but the gnawing dread of the Nice Guys of old haunts me.
@@b-doi1211 That's not really what that means. When feeling cute aggression, you're not in denial that something is cute or actively berating the cute thing. It's more that you see something that is so cute you want to crush it into a tiny ball and throw it against the wall (etc.)
Theres this kinda anti-porn undercurrent to a few tumblr celebs, especially anti "weird" porn. Megapope getting nuked right after publicly shitting themself over the word mousegirl for example. On tumblr a lot of turbofascists are open hentai posters, bidoof's law and all that, but its weird to assume that any guy with an interest in hentai is incapable of forming genuine emotional connection with that passion. Microcelebs of their ilk tend to just throw punches to get fans who think they're cool for dunking, I don't think they care about being discerning.
@@starmantheta2028It seemed like it would, but it actually stabilized pretty well after a bit. It's actually the most bearable social media site now. The issue is that the porn ban has doomed the internet. The olden days of Tumblr had all of the crazies locked deep within Tumblr. The porn ban opened the gates of hell that unleashed these people onto platforms that projected thier opinions.
@@starmantheta2028 the ban was exclusively on images so the site's pre-existing fanfiction base picks up the porn slack. It's unfortunately still my favorite social media platform because of the cataloguing you can do with tags and the customization.
@@starmantheta2028oh, it still exists there. also, it kinda has to do with the fact that tumblr is the only semi-good social media platform that exists anymore. sure, there's a lot of the anti-kink people on there but its far less than what you'd see on places like twitter and the facebook one, or on most other twitter replacements
@@tsrenis I see. I don't have Twitter Facebook, Tumblr, and the like. I've just heard more than a few horror stories about Tumblr both online and from people who have experienced its wrath, which is why I'm surprised. Still wish they didn't ban porn, though
this be a classic Tumblr type beat. people finding someone or something personally annoying and instead of just admitting that well... they have to make up a Philosophical reason why their dislike is Justified.
Man, I love the fact that Tumblr “funny”men are without fail trying to do a Trevor Noah. You are allowed to be funny without having a point. You are allowed to not like something, voice that discomfort, and move on
The thing about those pics is that it shows someone who likes women. There's that whole thing about heterosexual men who are sexually attracted to women but don't much care for or respect them. JoCat's depictions of himself liking women, and their interests, and the things they do, and wanting to be involved in their lives is honestly refreshing. And if that's upsetting, just... Scroll past. Also Twitter is an absolute ragebait machine and thrives off negative engagement so I expect that post to only ever be shown the people who will loudly and vulgarly yell at it.
I’m just gonna say it: Tumblr funnymen don’t exist. It’s only a Tumblr funnyman if they are funny and don’t let it go to their head, otherwise it’s sparkling jackass
this reminds me of how people called travis mcelroy annoying for years but couldnt find a good reason to write callout posts and get him shamed off their feed until he had a personality disorder moment during an among us game
hard agree. too many people decide that they just don't like Some Internet Dude and take the first chance they can to make their mild annoyance into some kind of great grand moral failure of someone who is essentially just... a guy. who isn't perfect but isn't even really bad
I've had a pet theory for a while that this is gonna happen to brennan lee mulligan sometime in the next few years. they have the same kind of cringe-charisma I think - the traits that make them appealing and fun to watch are the same traits that make them kind of annoying and overbearing sometimes. tryhard energy. I find that kind of vibe comforting, it's a "see, it's okay to be a bit cringe sometimes, 'cringe' can be fun and likeable," but I know not to be too reassured by it anymore.
@@joeytwoeyes Someone’s going to try and turn Brennan’s conquistador exercise from the bingo episode of Game Changer into a cancleable offence, mark my words
Really? I thought the culprit for making so much nothing out of his drama that Zoe Bee covered it was his slightly bad D&D campaign, where the only good coverage I saw of it basically said “how dare my parasocial relationship with four mildly rich strangers not be good enough”
@@lancesmith8298 The dnd campaign was kinda the catalyst for it, iirc. It gave people something to latch onto and hate about him besides just vibes, and it put his personality and ideas front and centre.
being unapologetically cringe on the internet sometimes seems like a bigger social death than being an actual child predator and it's very disheartening.
I don't even use my timeline, I just go straight to the artists I wanna keep up with. Also, I have a freind who has like the most perfectly filtered meme timeline.
@@MythicMachina I wish twitter would let me separate the accounts that I want to see everything from and the accounts that repost a ton 😔 but now that musky boy owns it I think literally any quality of life update is off the table
This whole thing makes a lot more sense when you realise that liking women is not a necessary or even desired component of traditional male heterosexuality.
Yup, basically they don't like that a hetero feminist ally isn't masculine enough for them. Calling out the hate he gets as queerphobic is probably the only way to get people to leave him alone since sense is no longer common and people only seem to respond to social threats these days sadly
I find it heartwarming that despite all the abuse and harassment he gets, he's still an outspoken LGBT ally that donates to Trans charities. A lesser man would use it as an excuse to become a far right weirdo.
Well, usually in those situations it’s not an excuse it’s just they’re pushed in that direction. But yes, it definitely says a lot about his resolve that he’s still able to do this despite everything
@@ghostshrimp5006I'd call that an excuse. If you ever believed the opposite of right wing views it probably would take more to completely flip on it than "peoples are assholes to me." The kind of person who goes into right wing grifts doesn't hold the morals they're preaching or never really believed in the ones they claimed to initially follow
@@xemiii it’s not just people being assholes, it’s people being assholes 24 seven, harassing not only you, but your family and friends, Constantly sending death threats, Constant anxiety of being sent a pipe bomb in the mail, being stalked IRL by the terminally online. All of this is because they don’t agree with your views, It causes people to shift the side that seems more welcoming, It’s not an immediate shift, it happens gradually day by day. I’ve seen this happen multiple times, it happens with people with either mild opinions or people that just want to try and help, they get massive backlash, and then radicalize to the right wing. The enemy of my enemy is my friend taken to its logical conclusion
@@ghostshrimp5006 But even in that case, its still an excuse. Someone with actual foundational moral standings, IE someone who wholeheartedly believes in the things they preach, cant so easily be persuaded to radically change for having threats cast at you. Otherwise the queer community would be riddled if not entirely comprised of far right extremists by now. Frankly, same for any other minority- most if not all minorities experience violent hatred, often times loosely or directly tied to threats of violence, doxing, bombings, ect. Point being, If it wasn't an excuse to radically change, then they wouldn't have changed at all. if they really in their heart of hearts believed that queer folks should have freedoms and liberties the same as anyone else, getting push back from some queer people wouldnt shake them of it. and even if im wrong in this? I'd argue its worse, because how can someone transition from a position of queer allyship to advocating for the removal of queer people from society, just with the 'pushing' by a hand full of people, not be considered just- evil? Personally, as a queer person, I dont trust their original advocacy anymore what so ever. If it was that easy to persuade them to move alt right, I cant trust that they ever truly advocated for my rights.
Funny thing is, the far-right weirdos dug up that video of his, to bait "the left" into cancelling him, in order to "teach him a lesson" for standing with trans people in the Hogwarts Legacy debate.
lol, isnt pissvortex the same guy who sided with megapope when megapope on tumblr posted a similar type of screed against a trans woman furry posting (making a joke about a mousegirl bartender and calling her out for Being secretly really horny about it for calling her a mousegirl and not just a mouse) that was like the same shit as this but even worse somehow
i remember that image holy shit. also i agree. it's a creative and fun spin on that image, being friends with all these people equally rather than having to pick one as a "type" is a lot more wholesome and cute. It's an expansion on the personalities that these people have rather than just focusing on their bodies. It just makes sense to me that this would be a way to "solve the riddle" in a sense. The hate isn't justified. By the way, Twitter will do you no good, the same happened to me with Instagram and i had to break it off entirely.
That just means that being needlessly cruel to him is a better way to show you really mean it when you cry out against [effeminate men/cringey catboy wannabes/predatory cishet dudes trying to act like they care about you as a person/these fuckin weirdos/the plague of weak men eroding greco-roman-derived western civilization].
Its not weird at all for sweet people to be controversial. Mr. Rogers was controversial in his time for allowing a black man on his show right after segregation was ended legally. Sweet people care about their fellow human beings, often including the people that society considers lesser, jocats controversiality started after his trans charity livestream
@@ladygeneveve3805Oh this point absolutely, because sweetness is always what society generally agrees with, even if they are truly good they'd have to also go against what society believes is bad, not what actually is bad. Society will make it look like it is because they don't agree, the worst is the fact that simply disagreements leads to such Harrasment Not that person is actually a bastard. They ingore the humanity because it's easier to harras a subhuman.
if i had a dollar for every time people got weirdly angry about jocat expressing his love for women i would have 2 dollars which is frankly way too many times. maybe its because of The Tism but i just... don't get why he gets the vitriol that he does whenever he does this. ooo, he did an animated music video with *girls he likes*!! and now he's done a silly joke drawing that's pretty cute! this kind of weird hate that happens is the kind of shit that makes people hide their emotions online, i have been afraid to express my kind of love and desire of weird and nontraditional things in the past because of these events. i feel like it's an extension of the whole "cringe" thing. people who want to be genuine, who want to do the things they want to do, decide to hide away out of fear of being ridiculed by the bullshit culture that has grown up around making fun of people. they never get to express themselves or find a community. i don''t know. i have been without sleep for nearly 24 hours and this video got me thinking about things.
I wonder if its autism too. Sure, sometimes I don't read people right and that causes problems, but I also notice how "neurotypical" people will have all these odd reactions to things that I don't understand. Maybe it's just a side effect of being more socially inclined? That while they're better able to navigate social interactions they are also simultaniously more endagnered by partaking in taboos (even benign ones)? I'm not neurotypical so idk, just thinking out loud
I think he's getting hit from 2 directions. On one hand, there are dude bros who feel that treating women as people is a threat to masculinity. They see such actions as a sign of weakness and attack. Coming from the other side, you have sex negative feminists who think that attraction and objectification are fundamentally the same thing and, well, they're definitely against objectification.
That’s what I’m wondering like am I just stupid or can people not fathom a man appreciating women without objectifying them? Really the only reason any of these panel’s are seen as sexual is because of the characters chest size which isn’t ok. Big chests aren’t inherently sexual.
I know everyone already said this, but it’s so comically obvious that people just hate JoCat because they don't want to accept the idea that a man can like a woman without being overly dominating about it but he hasn't done anything wrong so they continuously grasp at straws for justifiable reasons to harass him and his family, it’s such a pathetic thing to pose as a hero while harassing and bullying an innocent man cause he doesn't conform to your views on masculinity, it’s cowardice to hide behind “being righteous” as a reason to bully a guy for not viewing women as sexual objects.
i could not articulate why pissvortex's thread pissed me off so much beyond thinking to myself, "what is it like to be so cynical and full of suspicion for the most mundane things that you have to, like, intellectualize the fact that you think this dude is cringe?" just say you think he's cringe, man, it's not that fuckin deep. it's the god damn soft boy discourse from like 5 years ago all over again. god damn it
there is a bafflingly large number of people who are absolutely terrified by the thought that somewhere in the world there is someone who is genuinely enjoying sex, and they always have a way of justifying this fear with whatever ideology they happen to subscribe to
You know, I thought the "I like girls" video was really cringe, so I clicked off it. That was it. I didn't need to invent a narrative in my head where JoCat was a predator or only saw women for their bodies or felt the need to harrass him off the Internet. I just moved on with my life and never thought about him until he started getting attacked on Twitter. JoCat is probably a perfectly likeable, normal, and well-adjusted person with healthy views about women. I still don't like him. That's fine. You can like someone who hasn't done anything wrong, but people invent reasons that it's "okay" to slander and attack him and hurt him without worrying about being a bully.
This is a perfectly normal and valid viewpoint on someone you don't really care for. It's actually astonishing how rare things like this are to see these days.
Yeah, cause heaven forbid people just disagree/dislike and move on with their lives on the easiest platform to do so. These people are just looking for reasons to spread hate at this point
People are just looking for reasons to re-enact and re-invent school playground rules. They wanna call him the f slur, they just can't find a way to couch it in a cohesive, intelectual argument
sounds like you spend too much time seeing the negative part of the world on twitter, sitting on a strangely square-like chair while sipping some diet pepsi wondering when the next album from your favorite musician will come out
Honestly? Most MEN would or should probably prefer to be more like JoCat than they currently are. I am a cishet man, and I wish I were more like JoCat.
If those interactions are considered sexual, there is no hope for normal friendship anymore. Do people really think that going to an amusement park or hanging out at a house playing handheld video game is sexual in any way? This is why we are the loneliest generation.
Many people from the bird app have not been in a healthy relationship, and it shows Choosing between wholesome and attraction should not be a constant compromise for adult partners
When you worry and work to be "one of the good ones" you'll just wind up exhausted after doing your oppressor's work for them. Then they'll steamroll you anyway. Matt Bernstein's vid on annoying gays galvanized me in this fight. None of us are free until we're all free
In a healthy relationship it's not even a choice. A healthy sex life cannot function without patience, respect, and good communication. They're not opposing forces, they're symbiotic (or at least, they should be).
Jocat just proves that the best way to piss off people is to just be yourself and support those who society has looked down upon. Nothing will drive evil people crazier than showing gentle kindness to those that society have deemed "unworthy". Despite everything that's happened to him, JoCat's just a nice person and we really need that nowadays.
“Some believe that it is only great power that can keep evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf
If i had a nickel for every time i've heard a person say jocat is "gay for women" i'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice
While I get the point of saying it, I also hate it, because it only furthers the stereotype that actually appreciating your partner(s)/people you’re attracted to is a homosexual trait, and not just the bare minimum
It's so weird how, like, a lot of fellow queers seem to turn so harshly on cishet guys when they act genuinely sweet about their sexuality. Like, I know it's honestly pretty reductive, but our friend group tends to jokingly refer to wholesome and healthy examples of straight relationships as "the gayest straight relationship ever." Toxic and abusive dynamics are sadly very heavily normalized in ""straight culture"" (not to say that they can't and don't also exist in queer relationships) and so it feels like we should be celebrating people who buck from that. We shouldn't be mocking them, and we certainly shouldn't be attributing malice to positive behavior. tl;dr, wifeguy behavior is sweet and should honestly be encouraged. -Korb
If you don't totally respect those very rigid social norms (and let's face it, who does?), you can become those norms' strongest defender. I've heard a formerly fat person just repeats fat phobic rhetoric. I've been very angry at people who didn't hide the autism as well as me (which wasn't well tbh) in the past. That may be a part of it. You learned being corny is shameful, so you shame everyone for it.
People who grew up in the 2010s grew up to hate sincerity and mask it with several layers of irony. Thus when these people come across someone who is genuine about their feelings for something, the socially acceptable norm is to rationalize your hate for it and dog on them.
THANK YOU for talking about this weird "wholesome and sexy are separate things completely" mindset, I've seen it a lot in leftist spaces too and it's so tiring. Like, just say you think sex is inherently sinful and evil and move on.
I'm a diehard communist, but my girlfriend and I always act both wholesome and unabashedly horny in equal measure. Sometimes, being wholesome is sexy, and other times, being sexy is wholesome.
So he clothed them, had some fun premises with various date ideas and treated them respectfully as individuals who all deserved to be loved and cherished, WHAT A MONSTER!!! seriously though this is your sign, delete Twitter, take a shower and go for a walk
It's the exact same harassment, I feel... I don't think it's a coincidence that it started during his trans rights charity campaign & right after his stream where he finally showed off his dress and sword collection. Dude showed support for trans folks and a little bit of his own effeminacy and now he's getting hit with the same bullshit that we get hit with
Objectify (verb): when you treat women as human beings and spend time with them as equals and have a great time, but you also, presumably, find them attractive.
In a weird way too, jocat is a victim of psychological patriarchy where people’s idea of manhood conflicts with his presentation of manhood. Because he breaks masculine presentation stereotypes it makes people uncomfortable because they’re used to gender norms.
hi I was on twitter in 2020-22. it was like tumblr is now but worse. I was socially obligated to justify a trans woman stating a dubious opinion after receiving her sixth targeted harassment campaign, went on the same exact rant every two months, and got into an argument over whether headcanons about fictional characters are morally acceptable. blocking people was seen as taboo, and there was this weird undercurrent of "curating your social media experience is wrong". two people I followed were run off the site for dubious art-related reasons. a project I was in imploded due to a fight over whether or not you can hate the english as an irish trans woman.
as someone that was on it until... March, or so, of this year; it's so much worse than we could have known it would get. it's gone full pay-to-win PvP mode with a main dish of outright (and borderline encouraged) fascism. and cis is a slur over there, so. you... you know. it's bad.
Yeah... seeing the hate Jocat gets always makes me wonder how much of it is right-wing tools astroturfing, how much is leftist infighting, and how much is centrist "well this is weird and I don't understand it" knee-jerk rejection.
all the leftists I know think the way he's being treated is shameful. maybe tankies are shitting on him but tankies siding with right wing tools on a social issue is nothing new
@@leviadragon99 Aesthetically yes, but it all ultimately comes back into each other. The term leftist specifically has been very diluted online as a substitute for SJW that we forget about all the "leftists" who don't agree on economic, social, or philosophical issues at all, but are put in the leftist category anyway purely on vibes, like _Social Democrats..._ A lot of infighting comes from just completely misunderstanding or disagreeing on what leftism even is and the social angle is such a tangled mess for anyone to follow, people easily get swept up into disguising their base knee jerk instincts in leftist language because they unsurprisingly haven't done the full deconstruction and critique of their own beliefs and even sense of self, making them truly no better than any fascist, liberal, or _social democrat..._ Centrism and right-wingism's have always been far more interconnected than centrism is with anything leftist but ultimately view both sides the same for being genuine historical movements wanting to genuinely move history. True Leftists will always be Leftists, even if flawed, no matter the position in history and time, but given their way a Fascist will comfortably become a Centrist and a Centrist similarly is susceptible to falling into Fascism if it can combat the more radical changes. It all comes from the same psycho-political forces that are embedded within the cultural subconscious and work in ways to undermine understanding and combat historical movements from the inside of our very minds. It's called The Reactionary.
@@redactedoktor Unironic use of "SJW" 2013 called, it wants its buzzwords back. You are just a profoundly unserious person with no political literacy huh?
I can't wait for the feature creep of the sensory items on the top left corner. Will it ever stop? Can we have a whole frame of mesmerizing spinning objects?
This whole JoCat situation feels like one of those moments. You know, one of those moments where one scumbag is revealed to be a scumbag, but someone says a single bad word and everyone hyperfixates on that guy instead. Except, the internet skipped that first part and just went straight to hating some guy.
i genuinely wonder how pissvortex and some of these other Weird Twitter personalities don't spend every second of their lives in abject misery. everyone is a cliquey bully over there now, and it doesn't even seem like they're having fun doing it.
More than willing to bet they do live in misery. Most likely heavily depressed or angry about things outside of their control. But rather than dwell on it and maybe try to come to terms with their complex feelings, they'd much rather mask it with several layers of cynicism and bully others who are able to be sincere about their feelings, simply because that's easier for them.
I love how people just can’t comprehend how a guy can love girls just as a whole. Not just for sex, but to genuinely love them like a gay man would his husband or a lesbian would her wife. Because heterosexuality is so constantly defined by exploitation of women by men and how unsafe both parties feel in the relationship. Men are often closed off and not comfortable being emotionally available for fear of it being used to emotionally abuse them, which happens constantly, women are always physically more vulnerable in a heterosexual relationship and it colors what they do, especially nowadays when stories of sexual and domestic violence are more pushed in women’s faces than ever. Regardless of the stats it takes a toll to constantly see it happening. So to see a guy that genuinely just loves women because they’re women it’s hard for a lot of people to look at comfortably because it’s not what they expect and it’s weird. So ya, it’s just queer phobia but targeting the straight man that acts “gay”.
Mario has completed his mission. He overcame the fire bar. He reached the top of the hill and now walks free. Or he is rattling around at Mach 15 in Rambley’s brain/CPU/memory bank thing.
Like, im not even on the side of "jocat is a wholesome smol bean uwu" but to see the pic he made and the video he made and to say hes "misogynistic" or "pedophilic" is fucking NUTS.
The internet is where you put on the mask of anonymity, to bring sincerity to such a place is a geave sin to be punished. I vote we let the lesbian boi go do his thing
damn. I never thought of it that way. So true. Anyway. I love JoCat. Great humor. Great art. Great animations. Haters gonna hate. I hope they don't chase a good creative guy from the net with their toxicity.
Honestly, those drawings aren't even that sexually charged. There's a little bit of that in some of them, but in the end, they're clearly all focused on spending time with these girls and enjoying their company as the women that they are. Literally cannot fathom the problem here except for twitter brainrot.
I literally cannot understand what these people mean when they say his post "objectified" the women like i dont think giving the random girls distinct personalities and hobbies is objectifying..? i dont think these people know what the word means
The fact that anyone could have a problem with JoCat's tweet is so baffling to me? I've never heard of this guy before watching this, to be clear. Like, oh no, a dude...expressed that he is attracted to women? Twitter artist likes drawing pretty girls, fork found in kitchen. I dunno maybe it's also because I'm a selfshipper so I inherently spend a lot of time fantasizing about and drawing myself dating and yes, even fucking, fictional people, so the idea of that behavior being inherently objectifying seems really silly to me. Idk if this is coherent.
The issue is that a lot of the far right extremeist crowd found his stuff and just projected it into orbit. You can't reason with those fucking people.
before i relized im a trans man, growing up being a "girl" who liked other girls, i sometimes felt i was predatory towards the other girls bcus i felt sexual attraction towards women, i think i unlearned it mostly (well i still freeze up everytime someone flirts with me suggestivly bcus im deathly afraid of making anyone feel uncomfortable so i dont know how to respond) as i grew up and saw queer women online being unapologeticly horny about women, and understanding that its fine as long as im a respectful person and value consent. i kinda feel like im back in a weird position again after i realized im a man, i feel like the way jocat expressed attraction in the post was similar to the way i/others expressed it when i was younger. but seeing people react to it like this or saying "sensitive/cute" straight men only acts like that to decive women, idk what to make of myself,
Whenever you put a piece of art into the world, you have no control over what people will read into it. People impose their own meaning on your work, even if that's not what you intended at all. To me, JoCats work here is saying that all women are beautiful as individuals, regardless of body type and personality, and deserving of love. That his post is a rejection of the objectification o presented in the meme. To someone else, they may look at this and think he's a pervert who just wants to bang anything that moves, and that he is furthering the objectification. We are all bringing our own experienced and emotional baggage to any interpretation we make.
Wow, I've never considered the idea that some hate on effiminate men (or those they percieve as such) as a precautionary measure to weed out "dangerous men." I'm not going to act like its unreasonable for people to be hypervigilant for the sake of keeping women safe, as the world can be quite horrid to any women, but the extremism with which this sort of lense is focused on queer people just comes across as insane paranoia. Yes, I'm thinking of terfs and gender criticals with this. The biggest reason it comes across as unfounded paranoia to me is because the sort of people I see acting this way often defer to people like Graham Lineham, Matt Walsh, or Elon Musk as paragons that are "defending women's rights," despite the fact they all have some glaring behavior that flies in the face of that. If it isn't obvious about me waxing on about it I find this perspective really interesting and a possibly helpful angle with which to understand why some people persecute others like this. That and, as I saw some other commenters say, this shit could just be performative and is just being used as an excuse to legitimize the author's petty hate. Edit: Oh wait its totally the latter the little "why do people find it annoying when you're overly horny, but then its okay when its "wholesome."" It reeks of projection, like they must fucking hate that their expressions of lust are seen as annoying while his aren't. Real petty asshole behavior
it's really funny how jocat is just a completely sincere and solid dude and any time he opens his mouth to express any kind of attraction to women the world's most tedious people rush to paint him as the next Hitler
Wholesome vibes aside, the mental image of this character dating 12 different girls in a short time (or at the same time?) is filling me with dread. Like what is the lore? Is he the catboy Jerry Seinfeld or something?
I refer you to the popular manga and anime “The 100 Girlfriends Who Really, Really, Really, Really, Really Love You”. I believe the situation would be similar.
If JoCat were with 12 girls, he would end up being their boytoy that gets passed around. I saw this because he's literally drawn that scenario in his nsfw art before. If you want to find it, that's up to you.
It makes me so sad that JoCat is just kind of a punching bag for dumb assholes on the internet. He’s just so sweet! Why would anybody want to be so mean to someone who’s so nice? It’s fucked up
To simplify the point: most men are insecure about their sexual expression and conception of women as a category. Jocat is able to show that you can both idolize women and still show them respect and care and it makes men feel inferior because theyre often not doing that. If you wanna argue im not gonna read it.
Another detail to the weird JoCat hate is that a good bit of it likely was initially motivated by transphobia. He's cis, but is very open about supporting trans people and has raised a lot of money for trans charities with some of his streams. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a lot of people disliked him just for that but knew they'd(rightfully) get absolutely cooked if they openly said as much so they found something just kinda' vaguely cringe he did once and rallied behind that as an excuse to fuck with the guy. No I have no proof of any of this and it is pure speculation
who the fuck is pissvortex
first cousins with pee pee tornado
He was a famous tumblr blogger
famous tumblr and twitter leftposter asshole
Funny name
Pre-porn ban tumblr funnyman washed up on the shores of Twitter
i feel like they just find him cringe but they made up an intellectual reason for it so they dont have to admit to just being a bully lmao
This is genuinely 99% of twitter discourse, a lot of (especially left leaning) people on twitter get made uncomfortable or cringe at something mostly harmless and then they work backwards to explain why "No actually, this thing is morally evil, actually"
Its exhausting to see people who are (probably) on my side argue that being sex positive is bad, actually because a guy made a comic they dont like
The older I get the more accurate this feels. I no longer have the time or energy to see every legitimate show of interest in something as cringe. It's exhausting and unproductive, we should just be happy people are enjoying things as long as they aren't harming others which is exactly what this post seems to be.
FACTS
@sipcee as a left-winger I absolutely despise these toxic people and call them wokescolds, I do not claim them at all.
I have dealt with some in real life aswell and they are usually abusive and just awful to be around, one actually called me a colonizer for saying the word "bruh".
Aesthetic-centered morality and it's consequences...
I'm so tired of this conception people have online that something must be EITHER horny or wholesome, and the two aren't capable of co-existing in the same space. It gives me the impression that a lot of people feel subconsciously ashamed of their sexuality.
Or ashamed of their sincerity, one of those
@@LimeyLassenBoth, probably.
Well of course they do
Wow, this thought has never dawned on me, that some people view it as a dichotomy. Not sure why. I guess because I’ve never seen it as a dichotomy, and in fact, think they should mix more often than they do.
I think it might also be a thing for people who got targeted with sexual violence. Being overvigilant and having a negative association with sex which can lead to this mindset. And like it's understandable but also arguing on twitter is not the way to work through stuff like that.
jocat literally subverting the premise of an objectifying post and they call it objectification why can't this little gay cishet man catch a break
God forbid a man do anything RIGHT for a change. JoCat is the purest of us all.
Never personify women online, worst mistake of his life
He brought this on himself. No one told him to have ravenous wolves for fans. Anyone with discerning eyes know that the LGBT community are Chaotic Evil and live to tear down an ally the moment they disagree on something.
uhhhh.... gay and then cishet??? do you know what the het in cishet means???
@@2ktwothousand yes I know what I typed
The point of Jocat's post wasn't even "all women are smashable", it was "all women are deserving to be loved, in ways that are important to them as people, no matter their physical appearance".
The point was take the overbearing objectification and horny-ness out of it. He fucking said "stop asking".
Exactly. They are blaming him for the exact opposite of what he did.
Original post: literally objectifies being female
JoCat: personifies them
Twitter users: JoCat is clearly the problematic one here
That said, it's also admitting that, like, finding people hot isn't just about their bodies, or sometimes isn't about their bodies at all, but about *them as people.* It's a fun, goofy little exercise in how fantasy doesn't have to flatten its subject. And good for him.
@QuixoteBadger
A wise man once said “You are fighting the ghost of words you put in my mouth”
@@shroomer8294I will say
The tweet he’s replaying to is actually a reply to a whole other artist who they themselves drew that as basically a poll for their audience to vote on which character would be drawn next for a sort of event they were doing, so the criticism about the art in of itself wasn’t even being sexual, it got hijacked by a numbskull who was
I've NEVER in my life laughed at anything harder than you saying "Being gay about pussy". Not only was it an enlightening statement, but it was also beautifully and briefly put. This is why I internet-parasocially love you in whatever way that makes sense
It would be funny if it wasn't literally what got JoCat harassed (mostly) off the Internet. For liking girls but in a "gay" way on his "I like girls" parody video.
@@NecrapocalypseI have no clue exactly who the audience was for burning Jo at the stake, but the fact he got sent [a potential exploding thing] feels like enough of a hint that it’s the alt-right
the t3rfs were also attacking jo as well
@@lancesmith8298 A lotta Vtuber fans (and weebs and general for that matter) do tend to be of that alignment, to be frank.
@@ThatWolfArrow Yeah. Yeah. I watched that Moon Channel video too, and against that guy’s wishes, I feel zero shame in swearing off state media no matter how popular it is. Granted in my case it’s like being told how a meat packing plant works after having eaten nothing but potatoes and precisely one chicken nugget, but my ongoing boycott still stands.
>Jesse what are you talking about
Long video about the truly old history of imperial Japan, things they learned from colonial powers, and how that eventually lead to the state funding of every flavor of cultural export to clean up their image.
I've been a fan of JoCat for a few years now, and it's been wild seeing this man who has done no wrong get so much hate for basically being the only cishet guy to fit the label of lesbian
for a bit there i shared the lesbian cishet guy burden but now i'm just a gay girl
@@plebkeilogood job
@@plebkeiloyo same
Gay for pussy
What about a enby lesbian? is that a thing because that feels like me sometimes lol.
Something deeply wrong and gross about the idea that being horny is wrong and vile, and that expressing your sexuality through genuinely fun looking date ideas is somehow a dishonest expression of horniness. To create that art, personality had to be poured into characters who were presented in looks only.
Not being on twitter the past year has been a blessing.
Meanwhile, on the opposite end of the curve, every person on Reddit I have ever seen talk about a character in a pseudo-sexual way (“I want to sniff her hair” and other deliberately mild statements) has always turned out to be some flavor of creep, alt-right, or both.
Pretty much the only way to tell if somebody on the internet is normal about sex is if they are blunt about it
It's not just Twitter, I see it as the logical end point of societies making sexual themes look icky and perpetuating a cycles we have yet to break
@@falcongamer58 puritans definitely exist off of twitter, my point about leaving twitter moreso pertains to the fact that the algorithm and dunk culture on that website forced me to see them
@@KochDerDamonen yea engagement is easily earned with controversy
The OP stressing that the biggest issue is that its "annoying" like ok, then do what everyone else does when they see someone being annoying online and scroll past it.
The talk about JoCat being "deceptive" is just justifying what OP actually wants to do which is dunk on the annoying guy. JoCat having a large following also makes it easy because it doesn't feel like just shitting on some guy for being horny online; but that's all it is.
And from what I've personally seen, most people don't even agree with what OP was saying, even those who seemingly hate JoCat make up their own reasons. I legit had to pressure a guy to tell me his real reason after claiming he hates JoCat because he's a pedo or something stupid.
They make up their own reasons because its easier to find a crack in the wall that way and have everyone divert to claim that was their reason all along even if that reason is as fake as the rest.
For whatever reason in our twisted society being annoying is the biggest sin possible and people can't just ignore annoying people.
the OP is one of the old popular tumblr users who got famous doing this exact thing there. basically any popular internet user they found cringe, they couldn't just call them cringe, they had to invent some reason to hate them that sounded social justicey. that way it's not only more sensational, but if someone disagrees with them they can be like, "so you love bigots??" and never have to take criticism themselves. drama bloggers posing as activists.
@@weaseljay469
Tumblr truly pioneered this form of discourse, huh?
@@Sulferlines it's easier to find a crack in the wall when you put the crack there yourself
anyone who takes offense at jocat's drawings has clearly lost their mind. relationships in general have a balance of both "wholesome" fun bonding and sex! someone who is attracted to those characters and therefore is interested in depicting a relationship with them would obviously want to depict exactly this combination of things! this is what dating a girl is like! go into the real world! good lord.
"Sex" and "wholesome" also shouldnt be mutually exclusive, i think separating these two is just a net negative culturally
This sentiment but like 100-fold. Too many straight people are absolutely NOT okay about dating and even worse about anything sexual. Sex should flow naturally from the good vibes between you and can totally be wholesome or silly or whatever. No matter what activity you're doing, casting aside whatever preconceived societal bullshit you hold about it in your head will make it 2x more fun and open your eyes to what it *can be* rather than what you think it *should be*. I don't even understand what this tweeter thinks that sex is
The same people must be told that the furry fandom is absolutely not sexual or else they'll believe that the furry fandom is only about sex, because their mind cannot comprehend someone going to a mosh on Monday and then fursuiting for orphans on Tuesday.
This is because our society demonizes sex as something forbidden, despite also cultuating it. Sex is supposed to be a wholesome bonding activity between people who love eachother.
Denying this aspect of life and treating it as something inherently impure instead of treating it as something serious and more close leaves us at current society; radicalized puritans and porn addicts.
@@sipcee EXACTLY MY POINT! People make this unfair distinction because they view the sexual act as impure, yet they still go back to it.
Why can't we just" find the middle path" as a Buddhist would say? Sex should be treated as a bond made manifest, a union between two lovers, a moment of truth and respite despite the impurity of the world. The sexual act itself is pure, but our society radicalizes it unfairly.
you can do it patricia. you can delete the bird app
eerrmmm its the letter app 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
@@dustycrustyhomelessman1648The complete way is "letter-formerly-bird" app, so both versions are right.
what if twitter was an accurate ame and it was just bird thatd be so awsome
@@heather2503
Nah that won't catch on... :)
I'm pretty sure this isn't Patricia Taxxon. Not 100% sure, but the voice doesn't match from vague memory.
I feel like certain people find gnc cishet men threatening because they got sold the idea that gnc men are either gay or just pretending in order to prey upon women.
And they carry this idea into contexts where the man in question isn't even pretending he's gay without realising it.
yeah this p much
Yeah, I feel like a lot of homophobia and especially transphobia can be described this way. Any men not acting "the way they should" is a sign of deception; after all, if ANY man was allowed into women's spaces they would immediately sexually harass the women. The ironic thing is, more often than not, hearing this come from people that'll call women derogatory terms the moment they're inconvenienced.
What's gnc?
@@no64256 gender non-conforming
It hurts my transfemme soul that a non-zero amount of why I feel the need to medically transition is the equally non-zero amount of dudes who have used our labels to get laid. I am at peace with my flaws, and I’m not terribly dysphoric all the time, but the gnawing dread of the Nice Guys of old haunts me.
Guy with twitter thinking cap: “This fucking sucks actually”
**Literally the cutest, most sweetest thing ever**
Cute agression?
@@b-doi1211 That's not really what that means. When feeling cute aggression, you're not in denial that something is cute or actively berating the cute thing. It's more that you see something that is so cute you want to crush it into a tiny ball and throw it against the wall (etc.)
@@MazTheMeh16 Like when you want to cuddle it more aggressively (obviously some restraint... that cute 500g kitten can't handle all your muscle)
@@b-doi1211 yes exactly
Theres this kinda anti-porn undercurrent to a few tumblr celebs, especially anti "weird" porn. Megapope getting nuked right after publicly shitting themself over the word mousegirl for example. On tumblr a lot of turbofascists are open hentai posters, bidoof's law and all that, but its weird to assume that any guy with an interest in hentai is incapable of forming genuine emotional connection with that passion. Microcelebs of their ilk tend to just throw punches to get fans who think they're cool for dunking, I don't think they care about being discerning.
I'm honestly still surprised that Tumblr didn't go the way of the dodo after pornography was banned.
@@starmantheta2028It seemed like it would, but it actually stabilized pretty well after a bit. It's actually the most bearable social media site now. The issue is that the porn ban has doomed the internet. The olden days of Tumblr had all of the crazies locked deep within Tumblr. The porn ban opened the gates of hell that unleashed these people onto platforms that projected thier opinions.
@@starmantheta2028 the ban was exclusively on images so the site's pre-existing fanfiction base picks up the porn slack. It's unfortunately still my favorite social media platform because of the cataloguing you can do with tags and the customization.
@@starmantheta2028oh, it still exists there. also, it kinda has to do with the fact that tumblr is the only semi-good social media platform that exists anymore. sure, there's a lot of the anti-kink people on there but its far less than what you'd see on places like twitter and the facebook one, or on most other twitter replacements
@@tsrenis I see. I don't have Twitter Facebook, Tumblr, and the like. I've just heard more than a few horror stories about Tumblr both online and from people who have experienced its wrath, which is why I'm surprised. Still wish they didn't ban porn, though
this be a classic Tumblr type beat. people finding someone or something personally annoying and instead of just admitting that well... they have to make up a Philosophical reason why their dislike is Justified.
Man, I love the fact that Tumblr “funny”men are without fail trying to do a Trevor Noah. You are allowed to be funny without having a point. You are allowed to not like something, voice that discomfort, and move on
The thing about those pics is that it shows someone who likes women. There's that whole thing about heterosexual men who are sexually attracted to women but don't much care for or respect them. JoCat's depictions of himself liking women, and their interests, and the things they do, and wanting to be involved in their lives is honestly refreshing. And if that's upsetting, just... Scroll past. Also Twitter is an absolute ragebait machine and thrives off negative engagement so I expect that post to only ever be shown the people who will loudly and vulgarly yell at it.
THE DISCOURSE WAS TRIGGERED BY PISSVORTEX!????
geometry dash extreme challenge ass name
I’m just gonna say it: Tumblr funnymen don’t exist. It’s only a Tumblr funnyman if they are funny and don’t let it go to their head, otherwise it’s sparkling jackass
this reminds me of how people called travis mcelroy annoying for years but couldnt find a good reason to write callout posts and get him shamed off their feed until he had a personality disorder moment during an among us game
hard agree. too many people decide that they just don't like Some Internet Dude and take the first chance they can to make their mild annoyance into some kind of great grand moral failure of someone who is essentially just... a guy. who isn't perfect but isn't even really bad
I've had a pet theory for a while that this is gonna happen to brennan lee mulligan sometime in the next few years. they have the same kind of cringe-charisma I think - the traits that make them appealing and fun to watch are the same traits that make them kind of annoying and overbearing sometimes. tryhard energy. I find that kind of vibe comforting, it's a "see, it's okay to be a bit cringe sometimes, 'cringe' can be fun and likeable," but I know not to be too reassured by it anymore.
@@joeytwoeyes Someone’s going to try and turn Brennan’s conquistador exercise from the bingo episode of Game Changer into a cancleable offence, mark my words
Really? I thought the culprit for making so much nothing out of his drama that Zoe Bee covered it was his slightly bad D&D campaign, where the only good coverage I saw of it basically said “how dare my parasocial relationship with four mildly rich strangers not be good enough”
@@lancesmith8298 The dnd campaign was kinda the catalyst for it, iirc. It gave people something to latch onto and hate about him besides just vibes, and it put his personality and ideas front and centre.
being unapologetically cringe on the internet sometimes seems like a bigger social death than being an actual child predator and it's very disheartening.
i have twitter but it's all porn and i unfollow anyone who posts drama
my sexy echo chamber
I don't even use my timeline, I just go straight to the artists I wanna keep up with. Also, I have a freind who has like the most perfectly filtered meme timeline.
your sexo chamber
It is still, sadly, besides maybe NewGrounds and like booru sites, the best site for porn artists.
The Jerking Chamber
@@MythicMachina I wish twitter would let me separate the accounts that I want to see everything from and the accounts that repost a ton 😔 but now that musky boy owns it I think literally any quality of life update is off the table
This whole thing makes a lot more sense when you realise that liking women is not a necessary or even desired component of traditional male heterosexuality.
Yup, basically they don't like that a hetero feminist ally isn't masculine enough for them. Calling out the hate he gets as queerphobic is probably the only way to get people to leave him alone since sense is no longer common and people only seem to respond to social threats these days sadly
1:25 a truer statement has never been uttered
JoCat is the straightest man. JoCat is the greatest man.
He was too good for us, and we drove him away.
I find it heartwarming that despite all the abuse and harassment he gets, he's still an outspoken LGBT ally that donates to Trans charities.
A lesser man would use it as an excuse to become a far right weirdo.
Well, usually in those situations it’s not an excuse it’s just they’re pushed in that direction.
But yes, it definitely says a lot about his resolve that he’s still able to do this despite everything
@@ghostshrimp5006I'd call that an excuse. If you ever believed the opposite of right wing views it probably would take more to completely flip on it than "peoples are assholes to me." The kind of person who goes into right wing grifts doesn't hold the morals they're preaching or never really believed in the ones they claimed to initially follow
@@xemiii it’s not just people being assholes, it’s people being assholes 24 seven, harassing not only you, but your family and friends, Constantly sending death threats, Constant anxiety of being sent a pipe bomb in the mail, being stalked IRL by the terminally online.
All of this is because they don’t agree with your views, It causes people to shift the side that seems more welcoming, It’s not an immediate shift, it happens gradually day by day.
I’ve seen this happen multiple times, it happens with people with either mild opinions or people that just want to try and help, they get massive backlash, and then radicalize to the right wing.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend taken to its logical conclusion
@@ghostshrimp5006 But even in that case, its still an excuse. Someone with actual foundational moral standings, IE someone who wholeheartedly believes in the things they preach, cant so easily be persuaded to radically change for having threats cast at you. Otherwise the queer community would be riddled if not entirely comprised of far right extremists by now. Frankly, same for any other minority- most if not all minorities experience violent hatred, often times loosely or directly tied to threats of violence, doxing, bombings, ect.
Point being, If it wasn't an excuse to radically change, then they wouldn't have changed at all. if they really in their heart of hearts believed that queer folks should have freedoms and liberties the same as anyone else, getting push back from some queer people wouldnt shake them of it. and even if im wrong in this? I'd argue its worse, because how can someone transition from a position of queer allyship to advocating for the removal of queer people from society, just with the 'pushing' by a hand full of people, not be considered just- evil? Personally, as a queer person, I dont trust their original advocacy anymore what so ever. If it was that easy to persuade them to move alt right, I cant trust that they ever truly advocated for my rights.
Funny thing is, the far-right weirdos dug up that video of his, to bait "the left" into cancelling him, in order to "teach him a lesson" for standing with trans people in the Hogwarts Legacy debate.
lol, isnt pissvortex the same guy who sided with megapope when megapope on tumblr posted a similar type of screed against a trans woman furry posting (making a joke about a mousegirl bartender and calling her out for Being secretly really horny about it for calling her a mousegirl and not just a mouse) that was like the same shit as this but even worse somehow
theres lore????
i remember that image holy shit. also i agree. it's a creative and fun spin on that image, being friends with all these people equally rather than having to pick one as a "type" is a lot more wholesome and cute.
It's an expansion on the personalities that these people have rather than just focusing on their bodies. It just makes sense to me that this would be a way to "solve the riddle" in a sense.
The hate isn't justified.
By the way, Twitter will do you no good, the same happened to me with Instagram and i had to break it off entirely.
C’mon how can there be a whole sect of Twitter dedicating a part of their limited emotional capacity to hating this.
This isn’t the worst , it’s twitter they celebrate when people do themselves in from their bullying (they did it to an Olympic athlete)
They gotta numb the pain of being a value add for Elon Musk's big money hole somehow
JoCat is the weirdest person to have controversy surrounding him, he's so sweet.
That just means that being needlessly cruel to him is a better way to show you really mean it when you cry out against [effeminate men/cringey catboy wannabes/predatory cishet dudes trying to act like they care about you as a person/these fuckin weirdos/the plague of weak men eroding greco-roman-derived western civilization].
Its not weird at all for sweet people to be controversial. Mr. Rogers was controversial in his time for allowing a black man on his show right after segregation was ended legally.
Sweet people care about their fellow human beings, often including the people that society considers lesser, jocats controversiality started after his trans charity livestream
fair point, unfortunately
I, for one, would fight God and Satan for Jocat.
@@ladygeneveve3805Oh this point absolutely, because sweetness is always what society generally agrees with, even if they are truly good they'd have to also go against what society believes is bad, not what actually is bad.
Society will make it look like it is because they don't agree, the worst is the fact that simply disagreements leads to such Harrasment Not that person is actually a bastard.
They ingore the humanity because it's easier to harras a subhuman.
if i had a dollar for every time people got weirdly angry about jocat expressing his love for women i would have 2 dollars which is frankly way too many times. maybe its because of The Tism but i just... don't get why he gets the vitriol that he does whenever he does this. ooo, he did an animated music video with *girls he likes*!! and now he's done a silly joke drawing that's pretty cute!
this kind of weird hate that happens is the kind of shit that makes people hide their emotions online, i have been afraid to express my kind of love and desire of weird and nontraditional things in the past because of these events. i feel like it's an extension of the whole "cringe" thing. people who want to be genuine, who want to do the things they want to do, decide to hide away out of fear of being ridiculed by the bullshit culture that has grown up around making fun of people. they never get to express themselves or find a community.
i don''t know. i have been without sleep for nearly 24 hours and this video got me thinking about things.
it's been more than 2 times, honestly. 'i like girls' got at least 3 distinct waves of hate
I wonder if its autism too. Sure, sometimes I don't read people right and that causes problems, but I also notice how "neurotypical" people will have all these odd reactions to things that I don't understand. Maybe it's just a side effect of being more socially inclined? That while they're better able to navigate social interactions they are also simultaniously more endagnered by partaking in taboos (even benign ones)? I'm not neurotypical so idk, just thinking out loud
Like, there’s a part of me that comprehends that objectification is bad and that the video was silly, but not the raw hatred that came back at him.
I think he's getting hit from 2 directions. On one hand, there are dude bros who feel that treating women as people is a threat to masculinity. They see such actions as a sign of weakness and attack. Coming from the other side, you have sex negative feminists who think that attraction and objectification are fundamentally the same thing and, well, they're definitely against objectification.
That’s what I’m wondering like am I just stupid or can people not fathom a man appreciating women without objectifying them? Really the only reason any of these panel’s are seen as sexual is because of the characters chest size which isn’t ok. Big chests aren’t inherently sexual.
I know everyone already said this, but it’s so comically obvious that people just hate JoCat because they don't want to accept the idea that a man can like a woman without being overly dominating about it but he hasn't done anything wrong so they continuously grasp at straws for justifiable reasons to harass him and his family, it’s such a pathetic thing to pose as a hero while harassing and bullying an innocent man cause he doesn't conform to your views on masculinity, it’s cowardice to hide behind “being righteous” as a reason to bully a guy for not viewing women as sexual objects.
i could not articulate why pissvortex's thread pissed me off so much beyond thinking to myself, "what is it like to be so cynical and full of suspicion for the most mundane things that you have to, like, intellectualize the fact that you think this dude is cringe?"
just say you think he's cringe, man, it's not that fuckin deep. it's the god damn soft boy discourse from like 5 years ago all over again. god damn it
there is a bafflingly large number of people who are absolutely terrified by the thought that somewhere in the world there is someone who is genuinely enjoying sex, and they always have a way of justifying this fear with whatever ideology they happen to subscribe to
"Ayo" and "pause" had horrible consequences on humanity
Fascism is just male sexual insecurity, that’s the source.
i really like JoCat, his art is nice and so many people have said he's a nice man
You know, I thought the "I like girls" video was really cringe, so I clicked off it. That was it. I didn't need to invent a narrative in my head where JoCat was a predator or only saw women for their bodies or felt the need to harrass him off the Internet. I just moved on with my life and never thought about him until he started getting attacked on Twitter.
JoCat is probably a perfectly likeable, normal, and well-adjusted person with healthy views about women. I still don't like him. That's fine. You can like someone who hasn't done anything wrong, but people invent reasons that it's "okay" to slander and attack him and hurt him without worrying about being a bully.
Ok yeah this^ Dimplomacy isn't valued as much.
This is a perfectly normal and valid viewpoint on someone you don't really care for.
It's actually astonishing how rare things like this are to see these days.
Yeah, cause heaven forbid people just disagree/dislike and move on with their lives on the easiest platform to do so.
These people are just looking for reasons to spread hate at this point
Mario has learned his lesson
but Captain D has not
He is at peace.
they freed my boy
He reached the other side.
One must imagine Mario happy.
People are just looking for reasons to re-enact and re-invent school playground rules. They wanna call him the f slur, they just can't find a way to couch it in a cohesive, intelectual argument
i would rather men be like jocat (in this highly specific way) than like most men currently are
what do you mean by that lol
@@GrouseMan14 what is there to mean
sounds like you spend too much time seeing the negative part of the world on twitter, sitting on a strangely square-like chair while sipping some diet pepsi wondering when the next album from your favorite musician will come out
@@TillyCorbin weirdly specific but okay
Honestly? Most MEN would or should probably prefer to be more like JoCat than they currently are.
I am a cishet man, and I wish I were more like JoCat.
If those interactions are considered sexual, there is no hope for normal friendship anymore. Do people really think that going to an amusement park or hanging out at a house playing handheld video game is sexual in any way? This is why we are the loneliest generation.
I've seen a worrying number of people irl that consider that "coming onto" people and flirting.
"famed straight man Jocat" is the best description of him ive ever heard
Many people from the bird app have not been in a healthy relationship, and it shows
Choosing between wholesome and attraction should not be a constant compromise for adult partners
When you worry and work to be "one of the good ones" you'll just wind up exhausted after doing your oppressor's work for them. Then they'll steamroll you anyway. Matt Bernstein's vid on annoying gays galvanized me in this fight. None of us are free until we're all free
In a healthy relationship it's not even a choice. A healthy sex life cannot function without patience, respect, and good communication. They're not opposing forces, they're symbiotic (or at least, they should be).
Jocat just proves that the best way to piss off people is to just be yourself and support those who society has looked down upon. Nothing will drive evil people crazier than showing gentle kindness to those that society have deemed "unworthy". Despite everything that's happened to him, JoCat's just a nice person and we really need that nowadays.
“Some believe that it is only great power that can keep evil in check, but that is not what I have found. It is the small everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts of kindness and love.” - Gandalf
If i had a nickel for every time i've heard a person say jocat is "gay for women" i'd have two nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird it happened twice
I would have a fuckton of nickels. People cannot stop saying it in my particular internet echo chamber.
While I get the point of saying it, I also hate it, because it only furthers the stereotype that actually appreciating your partner(s)/people you’re attracted to is a homosexual trait, and not just the bare minimum
It's so weird how, like, a lot of fellow queers seem to turn so harshly on cishet guys when they act genuinely sweet about their sexuality.
Like, I know it's honestly pretty reductive, but our friend group tends to jokingly refer to wholesome and healthy examples of straight relationships as "the gayest straight relationship ever."
Toxic and abusive dynamics are sadly very heavily normalized in ""straight culture"" (not to say that they can't and don't also exist in queer relationships) and so it feels like we should be celebrating people who buck from that. We shouldn't be mocking them, and we certainly shouldn't be attributing malice to positive behavior.
tl;dr, wifeguy behavior is sweet and should honestly be encouraged.
-Korb
why are people so fucking angry about things they think are "corny" like why is that a reason to pile on someone online. what's the deal.
If you don't totally respect those very rigid social norms (and let's face it, who does?), you can become those norms' strongest defender.
I've heard a formerly fat person just repeats fat phobic rhetoric. I've been very angry at people who didn't hide the autism as well as me (which wasn't well tbh) in the past.
That may be a part of it. You learned being corny is shameful, so you shame everyone for it.
People who grew up in the 2010s grew up to hate sincerity and mask it with several layers of irony.
Thus when these people come across someone who is genuine about their feelings for something, the socially acceptable norm is to rationalize your hate for it and dog on them.
What is "corny"? (I don't know much about English)
@@JorgePerez-bi2kv as best as i can tell people usually use it to mean something that tries to be funny but they instead think is cringe
@@confusingdalek709 thank you
People need to give my man the peace he FUCKING deserves
THANK YOU for talking about this weird "wholesome and sexy are separate things completely" mindset, I've seen it a lot in leftist spaces too and it's so tiring. Like, just say you think sex is inherently sinful and evil and move on.
I'm a diehard communist, but my girlfriend and I always act both wholesome and unabashedly horny in equal measure. Sometimes, being wholesome is sexy, and other times, being sexy is wholesome.
So he clothed them, had some fun premises with various date ideas and treated them respectfully as individuals who all deserved to be loved and cherished, WHAT A MONSTER!!!
seriously though this is your sign, delete Twitter, take a shower and go for a walk
how dare he objectify women by... not objectifying women
if mario's sentence got reduced, we should probably let cap out of the centrifuge too
Bad and naughty wash-ups are put into the corner dryer for their sins
jocat experiencing levels of harassment previously only seen in replies to trans women's innocuous posts abt liking women.
It's the exact same harassment, I feel... I don't think it's a coincidence that it started during his trans rights charity campaign & right after his stream where he finally showed off his dress and sword collection. Dude showed support for trans folks and a little bit of his own effeminacy and now he's getting hit with the same bullshit that we get hit with
Objectify (verb): when you treat women as human beings and spend time with them as equals and have a great time, but you also, presumably, find them attractive.
In a weird way too, jocat is a victim of psychological patriarchy where people’s idea of manhood conflicts with his presentation of manhood. Because he breaks masculine presentation stereotypes it makes people uncomfortable because they’re used to gender norms.
Seeing the kind of shit folks harass you over on tumblr makes me wonder what the fuck twitter would be like
Imagine Tumblr, but with the entire political spectrum, and slowly drifting to the far-right
@@seizoen genuinely terrifying
hi I was on twitter in 2020-22. it was like tumblr is now but worse.
I was socially obligated to justify a trans woman stating a dubious opinion after receiving her sixth targeted harassment campaign, went on the same exact rant every two months, and got into an argument over whether headcanons about fictional characters are morally acceptable.
blocking people was seen as taboo, and there was this weird undercurrent of "curating your social media experience is wrong".
two people I followed were run off the site for dubious art-related reasons.
a project I was in imploded due to a fight over whether or not you can hate the english as an irish trans woman.
as someone that was on it until... March, or so, of this year; it's so much worse than we could have known it would get. it's gone full pay-to-win PvP mode with a main dish of outright (and borderline encouraged) fascism. and cis is a slur over there, so. you... you know. it's bad.
@@boorango122 Man, you walk in some strange circles.
Yeah... seeing the hate Jocat gets always makes me wonder how much of it is right-wing tools astroturfing, how much is leftist infighting, and how much is centrist "well this is weird and I don't understand it" knee-jerk rejection.
The secret is, they're all the same thing, it's just which one do they want to believe it is?
all the leftists I know think the way he's being treated is shameful. maybe tankies are shitting on him but tankies siding with right wing tools on a social issue is nothing new
@@redactedoktor I feel like some of those would be diametrically opposed though.
@@leviadragon99 Aesthetically yes, but it all ultimately comes back into each other. The term leftist specifically has been very diluted online as a substitute for SJW that we forget about all the "leftists" who don't agree on economic, social, or philosophical issues at all, but are put in the leftist category anyway purely on vibes, like _Social Democrats..._
A lot of infighting comes from just completely misunderstanding or disagreeing on what leftism even is and the social angle is such a tangled mess for anyone to follow, people easily get swept up into disguising their base knee jerk instincts in leftist language because they unsurprisingly haven't done the full deconstruction and critique of their own beliefs and even sense of self, making them truly no better than any fascist, liberal, or _social democrat..._
Centrism and right-wingism's have always been far more interconnected than centrism is with anything leftist but ultimately view both sides the same for being genuine historical movements wanting to genuinely move history. True Leftists will always be Leftists, even if flawed, no matter the position in history and time, but given their way a Fascist will comfortably become a Centrist and a Centrist similarly is susceptible to falling into Fascism if it can combat the more radical changes.
It all comes from the same psycho-political forces that are embedded within the cultural subconscious and work in ways to undermine understanding and combat historical movements from the inside of our very minds.
It's called The Reactionary.
@@redactedoktor Unironic use of "SJW" 2013 called, it wants its buzzwords back.
You are just a profoundly unserious person with no political literacy huh?
I can't wait for the feature creep of the sensory items on the top left corner. Will it ever stop? Can we have a whole frame of mesmerizing spinning objects?
This whole JoCat situation feels like one of those moments.
You know, one of those moments where one scumbag is revealed to be a scumbag, but someone says a single bad word and everyone hyperfixates on that guy instead. Except, the internet skipped that first part and just went straight to hating some guy.
JoCat is the straightest man alive
Jocat: actually likes women and doesn't view them as objects
The internet: 😮
i genuinely wonder how pissvortex and some of these other Weird Twitter personalities don't spend every second of their lives in abject misery. everyone is a cliquey bully over there now, and it doesn't even seem like they're having fun doing it.
More than willing to bet they do live in misery. Most likely heavily depressed or angry about things outside of their control.
But rather than dwell on it and maybe try to come to terms with their complex feelings, they'd much rather mask it with several layers of cynicism and bully others who are able to be sincere about their feelings, simply because that's easier for them.
I love how people just can’t comprehend how a guy can love girls just as a whole.
Not just for sex, but to genuinely love them like a gay man would his husband or a lesbian would her wife.
Because heterosexuality is so constantly defined by exploitation of women by men and how unsafe both parties feel in the relationship. Men are often closed off and not comfortable being emotionally available for fear of it being used to emotionally abuse them, which happens constantly, women are always physically more vulnerable in a heterosexual relationship and it colors what they do, especially nowadays when stories of sexual and domestic violence are more pushed in women’s faces than ever. Regardless of the stats it takes a toll to constantly see it happening.
So to see a guy that genuinely just loves women because they’re women it’s hard for a lot of people to look at comfortably because it’s not what they expect and it’s weird.
So ya, it’s just queer phobia but targeting the straight man that acts “gay”.
You could argue jocat is a victum of patriarchy, as he’s challenging traditional masculinity and being bashed for it
i completely agree and this is a good video but oh my god is mario dead?
Mario has completed his mission. He overcame the fire bar. He reached the top of the hill and now walks free.
Or he is rattling around at Mach 15 in Rambley’s brain/CPU/memory bank thing.
Like, im not even on the side of "jocat is a wholesome smol bean uwu" but to see the pic he made and the video he made and to say hes "misogynistic" or "pedophilic" is fucking NUTS.
once again it is proven that the worst crime you can commit on the internet is being cringe
The internet is where you put on the mask of anonymity, to bring sincerity to such a place is a geave sin to be punished.
I vote we let the lesbian boi go do his thing
It’s not cringe though it’s cute actually.
In a world poisoned by irony, the greatest crime is sincerity.
Yep.
As the saying goes, I may be cringe, but I am free.
Watching this after crying over something I don’t know (thank you alexithymia) is an interesting experience
The bust sizes aren't THAT similar in the image tbh.
Your point with the video still stands though.
Have a nice day with your steeming toy.
JoCat is the first alloromantic in history
damn.
I never thought of it that way. So true.
Anyway. I love JoCat. Great humor. Great art. Great animations.
Haters gonna hate. I hope they don't chase a good creative guy from the net with their toxicity.
Honestly, those drawings aren't even that sexually charged. There's a little bit of that in some of them, but in the end, they're clearly all focused on spending time with these girls and enjoying their company as the women that they are. Literally cannot fathom the problem here except for twitter brainrot.
The little Rambley dancing in the corner working like a subway surfer splitscreen gameplay on Tiktok
I literally cannot understand what these people mean when they say his post "objectified" the women like i dont think giving the random girls distinct personalities and hobbies is objectifying..? i dont think these people know what the word means
they might not even be "random girls", the original author refers to them as characters vs the quote-tweet's "kind[s of] girl"
As a cishet man and proud chugger of the Respect Women Juice, I've always respected JoCat. It warms my heart to see people steppign up for him.
it's good that i can still experience stupid twitter drama even an entire year after i stopped using it
The fact that anyone could have a problem with JoCat's tweet is so baffling to me? I've never heard of this guy before watching this, to be clear. Like, oh no, a dude...expressed that he is attracted to women? Twitter artist likes drawing pretty girls, fork found in kitchen. I dunno maybe it's also because I'm a selfshipper so I inherently spend a lot of time fantasizing about and drawing myself dating and yes, even fucking, fictional people, so the idea of that behavior being inherently objectifying seems really silly to me. Idk if this is coherent.
The issue is that a lot of the far right extremeist crowd found his stuff and just projected it into orbit. You can't reason with those fucking people.
I'm just glad to see JoCat again.
"pissvortex" can piss off. JoCat deserves peace. Why are people still attacking him for being a genuinely good human being?
I blame Red Scare
don’t know exactly what that means in this context but as a red scare hater i’m glad to blame red scare for anything
@@waitsbian Really what did they do im not familiar with the podcast
The only good use of Twitter is impersonating Eli Lilly.
what about.. bir video
@@heather2503Wuzzat?
@@starmantheta2028 bird video
@@heather2503 What the hell is bird video?
@@starmantheta2028 ideos of bird
"ape attack survivor" they clearly have brain damage from the attack lmao
I miss him and his stupid d&d videos
All of them - Incredibly BASED individual
before i relized im a trans man, growing up being a "girl" who liked other girls, i sometimes felt i was predatory towards the other girls bcus i felt sexual attraction towards women, i think i unlearned it mostly (well i still freeze up everytime someone flirts with me suggestivly bcus im deathly afraid of making anyone feel uncomfortable so i dont know how to respond) as i grew up and saw queer women online being unapologeticly horny about women, and understanding that its fine as long as im a respectful person and value consent. i kinda feel like im back in a weird position again after i realized im a man, i feel like the way jocat expressed attraction in the post was similar to the way i/others expressed it when i was younger. but seeing people react to it like this or saying "sensitive/cute" straight men only acts like that to decive women, idk what to make of myself,
Whenever you put a piece of art into the world, you have no control over what people will read into it. People impose their own meaning on your work, even if that's not what you intended at all.
To me, JoCats work here is saying that all women are beautiful as individuals, regardless of body type and personality, and deserving of love. That his post is a rejection of the objectification o presented in the meme.
To someone else, they may look at this and think he's a pervert who just wants to bang anything that moves, and that he is furthering the objectification.
We are all bringing our own experienced and emotional baggage to any interpretation we make.
Damn. Way to say it how it is. I always feel bad for JoCat; he's basically just getting bullied all the time. Shit's fucked.
We need the world wide day of play but for the internet.
Wow, I've never considered the idea that some hate on effiminate men (or those they percieve as such) as a precautionary measure to weed out "dangerous men." I'm not going to act like its unreasonable for people to be hypervigilant for the sake of keeping women safe, as the world can be quite horrid to any women, but the extremism with which this sort of lense is focused on queer people just comes across as insane paranoia. Yes, I'm thinking of terfs and gender criticals with this. The biggest reason it comes across as unfounded paranoia to me is because the sort of people I see acting this way often defer to people like Graham Lineham, Matt Walsh, or Elon Musk as paragons that are "defending women's rights," despite the fact they all have some glaring behavior that flies in the face of that.
If it isn't obvious about me waxing on about it I find this perspective really interesting and a possibly helpful angle with which to understand why some people persecute others like this.
That and, as I saw some other commenters say, this shit could just be performative and is just being used as an excuse to legitimize the author's petty hate.
Edit: Oh wait its totally the latter the little "why do people find it annoying when you're overly horny, but then its okay when its "wholesome."" It reeks of projection, like they must fucking hate that their expressions of lust are seen as annoying while his aren't. Real petty asshole behavior
it's really funny how jocat is just a completely sincere and solid dude and any time he opens his mouth to express any kind of attraction to women the world's most tedious people rush to paint him as the next Hitler
Wholesome vibes aside, the mental image of this character dating 12 different girls in a short time (or at the same time?) is filling me with dread. Like what is the lore? Is he the catboy Jerry Seinfeld or something?
no Jerry Seinfeld already took that role
alternate timelines perhaps
I refer you to the popular manga and anime “The 100 Girlfriends Who Really, Really, Really, Really, Really Love You”.
I believe the situation would be similar.
Polycule
If JoCat were with 12 girls, he would end up being their boytoy that gets passed around. I saw this because he's literally drawn that scenario in his nsfw art before. If you want to find it, that's up to you.
I didn't know pissvortex was making platforms that aren't tumblr worse too
It makes me so sad that JoCat is just kind of a punching bag for dumb assholes on the internet. He’s just so sweet! Why would anybody want to be so mean to someone who’s so nice? It’s fucked up
JoCat is like, one of the only straight men who seems to actually like women and it's wholesome.
To simplify the point: most men are insecure about their sexual expression and conception of women as a category. Jocat is able to show that you can both idolize women and still show them respect and care and it makes men feel inferior because theyre often not doing that. If you wanna argue im not gonna read it.
"exactly identical busts"
...is
is there a definition for busts I'm not aware of?
JoCat is based as always. the other guy made it weird
I had no clue this was going on, the drawing is so cute!
Another detail to the weird JoCat hate is that a good bit of it likely was initially motivated by transphobia. He's cis, but is very open about supporting trans people and has raised a lot of money for trans charities with some of his streams. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a lot of people disliked him just for that but knew they'd(rightfully) get absolutely cooked if they openly said as much so they found something just kinda' vaguely cringe he did once and rallied behind that as an excuse to fuck with the guy. No I have no proof of any of this and it is pure speculation
nah ive seen a bunch of trans people also shittig on him lol
@@etasjo like, real ones or CIA agents?
@@BlooMonkiMan I'm a real one
This little catboy just likes women and I do not see anything wrong with that
JoCat is my favorite straight guy
Twitter when they see someone happy: