As a competitive player and someone that loves Lance as HGSS was my first game: Leon's team is actually GOOD, the only champion team that is stronger is Cynthia's, good coverage, very strong Pokémon's, good type diversity, his and Cynthia's teams are actually so good that they can be used Copy Paste in a competitive battle and be super strong *Leon's team considerate is If the player chose Scorbunny or Sobble *Cynthia team considerate is BDSP, all of her teams are incredible strong but the rematch team (Spiritomb, Roserade, Togekiss, Lucario, Milotic, Garchomp) is the strongest *Cynthia team is A LOT STRONGER than Leon's
I think that Lance was a good Champion his team in the Original games being lacklustre is mainly due to the Dragon typing rare and their not being a lot of Dragon type Pokemon at the Beginning of the franchise but now with more of them being discovered his teams were slowing getting better and atleast he did a lot at a member of the Pokemon GMen fight Crime and protecting the regions.
I mean it’s Pokémon fault for making a grand total of 4 dragon Pokémon in Gens 1 and 2, and one of them is used by a gym leader and another is the base stage of a 3 stage evolution
True, plus imagine if fairy types existed in the first two generations. Lance would be almost completely walled with a lack of coverage against a Pokrmon like Primarina. If he was champion elsewhere m, he'd have to really rework his team.
@@TheHolySacred-Cow they ruined his team by adding garchomp and salamence. should use only gen 1 and 2 mons gyarados dragonite ampharos tyranitar charizard aerodactyl
I call him the Holy Nightmare for a reason. Took me nearly two weeks to finally defeat him. Even then victory was very narrow. I managed to lay a burn on his Dragonite. He used hyper beam. Somehow, my Typhlosion managed to survive with 1 hp. The burn took effect and I won.
I beat it in 1 try but well khm the secret ash was useless in gen 2 and well I had to Quick save and load sooo its not my fault oh and I was 10 lvls lower
The difference between the other champions is you see his growth over time, when Cynthia just somehow has this amazing powerhouse of a team with no context behind it.
To be fair mystic, Lance does use all dragons. It's just that it's the dragon egg group and an Aerodactyl Edit: Didn't know he had a Kanga, so that's another one for random good picks
@@MentalOutlvl6 Is it the talk to pokemon thing that N and the lady from the Arceus movie can do? If so that holds alot of weight to a theory I've had since mid gen 5
I think in Masters Lance says something about not all dragons being dragon type, so between that and the limitations of living in a region that only had one line of dragon types I guess he had to be more flexible about what he considered a dragon. Regardless of his placing in team composition I personally found him one of the more enjoyable champions in terms of story presence. He felt more like he was actually doing stuff about what was going on without taking away from the player's involvement. There's also that red gyarados encounter.
The Pokemon League Elite Four, Former Champion, Pokemon International Police Officer, Dragon Master, Lance is THE ORIGINAL G.O.A.T. The Games kind of underwhelming.
There's a few things I want to correct you on. 1. You say his team lacks dragons, but if you look at the mon's egg groups, you'd know most are in the dragon egg group. The only non-dragon type or non-dragon egg group mon is his Aerodactyl, but that's explainable. In Gen 1 and 2, there's only 5 dragon egg group mons, those being: - Charizard - Arbok - Seadra - Gyarados - Dragonite Arbok is a mon on Agatha's team, so it's clear why it's not on his team, but now he's left with only 4 mons, so what now? Well, while not a dragon type or in the dragon egg group, Aerodactyl is the closest mon in Gen 1 and even 2 to appear like a dragon. In fact, while its name hints as it being a kind of pterosaur, it kind of more resembles a wyvern, which is a type of dragon. Why they didn't give him this exact team in Gen 1 is beyond me, but he is still a dragon trainer for the most part. Plus in Pokemon Masters, even Lance states when being told Gyarados isn't a dragon that "not all dragons are dragon-type pokemon." 2. Lance wasn't a Champion in the anime, or not in the way you think. Lance in his debut episode was called the Champion of the Elite Four, but I think that is referring to him beig the strongest of the Elite Four. Why? Because the very next episode(along with any other episode he's spoken of or seen in) he was called "Lance of the Elite Four." 3. Lance may likely be above Cynthia in the anime. In fact, it's stated that the Master 8 compete in a tournament out of all of them and it's confirmed Cynthia was in the Master 8 class. 4. You're talking about how strong Lance is, but you didn't bring up some of the insane stuff Lance has done in the manga, like how he blew up a huge section of Vermillion City with a single Hyper Beam from his Dragonair or like how in the HGSS saga he's able to put up a good fight against Palkia. Lance in the manga was overpowered.
This video didn't even bring up how he took down multiple team rocket grunts in the anniversary shorts of Pokemon. In the manga he actually wins a lot, but he only mentioned the times he lost.
Overpowered? I have flat out swept his team in HGSS with just an Ampharos. Ampharos learns Power Gem in those games. With just an electric move + Power Gem, it's enough to sweep his team.
I was able to finish his team with Raichu and Feraligatr. Lead off with a good electric type and you can put in work from there. Use X Attack on Feraligatr and Ice Fang will one shot the Dragonites. Waterfall will deal with Aerodactyl, and Charizard. Had Raichu for backup and to deal with Gyarados. Not too bad if you bring the right Pokémon around level 45 or higher. HGSS is a game I recommend not running a full team of 6 in order to keep your levels up to par due to the lack of xp to go around early on.
For me, a pokemon silver fan, he will always be the most iconic champion. If you really want to counter his entire team with just one pokemon, bring lanturn. I had one with surf, waterfall, discharge and blizzard (which later on I switched to hydro pump, thunderbolt and ice beam right before the rematch after kanto) and it has super effective moves against any of his mons, while tanking most of them if not all of them effectively. also, the battle theme is damn legendary
In the anime? Hes an elite four member in kanto and champion of johto. Im pretty sure he hasnt lost or stepped down. Lance cynthia or steven losing in the anime to me at least would seem like something mentionable. Note the badly written leon fight...
Also have to take into consideration that Dragons tend to be harder to raise. Plus in the anime Pokémon can still resist types they are weak too for example his dragonite taking an ice beam may not cause as much damage as it would in a game cuz he trained them well or something so him having a team that has high weakness to rock and ice doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad when it comes to the anime. I mean we seen pikachu defeat ground types with electric moves and even beat abilities that would render electric moves useless with his pikachu. In the games sure you can easily set up a team that would destroy him but anime logic doesn’t follow game logic and being that he raised Pokémon in the dragon egg group he would easily be considered one of the strongest trainers in the anime
With enough love and compassion and dedication any Pokémon can be good And an experienced trainer like Lance has the strength and heart to make it happen And clearly it showed since he made it amongst the top trainers The way you are judging his team is a bit apathetic and shallow And not open minded and optimistic like it should be imo
he only based on game not on the Anime. Did you saw How Leon's Charizard struggle to Fight Gyarados of lance. Leon was Forced to Evolved his Charizard because he couldn't Bear Lance's Gyarados
We would love to see How Strong Is Red and How Strong Is Blue. Red and Blue are both legendary trainers in the Pokemon games, Please do that next time Mystic 😊🙏.
Maybe it is a weird question but I have always wondered which of the evil organizations in pokemon that was actually the strongest in archiving their goals and power and influence in the world. That could be cool seeing in a video
Nah Cynthia's team is more diverse making her tougher to deal with since you need multiple type coverage.Also if you don't have ice types you can deal with him using rock types since his entire team in heartgold soulsilver is weak to rock.And gyarados is a threat to rock types but gyarados dies to one electric type move
@@phenom3918 yeah but what rock types are there in HGSS? Tyranitar isn’t available until post game. Cynthia is overrated imo. Her only really tough Pokémon is spiritomb. If you have a balanced team Cynthia is easier to deal with. Lance’s dragonites are very overleveled compared to other games so even if you had ancient power they won’t go down. You need ice beam. If you don’t have that he’s a nightmare to deal with.
I’m new to this channel, it came up on my feed. I’m only 6:04 in, I there is just a lot of talk of game mechanics and what I imagine is competitive standard battle stats. I know early on he said there was very little if any back story, that being said. I don’t think we should approach this from merely a competitive standpoint. Especially going backwards, dragons in the first 2 generations were some if not the strongest and rarest typing. Not to mention westerners then at least the westerners I met back then didn’t understand or were aware of the Japanese lore behind some of the pokemon. Maybe it’s premature but my point is there are other aspects of the pokemon universe that aren’t just competitive. Especially looking back when that type of thinking was not as really well founded.
Actually in anime he was never champion. Check the sources and you'll see there's no an episode where he's introduced as Champion. Btw you forgot to mention his special Dragonite in the special tournament in Unova. It's the first time we see one with the ability Multiscale which can definitely turn him into a threat (it has dragon dance ).
- The Kanto and Jotoh League Champion 🏆 Lance The Dragon Master and Pokémon G-Men Leader. 🔥🐉 Dragon🐉🔥 Type Pseudo-Legendary Duelist Team : Kairyu, Kingdra, Aerodactyl, Shiny Mega Gyarados, Mega Charizard X.
In an turn based game i feel like yea he's not built for the hype BUT maybe in like a "real world" type of deal in the pokemon universe he probably is a beast. Seeing as how pokemon can dodge on command an what not and if theyre trained well and he's an elite trainer they might take a hit or 2 even if its super effective no? 🤔 Type advantages doesn't necessarily mean Victory, not going strictly by video game rules etc.
Have you ever casually played gen 2? The difference in level between Lance's strongest pokemon and Will's weakest is over 10 levels. I could barely compete with Will as it was. Lance's rematch team in gen 2 is then WAY more powerful. Lance is OP. I'd argue, he's even harder than Cynthia since you don't get level's, pokemon and items on the level as gen 4.
Honestly Aerodactyl is his most threatening pokemon, it's very fast and hits very hard, with type coverage against electric, ice and rock, its 3 common weaknesses. And most good water types has a secondary typing which is weak against rock. On top of that, STAB rock slide not only hits hard but has a chance of flinch and with its power, it can finish you off with hyperbeam
I think that the top 8 trainers in order in the master class of journeys are 1.Leon 2.Lance 3.Cynthia 4.Diantha 5.Steven 6. Rhyhim 7.Drake or Lucien or Brandon 8. Tobais or Alan maybe.
It would have been a cool idea if instead of a team full of non dragons he actually only used a lv80 Dragonite and made it a boss battle like with Ultra Neckrozma
My issue with Leon is how much of a Gary Sue he is. Lance should have won. He had the type advantage. I honestly don't like Leon. He is overly hyped and needs to fail more.
"Clefable and Wigglytuff are really the only ones he needs to worry about." Alolan Ninetails wishes to have a word with you, with its Ice/Fairy type double fucking dragons both ways lmao.
The less annoying version of iris (btw Im talking about the anime) or should I say the elite four/champion with hex (I'm talking about his dragonite not being level 55 or above which is the required level for dragonair
With enough love and compassion and dedication any Pokémon can be good And an experienced trainer like Lance has the strength and heart to make it happen And clearly it showed since he made it amongst the top trainers The way you are judging his team is a bit apathetic and shallow And not open minded and optimistic like it should be imo You sound A little bit too Paul if you ask me
My opinion, Lance's team should have had Kingdra and Tyranitar on it. Having four dragons on the team, one that not even weak to neither ice or rock types, and Tyranitar since it is the strongest pseudo-legendary mon in Johto. And those 2 could have boosted the power and difficulty of Lance's team up some. Kanto/Johto Champion Lance: Dragonite ×3 Kingdra Aerodactyl Tyranitar Or Dragonite ×2 Kingdra Aerodactyl Tyranitar Gyarados Or Dragonite Kingdra Gyarados Charizard Aerodactyl Tyranitar Honestly, any combination with those two involved, would have definitely boosted Lance's team up a lot, imo.
You can’t just judge a character on the behalf of games. In games, no matter how strong the opponent is, you will win cuz that’s what the game is all about. Set moves are already given in the system. So Logically, it doesn’t have a human mind to use move sets in a strategic way especially in Kanto and Jhoto games cuz’ those are starting 2 regions and technology wasn’t that much advance as it is right now. And if u have to judge it by games then defeating Legendary Pokemons by Magicarp is also possible. But in anime which we can said in reality it’s even hard for a pokemon with type advantage to defeat a legendary Pokemon. Kanto and Jhoto leagues are both actually Indigo Leagues that’s why both regions have a same Champion which is Lance right now also known as Captain of Elite 4. Remaining League Champions are Steven Stone, Cynthia, Iris, Diantha, Ash and Leon.
Lance never beat Red(Kanto's champion before him) he was given the position because red left to complete his pokedex and then secluded himself on mount silver. And blue hasn't been champion since he lost to red.
How strong is Bruno as he was the only Elite Four member to still be part of it in Gen 2 (Lance was Champion, not Elite Four, not that is bad, just saying)
How strong is Whitney? She’s the one person in all of Pokémon that I struggled with the most. Of course it could be because I played g/s when I was like 6 or 7 so didn’t understand type advantages or anything
Somewhere between the third and eighth strongest trainer in the world if we're going by the anime only. I'd put him at 4 because Leon and Cynthia have better balanced teams and Steven has better coverage for his mono team.
@@davidciszewski7497 The answer to my question is that the champions who are in the master class don't fight enough battles that's why lance has higher rank than the others even though he is not the 2nd strongest champion.
I defetead him today, It was difficult but with my lovely wobbuffet i win, i k.o every dragons Is have , the only Pokemon Who let me lose every time was his aerodactyl. PS: Wobbuffet The Strongest Pokemon ever
Who would win between Lance and Raihan? Lance is a Champion and Raihan is said to be strong enough to be a Champion, and neither one of them can defeat Leon.
That said, I have flat out swept his team in HGSS with just an Ampharos. Ampharos learns Power Gem in those games. With just an electric move + Power Gem, it's enough to sweep his team.
@@susear5939 u cant get to lance with just a amphoros🤣. And it learns power gem at level 60 so you way over levelled that pokemon. Because u wanted to win against lance with no trouble 🙌 am i right?
@@DrapionRanger of course I didn't reach Lance with 1 Pokemon. I reached him with a full team. I just happened to sweep him with my Ampharos. I put it in first slot when I went into the battle.
look, Lance is strong ... if your not ready for him but looking at he's team through out the series and the main issue is that he's team is just filled with nothing but Dragons and "dragon like" Pokemon and that is where the problem lies: He's team as too many weaknesses. to say you could bring in that Lapras you got for Free and wipe he's whole team out is an understatement but you could also bring in Jynx, Dewgong and Cloyster to and they'd do some damage and barely go down without a fire but also bring in Electric or Rock Pokemon to take out he's non-Dragon type Pokemon like Gyarados and Aerodactyl. and it doesn't get any better in the remakes or Gen 2 games cause he triple down on the Dragonite and that's just 3 Ice Beams away from a win and the fact he doesn't add the new dragon type, Kingdra, to he's team is what really dooms him from being a Dragon trainer and Champ. it's only till HGSS and B2/W2 does he even go all out but by then there are so many good Pokemon to counter he's Pokemon and Gen 6 slams he's team to the ground. Lance is not a great Champion and thank Arceus the anime agrees with me.
It takes a legend to evolve 3 dragonite before level 55. He’s hella OP
Bottom line!
Lol I was gonna type this. He's the reason dragonite is my favorite pokemon tho tbh.
This comment Has 55 like buy the time I commented
@@condorgaming4000 same
Not really, in the wild, you can easily caught pokemons that evolve below their level, so lance probably just caught an underlevel wild dragonite
we all know that lance lost against leon because he has plot armour or else he wouldnt be the „undeafeted“ anymore
As a competitive player and someone that loves Lance as HGSS was my first game: Leon's team is actually GOOD, the only champion team that is stronger is Cynthia's, good coverage, very strong Pokémon's, good type diversity, his and Cynthia's teams are actually so good that they can be used Copy Paste in a competitive battle and be super strong
*Leon's team considerate is If the player chose Scorbunny or Sobble
*Cynthia team considerate is BDSP, all of her teams are incredible strong but the rematch team (Spiritomb, Roserade, Togekiss, Lucario, Milotic, Garchomp) is the strongest
*Cynthia team is A LOT STRONGER than Leon's
@@LuisFelipe-pq9lr If there's a Mega Dragonite or Gigantamax Dragonite - Dragonite will have the plot armor.
Gotta say he's definitely the most intimidating looking out of the champions.
The cape definitely helps
My favorite tied with leon
Definitely. Him flat out hyperbeaming a Team Rocket grunt in Mahogany Town really adds to this.
What about Iris hmmmmmmmmm?
@@clupos74 Iris is my favorite champion easy but I was mainly going off appearance.
"Not all dragon pokemon are dragon type" - Lance
Lance doesn't do much in the anime, but he's super helpful in gold/silver & HG/SS
That's because gen 1 and 2 didn't have any story in the anime,which is why lance had a bit of an important character in the groudon and kyogre "arc"
Hyper beam in ya face
I think that Lance was a good Champion his team in the Original games being lacklustre is mainly due to the Dragon typing rare and their not being a lot of Dragon type Pokemon at the Beginning of the franchise but now with more of them being discovered his teams were slowing getting better and atleast he did a lot at a member of the Pokemon GMen fight Crime and protecting the regions.
I mean it’s Pokémon fault for making a grand total of 4 dragon Pokémon in Gens 1 and 2, and one of them is used by a gym leader and another is the base stage of a 3 stage evolution
@@itstheman0nthem00n same with the Ghost type as well in Gens 1 and 2.
True, plus imagine if fairy types existed in the first two generations. Lance would be almost completely walled with a lack of coverage against a Pokrmon like Primarina. If he was champion elsewhere m, he'd have to really rework his team.
His HGSS team is best cause he has added Garchomp and Salamence to his team
@@TheHolySacred-Cow they ruined his team by adding garchomp and salamence. should use only gen 1 and 2 mons
gyarados
dragonite
ampharos
tyranitar
charizard
aerodactyl
I call him the Holy Nightmare for a reason. Took me nearly two weeks to finally defeat him. Even then victory was very narrow. I managed to lay a burn on his Dragonite. He used hyper beam. Somehow, my Typhlosion managed to survive with 1 hp. The burn took effect and I won.
I beat it in 1 try but well khm the secret ash was useless in gen 2 and well I had to Quick save and load sooo its not my fault oh and I was 10 lvls lower
In the manga his dragonair destroys half of vermilion city with one hyper beam and that's pretty powerful
Lance teaches a legendary typing. So that's why Lance is my favorite.
@@badtimeisinevitable9620 the strongest flying type trainer in Kanto and Johto. The infamous Bird Keeper Lance!
Do not forget he is second to Leon at the World Tournament. In the games, it is different than in the anime.
The difference between the other champions is you see his growth over time, when Cynthia just somehow has this amazing powerhouse of a team with no context behind it.
The context is she is a champion.
I'm sure context is shown of Cynthia? Hatching a Gible, catching a Feebas, evolving her Gabite etc.
He’s a dragon master because he also used Pokémon that can pass for a dragon type. Plus with the low supply of dragons in the earlier gens.
Hyperbeam is there for nostalgic reasons, that thing was so great in Gen 1/2, and was heavily associated with Dragons.
To be fair mystic, Lance does use all dragons. It's just that it's the dragon egg group and an Aerodactyl
Edit: Didn't know he had a Kanga, so that's another one for random good picks
Also he can use the same ability as iris in the manga cynthia can too I believe
@@MentalOutlvl6 Is it the talk to pokemon thing that N and the lady from the Arceus movie can do? If so that holds alot of weight to a theory I've had since mid gen 5
I remember having so much trouble with Lance when I played SS as a kid
I think in Masters Lance says something about not all dragons being dragon type, so between that and the limitations of living in a region that only had one line of dragon types I guess he had to be more flexible about what he considered a dragon. Regardless of his placing in team composition I personally found him one of the more enjoyable champions in terms of story presence. He felt more like he was actually doing stuff about what was going on without taking away from the player's involvement. There's also that red gyarados encounter.
He's honestly really cool.
hyper beam is tradition. Just the blast of the sound make it the top elite even in the past. I love the game
I think having hyper beam is badass, Remember he used it on a person!
The Pokemon League Elite Four, Former Champion, Pokemon International Police Officer, Dragon Master, Lance is THE ORIGINAL G.O.A.T. The Games kind of underwhelming.
Former champion of kanto and johto
There's a few things I want to correct you on.
1. You say his team lacks dragons, but if you look at the mon's egg groups, you'd know most are in the dragon egg group. The only non-dragon type or non-dragon egg group mon is his Aerodactyl, but that's explainable. In Gen 1 and 2, there's only 5 dragon egg group mons, those being:
- Charizard
- Arbok
- Seadra
- Gyarados
- Dragonite
Arbok is a mon on Agatha's team, so it's clear why it's not on his team, but now he's left with only 4 mons, so what now? Well, while not a dragon type or in the dragon egg group, Aerodactyl is the closest mon in Gen 1 and even 2 to appear like a dragon. In fact, while its name hints as it being a kind of pterosaur, it kind of more resembles a wyvern, which is a type of dragon. Why they didn't give him this exact team in Gen 1 is beyond me, but he is still a dragon trainer for the most part. Plus in Pokemon Masters, even Lance states when being told Gyarados isn't a dragon that "not all dragons are dragon-type pokemon."
2. Lance wasn't a Champion in the anime, or not in the way you think. Lance in his debut episode was called the Champion of the Elite Four, but I think that is referring to him beig the strongest of the Elite Four. Why? Because the very next episode(along with any other episode he's spoken of or seen in) he was called "Lance of the Elite Four."
3. Lance may likely be above Cynthia in the anime. In fact, it's stated that the Master 8 compete in a tournament out of all of them and it's confirmed Cynthia was in the Master 8 class.
4. You're talking about how strong Lance is, but you didn't bring up some of the insane stuff Lance has done in the manga, like how he blew up a huge section of Vermillion City with a single Hyper Beam from his Dragonair or like how in the HGSS saga he's able to put up a good fight against Palkia. Lance in the manga was overpowered.
This video didn't even bring up how he took down multiple team rocket grunts in the anniversary shorts of Pokemon. In the manga he actually wins a lot, but he only mentioned the times he lost.
I wish more people did the manga justice. I’m not a frequent manga reader, but Pokémon manga hits different.
Bro cooked an gourmet food
Did somebody remember his overpowered team in HGSS
Overpowered? I have flat out swept his team in HGSS with just an Ampharos. Ampharos learns Power Gem in those games. With just an electric move + Power Gem, it's enough to sweep his team.
@@susear5939 coz you out leveled them using rare Candy cheats
@@susear5939 then thats you....his team was overpowered for most people
I was able to finish his team with Raichu and Feraligatr. Lead off with a good electric type and you can put in work from there. Use X Attack on Feraligatr and Ice Fang will one shot the Dragonites. Waterfall will deal with Aerodactyl, and Charizard. Had Raichu for backup and to deal with Gyarados. Not too bad if you bring the right Pokémon around level 45 or higher. HGSS is a game I recommend not running a full team of 6 in order to keep your levels up to par due to the lack of xp to go around early on.
For me, a pokemon silver fan, he will always be the most iconic champion. If you really want to counter his entire team with just one pokemon, bring lanturn. I had one with surf, waterfall, discharge and blizzard (which later on I switched to hydro pump, thunderbolt and ice beam right before the rematch after kanto) and it has super effective moves against any of his mons, while tanking most of them if not all of them effectively. also, the battle theme is damn legendary
Until they reveal who replaced Lance as kanto’s champion I’m still gonna consider him champion
I think the champion of kanto have consistently been changing.
oak > blue > red > lance > gold
In the anime? Hes an elite four member in kanto and champion of johto. Im pretty sure he hasnt lost or stepped down. Lance cynthia or steven losing in the anime to me at least would seem like something mentionable. Note the badly written leon fight...
Also have to take into consideration that Dragons tend to be harder to raise. Plus in the anime Pokémon can still resist types they are weak too for example his dragonite taking an ice beam may not cause as much damage as it would in a game cuz he trained them well or something so him having a team that has high weakness to rock and ice doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad when it comes to the anime. I mean we seen pikachu defeat ground types with electric moves and even beat abilities that would render electric moves useless with his pikachu. In the games sure you can easily set up a team that would destroy him but anime logic doesn’t follow game logic and being that he raised Pokémon in the dragon egg group he would easily be considered one of the strongest trainers in the anime
2:50
Red actually beat him with a lapras in pokemon origins . *the more you know*
Maybe canonically in the games he does too.
Spamming Ice Beam 🤔
He has glorious cool hair
I was always curious who the Champion was that Gary beat.
"You don't get to be the champion of the Pokemon League without knowing how to spam Full Restores"
Lance was my favorite only reason I have a massive dragonite card collection!!!!
Lance was a badass in the games, he just fits as a champion I can't really explain it lol
Exactly! 🖤
Lance will always be my Favourite Champion followed by Cynthia and Leon
In gen 1 games, atk and sp. Atk were combined and his dragonite's hyper beam hits hard asf.
Hyper beam was physical in gen 1 I should also mention that
With enough love and compassion and dedication any Pokémon can be good
And an experienced trainer like Lance has the strength and heart to make it happen
And clearly it showed since he made it amongst the top trainers
The way you are judging his team is a bit apathetic and shallow
And not open minded and optimistic like it should be imo
He really seems to have taken Karen's philosophy of using and training Pokemon to heart.
he only based on game
not on the Anime. Did you saw How Leon's Charizard struggle to Fight Gyarados of lance. Leon was Forced to Evolved his Charizard because he couldn't Bear Lance's Gyarados
We would love to see How Strong Is Red and How Strong Is Blue. Red and Blue are both legendary trainers in the Pokemon games, Please do that next time Mystic 😊🙏.
bro that’s such a good idea
Maybe it is a weird question but I have always wondered which of the evil organizations in pokemon that was actually the strongest in archiving their goals and power and influence in the world. That could be cool seeing in a video
Team Rocket or Plasma
Aren't Team Flare portrayed as like, controlling things behind the scenes in the manga? They did a lot, anyway.
3:55 "Even his Kingdra" and shows Seadra lol.
You really don't know how good Lance is, do you?
He’s arguably stronger than Cynthia if you don’t have any ice type moves.
or rocks :)
Nah Cynthia's team is more diverse making her tougher to deal with since you need multiple type coverage.Also if you don't have ice types you can deal with him using rock types since his entire team in heartgold soulsilver is weak to rock.And gyarados is a threat to rock types but gyarados dies to one electric type move
He is number 2 in the WCS
@@phenom3918 yeah but what rock types are there in HGSS? Tyranitar isn’t available until post game. Cynthia is overrated imo. Her only really tough Pokémon is spiritomb. If you have a balanced team Cynthia is easier to deal with. Lance’s dragonites are very overleveled compared to other games so even if you had ancient power they won’t go down. You need ice beam. If you don’t have that he’s a nightmare to deal with.
Or electric type moves
How strong is Gary Freaking Oak?
Make for Steven stone , I think shiny mega metagross > Cynthia's gramchop
"How strong really is Lance?"
Lance: *laughs in x999 full restores*
If you play the fr/lg games in set mode, Lance is actually pretty difficult to beat.
Doesn't Kukui talk about facing Lance at some point during Sun/Moon?
Charizard may technically be a fire/flying type, but pretty sure his design is based off a dragon.
My boy bird keeper Lance did better then I expected.
I’m new to this channel, it came up on my feed. I’m only 6:04 in, I there is just a lot of talk of game mechanics and what I imagine is competitive standard battle stats. I know early on he said there was very little if any back story, that being said. I don’t think we should approach this from merely a competitive standpoint. Especially going backwards, dragons in the first 2 generations were some if not the strongest and rarest typing. Not to mention westerners then at least the westerners I met back then didn’t understand or were aware of the Japanese lore behind some of the pokemon. Maybe it’s premature but my point is there are other aspects of the pokemon universe that aren’t just competitive. Especially looking back when that type of thinking was not as really well founded.
Actually in anime he was never champion.
Check the sources and you'll see there's no an episode where he's introduced as Champion.
Btw you forgot to mention his special Dragonite in the special tournament in Unova.
It's the first time we see one with the ability Multiscale which can definitely turn him into a threat (it has dragon dance ).
I sweapt Cynthia lance handed my butt in the heart gold remakes in the rematch. His Garchomp kept using outrage at level 72. It was to fast.
- The Kanto and Jotoh League Champion 🏆 Lance The Dragon Master and Pokémon G-Men Leader.
🔥🐉 Dragon🐉🔥 Type
Pseudo-Legendary Duelist
Team : Kairyu, Kingdra, Aerodactyl, Shiny Mega Gyarados, Mega Charizard X.
He must be. He forced his Dragonairs to evolve into Dragonites before Level 55.
In an turn based game i feel like yea he's not built for the hype BUT maybe in like a "real world" type of deal in the pokemon universe he probably is a beast. Seeing as how pokemon can dodge on command an what not and if theyre trained well and he's an elite trainer they might take a hit or 2 even if its super effective no? 🤔 Type advantages doesn't necessarily mean Victory, not going strictly by video game rules etc.
I think any of the leaders or champions had their best team be their tournament team
He will always be the og dragon man
Have you ever casually played gen 2? The difference in level between Lance's strongest pokemon and Will's weakest is over 10 levels. I could barely compete with Will as it was. Lance's rematch team in gen 2 is then WAY more powerful. Lance is OP. I'd argue, he's even harder than Cynthia since you don't get level's, pokemon and items on the level as gen 4.
Jiren vs Cynthia would be a great match
Honestly Aerodactyl is his most threatening pokemon, it's very fast and hits very hard, with type coverage against electric, ice and rock, its 3 common weaknesses. And most good water types has a secondary typing which is weak against rock. On top of that, STAB rock slide not only hits hard but has a chance of flinch and with its power, it can finish you off with hyperbeam
10 year old me :Lance unbeatable
12 year old : teaches feraligatr ice punch
You forgot to mention the three illegal Dragonites
I think that the top 8 trainers in order in the master class of journeys are
1.Leon
2.Lance
3.Cynthia
4.Diantha
5.Steven
6. Rhyhim
7.Drake or Lucien or Brandon
8. Tobais or Alan maybe.
Yes
Replace Drake for Ash. The 8th member is a wildcard. We don't know who it might be.
Who's Rhyhim?
& There's no galar elite 4.
@@crimson_kitsuryuu I think they meant Raihan
Bruh I forgot how crazy Pokémon adventure was
Lance dragon team comes from the Dragon egg group not actual typing
I still can't get over what they were thinking when they were making his team on the Stadium Games. Fucking Arcanine and Snorlax? Really?
It would have been a cool idea if instead of a team full of non dragons he actually only used a lv80 Dragonite and made it a boss battle like with Ultra Neckrozma
Technically most of his Pokémon are Dragons just not Dragon type
My issue with Leon is how much of a Gary Sue he is. Lance should have won. He had the type advantage. I honestly don't like Leon. He is overly hyped and needs to fail more.
read the title and went "I gotta see this"
"Clefable and Wigglytuff are really the only ones he needs to worry about."
Alolan Ninetails wishes to have a word with you, with its Ice/Fairy type double fucking dragons both ways lmao.
Would love to ash vs lance in the anime
Lance was a demon in the manga
The less annoying version of iris (btw Im talking about the anime)
or should I say the elite four/champion with hex (I'm talking about his dragonite not being level 55 or above which is the required level for dragonair
With enough love and compassion and dedication any Pokémon can be good
And an experienced trainer like Lance has the strength and heart to make it happen
And clearly it showed since he made it amongst the top trainers
The way you are judging his team is a bit apathetic and shallow
And not open minded and optimistic like it should be imo
You sound A little bit too Paul if you ask me
the more you mention pokemon adventures, the more i come.
Untill and unless he has multiscale dragonites. Interesting fact's his whole team's weak to Stealth rocks
😭
Doesn't matter, we rock slide or ice beam regardless
He has one actually.
"Fight the champion champion Lance "
Unova special tournament.
It has dance too even.
I’d love to say do champion iris next but the fact that she’s ash’s female companion in unova kind of ruins things IMO
Don't forget that he tried Dragonite to use Hyper Beam on a person.
Yay new vid!!! Keep up dude
My opinion, Lance's team should have had Kingdra and Tyranitar on it. Having four dragons on the team, one that not even weak to neither ice or rock types, and Tyranitar since it is the strongest pseudo-legendary mon in Johto. And those 2 could have boosted the power and difficulty of Lance's team up some.
Kanto/Johto Champion Lance:
Dragonite ×3
Kingdra
Aerodactyl
Tyranitar
Or
Dragonite ×2
Kingdra
Aerodactyl
Tyranitar
Gyarados
Or
Dragonite
Kingdra
Gyarados
Charizard
Aerodactyl
Tyranitar
Honestly, any combination with those two involved, would have definitely boosted Lance's team up a lot, imo.
You can’t just judge a character on the behalf of games. In games, no matter how strong the opponent is, you will win cuz that’s what the game is all about. Set moves are already given in the system. So Logically, it doesn’t have a human mind to use move sets in a strategic way especially in Kanto and Jhoto games cuz’ those are starting 2 regions and technology wasn’t that much advance as it is right now. And if u have to judge it by games then defeating Legendary Pokemons by Magicarp is also possible. But in anime which we can said in reality it’s even hard for a pokemon with type advantage to defeat a legendary Pokemon.
Kanto and Jhoto leagues are both actually Indigo Leagues that’s why both regions have a same Champion which is Lance right now also known as Captain of Elite 4. Remaining League Champions are Steven Stone, Cynthia, Iris, Diantha, Ash and Leon.
Cynthia, Lance, Leon. Strongest champions in that order.
Sorry Lance but when that piano plays you know your time is up.
Jiren
To be fair you can't blame lances gen 1 and 2 teams as there was only ONE dragon type mon for gen 1 and 2 for gen 2.
4:50 Mega Drain has giga drain base power for some reason
4:51 Mega Drain is Giga drain in Let's go.
"Is Lance the strongest champion?"
"Lance isn't even the strongest champion in Kanto" :PPPPP
Lance never beat Red(Kanto's champion before him) he was given the position because red left to complete his pokedex and then secluded himself on mount silver. And blue hasn't been champion since he lost to red.
Steven Stone next please
How strong is Bruno as he was the only Elite Four member to still be part of it in Gen 2 (Lance was Champion, not Elite Four, not that is bad, just saying)
He’s a clean sweep, looks cool tho
@@Confecting Onix(s): Wanna go Flying types? (reference to how back then Fighting was only weak to Flying and Psychic so it's coverage)
I'm the only lance simp in here?
Ahh. Lance the Bird keeper.
I wonder who took his spot as the Final Elite Four Member in the Kanto Generation 1 Pokemon Region!!!!!
Damn. I didn't know Garchomp was a Tyranitar counter
How strong is Whitney? She’s the one person in all of Pokémon that I struggled with the most.
Of course it could be because I played g/s when I was like 6 or 7 so didn’t understand type advantages or anything
Somewhere between the third and eighth strongest trainer in the world if we're going by the anime only. I'd put him at 4 because Leon and Cynthia have better balanced teams and Steven has better coverage for his mono team.
Bro anime it is confirmed that lance is the no 2 trainer in the world
In the anime
@@gdm5979 Let's see lance lost to gary or should I say blue and other trainers but why is gary not no2?
@@oofwio because in Pokémon Journeys Lance lost to Leon who was the strongest Pokémon Trainer in the world. Lance was number 2 in the tournament cup
@@davidciszewski7497 The answer to my question is that the champions who are in the master class don't fight enough battles that's why lance has higher rank than the others even though he is not the 2nd strongest champion.
In my latest run if hg/ss I swept his team with underleveled my Cyndaquil, heracross, Dragonair, togetic, Ampharos and Espeon
I defetead him today, It was difficult but with my lovely wobbuffet i win, i k.o every dragons Is have , the only Pokemon Who let me lose every time was his aerodactyl. PS: Wobbuffet The Strongest Pokemon ever
Lance graduated in the seto kaiba University of dragon users
Who would win between Lance and Raihan?
Lance is a Champion and Raihan is said to be strong enough to be a Champion, and neither one of them can defeat Leon.
Bro i literally grinding my team for Lance's champ battle🔥
That said, I have flat out swept his team in HGSS with just an Ampharos. Ampharos learns Power Gem in those games. With just an electric move + Power Gem, it's enough to sweep his team.
@@susear5939 thats bs ampharos is outsped by everything on his team so unless you spam healed/overlevelled ur lying
@@susear5939 u cant get to lance with just a amphoros🤣. And it learns power gem at level 60 so you way over levelled that pokemon. Because u wanted to win against lance with no trouble 🙌 am i right?
@@defiant6053 use Discharge or thunder wave to paralyse the enemy. Of course potions are allowed during a playthrough.
@@DrapionRanger of course I didn't reach Lance with 1 Pokemon. I reached him with a full team. I just happened to sweep him with my Ampharos. I put it in first slot when I went into the battle.
look, Lance is strong ... if your not ready for him but looking at he's team through out the series and the main issue is that he's team is just filled with nothing but Dragons and "dragon like" Pokemon and that is where the problem lies: He's team as too many weaknesses. to say you could bring in that Lapras you got for Free and wipe he's whole team out is an understatement but you could also bring in Jynx, Dewgong and Cloyster to and they'd do some damage and barely go down without a fire but also bring in Electric or Rock Pokemon to take out he's non-Dragon type Pokemon like Gyarados and Aerodactyl. and it doesn't get any better in the remakes or Gen 2 games cause he triple down on the Dragonite and that's just 3 Ice Beams away from a win and the fact he doesn't add the new dragon type, Kingdra, to he's team is what really dooms him from being a Dragon trainer and Champ.
it's only till HGSS and B2/W2 does he even go all out but by then there are so many good Pokemon to counter he's Pokemon and Gen 6 slams he's team to the ground.
Lance is not a great Champion and thank Arceus the anime agrees with me.