The Idiot's Guide to Politics - Fallout New Vegas
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- The Game was rigged from the start - So let's talk about how a game where you can turn people into meaty chunks does politics great.
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0:00 - New Vegas - A Crazy, Noisy, Bizarre Town
0:19 - This is New Vegas
18:25 - End Credits
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I love how you used RussianBadger's thumbnail as an inspiration for yours 😂
Bizarre's misspelled in the description.
Can you do a character study on anasui from jojo Stone ocean
It got shared to me if it means anything, and I'm not even that big a fan
Pros of the NCR: It's practically the U.S Government
Cons of the Ncr: It's practically the U.S Government
not only the U.S government, but the fallout's universe version of the U.S government
@@kyrazz128I'd say the Enclave is representative of Fallout's US government...because it is.
The NCR is mostly reminiscent of today's US government.
I hate how Fallout political analysis often boils down to "capitalism bad" or the occasional "communism evil." The original games should how both America and China were the cause of nukes because of their constant clashing ideologies and race to outdo each other. It shows how dangerous tribalism can be since neither sides were able to see the destruction they were causing until it was too late.
The fact that several old devs even said it wasn't created to be anti-capitalist makes it more frustrating. Misses the entire point of saying war never changes.
The same people that says Capitalism bad while spending time on their latest iPhone will always entertain me.
Weren't the nukes caused by vault tech? I thought they had vaults all over the world, USA and China included, and just wanted to increase share price and jump start their experiments?
Wasn't the "Great War" started by vault tec wanting to experiment on people around the world?
@@ikagura 100,000,000%
1:08 This was a perfect opportunity to use a clip from Fallout: The Frontier.
"Let's talk politics."
"There is literally nothing I would hate more, but okay."
Except its a Terrible mod that is getting a overhaul even with a new title
Mikeburnfire shoutout!!
@@RikouHogashiehh the writing I agree on, the aspects of the mod though, I personally liked and didn't mind. I liked the cars and I didn't think the snake people where that bad. Then again I like the wasteland series so fucking snake people just isn't nearly as weird to me.
@@dodo-uz4ct yeah i thought of THAT video when i said what i said
I like how stupid Benny’s justification for killing Mr House is. So what he’s saved New Vegas from nuclear holocaust? He’s a nerd!
I find Mr. House's side to be such a compelling faction in the game, simply because he eschews from your typical "anarchy vs. order" dynamic that most game factions approach politics from. Instead, House represents the prioritization of a select few and the flourishing of technology placed in the hands of one undisputed leader, and it provides a neat contrast to the more egalitarian NCR or the barbarism of the Legion. You can definitely see the merits to House's ideology, but also have to contend with the suspect policies that may come at the cost of rampant, unhindered progress.
I know it's cliche to compare him to Singapore, but it really is the same model they used (and Taiwan to an extent)
I think that's why I like him, it's another real ideology that also exists outside of the traditional paradigm.
hes a gambleing addict
@@nkosig4995 No he isn't. He uses it as a tool, but he himself is very reserved and calculating.
I mean compare him to the NCR. By this point the NCR are an imperialist government solely looking for more land and resources because they squandered what they had back west. Their government is more subservient to the Brahmin Barons then anything else and will actively would rather resort to violence rather than taking the time to even talk things out. Their conflict with The Kings and by extension their treatment of Freeside are one of the best examples of what the NCR has become. A blotted, bureaucratic state that if it took over New Vegas wouldn’t be able to hold on to it.
@@kingofhearts3185 Taiwan #1, Chyna # 3,001
What I also sort of like is how the endings can play out.
You can convince the legion to stand down.
You can convince the NCR that Mr House is the best option.
You can force Mr House into following your orders.
These people feel alive because they can act, react, change, or fight it.
While so many other versions just slap one one coat of paint and call it a day.
The sheer quantity of copyrighted music in this video is insane. Obviously fair use is a thing, but the content ID system is unforgiving. I hope this video stays monetized.
I wish Big Iron was safe at the very least
I wish new Vegas wasn't rushed to hell and back, the legion kinda got gutted and they're really hard to sympathize with in the finished game but they had so much planned content. We were supposed to get in depth looks into their government in the east (the legion basically acts like a military force in the Mojave and none of their rules are enforced there like they are in the east) and it was supposed to paint a picture of a primitive but fascinating society that blends modern day technology and wisdoms with tribal and ancient government. But because we only see their barbaric side that's all they are to us.
Yeah especially since people are all about "well the Legion will fall because Rome fell in like 500 years" instead of actually bringing up actual flaws like the Legion being too rigid because it's built on its own hype and how 99% of legionaires are just dumba** tribals who don't know anything about Hegelian Dialectics or whatever and are just swallowing the dogma.
Caeser is actually charismatic, and he needs to be as he is the only leader in the Legion to be deeper than a puddle
Man discusses the same topics that people have been discussing for a million hours since New Vegas released because the game is so good people STILL talk about it and argue.
Politics, politics never change.
Ah yes. Playing low intelligence characters in Fallout........ A sci-fi setting.
SUUUPER BEST MATCH!
And then there’s you and Yesman, where your 1 Intelligence mailman you created because you wanted to see the low intelligence speech options takes over from Mr. House, who at least had a rough idea and plan of what to do for the short and long-term.
Interesting omission of the independent Vegas route. Some argue that it's just the player co-opting House's plan, but it is presented as an anarchy route showing that even with the same robot army, the Courier can't police things himself as well as the other major factions.
"good ol' fashion capitalism"
That was probably the 1st someone properly explained the downside of capitalism than just saying 'it's bad because we can't Disney will take all of your money, so go socialism/communism '
12:23 You know who else was voiced by Yuri Lowenthal?
"Orpheus"
Technically, there's 1 semi-mandatory cutscene: if you're going for either the Mr. House ending or the Yes-Man ending, you will have to sit through the "Securitron upgrade" scene, which locks you in an underground area until the Securitron finishes its demonstration.
Just about everything else can be completely skipped.
It is worth pointing out that this game was made by the original team who made the first Fallout games.
Them ending Lonesome Road, the last part of the game (should you instal it) with a parting word.
For them, this is how they bid farawell to the franchise, been able to finally answer the problem they set in from the beginin.
If war doesn't changes, man must change.
RIP Mathew Perry. Also I swear, he and the guy who plays Randy Disher in Monk have the same voice.
I tried playing FNV with a John Wick build from a guide I saw on Steam: Eliminated Vulpes and his buddies (and war dogs) with a 10mm pistol and 9mm pistol as backup after 10mm ran out. My perception along with focusing on guns was good that they couldn’t close the gap between me and them. Felt good.
Edit: Downside is 1 Charisma cause John isn’t very social with everyone and also 1 Luck cause he lost both his wife, his car and his dog along with his encounters sometimes being a roll of the dice of what’s around the corner.
Your brain was shot from the start
New Vegas has some of my favorite easter eggs in video games. Not only the reference to the infamous fridge scene from Indiana Jones, but also finding two different Monty Python references with the Graffiti from Life of Brian and a box of grenades referencing the Holy Hand Grenade from Holy Grail
11:23 I like how he's more concerned about how you got the gun, as opposed to *why* you have it lol
Wow, wasn't expecting a FNV video from you.
Interesting take, though all I got from Lonesome Road is "Bear and the bull, and the bear, and the bull."
Followed by NCR's *"Pay tax-es."*
Aside from the crashing and me being a lowly FNV PS3 player who doesn't have a dedicated PC to mod the game, Fallout New Vegas is my favorite game of all time.
There's so much to do, every faction gives you personal reasons to side up with them, the ways you can deal with situations are interesting, and the game doesn't hesitate to thrust you out into the Wasteland and explore.
Heck, if its anything to go by, the Ultimate Edition sits proudly in my PS3 collection for good reason!
I don't care how good the video is, I'm not paying taxes!
Enjoy jail.
"Understandable." - Mr House, 2281
"PAY TAXES. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU WAITING FOR?" -President Aaron Kimball
5:42 well we can see the aftermath of the caravan battle and what happened to one of the female corpses in the caravan (hint: she didn't have any clothing items in her inventory) at the hands of the gangers, so it is pretty safe to say that the gangers were bad guys in that situation.
Honestly the one thing I do hate is that the Legion doesn’t have a lot of content to fully flush them out. since it makes them a very easy faction to go against due to the fact that there’s not a lot of reasons to support them in taking over the Mojave and new Vegas, the only things they can provide is making sure trade caravans are properly protected in the routes they go down and eradicating various dangerous wildlife that can cause trouble for settlements and that’s really it.🐱
Sadly the Legion is one of the biggest victims of the games short development time. The east side of the Colorado river was gonna be way bigger initially, in fact the game space for all of that still exists past the mountain borders. So much was planned, sad to see it not making in.
Agreed. Making them cartoonishly evil was a huge mistake. If it had been something more nuanced, maybe akin to its actual historical counterpart, with genuine good points that you could make a reasonable argument for siding with, then it would have made for a far more interesting story.
@@WarriorVirtue Eh, I personally wouldn't say that they lack nuance, Caesar being able to explain the why's of his ideology very in-depth kind of proves there is nuance to them. I've seen a good few people agree with Caesar, even if the majority don't so there clearly are points to follow.
@@WarriorVirtueThe legion was originally supposed to be more fleshed out and nuanced. East of the Colorado river we would have gotten to see how the Legion lived in their own territory and that there was a method to their madness. Like another commenter said though, the Legion was a victim of the games short development cycle.
It is funny though, that even though the Legion clearly takes its aesthetics from Rome, they more closely resemble the Mongol Empire.
Something I feel could have worked pretty well for fleshing out the legion, while not adding anything too fancy to the game that'd have tripled dev time, is focusing on caesar dying and the question of succession, imagine their main quest being about courtroom intrigue between Caesar's generals, frumentarii missions in ncr bases like mccarran and such, which would just be "walk here, talk to X or Y" quests in finished cells. maybe even letting you pick who becomes the new caesar, with just one ending slide giving a very brief description of their reign.
While Mr House is by no means perfect. The Speech he gives about putting man in space, and the line about "if you want to see the results of democracy, look out the window, convinced me he is the best choice. He has the most compelling vision, knowledge and resources to make it all happen. The House always wins.
As much as I liked about his plan. It would not work in his form.
He’s a businessman, not a rocket scientist. He would need to have hundreds of scientist and he has not even started doing any educational programs in the strip.
So Instead I just went with Yesman in the end.
Compelling, but self-serving. Whatever America was during the Great War, it sure as hell wasn't a democracy. And House would understand that better than most.
And then all he does is install himself as dictator with an unstoppable army and continue not to give a fuck about anyone too poor to live in Vegas. Asshole can't even be arsed to help out Freeside and Westside, and punishes the Kings for having the gall to make peace with the NCR.
Truly, a responsible leader.
@@JLF-cn1rr Eh. It was a result of democracy, though. The people in charge exploited the ignorance of the average voter to empower themselves further. It's not that democracy resulted in the great war, it's that the voters didn't have the knowledge or power to do anything about it.
@@MrChopstsicks no hes not just a businessman he actually is a scientist. hes the creator of robco and behind all its greatest inventions
You don't get it. The master in fo1 represented capitalism!
That's why his servants are GREEN and he runs a CHURCH and he consumes all into himself like a certain shipping conglomerate!
Great video but I do think one thing is missed that's very important to this. All the fractions have their flaws but even the worst ones have some good to them.
This is why I love New Vegas so much. The legion is objectively the worst faction morally and even as a government as a whole. However the legion territory is the safest territory in the entire area. The cut content wanted to explore this more however you can learn from traders that they love going through legion territory because there are no raiders unlike the NCR territory. Even though life is horrible for many people in the legion area, If you are a citizen you're in the safest area probably in the entire west. Not to mention the one that has the best critique of the NCR is Caesar himself who points out that they aren't really a democracy, just a dynasty with extra steps.
They are still the worst faction though. But even the evil bad guys have to have some positive to their existence otherwise why would they exist. This is something a lot in modern shows and movies where there is absolutely no understanding or benefit to the "evil faction". They are just evil and there's no reason why they should be other than maybe they like being evil or tradition or zealots. And yet some how they just rule with no question. Legion rules with both an extreme iron fist and cruelty but also guarantee safety in a world where anyone will kill you if you lived anywhere else
Every big faction in New Vegas has a reason for what it is and how it became to be. Even Legion, for how ruthless and regressive they are.
Yes Man, no gods no masters all the way personally. Its the most open ended option perfect for roleplay and its the best choise for Goodsprings.
yes
0:31 Ah yes, Bethesda games, the main source of Nexus Mods' business.
did kamens design change again? i think the shirt and jacket are different, but that's probably my brain being dumb
Dear god, casually finding out that the 4th Indiana Jones is that old when I had nearly forgotten about it really does make me feel old worse than knowing Super Mario Bros 1 is as old as it is. The "new" thing is already that old?!
New Vegas my beloved
Still one of my favorite games ever made simply because the factions are that intersting and in depth. We need another Fallout game like it even though we know it won't happen. One day we will get an RPG as good as Fallout New Vegas.
Isn't there a "Let God Sort 'Em Out" option?
We can't expect God to do all the work.
yes-man?
Fallout is where you have to choose the consequences you're willing to live with rather than a definitively good ending
I have never used mods for this game, it barely ever crashes
11:30 I understood that reference!
Best faction is the Followers of the Apocalypse. If only we could "Yes Man" and slowly transition them into a position of power.
I honestly hate the Yes Man ending. Quite possibly the single most pessimistic depiction of a decentralized society I have ever seen.
Doesn't help that the last lines of the Yes-Man ending imply that the AI has gained full sentience and changed its own programming, suggesting that the Courier wouldn't even retain control of an Independent Vegas for long.
If that's the worse you've seen you aren't looking far. Plus it's still better than Somalia or Haiti.
The yesman ending is meant as a choose your own ending. It is bad compared with the other endings at face value because all other factions give you an overview of the problems that faction faces in the wake of hoover dam and then offers said factions solution for getting said problems under control. Yesman only offers problems with no solution because the player is supposed to fill in the blanks with their own solutions, that's the whole point of seizing the reigns of power for yourself. It's a power trip that can be as good or as bad as it needs to be depending on what the player has in mind and the game gives you plenty to work with (I e a courier with access to big mountain could supplement their securitron army with nimble big mountain cyber dogs to disperse the riots spoken of in the ending slides, or levies the goodwill they had working with every faction to curry political favors and grant representation in some form or another to the various factions and actually form a stable government that is any of the hundreds of shades in-between the communal homogenized warband, expansionistic kleptocrasy and isolationist autocratic city-state that the other factions encompass)
Tldr yesman ending is designed to revolve around player head canon, that's why it is lacking compared to the others and if you aren't into roleplaying that in depth it just looks like the crappy pessimist everything goes wrong ending because without said head canon it is effectively only half an ending.
I love some of my yesman playthroughs, but yesman playthroughs are highly personal and cannot translate between players. So objectively yes just going by game canon yesman ending is the bad ending, but I appreciate it's inclusion and intent because sometimes you just wanna flip the board and try to imagine a better way for the people of the mojave..or a nightmare hellscape of pragmatic tyranny from a technocratic cyborg conquering the waste for nothing more than their own amusement, depending on the playthrough
@@nadrewod999hahaha except that the devs and sawyer confirmed that he meant he was going to make himself not listen to other people only you. He wants to be your yesman
@@cornfed_corn5628 I'm not listening to Josh Sawyer on that one, because he literally spoke up against devs changing ambiguous aspects of their works retroactively to something non-ambiguous, citing Deckard being a replicant in Bladerunner.
And that was just on a stream where he didn't want to confirm what one sentence in a tribal language meant in Honest Hearts.
Here it's an entire ending of the game!
Now this is a title I can get behind. Such beautiful brutality in this video. Oh, also good analysis.
12:26 What series?
Yes, you are right, every side has its pro's and con's, and you are forced to choose 1 of them, (Politics).
But blasting people into fragments is so much fun, the choices hardly matters.
Only thing we need to know from new vegas is that 9mm is a inferior caliber.
If one desires the one true path through New Vegas, watch Kevin Costner's The Postman for guidance.
Only little kids play Fallout. Real Gamers plays *Double Fines’ Rad.*
I am joking by the way
200 hours only that’s noob stats…
Best fallout game I ever played
Commenting again after watching. Thanks for the laugh today and another fantastic vid :D
Glad you enjoyed it
I need more of this mangahamen I've already seen enough of the why X fiction is bad and writing analysis that to be honest can seem pretentious I like the much more down-to-earth understandable critiques like this (and I swear it's not because I like fallout New Vegas you've talked about other games I like too and yeah)
Then share this video, if it gets popular, I'll gladly make more videos like this :)
@@Mangakamen yeah sure to all of two people who won't watch it my social media presence is literally non-existent people care about my opinions almost as little as I care about theirs
Beautiful video about a beautiful game, it's still such a masterpiece. I so hope we can preserve it for the future generations, along with MGR.
Couldn't agree more!
11:23
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16:00 *100% THIS*
This video sure is a kick in the head.
Video games arent made like this anymore
Woo can't wait to watch this :D
2:11 the name, Praetorian Jack is better. Sorry, I saw Furisoa movie. It is a good movie
6:11 I am Surprised you didn’t you that Fallout Clip from Smosh. “He shot my arm off with teeny tiny Bullet!”
How rich is Raid Shadow league?
14:46 What would you say about Kamen Rider Black Sun? I know I already ask you last time on your Uno new years but it mostly about legacy character such as Aoi. But I also want your opinion how Kamen Rider Black Sun handled politics.
I do like Bilgenia had a redemption arc in the show.
I thought Black Sun’s politics is fine but also it is a bit confusing.
Kaijins were not born they were created as living Weapons during WW2.
You know Gorgom’s Symbol is Infinity ♾️ but The Symbol that Aoi created on Kotaro’s chest and have flag means End.
The anti kajin points out about racism it is only on humans against other human but he and other anti Kajin are still xenophobic and they are still discriminating Kajins. That is something they are completely unaware of.
Also Kotaro Died in Black Sun so possible No Kamen Rider Black Sun RX or Aoi will become RX.
Yeah i confused about the two worlds where Kotaro become RX and another world Kotaro stay as Black. Would the Crisis Empire still exist if Kotaro still remain as Kamen Rider Black?
I wonder if Shadow Moon will be Shadow Moon RX if he exposed by Moon’s Light in space.
16:00 *Have you Played Outer Worlds?* I played it briefly at the beginning. I name my character after Shiki from Edens Zero and Zaha Sanko from Dai Dark. Two the Sci-Fi stuff I am currently enjoy.
But great analysis on Fallout video, Kamen.
Do indigo park
Always took the legion as a “might makes right” kind view of politics.
Which yeah, allows for justification for fucked up acts
But putting on the wolf head for a moment, those cowering to the ncr for protection only do so outta fear of their own weakness and inability to stand on their own two feet. Least that’s how I think they view most of the populace of the Mojave
Yes, evil. But from their perspective. Your welcome to try to stop them…if you have the strength
True to Kaiser
I only support an independent Vegas because I think the NCR and the Mojave would benefit from it and it's still better than Legion
For me it’s the white gloves
THAT'S VEGAS BABY!
I love robots but hate house.
14:46 It's funny that the first thing you show when you go into the subject of black and white morality in gaming is a screenshot of Bioshock Infinite. A game that said BOTHSIDES BAD about a White Supremacist state vs. a minority-lead rebel faction.
I'd argue another good example is Wolfenstein: The New Colossus. While it's more black and white than New Vegas, the rebels are showed as flawed but trying to overcome their differences and still a force for good against world-conquering Nazis.
Fallout New Vegas: The Mojave is Unbreakable 💎💎💎
I like House
Also don't use the "Oh he only cares about the Mojave shi"
Mf He's paying me well and gives me a damn mansion to live in. Lemme leave live in Peace in my Novac home that I decorated by Mr House's money
Ahh yes the ever beloved fix-er-upper that is New Vegas
Yes man for the win, best faction y’all
Why are we here? Just to pay tax?
If only real life politics were as good as in new vegas.
New Vegas always was, to me, a great RPG pretending as a Fallout game.
It's the guy from Fortnite
I’m an anarchist and understand that all political ideologies have evil and have done it.This game isn’t good at politics but one thing it got correct that even benevolence hides a grisly undertone.
I got a political add watching this video. How ironic
I love taxes.
200 hours? dude i have 1000 i only play this game tbh