I disagree with your take. I didn’t need or want the Orville to be a grand sweeping space opera. That was expertly done with Babylon 5 and the Expanse. Not only that it has been so poorly done with modern Trek. The episodic shows were well written and very entertaining. Franchise are that stable copies of a master model. The Orville served a very much needed familiarity in escapism that Trek fans were not getting. DS9 could get away with a grand sweeping story because it was sandwiched by the episodic familiarity of TNG and Voyager. Personally I feel the Orville has given us some of the best “Star Trek.” Which I can speak only for myself was desperately needed.
I ended up enjoying what season 3 did, but I also know how good MacFarlane and the writers are at doing long-term storytelling that spans multiple seasons. I guess I got overexcited about the possibility of this team pulling off a grand, 10-episode epic because I know they'd be so good at it.
The problem is character growth happens linearly in response to stumuli. So episodic production is not what creates growth. The conflict was escalating, and the comprimises the Planetary Union was forced to make to form a unified force with moclans and krill against kaylon would have forced them to mach choices they didnt like. Here is a 4th season Orville short fiction series beginning with the aftermath of the destruction of Kaylon by Ed Mercer. Backed into a corner Ed might resort to Genocide... Parts 1-5: drive.google.com/file/d/1oZnZUrNBfOLsGTdTsxkT9X0TahDAiW2L/view?usp=drivesdk Part 6-10: drive.google.com/file/d/1oOE1LvujywWGLNaOejkvQfin18Y0VDIw/view?usp=drivesdk Part 11-15: drive.google.com/file/d/13m4jVkbqN1jdjypRYQYo8CHsZoCq-GmE/view?usp=drivesdk It sets up two new series: one where kelly is Captain of the Orville, and the other where Ed Mercer is not. Ed deciding the only win was genocide, pushing him to make increasingly desperate choices until he looses the Orvile, and his actions cost the lives of many others, and Kelly who must accept being Captain and take responsibility for the crew's lives. Character growth.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos I think in a way they did provide it, with the way the characters grew. It was subtle but you got to see them change in reaction to events which cumulated into a wedding. I believe the main reason Babylon 5 and the Expanse did so well is because they were crafted on story structures that were already completed. Characters and events had finite definable arcs. Deep Space 9 did not so you got a rambling story that tried to reset for different writers as apposed to one creators over arching vision. But as I stated before I love the episodic nature. I’ve watched Trek for longer than I care to admit. I’m always willing to try something new but when you are unsure you need some familiar comfort food.
@@SMunro Wow, that's incredible! I love the idea of Mercer being put in a position where there are no great choices and he might have to go against the Union's ideals. I think you did a great job nailing the characters' voices too. I also liked the dialogue-heavy style of the prose. (MacFarlane himself wrote an Orville novel that, if I'm being critical, seemed a little too pleased with its own prose. I think you captured the tone of the show a bit better with your approach.) Really impressive!
@@ShawnBRyanVideos I'll say this, I am surprised by Seth McFarlane. I was introduced to him through Ted movies but never watched his prior adult cartoons but knew about them (I am not a fan of those). He came across as this typical Boston stereotype but he is quite observant, humble, and charitable. I guess he had to mask his love for the theatre with this easy going/ drinker/ man's man because that's cooler than being a theater kid. He fooled me.
Honestly, I found the episodic format a breath of fresh air. I actually liked how they moved it along, while i loved the first 2 seasons, I felt the third was were it really found its stride because it dropped a lot of the childishness that was in seasons 1 and 2.
I think you're right about the show's tone. It felt like, free of Fox's requirements, the show's writers were able to make the kind of show that they wanted to make, without all the jokes.
The point of the Orville always was a return to the method of Early Star Trek, episodic storytelling all the way. Although the way the Kaylon were handled made it seem a more imminent threat, they were a stand in for how the Borg were treated in TNG, a galaxy wide threat that was only actually seen one or two episodes per season, I was surprised to see them concluded this season, but the unknown future of the show must have made them decide to do it as is. The New Horizons naming was done to indicate the longer episodes with a more movie like style in each episode, as well as the change in network, although you are,correct that can be confusing.
Season 3 was too different and couldn't pull off these character moments for me. I'm very disappointed and I hope they return to form with the next 4th season, if it's coming
I don't know, I think they actually landed the payoffs massively in the last few episodes of the season. They climaxed the stories of the Krill, Kaylon and Moclan as well as several character arcs in a non-stop barrage of pay-offs. Also while it got episodic, it never forgets past episodes which is the best form of light serialization. Payoffs happen constantly for those who watched the whole season.
I personally didnt mind the shift in episodes each having their own focus...the Kaylon was always a problem but like most wars Id imagine there isnt ALWAYS something going on minute by minute...the shift in alliance was neat...
Yeah, I feel like my problem was due to my inaccurate expectations of what they were trying to do. If I had just been expecting season 3 of "The Orville" instead of "The Orville: New Horizons," I think I probably would have been less surprised by what it ended up being.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos That's fair the tone changed a tad in Season 3 but oddly enough i enjoyed it since alot of the issues the episodes focused on actually spoke on real life stuff which I appreciated
@@Jaye3rd89 This is exactly why season 3 left me underwhelmed. To me, the first two seasons of The Orville where a worthy homage to the original Star Trek. It was mostly light escapism, but, as with Star Trek, there was also social commentary in there if you wanted to look for it. The Orville: New Horizons was a pivot to Star Trek: The Next Generation which, as the series went on, turned more and more towards "Can't we all just get along?" social allegories. I realize our society has problems (such as transphobia.) I know that ignoring them or denying their existence will not make them go away and will only let them fester as time goes on, but dammit, can't I just enjoy and hour or so of TV without constantly being reminded of how screwed up things are? (Sorry to be old and cranky.)
I love how you always have an interesting way of approaching your topics from a not quite straight forward way. I don't know if that sentence made any sense and I hope it didn't sound like a criticism. I can very much understand your feeling on the Orville. It was SUCH a long wait to get here, and what we received was AMAZING in both production value and concept, but if you were looking for a 10 episode "movie" or story-arc, it fell way short. I loved it for what it was. My biggest issue was the "rushed" feeling of some of the stories. The Klyden 'Redemption,' the Kaylon weapon and the Gordon/Topa 'relationship' seemed to come too quickly and have too little time to breathe. I take that as a combination of the shortened seasons shows are given these days, and the creative uncertainty as to whether they will get anything beyond this season.
Ha! Thanks for your nice comment! Yeah, I agree that some of the plotlines weren't quite given the space that I would have liked. If the season had been just a few episodes longer, I think you're right that they would have seemed less rushed.
This whole presentation is going in circles. It's really hard to take a puppet saying a TV show's tone is wrong when they are talking behind a puppet. I liked all of the callbacks. It created a world building aspect you don't see in a lot of shows. With a little bit of editing, you can make all of these episodes into a 90 minute movie, more or less.
I think season 3 was the best yet, clearly hitting its stride it was superb character development that I actually care about in 20 seasons of Star Trek Discovery I know Burnham and Suru, I couldnt tell you who the others are nor do I care about them. Orville, youve got Ed, Kelly, Bortus, Issaic, Gordon, Claire, Talla, Topa, Clyden, John, and in this season especially Charly who went from an annoying character to a character that forgave Issaic and saved everyone in self sacrafise and changed the outcome of the Kaylon conflict. The Most Trek show out there and long may it continue
@Shawn Ryan, I’ll start by complimenting the eloquence of your commentary. While your observations on season 3 were largely positive you did sound let down which you attributed to your expectations of what this season could have been. I agree that episodic is the most accurate description of this season and therefore understand disappointment if you were expecting a more cohesive narrative. You wrote in response to a comment that you were as impressed with season 3 upon rewatching it as you had been with seasons 1 and 2. My thoughts about the way this season turned out are tempered by the circumstances and occurrences we’re all aware of that existed during it’s production. A long interruption due to Covid-19 and the extensive restrictions imposed when filming was allowed, the move to Hulu, the breakup and divorce of two of the principal actors, and the question of would this also be the final season of the series. With all of that in mind, I was impressed by the quality of the writing and how many loose ends and plot lines they were able to advance and close. I don’t know at what point in the writing process Seth learned the length of the episodes would be expanded but it might have required adding a few filler stories. That could have been why some episodes felt disconnected from the rest of the season. Episodes 2, 3, and even 6 while excellent could’ve been afterthoughts. I grew up on Star Trek and watched each episode when they originally debuted. I rather enjoyed the way each one told a complete story. Like you, I thought this third season of The Orville was as “fantastic” as the first two.
Thanks for the great comment! I think you make some great observations about the conditions surrounding the making of this season. It's a testament to everyone involved that I honestly forgot all about them while I was watching the show. And in retrospect, of course a 10-episode narrative about the Kaylon war probably would have gotten old. But boy does it seem like that's what the trailers were setting up!
Solid video 🤜🤛 I really hope this show stays on for many seasons to come. If not, like you said, it will be long remembered and find a new audience for years to come!
Thanks! And yeah, I hope the show returns for many more seasons. It seems to be getting very prominent placement on Disney+ since it's joined the service in the US, so let's hope fans of the MCU and Star Wars will discover it.
Episodic is what trek is all about! Strange new worlds, new life, new civilizations, every week! The Orville is sticking true to it's roots and doing it in an epic way. I'd like to think that the Orville's success is what encouraged CBS to do comedy with Lower Decks and an episodic show like Strange New Worlds.
Yeah, I'm generally pro-episodic as well. But I also know that a lot of modern season-long arcs tend to fall apart by the end, and I know that MacFarlane and company would almost certainly knock one out of the park. Whether or not they do it with the Orville, I'd love to see MacFarlane tackle that challenge at some point.
Honestly, i cannot see why ANYone would have expected this season to change the episodic story telling ... It was and IS a refreshing difference to moat any other actual TV-show. I loved every minute of it and really hope that it will get a 4th, 5th ,.... season. Crossing all my fingers here.
The Orville is what it is, an episodic show but with change and story continuity (the order of episodes matters, and there is no episodic reset button) . Some might say the best of both worlds. And this season it got really good at doing it. Maybe I just enjoy being in this universe and with these characters as I don't find any of these episodes drag, and I rejoiced in episodes having the space to let characters interact more. And life goes on, even during a war. To me this season was at least 50% better than I was expecting - season 2 had mostly good and a few great episodes. This had 8 great episodes, and as I write that I'm wondering if I'm underpraising. It made me cry several times, which isn't something I usually do at TV. I just hope we get more. 😀
You make a great point about the balance between episodic plots and narrative continuity. There's a very specific balance that I think the Orville has worked hard to find for itself. Yeah, my comment about pacing is totally subjective and relatively minor. And it might just be because seasons 1 and 2 were so tightly paced that the longer season 3 runtimes took a little getting used to. I hope we get more too!
The Orville was one of the better Syfy shows in a while it was very well written and funny it had a little of everything I hope we get more and if they don't do a season four I think that will be a fail with all the bad tv out there it would be a shame not to get more of this great show
All fair points, but I didn't really feel the same way (possibly because I had nearly forgotten that the show existed since season 2 ended). I really enjoyed the season myself and I hope we get more.
My episode ranking is: 10-mortality paradox: (kinda boring ngl, could have been so much more, the ending was not satisfying) 9-shadow relms (should have been more krill focussed, started really strong but continued unsatisfying) 8-twice in a life time: (amazing concept, good execution, really didn't like the lady Gordon saw, she was unrealistic, also was 15 minutes too long) 7- tale of two topas: (great story, great set up for later episodes too, I feel like there should have been a light hearted element to the story also, like classic Orville) 6-electric sheep:(great beginner, great set up for Charlie's character however I thought she was a bit of a flop evebthough her sacrifice was well done, loved the suicide element and how they dealt with it) 5-midnight blue: (just a great episode and felt like a movie to me, pasing was brilliant, however didn't like the tease for a Kelly and bortus relationship intentional or not) 4- from unknown graves-(loved a lot about this episode, the kaylon origins was handled amazingly along with the funny Genesee storyline of that matriacle society, however didn't like Isaac getting emotions it was so annoying to me) 3-gently falling rain: (I don't know why but I was so fascinated in this episode and I feel like it is really underrated, tala, the krill everything was brilliant eds daughter aswell, great, didn't like the touch on abortion tho, felt forced but that was so small didn't take anything away from me) 2-Domino: (what a finale, well almost finale, no gripes j love this episode too bits) 1-future unknown: (such a good episode, so chill for the finale, I liked the hope that this episode gave, no real threat j a story tying everything up beautifully, great way to end, did find the lack of mention of Charlie weird, but I didn't really like her so owell) What's yalls list?
Yeah, I would tend to agree with your observations about the individual episodes. What's interesting is that your two lowest ranked episodes were also the second and third episodes of the season. The show really didn't put its best foot forward, did it? My list: 1) Midnight Blue: I loved angry, vengeful Bortus. Everything about this episode felt satisfying and earned. 2) From Unknown Graves: I like that this episode took its time and didn't shy away from the horrors of what happened on Kaylon. It was half Orville and half Twilight Zone episode. 3) Twice in a Lifetime: The ending made this episode great, with Gordon tragically dismissing his former family and the life he'd led. Just heartbreaking. 4) Gently Falling Rain: A great exploration of the Krill, continuing to add depth to their depiction. 5) Electric Sheep: A great resetting of the table and a sensitive depiction of a difficult subject. 6) A Tale of Two Topas: Again, a difficult issue handled well. 7) Domino: Mostly good, but the Union gained the upper hand too easily with its new weapon. A more prolonged struggle would have felt more satisfying 8) Future Unknown: As a series finale, it works. As an episode in its own right, it's a bit light. 9) Shadow Realms: Standard sci-fi stuff. 10) Morality Paradox: More standard sci-fi stuff, but without high enough stakes to make it as interesting as mutant spiders.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos I like your take, your placement of twice in a life time and future unknown shock me, I don't know what it is but I just can't watch twice in a lifetime something about it just doesn't feel right to me, the concept is great, there's this one moment in it where Laura I think her name was told gorden that "she knew deep down that he wasn't from this place", like if I found out my partner was a damn timetraveller from the future I'd probs be a lil bit more shocked. Everything else was good tho the ending was emotional. Also future unknown being so low shocked me I love that episode, I still go back to it now just for laughs cause I find it rlly funny, nice way to end, but I like that it is a show where people have different opinions on the episodes
I think Season 3 had many missed opportunities to tell independent stories while still keeping the Kaylon War as a constant element in the background. For example, "Shadow Realms" would be a far better episode if the Union set aside the Krill religious imagery but still concluded there was something extremely dangerous, something that might be recruited or adapted into weapon against the Kaylon, which would be a rational use of an exploratory vessel in wartime. Instead it was a weak episode because exploration for the sake of exploration in the middle of a war of extermination did not make sense, and the Union was dismissing Krill warnings purely out of bigotry.
Yeah, there are more than a few missed opportunities in that episode. Part of me wonders if it was a mistake including the Krill in the story at all. After you feature the Krill Empire in the first act, a few mutant spiders just seem less threatening in comparison.
I loved the orville. Season one was limited to what fox asked. season 2 gave me chills. Season 3 thru me on the wall. i really loved it. I do want to know what happens with Anaya andTeleya. I want to see John Lamar and Talla. I want some way to get back Charlie back. Yes, I want my orville back for several more years.
I just watched half of your video. And I have to ask, did you actually watch this season? Or the episodes your referencing? You say they ignored the Kaylon threat and site a few episodes as proof. Oh and every episode you referenced was about the Kaylon! The first episode about Isaac, a Kaylon, who essentially committed suicide because everyone was angry with him about the Kaylon war. The episodes with Topa. The Union didn’t want to help Topa because they needed the Moclan as allies. To fight the Kaylon! The Kaylon where mentioned MANY times in that episode. How where they ignored? Oh and finally, the Time travel episode where they where protecting a time travel super weapon from who….? Oh the Kaylon! Who also attacked them in that episode. So yeah totally ignored in that one too, right? Then there is the new character, who you also said had nothing to do with the Kaylon, but her whole back story and entire character arch centered around… the Kaylon. I’ve stoped watching this because I’ve decided you,very obviously, don’t know what your talking about. Everything you say is wrong.
First, I want to thank you for your comment that makes some very good points. You clearly know the series very well, and you took a lot of time to explain where I made some mistakes. I absolutely could have phrased my criticism of the show a bit better. I will spoil the second half of the video: I end up explaining why I was wrong for disliking season 3 initially. My problems with season 3 came from my incorrect expectations. Based on the teaser trailer depicting a high-octane Kaylon attack destroying the Orville, I thought that we were in for a more action-packed, less episodic season depicting the Union at war. (I also thought the expanded runtime, the show's new title, the new intro sequence, and the switch to streaming indicated there would be a switch in tone as well.) My expectations of the third season were inaccurate. It was totally my own fault. After I rewatched the episodes with a better perspective, I enjoyed them a lot. Anyway, I hope this maybe helps clear things up. I wasn't being sarcastic when I thanked you for leaving a comment. You make a really good point about the writers incorporating the Kaylon threat into narratives where it wasn't necessarily the primary focus. And I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the video.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos Ok, now I regret disliking your vid. So I’ll add a like to it too. I should have watched the entire vid before my rant. 🙄 Not that what I said was wrong. But I still apologize. I had gotten the impression that this was another vid about someone angry that the Orville episodes made some controversial political statements, that some people disagree with. And instead of just saying that. They say it should have been more about the Kaylon. This is a ridiculous argument in my opinion. Since almost every episode in the season involved the Kaylon in some way. But since this isn’t what you appear to be saying, I will again apologize for jumping to conclusions. If I see a vid of your again, I’ll make sure to watch it all before commenting. Lol.
@@kcfrances4500 Ha! Honestly, I'm glad you watched half of it. This channel's still pretty small, and I need all the views I can get! Part of the reason I began the video in a negative place was because I knew there were other people who felt some disappointment in season 3 (especially in the early episodes). I had seen reviews and comments expressing a lot of the same frustrations that I'd had. By starting the review in a negative place and explaining my change of heart, I was hoping that people who didn't like season 3 could be convinced that, no, actually season 3 was pretty good. Or at the very least, they might be willing to give it a second shot.
I actually enjoyed Orville season 3 and definitely appreciate the changes somewhat. I actually don't mind the crude humour to a certain degree because I actually like Family Guy/American Dad type of humour. A dash of silliness is what makes Orville different from other Sci-Fi series.
I answered loved this season. I've that the cast isn't stupid because of the plot. I loved everything about this season. I've loved every season. Great show!
I agreed with your take on how the Orville got good, but I disagree with this video. I feel like the third season ramped up the good stuff from season 2. I really felt like we were going in the right direction and my mouth is watering for season 4. Edit: ahh, I got to point 3. I agree with you again lol
I will have to disagree that season three is a dissapointment. Very first episode has left me speechless with how amazingly it tackled the topic of suicide. after that the show had it's ups and downs but it's ups were the best in the series yet in my opinion. The season 3 was... different. I can understand why some people might have disliked that but I myself had thoroughly enjoyed it.
After watching Season 3 you can finally see the characters evolving and moving into more important roles. The episodic nature of The Orville was perfect because you could move around and still keep up with the overall storyline. If you go back back to Season 1 & 2 and watch the episodes you can see how season 3 works. You can’t use Star Trek as your barometer and the force it into this show. You can’t just do 10 straight shows of the Kaylon situation and then continue to forget about the evolution of the characters if your trying to push to get a season 4.
Recognize the season is disappointing, still blame himself for it. What kind of mental gymnastic is that ? The pacing , the inconsistencies , the lack of logic , the insufferable new character, The heavy handed messages ....
I am shocked anyone has this take. I think the universal and overwhelming feedback, from myself included, is this was the absolute top tier season of the show, the one that completely wiped away it's legacy as Trek parody and cemented it if not a successor, a worthy alternative that is better than the franchise that inspired it now.
Yeah, I think the early episodes of season 3 especially were what threw me for a loop. They felt so disconnected from the expectations that the show's marketing had set up for season 3, I really wasn't sure what the show was getting up to. It took me a while to step back and see what was happening.
I think season 3 is just as good as season 2, it changed networks so it needed to keep old viewers and make new viewers think they didn't miss much so far. All the episodes were just as good.
I agree. Really, my issue was that my expectations of the third season were inaccurate. Based on the teaser trailer, the new title, the expanded runtime, and the move to streaming, I was expecting the show's tone and focus to change. Obviously, I was wrong. If I'd gone into the third season expecting something more similar to the first two, I probably wouldn't have been so surprised. Once I readjusted my expectations, I enjoyed it a lot.
You set yourself up for disappointment by expecting something the show never was and never claimed to be. The Orville is episodic by design, as original Star Trek was. Even the previous season you seem to praise so much for the Kaylon war, after Identity, Part 2, the show returned to it's normal episodic format. There's was never any indication they were going to make every episode a Kaylon episode just because they had a successful Kaylon 2-parter. So why would you believe they were suddenly serializing the entire show just because of a subtitle? "New Horizons" could have signified anything. Most people understood it to refer to the move to Hulu, longer runtimes and bigger budgets. You can't blame the show tor not being something it never set out to be just because of your interpretation of a subtitle.
In my defense, if you go back and watch that season 3 teaser that depicted the Orville being decimated by a Kaylon army, it REALLY seems like the show was setting up a big tonal change. The Kaylons were wiping out the Union fleet and the Orville itself had been severely damaged! Dozens of crewmembers were dead, multiple ships were destroyed, an evil Kaylon troop had boarded the Orville, AND THIS WAS JUST IN THE TEASER TRAILER!!! Of course, all that ended up being a dream sequence. And while my expectations of season 3 were wrong, I do feel that the show's marketing team helped to set them.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos I c an see that, but watch that teaser again. ua-cam.com/video/m2dcVdNJtSQ/v-deo.html They expose in that teaser that it was a dream based on where they ended it, and it was followed by a very hopeful intro, so I saw it but I never assumed it was representative of every single episode. I was looking for there to probably be an arc, like Season 2, but definitely not a Dominion War 10 episode serialized run.
I wasn't terribly impressed by the season, but it was still good. My criticisms: 1) Most of the episodes felt padded. A few exceptions, but I think most would be improved by cutting 15-30 minutes. 2) All but one episode (the Alien homage with spiders) were either concerned with the on-going subplots or sequels to previous stories. Nothing wrong with this kind of thing, but it just felt like it turned inward in a way that is seldom healthy for a show... basically, they ain't boldly going and creating enough new stuff. 3) the major on-going Kaylon War thrust the Orville into a position that is at odds with what I think is the show's charm. The Orville is a mid-tier vessel in the fleet, not the flagship (as the Enterprise always is), so the slightly unprofessional was in keeping with their status in the fleet. Now, they're essentially THE ship of the fleet and I feel like something was lost. Nothing show breaking, but I like how they seldom played for all the marbles in the past with lower stakes. Now, the Union is in crisis almost constantly with the Orville being the only ship that stands between them and disaster... and I've seen that show before.
I think you make some really good points. I hadn't really noticed how much they worked to make the Orville the center of the Union fleet, and how some of the show's charm was lost in the process.
I can't disagree with your thoughts more. You were right about one thing. YOU WERE WRONG. The Orville was ALWAYS supposed to be episodic. Where did you get the idea that it was supposed to be serialized? If you want one storyline, then stick to STD. That will work out fine for you.
I’m a simple man, season 1 and 2 were goofy and funny. Season 3 got serious, philosophical and boring except for episode 3, 6 and 9 which were more akin to season 1 and 2 styles. The rest are just boring WOKE feminist Brie Larson crap fest.
While we all know everyone is entitled to thier own taste and opinion, this is the internet and as such im forced to hyper focus on something i imagined you said and go into a full tantrum. Judging by historical examples this course of action will win me the whitehouse.
I think that it adds to my enjoyment of the show. Thinking about why certain choices were made makes me appreciate them more, and learning more about the creative process of making the show makes the show more fun to watch.
I found it watchable. Very rarely funny and there was a lot of dubious shots, clichéd tropes and cheap gags. It felt very American in humour and production. Being in the UK, watching on Disney plus I mostly got away with it. But there was so many dissatisfied elements to the overall orville programme.
I think that's a really interesting perspective. You've also got me considering about my own biases now, as I didn't even register how American the show's perspective is and how exclusively American its futuristic version of Earth is. That's not something I'll be able to unsee!
Were we watching the same show I'm from the UK and it was superb head and shoulders above anything on Trek intelligently written.....Is it season 3 you are critiquing or the first season because that frist season Mcfarlarne was playing the long game to get the show made, by injecting family guy humour that dissapears as time goes on to the point its non existent in season 3. I just cant see how you you got that expereince from Season 3 Season 1 sure but not Season 3 and not with the Orville taken collectively
Linguistic Archaeology is about how cultures develop language use: applying it to fictional cultures like Krill and Moclans: Moclans: drive.google.com/file/d/1_BT1kcue0_OlgqhCqcqfBKJlBQpbFW__/view?usp=drivesdk Krill: drive.google.com/file/d/1uXl3WACwypnVw1T6fYLEw9mW2BzIpcqY/view?usp=drivesdk
Wow, that's fantastic! I know folks have done projects looking at Star Trek's use of language, but it's interesting that a series that only has 36 episodes could benefit from this kind of analysis.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos i think it will allow writerrs to write about events in early moclan and krill civilization rather than give the krill human strip clubs... Reddit r/orville suggested the krill wine was made from fermented heretic blood (as a joke) but it seems more alien for them to do things that are alienating so when they talk harves, its more likely a harvest of organs than the harvest of fruit on a fruit tree. For the krill, their culture had culturally plateaued with religion. The great market is now the source of its cultural influx. Moclans on the otherhand dont have words to discuss gender reassignment. They have everything other than that.
If you want a grand sweeping space opera epic, it doesn't get any more grand or sweeping than Legend of the Galactic Heroes, both the original 80's version and the more recent and ongoing remake: Legend of the Galactic Heroes Die Neue Thesis. It's absolutely supreme, realistic space battles inspired by real navel strategy, deep characters, intriguing politics, it has it all.
Ooh, I've never heard of that, but it does sound like it might be up my alley. My knowledge of anime is non-existent, so I'll take a good recommendation where I can get one! Thanks!!
@@ShawnBRyanVideos the original is available only on Hidive, and the remake is available on CRUNCHYROLL, with an enish dub available. Season 4 of the remake is in production, and will likely air next year.
I disagree with your take. I didn’t need or want the Orville to be a grand sweeping space opera. That was expertly done with Babylon 5 and the Expanse. Not only that it has been so poorly done with modern Trek. The episodic shows were well written and very entertaining. Franchise are that stable copies of a master model. The Orville served a very much needed familiarity in escapism that Trek fans were not getting. DS9 could get away with a grand sweeping story because it was sandwiched by the episodic familiarity of TNG and Voyager. Personally I feel the Orville has given us some of the best “Star Trek.” Which I can speak only for myself was desperately needed.
I ended up enjoying what season 3 did, but I also know how good MacFarlane and the writers are at doing long-term storytelling that spans multiple seasons. I guess I got overexcited about the possibility of this team pulling off a grand, 10-episode epic because I know they'd be so good at it.
The problem is character growth happens linearly in response to stumuli. So episodic production is not what creates growth. The conflict was escalating, and the comprimises the Planetary Union was forced to make to form a unified force with moclans and krill against kaylon would have forced them to mach choices they didnt like.
Here is a 4th season Orville short fiction series beginning with the aftermath of the destruction of Kaylon by Ed Mercer. Backed into a corner Ed might resort to Genocide...
Parts 1-5: drive.google.com/file/d/1oZnZUrNBfOLsGTdTsxkT9X0TahDAiW2L/view?usp=drivesdk
Part 6-10: drive.google.com/file/d/1oOE1LvujywWGLNaOejkvQfin18Y0VDIw/view?usp=drivesdk
Part 11-15: drive.google.com/file/d/13m4jVkbqN1jdjypRYQYo8CHsZoCq-GmE/view?usp=drivesdk
It sets up two new series: one where kelly is Captain of the Orville, and the other where Ed Mercer is not. Ed deciding the only win was genocide, pushing him to make increasingly desperate choices until he looses the Orvile, and his actions cost the lives of many others, and Kelly who must accept being Captain and take responsibility for the crew's lives. Character growth.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos I think in a way they did provide it, with the way the characters grew. It was subtle but you got to see them change in reaction to events which cumulated into a wedding. I believe the main reason Babylon 5 and the Expanse did so well is because they were crafted on story structures that were already completed. Characters and events had finite definable arcs. Deep Space 9 did not so you got a rambling story that tried to reset for different writers as apposed to one creators over arching vision. But as I stated before I love the episodic nature. I’ve watched Trek for longer than I care to admit. I’m always willing to try something new but when you are unsure you need some familiar comfort food.
@@SMunro Wow, that's incredible! I love the idea of Mercer being put in a position where there are no great choices and he might have to go against the Union's ideals.
I think you did a great job nailing the characters' voices too. I also liked the dialogue-heavy style of the prose. (MacFarlane himself wrote an Orville novel that, if I'm being critical, seemed a little too pleased with its own prose. I think you captured the tone of the show a bit better with your approach.) Really impressive!
@@ShawnBRyanVideos I'll say this, I am surprised by Seth McFarlane. I was introduced to him through Ted movies but never watched his prior adult cartoons but knew about them (I am not a fan of those). He came across as this typical Boston stereotype but he is quite observant, humble, and charitable. I guess he had to mask his love for the theatre with this easy going/ drinker/ man's man because that's cooler than being a theater kid. He fooled me.
Honestly, I found the episodic format a breath of fresh air. I actually liked how they moved it along, while i loved the first 2 seasons, I felt the third was were it really found its stride because it dropped a lot of the childishness that was in seasons 1 and 2.
I think you're right about the show's tone. It felt like, free of Fox's requirements, the show's writers were able to make the kind of show that they wanted to make, without all the jokes.
The Orville has just gotten better and better. I think Season Three was amazing and thought-provoking, even out-Star Trekking Star Trek.
Even though I miss the sense of humour of the first two seasons, it is undeniable it has become a bigger show. I do not trust this puppet.
The point of the Orville always was a return to the method of Early Star Trek, episodic storytelling all the way. Although the way the Kaylon were handled made it seem a more imminent threat, they were a stand in for how the Borg were treated in TNG, a galaxy wide threat that was only actually seen one or two episodes per season, I was surprised to see them concluded this season, but the unknown future of the show must have made them decide to do it as is.
The New Horizons naming was done to indicate the longer episodes with a more movie like style in each episode, as well as the change in network, although you are,correct that can be confusing.
Season 3 was too different and couldn't pull off these character moments for me. I'm very disappointed and I hope they return to form with the next 4th season, if it's coming
I don't know, I think they actually landed the payoffs massively in the last few episodes of the season. They climaxed the stories of the Krill, Kaylon and Moclan as well as several character arcs in a non-stop barrage of pay-offs.
Also while it got episodic, it never forgets past episodes which is the best form of light serialization. Payoffs happen constantly for those who watched the whole season.
I personally didnt mind the shift in episodes each having their own focus...the Kaylon was always a problem but like most wars Id imagine there isnt ALWAYS something going on minute by minute...the shift in alliance was neat...
Yeah, I feel like my problem was due to my inaccurate expectations of what they were trying to do. If I had just been expecting season 3 of "The Orville" instead of "The Orville: New Horizons," I think I probably would have been less surprised by what it ended up being.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos That's fair the tone changed a tad in Season 3 but oddly enough i enjoyed it since alot of the issues the episodes focused on actually spoke on real life stuff which I appreciated
@@Jaye3rd89 I agree totally. And watching the season a second time, with more accurate expectations, I thought it was as fantastic as the first two.
@@Jaye3rd89 This is exactly why season 3 left me underwhelmed. To me, the first two seasons of The Orville where a worthy homage to the original Star Trek. It was mostly light escapism, but, as with Star Trek, there was also social commentary in there if you wanted to look for it. The Orville: New Horizons was a pivot to Star Trek: The Next Generation which, as the series went on, turned more and more towards "Can't we all just get along?" social allegories. I realize our society has problems (such as transphobia.) I know that ignoring them or denying their existence will not make them go away and will only let them fester as time goes on, but dammit, can't I just enjoy and hour or so of TV without constantly being reminded of how screwed up things are? (Sorry to be old and cranky.)
I love how you always have an interesting way of approaching your topics from a not quite straight forward way. I don't know if that sentence made any sense and I hope it didn't sound like a criticism. I can very much understand your feeling on the Orville. It was SUCH a long wait to get here, and what we received was AMAZING in both production value and concept, but if you were looking for a 10 episode "movie" or story-arc, it fell way short. I loved it for what it was. My biggest issue was the "rushed" feeling of some of the stories. The Klyden 'Redemption,' the Kaylon weapon and the Gordon/Topa 'relationship' seemed to come too quickly and have too little time to breathe. I take that as a combination of the shortened seasons shows are given these days, and the creative uncertainty as to whether they will get anything beyond this season.
Ha! Thanks for your nice comment!
Yeah, I agree that some of the plotlines weren't quite given the space that I would have liked. If the season had been just a few episodes longer, I think you're right that they would have seemed less rushed.
This whole presentation is going in circles. It's really hard to take a puppet saying a TV show's tone is wrong when they are talking behind a puppet. I liked all of the callbacks. It created a world building aspect you don't see in a lot of shows. With a little bit of editing, you can make all of these episodes into a 90 minute movie, more or less.
Season 3 = BEST Season by far.
Each episode is like a cinematic movie.
Respect @seth McFarlane
YOU WILL BE SILENT! -Bortus
*silence*
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I think season 3 was the best yet, clearly hitting its stride it was superb character development that I actually care about in 20 seasons of Star Trek Discovery I know Burnham and Suru, I couldnt tell you who the others are nor do I care about them. Orville, youve got Ed, Kelly, Bortus, Issaic, Gordon, Claire, Talla, Topa, Clyden, John, and in this season especially Charly who went from an annoying character to a character that forgave Issaic and saved everyone in self sacrafise and changed the outcome of the Kaylon conflict. The Most Trek show out there and long may it continue
@Shawn Ryan, I’ll start by complimenting the eloquence of your commentary. While your observations on season 3 were largely positive you did sound let down which you attributed to your expectations of what this season could have been. I agree that episodic is the most accurate description of this season and therefore understand disappointment if you were expecting a more cohesive narrative. You wrote in response to a comment that you were as impressed with season 3 upon rewatching it as you had been with seasons 1 and 2. My thoughts about the way this season turned out are tempered by the circumstances and occurrences we’re all aware of that existed during it’s production. A long interruption due to Covid-19 and the extensive restrictions imposed when filming was allowed, the move to Hulu, the breakup and divorce of two of the principal actors, and the question of would this also be the final season of the series. With all of that in mind, I was impressed by the quality of the writing and how many loose ends and plot lines they were able to advance and close. I don’t know at what point in the writing process Seth learned the length of the episodes would be expanded but it might have required adding a few filler stories. That could have been why some episodes felt disconnected from the rest of the season. Episodes 2, 3, and even 6 while excellent could’ve been afterthoughts. I grew up on Star Trek and watched each episode when they originally debuted. I rather enjoyed the way each one told a complete story. Like you, I thought this third season of The Orville was as “fantastic” as the first two.
Thanks for the great comment! I think you make some great observations about the conditions surrounding the making of this season. It's a testament to everyone involved that I honestly forgot all about them while I was watching the show.
And in retrospect, of course a 10-episode narrative about the Kaylon war probably would have gotten old. But boy does it seem like that's what the trailers were setting up!
I didn't know about the talk that season 3 was about the war so i went into it blind and it absolutely blew me away with how good it was.
Solid video 🤜🤛 I really hope this show stays on for many seasons to come. If not, like you said, it will be long remembered and find a new audience for years to come!
Thanks! And yeah, I hope the show returns for many more seasons. It seems to be getting very prominent placement on Disney+ since it's joined the service in the US, so let's hope fans of the MCU and Star Wars will discover it.
Season 3 was okay but it fell apart in the last three episodes. Season 2 was awesome
life goes on even in chaotic times and make those moments even more important
Episodic is what trek is all about! Strange new worlds, new life, new civilizations, every week! The Orville is sticking true to it's roots and doing it in an epic way. I'd like to think that the Orville's success is what encouraged CBS to do comedy with Lower Decks and an episodic show like Strange New Worlds.
Yeah, I'm generally pro-episodic as well. But I also know that a lot of modern season-long arcs tend to fall apart by the end, and I know that MacFarlane and company would almost certainly knock one out of the park. Whether or not they do it with the Orville, I'd love to see MacFarlane tackle that challenge at some point.
Honestly, i cannot see why ANYone would have expected this season to change the episodic story telling ... It was and IS a refreshing difference to moat any other actual TV-show.
I loved every minute of it and really hope that it will get a 4th, 5th ,.... season.
Crossing all my fingers here.
The Orville is what it is, an episodic show but with change and story continuity (the order of episodes matters, and there is no episodic reset button) . Some might say the best of both worlds. And this season it got really good at doing it. Maybe I just enjoy being in this universe and with these characters as I don't find any of these episodes drag, and I rejoiced in episodes having the space to let characters interact more. And life goes on, even during a war. To me this season was at least 50% better than I was expecting - season 2 had mostly good and a few great episodes. This had 8 great episodes, and as I write that I'm wondering if I'm underpraising. It made me cry several times, which isn't something I usually do at TV. I just hope we get more. 😀
You make a great point about the balance between episodic plots and narrative continuity. There's a very specific balance that I think the Orville has worked hard to find for itself.
Yeah, my comment about pacing is totally subjective and relatively minor. And it might just be because seasons 1 and 2 were so tightly paced that the longer season 3 runtimes took a little getting used to.
I hope we get more too!
The Orville was one of the better Syfy shows in a while it was very well written and funny it had a little of everything I hope we get more and if they don't do a season four I think that will be a fail with all the bad tv out there it would be a shame not to get more of this great show
All fair points, but I didn't really feel the same way (possibly because I had nearly forgotten that the show existed since season 2 ended). I really enjoyed the season myself and I hope we get more.
Yeah, I ended up enjoying the season myself and I also hope we get more.
My episode ranking is:
10-mortality paradox: (kinda boring ngl, could have been so much more, the ending was not satisfying)
9-shadow relms (should have been more krill focussed, started really strong but continued unsatisfying)
8-twice in a life time: (amazing concept, good execution, really didn't like the lady Gordon saw, she was unrealistic, also was 15 minutes too long)
7- tale of two topas: (great story, great set up for later episodes too, I feel like there should have been a light hearted element to the story also, like classic Orville)
6-electric sheep:(great beginner, great set up for Charlie's character however I thought she was a bit of a flop evebthough her sacrifice was well done, loved the suicide element and how they dealt with it)
5-midnight blue: (just a great episode and felt like a movie to me, pasing was brilliant, however didn't like the tease for a Kelly and bortus relationship intentional or not)
4- from unknown graves-(loved a lot about this episode, the kaylon origins was handled amazingly along with the funny Genesee storyline of that matriacle society, however didn't like Isaac getting emotions it was so annoying to me)
3-gently falling rain: (I don't know why but I was so fascinated in this episode and I feel like it is really underrated, tala, the krill everything was brilliant eds daughter aswell, great, didn't like the touch on abortion tho, felt forced but that was so small didn't take anything away from me)
2-Domino: (what a finale, well almost finale, no gripes j love this episode too bits)
1-future unknown: (such a good episode, so chill for the finale, I liked the hope that this episode gave, no real threat j a story tying everything up beautifully, great way to end, did find the lack of mention of Charlie weird, but I didn't really like her so owell)
What's yalls list?
Yeah, I would tend to agree with your observations about the individual episodes. What's interesting is that your two lowest ranked episodes were also the second and third episodes of the season. The show really didn't put its best foot forward, did it?
My list:
1) Midnight Blue: I loved angry, vengeful Bortus. Everything about this episode felt satisfying and earned.
2) From Unknown Graves: I like that this episode took its time and didn't shy away from the horrors of what happened on Kaylon. It was half Orville and half Twilight Zone episode.
3) Twice in a Lifetime: The ending made this episode great, with Gordon tragically dismissing his former family and the life he'd led. Just heartbreaking.
4) Gently Falling Rain: A great exploration of the Krill, continuing to add depth to their depiction.
5) Electric Sheep: A great resetting of the table and a sensitive depiction of a difficult subject.
6) A Tale of Two Topas: Again, a difficult issue handled well.
7) Domino: Mostly good, but the Union gained the upper hand too easily with its new weapon. A more prolonged struggle would have felt more satisfying
8) Future Unknown: As a series finale, it works. As an episode in its own right, it's a bit light.
9) Shadow Realms: Standard sci-fi stuff.
10) Morality Paradox: More standard sci-fi stuff, but without high enough stakes to make it as interesting as mutant spiders.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos I like your take, your placement of twice in a life time and future unknown shock me, I don't know what it is but I just can't watch twice in a lifetime something about it just doesn't feel right to me, the concept is great, there's this one moment in it where Laura I think her name was told gorden that "she knew deep down that he wasn't from this place", like if I found out my partner was a damn timetraveller from the future I'd probs be a lil bit more shocked. Everything else was good tho the ending was emotional.
Also future unknown being so low shocked me I love that episode, I still go back to it now just for laughs cause I find it rlly funny, nice way to end, but I like that it is a show where people have different opinions on the episodes
I liked Charlie. Even after she revealed that she liked girls. Because every show now has to have at least one.
The first unemotional (or unpolitical) and logical take regarding "The Orville"...and it comes from an adorable Muppett. Well done.
S2 of The Orville ended with the conclusion of a two part time travel episode NOT the Kaylon invasion
I think Season 3 had many missed opportunities to tell independent stories while still keeping the Kaylon War as a constant element in the background. For example, "Shadow Realms" would be a far better episode if the Union set aside the Krill religious imagery but still concluded there was something extremely dangerous, something that might be recruited or adapted into weapon against the Kaylon, which would be a rational use of an exploratory vessel in wartime. Instead it was a weak episode because exploration for the sake of exploration in the middle of a war of extermination did not make sense, and the Union was dismissing Krill warnings purely out of bigotry.
Yeah, there are more than a few missed opportunities in that episode. Part of me wonders if it was a mistake including the Krill in the story at all. After you feature the Krill Empire in the first act, a few mutant spiders just seem less threatening in comparison.
I loved the orville. Season one was limited to what fox asked. season 2 gave me chills. Season 3 thru me on the wall. i really loved it. I do want to know what happens with Anaya andTeleya. I want to see John Lamar and Talla. I want some way to get back Charlie back. Yes, I want my orville back for several more years.
I just watched half of your video. And I have to ask, did you actually watch this season? Or the episodes your referencing? You say they ignored the Kaylon threat and site a few episodes as proof. Oh and every episode you referenced was about the Kaylon! The first episode about Isaac, a Kaylon, who essentially committed suicide because everyone was angry with him about the Kaylon war. The episodes with Topa. The Union didn’t want to help Topa because they needed the Moclan as allies. To fight the Kaylon! The Kaylon where mentioned MANY times in that episode. How where they ignored? Oh and finally, the Time travel episode where they where protecting a time travel super weapon from who….? Oh the Kaylon! Who also attacked them in that episode. So yeah totally ignored in that one too, right? Then there is the new character, who you also said had nothing to do with the Kaylon, but her whole back story and entire character arch centered around… the Kaylon. I’ve stoped watching this because I’ve decided you,very obviously, don’t know what your talking about. Everything you say is wrong.
First, I want to thank you for your comment that makes some very good points. You clearly know the series very well, and you took a lot of time to explain where I made some mistakes. I absolutely could have phrased my criticism of the show a bit better.
I will spoil the second half of the video: I end up explaining why I was wrong for disliking season 3 initially. My problems with season 3 came from my incorrect expectations. Based on the teaser trailer depicting a high-octane Kaylon attack destroying the Orville, I thought that we were in for a more action-packed, less episodic season depicting the Union at war. (I also thought the expanded runtime, the show's new title, the new intro sequence, and the switch to streaming indicated there would be a switch in tone as well.)
My expectations of the third season were inaccurate. It was totally my own fault. After I rewatched the episodes with a better perspective, I enjoyed them a lot.
Anyway, I hope this maybe helps clear things up. I wasn't being sarcastic when I thanked you for leaving a comment. You make a really good point about the writers incorporating the Kaylon threat into narratives where it wasn't necessarily the primary focus. And I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the video.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos Ok, now I regret disliking your vid. So I’ll add a like to it too. I should have watched the entire vid before my rant. 🙄 Not that what I said was wrong. But I still apologize. I had gotten the impression that this was another vid about someone angry that the Orville episodes made some controversial political statements, that some people disagree with. And instead of just saying that. They say it should have been more about the Kaylon. This is a ridiculous argument in my opinion. Since almost every episode in the season involved the Kaylon in some way. But since this isn’t what you appear to be saying, I will again apologize for jumping to conclusions. If I see a vid of your again, I’ll make sure to watch it all before commenting. Lol.
@@kcfrances4500 Ha! Honestly, I'm glad you watched half of it. This channel's still pretty small, and I need all the views I can get!
Part of the reason I began the video in a negative place was because I knew there were other people who felt some disappointment in season 3 (especially in the early episodes). I had seen reviews and comments expressing a lot of the same frustrations that I'd had. By starting the review in a negative place and explaining my change of heart, I was hoping that people who didn't like season 3 could be convinced that, no, actually season 3 was pretty good. Or at the very least, they might be willing to give it a second shot.
I actually enjoyed Orville season 3 and definitely appreciate the changes somewhat. I actually don't mind the crude humour to a certain degree because I actually like Family Guy/American Dad type of humour. A dash of silliness is what makes Orville different from other Sci-Fi series.
I answered loved this season. I've that the cast isn't stupid because of the plot. I loved everything about this season. I've loved every season. Great show!
I agreed with your take on how the Orville got good, but I disagree with this video. I feel like the third season ramped up the good stuff from season 2. I really felt like we were going in the right direction and my mouth is watering for season 4.
Edit: ahh, I got to point 3. I agree with you again lol
The greatest series ever created ❤
Agreed. Setting up the kaylon conflict gave it a continuity that wasnt focused on.
I loved this show. The grand arc was about Charley. #renewtheorville
The puppet is unsettling.
I will have to disagree that season three is a dissapointment. Very first episode has left me speechless with how amazingly it tackled the topic of suicide. after that the show had it's ups and downs but it's ups were the best in the series yet in my opinion. The season 3 was... different. I can understand why some people might have disliked that but I myself had thoroughly enjoyed it.
After watching Season 3 you can finally see the characters evolving and moving into more important roles. The episodic nature of The Orville was perfect because you could move around and still keep up with the overall storyline. If you go back back to Season 1 & 2 and watch the episodes you can see how season 3 works. You can’t use Star Trek as your barometer and the force it into this show. You can’t just do 10 straight shows of the Kaylon situation and then continue to forget about the evolution of the characters if your trying to push to get a season 4.
Recognize the season is disappointing, still blame himself for it. What kind of mental gymnastic is that ?
The pacing , the inconsistencies , the lack of logic , the insufferable new character, The heavy handed messages ....
Of course Bortus and Kelly are gonna hook up in season 4 - WHEN it happens.
I am shocked anyone has this take. I think the universal and overwhelming feedback, from myself included, is this was the absolute top tier season of the show, the one that completely wiped away it's legacy as Trek parody and cemented it if not a successor, a worthy alternative that is better than the franchise that inspired it now.
Yeah, I think the early episodes of season 3 especially were what threw me for a loop. They felt so disconnected from the expectations that the show's marketing had set up for season 3, I really wasn't sure what the show was getting up to. It took me a while to step back and see what was happening.
The expression "pulling x up by the bootstraps" means doing something that is impossible, it can't be done. It's a strange expression, I think.
I think season 3 is just as good as season 2, it changed networks so it needed to keep old viewers and make new viewers think they didn't miss much so far. All the episodes were just as good.
To me this was the best season the show ever had but everyone is entitled to how they see things.
I agree. Really, my issue was that my expectations of the third season were inaccurate. Based on the teaser trailer, the new title, the expanded runtime, and the move to streaming, I was expecting the show's tone and focus to change.
Obviously, I was wrong. If I'd gone into the third season expecting something more similar to the first two, I probably wouldn't have been so surprised. Once I readjusted my expectations, I enjoyed it a lot.
@@ShawnBRyanVideosWe all do that build up how we expect things to be it’s not just you, you expressed it well!
You set yourself up for disappointment by expecting something the show never was and never claimed to be. The Orville is episodic by design, as original Star Trek was. Even the previous season you seem to praise so much for the Kaylon war, after Identity, Part 2, the show returned to it's normal episodic format. There's was never any indication they were going to make every episode a Kaylon episode just because they had a successful Kaylon 2-parter. So why would you believe they were suddenly serializing the entire show just because of a subtitle? "New Horizons" could have signified anything. Most people understood it to refer to the move to Hulu, longer runtimes and bigger budgets. You can't blame the show tor not being something it never set out to be just because of your interpretation of a subtitle.
In my defense, if you go back and watch that season 3 teaser that depicted the Orville being decimated by a Kaylon army, it REALLY seems like the show was setting up a big tonal change. The Kaylons were wiping out the Union fleet and the Orville itself had been severely damaged! Dozens of crewmembers were dead, multiple ships were destroyed, an evil Kaylon troop had boarded the Orville, AND THIS WAS JUST IN THE TEASER TRAILER!!!
Of course, all that ended up being a dream sequence. And while my expectations of season 3 were wrong, I do feel that the show's marketing team helped to set them.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos I c an see that, but watch that teaser again.
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They expose in that teaser that it was a dream based on where they ended it, and it was followed by a very hopeful intro, so I saw it but I never assumed it was representative of every single episode. I was looking for there to probably be an arc, like Season 2, but definitely not a Dominion War 10 episode serialized run.
I wasn't terribly impressed by the season, but it was still good. My criticisms:
1) Most of the episodes felt padded. A few exceptions, but I think most would be improved by cutting 15-30 minutes.
2) All but one episode (the Alien homage with spiders) were either concerned with the on-going subplots or sequels to previous stories. Nothing wrong with this kind of thing, but it just felt like it turned inward in a way that is seldom healthy for a show... basically, they ain't boldly going and creating enough new stuff.
3) the major on-going Kaylon War thrust the Orville into a position that is at odds with what I think is the show's charm. The Orville is a mid-tier vessel in the fleet, not the flagship (as the Enterprise always is), so the slightly unprofessional was in keeping with their status in the fleet. Now, they're essentially THE ship of the fleet and I feel like something was lost.
Nothing show breaking, but I like how they seldom played for all the marbles in the past with lower stakes. Now, the Union is in crisis almost constantly with the Orville being the only ship that stands between them and disaster... and I've seen that show before.
I think you make some really good points. I hadn't really noticed how much they worked to make the Orville the center of the Union fleet, and how some of the show's charm was lost in the process.
Also let me just say that this whole muppet shtick you've got going g on here is freaking genius
As long as people ignore Season 1 and 2 and judge the Orville on Season 3 they will find the acting and storyline far superior to Star Trek.
I can't disagree with your thoughts more. You were right about one thing. YOU WERE WRONG. The Orville was ALWAYS supposed to be episodic. Where did you get the idea that it was supposed to be serialized? If you want one storyline, then stick to STD. That will work out fine for you.
I’m a simple man, season 1 and 2 were goofy and funny.
Season 3 got serious, philosophical and boring except for episode 3, 6 and 9 which were more akin to season 1 and 2 styles.
The rest are just boring WOKE feminist Brie Larson crap fest.
While we all know everyone is entitled to thier own taste and opinion, this is the internet and as such im forced to hyper focus on something i imagined you said and go into a full tantrum.
Judging by historical examples this course of action will win me the whitehouse.
President Ftagn? Hmm, it has a nice ring to it...
I hope ed doesn't end up with Kelly again.
I loved season 3 I thought it was awesome
I liked it alot
Why does everyone try to read into what the writers(seth)are thinking! Who cares! Its a good and fun show! Enought said!!
I think that it adds to my enjoyment of the show. Thinking about why certain choices were made makes me appreciate them more, and learning more about the creative process of making the show makes the show more fun to watch.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos Good point! I watch cause it good entertainment!
I thought that season 1 & 2 were funny and entertaining. Season 3 is mediocre and the jokes fall flat.
I found it watchable. Very rarely funny and there was a lot of dubious shots, clichéd tropes and cheap gags. It felt very American in humour and production. Being in the UK, watching on Disney plus I mostly got away with it. But there was so many dissatisfied elements to the overall orville programme.
I think that's a really interesting perspective. You've also got me considering about my own biases now, as I didn't even register how American the show's perspective is and how exclusively American its futuristic version of Earth is. That's not something I'll be able to unsee!
Were we watching the same show I'm from the UK and it was superb head and shoulders above anything on Trek intelligently written.....Is it season 3 you are critiquing or the first season because that frist season Mcfarlarne was playing the long game to get the show made, by injecting family guy humour that dissapears as time goes on to the point its non existent in season 3. I just cant see how you you got that expereince from Season 3 Season 1 sure but not Season 3 and not with the Orville taken collectively
Its now woke and slow. The writing doesn't match the higher production level.
Shawn, you have no taste.
Linguistic Archaeology is about how cultures develop language use: applying it to fictional cultures like Krill and Moclans:
Moclans: drive.google.com/file/d/1_BT1kcue0_OlgqhCqcqfBKJlBQpbFW__/view?usp=drivesdk
Krill: drive.google.com/file/d/1uXl3WACwypnVw1T6fYLEw9mW2BzIpcqY/view?usp=drivesdk
Wow, that's fantastic! I know folks have done projects looking at Star Trek's use of language, but it's interesting that a series that only has 36 episodes could benefit from this kind of analysis.
@@ShawnBRyanVideos i think it will allow writerrs to write about events in early moclan and krill civilization rather than give the krill human strip clubs...
Reddit r/orville suggested the krill wine was made from fermented heretic blood (as a joke) but it seems more alien for them to do things that are alienating so when they talk harves, its more likely a harvest of organs than the harvest of fruit on a fruit tree. For the krill, their culture had culturally plateaued with religion. The great market is now the source of its cultural influx. Moclans on the otherhand dont have words to discuss gender reassignment. They have everything other than that.
If you want a grand sweeping space opera epic, it doesn't get any more grand or sweeping than Legend of the Galactic Heroes, both the original 80's version and the more recent and ongoing remake: Legend of the Galactic Heroes Die Neue Thesis. It's absolutely supreme, realistic space battles inspired by real navel strategy, deep characters, intriguing politics, it has it all.
Ooh, I've never heard of that, but it does sound like it might be up my alley. My knowledge of anime is non-existent, so I'll take a good recommendation where I can get one! Thanks!!
@@ShawnBRyanVideos the original is available only on Hidive, and the remake is available on CRUNCHYROLL, with an enish dub available. Season 4 of the remake is in production, and will likely air next year.