I wish that they had a bigger Goody Addams arc with her founding that secret society. Like a parallel story arc, would of been cool. With time jumps back and forth.
i dont think shes really gone when she went into wednesday she said "you will never see me again" but her soul going into wednesday in a way to me makes me think they are now connected on a deeper level and maybe they will be able to mentally talk to each other. but thats just a wishful theory
I would have been so annoyed with the back and forth😅😭😭 I hate shows that ping back and forth between the past and present😭😭 Ya it could have been interesting but if not done well it would have just been annoying for many viewers who don’t enjoy that type of plot timeline
I definitely believe that the twist of tyler being the villain wasn't revealed to the actor before the day of shooting. He 100% is playing an infatuated love intrest, who likes Wednesday because shes interesting and different from anyone hes ever met. without a doubt, there was absolutely no subtlety of malicious intent to pick up on because the actor wasn't told he was the villain until the end of shooting
The actor said in an interview that in one of the last audition he was told that the caracter was a nice guy with a secret and he asked if it was THE secret, so he definitively knew before the day of the shooting
I don’t agree with you here. Maybe it’s cause I’m generally suspicious, but I questioned his sincerity from the first episode. And I was fairly certain he was the monster not long after that. That has to mean the actor was intentional in how he played it
oh that’s weird 😂 I knew right after Tyler accused Wednesday of sending him “mixed” signals (HOW she was literally deadpan 90% of the show) that something was fishy about him
@@mariane5564 unless he said they explicitly told him, I disagree that he knew. he gave absolutely no tells. plus it is a town full of dark secrets, it honestly seemed like every one of Wednesday's suspects thought they were in on the murders (nearly everyone had a motive). plus they even hint that Tyler's feelings were real (the pilgrim boys during the prank said "don't go soft on us like Tyler") if he did know then Hunter really sold it
What had me give it a second chance was the afterthought of: If generations of the Adams went to a school for the weird (which does in fact destroy the point of them being weird), it does provide a valid reason for them to believe that weird IS normal. It also explains all the references to the family's strange aquaintences made in the original show. Long story short I agree with both of the videos if that seems possible.
I'm going to give you the benefit of a doubt that spelling ADDAMS without the second D was entirely unintentional. Doing so is an act punishable by death. Ha!
@@giggles7179 It was unintentional, good catch. I was distracted thinking of apostrophes and almost put one after the "s" out of muscle memory, but that would've incorrectly shown ownership. That would have also been punishable by death, but not nearly as bad as putting one before the "s". That's worthy of death twice. :)
I think the main problem is the students are all normal high school tropes that happen to have supernatural powers rather than actually being odd characters.
I liked that the series dealt with a lot of gaslighting and problems that teenagers might not be aware of. Xavier seemed to be using Bianca's powers as a way of guilting and manipulating her when he was the one who was not invested in the relationship. I also liked that Wednesday was less judgmental than she was in the movie.
@@k.yleenicole yeahh laurel's confession as the villain made me so uncomfortable when she admitted to drugging him, torturing him, and acting physically close to him 🤢
@@Lilackity yea and at the end where Weems is pretending to be him and she gets so close to “him” and has her hands on “his” face! As a victim of being groomed, it was definitely very uncomfy
I don't think Xavier was manipulating her. She admits that she made "one mistake," which I assume means she must have used her powers on Xavier at least once in the past. He'd definitely be more on edge about it after it happens once.
Wednesday's child is full of woe. I haven't had access to the full Addams family library, but from what I have seen, this Wednesday seems to be more in touch with the comics core characterization of her as a somewhat timid, sensitive and intelligent child. If I had one criticism of the Adams Family Matters Wednesday, it would be that she's too confident. Arguably out of all of the core cast, Wednesday has had the most alterations, going from a timid child, to a normal one with unusual interests, to one with a flat affect and a slight sadistic streak, to a girl simply trying to fit in to be normal. Wednesday is at her best, I think, when these characteristics are nicely Blended, because while the other characters in the family have found their place and their interests, Wednesday hasn't. It allows her to have this in between perspective that fuels her intelligence. It seems like Wednesday is somewhat of an effort to bring all of her versions together, showing how someone contradictory person may not be contradictory at all. Wednesday is not just one thing, and the struggle that makes her compelling is figuring out how to balance all of the aspects of who she is. Thank you for letting me know that this show is actually rather good. I heard so many mixed opinions that when you said you had a name of it, I was prepared to drop it all together and not even think of watching it. Thanks!
You’re right about Family Value’s Wednesday being overly confident when she hypothesized the Cannonball will land on the floor first than the baby when in fact they both would hit the floor at the same time. Like that’s the only gripe I had was that
I've been a lifelong Addams Family fan (bordering on obsessive) and I have to say I don't know that Wednesday was actually developed enough prior to the 1990's films to say she had much of a defined character. Charles Addams created the individual family members in single-panel comics for The New Yorker; there wasn't much room to build character development beyond the children playing with alarming "toys" and occasionally tormenting each other in simple scenarios. The television show obviously couldn't have Lisa Loring and Ken Weatherwax do anything that would have been considered too controversial for the time, thus the children were much less a presence in the show. Christina Ricci's portrayal has pretty much cemented her image as a shockingly morbid child with a penchant for beheading dolls and spouting one-liners well beyond her years. I remember when the 1991 film was first released, NOBODY could speak about it without mentioning Christina Ricci. She pulled the rug out from every other of the highly accomplished actors in that film and her popularity resulted in Wednesday being a much more prominent character in the sequel. If the franchise will ever shake that image in future iterations of the family, it'll be far in the future. Jenna Ortega was great in the role and with how the character was expanded in the Netflix series, but it's virtually impossible for her iteration not to exist in Ricci's shadow. (As an aside, I have to thank you. For once, I'm not the only one writing full-length novels in UA-cam comments. Ha!)
@@giggles7179 yeah, I have that habit. I figure if people want to read them, they will read them. Also thank you for clarifying that beginning Wednesday did not have much development, as I don't have access to every Adams family thing and was worried I was missing something. I do think Wednesday was soft compared to earlier iterations still, but that might have been a lack of development.
like a lot of greek heroes her main flaw is her hubris. When she thinks she has the answer she does little to question it and doesn't listen to the people when they try and defend themselves, she quite literally almost ruined an innocent boys life.
i mean.. you could’ve just watched it for yourself.. you wrote a long message about the addams family so you obviously have an interest. why wait to see what others think? its 2023, EVERYTHING is hated and loved by MANY loud people. use your OWN judgement, not a voice on youtube.
Shawn you have no idea how refreshing it is to see a person who allows their ideas and opinions grow and evolve, humility is an absolute virtue, i was ready to hate on your previous video, but after i saw it, i thought your opinion (while i disagreed with it) was completely valid and nuanced. I havent seen this one yet, but i just needed to comment and tell you that im subscribing since i thought this turn was completely mature and awesome to see
Sorry I didn't see your comment until nearly two weeks after you left it! I really appreciate you saying that, and I'm grateful you subscribed! Genuinely my favorite part of making videos has been having my opinion challenged and getting a new perspective. I've gotten to enjoy a bunch of stuff that I would have otherwise dismissed! Thanks again for your comment, and sorry again that I missed it!
Incredibly refreshing to hear someone (on UA-cam) sharing about a genuine change of heart, especially about a show I genuinely enjoyed... Love the puppet/channel concept
So I have autism, I have been diagnosed since 2002, and when watching this show for the first and only time, I could already strongly relate to Wednesday and thought the same because I too have problems reading people, other things doesn't seem as clear as for "typical" "normal" people. I also don't give the same reactions and others would or my reactions seem on the flatter side so I have to force myself to give the proper one. I misread social ques etc. I don't think they intended her to be a character with autism but it was cool to relate to the main character. Even with the dancing scene, I've always never cared what others would think or how they'd dance, I danced to the beat of my own drums lol
Thank you for bringing up the Joseph crackstone using magic issue, I was so confused how that made sense if he hated magical beings so much?? I mean I get the hypocrisy of evil people so maybe that’s what they were going with but idk. Also the goody Addams ghost healing thing was a little far fetched even for a world where magic exists. I still lovedddd the show though. Those were my only issues with it really
Had you warhced shows where extreme healing powers are a thing, you you might have been more permissive with the Goody healing scene. Like, it WAS at a cost..and a pretty steep one
I was reading about the Salem witch trials and burnings of witches in history, and I came across “witch hunters” (yes these were real people apparently). They were not regarded with the same attitude by society and were instead praised because they were eliminating the witches, similar to how Crackstone is trying to get rid of the outcasts. These real witch hunters also allegedly used spells, herbs and trickery to get rid of witches, not just by killing them, so perhaps that’s where the show writers got the inspiration to give him magic.
I'm not a subscriber to the channel, just a passing Addams Family fan, but Joseph Crackstone and his family using magic, dark arts, is one of the most realistic things about the show. That and the sadism with which he wants to kill helpless people, while self-appointing himself as the savior, the good guy. In my personal opinion and with some evidence to back it up, fanatics of all kinds tend to be some of the biggest hypocrites out there. Back in the day, in WWII, the Germans, the swastika wearers, used as an example of the perfect race a Jewish baby, apparently they couldn't tell them apart from their own. Islamic terrorists have financed themselves, among other things, by selling drugs, except that it is forbidden by the Koran. Torquemada killed and tortured people in the name of the same god whose commandment says Thou shalt not kill. Or the sale of indulgences to absolve sins. A Borgia was pope. Leaders of X ideology wanting the people to live one way while they live another. The world is full of such examples.
I really really respect someone who can not only listen to feedback, reevaluate, and admit when they may be wrong, but can also emphasize the importance of kind and constructive comments. That is how we actually learn, listen, and grow with each other. Subscribed.
the ending to me felt bad and left me with so many questions 1- why was goody's story abandoned it was so interesting 2- why didn't we see goody kill crackstone and curse him 3- what happened with goody and her powers wednesday's mom said goody was a powerful witch but she couldn't control her powers 4- why everyone was telling wednesday to not trust her powers for no reason? her powers always helped her more than the people in her live 5- this always annoyed me if everyone in nevermore was a monster than WHY WAS EVERONE RUNNING AWAY AND AFRAID FROM A NORMIE (i get crackstone had a wand but still i really was they gave him more powers and made the school have a fight scene) 6- the fighting scene was so disappointing wedesday did nothing she was just standing there the whole time and it was annoying 6.5- they have showed wednesday fight before it was literally in the first ep idk why she didn't do anything she showed she knows how to use a bow/sword before yet they didn't do anything 7- why did she became dumber as the ep continued in the first eps wedday was more carefully and didn't go accusing people without enough evidences and in the end it was like IT WAS YOU- WHAT NO IT WAS YOU it was annoying i honestly have alot more but whatever ( also the cgi was so bad )
I'm not sure if I'm right, but, the last 4 episodes, weren't directed by Tim Burton. Maybe the fact that he wasn't there to mantain that coherent feel is the reason for your 7th question...
At least Wednesday not fighting back gave Bianca and Eugene some time to shine (although I agree with what a reactor said, they should have been wasps and not bees, bees are going to die after they sting you)
It was you....no...it was you 🤣 I know. It was terrible though how she constantly kept accusing people...especially Xavier. She accused him of everything under the sun. First she accused him of being elite & snobby...he wasn't. Then accused him of being the monster....he wasn't. If that wasn't bad enough, she never apologized to him for all those accusations. Nor did she apologize to her friend for manipulating her into going into the villains house.
I dont think at any point in this series Wendsday was an infatuated teenager and I dont think she has autism, I think she is Aro/Ace. Honestly alot of romantic social aspects go above our heads and her not catching very obvious signals, arguments with parents about not wanting romantic relationships in my life, boys wanting a relationship when i only want to do monster mysteries are all real experieces ive had as aro/ace. When she told her mom she doesnt want to be in love or get married and Morticia dismissed it I really felt that scene.
I loved the show, especially the acting. I also agree the villains kinda fell flat and felt one dimensional as well as the mystery plot reveal feeling very disconnected. Especially Tyler sort of fell flat as a character. His whole motivation is basically for the whole season that he’s angry, manipulated, and mind controlled. He’s probs gonna be a villain in season 2 in some way. I hope they give him some more depth than season 1. Also do you think he should be redeemed? (Sorry for the 50 million edits)
I really enjoyed Wednesday, but I fully agree with your opinion on the resurrection of the Pelgrim. It was too easy and not in line with what the big antagonist stood for. In that regard, it would have been even better that he'd kill himself as Wednesday pointed out the flawed logic of his return to the mortal realm in the way that he did. Or he could have turned on the person that used the magic to bring him back. It would have been more true to character. I also believe that, even if the first 4 or 5 episodes were very strong, you can already see the potential "Riverdale"/"Sabrina" pitfalls for season 2. It will partly have something to do with the growth arch that you see in all coming-of-age series and movies. Mainly the progress that Wednesday already made during the first season. You can't press reset on that. We all saw and loved how she grew as a person. You can applaud that kind of change in real life, but as a fictional character, it might change her in a way that she might become too unrecognizable. It's going to be a difficult balancing act going forward. I hope they can pull it off. We can only wait and see. But if it turns out that the story would become too weak, the makers should have the guts to say: "We told a fun story, portraited the iconic Wednesday in a nice contemporary way, and we had the opportunity to showcase great new acting talent to a wider audience. Let's keep it at that and don't spoil what we've accomplished thusfar." And also as an audience, we should realize that value lies in scarcity.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. This feels too much like Sabrina in that the first season was pretty okay and fun to watch and you could see the potential but it sets itself up for SO MANY plot holes and dead ends and I only see it getting worse from here.
@@daniellewalker256 it especially hurts my feelings, because I watched caos since 2018. If they went more with horror aspects, (something i really expected and wanted based off teasers) and actually planned out the world that they put their characters into (and also made characters BETTER) it would've definitely became another Stranger Things. Actress was great, the vibes were there, but they made a mistake of making the character basically too powerful. Like - in season 3 she would go to hell and get Nick back IN ONE EPISODE. When I saw trailers I thought it would be a major arc in the whole season, but this girlie just does it in 5 minutes. Also the editing - the fish eye thing from season 1 was so annoying... glad they changed it. Another thing is that they just rushed the show. Like season 2 came out 0,5 year later after the first season... I feel like show needs some kind of criticism and breathe some fresh air before just jumping into it. Another thing that they failed at was making Sabrina just enjoyable character. Like I said - I love Kieran Shipka in the role, but the character itself was giving off Mary Sue vibes. They tried to make perfect character that never ever fails and made the whole show look dumb and character turned out being this toxic person, who is selfish enough to think that she's always right. This girl solves some walmart rubik's cube in 10 minutes, while not even being a witch, even though father Blackwood spent like 20 years on it or smth. Why did the show made Ambrose, a 100 year old guy, have not only romantic, but also *sexual* relationship with Prudence who is 17/18???? (he also had a sexual something during s1 with all weird sisters and even Nick) Why didn't they just bury Sabrina in kain's grave after she died??? Why does the end of the show just ends with it gloryfiing suicide??? Sabrina's Parents' death isn't even explained?? Was it an accident??? Was it not? WE'LL NEVER KNOW I GUESS
Many years ago, two very famous critics in tandem reviewed Star wars. They hated it, one of them called it "the worst form of escapist trash". A couple of months later after it was burning up the media and breaking all kinds of box-office records they reviewed it again, the tone of the review pretended as though this was their FIRST time experiencing and reviewing it, AND THEY LOVED EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. Couldn't praise it highly enough. Another critic at the same time reviewed it and hated it. He presented all his criticisms in a reasoned and thought provoking manner but he rationally supported his dislike for the film. 25 years later Star Wars was getting an anniversary release, and he was asked to critique it again. His headline: "Star Wars; It was cr*p 25 years ago, and it's STILL cr*p now". I think you can guess which critic I have more respect for. Shawn has taken this one step further, he reviewed it and [IMO] made unfair snap judgements, seeming to jump on the youtube "Hate Everything" bandwagon. NOW he has more closely examined the show, and has had the good graces to clearly and plainly admit he was wrong. Shawn, you ALSO have my respect as a critic.
I'm excited for season 2 as having a stalker as the 'villain' of the season really feels a lot more grounded and could get more personal, possibly making Wednesday walk back on her newly found trust in people. Also I really hope they don't go along with giving her some type of romantic partner, I really don't think it fits the character at all, and to me it seems like she could be aromantic and asexual, as it takes her quite a while to even begin to realise either boy likes her.
ditto, i actually liked that part where she was at the corroners place and he poked her cheak and said she was already in a state of rigor mortis, like how do you do that? Does she just have rock hard skin or is she using some kind of steriods that do that? Idk but i thought it was funny but i need a bit more context there.
I think "Nevermore" it self could have it's own series and and now that the principle is dead have either of Wednesday's parent's take over that role or maybe even that weird Uncle Fester.
@@patmccrotch5436 i can see what you’re saying, but I think the actors are perfect, the issue is how Morticia and Gomez are characterized in this show. They don’t feel particularly true to the spirit of the original show.
It takes a brave Muppet to admit their mistake. I think you made really great points in both videos and I really enjoyed them ! You just gained a subscriber 😊
I watched your first video and agreed because I felt the same during the first episode. But as I kept watching I realized I had to keep watching and accept this series as it’s own individual thing. Once I separated it, I loved the other characters. Loved Bee Boy! Wednesday’s friendship with him was so sweet. Especially when she only shows love for Uncle Fester, Thing, and her family. As for the monster and zombie pilgrim, I agree felt kinda lazy. Rolled my eyes when I saw her wound be healed by a ghost. But I did have a laugh that the pilgrim who was set against magic and outcasts, was using dark magic. Hypocrite. And the supposed outcast with powers, stabbed him with a knife. Lol lazy? Maybe. But I thought it was kinda funny.
I felt that the whole Crackstone/Goody Addams thing was more of a way to give Wednesday more of a reason to feel connected to the school. It gave her a personal connection so she could spearhead the schools defense. It helped fast track her retribution arch and gave ger a reason to be viewed as a savior.
Didn't care for the show on my first watch and hated it even more on my second one. That being said that does not make the show bad it just makes it a show I hate and that's ok, i am glad people like this show and I hope those people enjoy the second season
Maybe you had more fun on the second look. But I would say your first take was much more interesting because you took into account the entire Addams Family development, which still makes solid sense.
As someone who never pays any attention to subscriber count, I had no clue you were a small channel (Loki knows how the UA-cam gods recommended you to me). I like that you do thoughtful analysis which (despite some click-baity titles) doesn't seem to be comforming to Internet Group Think or Hating On Popular Thing For Clicks, which seems to be the usual pop culture analysis on UA-cam. That I bothered to subscribe to your channel definitely puts it among rare company for a pop culture channel, most of whom seem to chase algorithms and having fairly standard opinions about everything. You tend to bring up points that never occurred to me.
I’m glad that you’re open to altering your initial impression. Personally, from a design standpoint, I don’t like the monster - however…another way to look at the character that became the monster - paying attention to the psychiatric analysis of that character (avoiding spoilers), the loss of a parent, emotional distance, apathy from the remaining parent and a blink and you’ll miss it, implied suicide attempt…(in the bathtub where this character screams underwater venting out their frustration/rage/anger/guilt)…extreme GRIEF can warp a person’s mind. And even after revealing themselves to Wednesday as the monster, you can see a glimmer of regret and pain there. They knew deep down they cared about Wednesday but the psychopathy is already in full effect, as well as the Hyde answering to its master bit that further complicates things…it’s how tragedy and personal inner struggles destroy a person. (I used they to avoid spoilers despite it being discussed in the video.) I deeply empathize with Enid, I am a perky, colorful artist with dyed hair, stuffed plushies, draperies and all that in my bedroom…thought i’m a full fledged adult in my 30’s. I still have a very toxic relationship with my mother and a disappointment to her as I not only was a late-bloomer but my chosen career is not what she constantly wanted and badgered me for. I also share a close and supportive bond with my father, much like Enid. She isn’t a “NOT REALLY A WEREWOLF”, SHE IS. She’s just a late bloomer. I also understand the daughter’s perspective in “living under your mother’s shadow” and wanting you, the daughter to follow in their footsteps, when you want to pave your own path - and that often creates a rift between a mother and a daughter. BEFORE, the CHILD Wednesday loved her mother and vise versa without question, as many young children do, but as they grow into their own person, conflict often arises when the mother has hopes and expectations that don’t meet with their daughter’s. Again, speaking from a mother-daughter’s perspective. While the series isn’t 100% perfect, don’t quite agree with several of your older points from the first video. I felt very deeply for most of the characters. The incredible amount of work Jenna Ortega did to prepare for this role is admirable. She learned languages, fencing, cello, even accurately dancing how the goth subculture expresses themselves. That deserves a lot of praise.❤
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on the series. I think your take on the monster and its thematic importance in the story is really compelling. I may need to watch the show a third time with this in mind. Again, I feel that I may have dismissed an aspect of the show because I was misreading it. Yeah, Enid's pretty much the best and I'm glad that she seems to be the breakout character of the show. And as a guy who has way too many plushies and plays with a puppet, I can relate to your feeling a little out of synch with other adults. I'm sorry about your relationship with your mother, but I'm glad you've got a strong bond with your father. In terms of the relationship between Wednesday and Morticia, I feel like I understood it a lot more after viewing the entire series (and knowing Morticia's secrets). Though as a man, I'll admit that my understanding of mothers-daughter relationships is always going to be limited, so my understanding of that aspect of the series will be as well. That's a big reason why I appreciate comments like yours so much. And you're completely right about Ortega's performance, I definitely appreciated it a lot more on my second watch. Thank you again for leaving such a smart, thoughtful comment. I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and your perspective.
spoilers: I thought the monster was interesting because he's not at execution of his own life, he'sunder control of his genes and his 'master' . He even slips at one point that he saved her life as if she should be on his side. He does like her and when his nice guyism doesn't work he slips into his wrath and Hyde persona against her. When he says he defeated her he's not cruel to her because he's evil (per se (though it's very arguable that he's evil)) but because he didn't win her and he thought she would be on his side, he was hurt and lashing out, he says 'how does it feel to be defeated?' not because he really feels he defeated her, but because he's projecting and in fact he feels he failed at least subconsciously. He saw her as like him and wanted her as a mate.
I picked up on Wednesday being Autistic right away, and I think that is one of the things that helped me watch her social blunders with empathy. The Monster and the Mystery were intriguing, even up to the point where Wednesday realised that Tyler was the Hyde. But it went downhill from there pretty quickly, and it didn't seem to have an emotional payoff. I'm also not sure how I feel about Enid getting to wolf out finally. I really loved how she stood up to her mom, and was embracing not turning furry for the first time, and boom, "she's a late bloomer". If they don't make her like, some prophesied bad ass wolf, I'll riot (jk)
@@Ootjee Big Bang said that Sheldon Cooper wasn't Autistic but that didn't keep Autistic people from seeing and identifying with him as Autistic. I don't know how much research Tim Burton has had on Autism and how it presents in AFABs, but considering that most doctors don't know enough to diagnose little girls, I'm going to disregard Burton's comment
It might have been possibly more interesting if Enid had gone in with just her claws. Meaning that her heart and loyalty to those she cares about are what makes her strong. It would need her having some lunar fuelled strength to make the fight less uneven, but would have possibly been more gripping. Because we would have no idea if it was a fight to her death. Just my take on it.
I find Enid’s character interesting. She’s almost vomitly inducing bubblegum pop personality seems to be a facade, an over compensation for the things she lacks. You can see glimpses of the facade coming down through the show. I actually think this might be the reason Wednesday and her are able to “connect”.
In your other video that inspired me to watch the show, you said the point of the Addams is they didn't know they were weird. While that is mostly true in the first show it's also true the kids didn't go to school(As your clip showed). In the first show, she was only 6yo. It would stand to reason that when the kids did finally go to a public school the kids would realize they were different. There have been many Reddit posts dedicated to asking the question "What did your family do that you thought was normal?"(...It's also where I heard of a "poop knife" for the ones that won't go down the drain) Most kids go through feeling like their families aren't like the other kid's families at least on some level and the older the kid gets the stronger the feeling may get. The one constant with the main non-animated tellings of the Addams family is that each telling of the story the kids are a bit older so maybe it's just the natural progression that they(more so the kids) would learn they're a bit odd.
I loved your analysis of the original humor of the "The Addams Family" which was nicely adapted in the 1964 TV-show. And how it changed through the different later adaptions. But I disagreed with your point how the Netflix show ruined "Wednesday" or "The Addams Family". I think you are very right about how the modern societies are way more open and how it is most likely that a "The Addams Family" would be accepted despite their weirdness by people today. But honestly, I think that the satire was always more about the normal people and their behaviour than about the Addams. They were always likeable characters, sympathetic for the audience. I do not know the cartoons, but the 1964 TV show. And there, aside from all weirdness, it was always shown how the Addams have pretty relatable traits. The love between Gomez and Morticia, the love for their children. Fester is a crazy character, but a good brother and uncle to the kids. But there is also something else: Gomez and Morticia are not afraid of or negative about social contacts to other people, like their neighbours (like you depicted, they do not even know how they are weird to them). But Wednesday and Pugsley may know that they are "outsiders" because of the interactions with other kids. The 1990-movies played in some scenes with that in a way. The thing about the Netflix-show is for me, that it actually is not just another adaption of "The Addams Family", but a continuation, in which Wednesday Addams has her "coming of age"-story. A big motif of the show is, how Morticia and Gomez are actually hoping that Wednesday will enjoy her stay at the "Nevermore School" make some friends and have fun. And this leads to your question about "Wednesday and autism spectrum": No, she is most likely not. The problem of Wednesday is more the lack of social competence. Which is not her fault at all. How could she have ever learned any social competence, when she (and Pugsley) were always treated as outsiders and the kids in her former schools were totally hostile towards her? This is in my expierence pretty realistic, even in a modern society. As much as I disliked the idea of "Nevermore Academy", because it looked like something more fitting into "The Munsters"-franchise, it was a pretty nice way to put Wednesday among other kids, who are not really having that much of problems with her "weirdness", because they are "freaks themselves". And this is why I think that Enid is one of the best parts of the show: Enid is sweet and friendly towards her new roommate, but Wednesday does not understand this, can not handle it. Again, because other kids were only hostile to her before and she lacks social competence for this situation. In the show, Wednesday is learning that other people can actually be interested to be friend with her, but she has also to learn, that her bevavior, to be careless and negative towards other people, which was a useful shield against hostile kids, but is hurting now Enid and others, who are not acting hostile and do not deserve it. See the episode, when Enid is almost giving up on her, even questioning herself about "being to dependent". Enid confronted Wednesday with her feeling of being abused and mistreated by her, and gives Wednesday something to think about. This is also a pretty realistic and a relatable thing. Or at least I can relate to it, because in my teenage years I was not a hugger as well. :D There were even people like "Enid" in my life and I gave them a hard time because I was too much used to be a sarcastic and cynical "loner". (But there was also a "Happy End") About the "Murder Mystery"... yeah, well. I aggree it was not a really great story. But I honestly think, the great characters and their development making up for this.
Again, the show was very entertaining, giving us tidbits of the original Addams family premise of dark satire and twisted humor. But that's all that we were given. One of the things that was most characteristic of Wednesday was the line at the end of the first episode which was "Let's see. I narrowly avoided death twice, discovered that my father may be a murderer, learned that I could potentially destroy the school, and was mysteriously saved by a homicidal monster. As much as it pains me to admit, you were right, Mother. I think I'm going to love it here." (I do disagree with the "As much as it pains me to admit" part though.) Other than this, it was just witty one-liners that we all devoured like children eating Santa's cookies, and the macabre themes that Tim Burton and Danny Elfman are so prized for. The monster thread added intrigue, but it was basically a red herring as the main points were the evils of religious zeal, learning to open oneself to others, accepting your parents, and coming into one's own. The body parts could have easily been obtained if Ms. Thornhill did it herself. OR Tyler could have done the murders but _without_ being a Hyde, adding more of a psychological, murder mystery element instead of a supernatural one. My original thought was that Ms. Thornhill was a Hyde, which was a trait handed down from Joseph Crackstone. This felt more powerful and more political to me, especially in this day and age. If Joseph Crackstone were secretly a Hyde or maybe some form of sorcerer, that would have made his witch hunts and burnings all the more hypocritical. But in this show he's just a normie, meaning that literally anyone who is a religious zealot could be a monster like Crackstone, a political statement I am not at all fond of backing. We did see that hypocrisy somewhat when he was resurrected and used dark magic, but that could be attributed to simply the curse Woody placed on him, thus corrupting his pure religiosity with the same witchcraft he fought in real life. In short, I would have _much_ preferred a hypocritical Crackstone to a normie Crackstone that used magic only after resurrection. Lastly, I also still stand by my observations on the Addams family dynamics, preferences, and social mindset. The family is not one of outcasts, but creepy, kooky, mysterious, and spooky freaks that don't realize they're freaks. In fact, they think everything and everyone outside of their property is freakish. This Addams family was _too_ integrated. Uncle Fester was one of the only members not sullied by either modernization or distortion of character, and maybe Thing and Lurch too. Pugsley was too depressed. Morticia was too sentimental. Gomez was too sullen (probably because of the murder scandal). Grandmama was probably dead. And I have clearly described Wednesday's character retcon. Overall, the show was entertaining, fun-filled, and intriguing, and Jenna, Gwendoline, Luis, Catherine, and Christina all did a fabulous job in fulfilling the roles assigned to them. But flashy, bug-eyed monsters and pharisaical ghosts of the past can't all carry the plot.
I think one of the best things to do is look at it for what the show is a new adaptation of the family and especially Wednesday. Jenna's stated the biggest thing about making Wednesday unique was showing a new side to her as a teen and interacting with people and humanizing her a bit more. She also stated that Wednesday would take the role of an antihero and will stray from the traditional hero route which I mean yeah most people wouldn't be fine and happy to torture someone who they were romantically intertwined with a day ago. The point is because you know I'm bad at getting my point across sometimes the best way to look at this is a new adaptation of the characters and I do t think there's anything wrong with thst
i think its so sweet you decided to give wednesday a rewatch and were willing to change your opinion abt the show! u totally restored my faith in humanity for the day n convinced me to give the show another watch :)
Two markers that show a man of integrity are the ability to admit when you're wrong and the ability to stand firm when you know you're right. You sir have earned my subscription on integrity alone, never mind the fact that the videos are very thoughtful and entertaining.
What I appreciated were all references to literature. And not only do they work for people without knowledge about the actual reference, but they work deeper as well. For example the Mary Shelley Frankenstein situation with Thornhill. Obviously, it works with Thornhill being a version of Frankenstein and Tyler, her monster (which inherently begs the classic Frankenstein question, who is the monster, creator or creature) then on the level of creating the resurrected Pilgrim. And, the Mary Shelley reference is genius, yes, obviously, she is a writer, therefore Wednesdays "archnemesis". But which makes it work so more, is that Shelley had a complicated relationship to her father (a politician and somehow associated with Gothic literature as well) , and to her mother who was the famous Mary wollestonecraft, who died when she was young. She was always namedropped with her mother, associated and compared. And, her husband, Percy bysshe Shelly, famous romantic/Gothic poet was also very much in the spotlight. And let's not forget all the German places that are name dropped, and German, as Frankenstein was written in Geneva and in the story the actual creature was built in Ingolstadt. The references work on so many levels. Still trying to figure out all the poe references right now
It’s not very often that ppl can admit they were wrong about something, take the opinions of others into consideration, reevaluate, and actually change their own opinions in response not out of social pressure but their own reasoning. This is pretty cool of you. Good on you 🙌🏻
It's pretty neat you took commenters perspectives into account before giving the show a second chance. It means you're willing to admit to being wrong. A lot of UA-camrs I've noticed have that problem, where they angrily defend themselves without considering that they might be too harsh. This video is refreshing :)
I absolutely found Goody and Crackstone's story interesting because 1) It related to Wednesday's identity as an outcast and provided background behind the world of outcasts and normies and 2.) It is relevant to how young people today struggle with the legacy of ugly history and its effects on their own lives and identities. Crackstone's statue being vandalized is almost a perfect echo of the vandalization and removal of Confederate monuments. Also, bigots are never consistent with their personal standards and are almost always hypocrites, so Crackstone using magic just so he can kill the people he hates doesn't strike me as odd at all. I think a lot of other unanswered questions can be cleared up later seasons.
I actually didn’t like the overall show as I was watching it, mainly because of the writing, but your videos have really presented me a new perspective and even though I’m not gonna rewatch the first season, I will definitely check out the second season now. Great content: subscribed 👍
Here’s a fun meta thing that you brought my attention to: if Wednesday is a terrible detective, and we trust her as the story’s apparent protagonist, then the classic unawareness of the Addams family that you described in your previous episode is transferred not only to the poor sleuth, but to the audience! We become just as blind as Gomez to what is “normal”: we don’t know whom to trust, and we think everything that is not Wednesday is odd (even if she herself is highlighted as odd in a more literal way). As far as the monster arc goes, I did find myself drawn to parallels between Crackstone and the modern political landscape, but if it was intended as a critique, it could have run deeper; I agree that the ending felt too easy.
Fun fact: Wednesday's only good comebacks from the show are taken from some of the 90s series. "Nobody tortures my brother but me" came straight from The New Addams Family
We’re all wrong from time to time man, and it take a lot to admit you’re wrong. I applaud you for doing so and I respect it too. As a reward, I’ll subscribe!
I really don't like it how Wednesday develops "feelings" for someone. I liked her much more in the previous shows where she's more of an intelligent sadistic psychopath who people should not relate with, but find humor in the situations and interaction with normal people. Maybe I could understand her coming of age and being intrigued by guys, but from her own perspective, she's not interested in the suspect and his drive to kill or disregard for life as a common interest, she goes for the normal guy. That for me is just makes no sense and shows how the writers don't understand the character and the Addams family in general. Also the sadistic part of her character is outright missing form her portrayal in the Netflix show. If the writers wanted to include a love story in the show, they should have focused on Morticia and Gomez. Sexualizing Wednesday was a bad decision from my point of view. *SPOILER WARNING* On top of that, a show which should be a comedy, is turned into a crime show. That wouldn't be that bad, if it was at least a decent crime story, but it's bad. The focus of the story is trying to figure out who's the killer, but Wednesday goes accusing people without concrete evidence. That action depicts her as not very intelligent. The side story with the prophecy was a boring one. I do understand normies vs weirdos is important for the Addams family humor in general, but it was poorly executed in my opinion. The side story with the murder coverup by Gomez was a good one. I think it nicely fits the narrative and doesn't seem out of character for any of the parties involved. Though I do think at least a bit of comedy would have been appropriate. I do think the main actress is very beautiful and I can remember a couple of times while watching the show my hard cold heart turned to warm mushy jelly. There is just something so alluring about her dark eyes. I feel like the more I look at them the more vulnerable I become. In contrast I'm usually more uncaring or even detached when it comes to beauty on screen. In general I do feel people are watching and liking the show mainly because the main actress is beautiful and plays the role (to the extent it can be played). After all Wednesday should be expressionless in most of the scenes. I think the majority of the acting is being done by the supporting cast. Especially the werewolf roommate acts her pert very well. I can see the production value and effort involved in the show are great and for the most part I do like it. I just wish the writing was better and character portrayal was more closely aligned with the source material and not it's derivatives.
Ok, I really do appreciate the analysis of Wednesday, but I think you are delving into so much more then what is there. Sometimes a show is just a show and I have loved the Addams family since I was kid watching reruns in the 70s. You just have to either like it or not but over analyzing it I feel demeans the true fun of the show and it’s original works in the Saturday evening post and Sunday comic strips not to mention everything else after it. To be clear though, if you gave that analysis in a college classroom I would say you were spot on, but not everyone is a college scholar so sometimes a series is just a fun romp with some old friends we grew up watching and there is nothing wrong with that. Btw… I did love the show. I would have changed some casting but I binged the whole thing till 5 in the morning. Lol😂 ( good work on the analysis though. Very intelligent thought.)
Hm. This Wends day does seem to have Asperger's. The Wends day's, of the movies, and the whole Adam's clan, read more like a gang of psychopaths, They are generally (though not always) less loyal to each other, but they are causal cruel to other's. In fact, that is the main joke. The casual, dead pan monotone voice when Wends day implies to her younger brother that she is going to kill him. The way that they discuss horrible things without emotions as if they were normal. They are all on the Sociopathic spectrum. But Wendsday happens to be the most clever, the least emotional, the most charming, and the most psychopathic, of them all
I think you did a great job describing the evolution of Addams depiction across their various iterations over the years. The only point I still disagree on is the moral of the story - I think the ending was not about how Wednesday should conform to the norms, but that she should realise how manipulative and hurtful she was being towards her friends. Throughout the series she treats everyone as tools, but by the end has some actual character growth. I think it will be interested in future series seeing Wednesday who is still herself, but actually pays attention to what her freinds say and what their needs are.
in a way, the school represents how everyone today likes to say they accept wierdness untill they see someone who is actually wierd, and then they dont know how to handle it so they push them away
I think the Crackstone piece helped cement the New England location, so it worked for me. I would have also liked to see more of all the students. Glad you gave it a second look.
Wednesday has given me pause to think about many things about the series. 1) if we assume that the series takes place in 2022 her becoming 16 makes her birthday in 2006. There's only 2 months that have a Friday the 13th (January and October). 2) that fact and New England is usually covered in snow in January I would lean towards her birthday being October 13,2006 which makes her a Libra, balance is very important in that personality (like the dorm room becoming half color and half black and white, a cheerful roommate to her non-emotional state, Goody has platinum blonde hair and wears white to Wednesday's black hair and black attire (the fact that Goody becomes one with Wednesday bringing her more into balance)). There's a few other things that make me feel like Balance is a big part of the story that Wednesday is becoming a more balanced person at the end of the season.
@@monty103 Neither are vampires, werewolves, gorgons or sirens. Writers use a lot of things that don't exist irl as elements of storytelling. So, what's your point?
Someone on UA-cam actually willing to adjust their opinion in light of new information?! Will wonders never cease! Your new "reading" of Wednesday as a possible analog for neurodivergence actually makes me think more about my comment on the prior video. the one about how it seems like she has become something of a beacon for certain parts of younger women in society. I think you may be onto something here. Not only is it the Darkness that people are relating to, but it's the other aspects. Just a thought. I think both of your videos are fair and useful points of view. Awesome as usual.
rewatching wednesday is what made me obsessed with the show. i watched it with a friend in english for the first time and was absolutely happy with the show, but not exactly blown away. then i rewatched it with my mum in german and even though i absolutely hate german dubs and it makes me cringe, somehow rewatching wednesday even under those circumstances made it so much better. and now i watch it again and again to see if i find new things (i usually do) and rethink my takes on all these characters. it's grade and not the first time netflix succeeded in doing that to me.
Glad you made this vid. Its crazy how re reading or watching Mysteries has a totally different effect. the 'ooooooohhhh stars above!" its a great feeling.
From what I understood about Crackstone, he himself is a demon/outcast, and is projecting his hate outwards onto other outcasts. When Goody sliced him in the neck, his wound healed instantly, and he called her "the devil's daughter herself" or something along those lines (I don't remember).
I just watched your first vid and then the second one and my opinions about Wednesday changed within minutes. Your comment section and subscribers really were awesome and you are too.
1st in your previous video, you did an excellent job in contrasting the comedic premises. In this video you verified that a 2nd look is always needed to tease out what we often miss especially from new perspectives.
Mate, this video made me subscribe. Not many people would make a video essentially talking about how they were wrong and your ability to be open to other peoples opinions is really inspiring.
Thanks! I appreciate your subscription! Yeah, I think one of the best parts of doing these videos has been having my mind changed by people who have shared their different perspectives.
I honestly loved Wednesday because of the mystery! But I’m also someone who loves a good mystery. And ultimately the mystery of who the Hyde was was definitely more interesting to me than Joseph Crackstone.
I watched your original video about Wednesday and while I didn't agree with everything you said, I really love the way you analyzed the characters and the show. It did make me look at the show more critically. I still think there's a valid perspective in your first video.
Well, I am impressed. It was late at night when I first started watching your first review of Wednesday, and felt you missed or overlooked key elements. I saw a commentator say "it's not about Wednesday learning to care about what others think of her, more to care about those who also care for her." (I think I paraphrased, apologies) I didn't make it completely thru the vid the first time, as I was tired and not ready to give the in-depth comment in reply that I knew I was planning. I saw some other comments pointing out some of these things. The next day, before I could finish watching your first review the second one popped into my feed. That got me intrigued, so I finished the first vid (which had some interesting information and perspective) then watched this one. Brilliant. Don't feel bad cause you are admitting you got it wrong and that with new information and a rewatch comes new perspective sometimes. You learnt something, and in doing such you shared that to enlighten others instead of letting ego get in the way. Anyways, have a like, comment and subscribe. seeya around :)
On the mystery they should have done one or the other. The monster (discovering it was Tyler) or following her ancestors history (stopping the resurrection of crackstone). I feel both were too much.
The previous video was my first exposure to your channel, and I agreed with your analysis completely but simply reached the different conclusion of enjoying the direction the series took. Your willingness to give the show a second chance cements a subscription, keep up the good work.
Thanks! Yeah, pretty much every video I've made on this channel has been met with really smart and thoughtful commenters who have changed my opinion on some aspect of the TV show or movie that I'm discussing. Hearing new perspectives and having my mind changed have been the great unexpected pleasures of starting this channel!
As I said on your previous video. There is a way to fix the detective laziness if we can call it that because Wednesday doesn’t necessarily have to be a detective nor this a detective series but rather a show about a person exploring their alternatives through growing up. Wednesday can be inept as a detective and that’s ok. Because this gives her rooms to grow. If we go by your early critique of the Adams family. This scenario can be made to be a satirical joke kind of like the original tv incarnation. For example: In a later season Wednesday can be made aware that she has been unaware that her powers aids her and that she doesn’t really have great detective skills. That can be something that everyone notices but she is unaware of. However her drive for truth is aided by her power. So it goes hand in hand. Ultimately she doesn’t have to be a detective or be any good at being a detective. Because she really is not a detective. She is wait for it…. A writer!
All the main characters in the show are actually everyones individuals personalities in our "world" which makes the show better understanding of ourselves. Thats why they are "outcasts." Everyone in the school are rejected by society. In our "world," we are not called outcast but are called creepy or weird. Tyler being the monster is also important because the shows telling us that the guys that are too nice and way too emotional could also be a "monster" meaning using every innocent emotion to, saddest emotion, friendliest emotion-just trying their best to trick a person into doing things they want. Thats why Tyler was a good monster in this part because he used "emotions" as manipulation.
Coming from a 90s kid who was first introduced to the series from scooby doo, the movies and the 90s tv series. I thought the show worked. It wasn’t the traditional Addams family show but the shows not called the Addams family so I can get over that. Jenna was a great Wednesday. The show isn’t perfect if you watch the show hoping for the traditional Addams family show it’s not there but it’s great for what it is. Can’t wait for a season 2. My only wish was Christina Ricci being morticia. But I’m glad she was on the show.
I think with Tylar from the bits and Peices I've seen talked about (I may watch this eventually, donno yet, but I may actually watch it to see if there's actual hints of this theory here) is that Tylar is suppose to be written to be an example of how sometimes people aren't trust worthy even when they're close to you. An example of how Narssistic Relationships do happen. It both worked and didn't work it sounds like because there's actually different forms of Narssistic Style behaviors but some of the most main ones are: The Grandious (the typical that we know of in most movies and media and what people thinks is the most common but not actually) the Benigne (the fun loving Narssisist that only care about fun, and the "least" harmful until you try to connect on a deeper level but can't because they tell you you're killing the vibe) The Vurniable (The one I think my theory hinges on to see if they actually did it correcting and have to see for myself because it's the "Woe is me" kind that seems harmless but the more you try to help them the more they make you feel like crap because they blame the world for their unfairness lot in life), the Maligiant (the most dangerous of them as it kinda combinds Mechivellism, and the one which actually causes a lot of abuse as they just don't care when the mask is down, you're a means to an ends), the Mixture (where you have the mix and match of these verious kinds which is more likely to actually happen) I think what they were *trying* to do with Tylar (again, a theory I need to confirm or deny when watching the show) is play with how vurniable Wendsday actually is with her mistrust with isolation of everyone and how very isolated she can become if prayed upon by someone who is actually a narssist and try to isolate her more. But Also another level of showing flaws of the other charaters as what the Theripist did isn't exactly... great either as it's combative and causes people to not do great in connecting. I'm sure she does mean well but it does cause more of a barrier for Wendsday to connect understandably. It honestly does sound like it would be a great story to watch as they're exploring a very untalked about point about vurnability and having a good social group that would help you through really rough patches of trying to understand the world.
I really had to watch it all a second time anyway because it genuinely fly over my head that principal Weems was a shapeshifter. Like I actually thought someone had killed Weems as well as Rowan and was filling in for Weems so as to take the most control over the Rowan incident as opposed to Weems just being a shapeshifter and making the 'Rowan just wanted to leave' story as believable as possible because she wanted to preserve the schools reputation. Now I know it was the latter of the two you can imagine it cleared up a hell of a lot of confusion
Ha! Yeah. Even though I enjoy the show a lot more now, I think its biggest problem is how many things don't work on a first watch. As you point out, it can be actively confusing at times.
I found it interesting that the oxymoron was used in the contest of Crackstone's resurrection and his death. His magical resurrection, and his laic death at the hand of an outcast.
Multiple plotlines are nice. Joseph Crackstone is connected since his descendent stalked Morticia, and since Wednesday is a descendent of Goody Addams, she is the only person who can defeat him.. Anyway, it works for me.
This second video has earned you a new subscriber. I was surprised by (and liked) the darkness of the show, enjoyed Jenna Ortega, the friendships with Eugene and Enid, Enid's character, Of course I knew who the baddie was from episode One but it doesn't matter. I still think Gomez and Morticia were sadly miscast and badly written and the CGI is clumsy. But I still enjoyed the show. BTW, I'm in my sixties, and grew up with the original show, but I enjoy a wide range of stories, not just those for my age group.
Also i will subscribe to any new youtuber who truly shows his fans the time of day and admits when he was mistaken, you have completely won me over as a fan, You even showed me some things to like about the show and i already loved the show initially.
oh and totally off topic, love the puppet! I've been a big fan of Jim Henson's work ever since Seasame Street and before that, Supermarionation here in the UK which used string puppets vs hand ones.
Can't wait to see this channel grow! One suggestion, you should try adding a rotoscope of the puppet on the thumbnail and see if that attracts more clicks to your video. Not sure if that will actually work but it doesn't hurt spicing things up :)
I agree completely. Or, if you don't go into it with an open mind, the second-best option is to make a UA-cam video and let a few hundred commenters convince you to give it another shot!
I definitely agree with the idea that Wednesday was coded Neurodivergent. After recently rewatching the series Community, I totally got Abed vibes from Wednesday in that she completely struggles to read social cues, and understand Neurotypical expressions of emotion and how to reciprocate them properly. It's some thing she slowly starts to open up and begin to understand at the end of the season. As for Crackstone and the magic staff stuff...maybe it was just me, but I felt it was implied that Crackstone himself was a witch or a practitioner of magic and got rid of the outcasts to deflect who the real witch was in the area. Maybe I'm wrong and I read that into the story when it was not there at all.
I fully agree about the mystery and the ending. A lot of unanswered questions, a dumb ultimate villain, and a very unsatisfying conclusion. The showdown between Wednesday and Crackstone was prophesied 30 years in advance yet it only lasted 10 minutes and he got taken out with a couple random stab wounds by two girls with really interesting powers and skills who didn’t use any of those to beat him? I couldn’t be bothered to care. In my option Legacies does it better, it’s essentially the same show but the ultimate villain is actually threatening and difficult to defeat. The characters make real sacrifices and have to use all their skills and teamwork to save their school.
I have never watched The Addams family, and I really liked the show. About the finale: For me having Crackstone use magic kinda works. I like the irony, that he uses magic to try to rid the word of magic users while (presumably) not even realising he's one of them.
as a neurodivergent. i saw alot of similarities between me and wednesday. and i was like why is she me irl and ppl need to watch this so they can understand me
I honestly was also let down by the ending and the whole Joseph Crackstone narrative (honestly I just chalked Joseph's whole "I'm suddenly ok with magic and resurrection" as a part of the villain's hypocrisy, which is honestly not too far fetched from real world cults and other hyper extreme fanatics. Would've been nice if they had brought it up however: like if Wednesday brought up the hypocrisy as a sassy remark to Joseph & his followers and they had a whole line to reestablish "oh it's fine if I do it, but it's different if you do and that makes you a monster. The whole, "I'm the exception" mindset of things.) Second: Yeah, the whole "Goody heals Wednesday" felt like a very messy wrap up. I still think the monster was an ok plot point: more as a background event for Wednesday to solve. I felt like Wednesday plays a more morbid interest in murders and such like a very deadpan Sherlock Holmes: it's not so much the murder or the murder's backstory we care about but his display of intelligence (and in Wednesday's case, absolute lack of care for social restraints so she can get the job done + smarts) that makes it entertaining to watch. Kinda like as if she doesn't really care that people are murdered, it's just more of a fun brain exercise to her and the fact that she can't figure it out just yet is what's frustrating her more than anything else. I kind of wish they went even more with this angle because of how the Addams franchise has been. On that note, it would've been so cool if they had a more death/resurrection power/theme because of how nonchalant they are about death and murder, rather than the whole seer sight ability. I wish they had stuck more with the whole Addams being comfortable with death and gore, but explain it in a way that makes sense to us the viewers why they find that normal. Like imagine: the whole Addams have a sort of Zombie, immortal/unkillable power and that's why they're so undisturbed by people dying/can't understand why people find it a scary thing. If we wanted to raise the stakes, we could make Wednesday grow close to people and learn that her powers are not absolute, making sure there's actual potential losses in the story. Also wasn't a fan of the whole fact she's at odds with her family. I would get it if Morticia and Gomez was getting too soft in their old age (since Wednesday is a teenager now) and she finds that disgusting, like some sort of teenage angst faze. Again, could be explained by their inability to die: Morticia and Gomez actually are against killing strangers because they understand what it means from the mortal's perspective and can sympathize. Wednesday does not until she goes through this whole journey at Nevermore. Regardless I do love the series Wednesday, and I just wanted to put in my 2 cents haha. xD
Yeah I agree, though from what I hear in the potential Wednesday season 2 there is going to be a greater focus on the family and well Wednesday so lets hope the writers learn from their mistakes and season 2 assuming it happens falls more in line with Wednesday being well Wednesday rather then this goofy Ghost demon Pilgrim bullshit.
I wish that they had a bigger Goody Addams arc with her founding that secret society. Like a parallel story arc, would of been cool. With time jumps back and forth.
It's "would have"
i dont think shes really gone when she went into wednesday she said "you will never see me again" but her soul going into wednesday in a way to me makes me think they are now connected on a deeper level and maybe they will be able to mentally talk to each other. but thats just a wishful theory
@@CatDuckChu it could be a "You'll never see me again, but you will see through me" type of thing.
@@a_viewer5386 yeah maybe and I think that would be a cool idea maybe goody will be a way to find out who the stalker is
I would have been so annoyed with the back and forth😅😭😭
I hate shows that ping back and forth between the past and present😭😭
Ya it could have been interesting but if not done well it would have just been annoying for many viewers who don’t enjoy that type of plot timeline
I definitely believe that the twist of tyler being the villain wasn't revealed to the actor before the day of shooting. He 100% is playing an infatuated love intrest, who likes Wednesday because shes interesting and different from anyone hes ever met. without a doubt, there was absolutely no subtlety of malicious intent to pick up on because the actor wasn't told he was the villain until the end of shooting
The actor said in an interview that in one of the last audition he was told that the caracter was a nice guy with a secret and he asked if it was THE secret, so he definitively knew before the day of the shooting
I don’t agree with you here. Maybe it’s cause I’m generally suspicious, but I questioned his sincerity from the first episode. And I was fairly certain he was the monster not long after that. That has to mean the actor was intentional in how he played it
@@mariane5564 do you have a link to the interview? i’d love to see it!
oh that’s weird 😂 I knew right after Tyler accused Wednesday of sending him “mixed” signals (HOW she was literally deadpan 90% of the show) that something was fishy about him
@@mariane5564 unless he said they explicitly told him, I disagree that he knew. he gave absolutely no tells. plus it is a town full of dark secrets, it honestly seemed like every one of Wednesday's suspects thought they were in on the murders (nearly everyone had a motive). plus they even hint that Tyler's feelings were real (the pilgrim boys during the prank said "don't go soft on us like Tyler") if he did know then Hunter really sold it
What had me give it a second chance was the afterthought of: If generations of the Adams went to a school for the weird (which does in fact destroy the point of them being weird), it does provide a valid reason for them to believe that weird IS normal. It also explains all the references to the family's strange aquaintences made in the original show. Long story short I agree with both of the videos if that seems possible.
I'm going to give you the benefit of a doubt that spelling ADDAMS without the second D was entirely unintentional. Doing so is an act punishable by death. Ha!
@@giggles7179 It was unintentional, good catch. I was distracted thinking of apostrophes and almost put one after the "s" out of muscle memory, but that would've incorrectly shown ownership. That would have also been punishable by death, but not nearly as bad as putting one before the "s". That's worthy of death twice. :)
@@sen.garyhart4239 Indeed! Ha!
I think the main problem is the students are all normal high school tropes that happen to have supernatural powers rather than actually being odd characters.
@@JohnwhyplaysYeess! Also the way her parents seemed to be weirded out and repulsed by her behavior really threw me off.
I liked that the series dealt with a lot of gaslighting and problems that teenagers might not be aware of. Xavier seemed to be using Bianca's powers as a way of guilting and manipulating her when he was the one who was not invested in the relationship. I also liked that Wednesday was less judgmental than she was in the movie.
Also laurel manipulating and grooming, Tyler
@@k.yleenicole yeahh laurel's confession as the villain made me so uncomfortable when she admitted to drugging him, torturing him, and acting physically close to him 🤢
@@Lilackity yea and at the end where Weems is pretending to be him and she gets so close to “him” and has her hands on “his” face! As a victim of being groomed, it was definitely very uncomfy
@@k.yleenicole yeahh it was so uncomfortable made me feel so bad for tyler
I don't think Xavier was manipulating her. She admits that she made "one mistake," which I assume means she must have used her powers on Xavier at least once in the past. He'd definitely be more on edge about it after it happens once.
Wednesday's child is full of woe. I haven't had access to the full Addams family library, but from what I have seen, this Wednesday seems to be more in touch with the comics core characterization of her as a somewhat timid, sensitive and intelligent child. If I had one criticism of the Adams Family Matters Wednesday, it would be that she's too confident. Arguably out of all of the core cast, Wednesday has had the most alterations, going from a timid child, to a normal one with unusual interests, to one with a flat affect and a slight sadistic streak, to a girl simply trying to fit in to be normal. Wednesday is at her best, I think, when these characteristics are nicely Blended, because while the other characters in the family have found their place and their interests, Wednesday hasn't. It allows her to have this in between perspective that fuels her intelligence. It seems like Wednesday is somewhat of an effort to bring all of her versions together, showing how someone contradictory person may not be contradictory at all. Wednesday is not just one thing, and the struggle that makes her compelling is figuring out how to balance all of the aspects of who she is. Thank you for letting me know that this show is actually rather good. I heard so many mixed opinions that when you said you had a name of it, I was prepared to drop it all together and not even think of watching it. Thanks!
You’re right about Family Value’s Wednesday being overly confident when she hypothesized the Cannonball will land on the floor first than the baby when in fact they both would hit the floor at the same time. Like that’s the only gripe I had was that
I've been a lifelong Addams Family fan (bordering on obsessive) and I have to say I don't know that Wednesday was actually developed enough prior to the 1990's films to say she had much of a defined character. Charles Addams created the individual family members in single-panel comics for The New Yorker; there wasn't much room to build character development beyond the children playing with alarming "toys" and occasionally tormenting each other in simple scenarios. The television show obviously couldn't have Lisa Loring and Ken Weatherwax do anything that would have been considered too controversial for the time, thus the children were much less a presence in the show. Christina Ricci's portrayal has pretty much cemented her image as a shockingly morbid child with a penchant for beheading dolls and spouting one-liners well beyond her years. I remember when the 1991 film was first released, NOBODY could speak about it without mentioning Christina Ricci. She pulled the rug out from every other of the highly accomplished actors in that film and her popularity resulted in Wednesday being a much more prominent character in the sequel. If the franchise will ever shake that image in future iterations of the family, it'll be far in the future. Jenna Ortega was great in the role and with how the character was expanded in the Netflix series, but it's virtually impossible for her iteration not to exist in Ricci's shadow.
(As an aside, I have to thank you. For once, I'm not the only one writing full-length novels in UA-cam comments. Ha!)
@@giggles7179 yeah, I have that habit. I figure if people want to read them, they will read them. Also thank you for clarifying that beginning Wednesday did not have much development, as I don't have access to every Adams family thing and was worried I was missing something. I do think Wednesday was soft compared to earlier iterations still, but that might have been a lack of development.
like a lot of greek heroes her main flaw is her hubris. When she thinks she has the answer she does little to question it and doesn't listen to the people when they try and defend themselves, she quite literally almost ruined an innocent boys life.
i mean.. you could’ve just watched it for yourself.. you wrote a long message about the addams family so you obviously have an interest. why wait to see what others think? its 2023, EVERYTHING is hated and loved by MANY loud people. use your OWN judgement, not a voice on youtube.
Shawn you have no idea how refreshing it is to see a person who allows their ideas and opinions grow and evolve, humility is an absolute virtue, i was ready to hate on your previous video, but after i saw it, i thought your opinion (while i disagreed with it) was completely valid and nuanced. I havent seen this one yet, but i just needed to comment and tell you that im subscribing since i thought this turn was completely mature and awesome to see
Logic and reasoning got lost years ago on this platform. Good to see some people still value that someone can change his opinion.
Sorry I didn't see your comment until nearly two weeks after you left it! I really appreciate you saying that, and I'm grateful you subscribed!
Genuinely my favorite part of making videos has been having my opinion challenged and getting a new perspective. I've gotten to enjoy a bunch of stuff that I would have otherwise dismissed!
Thanks again for your comment, and sorry again that I missed it!
He bent the knee to the comments 🤣
@@Y0rshPla7if someone can change your opinion so easily, you never had that opinion to begin with or your mind is easy to change
Humility doesn't mean you have to conform to other people's opinions. It just means that you respect each other as mutuals.
Incredibly refreshing to hear someone (on UA-cam) sharing about a genuine change of heart, especially about a show I genuinely enjoyed... Love the puppet/channel concept
So I have autism, I have been diagnosed since 2002, and when watching this show for the first and only time, I could already strongly relate to Wednesday and thought the same because I too have problems reading people, other things doesn't seem as clear as for "typical" "normal" people. I also don't give the same reactions and others would or my reactions seem on the flatter side so I have to force myself to give the proper one. I misread social ques etc. I don't think they intended her to be a character with autism but it was cool to relate to the main character. Even with the dancing scene, I've always never cared what others would think or how they'd dance, I danced to the beat of my own drums lol
Same. I found her relatable as an autistic.
Thank you for bringing up the Joseph crackstone using magic issue, I was so confused how that made sense if he hated magical beings so much?? I mean I get the hypocrisy of evil people so maybe that’s what they were going with but idk. Also the goody Addams ghost healing thing was a little far fetched even for a world where magic exists. I still lovedddd the show though. Those were my only issues with it really
Had you warhced shows where extreme healing powers are a thing, you you might have been more permissive with the Goody healing scene. Like, it WAS at a cost..and a pretty steep one
I was reading about the Salem witch trials and burnings of witches in history, and I came across “witch hunters” (yes these were real people apparently). They were not regarded with the same attitude by society and were instead praised because they were eliminating the witches, similar to how Crackstone is trying to get rid of the outcasts. These real witch hunters also allegedly used spells, herbs and trickery to get rid of witches, not just by killing them, so perhaps that’s where the show writers got the inspiration to give him magic.
I'll offer the idea that the part of Joseph Crack stone using magic is a matter of using fire to fight fire.
I'm not a subscriber to the channel, just a passing Addams Family fan, but Joseph Crackstone and his family using magic, dark arts, is one of the most realistic things about the show. That and the sadism with which he wants to kill helpless people, while self-appointing himself as the savior, the good guy. In my personal opinion and with some evidence to back it up, fanatics of all kinds tend to be some of the biggest hypocrites out there. Back in the day, in WWII, the Germans, the swastika wearers, used as an example of the perfect race a Jewish baby, apparently they couldn't tell them apart from their own. Islamic terrorists have financed themselves, among other things, by selling drugs, except that it is forbidden by the Koran. Torquemada killed and tortured people in the name of the same god whose commandment says Thou shalt not kill. Or the sale of indulgences to absolve sins. A Borgia was pope. Leaders of X ideology wanting the people to live one way while they live another. The world is full of such examples.
I really really respect someone who can not only listen to feedback, reevaluate, and admit when they may be wrong, but can also emphasize the importance of kind and constructive comments. That is how we actually learn, listen, and grow with each other. Subscribed.
the ending to me felt bad and left me with so many questions
1- why was goody's story abandoned it was so interesting
2- why didn't we see goody kill crackstone and curse him
3- what happened with goody and her powers wednesday's mom said goody was a powerful witch but she couldn't control her powers
4- why everyone was telling wednesday to not trust her powers for no reason? her powers always helped her more than the people in her live
5- this always annoyed me if everyone in nevermore was a monster than WHY WAS EVERONE RUNNING AWAY AND AFRAID FROM A NORMIE (i get crackstone had a wand but still i really was they gave him more powers and made the school have a fight scene)
6- the fighting scene was so disappointing wedesday did nothing she was just standing there the whole time and it was annoying
6.5- they have showed wednesday fight before it was literally in the first ep idk why she didn't do anything she showed she knows how to use a bow/sword before yet they didn't do anything
7- why did she became dumber as the ep continued in the first eps wedday was more carefully and didn't go accusing people without enough evidences and in the end it was like IT WAS YOU- WHAT NO IT WAS YOU it was annoying
i honestly have alot more but whatever ( also the cgi was so bad )
8- why would they accuse the guy with the art powers of being a hyde... WHEN HE HAS ART POWERS
I think I saw in an interview with Percy saying that the directors changed after like ep 4..? That's probably why but idk
I'm not sure if I'm right, but, the last 4 episodes, weren't directed by Tim Burton. Maybe the fact that he wasn't there to mantain that coherent feel is the reason for your 7th question...
At least Wednesday not fighting back gave Bianca and Eugene some time to shine (although I agree with what a reactor said, they should have been wasps and not bees, bees are going to die after they sting you)
It was you....no...it was you 🤣
I know.
It was terrible though how she constantly kept accusing people...especially Xavier.
She accused him of everything under the sun. First she accused him of being elite & snobby...he wasn't.
Then accused him of being the monster....he wasn't.
If that wasn't bad enough, she never apologized to him for all those accusations.
Nor did she apologize to her friend for manipulating her into going into the villains house.
I dont think at any point in this series Wendsday was an infatuated teenager and I dont think she has autism, I think she is Aro/Ace. Honestly alot of romantic social aspects go above our heads and her not catching very obvious signals, arguments with parents about not wanting romantic relationships in my life, boys wanting a relationship when i only want to do monster mysteries are all real experieces ive had as aro/ace. When she told her mom she doesnt want to be in love or get married and Morticia dismissed it I really felt that scene.
I loved the show, especially the acting. I also agree the villains kinda fell flat and felt one dimensional as well as the mystery plot reveal feeling very disconnected. Especially Tyler sort of fell flat as a character. His whole motivation is basically for the whole season that he’s angry, manipulated, and mind controlled. He’s probs gonna be a villain in season 2 in some way. I hope they give him some more depth than season 1. Also do you think he should be redeemed?
(Sorry for the 50 million edits)
Also great videos with some valid criticism.
I mean every villain has to be more than two dimensional also wasn't mind control Tyler is a slave
I never saw someone fold so hard to pressure faster than you. Jesus Christ.
I really enjoyed Wednesday, but I fully agree with your opinion on the resurrection of the Pelgrim. It was too easy and not in line with what the big antagonist stood for. In that regard, it would have been even better that he'd kill himself as Wednesday pointed out the flawed logic of his return to the mortal realm in the way that he did. Or he could have turned on the person that used the magic to bring him back. It would have been more true to character.
I also believe that, even if the first 4 or 5 episodes were very strong, you can already see the potential "Riverdale"/"Sabrina" pitfalls for season 2. It will partly have something to do with the growth arch that you see in all coming-of-age series and movies. Mainly the progress that Wednesday already made during the first season. You can't press reset on that. We all saw and loved how she grew as a person. You can applaud that kind of change in real life, but as a fictional character, it might change her in a way that she might become too unrecognizable. It's going to be a difficult balancing act going forward. I hope they can pull it off. We can only wait and see.
But if it turns out that the story would become too weak, the makers should have the guts to say: "We told a fun story, portraited the iconic Wednesday in a nice contemporary way, and we had the opportunity to showcase great new acting talent to a wider audience. Let's keep it at that and don't spoil what we've accomplished thusfar." And also as an audience, we should realize that value lies in scarcity.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. This feels too much like Sabrina in that the first season was pretty okay and fun to watch and you could see the potential but it sets itself up for SO MANY plot holes and dead ends and I only see it getting worse from here.
It's more like the hypocrisy of the situation (like another commenter put it). Like... dark magic is okay when HE does it
@@MarcelaElviraTimis right, it makes him even more villainous because now he’s also a hypocrite.
@@daniellewalker256 it especially hurts my feelings, because I watched caos since 2018. If they went more with horror aspects, (something i really expected and wanted based off teasers) and actually planned out the world that they put their characters into (and also made characters BETTER) it would've definitely became another Stranger Things. Actress was great, the vibes were there, but they made a mistake of making the character basically too powerful. Like - in season 3 she would go to hell and get Nick back IN ONE EPISODE. When I saw trailers I thought it would be a major arc in the whole season, but this girlie just does it in 5 minutes. Also the editing - the fish eye thing from season 1 was so annoying... glad they changed it. Another thing is that they just rushed the show. Like season 2 came out 0,5 year later after the first season... I feel like show needs some kind of criticism and breathe some fresh air before just jumping into it. Another thing that they failed at was making Sabrina just enjoyable character. Like I said - I love Kieran Shipka in the role, but the character itself was giving off Mary Sue vibes. They tried to make perfect character that never ever fails and made the whole show look dumb and character turned out being this toxic person, who is selfish enough to think that she's always right. This girl solves some walmart rubik's cube in 10 minutes, while not even being a witch, even though father Blackwood spent like 20 years on it or smth.
Why did the show made Ambrose, a 100 year old guy, have not only romantic, but also *sexual* relationship with Prudence who is 17/18???? (he also had a sexual something during s1 with all weird sisters and even Nick)
Why didn't they just bury Sabrina in kain's grave after she died???
Why does the end of the show just ends with it gloryfiing suicide???
Sabrina's Parents' death isn't even explained?? Was it an accident??? Was it not? WE'LL NEVER KNOW I GUESS
Many years ago, two very famous critics in tandem reviewed Star wars.
They hated it, one of them called it "the worst form of escapist trash".
A couple of months later after it was burning up the media and breaking all kinds of box-office records they reviewed it again, the tone of the review pretended as though this was their FIRST time experiencing and reviewing it, AND THEY LOVED EVERYTHING ABOUT IT.
Couldn't praise it highly enough.
Another critic at the same time reviewed it and hated it. He presented all his criticisms in a reasoned and thought provoking manner but he rationally supported his dislike for the film.
25 years later Star Wars was getting an anniversary release, and he was asked to critique it again.
His headline: "Star Wars; It was cr*p 25 years ago, and it's STILL cr*p now".
I think you can guess which critic I have more respect for.
Shawn has taken this one step further, he reviewed it and [IMO] made unfair snap judgements, seeming to jump on the youtube "Hate Everything" bandwagon. NOW he has more closely examined the show, and has had the good graces to clearly and plainly admit he was wrong.
Shawn, you ALSO have my respect as a critic.
I'm excited for season 2 as having a stalker as the 'villain' of the season really feels a lot more grounded and could get more personal, possibly making Wednesday walk back on her newly found trust in people. Also I really hope they don't go along with giving her some type of romantic partner, I really don't think it fits the character at all, and to me it seems like she could be aromantic and asexual, as it takes her quite a while to even begin to realise either boy likes her.
I’m neurodivergent and found those aspects of Wednesday very relatable
Same!
Yes! Same.
Yep, 100%
ditto, i actually liked that part where she was at the corroners place and he poked her cheak and said she was already in a state of rigor mortis, like how do you do that? Does she just have rock hard skin or is she using some kind of steriods that do that? Idk but i thought it was funny but i need a bit more context there.
I think "Nevermore" it self could have it's own series and and now that the principle is dead have either of Wednesday's parent's take over that role or maybe even that weird Uncle Fester.
If they recast her parents maybe. I couldn't stand how boring and cringy they were.
i'd rather the students resurrect the principal like the crackpipe guy
@@patmccrotch5436 i can see what you’re saying, but I think the actors are perfect, the issue is how Morticia and Gomez are characterized in this show. They don’t feel particularly true to the spirit of the original show.
I'd watch Bianca's Mum take over the principal role - give the students something to fight against.
@@becmcgrechan7547 have her be like an Umbrage from Harry Potter.
It takes a brave Muppet to admit their mistake. I think you made really great points in both videos and I really enjoyed them ! You just gained a subscriber 😊
I watched your first video and agreed because I felt the same during the first episode. But as I kept watching I realized I had to keep watching and accept this series as it’s own individual thing. Once I separated it, I loved the other characters. Loved Bee Boy! Wednesday’s friendship with him was so sweet. Especially when she only shows love for Uncle Fester, Thing, and her family.
As for the monster and zombie pilgrim, I agree felt kinda lazy. Rolled my eyes when I saw her wound be healed by a ghost. But I did have a laugh that the pilgrim who was set against magic and outcasts, was using dark magic. Hypocrite. And the supposed outcast with powers, stabbed him with a knife. Lol lazy? Maybe. But I thought it was kinda funny.
I think they had it right. History shows hypocrites are rampant in the world.
Yes, him being a hypocrit works for me too. Everyone who talks about sending other people "back to hell" is one, imho.
I felt that the whole Crackstone/Goody Addams thing was more of a way to give Wednesday more of a reason to feel connected to the school. It gave her a personal connection so she could spearhead the schools defense. It helped fast track her retribution arch and gave ger a reason to be viewed as a savior.
Crackstone was also a homage to all those Christian conservative nutjobs that harasses the Addams in every past film
Didn't care for the show on my first watch and hated it even more on my second one. That being said that does not make the show bad it just makes it a show I hate and that's ok, i am glad people like this show and I hope those people enjoy the second season
Maybe you had more fun on the second look. But I would say your first take was much more interesting because you took into account the entire Addams Family development, which still makes solid sense.
Man's got bullied into changing his opinion
As someone who never pays any attention to subscriber count, I had no clue you were a small channel (Loki knows how the UA-cam gods recommended you to me).
I like that you do thoughtful analysis which (despite some click-baity titles) doesn't seem to be comforming to Internet Group Think or Hating On Popular Thing For Clicks, which seems to be the usual pop culture analysis on UA-cam. That I bothered to subscribe to your channel definitely puts it among rare company for a pop culture channel, most of whom seem to chase algorithms and having fairly standard opinions about everything. You tend to bring up points that never occurred to me.
I’m glad that you’re open to altering your initial impression. Personally, from a design standpoint, I don’t like the monster - however…another way to look at the character that became the monster - paying attention to the psychiatric analysis of that character (avoiding spoilers), the loss of a parent, emotional distance, apathy from the remaining parent and a blink and you’ll miss it, implied suicide attempt…(in the bathtub where this character screams underwater venting out their frustration/rage/anger/guilt)…extreme GRIEF can warp a person’s mind. And even after revealing themselves to Wednesday as the monster, you can see a glimmer of regret and pain there. They knew deep down they cared about Wednesday but the psychopathy is already in full effect, as well as the Hyde answering to its master bit that further complicates things…it’s how tragedy and personal inner struggles destroy a person.
(I used they to avoid spoilers despite it being discussed in the video.)
I deeply empathize with Enid, I am a perky, colorful artist with dyed hair, stuffed plushies, draperies and all that in my bedroom…thought i’m a full fledged adult in my 30’s. I still have a very toxic relationship with my mother and a disappointment to her as I not only was a late-bloomer but my chosen career is not what she constantly wanted and badgered me for. I also share a close and supportive bond with my father, much like Enid. She isn’t a “NOT REALLY A WEREWOLF”, SHE IS. She’s just a late bloomer.
I also understand the daughter’s perspective in “living under your mother’s shadow” and wanting you, the daughter to follow in their footsteps, when you want to pave your own path - and that often creates a rift between a mother and a daughter. BEFORE, the CHILD Wednesday loved her mother and vise versa without question, as many young children do, but as they grow into their own person, conflict often arises when the mother has hopes and expectations that don’t meet with their daughter’s.
Again, speaking from a mother-daughter’s perspective.
While the series isn’t 100% perfect, don’t quite agree with several of your older points from the first video. I felt very deeply for most of the characters. The incredible amount of work Jenna Ortega did to prepare for this role is admirable. She learned languages, fencing, cello, even accurately dancing how the goth subculture expresses themselves. That deserves a lot of praise.❤
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts on the series. I think your take on the monster and its thematic importance in the story is really compelling. I may need to watch the show a third time with this in mind. Again, I feel that I may have dismissed an aspect of the show because I was misreading it.
Yeah, Enid's pretty much the best and I'm glad that she seems to be the breakout character of the show. And as a guy who has way too many plushies and plays with a puppet, I can relate to your feeling a little out of synch with other adults. I'm sorry about your relationship with your mother, but I'm glad you've got a strong bond with your father.
In terms of the relationship between Wednesday and Morticia, I feel like I understood it a lot more after viewing the entire series (and knowing Morticia's secrets). Though as a man, I'll admit that my understanding of mothers-daughter relationships is always going to be limited, so my understanding of that aspect of the series will be as well. That's a big reason why I appreciate comments like yours so much.
And you're completely right about Ortega's performance, I definitely appreciated it a lot more on my second watch.
Thank you again for leaving such a smart, thoughtful comment. I really appreciate you sharing your thoughts and your perspective.
spoilers: I thought the monster was interesting because he's not at execution of his own life, he'sunder control of his genes and his 'master' . He even slips at one point that he saved her life as if she should be on his side. He does like her and when his nice guyism doesn't work he slips into his wrath and Hyde persona against her. When he says he defeated her he's not cruel to her because he's evil (per se (though it's very arguable that he's evil)) but because he didn't win her and he thought she would be on his side, he was hurt and lashing out, he says 'how does it feel to be defeated?' not because he really feels he defeated her, but because he's projecting and in fact he feels he failed at least subconsciously. He saw her as like him and wanted her as a mate.
I picked up on Wednesday being Autistic right away, and I think that is one of the things that helped me watch her social blunders with empathy.
The Monster and the Mystery were intriguing, even up to the point where Wednesday realised that Tyler was the Hyde. But it went downhill from there pretty quickly, and it didn't seem to have an emotional payoff.
I'm also not sure how I feel about Enid getting to wolf out finally. I really loved how she stood up to her mom, and was embracing not turning furry for the first time, and boom, "she's a late bloomer". If they don't make her like, some prophesied bad ass wolf, I'll riot (jk)
That what Tim Burton did honestly I remember an fb friends mention it.
But Tim stated that she was not autistic?
@@Ootjee Big Bang said that Sheldon Cooper wasn't Autistic but that didn't keep Autistic people from seeing and identifying with him as Autistic.
I don't know how much research Tim Burton has had on Autism and how it presents in AFABs, but considering that most doctors don't know enough to diagnose little girls, I'm going to disregard Burton's comment
It might have been possibly more interesting if Enid had gone in with just her claws. Meaning that her heart and loyalty to those she cares about are what makes her strong.
It would need her having some lunar fuelled strength to make the fight less uneven, but would have possibly been more gripping. Because we would have no idea if it was a fight to her death.
Just my take on it.
I find Enid’s character interesting. She’s almost vomitly inducing bubblegum pop personality seems to be a facade, an over compensation for the things she lacks. You can see glimpses of the facade coming down through the show. I actually think this might be the reason Wednesday and her are able to “connect”.
In your other video that inspired me to watch the show, you said the point of the Addams is they didn't know they were weird. While that is mostly true in the first show it's also true the kids didn't go to school(As your clip showed).
In the first show, she was only 6yo. It would stand to reason that when the kids did finally go to a public school the kids would realize they were different.
There have been many Reddit posts dedicated to asking the question "What did your family do that you thought was normal?"(...It's also where I heard of a "poop knife" for the ones that won't go down the drain)
Most kids go through feeling like their families aren't like the other kid's families at least on some level and the older the kid gets the stronger the feeling may get.
The one constant with the main non-animated tellings of the Addams family is that each telling of the story the kids are a bit older so maybe it's just the natural progression that they(more so the kids) would learn they're a bit odd.
I loved your analysis of the original humor of the "The Addams Family" which was nicely adapted in the 1964 TV-show. And how it changed through the different later adaptions.
But I disagreed with your point how the Netflix show ruined "Wednesday" or "The Addams Family".
I think you are very right about how the modern societies are way more open and how it is most likely that a "The Addams Family" would be accepted despite their weirdness by people today.
But honestly, I think that the satire was always more about the normal people and their behaviour than about the Addams. They were always likeable characters, sympathetic for the audience.
I do not know the cartoons, but the 1964 TV show. And there, aside from all weirdness, it was always shown how the Addams have pretty relatable traits. The love between Gomez and Morticia, the love for their children. Fester is a crazy character, but a good brother and uncle to the kids.
But there is also something else: Gomez and Morticia are not afraid of or negative about social contacts to other people, like their neighbours (like you depicted, they do not even know how they are weird to them). But Wednesday and Pugsley may know that they are "outsiders" because of the interactions with other kids.
The 1990-movies played in some scenes with that in a way.
The thing about the Netflix-show is for me, that it actually is not just another adaption of "The Addams Family", but a continuation, in which Wednesday Addams has her "coming of age"-story.
A big motif of the show is, how Morticia and Gomez are actually hoping that Wednesday will enjoy her stay at the "Nevermore School" make some friends and have fun.
And this leads to your question about "Wednesday and autism spectrum": No, she is most likely not.
The problem of Wednesday is more the lack of social competence. Which is not her fault at all. How could she have ever learned any social competence, when she (and Pugsley) were always treated as outsiders and the kids in her former schools were totally hostile towards her?
This is in my expierence pretty realistic, even in a modern society.
As much as I disliked the idea of "Nevermore Academy", because it looked like something more fitting into "The Munsters"-franchise, it was a pretty nice way to put Wednesday among other kids, who are not really having that much of problems with her "weirdness", because they are "freaks themselves".
And this is why I think that Enid is one of the best parts of the show: Enid is sweet and friendly towards her new roommate, but Wednesday does not understand this, can not handle it. Again, because other kids were only hostile to her before and she lacks social competence for this situation.
In the show, Wednesday is learning that other people can actually be interested to be friend with her, but she has also to learn, that her bevavior, to be careless and negative towards other people, which was a useful shield against hostile kids, but is hurting now Enid and others, who are not acting hostile and do not deserve it. See the episode, when Enid is almost giving up on her, even questioning herself about "being to dependent". Enid confronted Wednesday with her feeling of being abused and mistreated by her, and gives Wednesday something to think about.
This is also a pretty realistic and a relatable thing. Or at least I can relate to it, because in my teenage years I was not a hugger as well. :D There were even people like "Enid" in my life and I gave them a hard time because I was too much used to be a sarcastic and cynical "loner". (But there was also a "Happy End")
About the "Murder Mystery"... yeah, well. I aggree it was not a really great story. But I honestly think, the great characters and their development making up for this.
Again, the show was very entertaining, giving us tidbits of the original Addams family premise of dark satire and twisted humor. But that's all that we were given. One of the things that was most characteristic of Wednesday was the line at the end of the first episode which was "Let's see. I narrowly avoided death twice, discovered that my father may be a murderer, learned that I could potentially destroy the school, and was mysteriously saved by a homicidal monster. As much as it pains me to admit, you were right, Mother. I think I'm going to love it here." (I do disagree with the "As much as it pains me to admit" part though.) Other than this, it was just witty one-liners that we all devoured like children eating Santa's cookies, and the macabre themes that Tim Burton and Danny Elfman are so prized for.
The monster thread added intrigue, but it was basically a red herring as the main points were the evils of religious zeal, learning to open oneself to others, accepting your parents, and coming into one's own. The body parts could have easily been obtained if Ms. Thornhill did it herself. OR Tyler could have done the murders but _without_ being a Hyde, adding more of a psychological, murder mystery element instead of a supernatural one.
My original thought was that Ms. Thornhill was a Hyde, which was a trait handed down from Joseph Crackstone. This felt more powerful and more political to me, especially in this day and age. If Joseph Crackstone were secretly a Hyde or maybe some form of sorcerer, that would have made his witch hunts and burnings all the more hypocritical. But in this show he's just a normie, meaning that literally anyone who is a religious zealot could be a monster like Crackstone, a political statement I am not at all fond of backing. We did see that hypocrisy somewhat when he was resurrected and used dark magic, but that could be attributed to simply the curse Woody placed on him, thus corrupting his pure religiosity with the same witchcraft he fought in real life. In short, I would have _much_ preferred a hypocritical Crackstone to a normie Crackstone that used magic only after resurrection.
Lastly, I also still stand by my observations on the Addams family dynamics, preferences, and social mindset. The family is not one of outcasts, but creepy, kooky, mysterious, and spooky freaks that don't realize they're freaks. In fact, they think everything and everyone outside of their property is freakish. This Addams family was _too_ integrated. Uncle Fester was one of the only members not sullied by either modernization or distortion of character, and maybe Thing and Lurch too. Pugsley was too depressed. Morticia was too sentimental. Gomez was too sullen (probably because of the murder scandal). Grandmama was probably dead. And I have clearly described Wednesday's character retcon.
Overall, the show was entertaining, fun-filled, and intriguing, and Jenna, Gwendoline, Luis, Catherine, and Christina all did a fabulous job in fulfilling the roles assigned to them. But flashy, bug-eyed monsters and pharisaical ghosts of the past can't all carry the plot.
I think one of the best things to do is look at it for what the show is a new adaptation of the family and especially Wednesday. Jenna's stated the biggest thing about making Wednesday unique was showing a new side to her as a teen and interacting with people and humanizing her a bit more. She also stated that Wednesday would take the role of an antihero and will stray from the traditional hero route which I mean yeah most people wouldn't be fine and happy to torture someone who they were romantically intertwined with a day ago. The point is because you know I'm bad at getting my point across sometimes the best way to look at this is a new adaptation of the characters and I do t think there's anything wrong with thst
i think its so sweet you decided to give wednesday a rewatch and were willing to change your opinion abt the show! u totally restored my faith in humanity for the day n convinced me to give the show another watch :)
Two markers that show a man of integrity are the ability to admit when you're wrong and the ability to stand firm when you know you're right. You sir have earned my subscription on integrity alone, never mind the fact that the videos are very thoughtful and entertaining.
What I appreciated were all references to literature. And not only do they work for people without knowledge about the actual reference, but they work deeper as well. For example the Mary Shelley Frankenstein situation with Thornhill. Obviously, it works with Thornhill being a version of Frankenstein and Tyler, her monster (which inherently begs the classic Frankenstein question, who is the monster, creator or creature) then on the level of creating the resurrected Pilgrim. And, the Mary Shelley reference is genius, yes, obviously, she is a writer, therefore Wednesdays "archnemesis". But which makes it work so more, is that Shelley had a complicated relationship to her father (a politician and somehow associated with Gothic literature as well) , and to her mother who was the famous Mary wollestonecraft, who died when she was young. She was always namedropped with her mother, associated and compared. And, her husband, Percy bysshe Shelly, famous romantic/Gothic poet was also very much in the spotlight. And let's not forget all the German places that are name dropped, and German, as Frankenstein was written in Geneva and in the story the actual creature was built in Ingolstadt. The references work on so many levels. Still trying to figure out all the poe references right now
It’s not very often that ppl can admit they were wrong about something, take the opinions of others into consideration, reevaluate, and actually change their own opinions in response not out of social pressure but their own reasoning. This is pretty cool of you. Good on you 🙌🏻
4:49 THIS. I’m autistic and couldn’t get this idea out of my head the whole time I was watching.
Me too. On both counts.
It's pretty neat you took commenters perspectives into account before giving the show a second chance. It means you're willing to admit to being wrong. A lot of UA-camrs I've noticed have that problem, where they angrily defend themselves without considering that they might be too harsh. This video is refreshing :)
"This channel is small. Its under 2k subscribers" 1 day ago. Next day 2.92k subs. Good for you!!
Ha! Thanks! Yeah, that was a big surprise. It was hard not to keep refreshing my phone at work!
I absolutely found Goody and Crackstone's story interesting because 1) It related to Wednesday's identity as an outcast and provided background behind the world of outcasts and normies and 2.) It is relevant to how young people today struggle with the legacy of ugly history and its effects on their own lives and identities. Crackstone's statue being vandalized is almost a perfect echo of the vandalization and removal of Confederate monuments.
Also, bigots are never consistent with their personal standards and are almost always hypocrites, so Crackstone using magic just so he can kill the people he hates doesn't strike me as odd at all. I think a lot of other unanswered questions can be cleared up later seasons.
Your channel is a gold mine, I love your takes and I absolutely love your voice. I hope this channel grows, keep it up! :)
I actually didn’t like the overall show as I was watching it, mainly because of the writing, but your videos have really presented me a new perspective and even though I’m not gonna rewatch the first season, I will definitely check out the second season now.
Great content: subscribed 👍
Here’s a fun meta thing that you brought my attention to: if Wednesday is a terrible detective, and we trust her as the story’s apparent protagonist, then the classic unawareness of the Addams family that you described in your previous episode is transferred not only to the poor sleuth, but to the audience! We become just as blind as Gomez to what is “normal”: we don’t know whom to trust, and we think everything that is not Wednesday is odd (even if she herself is highlighted as odd in a more literal way).
As far as the monster arc goes, I did find myself drawn to parallels between Crackstone and the modern political landscape, but if it was intended as a critique, it could have run deeper; I agree that the ending felt too easy.
Fun fact: Wednesday's only good comebacks from the show are taken from some of the 90s series. "Nobody tortures my brother but me" came straight from The New Addams Family
We’re all wrong from time to time man, and it take a lot to admit you’re wrong. I applaud you for doing so and I respect it too. As a reward, I’ll subscribe!
Blink if you’re held at the gunpoint by Wednesday’s fans 😂
I really don't like it how Wednesday develops "feelings" for someone. I liked her much more in the previous shows where she's more of an intelligent sadistic psychopath who people should not relate with, but find humor in the situations and interaction with normal people. Maybe I could understand her coming of age and being intrigued by guys, but from her own perspective, she's not interested in the suspect and his drive to kill or disregard for life as a common interest, she goes for the normal guy. That for me is just makes no sense and shows how the writers don't understand the character and the Addams family in general. Also the sadistic part of her character is outright missing form her portrayal in the Netflix show.
If the writers wanted to include a love story in the show, they should have focused on Morticia and Gomez. Sexualizing Wednesday was a bad decision from my point of view.
*SPOILER WARNING*
On top of that, a show which should be a comedy, is turned into a crime show. That wouldn't be that bad, if it was at least a decent crime story, but it's bad. The focus of the story is trying to figure out who's the killer, but Wednesday goes accusing people without concrete evidence. That action depicts her as not very intelligent.
The side story with the prophecy was a boring one. I do understand normies vs weirdos is important for the Addams family humor in general, but it was poorly executed in my opinion.
The side story with the murder coverup by Gomez was a good one. I think it nicely fits the narrative and doesn't seem out of character for any of the parties involved. Though I do think at least a bit of comedy would have been appropriate.
I do think the main actress is very beautiful and I can remember a couple of times while watching the show my hard cold heart turned to warm mushy jelly. There is just something so alluring about her dark eyes. I feel like the more I look at them the more vulnerable I become. In contrast I'm usually more uncaring or even detached when it comes to beauty on screen.
In general I do feel people are watching and liking the show mainly because the main actress is beautiful and plays the role (to the extent it can be played). After all Wednesday should be expressionless in most of the scenes. I think the majority of the acting is being done by the supporting cast. Especially the werewolf roommate acts her pert very well. I can see the production value and effort involved in the show are great and for the most part I do like it. I just wish the writing was better and character portrayal was more closely aligned with the source material and not it's derivatives.
Ok, I really do appreciate the analysis of Wednesday, but I think you are delving into so much more then what is there. Sometimes a show is just a show and I have loved the Addams family since I was kid watching reruns in the 70s. You just have to either like it or not but over analyzing it I feel demeans the true fun of the show and it’s original works in the Saturday evening post and Sunday comic strips not to mention everything else after it. To be clear though, if you gave that analysis in a college classroom I would say you were spot on, but not everyone is a college scholar so sometimes a series is just a fun romp with some old friends we grew up watching and there is nothing wrong with that. Btw… I did love the show. I would have changed some casting but I binged the whole thing till 5 in the morning. Lol😂 ( good work on the analysis though. Very intelligent thought.)
Hm. This Wends day does seem to have Asperger's. The Wends day's, of the movies, and the whole Adam's clan, read more like a gang of psychopaths, They are generally (though not always) less loyal to each other, but they are causal cruel to other's. In fact, that is the main joke. The casual, dead pan monotone voice when Wends day implies to her younger brother that she is going to kill him. The way that they discuss horrible things without emotions as if they were normal. They are all on the Sociopathic spectrum. But Wendsday happens to be the most clever, the least emotional, the most charming, and the most psychopathic, of them all
I think you did a great job describing the evolution of Addams depiction across their various iterations over the years. The only point I still disagree on is the moral of the story - I think the ending was not about how Wednesday should conform to the norms, but that she should realise how manipulative and hurtful she was being towards her friends. Throughout the series she treats everyone as tools, but by the end has some actual character growth. I think it will be interested in future series seeing Wednesday who is still herself, but actually pays attention to what her freinds say and what their needs are.
in a way, the school represents how everyone today likes to say they accept wierdness untill they see someone who is actually wierd, and then they dont know how to handle it so they push them away
I think the Crackstone piece helped cement the New England location, so it worked for me. I would have also liked to see more of all the students. Glad you gave it a second look.
Watching the series for a second time makes everything worse. Every single thread you pull on makes the whole thing fall apart more and more
Wednesday has given me pause to think about many things about the series. 1) if we assume that the series takes place in 2022 her becoming 16 makes her birthday in 2006. There's only 2 months that have a Friday the 13th (January and October). 2) that fact and New England is usually covered in snow in January I would lean towards her birthday being October 13,2006 which makes her a Libra, balance is very important in that personality (like the dorm room becoming half color and half black and white, a cheerful roommate to her non-emotional state, Goody has platinum blonde hair and wears white to Wednesday's black hair and black attire (the fact that Goody becomes one with Wednesday bringing her more into balance)). There's a few other things that make me feel like Balance is a big part of the story that Wednesday is becoming a more balanced person at the end of the season.
Astrology ain’t real
@@monty103 Neither are vampires, werewolves, gorgons or sirens. Writers use a lot of things that don't exist irl as elements of storytelling. So, what's your point?
You were still right about the Addams “feel” from the 60s and the original cartoon.
Someone on UA-cam actually willing to adjust their opinion in light of new information?! Will wonders never cease! Your new "reading" of Wednesday as a possible analog for neurodivergence actually makes me think more about my comment on the prior video. the one about how it seems like she has become something of a beacon for certain parts of younger women in society. I think you may be onto something here. Not only is it the Darkness that people are relating to, but it's the other aspects. Just a thought. I think both of your videos are fair and useful points of view. Awesome as usual.
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rewatching wednesday is what made me obsessed with the show. i watched it with a friend in english for the first time and was absolutely happy with the show, but not exactly blown away. then i rewatched it with my mum in german and even though i absolutely hate german dubs and it makes me cringe, somehow rewatching wednesday even under those circumstances made it so much better. and now i watch it again and again to see if i find new things (i usually do) and rethink my takes on all these characters. it's grade and not the first time netflix succeeded in doing that to me.
Glad you made this vid. Its crazy how re reading or watching Mysteries has a totally different effect. the 'ooooooohhhh stars above!" its a great feeling.
From what I understood about Crackstone, he himself is a demon/outcast, and is projecting his hate outwards onto other outcasts. When Goody sliced him in the neck, his wound healed instantly, and he called her "the devil's daughter herself" or something along those lines (I don't remember).
I just watched your first vid and then the second one and my opinions about Wednesday changed within minutes. Your comment section and subscribers really were awesome and you are too.
1st in your previous video, you did an excellent job in contrasting the comedic premises. In this video you verified that a 2nd look is always needed to tease out what we often miss especially from new perspectives.
I was about to unload on you for the first review. Then I saw this. Wednesday sees the world through a dark lens. Important to see that.
Mate, this video made me subscribe. Not many people would make a video essentially talking about how they were wrong and your ability to be open to other peoples opinions is really inspiring.
Thanks! I appreciate your subscription! Yeah, I think one of the best parts of doing these videos has been having my mind changed by people who have shared their different perspectives.
Your set up is very cool
I honestly loved Wednesday because of the mystery! But I’m also someone who loves a good mystery. And ultimately the mystery of who the Hyde was was definitely more interesting to me than Joseph Crackstone.
I loved watching “Thing” moving around your set. 😁😁😁
that hand in the background keeps moving🤨
love your content!:)
I watched your original video about Wednesday and while I didn't agree with everything you said, I really love the way you analyzed the characters and the show. It did make me look at the show more critically. I still think there's a valid perspective in your first video.
I love that you made both of these videos. My new favorite channel
Well, I am impressed. It was late at night when I first started watching your first review of Wednesday, and felt you missed or overlooked key elements. I saw a commentator say "it's not about Wednesday learning to care about what others think of her, more to care about those who also care for her." (I think I paraphrased, apologies)
I didn't make it completely thru the vid the first time, as I was tired and not ready to give the in-depth comment in reply that I knew I was planning. I saw some other comments pointing out some of these things.
The next day, before I could finish watching your first review the second one popped into my feed. That got me intrigued, so I finished the first vid (which had some interesting information and perspective) then watched this one. Brilliant. Don't feel bad cause you are admitting you got it wrong and that with new information and a rewatch comes new perspective sometimes. You learnt something, and in doing such you shared that to enlighten others instead of letting ego get in the way. Anyways, have a like, comment and subscribe. seeya around :)
On the mystery they should have done one or the other. The monster (discovering it was Tyler) or following her ancestors history (stopping the resurrection of crackstone). I feel both were too much.
The previous video was my first exposure to your channel, and I agreed with your analysis completely but simply reached the different conclusion of enjoying the direction the series took. Your willingness to give the show a second chance cements a subscription, keep up the good work.
Thanks! Yeah, pretty much every video I've made on this channel has been met with really smart and thoughtful commenters who have changed my opinion on some aspect of the TV show or movie that I'm discussing. Hearing new perspectives and having my mind changed have been the great unexpected pleasures of starting this channel!
Over double the channel growth from a mature second take!! Awesome stuff.
As I said on your previous video. There is a way to fix the detective laziness if we can call it that because Wednesday doesn’t necessarily have to be a detective nor this a detective series but rather a show about a person exploring their alternatives through growing up.
Wednesday can be inept as a detective and that’s ok. Because this gives her rooms to grow.
If we go by your early critique of the Adams family. This scenario can be made to be a satirical joke kind of like the original tv incarnation.
For example:
In a later season Wednesday can be made aware that she has been unaware that her powers aids her and that she doesn’t really have great detective skills. That can be something that everyone notices but she is unaware of. However her drive for truth is aided by her power. So it goes hand in hand. Ultimately she doesn’t have to be a detective or be any good at being a detective. Because she really is not a detective. She is wait for it…. A writer!
All the main characters in the show are actually everyones individuals personalities in our "world" which makes the show better understanding of ourselves. Thats why they are "outcasts." Everyone in the school are rejected by society. In our "world," we are not called outcast but are called creepy or weird. Tyler being the monster is also important because the shows telling us that the guys that are too nice and way too emotional could also be a "monster" meaning using every innocent emotion to, saddest emotion, friendliest emotion-just trying their best to trick a person into doing things they want. Thats why Tyler was a good monster in this part because he used "emotions" as manipulation.
Coming from a 90s kid who was first introduced to the series from scooby doo, the movies and the 90s tv series. I thought the show worked. It wasn’t the traditional Addams family show but the shows not called the Addams family so I can get over that. Jenna was a great Wednesday. The show isn’t perfect if you watch the show hoping for the traditional Addams family show it’s not there but it’s great for what it is. Can’t wait for a season 2. My only wish was Christina Ricci being morticia. But I’m glad she was on the show.
Am I the only one who noticed that the background changes.
I think with Tylar from the bits and Peices I've seen talked about (I may watch this eventually, donno yet, but I may actually watch it to see if there's actual hints of this theory here) is that Tylar is suppose to be written to be an example of how sometimes people aren't trust worthy even when they're close to you. An example of how Narssistic Relationships do happen. It both worked and didn't work it sounds like because there's actually different forms of Narssistic Style behaviors but some of the most main ones are:
The Grandious (the typical that we know of in most movies and media and what people thinks is the most common but not actually)
the Benigne (the fun loving Narssisist that only care about fun, and the "least" harmful until you try to connect on a deeper level but can't because they tell you you're killing the vibe)
The Vurniable (The one I think my theory hinges on to see if they actually did it correcting and have to see for myself because it's the "Woe is me" kind that seems harmless but the more you try to help them the more they make you feel like crap because they blame the world for their unfairness lot in life),
the Maligiant (the most dangerous of them as it kinda combinds Mechivellism, and the one which actually causes a lot of abuse as they just don't care when the mask is down, you're a means to an ends),
the Mixture (where you have the mix and match of these verious kinds which is more likely to actually happen)
I think what they were *trying* to do with Tylar (again, a theory I need to confirm or deny when watching the show) is play with how vurniable Wendsday actually is with her mistrust with isolation of everyone and how very isolated she can become if prayed upon by someone who is actually a narssist and try to isolate her more. But Also another level of showing flaws of the other charaters as what the Theripist did isn't exactly... great either as it's combative and causes people to not do great in connecting. I'm sure she does mean well but it does cause more of a barrier for Wendsday to connect understandably. It honestly does sound like it would be a great story to watch as they're exploring a very untalked about point about vurnability and having a good social group that would help you through really rough patches of trying to understand the world.
A UA-camr going back and revisiting an opinion!?!?! Earns my sub good man.
I really had to watch it all a second time anyway because it genuinely fly over my head that principal Weems was a shapeshifter.
Like I actually thought someone had killed Weems as well as Rowan and was filling in for Weems so as to take the most control over the Rowan incident as opposed to Weems just being a shapeshifter and making the 'Rowan just wanted to leave' story as believable as possible because she wanted to preserve the schools reputation.
Now I know it was the latter of the two you can imagine it cleared up a hell of a lot of confusion
Ha! Yeah. Even though I enjoy the show a lot more now, I think its biggest problem is how many things don't work on a first watch. As you point out, it can be actively confusing at times.
I found it interesting that the oxymoron was used in the contest of Crackstone's resurrection and his death. His magical resurrection, and his laic death at the hand of an outcast.
Wow, I just found this channel and I love it. I came for the cute puppet and ended up staying for his awesome videos
Multiple plotlines are nice. Joseph Crackstone is connected since his descendent stalked Morticia, and since Wednesday is a descendent of Goody Addams, she is the only person who can defeat him.. Anyway, it works for me.
This second video has earned you a new subscriber. I was surprised by (and liked) the darkness of the show, enjoyed Jenna Ortega, the friendships with Eugene and Enid, Enid's character, Of course I knew who the baddie was from episode One but it doesn't matter. I still think Gomez and Morticia were sadly miscast and badly written and the CGI is clumsy. But I still enjoyed the show. BTW, I'm in my sixties, and grew up with the original show, but I enjoy a wide range of stories, not just those for my age group.
Also i will subscribe to any new youtuber who truly shows his fans the time of day and admits when he was mistaken, you have completely won me over as a fan, You even showed me some things to like about the show and i already loved the show initially.
For me is a good enjoyable show but not a good adaptation of Addams family. Is more like a mystery show featuring Addams family.
oh and totally off topic, love the puppet! I've been a big fan of Jim Henson's work ever since Seasame Street and before that, Supermarionation here in the UK which used string puppets vs hand ones.
Can't wait to see this channel grow! One suggestion, you should try adding a rotoscope of the puppet on the thumbnail and see if that attracts more clicks to your video. Not sure if that will actually work but it doesn't hurt spicing things up :)
It took me two watches to truly appreciate it, it’s totally worth going into it again with a open mind
I agree completely. Or, if you don't go into it with an open mind, the second-best option is to make a UA-cam video and let a few hundred commenters convince you to give it another shot!
You are litearlly the most wholesome soul ever
The whole thing with Crackstone. Wednesday was suppose to fight him. It was her destiny. That part made perfect sense.
I definitely agree with the idea that Wednesday was coded Neurodivergent. After recently rewatching the series Community, I totally got Abed vibes from Wednesday in that she completely struggles to read social cues, and understand Neurotypical expressions of emotion and how to reciprocate them properly. It's some thing she slowly starts to open up and begin to understand at the end of the season.
As for Crackstone and the magic staff stuff...maybe it was just me, but I felt it was implied that Crackstone himself was a witch or a practitioner of magic and got rid of the outcasts to deflect who the real witch was in the area. Maybe I'm wrong and I read that into the story when it was not there at all.
I fully agree about the mystery and the ending. A lot of unanswered questions, a dumb ultimate villain, and a very unsatisfying conclusion. The showdown between Wednesday and Crackstone was prophesied 30 years in advance yet it only lasted 10 minutes and he got taken out with a couple random stab wounds by two girls with really interesting powers and skills who didn’t use any of those to beat him? I couldn’t be bothered to care. In my option Legacies does it better, it’s essentially the same show but the ultimate villain is actually threatening and difficult to defeat. The characters make real sacrifices and have to use all their skills and teamwork to save their school.
I have never watched The Addams family, and I really liked the show.
About the finale:
For me having Crackstone use magic kinda works.
I like the irony, that he uses magic to try to rid the word of magic users while (presumably) not even realising he's one of them.
what I love about Wednesday is that she became more human every episode
as a neurodivergent. i saw alot of similarities between me and wednesday. and i was like why is she me irl and ppl need to watch this so they can understand me
I think that's an interesting perspective, thanks for sharing it!
I honestly was also let down by the ending and the whole Joseph Crackstone narrative (honestly I just chalked Joseph's whole "I'm suddenly ok with magic and resurrection" as a part of the villain's hypocrisy, which is honestly not too far fetched from real world cults and other hyper extreme fanatics. Would've been nice if they had brought it up however: like if Wednesday brought up the hypocrisy as a sassy remark to Joseph & his followers and they had a whole line to reestablish "oh it's fine if I do it, but it's different if you do and that makes you a monster. The whole, "I'm the exception" mindset of things.)
Second: Yeah, the whole "Goody heals Wednesday" felt like a very messy wrap up.
I still think the monster was an ok plot point: more as a background event for Wednesday to solve. I felt like Wednesday plays a more morbid interest in murders and such like a very deadpan Sherlock Holmes: it's not so much the murder or the murder's backstory we care about but his display of intelligence (and in Wednesday's case, absolute lack of care for social restraints so she can get the job done + smarts) that makes it entertaining to watch. Kinda like as if she doesn't really care that people are murdered, it's just more of a fun brain exercise to her and the fact that she can't figure it out just yet is what's frustrating her more than anything else. I kind of wish they went even more with this angle because of how the Addams franchise has been. On that note, it would've been so cool if they had a more death/resurrection power/theme because of how nonchalant they are about death and murder, rather than the whole seer sight ability. I wish they had stuck more with the whole Addams being comfortable with death and gore, but explain it in a way that makes sense to us the viewers why they find that normal.
Like imagine: the whole Addams have a sort of Zombie, immortal/unkillable power and that's why they're so undisturbed by people dying/can't understand why people find it a scary thing. If we wanted to raise the stakes, we could make Wednesday grow close to people and learn that her powers are not absolute, making sure there's actual potential losses in the story.
Also wasn't a fan of the whole fact she's at odds with her family. I would get it if Morticia and Gomez was getting too soft in their old age (since Wednesday is a teenager now) and she finds that disgusting, like some sort of teenage angst faze. Again, could be explained by their inability to die: Morticia and Gomez actually are against killing strangers because they understand what it means from the mortal's perspective and can sympathize. Wednesday does not until she goes through this whole journey at Nevermore.
Regardless I do love the series Wednesday, and I just wanted to put in my 2 cents haha. xD
Yeah I agree, though from what I hear in the potential Wednesday season 2 there is going to be a greater focus on the family and well Wednesday so lets hope the writers learn from their mistakes and season 2 assuming it happens falls more in line with Wednesday being well Wednesday rather then this goofy Ghost demon Pilgrim bullshit.
The series is getting a second season