Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come. The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
I watched the entire podcast and am so impressed with Jason’s professionalism and ability to separate opinion from fact. Jason gave ya’ll a free masterclass and you didn’t even know it.
Fact: Matt and Zach didn't even touch the cybertruck and look how much they criticized the vehicle. That's unfair for all the people who worked hard on the vehicle.
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come. The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
Are you kidding? Firstly Matt was on the mark on nearly EVERYTHING. Further watch an expert put Jason in his place regarding redundancy in episode 892.
As an engineer who used to work for a supplier (did rear steer development on Hummer EV), it's nice to hear Jason actually know what he's talking about with the technical stuff. I appreciate it when journalists educate themselves beyond a level of "this feels good, I dislike this" etc
If i am not mistaken he is an engineer, so it makes sense that he explains these technicalities the best of all the journalists. Because he is the only one who actually knows what they're talking about.
hes wrong about multiple things though. he's uncritically regurgitating tesla's claims about NHTSA findings that even NHTSA has made statements that Tesla needs to stop claiming.
@criznashj before the CyberTrk test drove he was a skeptic of Tesla I'm sure afterwards heshocked what them Tesla engineers have done and come up with.For ICE diehards a months experience will make converts of them
@@criznashYou are uneducated about Tesla and so are most, even those of the automotive veterans and legacy auto, and that is why a decade after the Tesla modS was released legacy auto still has not caught up and come up with a " Tesla Killer"!
I’ve never watched this podcast before, only here for Jason. But the unbelievable biased hate against Tesla from the, I assume regular host, is honestly disgusting. I’m glad people like Jason exist in this field.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
No kidding, the guy with the beard is clearly a Tesla and Musk hater, no matter how much they deliver, he will always criticize their products. I'm very glad Jason is such a good journalist and professional at his job, great job of separating personal opinions from facts.
He's just another jumped up trust fund baby. His old man is brilliant to be honest, but Matt has become insufferable over the last few years. I wish Zac would just walk away and start his own thing as he's down to earth.
This was a masterclass on how to conduct yourself in a debate, and how NOT to do that. Thank you Jason for staying neutral in your arguments and sticking to cold hard facts, even while being answered strictly with opinions.
@@sparkpaul bingo! His behavior is either intentional or its not... either way listening to his incessant deflection and complete inability to realize/accept he was proven wrong over and over is insufferable.
After watching this, my conclusion is that Jason is professional, well researched and as objective as he can and the other guy is none of those things.
@@JeffKubeluhm but uhm well well i mean well uhh in court i would say “elon opened the door”. (speaking to a guy who actually has a law degree hahahha)
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come. The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
And you're entirely missing the point. Was Jason Cammisa's piece about the Cybertruck essentially fluffing for Elon Musk? Whether he was paid to do so or not, he was. That should be commented upon.
This video is a prime example that lies/ bad facts take mere moments to say and it takes someone who knows all the facts 10-20x as much time to debunk these lies/bad facts
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come. The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
I'd just like to give props to Jason for his grace and kindness here, and also to Matt for his courage to put himself in that type of situation and be open to discussion and critique. None of this is easy between two people, especially in a public setting.
Now we need a link to Jason’s document! He put so much time and effort into it that it needs to be shared. It is basically the required reading for this free masterclass in journalistic integrity.
Lol journalistic integrity. His cybertruck review was a puff piece, just because he didn't lie about much doesn't mean he made an objective review. I can't believe how bad people are at critical thinking and reading between the lines.
@mittortz you don't say how Jason's review was a puff piece and point to nothing to support your argument...he, unlike you and I, had access to the actual engineers that built the thing. He has years of automotive industry journalism. He's admitted to not liking the truck personally, but couldn't get over the advancements that came with the car. So...how was it a puff piece?
Jason nailed it at 18:18. When you’re a journalist, you need to check your own feelings and emotions at the door. That IS the problem with journalism nowadays. Bias. Check your bias, present the facts, and dress it in an entertaining way, without projecting your bias. It’s one of the things that makes journalism so damn hard.
Before watching this (cause it's f...in long?!), I love Jason, been watching his content for more then 10 years now, but CT video was a lot of show and not so much facts. And I can understand that, you need views, you need show, but it was kinda bias, not like "I hate Tesla" bias, but "I need a show" bias, if you know what I mean... I will feel free to edit this comment after watching the full video 😁
I've been skipping the Tesla segments for years. Matt can't control his bias and let's Elon live rent free in his head. I'm not saying ignore the bad stuff he has trouble admitting they are objectively good cars for most people.
@@blackrippin Present "some facts" like he did in favour of the CT. I've been watching Cammisa for 10y but him and LIEberman became bias to Tesla most of the time. Matt may be wrong on a couple of things but his overall arguments are right.
Shout out to Jason for a well prepared and presented stfu to Matt. Respect to Matt for taking it on the chin and making amends with Jason. We've all benefited from this demonstration in professionalism.
Matt apologized. We should give him a chance. He was called up by a big name, not by little people like you and me. It will be interesting to see how things roll up from now on.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
I’m an engineer working in the mechatronics and autonomy space and I have to say that I’d always been a fan of Jason but this only solidified it - some of the comments from Matt and Zach were pretty ill informed sadly 😅
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
@@RobFromDenverlet me tell you this if you put your family in anything other than Tesla you are not taking best care of your family .. and this is a fact
Hearing Jason say he was disappointed in Matt really hit home. I would hate having Cammisa 'disappointed' in me, and you can tell Matt feels like shit. Also, how great is it seeing adults work through their disagreements.
My point is you shouldn't call "AUTOPILOT" what is an advanced cruise control, because it is a misleading wording, and all the explanations afterwards is not a fix. We have engineers and highly educated people dicking around with autopilot, Camisa itself says "I drive more intensively because I rely on my radar auto brakes". The point is you shouldn't rely on that even if radar is superior to cameras, like you shouldn't over rely on ABS/ESP and the wathever other assist. If you don't want to seal with all the complications of driving, take a taxi.
Just became a huge Jason Fan! Even though you could tell he felt some type of way about the attack on his credibility, his arguments were fact based and on topic without wading into personal nonsense and having to reference “expert” conversation
This will probably be the only time I watch this channel. It was amazing to watch how many times Jason brought actual evidence in data only to be countered by a broken record about feelings and hearsay and rumors. It is pretty clear Matt is obtuse and comprised when it comes to an honest data driven review.
Took me 3 days to get through this podcast.... Jason is just soo good, his views on facts vs opinions should be something everyone strides to do it is really insightful but I have to say I don't understand Matt. They talked for 2 hours and 30 minutes and not once did it seem like he understood anything Jason said to him. I have to wonder how hard the truth had to hit him in the face for him to wake up. Tesla is not an evil company by any means and they are doing so much to bring forward the whole automotive industry. Opening up their patents, the book on 48V is epic and they even store their gigacastings outside so all competitor can see them in the flesh. Seems like Matt couldn't get past the Tesla autonomy demo video from 2016. The facts are that of course Tesla should have used another language in the video, the driver was needed. When people say the video is fake it is not entirely true, the Tesla actually did drive that route in one shot BUT they tried like 100 times that failed before the "perfect" one. We are in 2023, why do we need to go back to 2016. This makes no sense! Today more than 100.000 Teslas on US roads are equipped with the FSD software. So anyone knows someone who has access to FSD. Go try it for yourself, it is brilliant for 99% of the time and horrible for the last 1%. It is by no means FULL-SELF-DRIVING but it is also not a death machine or a scam. I would love to see Matt actually try a Tesla with FSD sometime you have to face your demons... and boy does Matt see a lot of demons at Tesla. Think about it Matt or the world will leave you behind.
Brilliant comment! You are spot on here. Tesla is the most forward looking company I know of constantly improving and iterating. It makes 0 sense to point out something they did wrong in the past and get fixated on that, when by now they have already addressed it, since they are constantly experimenting and learning. That’s their company culture. I will also point out that FSD is in BETA which is why it’s clearly called FSD BETA. Personally I would never pay for beta software but the 400k people that did, they did that on their own will. They were not tricked into buying it like your typical car dealership sales guy who tricks you into buying a LoJack and a bunch of other options you don’t need.
@Killyang True, we all knew what the current abilities of the system was. Also technical and legislational hurdles was known for years. Sure Elon has been optimistic for years but who listened to him anyways. Always think for yourself, it is your money 😉
I wanted to yell at Matt at multiple points during this podcast, just to tell him "use the damn thing before you talk shit about it." I have used FSD beta, from v10.69 to 11.3 to 11.4.9 now. It is imperfect, and I'd put it at 85-90% reliable. There are some common edge cases it struggles with. However, when you use the tech, it is damn impressive. No other automaker is currently making this level of autonomy accessible to do many people, despite it still being level 2 (which puts the onus on the driver to pay attention). I want him to get his ass off the moped, wipe the "FSD runs over children in school zone" bias from his mind, and just live with it. Perhaps only after then will he realize how capable it is and why you shouldn't feel unsafe as a motorcycle rider when riding in traffic with Teslas on the road.
After watching this I’ve come to realize Matt is the embodiment of every Reddit moron whose uninformed take is argued either in bad faith or sheer hatred, but quite easily debunked. Like…just flat out saying the bed is unusable? Based on what experience Matt? You really think the taper nullifies the claim that the bed can fit drywall?? You literally think a pointy nose means more pedestrian maiming? Are you actually 7 years old? I hope you are embarrassed.
Engineer: You know a mechanical steering can fail. Chances are low but they do fail. Specially in a damaged vehicle. Matt: No problem....I trust it completely. It's mechanical. I would rather have a bolt loosen and make my steering fall on my lap. Engineer: But steer by wire will avoid that issue. We have more redundancies than a mechanical one andit could fail. Chances are extremely rare. Matt: You mean there's a chance...!!! I don't trust it. 😑
People trust what they understand and what they have experience with. Numbers are meaningless to the part of the brain that assesses danger, only experience matters. And this can work in perverse ways. For example we aren't afraid of car accidents, but some are afraid of flying, and most people are terrified of nuclear accidents, while in reality you are far far more likely to die in a car than being killed by nuclear radiation, and planes are somewhere in between.
@@andrasbiro3007 Yes, that's true. A variety of conclusions can be drawn from the same data set. It's how you interpret the data. And some people take advantage of this very fact to muddy the water. I think one should not only.be critical of they have been presented with but also look out for other conclusions as well so you will have some framework to go by.
Great to see Jason on the podcast to air any differences of ‘opinion’ that all parties may have. Sometimes our judgement can be clouded, but getting past it with actual discussion is the sign of a real mature adult.
Bringing up Missy Cummings *severely* degrades credibility in this dude. She's not remotely an expert on driver assistance systems, but instead, openly emotionally hostile to Tesla, it's in her Tweets. 38:15
@@AlexanderGreb77 Smoking tire made it immature by offering to apologize then continue to make unsubstantiated claims and underdeveloped opinions.Jason shouldnt have had to take them apart, but they basically begged for it and Jason was 1000X more prepared.
@@AlexanderGreb77 Kudos to MATT for having the nads to hash this out on his own channel but his incessant deflection and complete inability to realize/accept he was proven wrong over and over is hardly adult.
A great example of adults acting mature about a disagreement - something we don't tend to see much these days, especially here on YT. TST has long been my favorite source of automotive news and entertainment.
Disagreements tend to not be as low stakes as "do you like car". Maturity in disagreement is a privilege for those who have nothing material to lose in that disagreement.
I'm a self proclaimed Tesla Elon Musk hater much like Matt lol but objectively you can at least appreciate the way in which that company has revolutionised the EV industry and made them kinda cool albeit in a goofy or gaudy kind of way. Also, Teslas are overrated piles of trash and Matt does make some good points about that brand, it's boss and how they both conduct their business but true integrity in journalism as Jason has pointed out here is simply laying out the facts for what really they are with no bias or favouritism or whatever. And Matt unfortunately can't seem to allow his judgement to override his obvious hatred for the boss (Musk is pretty easy to hate Tbf) and just call it down the middle as he should. You can't misrepresent be it intentionally or otherwise your own personal views as facts cos then you've effectively lost all credibility as a journalist, period.
His position on what exactly? His 'review' (more of a presentation tbh) was focused on engineering and innovation. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall him claiming anything about the car's overall reliability or it being 'good at being a truck/SUV'. What I do recall is people s*itting all over him for saying anything positive about the car they have a strong opinion about despite they've never driven or even seen one in the flesh at the point of publishing his video.
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come. The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
Wow. What a beat down. This is what happens when logical argument meets an emotional one, lol. Loved watching Jason make this adult baby tap dance for 2 hours 😂
Refreshing to find a youtube creator who do not totally live and die by clicks. UA-cam is like a kid teasing animals with food on a string. As soon as the animals get close they pull away the food.
I hope you found his shows on Hagerty and Issimi; Icons, Spotlight, Revelations and Ultimate Drag Race are imo the best automotive content in the business
Props to Matt and Co. for being standup individuals and allowing Jason to come on their podcast and spend an hr + skewering them for their mistakes to their face, taking it on the chin and owning it. Not many outlets these days would agree to something like this without spending half the time shouting him down and trying to discredit him/distract their audience. Jason started the conversation with the most important part, the UA-cam automotive space seems huge but really isn’t that big. Anyone who knows both these channels and people wants you all to be successful and is supportive of all of you.
Matt was still trying to justify his reasons, but all it is that he is a Tesla and Elon Hater. He goes beyond the boundaries as a so called Jounalists and uses his personal reasons why he hates Tesla and Elon as an reason for his judgement. This is what the main media does now instead of giving out facts regardless of their like or dislike of a company or a person. Everything is a half baked facts, and more of an PERSONAL opinions without real facts.
@@1flash3571 That was right on point!!! I think we (the people) have been misled so many times by the Media that instead of giving us reality, they give us their distorted vision of reality. The one thing I will say in Matt's defense is that there is a difference between not having the facts and distorting them. Some people are not paying attention and try to fill in the blanks... this is what I think Matt is doing....I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here.
@@trentonfettig7265 On a personal note, when I first saw the Cybertruck, I thought it was a joke and there was a "real" truck coming out later. Then I saw the truck in person at a local Tesla Store and I was in awe. I can't understand why there is such a huge difference but there is. The technology part is amazing. The proof will be in the pudding, on how well drives. that is what really matters, looks and all that aside, that is what should be the focus
Matt the best thing you did is invite Jason for a real face to face talk - much respect. Other than that, there’s no doubt he taught you a master class in 'facts don’t care about your ill advised feelings'
Im sure many of these car youtubers are paid by the anti-tesla lobby. The main stream media is also very anti Tesla and misrepresents info all the time.
Yes, and you NEED to see Jason Cammisa's short documentary (that's what they are) of the Tesla Plaid on the Hagerty channel. It's the one where they compare the Lucid to the Tesla Plaid, and the video editing and Jason's narrative performance in that video is just so, so awesome. It's the coolest video editing of any car video so far.
Watching Matt And Zack get all hurt is probably the funniest thing about this video . “ thanks for explaining video production to me “ is where Zack crumbled 😂😂
That part genuinely made me sad. Then cringe. Then just sad again. How one gets this triggered over absolutely nothing is puzzling to me. I genuinely thought Zack was the level-headed one of the two UNTIL I heard that. Funny how a single moment can change your entire opinion on someone forever…
At 18:00 he kinda lost me. ICONS isn't a review, it's not supposed to inform buyers, it's just cool car content. Jason's Cyber video literally has 'review' in the title. A review isn't a presentation. There was nothing critical about the truck in Jason's video. Given what we know about the cybertruck now, Jason's video seems way too positive. Matt also didnt have the paper Jason was working off of ahead of time. With a bit more prep, perhaps matt could have had some better counter points. Jason said a lot of 'idk' but as a journalist I think he gas an obligation to ask questions in the realm of what matt is pining about.
Fair point, he wasn't able to do a real world review so it shouldn't be called that. But it took me 3 minutes to find 3 negative things he said about the car in that video, back to back. So... That part's not true. JC got a public dispute with what he said in that video from MF so he prepared a response. MF was actually leading the way in this discussion and they were talking about things unrelated to the truck a lot of time but JC was still able to argue with his claims on the spot while Farah had a hard time backing his arguments. Nobody denied him the right to prepare himself, he chose not to.
@pdcichosz non true at all? What thodr soft playful jabs? Thats that was superficial criticism. Also, absolutely not - matt came to apologize JC came with a manifesto, which he didnt provide before time. Few people could have fended off JCs points without preparation. I feel that someone else more knowledgeable than matt would have squashed/exposed many of JCs points - i found them well thought out only on the surface and begging for counterpoints which mike failed to provide
I think Matt does excellent work, except when it comes to Tesla IMO. I think he's fighting a giant bias against the company and Elon in his reporting of the company, and it seems it's very difficult for him to view the company through any other lense.
@@JSmooVE3990he didn’t like them before that too. lol. He actually made more comments on them before his wife got fired. Had a Matt vs Tesla counter on older podcasts.
Really ticks me off because I respect his stuff but it’s so obvious when it comes to the one company that has truly changed the industry in so many ways.
1:29:13 I literally slapped my hand down and said "YES!" the moment Jason said "Standard Deviation". Most under utilized statistic. Averages mean very little without a standard deviation. Jason gets it
I think he used it in the wrong perspective, Matt and other people are sceptical of Tesla because they claimed FSD and Autopilot work. Plenty of dead people and why you can't use it here in Europe. A fact would be if no one died and people said they did.
Matt. I might not always agree with your opinions, but I have immense respect for you as a person for taking responsibility and apologizing publicly. It speaks volumes to your character as a man and a member of the human race. I will always be a fan of you as a person.
@@HeyitsallgoodmanI think people give him shit for being so fragile when it comes to any kind of criticism, his hypocrisy when it comes to class that’s clearly rooted in the guilt he feels regarding his upbringing as a rich kid (just own it), and his open disdain for many of his followers and fans.
An actual “apology” usually includes the words “I’m sorry”, in active voice. Those words were never uttered. Instead, we got indirect statements, often with a “but” followed by a bunch of excuses.
Since there is a lot of speculation here on who the CT customer is I want to weigh in here as a CT reservation holder. But first, Great discussion and kudos to both Mike and Jason for getting this done with civility. I currently own a very early Tesla Model 3 (roughly 10,000 serial number) and a 2012 Ford F150 Ecoboost. As an outdoorsman and engineer, I’m both very motivated by the implications of climate change and qualified to evaluate impacts of human tech/behavior on it. My opinion, after much research on the topic is that a transition to BEV across vehicle fleets is a key component do reducing climate impacts of human travel. Improving the efficiency of autos by 10-30% with hybrids isn’t enough and models claiming the opposite make the fallacy that lithium and associated minerals are a bottleneck. The six years of driving my model three have been the most enjoyable and trouble free of any car I’ve ever owned. My motivation to drive nothing but BEVs and my experience with the Model 3 (one of three teslas we’ve owned as a family, all of which have been incredible) prompted me to reserve a CT on reveal day in 2019. To be clear, I don’t give a fuck what it looks like, I don’t care for or desire the attention it’s going to bring me, but the utility does matter: 1) my current F150 is scratched to shit after more than a decade of off-roading around brush. The stainless of the CT should eliminate this concern. 2) off-road capability on paper seems to either equal or exceed my F150 3) towing capacity is equivalent to my f150 4) payload capacity exceeds my F150 5) storage exceeds my f150 6) maneuverability exceeds my f150 7) maintenance: if my experience with other teslas is an indicator, maintenance costs should be much less than the $1000-$4000 I spend each year on my F150. Ignoring the notion that to some extent, form follows function, none of the above has anything to do with how the vehicle looks. While there are more players in this space today (rivian, ford, gm (hehe), etc…) that I will be evaluating at the time my reservation is open for the CT, my bias is towards Tesla for the following: 1) past experience with the brand has been overwhelmingly positive. 2) of the current offerings, Tesla has the best chance (IMO) of being around in 10-15years when I need service. 3) I’m not giving one more fucking penny to legacy automakers who, very profitably, sat on the sidelines of the clean energy transition while letting a startups lead the way. They’ve taken none of the risk and now they’re standing around with their hands out, failing to compete in a segment that was theirs for the taking. With regards to autopilot: I’ve used many of the competing products provided by other brands. None have performed as well as Tesla AP does on my 6yo Model 3. Yeah some idiots use it irresponsibly and the naming is lame, but the product should be judged on the data of its performance in aggregate.
Jason is showing himself to be one of the best and maybe only actual JOURNALISTS out there. Super props to him for understanding and presenting the differences between facts and feelings.
I noticed that as well and was combing through the comments to see if anyone else did. That was one of the most passive aggressive things I’ve ever seen and it’s clear Zach is a baby tbh. Flashed it on the screen for 3 seconds like a man child
Probably the tip of the iceberg. Met them both years ago in person and while Matt is cool and open Zack came off a bit smug. Surprised Matt put him on the show. As we can see clearly here he doesn’t cut it as an auto journalist.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
This was great. Clicked at random and was stuck for over 2.5 hours. Turns out folks having a civil discussion about a contentious issue is dreamy, informative programming if you allow swearing. Big heart emoji to all of you for doing this.
I like Matt, he's a good journalist, but Cammisa just taught a masterclass on being an exceptional journalist. Jason presents himself with a very silly persona, but I always knew there was utter brilliance underneath the fun exterior. How many people can claim to have a background with law, psychology and engineering, along with being fluent in German? His intelligence is clearly extremely understated and it's amazing that he is such a talented presenter as well. I honestly believe his is the best automotive journalist of all time, bar none.
Cammisa literally threw all his integrity out the window the moment he raced that steel brick against a truck that weighs almost twice as much. I can understand Matt wanting to try and keep his friendship with Cammisa but since I'm not friends with him I'll gladly call out the fact he sold his fucking soul.
Pretty sure Hummer has at 200 horse power "lead" on the Cybertruck which is why i imagine he felt comfortable with the race. Calling someone's integrity, based on your poorly managed emotions is akin to and old geezer hating the neighbor's kids because they play too loud. @@IchigoKurosaki011
@@IchigoKurosaki011I'm not sure what truck you are referring to. The Cybertruck weighs 6843 lbs, the Rivian R1T quad motor is 6914 lbs, and the Hummer EV is 9046 pounds. The heaviest Hummer is 32.2% heavier than the Cybertruck. Do you have a source to back your statement?
Jason came prepared to use his Law Degree…. And also lined up his background to show his awards. Clever. Love Matt and Zack still, and that Professional Idiot too lol
It’s horrible, but Cammisa is too nice to tell him to shove it up his ass, instead he just kept explaining his position so that anyone actually listening would know what he meant…
I don't think so, because outside of the USA the CT is facing all kinds of drama already meeting requirements for ANDRA, NCAP and ASEAN to even be sold to the rest of the world
@@GarageSupraSo what? ALL car makers have models that are only sold in specific markets. The CT is no different. Is doesn’t matter if it’s only sold in the US. Tons of other brands have region specific models… Silly argument
Jason Camissa is the Norm Macdonald of the automotive world. Incredibly smart and articulate but doesn't present any of that when they are working. I'm very happy to see the maturity in this episode.
The irrational "Elon Bad" goes beyond Tesla. It's because Elon bought Twitter and put an end to the censorship. It is political. Granted there are some diehard gear heads out there that hate all things Tesla simply because of the success Tesla is having and how bad legacy auto is struggling. Jason's review of the Cybertruck was IMHO the best review out there. And he admitted at the start of the review that he thought the CT was a joke. I know he got a ton a negative backlash beyond what he got from Matt. This is political, the attacks on Jason will continue, it will become more irrational. Eventually Jason's political views will change as well. What I described above will happen more & more across the land. Groupthink is bad, it has run it's course.
I think I’m the only one that was glad VW did what they did. Screw the government and their BS regulations. Anyone that had a VW diesel at that time knows how great they were. All manufacturers try to beat the system and they did. The really amusing thing is VW’s penalty in the US was to build a public EV charging network. That explains why it’s shit 😂
Every single car company cheated on Diesel emissions. It was impossible to profit with that strict law. VW got charged because they can pay billions and others can't. They have alot of profit.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention. Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
@JR10_RR matt has as much credibility in the automotive segment as miss piggy does in the fitness category. Only came here to see this clinic put on by jason recommended by alex, who both have substance and credibility
Jason just schooled yall with facts after facts after facts. He did it gently too. Please take this as a learning opportunity to grow and do better. Separate your feelings and opinions from facts, and make them clear to your audience that you are spewing opinions vs facts. Your attack on Jason's integrity should have shown you that your deep hatred of Elon/Tesla has clouded your mind.
0:00 Intro 2:45 Apologizing 8:25 Journalistic integrity 24:00 Treating all companies equally 43:10 Car accident data 48:15 Acceleration consistency 51:15 Steer by wire 1:14:20 48 volt accusations 1:22:05 Crash test ratings 1:42:14 Jason cut himself on the truck 1:44:52 Pedestrian impact danger 2:07:08 Past vs Present missteps 2:12:00 “Political” differences? 2:15:50 Product vs Company vs Society 2:23:50 Fact finding vs volume 2:34:40 Setting an example
I'm a Camisa-holic and I'm so excited to see these two butt heads in a friendly manor. Seeing Camisa argue FOR steer-by-wire while also saying "I keep my Elise to have the most direct steering possible" is such a good point. Understanding the other side of something doesn't mean you have to be FOR it!
I do take issue with his idea that journalists shouldn't opine about cars and companies. If facts and figures are all that matter I might as well read a cars marketing brochure.
@@theoneandonlybosable I think that is where the separation between a Journalism, Journalist and Columnist have gotten blurred/blurry. Journalists can editorialize and commentate, but journalism is the capturing or uncovering of facts that tell a story on their own, without editorializing. Obviously this can include witness testimony and interviews, which can be fact checked, but also people generally have bad memories or their brain tries to make sense of something foreign to them and fills in details that are not accurate.
@@theoneandonlybosable What Jason means is that if you call yourself a journalist of any sort, you should provide facts OVER giving your opinion. That does not mean you're not allowed to give your opinion but when you do give your personal opinion on something it should be stated clearly. Thats just what proper journalism means. And about the "if facts and figures are all that matter I might as well read a cars marketing brochure" is just wrong, the clue is in the word ''marketing''. Jason isn't marketing anything with his work thats not his job and im sure he knows that, he's just giving the facts and the results he finds and than sprinkling in some humor to make it entertaining. A brochure on the other hand well.. its goal is literally to convince you to buy something.
@@Nathan_Adams How a car drives is not the latest happenings in geopolitics, editorializing and opining is inherent to reviews of products that corporations ask people to pay for. Funnily enough MKBHD had a quote years ago about reviewing a consumer product- the facts can all be found on a spec sheet, the substance of a good consumer product review is opinion.
Farah has been spouting his thoughtless opinions about Tesla for at least four years. His car reviews are somewhat more professional, but still, he can't separate his politics from facts and change his narrow views. I am so glad Cammisa brought this to light.
Jason - your head is in exactly the right place. Self-doubing and keeping the ego in check is healthy, and required. But as an external observer, how you approach this (and all your other work) really goes to show why you're attracted such a large audience. You're pathologically knowledgeable on the subject and have done your homework. Keep it up man.
This episode in a nutshell is "I agree with your facts, but my opinion..." That aside, I still give Matt credit for actually brought Jason to talk it out and to apologize right at the start. He could've just ignored it or just talk to Jason in private and never make this public, but here we are.
Jason's awards in the background is such a Jason move. That and making a 23 page .pdf of his rebuttals prior to the podcast perfectly encapsulates the difference between journalism and youtuber.
Jason's understanding of the crash test thing is still wrong in this video. The 10% is not the maximum they though was possible. 5 stars is for any car with 10% or less chance of injury. I don't think many car companies compute and publish their chance of injury under NHTSA conditions but based on that definition I'd have to assume plenty of cars fall in the same range as the Tesla mentioned.
Jason is a beter journalist then 99% of media. Did a great job
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come.
The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
Ahahaha he put Matt in place real quick and taught him a valuable lesson about journalism. Completely own him. Love it.
That you should have no integrity and just do whatever Tesla tells you to to make their shit look good?@@UniFanatix
@@Json918 Matt is a radical liberal who hates Musk you cant reason with radicals
Sorry… Matt is what is absolutely wrong with the f-ing world.
I watched the entire podcast and am so impressed with Jason’s professionalism and ability to separate opinion from fact. Jason gave ya’ll a free masterclass and you didn’t even know it.
Fact: Matt and Zach didn't even touch the cybertruck and look how much they criticized the vehicle. That's unfair for all the people who worked hard on the vehicle.
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come.
The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
I work in and teach sales. I learned a LOT from watching him separate facts from opinions. Definitely some gold in here.
“Gave y’all”. Ok checkmark ego. “Gave us*”
Are you kidding? Firstly Matt was on the mark on nearly EVERYTHING. Further watch an expert put Jason in his place regarding redundancy in episode 892.
As an engineer who used to work for a supplier (did rear steer development on Hummer EV), it's nice to hear Jason actually know what he's talking about with the technical stuff. I appreciate it when journalists educate themselves beyond a level of "this feels good, I dislike this" etc
If i am not mistaken he is an engineer, so it makes sense that he explains these technicalities the best of all the journalists. Because he is the only one who actually knows what they're talking about.
Thank you!
hes wrong about multiple things though. he's uncritically regurgitating tesla's claims about NHTSA findings that even NHTSA has made statements that Tesla needs to stop claiming.
@criznashj before the CyberTrk test drove he was a skeptic of Tesla I'm sure afterwards heshocked what them Tesla engineers have done and come up with.For ICE diehards a months experience will make converts of them
@@criznashYou are uneducated about Tesla and so are most, even those of the automotive veterans and legacy auto, and that is why a decade after the Tesla modS was released legacy auto still has not caught up and come up with a " Tesla Killer"!
I’ve never watched this podcast before, only here for Jason. But the unbelievable biased hate against Tesla from the, I assume regular host, is honestly disgusting. I’m glad people like Jason exist in this field.
He had to apologize in his last podcast for spreading false information again. Hes kind of immature in the way he conducts himself publicly.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
No kidding, the guy with the beard is clearly a Tesla and Musk hater, no matter how much they deliver, he will always criticize their products. I'm very glad Jason is such a good journalist and professional at his job, great job of separating personal opinions from facts.
The dude’s wife used to work at twitter as some sort of bigwig lawyer and she got fired by Musk lol
He's just another jumped up trust fund baby. His old man is brilliant to be honest, but Matt has become insufferable over the last few years. I wish Zac would just walk away and start his own thing as he's down to earth.
This was a masterclass on how to conduct yourself in a debate, and how NOT to do that. Thank you Jason for staying neutral in your arguments and sticking to cold hard facts, even while being answered strictly with opinions.
Jason Cammisa is such a professional and legend! Best kind of car nerd!
He is absolutely my favorite auto journo.
Kind whiny and effeminate for me
@@TedKiddwe get it, you’re
In the closet bro 😂
This episode boils down to: One guy who did his homework and one who didn't. Facts > Feelings.
Jason totally ruled this conversation
Exactly!
Matt comes across as someone who consumed too much mainstream media.
@@sparkpaul bingo! His behavior is either intentional or its not... either way listening to his incessant deflection and complete inability to realize/accept he was proven wrong over and over is insufferable.
As Tom would say, "Facts don't care about your feelings"
After watching this, my conclusion is that Jason is professional, well researched and as objective as he can and the other guy is none of those things.
I... I.... I hear what you're saying.... but... Elon bad.
@@JeffKubeluhm but uhm well well i mean well uhh in court i would say “elon opened the door”. (speaking to a guy who actually has a law degree hahahha)
ELON IS CALLOUS MEANY is pitiful argument!
This guy needs to cut the estrogen supplements
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come.
The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
And you're entirely missing the point. Was Jason Cammisa's piece about the Cybertruck essentially fluffing for Elon Musk?
Whether he was paid to do so or not, he was. That should be commented upon.
This video is a prime example that lies/ bad facts take mere moments to say and it takes someone who knows all the facts 10-20x as much time to debunk these lies/bad facts
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
This is a significant problem we are experiencing. Great point
Or you can say that the lies are like speeding bullets and facts are the surgery that's needed for the gunshot wounds.
Matt/Zach have two forms of TDS, one is Tesla Derangement Syndrome.
And he was still wrong. check out episode 892.
Kudos to Jason! The last 10 minutes is the most critical, EVERY UA-camr/Media person should take it to heart!
In the last 10 minutes we learn that to do a good youtube channel one needs a patron or at least draw some good sponsors.
I loved this level of intentional “face to face” discussion and conflict resolution. Disagreeing up close is by far the most productive.
Takes some self awareness, swallowing pride, and actually caring about each other. Wish this was easier for more people to do.
Matt is the one who is political about the cars.
Fsd is BETA and definition of autopilot is exactly the same as airplanes: drivers attention are needed.
@@sparkpaulhe’s very triggered. Hard to listen to him.
I have never seen Matt before but huge RESPECT is deserved by anyone with the integrity to publicly apologize.
Huge respect for Matt.
Good on Matt to have this discussion. That being said, I’m reminded why I stopped watching him years ago.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come.
The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
Well said. Co-signed.
+1 Co-signed.
Add another to the list
Jason is the most professional out of the group of youtube car guys
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
Check SavageGeese if you like Jason...
@@sparkpaulkeep posting that comment on everyone else's comments. Weirdo.
I'd just like to give props to Jason for his grace and kindness here, and also to Matt for his courage to put himself in that type of situation and be open to discussion and critique. None of this is easy between two people, especially in a public setting.
If Jason wasn't his friend, I doubt this video would exist.
@@ThienNguyen24 I wonder if he still is after this, but I think so.
Now we need a link to Jason’s document! He put so much time and effort into it that it needs to be shared. It is basically the required reading for this free masterclass in journalistic integrity.
Ya that paper he sent them 3 seconds before getting on air.
Lol journalistic integrity. His cybertruck review was a puff piece, just because he didn't lie about much doesn't mean he made an objective review. I can't believe how bad people are at critical thinking and reading between the lines.
@@mittortz you're either trolling or you don't understand engineering...or both
@@Earnformation what exactly about my comment would make you suppose either of those things?
@mittortz you don't say how Jason's review was a puff piece and point to nothing to support your argument...he, unlike you and I, had access to the actual engineers that built the thing. He has years of automotive industry journalism. He's admitted to not liking the truck personally, but couldn't get over the advancements that came with the car.
So...how was it a puff piece?
Jason nailed it at 18:18. When you’re a journalist, you need to check your own feelings and emotions at the door. That IS the problem with journalism nowadays. Bias. Check your bias, present the facts, and dress it in an entertaining way, without projecting your bias. It’s one of the things that makes journalism so damn hard.
Before watching this (cause it's f...in long?!), I love Jason, been watching his content for more then 10 years now, but CT video was a lot of show and not so much facts. And I can understand that, you need views, you need show, but it was kinda bias, not like "I hate Tesla" bias, but "I need a show" bias, if you know what I mean... I will feel free to edit this comment after watching the full video 😁
I've been skipping the Tesla segments for years. Matt can't control his bias and let's Elon live rent free in his head. I'm not saying ignore the bad stuff he has trouble admitting they are objectively good cars for most people.
Lol! Jason is doing the "youtube game" now. Hype everything new and different to get more views=$$$.
@@HUMC5 you hype the title but present facts in the video. That's standard for quality journalism on UA-cam
@@blackrippin Present "some facts" like he did in favour of the CT.
I've been watching Cammisa for 10y but him and LIEberman became bias to Tesla most of the time.
Matt may be wrong on a couple of things but his overall arguments are right.
Shout out to Jason for a well prepared and presented stfu to Matt. Respect to Matt for taking it on the chin and making amends with Jason. We've all benefited from this demonstration in professionalism.
Agreed
And also great profile pic, one of the best sci-fi films made (in my opinion)
Well said.
Keep in mind that Matt is part of the little aphartheid tribe, and that's going to effect his view of Elon/Tesla.
He may have taken it on the chin, but it was clear that he is unable to separate emotion and politics from logical analysis.
Well said, I was thoroughly impressed with Jason's take and preparedness. Can't stand Elon but the engineering in that truck can't be refuted.
Matt = opinion selling as fact vs. Jason = fact and tells us when he’s providing opinion.
Sooo basically, Cammisa brought 2 hrs of thoughtful facts and logic and Matt brought 2 hrs of Musk bad = Tesla bad.
The worst part is it isn't even musk bad. It's 'musk says things I don't like' so tesla must be bad.
Matt apologized. We should give him a chance. He was called up by a big name, not by little people like you and me.
It will be interesting to see how things roll up from now on.
We just witnessed a true automotive journalist schooling a trust fund kid.
Always knew Jason is very intelligent and this video is a great example. He’s a league above the rest for sure
Yeah his intellect is insane compared to Matt
@@BTC_Cassidy agree, not even close. Matt is someone who seems to criticize a person or product actually never having to know them.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
He is a classing hater
I actually discovered Jason through The Smoking Tire, he's quickly become one of my favorite automotive journalists.
Omg lol. Try watching his old motor trend stuff it’s good too
Agreed. You got to watch his old motor trend stuff.
He’s a legend watch his older stuff. His presentation style is on point
@@ricardofigueroa6754 just watched the M3 video, gives me Chris Harris vibes. Great stuff!
If you haven't already, check out his weekly UA-cam podcast "The Carmudgeon Show"
I’m an engineer working in the mechatronics and autonomy space and I have to say that I’d always been a fan of Jason but this only solidified it - some of the comments from Matt and Zach were pretty ill informed sadly 😅
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
It's the difference between a journalist with legal experience and two "due bros."
There is clearly one journalist here. Jason comes with facts and Matt shares his feelings 😢
Jason stopped being a journalist the moment he sold his journalistic integrity to Tesla
@@IchigoKurosaki011lol
And now we have mass recall, but I'm sure people will continue to say the Cybertruck is fine
LOL, areu new to automotive? Recalls are part of life. Also, not all code fix are same.
It also breaks down all the time and is hilariously bad at anythinh except drag rscing.
@@RobFromDenver What a shame that he sold any journalistic integrity left to defend a horrible death machine
@@RobFromDenverlet me tell you this if you put your family in anything other than Tesla you are not taking best care of your family .. and this is a fact
Wait until you hear about all the mass recalls Toyota had to make, I guess it'll make your blood turn cold lol.
Matt has Tesla Derangement Syndrome. Props to Jason for having a level headed take on this whole situation
He left Twitter because he's very much part of the MSM journalists crowd. He doesn't like free speech.
That’s not the only TDS he has.
@@Bob_Smith19 touché
That’s the best explanation for it. Was frustrating to watch him not let go of his points.
Matt is straight up 🗑️
Hearing Jason say he was disappointed in Matt really hit home. I would hate having Cammisa 'disappointed' in me, and you can tell Matt feels like shit.
Also, how great is it seeing adults work through their disagreements.
Matt is drunkenly fixated on emotional facts.
“He opened the door”!!!!
Listen to how he constantly stammers when confronted by Jason. Uh uh uh but but mm but like he’s got a stuttering provlem.
Matt doesn't have emotional facts, he only has emotion.
Well he's a leftist, soo...
So Matt was correct?
Yes
no. rofl.
yes
My point is you shouldn't call "AUTOPILOT" what is an advanced cruise control, because it is a misleading wording, and all the explanations afterwards is not a fix. We have engineers and highly educated people dicking around with autopilot, Camisa itself says "I drive more intensively because I rely on my radar auto brakes". The point is you shouldn't rely on that even if radar is superior to cameras, like you shouldn't over rely on ABS/ESP and the wathever other assist.
If you don't want to seal with all the complications of driving, take a taxi.
Context aside, this is journalism masterclass from Cammisa. That mfer is there for a reason!
He schooled Matt for a steady two hours.
@@taylorc2542 yea he kinda did, but as a communication and media student this is pretty valuable
@@mateogarcia6942Honesty is the best policy, so much of media today is dishonest.
@@mateogarcia6942 Agreed. I work in sales and this was insanely valuable.
Just became a huge Jason Fan! Even though you could tell he felt some type of way about the attack on his credibility, his arguments were fact based and on topic without wading into personal nonsense and having to reference “expert” conversation
This will probably be the only time I watch this channel. It was amazing to watch how many times Jason brought actual evidence in data only to be countered by a broken record about feelings and hearsay and rumors. It is pretty clear Matt is obtuse and comprised when it comes to an honest data driven review.
Thinking exactly the same thing….
Same. Funny how the guest outshines the host and how the former actually is the one carrying thee show.
This was an absolute dumpster fire and i wonder if this channel has ever had any shred of credibility. Definitely my last time here
Broken record, exactly.
Well the elephant in room is, he didn't get paid BUT he gets early access to very popular product, meaning lots of views = money.
Took me 3 days to get through this podcast.... Jason is just soo good, his views on facts vs opinions should be something everyone strides to do it is really insightful but I have to say I don't understand Matt. They talked for 2 hours and 30 minutes and not once did it seem like he understood anything Jason said to him. I have to wonder how hard the truth had to hit him in the face for him to wake up.
Tesla is not an evil company by any means and they are doing so much to bring forward the whole automotive industry. Opening up their patents, the book on 48V is epic and they even store their gigacastings outside so all competitor can see them in the flesh.
Seems like Matt couldn't get past the Tesla autonomy demo video from 2016. The facts are that of course Tesla should have used another language in the video, the driver was needed. When people say the video is fake it is not entirely true, the Tesla actually did drive that route in one shot BUT they tried like 100 times that failed before the "perfect" one.
We are in 2023, why do we need to go back to 2016. This makes no sense! Today more than 100.000 Teslas on US roads are equipped with the FSD software. So anyone knows someone who has access to FSD. Go try it for yourself, it is brilliant for 99% of the time and horrible for the last 1%. It is by no means FULL-SELF-DRIVING but it is also not a death machine or a scam. I would love to see Matt actually try a Tesla with FSD sometime you have to face your demons... and boy does Matt see a lot of demons at Tesla. Think about it Matt or the world will leave you behind.
Brilliant comment! You are spot on here. Tesla is the most forward looking company I know of constantly improving and iterating. It makes 0 sense to point out something they did wrong in the past and get fixated on that, when by now they have already addressed it, since they are constantly experimenting and learning. That’s their company culture. I will also point out that FSD is in BETA which is why it’s clearly called FSD BETA. Personally I would never pay for beta software but the 400k people that did, they did that on their own will. They were not tricked into buying it like your typical car dealership sales guy who tricks you into buying a LoJack and a bunch of other options you don’t need.
@Killyang True, we all knew what the current abilities of the system was. Also technical and legislational hurdles was known for years.
Sure Elon has been optimistic for years but who listened to him anyways. Always think for yourself, it is your money 😉
@@Arpedk the people who listen to Elon are his engineers. If this had been a Ford or GM product it would have been canceled.
I wanted to yell at Matt at multiple points during this podcast, just to tell him "use the damn thing before you talk shit about it." I have used FSD beta, from v10.69 to 11.3 to 11.4.9 now. It is imperfect, and I'd put it at 85-90% reliable. There are some common edge cases it struggles with. However, when you use the tech, it is damn impressive. No other automaker is currently making this level of autonomy accessible to do many people, despite it still being level 2 (which puts the onus on the driver to pay attention).
I want him to get his ass off the moped, wipe the "FSD runs over children in school zone" bias from his mind, and just live with it. Perhaps only after then will he realize how capable it is and why you shouldn't feel unsafe as a motorcycle rider when riding in traffic with Teslas on the road.
Matt has such a heavy bias, it is hard to take anything he says as relevant. Jason is awesome here.
He's like a NYTs journalist but pretends to be a regular car guy.
He does not even try to hide his wokeness and socialism anymore and lives in opulence such a double standard
After watching this I’ve come to realize Matt is the embodiment of every Reddit moron whose uninformed take is argued either in bad faith or sheer hatred, but quite easily debunked. Like…just flat out saying the bed is unusable? Based on what experience Matt? You really think the taper nullifies the claim that the bed can fit drywall?? You literally think a pointy nose means more pedestrian maiming? Are you actually 7 years old? I hope you are embarrassed.
It's crazy how one man can ooze such ignorance.
@@EugenioBrenesWait. Socialism therefore poor?
Engineer: You know a mechanical steering can fail. Chances are low but they do fail. Specially in a damaged vehicle.
Matt: No problem....I trust it completely. It's mechanical. I would rather have a bolt loosen and make my steering fall on my lap.
Engineer: But steer by wire will avoid that issue. We have more redundancies than a mechanical one andit could fail. Chances are extremely rare.
Matt: You mean there's a chance...!!! I don't trust it. 😑
and because of Elon. lol
Agree, the "do you trust it" part was the most Roganesque one out of the entire conversation.
People trust what they understand and what they have experience with. Numbers are meaningless to the part of the brain that assesses danger, only experience matters.
And this can work in perverse ways. For example we aren't afraid of car accidents, but some are afraid of flying, and most people are terrified of nuclear accidents, while in reality you are far far more likely to die in a car than being killed by nuclear radiation, and planes are somewhere in between.
@@andrasbiro3007 Yes, that's true. A variety of conclusions can be drawn from the same data set. It's how you interpret the data. And some people take advantage of this very fact to muddy the water. I think one should not only.be critical of they have been presented with but also look out for other conclusions as well so you will have some framework to go by.
😂😂😂😂😂
I’m not even a Tesla fan, but this episode made me so happy to see Matt’s feelings and hatred to Tesla get checked.
Simplistic and emotive opinion.
@@robertpawley5715as opposed to your banal and arrogant opinion
So why is CT not road legal in EU?
@@735337707EU laws require the hood of a any vehicle to have a curve of a certain minimum radius, CT doesn't have curves
@@robertpawley5715project much? Smh
Matt also bet some dude on twitter a delorean, the cycbertruck wouldn’t be made. Can we make sure he pats up on that one. 😂
Jason cybertruck review was an infomercial. That fact hasn't changed
Great to see Jason on the podcast to air any differences of ‘opinion’ that all parties may have. Sometimes our judgement can be clouded, but getting past it with actual discussion is the sign of a real mature adult.
Bringing up Missy Cummings *severely* degrades credibility in this dude. She's not remotely an expert on driver assistance systems, but instead, openly emotionally hostile to Tesla, it's in her Tweets. 38:15
lol, except that jason's receipts were facts, not opinion. Off topic convos however were.
Jason takes Matt apart piece by piece. Love it.
Thats not what this is about, they are not that immature (maybe you are). It is all about being able to talk factual despite differences.
@@AlexanderGreb77 He used the legal system framework. I guess you think that is immature as well. I wonder what you do for a living.
@@AlexanderGreb77 Smoking tire made it immature by offering to apologize then continue to make unsubstantiated claims and underdeveloped opinions.Jason shouldnt have had to take them apart, but they basically begged for it and Jason was 1000X more prepared.
@@magi115 I am doing pretty well. So now you know.
@@AlexanderGreb77 Kudos to MATT for having the nads to hash this out on his own channel but his incessant deflection and complete inability to realize/accept he was proven wrong over and over is hardly adult.
A great example of adults acting mature about a disagreement - something we don't tend to see much these days, especially here on YT.
TST has long been my favorite source of automotive news and entertainment.
Gentlemen eating crow together is a beautiful and generous thing ☺️
Disagreements tend to not be as low stakes as "do you like car". Maturity in disagreement is a privilege for those who have nothing material to lose in that disagreement.
@@aro2866 agree to disagree
@@larssonk22 Thanks for the demonstration.
@@aro2866 You think disagreeing is a privilege? What drugs?
Jason Cammisa's position has not stood the test of time well. This truck has shown to be good @ not being a truck/SUV nor a reliable vehicle period.
I'm a self proclaimed Tesla Elon Musk hater much like Matt lol but objectively you can at least appreciate the way in which that company has revolutionised the EV industry and made them kinda cool albeit in a goofy or gaudy kind of way.
Also, Teslas are overrated piles of trash and Matt does make some good points about that brand, it's boss and how they both conduct their business but true integrity in journalism as Jason has pointed out here is simply laying out the facts for what really they are with no bias or favouritism or whatever. And Matt unfortunately can't seem to allow his judgement to override his obvious hatred for the boss (Musk is pretty easy to hate Tbf) and just call it down the middle as he should. You can't misrepresent be it intentionally or otherwise your own personal views as facts cos then you've effectively lost all credibility as a journalist, period.
His position on what exactly? His 'review' (more of a presentation tbh) was focused on engineering and innovation. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall him claiming anything about the car's overall reliability or it being 'good at being a truck/SUV'. What I do recall is people s*itting all over him for saying anything positive about the car they have a strong opinion about despite they've never driven or even seen one in the flesh at the point of publishing his video.
This really made me like Jason. Well done sir.
Jason has really earned some well deserved respect.
Matt can’t hide his personal biases.
We all need to be more like Jason.
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Dear Matt, I hope you find peace. Despite your hate for 1 man he has done more in this generation than people will do in 3 lifetimes. He's provided 100's and thousands of jobs for families, Broken the barrier for innovation, and will inspire future kids for generations to come.
The fact your hate can blind you from even giving a single praise to a man like this is an attestment to what has aged you so much over the years. Watching this video is hard b/c I like you and your content, but the bitterness is so unappealing that my respect has somewhat dwindled.
Love Camissa’s take here. Disagree with Matt on a ton of things but say what you will, he showed great character here.
Too little. Too late.
Should go back to dealing drugs instead - maybe daddy won't safe him this time around.
Eh, I don't realy agree tbh. He refuses to eat crow and changes the topic/non-sequiters every single time Jason trys to call him out on consistency.
Yeah after finishing I agree, he started off great but really pulled a Californian apology.
@@AliOfBabaI’m only 15 min into the podcast but I for one am shocked about that (heavy sarcasm)
Jesus crist dude, good lor do you have to be so nasty? He is so humble in the whole 2 .5 hr video and you still being mean? @@NO3V
“I hear you Jason….but I just f’ing hate Elon”-says Matt because “I want my opinion to count more than facts.”
He left Twitter because little people had opinions.
@@taylorc2542😂
@@taylorc2542
Didn’t know he left twitter. Underneath that tough shell is a sensitive man-child. 🥲
He is definately massively biased, but I respect him very much for putting this show on and allowing Jason to speak fully.
@@Scholzey
His “awakening” on the difference between his (opinion-based) and Jason’ (fact-based) journalism was priceless. I give him that!
I love the "Elon opened the door to me being an ignorant idiot" defense at every confrontation.
If only politicians could conduct a debate at this level, imagine what we could do! You guys are awesome!
Wow. What a beat down. This is what happens when logical argument meets an emotional one, lol. Loved watching Jason make this adult baby tap dance for 2 hours 😂
Just became a huge Jason fan. Refreshing to have someone without bias but instead seeks knowledge and facts and truth. Rare today in the media.
Refreshing to find a youtube creator who do not totally live and die by clicks. UA-cam is like a kid teasing animals with food on a string. As soon as the animals get close they pull away the food.
Without bias, races the cybertruck against a vehicle twice as heavy. Dude flushed his integrity down the drain
Check out his podcast the carmudgeon it’s great!
I hope you found his shows on Hagerty and Issimi; Icons, Spotlight, Revelations and Ultimate Drag Race are imo the best automotive content in the business
Props to Matt and Co. for being standup individuals and allowing Jason to come on their podcast and spend an hr + skewering them for their mistakes to their face, taking it on the chin and owning it. Not many outlets these days would agree to something like this without spending half the time shouting him down and trying to discredit him/distract their audience. Jason started the conversation with the most important part, the UA-cam automotive space seems huge but really isn’t that big. Anyone who knows both these channels and people wants you all to be successful and is supportive of all of you.
Matt was still trying to justify his reasons, but all it is that he is a Tesla and Elon Hater. He goes beyond the boundaries as a so called Jounalists and uses his personal reasons why he hates Tesla and Elon as an reason for his judgement. This is what the main media does now instead of giving out facts regardless of their like or dislike of a company or a person. Everything is a half baked facts, and more of an PERSONAL opinions without real facts.
@@1flash3571 That was right on point!!! I think we (the people) have been misled so many times by the Media that instead of giving us reality, they give us their distorted vision of reality. The one thing I will say in Matt's defense is that there is a difference between not having the facts and distorting them. Some people are not paying attention and try to fill in the blanks... this is what I think Matt is doing....I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here.
They're not being stand up individuals, they are sniveling (Matt and Zack, that is.) jason is taking the high road.,
I'm curious how this would have gone if it were in person as well as if Jason brought the Cybertruck with. I would have had to make popcorn.
@@trentonfettig7265 On a personal note, when I first saw the Cybertruck, I thought it was a joke and there was a "real" truck coming out later. Then I saw the truck in person at a local Tesla Store and I was in awe. I can't understand why there is such a huge difference but there is. The technology part is amazing. The proof will be in the pudding, on how well drives. that is what really matters, looks and all that aside, that is what should be the focus
Matt the best thing you did is invite Jason for a real face to face talk - much respect. Other than that, there’s no doubt he taught you a master class in 'facts don’t care about your ill advised feelings'
From his constant deflection and inability to acknowledge when he was proven wrong I suspect Matt has not learned a thing from this convo.
After listening to Matt's opinions and feelings... I no longer trust Omaha Steaks
Matt's feelings/emotions vs Jason's FACTS.
FACTS... Solving the emotions problem..... there's your new You Tube channel
Jason Cammisa is bringing real facts to the table, respect. I had only heard bad things about Tesla. Now I want to go for a test drive.
Im sure many of these car youtubers are paid by the anti-tesla lobby. The main stream media is also very anti Tesla and misrepresents info all the time.
maybe expand your media. what else are they lying to you about?
Most of the bad stuff are from people like Matt who have some sort of agenda.
You will love Tesla after your first Test Drive....
Yes, and you NEED to see Jason Cammisa's short documentary (that's what they are) of the Tesla Plaid on the Hagerty channel. It's the one where they compare the Lucid to the Tesla Plaid, and the video editing and Jason's narrative performance in that video is just so, so awesome. It's the coolest video editing of any car video so far.
Watching Matt And Zack get all hurt is probably the funniest thing about this video . “ thanks for explaining video production to me “ is where Zack crumbled 😂😂
that was truly upsetting to here from Zack, guy took it 100% personally when Jason clearly didn't mean it like that
That part genuinely made me sad. Then cringe. Then just sad again. How one gets this triggered over absolutely nothing is puzzling to me. I genuinely thought Zack was the level-headed one of the two UNTIL I heard that. Funny how a single moment can change your entire opinion on someone forever…
what a fucking joke
Where was this part in the interview?
At 18:00 he kinda lost me. ICONS isn't a review, it's not supposed to inform buyers, it's just cool car content.
Jason's Cyber video literally has 'review' in the title. A review isn't a presentation. There was nothing critical about the truck in Jason's video. Given what we know about the cybertruck now, Jason's video seems way too positive.
Matt also didnt have the paper Jason was working off of ahead of time. With a bit more prep, perhaps matt could have had some better counter points. Jason said a lot of 'idk' but as a journalist I think he gas an obligation to ask questions in the realm of what matt is pining about.
Fair point, he wasn't able to do a real world review so it shouldn't be called that. But it took me 3 minutes to find 3 negative things he said about the car in that video, back to back. So... That part's not true.
JC got a public dispute with what he said in that video from MF so he prepared a response. MF was actually leading the way in this discussion and they were talking about things unrelated to the truck a lot of time but JC was still able to argue with his claims on the spot while Farah had a hard time backing his arguments. Nobody denied him the right to prepare himself, he chose not to.
@pdcichosz non true at all? What thodr soft playful jabs? Thats that was superficial criticism.
Also, absolutely not - matt came to apologize JC came with a manifesto, which he didnt provide before time. Few people could have fended off JCs points without preparation. I feel that someone else more knowledgeable than matt would have squashed/exposed many of JCs points - i found them well thought out only on the surface and begging for counterpoints which mike failed to provide
No matter your opinion on Elon, Tesla engineers and employees deserve more respect and recognition
I think Matt does excellent work, except when it comes to Tesla IMO. I think he's fighting a giant bias against the company and Elon in his reporting of the company, and it seems it's very difficult for him to view the company through any other lense.
They did fire his wife.
Matt also left Twitter because he doesn't like little people having an opinion.
@@JSmooVE3990he didn’t like them before that too. lol. He actually made more comments on them before his wife got fired. Had a Matt vs Tesla counter on older podcasts.
Jason has just schooled Matt on facts.
That’s why he’s triggered cause facts are facts
You must be new. Cammisa hides many facts in his videos so Tesla doesn't look bad.
Matt hatred for Musk is so great that he almost let it jeopardised his friendship over a guy that he'll never see in his life. 😂😂😂😂
It's true. He's incapable of objectively discussing anything that has to do with Tesla.
Matt has a severe case of Elon Derangement Syndrome.
Matt is also against free speech on X.
Really ticks me off because I respect his stuff but it’s so obvious when it comes to the one company that has truly changed the industry in so many ways.
1:29:13 I literally slapped my hand down and said "YES!" the moment Jason said "Standard Deviation". Most under utilized statistic. Averages mean very little without a standard deviation. Jason gets it
This was brutal to watch. Matt...you clearly have an axe to grind.
What I find amazing is emotion rules facts - Cammisa is the only one with clarity
I think he used it in the wrong perspective, Matt and other people are sceptical of Tesla because they claimed FSD and Autopilot work. Plenty of dead people and why you can't use it here in Europe. A fact would be if no one died and people said they did.
Matt. I might not always agree with your opinions, but I have immense respect for you as a person for taking responsibility and apologizing publicly. It speaks volumes to your character as a man and a member of the human race. I will always be a fan of you as a person.
People give him so much shit but he always owns his opinions and mistakes and talks about them. More people would be better off learning from Matt
@@HeyitsallgoodmanI think people give him shit for being so fragile when it comes to any kind of criticism, his hypocrisy when it comes to class that’s clearly rooted in the guilt he feels regarding his upbringing as a rich kid (just own it), and his open disdain for many of his followers and fans.
An actual “apology” usually includes the words “I’m sorry”, in active voice. Those words were never uttered. Instead, we got indirect statements, often with a “but” followed by a bunch of excuses.
@@domehead1004 spot on...100%
Since there is a lot of speculation here on who the CT customer is I want to weigh in here as a CT reservation holder.
But first, Great discussion and kudos to both Mike and Jason for getting this done with civility.
I currently own a very early Tesla Model 3 (roughly 10,000 serial number) and a 2012 Ford F150 Ecoboost. As an outdoorsman and engineer, I’m both very motivated by the implications of climate change and qualified to evaluate impacts of human tech/behavior on it. My opinion, after much research on the topic is that a transition to BEV across vehicle fleets is a key component do reducing climate impacts of human travel. Improving the efficiency of autos by 10-30% with hybrids isn’t enough and models claiming the opposite make the fallacy that lithium and associated minerals are a bottleneck.
The six years of driving my model three have been the most enjoyable and trouble free of any car I’ve ever owned. My motivation to drive nothing but BEVs and my experience with the Model 3 (one of three teslas we’ve owned as a family, all of which have been incredible) prompted me to reserve a CT on reveal day in 2019.
To be clear, I don’t give a fuck what it looks like, I don’t care for or desire the attention it’s going to bring me, but the utility does matter:
1) my current F150 is scratched to shit after more than a decade of off-roading around brush. The stainless of the CT should eliminate this concern.
2) off-road capability on paper seems to either equal or exceed my F150
3) towing capacity is equivalent to my f150
4) payload capacity exceeds my F150
5) storage exceeds my f150
6) maneuverability exceeds my f150
7) maintenance: if my experience with other teslas is an indicator, maintenance costs should be much less than the $1000-$4000 I spend each year on my F150.
Ignoring the notion that to some extent, form follows function, none of the above has anything to do with how the vehicle looks. While there are more players in this space today (rivian, ford, gm (hehe), etc…) that I will be evaluating at the time my reservation is open for the CT, my bias is towards Tesla for the following:
1) past experience with the brand has been overwhelmingly positive.
2) of the current offerings, Tesla has the best chance (IMO) of being around in 10-15years when I need service.
3) I’m not giving one more fucking penny to legacy automakers who, very profitably, sat on the sidelines of the clean energy transition while letting a startups lead the way. They’ve taken none of the risk and now they’re standing around with their hands out, failing to compete in a segment that was theirs for the taking.
With regards to autopilot: I’ve used many of the competing products provided by other brands. None have performed as well as Tesla AP does on my 6yo Model 3. Yeah some idiots use it irresponsibly and the naming is lame, but the product should be judged on the data of its performance in aggregate.
Bro who's Mike? 💀
@@ishaqmo7200 LOL!!
Jason is showing himself to be one of the best and maybe only actual JOURNALISTS out there. Super props to him for understanding and presenting the differences between facts and feelings.
46:07 if only Zack fact checked the TST show as rigorously. Jason is the only adult here obviously.
He is awful at his job
I noticed that as well and was combing through the comments to see if anyone else did. That was one of the most passive aggressive things I’ve ever seen and it’s clear Zach is a baby tbh. Flashed it on the screen for 3 seconds like a man child
Probably the tip of the iceberg. Met them both years ago in person and while Matt is cool and open Zack came off a bit smug. Surprised Matt put him on the show. As we can see clearly here he doesn’t cut it as an auto journalist.
Jason is a true pro. Always respected him but do even more now after this discussion.
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
Jason exposed how distorted Matt's disdain for Elon has biased his 'conclusions'. Well done Jason.
Initial thoughts after ten min: Jason cammisa is spot on with his comments so far.
after 2 hs.....Jason Cammisa is absolutely spot on.
After 2 hrs 36 minutes Matt is a stuttering, stammering idiot with no facts whatsoever. Jason wipped the floor with this hack
This was great. Clicked at random and was stuck for over 2.5 hours. Turns out folks having a civil discussion about a contentious issue is dreamy, informative programming if you allow swearing. Big heart emoji to all of you for doing this.
much love and respect to Matt, Jason and Zack for leading by example on how to peacefully talk through tough stuff … thank you
At what point does Matt question his reasoning process in general. Too many mistakes made to a friend. Your reasoning should be recalled.
I just realised I can listen to Jason talk about car tech for hours
Just realized that Matt is a slob who hates Tesla/Elon because of free speech.
Check carmudgeon show and enjoy Cammisa's talks with 89yo Hyphen.
Ok seriously, both podcasts are great.
@@Kocan7damn it you beat me to it! 😂
@@Kocan7hyphen is actually 94
I like Matt, he's a good journalist, but Cammisa just taught a masterclass on being an exceptional journalist. Jason presents himself with a very silly persona, but I always knew there was utter brilliance underneath the fun exterior. How many people can claim to have a background with law, psychology and engineering, along with being fluent in German? His intelligence is clearly extremely understated and it's amazing that he is such a talented presenter as well. I honestly believe his is the best automotive journalist of all time, bar none.
Cammisa literally threw all his integrity out the window the moment he raced that steel brick against a truck that weighs almost twice as much. I can understand Matt wanting to try and keep his friendship with Cammisa but since I'm not friends with him I'll gladly call out the fact he sold his fucking soul.
Pretty sure Hummer has at 200 horse power "lead" on the Cybertruck which is why i imagine he felt comfortable with the race. Calling someone's integrity, based on your poorly managed emotions is akin to and old geezer hating the neighbor's kids because they play too loud. @@IchigoKurosaki011
@@IchigoKurosaki011clown
@@IchigoKurosaki011can you explain what you’re referring to?
@@IchigoKurosaki011I'm not sure what truck you are referring to. The Cybertruck weighs 6843 lbs, the Rivian R1T quad motor is 6914 lbs, and the Hummer EV is 9046 pounds. The heaviest Hummer is 32.2% heavier than the Cybertruck. Do you have a source to back your statement?
Can someone cut the parts where Matt talks
The stuttering of Matt around the 42 minute marker was my favourite
Jason came prepared to use his Law Degree…. And also lined up his background to show his awards. Clever. Love Matt and Zack still, and that Professional Idiot too lol
Matt's "they opened the door" defense is pretty bad.
It’s horrible, but Cammisa is too nice to tell him to shove it up his ass, instead he just kept explaining his position so that anyone actually listening would know what he meant…
I don't think so, because outside of the USA the CT is facing all kinds of drama already meeting requirements for ANDRA, NCAP and ASEAN to even be sold to the rest of the world
@@GarageSupraSo what?
ALL car makers have models that are only sold in specific markets. The CT is no different. Is doesn’t matter if it’s only sold in the US. Tons of other brands have region specific models…
Silly argument
@@GarageSupra Drama based on what evidence, exactly?
Jason Camissa is the Norm Macdonald of the automotive world. Incredibly smart and articulate but doesn't present any of that when they are working. I'm very happy to see the maturity in this episode.
Haha. Would not of thought of that comparison. Miss ya Norm!
Jason brought actual facts to this debate, not opinions or feelings. Love the way he conducts himself as an auto journalist!
Jason gave you a valuable lesson on how to be an unbiased journalist. hope you learn
"safe in all these ways"
"But elon bad"
"okay, but this is fact"
"but elon bad"
"Nothing on the road is safer"
"but elon bad"
The irrational "Elon Bad" goes beyond Tesla. It's because Elon bought Twitter and put an end to the censorship. It is political. Granted there are some diehard gear heads out there that hate all things Tesla simply because of the success Tesla is having and how bad legacy auto is struggling.
Jason's review of the Cybertruck was IMHO the best review out there. And he admitted at the start of the review that he thought the CT was a joke.
I know he got a ton a negative backlash beyond what he got from Matt.
This is political, the attacks on Jason will continue, it will become more irrational. Eventually Jason's political views will change as well.
What I described above will happen more & more across the land.
Groupthink is bad, it has run it's course.
I agree with Matt that tesla is sketchy. However, the fact that diesel gate wasnt mentioned in any of his porsche reviews kind of negates it.
I think I’m the only one that was glad VW did what they did. Screw the government and their BS regulations. Anyone that had a VW diesel at that time knows how great they were. All manufacturers try to beat the system and they did.
The really amusing thing is VW’s penalty in the US was to build a public EV charging network. That explains why it’s shit 😂
Every single car company cheated on Diesel emissions. It was impossible to profit with that strict law.
VW got charged because they can pay billions and others can't. They have alot of profit.
@@HUMC5 All companies cheated, but VAG did it so brazenly that they, rightfully, got hit hardest.
My hats off to Jason! He really was raw behind the scenes! Matt was more off the scales! All over the place!
Matt and Zach are spewing false information and are on the "hate elon and tesla" wagon. In aviation, autopilot term does require pilot attention and fsd BETA is beta and it tells everyone that drivers need to pay attention.
Thank you Jason. And GFY to this channel.
I'm not coming back here again. Matt is a stuttering, stammering liar
Came here from alejandro flores' show just to watch the roast show! And jason camissa did not disappoint. The dude had the facts and receipts ready.
Alex never disappoints with his roast recommendations hahahah
Where Peasant Chat and TST intersect!
@JR10_RR matt has as much credibility in the automotive segment as miss piggy does in the fitness category. Only came here to see this clinic put on by jason recommended by alex, who both have substance and credibility
Jason just schooled yall with facts after facts after facts. He did it gently too. Please take this as a learning opportunity to grow and do better. Separate your feelings and opinions from facts, and make them clear to your audience that you are spewing opinions vs facts. Your attack on Jason's integrity should have shown you that your deep hatred of Elon/Tesla has clouded your mind.
0:00 Intro
2:45 Apologizing
8:25 Journalistic integrity
24:00 Treating all companies equally
43:10 Car accident data
48:15 Acceleration consistency
51:15 Steer by wire
1:14:20 48 volt accusations
1:22:05 Crash test ratings
1:42:14 Jason cut himself on the truck
1:44:52 Pedestrian impact danger
2:07:08 Past vs Present missteps
2:12:00 “Political” differences?
2:15:50 Product vs Company vs Society
2:23:50 Fact finding vs volume
2:34:40 Setting an example
I'm a Camisa-holic and I'm so excited to see these two butt heads in a friendly manor. Seeing Camisa argue FOR steer-by-wire while also saying "I keep my Elise to have the most direct steering possible" is such a good point. Understanding the other side of something doesn't mean you have to be FOR it!
Love me some Jason. Truly a inspired automotive journalist with bright insights that doesnt let politics affect his takes on vehicles
I do take issue with his idea that journalists shouldn't opine about cars and companies. If facts and figures are all that matter I might as well read a cars marketing brochure.
He was saying you can have your opinion, but the facts are still the facts. @@theoneandonlybosable
@@theoneandonlybosable I think that is where the separation between a Journalism, Journalist and Columnist have gotten blurred/blurry. Journalists can editorialize and commentate, but journalism is the capturing or uncovering of facts that tell a story on their own, without editorializing. Obviously this can include witness testimony and interviews, which can be fact checked, but also people generally have bad memories or their brain tries to make sense of something foreign to them and fills in details that are not accurate.
@@theoneandonlybosable What Jason means is that if you call yourself a journalist of any sort, you should provide facts OVER giving your opinion. That does not mean you're not allowed to give your opinion but when you do give your personal opinion on something it should be stated clearly. Thats just what proper journalism means. And about the "if facts and figures are all that matter I might as well read a cars marketing brochure" is just wrong, the clue is in the word ''marketing''. Jason isn't marketing anything with his work thats not his job and im sure he knows that, he's just giving the facts and the results he finds and than sprinkling in some humor to make it entertaining. A brochure on the other hand well.. its goal is literally to convince you to buy something.
@@Nathan_Adams How a car drives is not the latest happenings in geopolitics, editorializing and opining is inherent to reviews of products that corporations ask people to pay for. Funnily enough MKBHD had a quote years ago about reviewing a consumer product- the facts can all be found on a spec sheet, the substance of a good consumer product review is opinion.
Farah has been spouting his thoughtless opinions about Tesla for at least four years. His car reviews are somewhat more professional, but still, he can't separate his politics from facts and change his narrow views. I am so glad Cammisa brought this to light.
Went back to watch the previous episode before going into this. That did not come off as a friend criticizing a friend. That was a hit piece.
Yer he's was being a real cunt towards Jason in it.
Jason - your head is in exactly the right place. Self-doubing and keeping the ego in check is healthy, and required. But as an external observer, how you approach this (and all your other work) really goes to show why you're attracted such a large audience. You're pathologically knowledgeable on the subject and have done your homework.
Keep it up man.
This episode in a nutshell is "I agree with your facts, but my opinion..."
That aside, I still give Matt credit for actually brought Jason to talk it out and to apologize right at the start. He could've just ignored it or just talk to Jason in private and never make this public, but here we are.
Jason's awards in the background is such a Jason move. That and making a 23 page .pdf of his rebuttals prior to the podcast perfectly encapsulates the difference between journalism and youtuber.
I think you meant to say a “lawyer” and a UA-camr! He said he has a law degree in this podcast, and it’s clear.
Jason's understanding of the crash test thing is still wrong in this video. The 10% is not the maximum they though was possible. 5 stars is for any car with 10% or less chance of injury. I don't think many car companies compute and publish their chance of injury under NHTSA conditions but based on that definition I'd have to assume plenty of cars fall in the same range as the Tesla mentioned.
Jason's character 10X> Matt's