Amazing Vespa in the end of the video👌.My pre-bug is equipped with the Stage6 mkII clutch, haven't tried it with the weights yet but after hearing your explanation it seems to me that there might be a valid reason for me to do so since I'm noticing a slight belt slippage every time I twist the throttle and during take-off like you mention.
@@Scooterswapshop I gave like as soon as I finished watching the video already, and subscribed to the channel almost a year ago already too.Maybe it takes a while untill the given like gets to be registered or something like that 🤔🤨.
Big like for this video. Do you have any idea why Polini and others are making clutches without cooling fins ? I just bought a Polini Sport clutch without cooling fins for my 2023 Vespa GTS , but i also put the Polini Clutch Bell Speed Evolution wich has better cooling power than the original bell . After 500 km all looks and feels very good , but i still wonder why there are clutches without cooling fins ...
Can you use a stock bell on a Polini 3G Maxi-speed clutch? I have a new 2924 Roughhouse that I want to improve on, and don't want to do a BBK kit on it at least until after the warranty is up. As of now, I have a Malossi Multivar Variator installed, and I ended up using the stock (7.5g) roller weights with the Malossi white contra spring the new variator kit comes with combination for best performance for my weight. The bike downshift much more quickly for hills than it did stock, as well as the acceleration has also improved. It already want to raise rhe front tire without even trying! 🤣 So, I had tried the 7 gram Malossi rollers before adding the white spring and it also improved about the same as I settled on did. I furi experimented by trying both the Malossi 7 gram rollers and the white spring and the revs weren't in the right place for the powerband of the stock pipe. So I left the white spring in and swapped back to the stock weights and it was perfect again...for now. But I want clutch adjustment, so I can dial in takeoff better when I get a new Yazuni Z pipe. Again, this is a sport build, for mostly acceleration. Top speed isn't a super critical factor but I would like to be able to pull 40 moh reliably in most situations which It almost does now, but not quite. I'm also a bit heavier than an average scoot rider at around 240, and btw this is my daily driver and I haul stuff most of the time, so I'm tuning the CVT for all that extra weight consideration too. Any suggestions would be much appreciated! Love the channel and all the great information! Also, what the hell should I do about this "less than" headlight without overtaking the electrical system? I'm not trying to use some LED shop light for a headlight here either guys. I'm thinking of small off road or fog light LED pods that may mount fairly inconspicuously on the wither side of the front fairing. I want an amber option, which will be great for fog and rain in the dark, if I can't find lo-hi beams style lights, i can turn them off when passing oncoming traffic. Because its almost impossible to find LEDS pods with a vertical cutoff so they don't blind oncoming traffic.
Great video, very informative. Can you tell me, using products on your website, how you would set up the driveline on a Aprillia Ditech with a Malossi 70cc kit($350 kit nothing exotic) and a Tasuni Z pipe? I watched your other video of “what not to do” and I’m unclear regarding the contra component.
Do i really need this? I have a speedfight 3 ac and im going to buy an airsal mid race 70cc, next r pipe and lower the varistor weights to 4,6g i feel like this is enough?
I've been searching and searching myself. What this guy doesn't mention is that there also weights behind the shoes that also have 3 positions. He only showed the adjustment on the front with the tiny teeth which are the preload for the springs. Instructions in the Malossi manual are too minimal to understand fully so I'm going back & forth testing different settings. However at 8:15 he's describing a very similar concept on a different clutch that uses the same idea. Our Malossi Delta only has 3 options for the weights.
Hi my Gilera DNA 180 clutch turns the rear wheel slightly at idle. It's not enough to cause any issues when riding but I hate the vibraton up my ass when at a standstill. All the Piaggio scooters I've had dragged the clutch like this at idle, but I have never installed an aftermarket clutch on one. I have however changed the old clutch springs out for Malossi 2911326 Yellow and installed lighter rollers which has helped only very slightly. The clutch shoes pull on the springs more than the springs pull the clutch shoes closed. Idle is set to 1600-1700rpm as per the specification. I want an aftermarket clutch for my Gilera which will not drag at all at idle, what would you recommend?
4:35 that is not a spacer, that is a torsion washer for your contrast spring, it prevents the contrast spring from twisting. Naraku has better ones though, with real bearings so much less friction.
Hey Dude you need weigh each clucthes and weigh the whole cluctch to make comparison. Because the clucth works on centrifugal force the weights is important inforamation for tuning. Im looking a clutch that weigh lower than 485grams do you have any by chance?
Thanks for this video. What are your thoughts about 2 segments vs 3? I have a 2g polini laying around for more than 10 years now which i got from a friend. I never used it because ii thought 3 segments where better.
I’m running a malossi fly clutch with twh 82cc bbk zx rear koso pulley polini dio variator i have it shimmed correctly but im thinking the malossi fly clutch and the white (race springs) just can’t handle it? I’m not sure I’ve tried so many different combinations of roller weights and the three yellow green and white springs and my mid range just revs hard but i don’t go anywhere and my low end pulls hard it wants to wheelie hard and my top end pulls hard too but the belt doesn’t ride all the way up on the variator. I’ve used twh yellow 1500 contra and red 2000 rpm contra springs and all different types heavy and light roller weight combos. I need help! Also I’m running oko pwk 28 and I’ve got it tuned decently. Should I just get one of these more adjustable clutches? Or should I try to find a set of higher rpm clutch springs for my malossi fly clutch? Thank you !
Hi dude!! Very nice video first of all!! I just got a gp1 250 and I need a clutch probably because doesnt accelerate so fast(I dont know the right word in english). Do you have an idea which clutch will fit better?? The variator is malossi if this is important
Hi Scooterswapshop, Are the other parts of the clutch available (Like the sliding Sheave and the main sheave) Its seems like less work to not have to disassemble your stock basket
Hey man keep up the good work. Just wondering i have a 96cc stock cylinder with a 21mm dellorto carb. What springs should i use in the clutch to make it easier for wheelies? I currently have a white big one with stock small clutch springs.
Is there any way to minimise the spool up of the clutch before it engages. You said you recommend red clutch springs which engage at about 8k. From a standstill and if it's city use, then this setup would be pretty annoying having to rev it so high before it moves.
You can have it engage anywhere from 2000 rpm or 8000. Race bikes need high engagement. Soft springs engage wealth stuff springs engage late. Just pick the ones you need and install for your needs
Para sacar los muelles del Malossi solo hay que sacar los tornillos, se cambian y se vuelven a colocar los tornillos sin hacer fuerza... no es necesario un tirador
I have a 1999 piaggio typhoon goes about 80km/h power ends after passing 45km/h what should i do and it is pretty mutch stock. has a 17.5 dellorto carburetor. Should i buy a better cylinder or adjust the cvt?
150cc Gy6 you really don’t need to install performance clutches like this as they engage very low. We use the ncy clutches with 1000 rpm springs on 171 big bore bikes
Scooterswapshop Thanks for the tip. The 171 is likely my next upgrade, hopefully. I installed the 2,000 red springs with contra spring into the stock clutch recently... Do you offer any help via email? Would love to briefly list my build and get any feedback from people that actually know what they’re doing. Mostly trial and error to this point. Thanks again.
That’s way too stuff for a 171. We advise contacting the shop you got the parts from for tuning help. If you decide to do the 171 we can help with that but we can only help On parts we provide as we dont want to step on other stores toes with customer support
Scooterswapshop Understood. Thanks again. Will be sure and order from you guys next as support is the one thing lacking from any of the places I’ve previously ordered from.
Scooterswapshop one final question, I haven’t actually upgraded to the 171 yet and am still at 150. I currently have all red springs in my clutch, so are you saying they are too stiff for the 150 as well? If so, I’ll gladly purchase some yellows from you folks. Thanks!
i want to know what kind of springs should i put.. i have Aerox with Malossi 124cc , Multivar 2000 (8,4g rollers), Torque Drive Malossi, Delorto 21,Technigas Next R, and Stage6 Clutch (with white springs right now...). And i cannot make more than 80km/h.. What is the Problem..Please somebody tell me
Hey man is there anyway you can give me some assistance I have a polini x1 it’s a single speed dirt bike and the (clutch) went ordered a new one but im new to all this and I’m working on my bike on my own don’t have money for experts if you can call me or email me just to chat about it that would be sweet.
Hi, infortunately we don’t have staffing to be able to call people and help them on items purchased elsewhere. I’d imagine there are some UA-cam videos on it. It’s a pretty easy setup I’d imagine
One of the best channels on UA-cam. Always 100% information, knows their stuff and actually uses it.
thanks man!
Amazing Vespa in the end of the video👌.My pre-bug is equipped with the Stage6 mkII clutch, haven't tried it with the weights yet but after hearing your explanation it seems to me that there might be a valid reason for me to do so since I'm noticing a slight belt slippage every time I twist the throttle and during take-off like you mention.
Nice 👍 give a like and subscribe bud!
@@Scooterswapshop I gave like as soon as I finished watching the video already, and subscribed to the channel almost a year ago already too.Maybe it takes a while untill the given like gets to be registered or something like that 🤔🤨.
A very informative video/review. Keep up the good work. 🛵💨
Thank you rick!
Thank you very much for this video. I will be buying the Stage 6. I like one and done. What variator and belt would be a good match for a 70cc setup?
Hi! For what bike?
Mallosi multivar is the best variator for 70cc and belt take one from malossi,polini or stage6 the dont make a difference
Big like for this video. Do you have any idea why Polini and others are making clutches without cooling fins ? I just bought a Polini Sport clutch without cooling fins for my 2023 Vespa GTS , but i also put the Polini Clutch Bell Speed Evolution wich has better cooling power than the original bell . After 500 km all looks and feels very good , but i still wonder why there are clutches without cooling fins ...
Can you use a stock bell on a Polini 3G Maxi-speed clutch? I have a new 2924 Roughhouse that I want to improve on, and don't want to do a BBK kit on it at least until after the warranty is up. As of now, I have a Malossi Multivar Variator installed, and I ended up using the stock (7.5g) roller weights with the Malossi white contra spring the new variator kit comes with combination for best performance for my weight. The bike downshift much more quickly for hills than it did stock, as well as the acceleration has also improved. It already want to raise rhe front tire without even trying! 🤣
So, I had tried the 7 gram Malossi rollers before adding the white spring and it also improved about the same as I settled on did. I furi experimented by trying both the Malossi 7 gram rollers and the white spring and the revs weren't in the right place for the powerband of the stock pipe. So I left the white spring in and swapped back to the stock weights and it was perfect again...for now. But I want clutch adjustment, so I can dial in takeoff better when I get a new Yazuni Z pipe. Again, this is a sport build, for mostly acceleration. Top speed isn't a super critical factor but I would like to be able to pull 40 moh reliably in most situations which It almost does now, but not quite. I'm also a bit heavier than an average scoot rider at around 240, and btw this is my daily driver and I haul stuff most of the time, so I'm tuning the CVT for all that extra weight consideration too. Any suggestions would be much appreciated! Love the channel and all the great information! Also, what the hell should I do about this "less than" headlight without overtaking the electrical system? I'm not trying to use some LED shop light for a headlight here either guys. I'm thinking of small off road or fog light LED pods that may mount fairly inconspicuously on the wither side of the front fairing. I want an amber option, which will be great for fog and rain in the dark, if I can't find lo-hi beams style lights, i can turn them off when passing oncoming traffic. Because its almost impossible to find LEDS pods with a vertical cutoff so they don't blind oncoming traffic.
Thank you man :) very good video
Glad it helped
Great video, very informative. Can you tell me, using products on your website, how you would set up the driveline on a Aprillia Ditech with a Malossi 70cc kit($350 kit nothing exotic) and a Tasuni Z pipe? I watched your other video of “what not to do” and I’m unclear regarding the contra component.
Not to sure of what the actual question is we have about 4 videos on cvt tuning and so on feel free to call the shop and Paul can get you set up.
Also I’d start by getting rid of the z, it’s a Stock replacement ex it doesn’t offer performance e
Do i really need this? I have a speedfight 3 ac and im going to buy an airsal mid race 70cc, next r pipe and lower the varistor weights to 4,6g i feel like this is enough?
all up to you on what you need.
Is 7500+ clutch engagement too much for 50cc with lighter rollers and pipe?
You said good for 2 strokes, but what about 4 stroke Aprilia motard? I have the polini one you showed. Am I safe to install that one?
If i want better acceleration from stand still for the mallosi delta how do i adjust the slidey thingies? Cuz now its really slow from stand still
I've been searching and searching myself. What this guy doesn't mention is that there also weights behind the shoes that also have 3 positions. He only showed the adjustment on the front with the tiny teeth which are the preload for the springs. Instructions in the Malossi manual are too minimal to understand fully so I'm going back & forth testing different settings.
However at 8:15 he's describing a very similar concept on a different clutch that uses the same idea. Our Malossi Delta only has 3 options for the weights.
Hi my Gilera DNA 180 clutch turns the rear wheel slightly at idle.
It's not enough to cause any issues when riding but I hate the vibraton up my ass when at a standstill.
All the Piaggio scooters I've had dragged the clutch like this at idle, but I have never installed an aftermarket clutch on one. I have however changed the old clutch springs out for Malossi 2911326 Yellow and installed lighter rollers which has helped only very slightly.
The clutch shoes pull on the springs more than the springs pull the clutch shoes closed.
Idle is set to 1600-1700rpm as per the specification.
I want an aftermarket clutch for my Gilera which will not drag at all at idle, what would you recommend?
4:35 that is not a spacer, that is a torsion washer for your contrast spring, it prevents the contrast spring from twisting. Naraku has better ones though, with real bearings so much less friction.
Yes however the naraku ones are prone to losing the bearings as they’re not caged. I’m not a fan of the design
Hey Dude you need weigh each clucthes and weigh the whole cluctch to make comparison. Because the clucth works on centrifugal force the weights is important inforamation for tuning.
Im looking a clutch that weigh lower than 485grams do you have any by chance?
Thanks for this video. What are your thoughts about 2 segments vs 3? I have a 2g polini laying around for more than 10 years now which i got from a friend. I never used it because ii thought 3 segments where better.
DH the 2 shoe is a drag race clutch. I’ve had good luck with that clutch however it’s not made anymore. I wouldn’t hesitate to run it
@@Scooterswapshop Thanks for your quick reply. Keep it up with your great video's :) Cannot wait for your next twin build video!
I’m running a malossi fly clutch with twh 82cc bbk zx rear koso pulley polini dio variator i have it shimmed correctly but im thinking the malossi fly clutch and the white (race springs) just can’t handle it? I’m not sure I’ve tried so many different combinations of roller weights and the three yellow green and white springs and my mid range just revs hard but i don’t go anywhere and my low end pulls hard it wants to wheelie hard and my top end pulls hard too but the belt doesn’t ride all the way up on the variator. I’ve used twh yellow 1500 contra and red 2000 rpm contra springs and all different types heavy and light roller weight combos. I need help! Also I’m running oko pwk 28 and I’ve got it tuned decently. Should I just get one of these more adjustable clutches? Or should I try to find a set of higher rpm clutch springs for my malossi fly clutch?
Thank you !
How do you tune your Idols to go so low on your bikes and how it like that Vespa
Hello, which clutch to choose Stage6 Torque Control or Malossi Delta?, I have the whole set of Malossi MHR La furia drive, Piaggio engine
Stage6
Good info sir I have malossi clutch and bell for my kymco 150 it has blue springs do you think this is good for a stock setup
nice!
Hi dude!! Very nice video first of all!! I just got a gp1 250 and I need a clutch probably because doesnt accelerate so fast(I dont know the right word in english). Do you have an idea which clutch will fit better?? The variator is malossi if this is important
Call the shop we can get you going fast!
Hi. Can u say what i need 2 to ? I have xmax 300 and wanna that he starts faster 0-100…
Would this be able to fit in a 139qmb engine
My favorit is the Doppler SX86 Clutch.
NICE
Hi Scooterswapshop, Are the other parts of the clutch available (Like the sliding Sheave and the main sheave) Its seems like less work to not have to disassemble your stock basket
call the shop
Which 1 is your favourite?
Great video!!! Do you have one for the rc one Minarelli setup?
which one lol
Hey man keep up the good work.
Just wondering i have a 96cc stock cylinder with a 21mm dellorto carb. What springs should i use in the clutch to make it easier for wheelies? I currently have a white big one with stock small clutch springs.
Depends
Which one is better the 107mm or the 105mm
size doesn't matter just depends on the bike
Do i need to adjust something in the variator to install a better clutch and clutch springs
Will polini Springs fit stage six clutch 107?
Negatory...
Is there any way to minimise the spool up of the clutch before it engages. You said you recommend red clutch springs which engage at about 8k. From a standstill and if it's city use, then this setup would be pretty annoying having to rev it so high before it moves.
You can have it engage anywhere from 2000 rpm or 8000. Race bikes need high engagement. Soft springs engage wealth stuff springs engage late. Just pick the ones you need and install for your needs
Para sacar los muelles del Malossi solo hay que sacar los tornillos, se cambian y se vuelven a colocar los tornillos sin hacer fuerza... no es necesario un tirador
I yous the stage6 clutch whit Malossi delta spring ( Black )
That Work super fine on my Yamaha Aerox scooter ( polini evolution 3 )
cool
Do you sell the spacer for the Polini clutch or know where I can get one? I already have the clutch. I just need the spacer.
call the shop not all bikes are the same
I have a 1999 piaggio typhoon goes about 80km/h power ends after passing 45km/h what should i do and it is pretty mutch stock. has a 17.5 dellorto carburetor. Should i buy a better cylinder or adjust the cvt?
You can call the shop give Paul your name and order number so he can see what parts you have nd can give you the advice you need.
What would you recommend doing with a speedfight 2 100cc wrc?
email the shop with more details
Any chance you have a recommendation for the 150cc? Thanks for any support.
150cc Gy6 you really don’t need to install performance clutches like this as they engage very low. We use the ncy clutches with 1000 rpm springs on 171 big bore bikes
Scooterswapshop Thanks for the tip. The 171 is likely my next upgrade, hopefully. I installed the 2,000 red springs with contra spring into the stock clutch recently... Do you offer any help via email? Would love to briefly list my build and get any feedback from people that actually know what they’re doing. Mostly trial and error to this point. Thanks again.
That’s way too stuff for a 171. We advise contacting the shop you got the parts from for tuning help. If you decide to do the 171 we can help with that but we can only help
On parts we provide as we dont want to step on other stores toes with customer support
Scooterswapshop Understood. Thanks again. Will be sure and order from you guys next as support is the one thing lacking from any of the places I’ve previously ordered from.
Scooterswapshop one final question, I haven’t actually upgraded to the 171 yet and am still at 150. I currently have all red springs in my clutch, so are you saying they are too stiff for the 150 as well? If so, I’ll gladly purchase some yellows from you folks. Thanks!
What you think about blue springs?
depends on what blue springs and what bike and what your going for
Добрый день подскажите пожалуйста какое лучше всего поставить сцепление на Yamaha Grand Axis-100
Ставил malossi fly -112мм работало хорошо но на 12000об подорвало плату
i want to know what kind of springs should i put.. i have Aerox with Malossi 124cc , Multivar 2000 (8,4g rollers), Torque Drive Malossi, Delorto 21,Technigas Next R, and Stage6 Clutch (with white springs right now...). And i cannot make more than 80km/h.. What is the Problem..Please somebody tell me
we have many videos on tuning.
My old clutch size was a 105 and bought 107 is it an upgrade or my clutch is going to slip
you get a 107 bell?
@@Scooterswapshop yea i use to have a 105 but i bought a 107 bell and clutch is that bad? or will it slip
is the stage six good to upgrade the gilera runner 50cc from 2009
Sure.
What clutch springs would be best between polini and malosi?
all depends on the bike and what you want to do!
What is the solution. I feel the clutch is sliding on the bell
springs or better clutch
Interested in a Piaggio zip fast rider 80cc?
ok
Can u help.me.i need racing crank for my honda dio2 engine. Thank you for youre kindness
Yes I can go to our website send us a email with what you exactly need or call the shop we have parts on the website tho.
Stage 6 looks easy and simple to Tune.
yep
I want a cluth for My grand Yamaha axis 100
not sure we can get that visit our site or our other website scooterpartshop.com
Does it work for 150cc?
Yep!
Can I get a stage 6 for my 2017 honda forza 125 cc
call talk to Paul he can set you up with something potentially
Stage 6 clutch you said it was a spacer.It is compression/tork spring seat and not a spacer.
cool
Scooter BW'S 100 please
what are you asking about?
Hey man is there anyway you can give me some assistance I have a polini x1 it’s a single speed dirt bike and the (clutch) went ordered a new one but im new to all this and I’m working on my bike on my own don’t have money for experts if you can call me or email me just to chat about it that would be sweet.
Hi, infortunately we don’t have staffing to be able to call people and help them on items purchased elsewhere. I’d imagine there are some UA-cam videos on it. It’s a pretty easy setup I’d imagine