Come on guys can we just stop arguing about how Russian or American weapons getting destroyed in war? Because what is war without weapons destroyed? And what is a weapon if it is used by a bad user?
It’s about the number of loses and weapons destroyed. Compare the Gulf war to this Sh*t show Russia has been humiliated in. The US defeated Iraq with in a month and Iraq in 1991 was the 4th strongest military in the world, with over 600,000 active duty soldiers, 5000 Russian tanks, thousands of Russian artillery, hundreds of modern Russian fighter jets like the Mig-29 and Mig-25, hundreds of Russian modern SAM’s like the SA-6, ballistic missiles and many many Russian Manpads. The US beat that military in a month while taking less than 500 CASUALTIES!!! Russia takes 500 casualties per day and has lost thousands of heavy military equipment, and are stuck in a stalemate with the 22nd ranked global military in Ukraine
@@tylerclayton6081 One of the biggest flaws the US has never seems to improve is to measure the numbers of the opponent alone without trying to figure out how strong is the opponent’s will to fight. Iraq was actually a poorly equipped army (compare to the US) with degraded T-72M from Poland which did not have composite armour. Soldiers were horribly trained and has a very low morale. The command system was also very corrupted and unwilling to fight. As I said, the will of the ones who fight is more important than the weapon he wields. And unfortunately for Russians, that’s what Ukraine has. P/S: This is also the first time Russia fight in a war this large against a country supported by NATO. They sure have triggered much less wars compared to the US
Just see the capabilities of millitary of Russia and ukraine ukraine is 10x behind but still russia isn't able to capture ukraine in nearly 3 months and taken a whole lot of loss than ukraine also nato is only supporting ukraine with arms not army those arms russian army also has but still taking lot of loss therefore it's said one man defending his home is stronger than others invading it
I always wonder whether current missiles really care about the pilots abilities these days. Modern missiles perform actions, that would kill every human AND they are faster. Additionally the concept of fighter jets now revolves around flying weapon carriers, which should be able to detect any incoming fighter from a far.
@@VES. Right, but the concept is driven to its extreme with platforms such as F-22/35, which try to be hard to detect, while knowing the enemies position long before him. That is also the aim of the NGAD program and with basically having flying sensors all over in the form of drones. I think the war of the mathematicans and computer scientists has long begun.
@@tetraxis3011 Keep in mind Vietnam was 50-60 years ago. Don't you think that times have changed on the battlefield. Looking at the war in Ukraine, it seems like modern warfare has changed quite a bit...
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Ale kdeže. Ta "horšia" manévrovateľnosť ma jeden jediný ľahko odstrániteľný dôvod: na amerických lietadlách nie je možné vypnúť kvôli bezpečnosti pilota a lietadla systémy FBW, kým v ruských áno. Pri niektorých manévroch sa stáva lietadlo extrémne nestabilným, preto ich FBW "nepovolí". Povestnú Pugačev kobru pritom zvládne aj stará F-16 s vypnutým FBW.
@Average Joe they have strategies and are building jet fighters to go with it, russia is all about SAM's and clearly when you have an s-400 backing you up you do not need anything beside thrust and maneuverability. stealth is even useless for them i do not understand what kind of missions the su57's are made for (especially that it isnt that stealthy)
@Average Joe By physics it is literally impossible, missiles can go at mach 2.8, that, plus the small control surfaces does not allow much maneuverability.
Maneuverability cannot be measured on a linear scale as this video suggests. For example, an aircraft like the F-16 has excellent high speed and high G maneuverability particularly at it's corner velocity of around 450 knots CAS and at low to medium altitudes below 20,000 feet. On the other hand the F/A-18 has excellent slow speed and high alpha maneuverability and can be maneuvered even at around 150 knots CAS. Which one is more maneuverable? It depends, what kind of maneuverability are you asking for? The Su-30 will do all kinds of backflips and high alpha, while an F-16 will effortlessly maintain high Gs in a dogfight. The conditions of the flight will also affect maneuverability. In a high G fight, the F-16 is better at medium altitudes while the F-15 is better at higher altitudes. Some aircraft excel in specific maneuvers, the F-35 for example has a maneuver called the pedal turn that produces a consistent 28 degree per second rate. The F/A-18E and F on the other hand has a menuver called the "Turbo nose down" which is also excellent. So you can't simply say, Aircraft A is more maneuverable than aircraft B.
Very well put sir. It's a joy to some one who also knows the different doctrines of ACM/BFM, and that the objective is to engage in a fight that fit your aircraft the best.
Indian Air force have Rafal, su 30 mki, mig 29, Mirage 2000, Sepect Jaguar, HAL Tejas , Mig 21 (out of service) Apache, chinuk etc,, IAF is proud of India
@@mayank4976 dude in almost every military video that is unrelated to the Indian military there will be that one overproud Indian saying "India number 1!!!" Or "where is India???" I even saw a video about a Russo ukranian war and there was this one comment saying "what about India?"
Russian jets; “look at us! We can do the cobra maneuver and literally stand on our tails!” AIM9X; “Hey look! That Russian jet doing the cobra maneuver is a slow, fat target with flaming hot exhaust that my seeker head cannot possibly miss. In the olden days we called those sitting ducks.”
Ancora non hanno dimostrato nulla questi prodigi della tecnologia stealth,gli f22 li abbiam visti operativi in qualche produzione marvel,o probabilmente avranno bombardato dei beduini e pecorai del deserto fermi all'età della pietra
Extremely underrated fighter aircraft. And that’s not taking into consideration that’s it’s cheaper that all of these aircraft. Def best fighter for your dollar.
u.s. airforce philosophy in air superiority avoids dog fighting...it prefers bvr. meanwhile, the u.s. navy is concerned about pronouns that will not offend its crew members.
@@birchwot6979 what an idiot missiles aren't rockets dummy missiles are mach 4 plus speeds and have long ranges and are very accurate and US has been making the most accurate and precise missiles like AIM 120 Amraam and Aim 54 phoenix
The su57 give me a break who ever made this video needs to do some serious research, the su57 they have only built 21 and 10 are on test the other 11 are serial, thet are having problems with the saturn engins.
Eurofighter Typhoon at 7? You're nuts! Nothing short of F-22 and maybe Su-57 could out-dogfight a Typhoon! No other plane can maintain as much air speed in tight turns as a Typhoon, nor can any other plane, and especially pilot, conduct 9G maneuvers for as long as with the Typhoon. Also, even though the Su-57 is quite good, there are only a handful in existence, and unlikely to be more in the future, so not a real contender. Furthermore, Typhoon has the Meteor missile for long range interception which is a great advantage (even though not really for dogfighting).
you are wrong. Russia has not been able to make trust vectoring engines work reliably and as such they are not using them in front line combat aircraft. second, stop claiming that doing the cobra is so hard. the move Maverik did in Top gun was the cobra. the first aircraft to do it was the antique SAAB 35 Draken. almost every modern fighter can do it. even many gen 3 fighters were capable. we don't do it very often because of the stress on the airframe.
the only reason why the su 57 is no 1 is because everyone saw it do that maneuver in top gun maverick and can't get over it, and all of this is off Wikipedia or just their own assumption. the gripen CANNOT do a cobra.
Kobru zvládne aj stará F-16. SU-57 je číslom jeden preto, že je v ňom možné vypnúť systémy FBW, kým v amerických lietadlách to kvôli ochrane lietadla a pilota umožnené nie je. Tá manévroveteľnosť je v boji absolútne nepodstatná, ke´dže toto sú lietadlá irčené na boj mimo pole viditeľnosti pilota. Rozhodujú tu stealth vlastnosti , kde SU-57 patrí do 4+ generácie a nie do 5.generácie kvôli absencii RAM náterov. Te boli tak drahé, že rusi od nich upustili, pretože inak by si nemohli dovoliť ani tých 7 kusov ktoré vyrobili a nasadili do armády. Mimochodom kvôli cene zredukovali počet plánovaného počtu SU57 z 350 na 76 kusov
I mean, I didn't see the top 2 fighters turn at a tighter radius than the F-22, just saying. You can figure it out on paper, but if they can't physically do it, they can't do it. I have a feeling the control surfaces of these aircraft aren't up to the task, stress-wise.
@@Blulight-19183_didnt know spelling one word wrong from a foreign language makes someone useless. welp spelling bal(l)oon wrong doesnt change the fact that the f-22 only shoots bal(l)oons of the sky
How can Su have 3 entries on this list? It’s literally the same airframe each time. There’s no difference between them other than a few minute details. 27,30,33,35 all the same Su
I wonder if any Russian jet could actually compete with F15? Well over 100 wins, no losses is air combat! You people are not very smart or thorough. Oh, by the all F15 kills have been against Russian built jets
well depends cause to see it simply the F-15 is kind of a missile truck and 2-3 elements of F-15 can easily attack and defend against any russian jet in BVR and lets not take in dogfights as they are the last thing to happen in combat todays era dogfights are almost negated by long range BVR missiles
You lie. Russian export planes shot down many F-15. By the way. F-15 has never faces its real counterpart - Su-27. Though, indians on Su-30 won F-15 and f-18 and F-16 in drill combats with ration 8 to 1. Recently Russian Su-27 chased away F-15 from liner.Give me details about at least 5 victories of F-15, when, where it happened, what were opposite sources. Lies about "100 victores" is invention of american propaganda with no any proves.
I would argue Rafale (and not Rafael how can you talk about jet without knowing that ?) won against the F-22 and in a 1v1 (score : Draw = 6, Rafale = 1, F-22 = 0) in the UAE and won in a 1v2 and 2v4 against EFT
The Su-57 on has that thrust to weight ratio with the engines designed for it which don’t exist yet. It has to use the engines of the SU-35 which are under powered in that big ass jet. It does really matter since it’s only built to show off a air shows with a grand total of 5 built and none on the way
I'm curious about the delta wings on European fighters. Why do they seem to only use them and why do US fighters never use them? What are the advantages/disadvantage and is there some difference in tactics and doctrine that dictate the different choices?
delta wings are only good at supersonic flights because they make less lift than other wing designs, and US fighter jets are pretty heavy because of their equipment and stuff so delta wings are not a choice
Gripen is not called, gri P E N, its a long i, and a hard G and short "pen". GrrrIiiiiiipen... sounds so much better in swedish, meaning, like hippogryph or falcon.
If you have been made a bit of real research not eating propaganda, you have been found out that Eurofighter is way beyond everithing on that list in maneuvrability. Actually all of the delta wing designs are way way superior to the other on maneuvrability terms...
@@aquilescastro1335 The F-15 has at least 104 confirmed air to air kills. The majority of them with the IAF starting in 1979 against the Syrian Air Force Soviet supplied Migs. No maybe about it.
Ok, most of this is moot as Russia is broke, they have no money and have defaulted on their international loans. You can't build planes with wishes and rainbows. They have 6 operational SU-57's and will not build anymore until these sanctions are lifted. Now to the planes they actually have...decreasing by the minute and not because of Ukraine, but because of lack of spare parts. Currently at least 60% of all Russian aircraft are on the ground and useless as they do not have parts necessary to repair (see sanctions above). Russia is about as threating militarily (conventional forces) as North Korea, if they are lucky. The only threat Russia is to us and the rest of the world is with their nukes which is why Vlad keeps bringing that up. If their military was anything but an anemic paper tiger they would have easily taken Ukraine in a matter of weeks, not including the potential insurgency which would likely follow.
@@tlndblood8776 I highly suggest you watch some of the Swiss demos from the C/D legacy models to see for yourself, I have never seen half the planes on this list fly like that and that's just because of a software upgrade. It has incredible nose authority at low speeds/high angles of attack that is comparable to something with vector thrust. There's a reason why the HARV program chose the f18 first
Seen all these jets over the years, saw the SU-57 at MAKS and maybe the Russians were being a bit cagey with it, but the SU-35 was absolutely phenomenal and won the day hands down!!
In today's jet age dogfight, it's very clear that the cobra maneuver can easily be executed primarily by aerobatic biplanes of WW1 type built design performing below 95 knots respectively, An F22 going up against an SU57 both jets would exceed speed's of 120+ knots upwards 5g's to 7g's+. It true to say rhat its absolutely a sitting duck waste maneuver.
@@tedobg3599 didn't they have a lot of trouble with true engines? I know they had to borrow su35 engines for a long time. Its easy to claim whatever you want when no one will ever see your product.
Those numbers can be deceiving. The video failed to specify what fuel load the twr stats are based on. Sukhois in particular are very large aircraft, so when fully fueled have dramatically different twr numbers compared to a smaller and lighter aircraft like the f22.
Buzz always adds russian weapons to the top, but every time we see that modern russian weapons cannot even withstand old nato weapons on the battlefields. I've been following for years, the best russian defense industry propaganda channel after combat approved
@JK JK2 All of the events you mentioned are specific examples, and the reason for them was explained and corrected by America. Yes, the Russians did these with old Soviet weapons, but what do you have now? Again, old soviet weapons. Do they have a weapon that has been modernly manufactured and field-proven in the last 30 years? We saw what happened to the ads they trusted most in Libya, Syria, Karabakh and Ukraine. We also saw how much deviation ballistic and cruise missiles hit targets. What's left?
No no brother, US weapons are better than the Russian ones most of the times. But the reason why Russians are on the top here is because of the difference in the fighting doctrine of these 2 countries. US believes that dogfighting is a thing of the past and invests more in Stealth and Beyond Visual Range (BVR) weapons but Russians still put emphasis on dogfighting and invest in the manoeuvrability of the planes, which is why Russian planes are the most manoeuvrable in the world.
@JK JK2 That's not mentioning Indian MiG-21s shooting down Pakistani F-16. Mig-21 man... One of those has been standing as a monument in a park near my home since forever, it was there before I was born. It is all rusty now and I'm in my mid-30s - and those are still shooting down F-16s in 2019.
lmfao you dont evade missiles with supermaneurability. No matter how maneuverable the planes are they're not as maneuverable as the missile. The missile will out maneuver you 100% of the time.
@@tetraxis3011 No im not, the amraam and r77 are both capable of pulling upwards of 30gs (although not as capable as the aim9x, which is capable of 60gs). the missile WILL (as long as it has enough energy) out turn you no matter what in its terminal phase. pulling a cobra or watever the russian fighters do wont help. Pulling a cobra while the missile is in its boost phase also wont help. You'll loose all your energy and fall out of the sky while the missile will barely have to make a turn, loosing little to no energy. Only way to defeat a missile is by being fast, cranking and notching, forcing the missile to make turns bleeding its energy.
How do you know the Su 57 is not stealthy as F 22; as most of the technical parameters of Su 57 are closely guarded secret. Su 35 by far is the best maneuverable jet by performance and visuals certified by many professionals across the world based on actual usage. Su 57 has not tested by many and outside Russia and the true characteristics are closely guarded. The fact that no one noticed their presence in Syria and Ukraine until it was officially announced talks volume about its stealth capabilities. The same cannot be said about F 22 though as it has been spotted on many occasions by Russian radars.
Because the Su-57 has exposed bolts on its exterior and giant IRST sticking out of it’s nose. The Su-57 is just a pseudo stealth jet. It has an RCS similar to that of the Super Hornet
And are of f22 and f32...ppl think this kind of data will be revield on some public act bill or something....who measured rcs of the jets!??? Claiming f22 has rcs of 1 micro meter(dont have greek letter to write it correctly) is apsurde! Every ww2 radar can "see" every jet ever produced
@@tylerclayton6081 and who told you exposed bolts increase RCS. with completely hidden bolts F22 & f35 is still highly visible on old S 300 radar. Now imagine the capability of S 400 & S 500. that explains all what you hear about RCS is a fancy. In real world RCS has no applicability with high tech radar.
The following is interesting: some say about the SU-57 that it is not stealth enough. OK. Q: Has anyone seen him? Have you even met him? On the other hand, in Syria, even the SU-35s were the first to see the F-22s and went behind them. After that, the F-22 and F-35 pilots were forbidden to be near the SU-35 flight area. Of course, everyone praises their technique, but the facts are stubborn things, this is not Hollywood.
Being a 5th generation is not possible only with design. The Su-57's avionics, engine footprint and noise pollution make it even 4.5+ generations away. What is this tumbling pigeon that can get rid of a rafaele with Aesa and a meteor by maneuvering? I don't even compare it to the F-22 and F-35
@@yusufyaras9423 You're talking fantasies, I'm talking facts. How it really was. With the help of the latest Russian sensors, all "super-stealth" aircraft glow on the radar like Christmas trees. In a real battle, stealth will no longer help, but super-maneuverability will help. Don't tell me stories, you make me laugh at your ignorance😁
@@MrRoninGT We don't see proof ofthis and the Russians would not bea ble to make sensors without western microchips. No, they cannot make their own, and neither can China.
@@MrRoninGT Well bro. Tell this to the Su-57 pilots, who will be hit by a missile from 100 kilometers away by an aircraft that they cannot see on the radar screen, to continue preparing themselves for the dogfight they will never experience, and to trust this maneuver.
Come on guys can we just stop arguing about how Russian or American weapons getting destroyed in war? Because what is war without weapons destroyed? And what is a weapon if it is used by a bad user?
It’s about the number of loses and weapons destroyed. Compare the Gulf war to this Sh*t show Russia has been humiliated in. The US defeated Iraq with in a month and Iraq in 1991 was the 4th strongest military in the world, with over 600,000 active duty soldiers, 5000 Russian tanks, thousands of Russian artillery, hundreds of modern Russian fighter jets like the Mig-29 and Mig-25, hundreds of Russian modern SAM’s like the SA-6, ballistic missiles and many many Russian Manpads.
The US beat that military in a month while taking less than 500 CASUALTIES!!! Russia takes 500 casualties per day and has lost thousands of heavy military equipment, and are stuck in a stalemate with the 22nd ranked global military in Ukraine
@@tylerclayton6081 One of the biggest flaws the US has never seems to improve is to measure the numbers of the opponent alone without trying to figure out how strong is the opponent’s will to fight. Iraq was actually a poorly equipped army (compare to the US) with degraded T-72M from Poland which did not have composite armour. Soldiers were horribly trained and has a very low morale. The command system was also very corrupted and unwilling to fight. As I said, the will of the ones who fight is more important than the weapon he wields. And unfortunately for Russians, that’s what Ukraine has.
P/S: This is also the first time Russia fight in a war this large against a country supported by NATO. They sure have triggered much less wars compared to the US
Just see the capabilities of millitary of Russia and ukraine ukraine is 10x behind but still russia isn't able to capture ukraine in nearly 3 months and taken a whole lot of loss than ukraine also nato is only supporting ukraine with arms not army those arms russian army also has but still taking lot of loss therefore it's said one man defending his home is stronger than others invading it
EXACTLY
war without weapons is a fistfight
Wow just saw Top Gun Maverick and I already feel like a fighter Ace veteran.🛩
Just saw that pos cheesy movie and never gonna even go back to it even if i am paid for watching it. Such a lousy job
@@-Muhammad_Ali- pos cheesy movie? Its literally the best movie released since covid so what are you on about 💀
@@-Muhammad_Ali- Cope
The SU-57 is probably my favorite plane at the moment
It was my favourite from a game and i loved it even more after seeing the missile dodge at top gun
@@feesh_gaming it's a really bad ass plane. Both looks & performance
@@feesh_gaming I bet the producers are regretting right now and would make all russian planes look like garbage.
@@shallah777 it’s so sleek unlike the f35 that looks a bit round 😭
@@bananaboy1026 right!
I like the way the SU57 looks compared to the others. It just looks so intimidating and has that weird screaming sound.
the sound of death
The modern Russian j 87 (Stuka)
You forgot about SAAB 37 Viggen. It has reverse thrust capabilities making it super efficient and highly maneuverable in parking situations
not even close to these planes
😂😂👍
I agree
@@tedobg3599Do you even know anything about the Viggen?
@WASSIM-BENYAMINA bruh, he is joking
Where's the f-16?
Hey, they're trying to make the Russians look good for once. Leave US air superiority for another time.
Without computer assistance it's a flying coffin
I always wonder whether current missiles really care about the pilots abilities these days. Modern missiles perform actions, that would kill every human AND they are faster. Additionally the concept of fighter jets now revolves around flying weapon carriers, which should be able to detect any incoming fighter from a far.
if you think about it, every military vehicle is a rocket launcher.
@@VES. Right, but the concept is driven to its extreme with platforms such as F-22/35, which try to be hard to detect, while knowing the enemies position long before him. That is also the aim of the NGAD program and with basically having flying sensors all over in the form of drones. I think the war of the mathematicans and computer scientists has long begun.
this theory reduced american kill ratio from ww2 to vietnam, they believed that airplanes should have Guns and should just stick to missiles
That is what they said in Vietnam, yet the gun less phantom ll had issues dueto it’s lack of a gun.
@@tetraxis3011 Keep in mind Vietnam was 50-60 years ago. Don't you think that times have changed on the battlefield. Looking at the war in Ukraine, it seems like modern warfare has changed quite a bit...
I wonder how the F15 STOL would have stacked up if Mac D would have made it more than a test bed aircraft. It was pretty advanced back in the day.
The Su-57 is drop dead gorgeous, it can kill on looks alone.
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Произнося "маневренный самолёт", "dog fight", "сверхманевренность" сразу на ум идёт только СУхой)
great for airshows, f16 will turn dry to wet in low speeds
@@mv3592 Ты сам то понял что написал, папуас?
@@mv3592 depends on the pilots training
Ale kdeže. Ta "horšia" manévrovateľnosť ma jeden jediný ľahko odstrániteľný dôvod: na amerických lietadlách nie je možné vypnúť kvôli bezpečnosti pilota a lietadla systémy FBW, kým v ruských áno. Pri niektorých manévroch sa stáva lietadlo extrémne nestabilným, preto ich FBW "nepovolí". Povestnú Pugačev kobru pritom zvládne aj stará F-16 s vypnutým FBW.
True
There is a saying in USAF
"Dog fight left Russia, but Russians never left Dog Fight"
@Average Joe they have strategies and are building jet fighters to go with it, russia is all about SAM's and clearly when you have an s-400 backing you up you do not need anything beside thrust and maneuverability. stealth is even useless for them i do not understand what kind of missions the su57's are made for (especially that it isnt that stealthy)
@Average Joe missiles are that maneuverable
@Average Joe Misiles are NOT as maneuverable as Jets, their speed doesn’t allow it.
@Average Joe By physics it is literally impossible, missiles can go at mach 2.8, that, plus the small control surfaces does not allow much maneuverability.
Good luck maneuvering your way out of an AIM-260 JATM fired from 200 km away lol
The TR-3B Just vibin with their 90 degree turns and Anti-Gravity
Maneuverability cannot be measured on a linear scale as this video suggests.
For example, an aircraft like the F-16 has excellent high speed and high G maneuverability particularly at it's corner velocity of around 450 knots CAS and at low to medium altitudes below 20,000 feet.
On the other hand the F/A-18 has excellent slow speed and high alpha maneuverability and can be maneuvered even at around 150 knots CAS.
Which one is more maneuverable? It depends, what kind of maneuverability are you asking for?
The Su-30 will do all kinds of backflips and high alpha, while an F-16 will effortlessly maintain high Gs in a dogfight. The conditions of the flight will also affect maneuverability. In a high G fight, the F-16 is better at medium altitudes while the F-15 is better at higher altitudes.
Some aircraft excel in specific maneuvers, the F-35 for example has a maneuver called the pedal turn that produces a consistent 28 degree per second rate. The F/A-18E and F on the other hand has a menuver called the "Turbo nose down" which is also excellent.
So you can't simply say, Aircraft A is more maneuverable than aircraft B.
I think she is talking about maneuverability in general. You got good points though 👍
turbo nose down? you mean the pirouette maneuver?
Very well put sir. It's a joy to some one who also knows the different doctrines of ACM/BFM, and that the objective is to engage in a fight that fit your aircraft the best.
Indian Air force have
Rafal,
su 30 mki,
mig 29,
Mirage 2000,
Sepect Jaguar,
HAL Tejas ,
Mig 21 (out of service)
Apache,
chinuk etc,, IAF is proud of India
Meanwhile Indian people don't even have a toilet
Don't know why every military video I see there would be a comment about India or the Indian military
@@blob4743 because India is the upcoming superpower and currently at 4th position.
@@mayank4976 dude in almost every military video that is unrelated to the Indian military there will be that one overproud Indian saying "India number 1!!!" Or "where is India???" I even saw a video about a Russo ukranian war and there was this one comment saying "what about India?"
@@blob4743 so what's wrong in being overproud?
And i don't know about someone saying what about India in Russia Ukraine war video 😂
Мне интересно , что бы создали ребята из России и США если бы работали вместе над истребителями ?😊
Indian Air Force loves Maneuverable Aircrafts - Su-30MKI, MiG-29UPG, Rafale & Tejas 🔥
Tejas is too expensive.
@@SUNNYSTARSCOUT365 its not even operational yet lmao.
@@codzilla5077 its operational
@@leningeo5025 source?
@@codzilla5077 wikipedia
Su 30MKI 🔥 🇮🇳🔥
it's Russian fighter not Indian
@@Decki777 its only with India😂
@@travelwild1720 Its still Russian lol
@@user-pn3im5sm7k but mainly operated by india and india has most number of su 30 and mist experienced pilots of su 30 as well
Indian Air Force one of the best there is, with the huge variety of Eastern and Western fighter jets!!!!!
greetings from Serbia!!!
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Russian jets; “look at us! We can do the cobra maneuver and literally stand on our tails!”
AIM9X; “Hey look! That Russian jet doing the cobra maneuver is a slow, fat target with flaming hot exhaust that my seeker head cannot possibly miss. In the olden days we called those sitting ducks.”
Ancora non hanno dimostrato nulla questi prodigi della tecnologia stealth,gli f22 li abbiam visti operativi in qualche produzione marvel,o probabilmente avranno bombardato dei beduini e pecorai del deserto fermi all'età della pietra
f22/f35: hey look at me, i can do the same :D
hipersonic missile or archers: heyyy, how u doing buddy, come here, let me merge with your fuselage
Thanks for air force video
How many Su 57 actually exist? Raptorbait
The ability of the plane is deserves respect, and so does the the pilot....
How do you know the su 57 is the best when we know nothing about it and there is not even 20 in the world
Su 30 mki indian air force 🔥
Even Rafale & Mig 29 👍
Literally on 🔥. One just crashed this year. Crashes almost annually. Only the Indian variant crashes this often in peactime.
10/10 vid for me
How much maneuverability do u want ?
Russia: "YES!"
Since topgun sukhoi fighter series has been my favourite warplane and since i bought dcs i always pick it.
I thought the Gripen was in the top 5 at least, I was sad to hear that it's only in the top 10
Extremely underrated fighter aircraft. And that’s not taking into consideration that’s it’s cheaper that all of these aircraft. Def best fighter for your dollar.
It's the only single engine aircraft in the list, kinda says something atleast.
considering that su 35, 30, 27 and mig 29, 35 are basically the same platforms, you could adjust the list as top 7.. so its in the top 7
Yes. Top3 if we consider Red Flags results
@@QuicSi1verfor a non expert eye migs and sukhoi look similar but they are totally different
Nice
First time seeing a video who says the content of the video in its thumbnail and without click baiting u
u.s. airforce philosophy in air superiority avoids dog fighting...it prefers bvr.
meanwhile, the u.s. navy is concerned about pronouns that will not offend its crew members.
🤣🤣🤣
russians also have BVR ever heard about it?
Of course our Dassault Rafale is in the list
Not a lot of people know that a Dassault Rafale beat a F-22 Raptor in a dogfight "training" in the past
does not mean it is better
@@tape6388 Certainly is one of the few jets that is able to shoot USA's best fighter.
@@justmrcrow ?
@@tape6388 F-22
Now time to try them out in DCS :D
It is NOT the size of the dog in the fight; but the size of the fight in the dog!
But maneuverability can't save you from proximity fuse equipped modern fox 2 missiles like AIM 9X
The United States has long lagged behind Russia in any area of rocket technology.
@@birchwot6979 what an idiot missiles aren't rockets dummy missiles are mach 4 plus speeds and have long ranges and are very accurate and US has been making the most accurate and precise missiles like AIM 120 Amraam and Aim 54 phoenix
stay away from WEZ then you can
@@imza5535 ain't that as easy as it sounds so don't be a dummy in a fox 2 fight F 15 can easily kill an flanker
@@diecastworld7962 of course it's not easy I'm no pilot. But can't rule out possibility that eagle can be beaten.
since the su-57 dose not leave the hanger lets say it out of the picture
This video was launched before Top Gun Maverick 😅😅😅😅
6 out of 10.
Good for desktop...
I'll take the eagle and the falcon any day
The su57 give me a break who ever made this video needs to do some serious research, the su57 they have only built 21 and 10 are on test the other 11 are serial, thet are having problems with the saturn engins.
f16: i will rate the shit out of any of these jets
F16 từng bị đánh bại bởi máy bay MiG 21 trong một cuộc tập trận ở Ấn Độ 😂😂😂
Thats actually true, in a turn rate on the deck he can smoked the hell out of them
First it has to fool the enemy into a rate fight, second I think Mig 29 can also rate fight.
@@tetraxis3011 mig-29 can, but not as good as the f-16
@@tetraxis3011 exactly
Eurofighter Typhoon at 7? You're nuts! Nothing short of F-22 and maybe Su-57 could out-dogfight a Typhoon! No other plane can maintain as much air speed in tight turns as a Typhoon, nor can any other plane, and especially pilot, conduct 9G maneuvers for as long as with the Typhoon.
Also, even though the Su-57 is quite good, there are only a handful in existence, and unlikely to be more in the future, so not a real contender.
Furthermore, Typhoon has the Meteor missile for long range interception which is a great advantage (even though not really for dogfighting).
you are wrong. Russia has not been able to make trust vectoring engines work reliably and as such they are not using them in front line combat aircraft. second, stop claiming that doing the cobra is so hard. the move Maverik did in Top gun was the cobra. the first aircraft to do it was the antique SAAB 35 Draken. almost every modern fighter can do it. even many gen 3 fighters were capable. we don't do it very often because of the stress on the airframe.
Gripen should be higher up as it can go up to 13 gs
Let me correct you,,, fighter jet with a delta wing are not manueverable..
First intelligent comment that I read under this video
the only reason why the su 57 is no 1 is because everyone saw it do that maneuver in top gun maverick and can't get over it, and all of this is off Wikipedia or just their own assumption. the gripen CANNOT do a cobra.
Kobru zvládne aj stará F-16. SU-57 je číslom jeden preto, že je v ňom možné vypnúť systémy FBW, kým v amerických lietadlách to kvôli ochrane lietadla a pilota umožnené nie je. Tá manévroveteľnosť je v boji absolútne nepodstatná, ke´dže toto sú lietadlá irčené na boj mimo pole viditeľnosti pilota. Rozhodujú tu stealth vlastnosti , kde SU-57 patrí do 4+ generácie a nie do 5.generácie kvôli absencii RAM náterov. Te boli tak drahé, že rusi od nich upustili, pretože inak by si nemohli dovoliť ani tých 7 kusov ktoré vyrobili a nasadili do armády. Mimochodom kvôli cene zredukovali počet plánovaného počtu SU57 z 350 na 76 kusov
Who could shoot first from farthest without getting detected and targeted?
f-22
Стелс технологии через несколько лет не будут иметь значения. В России разрабатывают радиофотонный радар для Су-57, 75 и МиГ 41.
@@user-rr4md8ft5p that´s russian propaganda because they can´t develop stealthy planes while f35 can fly over moscow
I mean, I didn't see the top 2 fighters turn at a tighter radius than the F-22, just saying. You can figure it out on paper, but if they can't physically do it, they can't do it. I have a feeling the control surfaces of these aircraft aren't up to the task, stress-wise.
the truth is all of this expensive toys will turn tail when confronted by a capable anti aircraft weapons 😂
Ever heard of chaff and flares?
i would say that the su-30 comes 3 and the raptor 4th but more or less on the others its kinda an accurate list
The raptor doesn't need to dogfight...
@@Blulight-19183_ yeah cause its ment to fight of baloons
@@son9012 says the guy who can't even spell balloon correctly. With that logic, I can call you useless since you haven't done anything useful *yet*
@@Blulight-19183_didnt know spelling one word wrong from a foreign language makes someone useless. welp spelling bal(l)oon wrong doesnt change the fact that the f-22 only shoots bal(l)oons of the sky
@@son9012 Your deeds do not determine your potential. The raptor has far more potential than shooting balloons.
How can Su have 3 entries on this list?
It’s literally the same airframe each time.
There’s no difference between them other than a few minute details.
27,30,33,35 all the same Su
I wonder if any Russian jet could actually compete with
F15? Well over 100 wins, no losses is air combat!
You people are not very smart or thorough.
Oh, by the all F15 kills have been against Russian built jets
Yeah.. specially on Operation Dessert Storm againts Mig29 and Foxbat.
Most f 15 kills are mostly just outdated aircraft so ofc it look like f 15 has 100 wins but most of the f 15 it fight is very outdated fighters
well depends cause to see it simply the F-15 is kind of a missile truck and 2-3 elements of F-15 can easily attack and defend against any russian jet in BVR and lets not take in dogfights as they are the last thing to happen in combat todays era dogfights are almost negated by long range BVR missiles
You lie. Russian export planes shot down many F-15. By the way. F-15 has never faces its real counterpart - Su-27. Though, indians on Su-30 won F-15 and f-18 and F-16 in drill combats with ration 8 to 1. Recently Russian Su-27 chased away F-15 from liner.Give me details about at least 5 victories of F-15, when, where it happened, what were opposite sources.
Lies about "100 victores" is invention of american propaganda with no any proves.
What else are they going to shoot? Friendlies?
bro what's the " Raphael ", it's Rafale
I would argue Rafale (and not Rafael how can you talk about jet without knowing that ?) won against the F-22 and in a 1v1 (score : Draw = 6, Rafale = 1, F-22 = 0) in the UAE and won in a 1v2 and 2v4 against EFT
I read something about the typhoon the other day.. the American's top brass said nothing can compete with it agility.. not even there f22
I’m gonna take a guess that you saw top gun
The Su-57 on has that thrust to weight ratio with the engines designed for it which don’t exist yet. It has to use the engines of the SU-35 which are under powered in that big ass jet. It does really matter since it’s only built to show off a air shows with a grand total of 5 built and none on the way
You info is outdated, buddy ;)
@@dimchotodorov3294 more like 11, not much of a change
I'm curious about the delta wings on European fighters. Why do they seem to only use them and why do US fighters never use them? What are the advantages/disadvantage and is there some difference in tactics and doctrine that dictate the different choices?
delta wings are only good at supersonic flights because they make less lift than other wing designs, and US fighter jets are pretty heavy because of their equipment and stuff so delta wings are not a choice
@@gigacat1055 thank you!
@@Captain_Kickass-l1f no problem
UD did have some delta wing fighters back in the late 50s and 60s, the F-102 and F-106
Gripen is not called, gri P E N, its a long i, and a hard G and short "pen". GrrrIiiiiiipen... sounds so much better in swedish, meaning, like hippogryph or falcon.
LOL the cobra is a useless maneuver.
If you have been made a bit of real research not eating propaganda, you have been found out that Eurofighter is way beyond everithing on that list in maneuvrability. Actually all of the delta wing designs are way way superior to the other on maneuvrability terms...
US Navy Carrier Groups, F-35B... What's the use of airplanes when the skies are closed and carrier groups are just a big target for Zircons.
4:05.... um.... pretty sure that pilot ejected lol
she prob watched top gun maverick
Where is 10 generation jf 17 thunder that can maneuver upto moon 😅
No mention of the F-15 ?
100+ kills to zero. Flown against the best the Soviets had, the result was still a turkeyshoot.
Maybe 3 of those kills where in dogfights
@@aquilescastro1335 The F-15 has at least 104 confirmed air to air kills. The majority of them with the IAF starting in 1979 against the Syrian Air Force Soviet supplied Migs.
No maybe about it.
F22 is the best easily could win over su57 l bozo ass plane
Sure u r 100% right. Top gun maverick right?
Where is the F-16 block 70 Viper???
Ok, most of this is moot as Russia is broke, they have no money and have defaulted on their international loans. You can't build planes with wishes and rainbows. They have 6 operational SU-57's and will not build anymore until these sanctions are lifted. Now to the planes they actually have...decreasing by the minute and not because of Ukraine, but because of lack of spare parts. Currently at least 60% of all Russian aircraft are on the ground and useless as they do not have parts necessary to repair (see sanctions above). Russia is about as threating militarily (conventional forces) as North Korea, if they are lucky. The only threat Russia is to us and the rest of the world is with their nukes which is why Vlad keeps bringing that up. If their military was anything but an anemic paper tiger they would have easily taken Ukraine in a matter of weeks, not including the potential insurgency which would likely follow.
Rafale IS better than typhoon .sofake informations....
this is kinda outdated typhoon tranche4 has upgraded their engines
I would put the f18 over half of these jets, closest thing to vector thrust without having vector thrust
yes the F-18 would be an equal opponent to the typhoon and Mig-29/35 i really dont understand why its not in the list
The f-18 has really bad post stall performance.
@@tlndblood8776 I highly suggest you watch some of the Swiss demos from the C/D legacy models to see for yourself, I have never seen half the planes on this list fly like that and that's just because of a software upgrade. It has incredible nose authority at low speeds/high angles of attack that is comparable to something with vector thrust. There's a reason why the HARV program chose the f18 first
Where’s the J20 ?
Seen all these jets over the years, saw the SU-57 at MAKS and maybe the Russians were being a bit cagey with it, but the SU-35 was absolutely phenomenal and won the day hands down!!
SU30MKI india🇮🇳 to SU30MKM malaysia🇲🇾
Already spoiled from the thumbnail.
true
There is only 3 - Yes THREE documented SU57's. They don't count. 🤣
Мы говорим о характеристиках, не о численности выпущенных образцов.
Wow
Oh, finally something russian is the best in something! Of course:" It's not the plane, it's the Holywood!"
🤣🤣
U miss Chinese j16 jet
Тор Gun 2 Cobra
good listing👍
i thought F22 will be the 1st
If you wish it so hard write to the video creator and ask him to flip positions😂
Yeah
In today's jet age dogfight, it's very clear that the cobra maneuver can easily be executed primarily by aerobatic biplanes of WW1 type built design performing below 95 knots respectively, An F22 going up against an SU57 both jets would exceed speed's of 120+ knots upwards 5g's to 7g's+. It true to say rhat its absolutely a sitting duck waste maneuver.
Sounds like an unbiased (?) review strangely coming from Russian point of view?
How does the su57 have a better thrust to weight ratio than the f22? I suppose it might be really light. It looks really big though
better engines
@@tedobg3599 didn't they have a lot of trouble with true engines? I know they had to borrow su35 engines for a long time. Its easy to claim whatever you want when no one will ever see your product.
a year late but if i remember correctly it is really light despite having a fairly large footprint. from a front on view you can see its very flat
Those numbers can be deceiving. The video failed to specify what fuel load the twr stats are based on. Sukhois in particular are very large aircraft, so when fully fueled have dramatically different twr numbers compared to a smaller and lighter aircraft like the f22.
Again, great narration. Love that accent..
Su35 is better than su57
Ma Quando mai il Su-57 è solo un cartonato da esposizione
Eurofighter isn't as agile as Rafale.
The Rafales won a dogfight against RAF's EFs with the score of 7 to 1 !! (check in internet)
this list isn't very good
Buzz always adds russian weapons to the top, but every time we see that modern russian weapons cannot even withstand old nato weapons on the battlefields. I've been following for years, the best russian defense industry propaganda channel after combat approved
RPG 7 is very old but it still can defeat M1A2 or Leopard 2 or Mekava MK4. Or Strela can shoot down UH 60 which is a very modern helicopter.
@JK JK2 All of the events you mentioned are specific examples, and the reason for them was explained and corrected by America. Yes, the Russians did these with old Soviet weapons, but what do you have now? Again, old soviet weapons. Do they have a weapon that has been modernly manufactured and field-proven in the last 30 years? We saw what happened to the ads they trusted most in Libya, Syria, Karabakh and Ukraine. We also saw how much deviation ballistic and cruise missiles hit targets. What's left?
@@SUNNYSTARSCOUT365 Yes, strela can do that but I’m sure rpg 7 can’t
No no brother, US weapons are better than the Russian ones most of the times. But the reason why Russians are on the top here is because of the difference in the fighting doctrine of these 2 countries. US believes that dogfighting is a thing of the past and invests more in Stealth and Beyond Visual Range (BVR) weapons but Russians still put emphasis on dogfighting and invest in the manoeuvrability of the planes, which is why Russian planes are the most manoeuvrable in the world.
@JK JK2 That's not mentioning Indian MiG-21s shooting down Pakistani F-16. Mig-21 man... One of those has been standing as a monument in a park near my home since forever, it was there before I was born. It is all rusty now and I'm in my mid-30s - and those are still shooting down F-16s in 2019.
They say F 22 can detect and shoot first
Russians: *Sun tzu art of Evading missiles with Supermaneurability and Built in Countermeasures*
lmfao you dont evade missiles with supermaneurability.
No matter how maneuverable the planes are they're not as maneuverable as the missile.
The missile will out maneuver you 100% of the time.
That’s how ac7 works dawg 💀💀💀
@@f18murderhornet Well you are lying, the only maneuverable missile is the AIM 9 X, the others are like darts.
@@tetraxis3011 No im not, the amraam and r77 are both capable of pulling upwards of 30gs (although not as capable as the aim9x, which is capable of 60gs).
the missile WILL (as long as it has enough energy) out turn you no matter what in its terminal phase. pulling a cobra or watever the russian fighters do wont help. Pulling a cobra while the missile is in its boost phase also wont help. You'll loose all your energy and fall out of the sky while the missile will barely have to make a turn, loosing little to no energy.
Only way to defeat a missile is by being fast, cranking and notching, forcing the missile to make turns bleeding its energy.
How do you know the Su 57 is not stealthy as F 22; as most of the technical parameters of Su 57 are closely guarded secret. Su 35 by far is the best maneuverable jet by performance and visuals certified by many professionals across the world based on actual usage.
Su 57 has not tested by many and outside Russia and the true characteristics are closely guarded. The fact that no one noticed their presence in Syria and Ukraine until it was officially announced talks volume about its stealth capabilities. The same cannot be said about F 22 though as it has been spotted on many occasions by Russian radars.
Because the Su-57 has exposed bolts on its exterior and giant IRST sticking out of it’s nose. The Su-57 is just a pseudo stealth jet. It has an RCS similar to that of the Super Hornet
And are of f22 and f32...ppl think this kind of data will be revield on some public act bill or something....who measured rcs of the jets!??? Claiming f22 has rcs of 1 micro meter(dont have greek letter to write it correctly) is apsurde! Every ww2 radar can "see" every jet ever produced
@@tylerclayton6081 and who told you exposed bolts increase RCS.
with completely hidden bolts F22 & f35 is still highly visible on old S 300 radar. Now imagine the capability of S 400 & S 500.
that explains all what you hear about RCS is a fancy. In real world RCS has no applicability with high tech radar.
@@tylerclayton6081you have replied to a question nobody asked. The question was another
how about J-10B，J-20 and su-33 ?
J-20 weakness engine can’t agility…
Su 57 felony
The following is interesting: some say about the SU-57 that it is not stealth enough. OK. Q: Has anyone seen him? Have you even met him? On the other hand, in Syria, even the SU-35s were the first to see the F-22s and went behind them. After that, the F-22 and F-35 pilots were forbidden to be near the SU-35 flight area. Of course, everyone praises their technique, but the facts are stubborn things, this is not Hollywood.
Being a 5th generation is not possible only with design. The Su-57's avionics, engine footprint and noise pollution make it even 4.5+ generations away. What is this tumbling pigeon that can get rid of a rafaele with Aesa and a meteor by maneuvering? I don't even compare it to the F-22 and F-35
@@yusufyaras9423 You're talking fantasies, I'm talking facts. How it really was. With the help of the latest Russian sensors, all "super-stealth" aircraft glow on the radar like Christmas trees. In a real battle, stealth will no longer help, but super-maneuverability will help. Don't tell me stories, you make me laugh at your ignorance😁
just look at the shapes that the su57 is composed of, not hard to tell that its gonna look pretty fat on radar 💀
@@MrRoninGT We don't see proof ofthis and the Russians would not bea ble to make sensors without western microchips. No, they cannot make their own, and neither can China.
@@MrRoninGT Well bro. Tell this to the Su-57 pilots, who will be hit by a missile from 100 kilometers away by an aircraft that they cannot see on the radar screen, to continue preparing themselves for the dogfight they will never experience, and to trust this maneuver.
They fail to mention that russia has less than 20 su 57s built much less combat ready
F22 second not third
F22 only has 2D thurst, not like Su 35 or Su 57 which have 3D
@@SUNNYSTARSCOUT365 i know but the Overall shape of the airframe is better than the SU-35 so it still beats him
Real F-22 capability kills the pilot and would be beyond top 10 rankings, so you can rank it however you want.
@@SUNNYSTARSCOUT365he wishes so hard F22 was second, don't tell him santa claus doesn't exist