Can you RECOVER from Autism?
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2018
- Dr. Doreen Granpeesheh, founder/CEO of the Center for Autism and Related Disorders, renowned clinical psychologist, and Autism researcher, gives her evidenced-based opinion on whether recovery from Autism is possible.
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thank you so much Dr Doreen.so informative.God bless you for giving us hope as parents dealing with autism.
She is literally a con artist praying on people's hopes and dreams
Nothing is impossible to God
Amen
Yes I agree 💯
Healing amputees apparently is impossible to this so called God. I could go on and on with how stupid that verse is about all things possible with this non existent God.
Dr. Doreen is awesome. I just wish her employees at Card are like her
She is a con artist
Amazing! Thank you for sharing with us.
Its 100 fake
YES!!!!!!!!!! Dr. Doreen is awesome! You almost made me cry! This is what I've been trying to tell my IEP team for the longest time. Yes, Shanon Please do more segments on recovery! !!!
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This is a scam. No one recovers from autism.
@@SuperG1208 this lady is a con artist selling snake oil. Please report her
Dr Doreen you are amazing.
I'm about five years late on my comment ;-) There are guys, in a similar fashion, and I know they're out there, like me, who spend years w/o proper therapy who get help, but end up with a plateau once they get to a certain point. You either feel ignored by friends and family, or you stick out like a sore thumb, because you're not getting anywhere in your developmental skills. The hardest part of this kind of an autistic guy is that people can, and they will walk over you, if you don't stand up for yourself.
This is worth bringing up, because the description I just gave very much mirrors the bulk of my life so far. As an adult, it's extremely frustrating. I am currently switching counselors, but not for the reasons listed, but because I can get charge free counseling from the church I've been going to. My prayer life has changed significantly since the beginning of the year, (2023) but yes, I believe in recovery, but the biggest challenge right now is interacting with the social functions because my counselor told me that I need to think about finding a girlfriend. Five to ten years ago, I would've freaked out over this challenge, but thankfully this is something I've been working on.....
Thank you for sharing. Your words are important. I am sorry for the hard times, but I glad things are turning around for you.
Stem cell, Giostar, advancells and swiss medica seem real?
So. What does your intense therapy entail?
That is what's of most importance here.
Whst aspect of your therapy was most beneficial and how does one access this programme?
It involves taking all your money cuz this is a scam
@@favourjohn312 scammer
We had CARD services for my 3 year old for over a year and the therapist were not very good we left after about over a year with out seeing a any improvement.
Rosie, I am so sorry to hear that. As you may know Dr. Granpeesheh sold CARD in 2018 and is no longer involved with the company. Autism Live is also no longer affiliated with CARD. I hope that you have found a provider that is helping you.
Morning I'm desperately in need of recovery centre in S.A especially Johannesburg area
STAR ACADEMY
I find the computer analogy quite fitting, although I choose Windows for NT and Linux for autistic when I use it. In my own experience, my coping mechanisms included installing (learning) this other operating system (Windows) run on a virtual machine on top of my native Linux. It runs the software, BUT it does have a cost, it's computationally expensive, or intensive. By all means believe in the potential for kids on the spectrum to grow and achieve great things, in many cases amazing things. But recovery is a poor choice of words, a simulation even if running at 100% compatibility, is still a simulation.
Yes your words are magic and InshaAllah I will soon experience this magic with my kid
InshaAllah
🙏
How old is your son and what are you doing to help him with his issues .
In sha Allah. How are things now?
I can't " recover" from Asperger's because I didn't just contract it out of the blue-- I was born with it, in the sixties, and every experience I have had since has been colored by it in at least one way. I would gladly accept some miracle treatment that would render me just a high strung, wordy bright normal older woman, because I hate this shit. It has been nothing but misery.
You sound like this guy on reddit.com and user name is 6138. And here’s the question that asked and he commented www.reddit.com/r/aspergers/comments/3e6102/i_have_an_adult_son_with_aspergers_who_is_still/. He says his Aspergers is hell everyday is a new he’ll as do I. It’s so uncomfortable as you know. He says he does not know how to drive while I’m learning about the driver tests. He didn’t social and even says he doesn’t even know how to. Sad reality you can’t social and friends with everyone works, family lives, ect. But at least I can watch black and white film of of making a friends. I leaving out the graphics as that where his at while I’m fighting tooth and to the nail before I feel his graphics.
Did you complete any ABA therapy programs ??? Sorry you are suffering :(
Probably vaccine damage. Wishing the best for you
@@Cookiefac nonsense. Stop lying
Unfortunately some do suddenly get autism after an event and can no longer communicate and in a constant state of frustration aggression discomfort pain and so frustrated they lost the ability to communicate and do the simple things they could do before :(
I have autism
May God bless you both. I cried aloud watching you saying those words with so much conviction. It was as though God came up to me with a suggestion. I am from India and am working as a judicial magistrate. I have one year of child care leave to account. There are no professionals here that can offer 40 hrs of therapy. And if they do it will be double my salary. Please tell me can I learn ABA online by myself. Please do reply.
www.ibehavioraltraining.com You can train yourself and a team!
Look into Kerri Rivera here on UA-cam. her protocol has recovered over 500. There is hope.
I am from India too, my child is much better now, where do you stay?
@@aparnashukla3231 Hello, I know this is an older thread but could you kindly share what helped your child?
@@aparnashukla3231 How did you help your child...My child is mild Autistic..He is 2.7 years old.
Sorry my Dear Doreen, the seminal 1987 study proved to be entirely flawed. There was NOT a "47% recovery." Subsequently, when Tristram Smith did a replicated a similar corrective trial, MEANING a fully blind randomized control study. believe 2001 with proper assignment to treatment and control groups among other factors, that was revised downward, as it evinced a "13% recovery." More significantly, however, and I am a therapist in the field for 18 years, is that many children are misdiagnosed to begin with. For example, constitutional factors such as affect sensory modulation processing differences across various domains where the severity of a moderate diagnosis of ASD, let alone in many, cases an ASD diagnosis warranted at all or shall we say is poorly misunderstood to begin, and used with such a broad brush as to lose all meaning, as the majority of clinicians continue to egregiously fail to look at a more granular level. Also, there is no such thing as "typical." We are beginning to think in the field in terms of human neurodiversity rather than a single standard of what "normal" or "typical" looks like. Having said that we still of course address challenges that inhibit or interfere daily social-emotional communicating and relating - from the perspective of that individual.
When we begin to look from a polyvagal and bio-psycho-social perspective (e.g., interpersonal neurobiology and a Relationship based approach) we begin to evince a much more heterogeneous neurodiversified picture of each individual child and their individual strengths and challenges along with stressors, anxieties, endocrine factors, that constitutes a larger and more correct developmental understanding of social-emotional engagement. It is, in fact, social-emotional (affective) engagement and or the inhibitory stress factors of fight,flight or immobilization/shut down responses that determines EMOTIONAL INTELLIGENCE. It is warm pleasurable social emotional engagement around the child's natural affective processes rather than training a child's dopamine system (i.e., "replacement behaviors") to more adapatively "functionally script" that represents the clinically significant and clinically meaningful foundation for more complex ideation and social-pragmatic language.
The great misnomer and egregious claims of ABA methodologies of "successful recovery rates" is brilliantly distorted, as its paradigm fails to address (or inadequately addresses) the core challenges associated with ASD which includes spontaneous and Integrated relating, thinking and communicating. Furthermore, I have seen over many years ABA methodologies regress (or otherwise consistently inhibit a greater breadth) of a child's overall Functional-Emotional Developmental capacities. The reason why ABA methodologies can appear to the unsuspected as so smashingly successful (and this is not talked about one-tenth as much it should) is because of a little word called, "neuroplasticity." To train a child's dopamine system to respond with what appears as more "adaptive functioning" and improved "executive functioning" through the majority of ABA methodologies is to train the child's surface behaviors to acquiesce to new "functionally scripted adaptive response-behaviors" and leave unaddressed or blithely inadequately addressed, the underlying core challenges of authentic spontaneous nuanced back and forth social-pragmatic language (e.g., affect facial processing subtle cues, prosodic elements of vocalization/speech which comprises 93% of language).
Speak English and got to the point. Christ. I'm an engineer. If I were to leave a detailed engineering type response, you wouldn't have the slightly clue of what I was talking about.
@@hondablaster can I msg you?
@@Reece431 If you have a specific question (questions), I'd be more than happy to answer. Basically, ABA is exraordinarily misleading, not at all "scientific" (i.e., Developmental Neuroscience) , successful in its marketing for decades and, therefore, very persuasive! However, in reality what it does is address the child's "surface behaviors" (i.e., focuses on adult directed memorized responses, behaviors and tasks ) and does NOT. address the core (and earlier) primary challenges and processes of Development, which are spontaneous relating, engaging . ABA methodologies trains, conditions, sets of memorized, so-called, "Correct or appropriate responses."
@Kagan Roy Not only was it inflated,, or rather simply wrong. They know it was and to this day continue to tout that number. When a similar study was replicated around 2000, by protege of Lovaas, Trsitram Smith, it turned out to be 13%. Original trial did not have randomized assignment to a treatment and control group, among other things. Furthermore, ABA methodologies measure not somewhat but entirely focus upon "skill sets" vis a vis surface discrete to generalzied memorizetion and not the core primary functional emotional developmental capacities, which entail spontaneous relating, engage and communications; that is, sponatneous back and forth affect (emotional) reciprocal dyadic (two-way) engagemnt with others, with expanded ideation in the context of social-pragmatic communication. They do not address the earlier subcortical foundations of sponatneous emotional relating and engatgement that these entail and are unequivocally the core primary challenges associated with ASD and related challenges. For example, ua-cam.com/video/4TRL1TMwsuA/v-deo.html
@@Neilgs Where's the evidence that such methods you mentioned are effective across board-more effective than ABA? The fact of the matter is that ABA simply stands for Applied Behavior Analysis. Applied sciences are constantly evolving and are very integrative/comprehensive, and that's why ABA is used by most providers today: because there's constant change for the better in science, and that's the goal in ABA. The idea that "ABA is just conditioning" is absolutely false, and I'm shocked to hear this from an ABA provider. The field has grown over time, and we now focus on generalization and motivation so that our clients don't just rote respond-not to mention that we use operant conditioning rather than classical conditioning. In other words, we use many methods to prevent memorization and to ensure motivation. We want genuine learning to occur-motivated learning-and I see that happening when I work with my clients. One of the most important and difficult part of my job is to establish motivation to learn, yet I do it every day. In fact, I have one client who just walks over to the table and waits for me to run a program with her once she is satiated with playing even though she's very new to ABA. I often ask her, "Are you ready?" and she says either yes or no (not taught). It's just that she goes to school and realizes she comes to see me to learn. She laughs and really enjoys the social praise I give her, and that's great. I mean, I've had a client before who hated social praise, so I never praised him. I meet clients where they are at, and that's what ABA is all about. We learn what the client likes and dislikes and focus on their likes, using NET or embedded DTT very often to generalize learning opportunities. ABA is no longer the repeat-only method many people think it is, and if that's what you've been doing for the past eighteen years, then that's on you, not the field. We've come a long way, for we teach clients to identify emotions, develop coping skills, vocalize needs and wants, and engage in basic and advanced play (starting with parallel play and moving onto interactive, social, symbolic, etc.). How do we know said clients aren't rote responding as you seem to claim? Generalization. Our parents and teachers tell us they are utilizing their taught skills outside of the clinic in novel situations that they have never been exposed to. Our goal as providers should be to implement new technologies and research to ensure high quality services. This is what functionality is all about, so yes, we very much care about functional learning.
Moreover, it's not a novel idea that children use play to develop skills; even animals develop skills through play, and that's why NET/embadded DTT and reinforcement are so important. Children have a say in what they want to play with during ABA therapy and thus we introduce learning opportunities during play. In addition to that, we want children to succeed in a structured environment such as school, so working at a table and then accessing reinforcement is a great way to teach delayed gratification, patience, and many other useful skills.
The fact of the matter is that EVERYONE is conditioned, not just autistic kids. It's a natural and biological process. Random stimuli occur all around us that make us respond a certain way every time. It's very narrow-minded to think that conditioning is some sort of lab experiment that we're just throwing into ABA. In fact, the ABCs of ABA occur every day, and everyone utilizes them without knowing the technical terms. It's a natural occurring process. It's just that, in ABA, we aim to use the most effective modifications to ensure the best possible learning (for example, we've rarely ever used punishers and are extremely careful and hesitant to use them most of the time). Thus yes, operant conditioning is used, but it isn't something that was created randomly; it was *discovered*. Science is about discovery and truth. Nothing more and nothing less.
I'm a neuroscience + ABA student. I'm currently an RBT who plans on getting a master's in ABA and a PhD in clinical psychology with a concentration in neuroscience. I comprehended everything you stated, so you need to cite references that show consistency in your claims. I need references to scholarly articles that show that there is something more ethical and effective than ABA (keep in mind ABA incorporates a variety of methods such as play therapy, the VB approach, etc.). And I don't want just one or two experiments. I want multiple studies showing the same results, because that's what science is also about: consistency.
As for neuroplasticity, it is a miracle that we have discovered this phenomenon. It gives us hope and shows us that ALL people can receive help and we can use behavior to create changes in the brain. From my experience, neuroscientists absolutely love neuroplasticity, so it's very bizarre to me that you are viewing this amazing phenomen so negatively. It is great news that the brain can change as it is truly what makes us live-not alive but live. Now I do wish we can learn about the neural activity that goes on during ABA so we know when we are pushing our clients too hard, but again, we aim for motivated learning today, so clients are taught to ask for breaks, more time to play, and other related things to let us know they aren't ready for any sort of therapist-led learning just yet. There's a lot more to learn about the affects of ABA on the brain, and I'm willing to read any study, but the idea that neuroplasticity is not seemingly described miraculously is beyond me.
Can you bring your son pls Dr Doreen 🙏
Can a psychiatrist or a psychologist cure a pandemic "no" it's ridiculous. They're wasting the parents precious time and whatever is causing the problem is not getting treatment because they are wasting the parents time. It's okay to do learning exercises but there has to be treatment for the causal problem.
lassus prophetam exactly
It’s so hard to find good ABA therapists- 😢
Yes, but its so worth it when you do find them.
@@AutismLiveABA is abuse. All ABA did to me was traumatize me and destroy my trust in society, especially doctors and therapists.
IMO Some can recover it really depends on your needs and ability
That is so wrong. Some learn to live with it and mask when they're outside but we never recover. I can function very well on my own. I've lived on my own a couple years so I should know. But I still do have autism and it will never go away. My neural pathways will always be different than those of a neurotypical person. So there's no healing, there's just learning to live with it
My son is about 90% recovered!!! Biomed/homeopathy & therapy! God is good! Dr. Doreen, you’re a gift from God, THANK YOU ❤️ Thank you for spreading hope & thank you for spreading TRUTH! God bless you in abundance.
Where is dr
Can you pls contact me ? gangi.senanayaka@gmail.com
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My daughter didn't speak until 4year old she still working on it aba speech and school are big help sometimes is too much but it's really worth it
How long it took him to recover at that %?
You don't recover for it you adapt to it
Temple Grandin STILL sees visually, she hasn't changed. Maybe I if you try hard enough you can recover from being normal, typical and see the beauty of diversity. Develop their unique talents and visions. It's. Not "exactly" like anything; unlimited diversity. There is no way you can comprehend with your myopic vision of normal.
Seriously. I'm a "recovered autistic" by their definition and nothing about me has fundamentally changed. I just developed an ability to mask and a toxic tendency to deny who I was.
How many patients we know autism now is not genetic or behavioral because there's an epidemic and pandemic actually so how many children with the pandemic disease or toxicity are suffering because they're not getting treatment because you are saying that they be as the solution ABA is helpful but it's obviously not Behavioral or genetic because that cannot be in pandemic at least this is what Alex Aiden Grey says and I agree totally.
Jane lane The brain isn’t “damaged”, it’s just wired differently.
It is genetic. But you'd have to see that. In my family it's very much hereditary. I got it from my dad, he got it from his dad and so on. Also on my mother's side there's signs of autism. She doesn't have it, but it does run in her family
You haven't learned anything new in 20 years.
Maybe you haven't leaned anything in really any years and that, or should I say.... your very stupid comment actually makes NO SENSE!
Respect her atleast you just can leave if you don't want hear
I want a CURE.
Me too I'm working on a full recovery.
@@amandaweiss9664 oh you'll get better. I commented when I was going through a lot of trauma and PTSD. I'm much better now and feel pretty much normal.
@shahjmir Oh nice! So I'm recovering now, I hope.
I was disturbed to hear Dr. Granspeesheh speak. She is negative and discouraging. Focus should be on what on how it should be done! would never go to someone like her. Disappointing to say the least.
Even the part where she stated that one of the adults that she helped when he was a kid was telling her how he used to learn, and that she helped him?
No. That's insane. You people are sick
What do you mean?
@@jonathanschaffer2594 its a scam
@@favourjohn312 scammer
No, it's not insane! You guys are being insane thinking that there is no cure. There is a cure, it's curable.
Autism is caused by toxicity, not purely genetic.