I've spent a little bit of time researching this cracking issue. From what I can tell it's caused by soaking the stone. These are ceramic stones you should never soak a ceramic stone. There's a reason why they're called Splash and Go.I think most people don't understand or haven't been told or are going by what their Grandfather said when it comes to soaking a stone. But these new Stones most of which are ceramic do not need to be soaked. A very easy way to tell if you need to soak a stone or not is to Splash it when it's dry watch how quickly the water is absorbed. If the water is absorbed like you splashed a thirsty sponge "immediately" then you should soak it. If you splash the stone and the water sit on the stone for more than 5 Seconds without being fully absorbed then don't soak the stone. As a matter of fact with most modern ceramic stones you should be "very" sparing with the water. Remember the water is only there to keep the Stone from loading up that's it. Only add water when the stone feels slick and stops cutting.
They're some type of aluminum oxide with a magnesia binder. The term "ceramic" refers only to the abrasive and it's a very broad and general term that doesn't really tell you much. The binder is the problem here
@@AnarchAngel1 Stones are not advertised by their binder. You are correct but you don't know the binder unless you do some research most people don't. You only know the type of grit that is being used as advertised. Again test your stone before soaking. You will ruin it if you soak a stone that should not be soaked like the "splash & Go" series. It will crack when it dries back out. Or just ignore all I've said take a chance on ruining a $70 + Stone. Whatever floats your boat.
@@triggeredmonkey3439 Did I ever advocate soaking a Chosera/Professional stone? No I didn't. They can't withstand normal drying cycles; I certainly wouldn't soak one. I know for a fact that they're magnesia bonded stones I'm not guessing. The same qualities that make them excellent performers also sacrifices the durability of a vitrified stone that doesn't need to be babied to do its job of sharpening and getting some water on it in the process. It's strange though, Shapton Pro/Ha No Kuromaku stones use the same type of binder. I have the whole line set aside the 120 and 30k...never had one crack 🤷♂️ It bothers me when I see posts like this shrugging off known issues as user error. It's not in many cases, and a lot of very experienced sharpeners will tell you the same thing. It's what allows Naniwa to keep selling a product (for a very high premium I might add) that they know is flawed. Guess how much Naniwa will help you out if you do have issues? Not at all. They'll refer you to your dealer and have one of you eat the cash instead of standing behind their products. And posts like yours just perpetuate the problem
@triggeredmonkey3439 They'll crack just from general use. There are many, many people with a lot of experience that have had these stones crack, and not from soaking. You essentially soak the surface everytime you use it anyway and that's where the cracks form 🤷♂️ A "water stone" that can't deal with some water during regular sharpening is kind of a problem IMO. It bothers me when people blame the cracking on user error alone. Sometimes that absolutely is the case, but you can also baby them and do everything correctly and end up with the same problem. I won't buy these stones because it's ridiculous to pay the money they demand and end up with a useless product
Ive been sharpen by hand for 27yrs since i was a small boy, a skill past down in my family father to son. I love Naniwa stones and have every Chosera as well as other Naniwas. I never once had a cracking issue and im on my 3rd chosera 400 and 2nd chosera 2,000grit and all of mine i buy the original on bases except the 10,000 of course. I think people do not know how to properly dry and store their stones is the problem. I also wait awhile before i judge a stones performance. Like with the chosera 5K that gets a bad rap but is perfect setbup stone for the 10k. It took about 9months of use before my chosera 5k seemed to get broken in and became one of my favorites with great tactile feel as well as feedback. Totally different from how it was new. Also like I said theres not a better set up stone for the chosera 10k than the chosera 5k. Same with a straight razor using the 5K as my set up to the 12k super stone.
Can you explain in detail how you dry your stones after each use. I have a Naniwa 1K and 3K Professional (formerly Chosera line) and want to add the 5K. I use them as recommend splash and go and after each use I dry them down completely with a clean rag and let them air dry continuously in a controlled temperature room until I grab it again. As of now I have experienced no issues with cracking on either my 1K or 3K. Was just wanting to see if you had. Similar pattern in drying your stones….thanks.
I bought a chocera 800 based on your review and I am quite happy with it. I do not soak it for a 1/2 hr, maybe a minute before use, then I just splash it. I've had no problems with cracking. I'm on softened water so it's unlikely my stone is absorbing minerals, perhaps the people who are having a problem should try distilled water.
Paul Jackson that's a good point never thought about that both of mine are cracked and I don't use distilled water I never soak them I take good care of them and they both cracked they still work just fine and I love them just wondering why Mine cracked and others don't.
Just sending my Chosera 3000 back today for replacement. It has developed a few hairline cracks in the three weeks I've had it. Only used five or six times. Never soaked but did rinse off under running water after use. Towel dried every time and air dried on the kitchen counter top. Never rough handled either. Hope the next one holds up. My best stone so I hated to send it back.
I bought a chosera 800 based on your recommendation. As soon as the return window closed, I had a diagonal crack from left to right. At this point, I had used it maybe 5 times. I never soaked it or dropped it. I do exactly what you did in your wusthof ikon classic sharpening video. Wish I could've returned it and got the cerax 1000.
@@Burrfection 3 years! Wow! Mine didn't last three months. (my amazon review with pics) (username is sergio 2 stars) www.amazon.com/product-reviews/B001TPH9CM/ref=acr_search_hist_2??ie=UTF8&filterByStar=two_star&showViewpoints=0
I would love a buffalo strop! :). I bought a chosera 3000 on your recommendation, and it has never cracked. I dry it with a towel after sharpening and I give it space and time to air-dry after that. Think that's the trick. Thank you for learning me how to sharpen on stones by the way. Best regards. :)
Thanks... one of the things may be putting away stones without letting them air out enough, and another issue may just be related to what Korin tells me: do not ever soak stones over 2000 grit i.e. you soak 2000 (if they are a soaking stone), but anything above that e.g. 3000 and up, you should treat as a splash and go, just to prevent cracking. The guys and gals at Korin have plenty of experience to back up that statement, it would seem to me.
It would depend upon the stone. My King 8000 grit requires soaking before use. It has worked well with no issues. However, I have a cheap dual sided Waterstone also. The 1000 grit soaks well without issues, but the 6000 grit looses too much material. I do not even use that side anymore.
That doesn't make sense. There are plenty of stones over 2k that absolutely need to be soaked. Very popular example - Suehiro Rika 5k. Try using that stone as a splash and go and tell me how that works out
@@EdgeMasterPro If they're Choseras they're just doing what Choseras do. You should never soak magnesia bonded stones like Choseras or Shapton Pro/Ha No Kuromaku though. Same goes for resinoid stones like Naniwa Super Stones. Vitrified stones are usually just fine to soak
Let me say this...I own the entire line of Ha No Kuromaku stones which use the same type of binder and not one of them has cracked. I own a single Chosera 1k that cracked quite quickly on me with normal use and care of a magnesia bonded stone. The cracking issue is not user error, there are a lot of experienced sharpeners that experience it. People are asking about it because it's a problem with the stones, people don't want to spend that much money on something that will inevitably crack. I drew the line right there on Chosera and Naniwa in general, which really sucks because I would like to try the 800 and 3k that everyone seems to love so much...right up until they crack on them.
too true I have some for the wicked edge, 2 x 10000 stones cracked micro cracking and the 5000 cracked, I was thinking having them bonded to something means expansion and contraction, maybe why they stopped putting them in the plastic holders free floating less stress
@@EdgeMasterPro My 1k isn't bonded to anything and the cracks occurred anyway...I think it's a fundamental problem with the binder and the higher in grit you go the more likely it is to happen
@Ve-suvius In my experience, it's the hard splash and go stones that have cracking issues. It seems the finer the stone the more likely it is IME. Haven't had any problem with my Shaptons (all of mine are Ha No Kuromaku/Pro except for a double thick Glass 500 I have) yet but you still need to go out of your way to take care of those types of stones. If you're worried about cracking issues, I would suggest sticking to traditional soaking stones. They tend to be a little softer, some people like softer stones and some people don't. I have Suehiro stones that are quite old that I've never had a problem with. Mostly the old school line like the Ouga 3k and Rika 5k. Haven't heard of many problems with the Cerax stones either. Suehiro are usually very solid choices. Only one I've used that I don't like; well I hate it actually; is the Cerax 320. Stay away from that stone. The Debados I don't have experience with, but again those are splash and go so I would be less confident in those. Suehiros also tend to be excellent cutting stones that are very fast. Don't overlook King stones either, they're tried and true and I'm not sure I've ever seen one of the Deluxe 800/1000/1200 crack. Some people turn their nose up at Kings but I own dozens of stones and I really enjoy them. The King Deluxe 300 is much harder and a splash and go and those can and arguably will crack although that is one excellent stone in every other way; especially for the price like all Kings. Vitrified stones in general tend to be very resilient, it's the magnesia bonded stones that are the champs when it comes to cracking. I won't even consider buying Naniwa Pro stones, I've also heard of issues with the Super Stones but not with cracking, more with warping. I've boycotted Naniwa so I can't tell you. The only Naniwa I broke my rule for is the Aotoshi (green brick of joy). That thing is a magic bullet for regular stainless kitchen knives. It doesn't do well with hard, high carbide steels though. Can I ask what type of knives you regularly work with? I could probably give you better recommendations if I knew what you were working with. But yeah, in short, soaking stones are the way to avoid the cracking issue. It really bothers me when guys like Ryky try to blame Naniwa Pro stones cracking on user error. I'm experienced dealing with stones and I couldn't avoid it. Neither could other very experienced guys like Jef Jewell. Go ask him his thoughts 😒 It's a fundamental problem with the binder and the stones. It's a shame because they are excellent stones to use, but a stone that cracks and falls apart is of no use no matter how well they work
@Ve-suvius Haven't had any problems with Imanishi stones either. Again, they're soakers for the most part. The Latte 400 is good, they also make an excellent 1k/6k combo stone. The Arashiyama stones are good. I have the 1k and the 6k and no problems there. It all depends on your preferences, do you like soft, muddy stones or harder stones that are less friable and don't release grit as readily
My Chosera 3000 and 5000 are cracked, and the stones 600 and 1000 are fine. I often find comments that the reason is the humidity of the air and that the stones cannot be soaked. Perhaps it is so. In my environment, the humidity is 40-45%. I did not soak the stones, but sprayed them abundantly with water. Abundantly for the reason that they absorbed water in front of their eyes. How to work with them otherwise is unclear to me. After work, I did not wipe the stones with a towel or cover them with a towel. Left to dry at room temperature. Do you need to cover the stones with a towel after work so that it slows down drying?
Love your channel and deciding which stones to get... The chosera 800 is highly recommended by everyone... except for the cracking issue. How are your stones going? Still no cracking? I noticed your site recommends the professional rather than the chosera mounted stones now. Apart from drying with a towel, do you dry them face down, or face up sitting on their plastic stand? Or on their side?
It doesn't matter how you dry them in the long run. They'll end up cracking. The only way to keep it at bay is to lap the stone after every use which wastes a lot of ridiculously expensive stone. My solution is I don't buy Naniwa Chosera/Professional. Actually I don't buy any Naniwa product now on principle. IMO a water stone shouldn't be damaged by water 🤷♂️ Also if anything the Pros are more likely to crack. I would get the original Chosera if I wasn't boycotting the company
@@missingpunctuation It does seem to be drying cycles that cracks them, one of the reasons it really bothers me when people say it's user error and people soaked them. I would just dry them slowly I guess. The 3k is an excellent (never had the 800 but everyone says it's very good and more akin to a 1-1.2k) I would be very partial to Choseras if they didn't have this issue, they perform excellently it's their durability that's suspect
Hi Ryky. Added to your others, this is a great format- unboxing, answer a question or two and provide updates on your Etsy products. (I share your enthusiasm for the carbon fiber bases, too!)
What are your opinions about the naniwa super stones vs Shapton pros or glass stones? since the chosera stones are to expensive for me right now. Thank you for your time and the videos.
I hadn't heard this was a problem, but I just took a look at mine (Naniwa Professional 800 and 3000… same stones as Ryky's, but without the base) and they're both fine. I've probably had them six or eight months and sharpened everything I own a time or two each, as well as a handful of friends' knives. So probably 25 or 30 sharpenings. I clean them up with a medium rust eraser, rinse with cold tap water, and let them air dry standing up in the dish drainer.
Where do you live ? I mean weather wise? My wife just bought me a set of 3 Naniwa professionals 400 800 & 3k. I’m super nervous to use them now cuz she would be devastated if they cracked. I live in Indiana where we have all 4 seasons.
I would avoid shocking them thermally as well. I would rinse them with room temperature water. It doesn't really matter in the end. If you use them consistently they will crack
@@lz_377: Sorry, I didn’t see your post. I live in Northern California, but I would think as long as any temperature changes are gradual, they should be fine. I agree with the most recent comment about not shocking them temperature-wise, and when I said I rinse mine in cold tap water, I didn’t mean freezing cold, just “luke cold”.
I heard it's the combination stones that crack. The reason may be that the two layers of wet stone react slightly differently when they are moistened and dried again. The stones expand slightly when they get wet. If one of the layers dries faster, it will shrink more than the layer on the opposite side. Tension occurs in the stone, which can then crack.
Chosera are based on magnesia bond and have higher concentration of abrasive grain. So they are faster, but there are some downsides of such a bond. Chosera stones can produce a crack on the surface when you try to dry them too quickly. The relative humidity in Japan is high and very stable ( 65-75% ) so there is no such problem with stones if you are living there. But in other regions the humidity is not as high as in Japan. In urban environment with district heating in winter the relative humidity in quarters could drop down to 10% or even less. In such a conditions special handling is needed to prevent the Chosera stones from cracking. For example one can use humidors.
humidor would work, how about storage wet, everybody says dont soak, but if they ere stored wet your ould not get drying cracking. Humidity plays a role, were fine in Cambodia hot and humid 60-90% but dry back to a drier climate they cracked, wet storage, store in an air tight container in a damp cloth?
@@EdgeMasterPro honestly if you use your stones often enough then they will get the needed moisture. I think all the people getting cracks are from rough use and not using their stones often enough.
@@kingbee2424 No. That is not what's happening. There are plenty of knowledgeable people that know all the "tricks" and how to care for magnesia bonded stones that this happens to. It's a fundamental problem with the binder. It bothers me when it's shrugged off as user error
I started "sharpening therapy" a year ago and haven't bought any chosera yet, but when I do, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna still searching your videos; it's just amazing how every issue I ran into has been addressed in one your videos at some point... I have a naniwa budget 1000/3000 that developed a cross lateral crack at the 3k side. I was wondering if it was because I soak it more than enough or something like that.
i have never seen cracks on my Naniwa stones, until i did a overnight soak test at the request of a comment. it did develop a few micro cracks laterally as well. i did post a video about it, which was a Q&A video i cannot find.... but, those cracks were not wide enough to hinder sharpening
👍's up and enjoyed. What is the best method of removing that hair line burr after stroping. It is so small you have to use some type device to see it. Seems to be worst on some steels and easyer to remove on some steels. Thank you and have a blessed day.
My Chosera 2000 has significant hairline cracking, but nothing has broken off as of yet. Early on when I first got them I probably soaked it when I shouldn’t have so I’m guessing that might be the reason… I plan on replacing the 2000 with a 3000 one of these days. My 400 and 800 have no cracking issues.
I just got my Chosera 3000 in this weekend. It works very well at sharpening. The instructions were in Japanese, so I did not know about not soaking it. Now I know just splash water. (My King 8000 does need soaking). Over 1 1/4 hrs and no cracking. I do have minor chips on both edges. I am leaving them. I do not think they are a problem.
Cracking happens to certain stones because of how they're bonded. Cracking can happen if your storage temperature is high and the stone is drying too quickly. You can try to wrap the stone in a damp cloth to help slow down the drying. Also, for some stones, you can perma-soak them, but other stones will crack if you perma-soak them. It's probably best to contact your stone's manufacturer and ask them how you should properly store your stones, because they all can differ in composition. Find out if the stone is resinoid, clay, or magnesia bonded stones, because this effects how they should be stored. If your stone starts to crack, glue it to a piece of wood or glass (if you're worried about warping.) In case the crack grows, the glued base will keep the stone from coming apart. You're absolutely right Ryky. Q&A videos are definitely a good direction for more interesting content. However, if you don't know an answer for your viewers, you shouldn't post anything. Or... you can google some answers and share your thoroughly researched findings in a video. Otherwise you're just disappointing those searching for help. If you want your channel to grow, you have to post more original content that educates your viewers. You don't have to be PERFECT on this channel, but you definitely need to step it up. This channel is... called... BURRFECTION. So get on the forums and google more. Otherwise all of your viewers will abandon you and just google stuff up instead, because they're not finding answers here. PS: Please look up the pronunciation of "GYU-TO." It's a pet peeve of mine from seeing your videos. Or just do you...
I would love to get a strop! I've been meaning to buy one but with surprise expenses (car problems) I never can spring for one. Other than that I can say I've had an 800 & 3,000 chosera set for over a year and no cracking! Super solid stones and I was sharpening the knives of my whole kitchen crew at one point for a while. I should have charged them. But oh well lol.
There might be some factory defects. It happens in every product. But the cracking stones are very rare in comparison to how many are out there. So i wouldnt hesitate to buy them again. and if i got a bad one, i would assume they would replace it.
Hi Ryky, a little background about myself, I am learning to be a sushi chef at a restaurant, I recently purchased chosera #3000 stone about one month ago, same one as yours. I have been using #3000 almost everyday or every other day to strop my chef knife, and it has done a fantastic job! Yesterday, I noticed there were some micro cracks on the surface, and this morning, the crack became large and visible. I don't think I made any mistake when I was sharpening my knife. I wish I could show you the picture of my stone. The stone is still flat, it still cuts my knife really good. but I am worried in the future the stone will just crumble or snap into two pieces. I am looking forward to your feedback.
Weird how people who push Chosera/Professional stones never respond to these questions. You didn't make a mistake. Unfortunately it's just what they do. It's a real shame because every aspect of the stones set aside durability is excellent. If you still want high quality splash and go stones I would recommend Shapton Pro/Ha No Kuromaku or Glass (personally I like the Pro line) or Suehiro Debados. Really almost all Suehiro stones are very good (except for the Cerax 320...avoid). Shapton Ha No Kuromaku can be had for very reasonable prices on Amazon and they perform just as well as Choseras minus a little bit of "luxury". They're a bit harder and if you're used to Choseras the feedback may seem lacking. They give excellent results though once you adjust to them. The Shapton Pro 5k would make a good replacement for the Chosera 3k. I know Ryky hates that stone but it performs very well. The best stone in the Pro line is the 2k though. It's excellent in every way...and it doesn't crack if you look at it sideways 😉
Read once that apparently it because you dry it in the sun or heat. The explain is that heat or sun dry the surface faster than the core. This create pressure that’s enough to create hair line cracks. Just the reverse if whetstone isn’t dried then you may have mold.
My chosera #3000 cracked as well within the first month, never dropped, or soaked. It hasn't affect the sharpening process, and is still completely level.
5k chosera cracks and crazes. Never soak air dry them. on their sides so all surfaces dry equally. Crazing happens from a rapid drying of certain parts rather then evenly. If u can’t store on there sides throw a damp towel on them to slow the rapid drying.
Thank you Josh, I have some chosera 5000, 10000 stones for the wicked edge, both 10000 cracks and crazed like crazy, the 5000 just one stone cracked. For the wicked edge one side is glued to aluminium so obviously that would not dry out at the same rate. So maybe its not soaking them is the problem its the drying them out that is an issue, wrapping them in glas/cling/saran wrap to seal in the moisture and let it even out might also work, but drying could be causing it. A testing method would be soak then put in the sun or something for rapid drying
If I were you, I'd ask a butcher, a taxidermist or a hunter what they would use. they'd know a lot better than us. But from a cooks perspective, not a hunters perspective, I'd be using a Dexter Russell first choice or Victorinox with maybe a few Mercers mixed in. I'd say a Dexter Russell would be the safest and probably most effective. You want a SOFT blade 54-58 hardness with a NON SLIP handle and ergonomics and blade design that would give you lots of leverage. I'd choose at least one schmitar 8-10 inches or chefs knife. I'd want one pretty rigid "boning" or "breaking" knife, a paring knife, and a FLEXIBLE fillet knife. Maybe a short deba, thrown in to the mix, as a final add on. Again that is coming from someone who does NOT know hunting. A Hunter would know better than I would
You want something with a good amount of belly and sweep. Blades with a flat profile don't work very well. I use a Cold Steel Pendleton Hunter for deer and it does well. Just using that as an example of the type of shape you want
please can you tell me what is the best stone for sharpening a straight razor after using the belgian yellow stone? I thought about the Naniwa superstone. But there are some alternatives like Shapton or Naniwa 10000 grit professional stone or so chinese stone 12000 grit( Ardesia) or Novaculite black ultra fine but really I don't Know the true. Clearly the Escher is a Ardesia but they are not in production and howere is not clear why a chinese stone 12000 grit must be bad and an Escher stone ( always Ardesia material) should be better. Thanks
You have responded after 3 years 😂 Now I don't need more the answer ! That is not so correct! After the Belgian! It makes no sense to pass yo a sinteytic stone! Recreating saw teeth 😅! Unless I saw a lot if chickens doing it!!!😂😊@AnarchAngel1
@@zenrazor659 Sorry I missed the Belgian part 😅 I was responding to someone in another thread and was sitting in the pharmacy trying to kill time and read your comment real quick 😆 Somehow I missed your opening comment and got thinking about what I like to finish razors with 😁 I honestly don't think Ryky would have a clue which is why he didn't respond
(CRACKING ISSUE) I´ve had some Chosera (professional model) stones for a couple of years now, and have done maybe between 50 - 100 sharpenings with different knives, chisels and so on. I´ve always treated my stones well, and never had a problem -until yesterday. I decided to try taking my Chosera 2000 with me to the woodworkshop, so I could sharpen my tools consistently through the day. but after only a couple of hours, the stone was full of cracks! I just put a little water on the surface every now and then, and removed the worst amount of water after each sharpening/honing. I guess the stone was being held damp for too long, I dont really know. Personally I think a "professional grade" sharpening stone, should be able to withstand repeatable sharpenings in a normal woodworking environment, where it is repeatable a little wet and damp. Aside from being good stones, I would not recommend them for professional daily use, only for once-in-a-while sharpenings, where you can take the necessary precautions: Drying properly and completely - store in room temp with no direct sunlight. This is just my personal experience and opinion regarding this matter.
exactly. They are SHARPENING STONES! And very expensive ones at that. You should not have to baby them, wrap towels around them and do all this crap to stop them from self destructing. It is absolutely absurd.
I own the Chosera 400, 1000 and 3000. No cracks in mine yet. Have used them 15-20 times each. I’m looking for the ULTIMATE best Leather strop on a wooden block similar to grit 8000-10000. Can I buy one of yours and pay for shipping to Copenhagen, Denmark ? Cheers, Claus
my chosera 800 does have cracks on them, after like 10 sharpening sessions, i probably have to let it dry a bit more before i put it back in the box since i leave my stones at work and i tend to sharpen them once every month after work and then hurry back home so maybe thats why...
I would love a strop. Enjoying your channel mate. I've got quite a few chosera stones.. only the 5k and 10k have issues so far. Going on 4 or 5 years. I barely used both and only noticed last year that they had crazed.
Thanks for all your videos Ryky, I too have picked some naniwa’s bwatching your channel. Would love to have your high end strops. Again, thanks for your informative videos.
I see a couple of first hand reports of cracked Chosera stones in the comments, and mine cracked soon after purchase too. I never soaked them but did use rather a lot of water when sharpening and didn't thoroughly wash and dry them afterwards. Mine are still usable, and it appears many others cracked stones are usable too.
They charge massive shipping fees to make money. The actual cost of shipping to them would be a 5th of what they're charging if going by size and weight of the items.
Started watching your channel, and I find it compelling. I would love to get one of your strops from the giveaway. I would also like to see a scissor sharpening episode. I got a Chosera 800 to start practicing my skills, and was wondering if I could sharpen things other than knifes?
heey i got a question about sharpening.. i send in my santoku knife to a sharpener and when i got back they remove a ton of material out of it and the worse thing is it isnt even sharp! im so sad cause my santoku cost like 180 euro, im not a good sharpener so i tought a company would do better sadly nope :(. i have trying to get the edge back bt no sucess.. do you have any tips? when i look at my knife now im so sad that its in that state :(
Learn to sharpen it yourself. It really isn't hard to learn and it's quite rewarding. If you're paying to have it sharpened then after a few times you've probably spent enough $ that you could have bought a stone yourself. I recommend never taking it back there if they're that bad and spread the word that they do bad work. They often use aggressive machines to sharpen knives like belt sanders. To sharpen an edge you really should be removing very little material unless you're removing a chip like Ryky has done in knife repair videos. Make sure they haven't switched knives on you too!
Thanks for your reply, and there wasn't a chip or anything i think the worse thing i had for my knives is that the angle is bad. So i did hoped that they would put back the right angle on it. But nope it was very bad there was any "angle on it" it was almost rounded edge so bad. They used to provide decent work but kinda disappointed with them. I also have given them my sashimi knife also very bad. I guess your right, that i should learn my self. I find sharpening my sashimi knife bit easier then a double edge. But my sashimi knife does not hold it's edge very long which is sad :( my colleague always laughing at me cause Im sharpening my knife. I think i need to buy a big sharpening stone cause the stones I have now loses their material really quickly. I did got my first Sharpton glass stone lets hope that one is good. Still sad for my santoku knife it's hardly 1 year and it's looks like it took a beating for 5 years. p.s they are using belts to sharping their knifes, but i never thought they would do a bad job at it :(
I DO like having Q&A videos periodically. I like you having long and short versions of the same video. It would be great if you labeled them "long" and "short". that way when we're in a hurry we can bang out a video or two, in it's entirety we can learn and enjoy instead of having to wait till we get home. And not all subjects are interesting to all people. A person who couldn't afford it, might not care about a review of a Super Gou or a Miyabi Ash. Or a person like me really doesn't care to spend a LOT of time on a knife like Kuma to watch a 10 minute video, but 3 minutes might be interesting. Keep up the great work!
Hi Ryky. I would love to try one of your strops. I was on Etsy last night close to buying one but I have a Kitayama 8000 coming on Monday. I wasn’t sure about the progression order of the strop so I wanted to ask you before I made another purchase
I didn’t know stones can crack unless you drop them a good height, shank hard at it or really try to break it. I’ve permasoaked my stones to see if they would perform better, dropped them from about 2-3 feet multiple times by accident, used hot water on freezing cold stones because having cold hands is painfully annoying . I’ve managed to lose only one corner across my stones from the shipping only. But I guess anything is possible.
It will crack even without soacking it, because the adhesive is only on about a quarter of the surface and the water stays between the plastic base and the stone. It's like you soaking it without knowing it.
Ryky how about a stone cracking experiment video contact naniwa get some stones and see how you can crack them permanently soaking, storing damp, too fast drying in the sun etc. There are enough cracked stone comments around and some from very new stones there is something missing about stone care, a few comments indicating it is fast drying others soaking (although some claim to never soaked and had cracks). How about advancing our collective knowledge and testing them.
I bought the 800 and the 3000 the 800 is perfect but the 3000 did have hair line cracks appear on the top if I use the nagara and the almost disappear I have never soaked it just splash I did use it a long time when I got it and it stayed wet for a while I would love to have a strop
I got a 400/1000 whetstone that already should be flattened after less than 10 sharpening sessions :/ I guess my technique at the beginning was not correct What kind of stone should I use to flatten my first one ?
Atoma diamond stones are the best in my experience. 140 for coarse stones and 400 for finer stones. There are of course other options but those work very well and are very durable and long lasting
I bought both of them a couple weeks ago, and unfortunately they have both started developing cracks. I had thought I was maintaining them well enough by removing water and letting them dry off before storage and never soaking them. But who knows, kinda sucks really
Hey ryky just to let you know the link to amazon for these stones are not the same stone as you have as the ones selling on amazon is for the super stones as I bought the 800 arrived also the number on the side of your stone is 140606 for the 800 chosera just to make other members aware before they commit to buy Kind regards
i just got my 3k chosera but I'm wondering why this one looks like yours ( with the plastic base ). The ones on all the sharpening sites and even Naniwas site have a totally different package and no base.
bread knives should be considered "disposable". You CAN sharpen them, but it is worth less to just buy a new one than to spend the labor to sharpen one. How much is your time worth?
I havent had any problems with my naniwa professional stones either. And some times even put them away a little damp to. Think the people that have problems have them in temperature swinging places
knife sharpening norway either that or they water them too much. I have 5 Choseras aswell and no issues at all. Use them, let them dry a few days at room temperature and put them away.
Burrfection more my school then work but also new news (did you see what i did there XD, im not funny i know) but the shapton pro 320 and chosera 800 is ariving soon With a folding knife the Spyderco Dragonfly 2 its nice with a ZDP-189 Steel hardened to 64 on the hrc Thats hard and thats what she said 😂😂 Have a nice day got a lot to watch btw.
I have the 800 and 3000 they are both cracked but it doesn't really affect them for me so far, we shall see if they continue to work as time passes. I have used them for about 6 months sense they cracked.
have you ever studied how the Japanese polishers used stones to polish Japanese swords and what kind of stones used. very interesting and the art and talent it takes to do that.
My 1000 has hairline cracks but my 5000 does not yet. The 5000 I have heard is the most prone to cracks from what I have found on the internet. I have not used the 5000 as much yet though. I never soak
Yo this is the third time in a row you've uploaded a video with the exact same beginning and end bits. What's going on? The Q&A videos are great, but the same beginning explanation, strop sales pitch and end hype for whatever that thing is on every video is getting a bit old.
It doesn't matter if stones get hairline cracks. As long as they don't break. Saying that, i have dozens of stones i use for polishing and not just sharpening. They are used A LOT and for a whole day in one sitting. The only stone that has cracked on me is a king traditional 300. Also a natural Aoto, but it had an inclusion in it. Really wouldn't worry about them cracking as it does not affect their performance as long as they don't break in half.
I also have the chosera 800 and 300. I use them regularly and no cracking. I think some people lean too heavily on the stone when sharpening. This really does not help with the sharpening and might make the stones crack?
I have a Chosera 800. It is 50% used. I dont have a ton of stones like Ryky. I use it for knives and woodworking tools like chisels and plane blades. No cracking whatsoever. Great stone. Im thinking that if people are indeed having issues with them, it may be from soaking them when they are a splash n Go. Or they drop them or bang them against other stones. Most people don't treat their stuff properly. And there are other companies that have people put out bogus reviews of their competition, and Chosera is the main one, to sway people away and hopefully get sales. It is a top notch company and product. I will be buying more.
I have Chosera 600 and 1000 for about 2 years and they are still perfect. People who ruin their Choseras probably do so by soaking them in water I never soak them and I always dry-wrap them with paper towels
I never recommend chosera to anyone... wasted too much money on stones that crack under normal use. Its hit or miss, you get good ones or you don't. Its mainly 2k and up. 5k is by far the most prone, and its a 150 dollar stone. It is absolutely something you have to worry about. In fact, I tried another stone by a brand I won't name that has the same style binder as the chosera... cracked its self all the heck just as fast. I got about 3 sharpenings out of my 5k before I simply had to through it away as it crumbled into pieces.
If you want to stay in the same hardness of stone, try a shapton pro 2k. Or a suehiro cerax. I guess you could look up the relative micron value and do it that way. I have never used a chosera 3k so I am not exactly sure what the scratch pattern is. Why do you want a 3k? Any particular reason? Just remember, grit rating has nothing to do with the micron... grit is just a number manufacturers give to rate their own stones... they mean nothing when compared to stones by a different brand.
@@glytch5 I use a Chosera 3000 for my polishing stone, but it's cracking, after only a dozen uses. I like the stone, and the finish it gives, so I figured I'd look for something similar, in a different brand. Can you recommend a good resource (website/forum) where I can learn more about all this? I'm pretty new to sharpening. Thanks.
Ah I see. the forums are all going to say the same thing. They will just keep spewing the same crap about wrapping the stone in towels, not soaking them and bla bla bla bla. The fact of the matter is, you got a bad stone like most of us. they either crack or they don't, its luck of the draw. If you have other chosera stones not cracking, the best thing for them is distilled or deionized water... that seems to help a lot for me.
@@glytch5 I do have a Chosera 400 and 800 that I've had for the same amount of time as the 3000 and so far, no problems with those, so what you're saying does make a lot of sense. I'll look on Amazon and see if I can find another 3000. Give it one more shot and hope to get a better stone this time. Thanks for the info. Appreciated.
I just did a UA-cam search on chosera stone crack. Only a handful of people have had this happen. That is a very small percentage considering how many stones that company sells. I would say they have sold hundreds of thousands of stones and having 5 people have one that is cracking is like a small percent of 1 percent in faulty product.
I had cracks on my choceras. I didn`t soaked them, but I have washed them in the sink. And I think these stones are not made to have a lot of use. I mean if they can`t stay wet for a long period and we need the stone wet to sharpen.. And you have a ton of stones. Your choceras had like 60 sections? But those who only own them, like me (I do have others, but I only used my choceras), will use them a LOT more. I estimate I`ve used mines for like 200 times at least. Anyway, these stones are very fragile and do require care. That`s all I can say. And I believe I told about my problem like 2 years ago and I kept using them. Right now, I`m in the US and don`t have them here so... Are you selling some 800 and 3000? lol Add: no issues in the stones under 1k grid. I don`t think the 400 will ever crack. many people won`t even notice the cracks until they look for that. It`s a hair line that many times can only be seen in certain conditions like just after wet... I think not a few people had the cracked, BUT most users had them cracked. I knew about the issue related to soaking before buying, virtuovice channel.. So, it`s obvious that I took care of my stones and that was not enough. Most people that say that those who had issues didn`t take proper care or not have the Choceras or used them once in a while and less then 50 times.
I personally think that cracking problems come with bad storage. I never had a cracked stones,I also have chosera 1k and 3k. As long as you don't soak them in water and leave them to dry on the sides of a towel or cloth they should be ok. My stones sometimes take 2-3 days to dry off completely this depends where you live as well how hot it is in the room that you store them (humidity,etc.) and then I put them away in their boxes.
Hi, Sergio from Argentina. I own 4 choseras. The 800 has 4 uses and is cracked the 1000 is cracked also. If you pass me the email I will send you pictures... your choseras are old... mabe this problem is more serious with the New ones...
I have a few theories, either people apply too much pressure while sharpening or flattening (this one is heavily overlooked too), or maybe they over soaked it and didn't realized.
Don't assume I didn't take proper care of my stone sometimes you just get one that cracks not saying they're not good stones but I do take care of my stuff people on here talking as if your Stones cracked because you don't take care of your stuff I take good care of my things.
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I've spent a little bit of time researching this cracking issue.
From what I can tell it's caused by soaking the stone. These are ceramic stones you should never soak a ceramic stone. There's a reason why they're called Splash and Go.I think most people don't understand or haven't been told or are going by what their Grandfather said when it comes to soaking a stone. But these new Stones most of which are ceramic do not need to be soaked. A very easy way to tell if you need to soak a stone or not is to Splash it when it's dry watch how quickly the water is absorbed. If the water is absorbed like you splashed a thirsty sponge "immediately" then you should soak it. If you splash the stone and the water sit on the stone for more than 5 Seconds without being fully absorbed then don't soak the stone. As a matter of fact with most modern ceramic stones you should be "very" sparing with the water. Remember the water is only there to keep the Stone from loading up that's it. Only add water when the stone feels slick and stops cutting.
They're some type of aluminum oxide with a magnesia binder. The term "ceramic" refers only to the abrasive and it's a very broad and general term that doesn't really tell you much. The binder is the problem here
@@AnarchAngel1
Stones are not advertised by their binder.
You are correct but you don't know the binder unless you do some research most people don't. You only know the type of grit that is being used as advertised.
Again test your stone before soaking. You will ruin it if you soak a stone that should not be soaked like the "splash & Go" series. It will crack when it dries back out.
Or just ignore all I've said take a chance on ruining a $70 + Stone. Whatever floats your boat.
@@triggeredmonkey3439 Did I ever advocate soaking a Chosera/Professional stone? No I didn't. They can't withstand normal drying cycles; I certainly wouldn't soak one. I know for a fact that they're magnesia bonded stones I'm not guessing. The same qualities that make them excellent performers also sacrifices the durability of a vitrified stone that doesn't need to be babied to do its job of sharpening and getting some water on it in the process. It's strange though, Shapton Pro/Ha No Kuromaku stones use the same type of binder. I have the whole line set aside the 120 and 30k...never had one crack 🤷♂️ It bothers me when I see posts like this shrugging off known issues as user error. It's not in many cases, and a lot of very experienced sharpeners will tell you the same thing. It's what allows Naniwa to keep selling a product (for a very high premium I might add) that they know is flawed. Guess how much Naniwa will help you out if you do have issues? Not at all. They'll refer you to your dealer and have one of you eat the cash instead of standing behind their products. And posts like yours just perpetuate the problem
@triggeredmonkey3439 They'll crack just from general use. There are many, many people with a lot of experience that have had these stones crack, and not from soaking. You essentially soak the surface everytime you use it anyway and that's where the cracks form 🤷♂️ A "water stone" that can't deal with some water during regular sharpening is kind of a problem IMO. It bothers me when people blame the cracking on user error alone. Sometimes that absolutely is the case, but you can also baby them and do everything correctly and end up with the same problem. I won't buy these stones because it's ridiculous to pay the money they demand and end up with a useless product
Ive been sharpen by hand for 27yrs since i was a small boy, a skill past down in my family father to son. I love Naniwa stones and have every Chosera as well as other Naniwas. I never once had a cracking issue and im on my 3rd chosera 400 and 2nd chosera 2,000grit and all of mine i buy the original on bases except the 10,000 of course. I think people do not know how to properly dry and store their stones is the problem. I also wait awhile before i judge a stones performance. Like with the chosera 5K that gets a bad rap but is perfect setbup stone for the 10k. It took about 9months of use before my chosera 5k seemed to get broken in and became one of my favorites with great tactile feel as well as feedback. Totally different from how it was new. Also like I said theres not a better set up stone for the chosera 10k than the chosera 5k. Same with a straight razor using the 5K as my set up to the 12k super stone.
Can you explain in detail how you dry your stones after each use. I have a Naniwa 1K and 3K Professional (formerly Chosera line) and want to add the 5K.
I use them as recommend splash and go and after each use I dry them down completely with a clean rag and let them air dry continuously in a controlled temperature room until I grab it again. As of now I have experienced no issues with cracking on either my 1K or 3K.
Was just wanting to see if you had. Similar pattern in drying your stones….thanks.
I bought a chocera 800 based on your review and I am quite happy with it. I do not soak it for a 1/2 hr, maybe a minute before use, then I just splash it. I've had no problems with cracking. I'm on softened water so it's unlikely my stone is absorbing minerals, perhaps the people who are having a problem should try distilled water.
Paul Jackson that's a good point never thought about that both of mine are cracked and I don't use distilled water I never soak them I take good care of them and they both cracked they still work just fine and I love them just wondering why Mine cracked and others don't.
@@travisevans7502 I soaked not a long time and 3 out of 4 cracked, but they are think pieces for a wicked edge
Just sending my Chosera 3000 back today for replacement. It has developed a few hairline cracks in the three weeks I've had it. Only used five or six times. Never soaked but did rinse off under running water after use. Towel dried every time and air dried on the kitchen counter top. Never rough handled either. Hope the next one holds up. My best stone so I hated to send it back.
Unfortunately that's just what they do 🥺
I bought a chosera 800 based on your recommendation. As soon as the return window closed, I had a diagonal crack from left to right. At this point, I had used it maybe 5 times. I never soaked it or dropped it. I do exactly what you did in your wusthof ikon classic sharpening video. Wish I could've returned it and got the cerax 1000.
ouch sorry to hear that. i've got mine for 3 years now, and there are no cracks. not sure what is going on
@@Burrfection 3 years! Wow! Mine didn't last three months.
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@@Burrfection
Which waterstones do no crack. Stones we really know of they don't crack.
Shapton glass? Or other brands. Please brand names , models.
I would love a buffalo strop! :). I bought a chosera 3000 on your recommendation, and it has never cracked. I dry it with a towel after sharpening and I give it space and time to air-dry after that. Think that's the trick. Thank you for learning me how to sharpen on stones by the way. Best regards. :)
yes maybe water wet storage shortens light, I would like to see an experiment like leaving one stone soaking for ages see if it speeds up cracking
@@EdgeMasterPro Why would we want to try soaking "splash and go" stones you Einstein?
How's that 3k holding up?
Thanks... one of the things may be putting away stones without letting them air out enough, and another issue may just be related to what Korin tells me: do not ever soak stones over 2000 grit i.e. you soak 2000 (if they are a soaking stone), but anything above that e.g. 3000 and up, you should treat as a splash and go, just to prevent cracking. The guys and gals at Korin have plenty of experience to back up that statement, it would seem to me.
It would depend upon the stone. My King 8000 grit requires soaking before use. It has worked well with no issues. However, I have a cheap dual sided Waterstone also. The 1000 grit soaks well without issues, but the 6000 grit looses too much material. I do not even use that side anymore.
thanks I think you might be right I soaked my stones 3 out of 4 all cracked
That doesn't make sense. There are plenty of stones over 2k that absolutely need to be soaked. Very popular example - Suehiro Rika 5k. Try using that stone as a splash and go and tell me how that works out
@@EdgeMasterPro If they're Choseras they're just doing what Choseras do. You should never soak magnesia bonded stones like Choseras or Shapton Pro/Ha No Kuromaku though. Same goes for resinoid stones like Naniwa Super Stones. Vitrified stones are usually just fine to soak
@@AnarchAngel1 yes, you have a point. So yes, if the mfrs instruction is specific, I would go with that. I actually have that stone.
Let me say this...I own the entire line of Ha No Kuromaku stones which use the same type of binder and not one of them has cracked. I own a single Chosera 1k that cracked quite quickly on me with normal use and care of a magnesia bonded stone. The cracking issue is not user error, there are a lot of experienced sharpeners that experience it. People are asking about it because it's a problem with the stones, people don't want to spend that much money on something that will inevitably crack. I drew the line right there on Chosera and Naniwa in general, which really sucks because I would like to try the 800 and 3k that everyone seems to love so much...right up until they crack on them.
too true I have some for the wicked edge, 2 x 10000 stones cracked micro cracking and the 5000 cracked, I was thinking having them bonded to something means expansion and contraction, maybe why they stopped putting them in the plastic holders free floating less stress
@@EdgeMasterPro My 1k isn't bonded to anything and the cracks occurred anyway...I think it's a fundamental problem with the binder and the higher in grit you go the more likely it is to happen
@@AnarchAngel1
Which stones don't crack. And last until they are worn out by sharpening.
Shapton glass stones?
What's you thoughts on this.
@Ve-suvius In my experience, it's the hard splash and go stones that have cracking issues. It seems the finer the stone the more likely it is IME. Haven't had any problem with my Shaptons (all of mine are Ha No Kuromaku/Pro except for a double thick Glass 500 I have) yet but you still need to go out of your way to take care of those types of stones. If you're worried about cracking issues, I would suggest sticking to traditional soaking stones. They tend to be a little softer, some people like softer stones and some people don't. I have Suehiro stones that are quite old that I've never had a problem with. Mostly the old school line like the Ouga 3k and Rika 5k. Haven't heard of many problems with the Cerax stones either. Suehiro are usually very solid choices. Only one I've used that I don't like; well I hate it actually; is the Cerax 320. Stay away from that stone. The Debados I don't have experience with, but again those are splash and go so I would be less confident in those. Suehiros also tend to be excellent cutting stones that are very fast. Don't overlook King stones either, they're tried and true and I'm not sure I've ever seen one of the Deluxe 800/1000/1200 crack. Some people turn their nose up at Kings but I own dozens of stones and I really enjoy them. The King Deluxe 300 is much harder and a splash and go and those can and arguably will crack although that is one excellent stone in every other way; especially for the price like all Kings. Vitrified stones in general tend to be very resilient, it's the magnesia bonded stones that are the champs when it comes to cracking. I won't even consider buying Naniwa Pro stones, I've also heard of issues with the Super Stones but not with cracking, more with warping. I've boycotted Naniwa so I can't tell you. The only Naniwa I broke my rule for is the Aotoshi (green brick of joy). That thing is a magic bullet for regular stainless kitchen knives. It doesn't do well with hard, high carbide steels though. Can I ask what type of knives you regularly work with? I could probably give you better recommendations if I knew what you were working with. But yeah, in short, soaking stones are the way to avoid the cracking issue. It really bothers me when guys like Ryky try to blame Naniwa Pro stones cracking on user error. I'm experienced dealing with stones and I couldn't avoid it. Neither could other very experienced guys like Jef Jewell. Go ask him his thoughts 😒 It's a fundamental problem with the binder and the stones. It's a shame because they are excellent stones to use, but a stone that cracks and falls apart is of no use no matter how well they work
@Ve-suvius Haven't had any problems with Imanishi stones either. Again, they're soakers for the most part. The Latte 400 is good, they also make an excellent 1k/6k combo stone. The Arashiyama stones are good. I have the 1k and the 6k and no problems there. It all depends on your preferences, do you like soft, muddy stones or harder stones that are less friable and don't release grit as readily
My Chosera 3000 and 5000 are cracked, and the stones 600 and 1000 are fine. I often find comments that the reason is the humidity of the air and that the stones cannot be soaked. Perhaps it is so. In my environment, the humidity is 40-45%. I did not soak the stones, but sprayed them abundantly with water. Abundantly for the reason that they absorbed water in front of their eyes. How to work with them otherwise is unclear to me. After work, I did not wipe the stones with a towel or cover them with a towel. Left to dry at room temperature. Do you need to cover the stones with a towel after work so that it slows down drying?
Love your channel and deciding which stones to get... The chosera 800 is highly recommended by everyone... except for the cracking issue. How are your stones going? Still no cracking? I noticed your site recommends the professional rather than the chosera mounted stones now. Apart from drying with a towel, do you dry them face down, or face up sitting on their plastic stand? Or on their side?
It doesn't matter how you dry them in the long run. They'll end up cracking. The only way to keep it at bay is to lap the stone after every use which wastes a lot of ridiculously expensive stone. My solution is I don't buy Naniwa Chosera/Professional. Actually I don't buy any Naniwa product now on principle. IMO a water stone shouldn't be damaged by water 🤷♂️ Also if anything the Pros are more likely to crack. I would get the original Chosera if I wasn't boycotting the company
ok, thanks - got the 800 & 3000 stones, so hopefully they don't crack too quickly...
@@missingpunctuation It does seem to be drying cycles that cracks them, one of the reasons it really bothers me when people say it's user error and people soaked them. I would just dry them slowly I guess. The 3k is an excellent (never had the 800 but everyone says it's very good and more akin to a 1-1.2k) I would be very partial to Choseras if they didn't have this issue, they perform excellently it's their durability that's suspect
Hi Ryky. Added to your others, this is a great format- unboxing, answer a question or two and provide updates on your Etsy products. (I share your enthusiasm for the carbon fiber bases, too!)
What are your opinions about the naniwa super stones vs Shapton pros or glass stones? since the chosera stones are to expensive for me right now. Thank you for your time and the videos.
Get the Shapton Pros
I hadn't heard this was a problem, but I just took a look at mine (Naniwa Professional 800 and 3000… same stones as Ryky's, but without the base) and they're both fine. I've probably had them six or eight months and sharpened everything I own a time or two each, as well as a handful of friends' knives. So probably 25 or 30 sharpenings. I clean them up with a medium rust eraser, rinse with cold tap water, and let them air dry standing up in the dish drainer.
Where do you live ? I mean weather wise? My wife just bought me a set of 3 Naniwa professionals 400 800 & 3k. I’m super nervous to use them now cuz she would be devastated if they cracked. I live in Indiana where we have all 4 seasons.
I would avoid shocking them thermally as well. I would rinse them with room temperature water. It doesn't really matter in the end. If you use them consistently they will crack
@@lz_377: Sorry, I didn’t see your post. I live in Northern California, but I would think as long as any temperature changes are gradual, they should be fine. I agree with the most recent comment about not shocking them temperature-wise, and when I said I rinse mine in cold tap water, I didn’t mean freezing cold, just “luke cold”.
@@b-radg916 yea I store mine on their sides in a dish rack made for plates. Haven’t noticed any deformation at all.
I heard it's the combination stones that crack. The reason may be that the two layers of wet stone react slightly differently when they are moistened and dried again. The stones expand slightly when they get wet. If one of the layers dries faster, it will shrink more than the layer on the opposite side. Tension occurs in the stone, which can then crack.
No, it's just what Chosera/Pro stones do. The finer the grit the bigger the problem seems to be
Chosera are based on magnesia bond and have higher concentration of abrasive grain. So they are faster, but there are some downsides of such a bond. Chosera stones can produce a crack on the surface when you try to dry them too quickly.
The relative humidity in Japan is high and very stable ( 65-75% ) so there is no such problem with stones if you are living there.
But in other regions the humidity is not as high as in Japan. In urban environment with district heating in winter the relative humidity in quarters could drop down to 10% or even less. In such a conditions special handling is needed to prevent the Chosera stones from cracking.
For example one can use humidors.
humidor would work, how about storage wet, everybody says dont soak, but if they ere stored wet your ould not get drying cracking. Humidity plays a role, were fine in Cambodia hot and humid 60-90% but dry back to a drier climate they cracked, wet storage, store in an air tight container in a damp cloth?
@@EdgeMasterPro honestly if you use your stones often enough then they will get the needed moisture. I think all the people getting cracks are from rough use and not using their stones often enough.
@@kingbee2424 No. That is not what's happening. There are plenty of knowledgeable people that know all the "tricks" and how to care for magnesia bonded stones that this happens to. It's a fundamental problem with the binder. It bothers me when it's shrugged off as user error
what is your sink bridge (brand / size)? also, what water tub do you have? please let me know. thanks for your videos.
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Would love any strop. Thanks for the information. I have a chooser a 400 that has a micro crack after just a couple uses.
I started "sharpening therapy" a year ago and haven't bought any chosera yet, but when I do, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna still searching your videos; it's just amazing how every issue I ran into has been addressed in one your videos at some point... I have a naniwa budget 1000/3000 that developed a cross lateral crack at the 3k side. I was wondering if it was because I soak it more than enough or something like that.
i have never seen cracks on my Naniwa stones, until i did a overnight soak test at the request of a comment. it did develop a few micro cracks laterally as well. i did post a video about it, which was a Q&A video i cannot find.... but, those cracks were not wide enough to hinder sharpening
👍's up and enjoyed. What is the best method of removing that hair line burr after stroping. It is so small you have to use some type device to see it. Seems to be worst on some steels and easyer to remove on some steels. Thank you and have a blessed day.
There really shouldn't be a burr left after stropping, especially if it's loaded with decent compound
My Chosera 2000 has significant hairline cracking, but nothing has broken off as of yet. Early on when I first got them I probably soaked it when I shouldn’t have so I’m guessing that might be the reason… I plan on replacing the 2000 with a 3000 one of these days. My 400 and 800 have no cracking issues.
I just got my Chosera 3000 in this weekend. It works very well at sharpening. The instructions were in Japanese, so I did not know about not soaking it. Now I know just splash water. (My King 8000 does need soaking). Over 1 1/4 hrs and no cracking. I do have minor chips on both edges. I am leaving them. I do not think they are a problem.
Cracking happens to certain stones because of how they're bonded. Cracking can happen if your storage temperature is high and the stone is drying too quickly. You can try to wrap the stone in a damp cloth to help slow down the drying. Also, for some stones, you can perma-soak them, but other stones will crack if you perma-soak them. It's probably best to contact your stone's manufacturer and ask them how you should properly store your stones, because they all can differ in composition. Find out if the stone is resinoid, clay, or magnesia bonded stones, because this effects how they should be stored. If your stone starts to crack, glue it to a piece of wood or glass (if you're worried about warping.) In case the crack grows, the glued base will keep the stone from coming apart.
You're absolutely right Ryky. Q&A videos are definitely a good direction for more interesting content. However, if you don't know an answer for your viewers, you shouldn't post anything. Or... you can google some answers and share your thoroughly researched findings in a video. Otherwise you're just disappointing those searching for help. If you want your channel to grow, you have to post more original content that educates your viewers.
You don't have to be PERFECT on this channel, but you definitely need to step it up. This channel is... called... BURRFECTION. So get on the forums and google more. Otherwise all of your viewers will abandon you and just google stuff up instead, because they're not finding answers here.
PS: Please look up the pronunciation of "GYU-TO." It's a pet peeve of mine from seeing your videos. Or just do you...
I would love to get a strop! I've been meaning to buy one but with surprise expenses (car problems) I never can spring for one.
Other than that I can say I've had an 800 & 3,000 chosera set for over a year and no cracking! Super solid stones and I was sharpening the knives of my whole kitchen crew at one point for a while. I should have charged them. But oh well lol.
They dont absorb water and i very rarely dry mine and never had an issue.
chuckyz2 Sounds about right! Idk how people are cracking these stones honestly.
There might be some factory defects. It happens in every product. But the cracking stones are very rare in comparison to how many are out there. So i wouldnt hesitate to buy them again. and if i got a bad one, i would assume they would replace it.
How did you take care of it?
Hi Ryky, a little background about myself, I am learning to be a sushi chef at a restaurant, I recently purchased chosera #3000 stone about one month ago, same one as yours. I have been using #3000 almost everyday or every other day to strop my chef knife, and it has done a fantastic job! Yesterday, I noticed there were some micro cracks on the surface, and this morning, the crack became large and visible. I don't think I made any mistake when I was sharpening my knife. I wish I could show you the picture of my stone. The stone is still flat, it still cuts my knife really good. but I am worried in the future the stone will just crumble or snap into two pieces.
I am looking forward to your feedback.
Weird how people who push Chosera/Professional stones never respond to these questions. You didn't make a mistake. Unfortunately it's just what they do. It's a real shame because every aspect of the stones set aside durability is excellent. If you still want high quality splash and go stones I would recommend Shapton Pro/Ha No Kuromaku or Glass (personally I like the Pro line) or Suehiro Debados. Really almost all Suehiro stones are very good (except for the Cerax 320...avoid). Shapton Ha No Kuromaku can be had for very reasonable prices on Amazon and they perform just as well as Choseras minus a little bit of "luxury". They're a bit harder and if you're used to Choseras the feedback may seem lacking. They give excellent results though once you adjust to them. The Shapton Pro 5k would make a good replacement for the Chosera 3k. I know Ryky hates that stone but it performs very well. The best stone in the Pro line is the 2k though. It's excellent in every way...and it doesn't crack if you look at it sideways 😉
thanks for doing this quck Q&A sessions, really appreciate them.
So much of any reviews depend on handling, care, etc. Ryky. Like anything, if you abuse it, you might lose it. Good care is priceless.
Read once that apparently it because you dry it in the sun or heat. The explain is that heat or sun dry the surface faster than the core. This create pressure that’s enough to create hair line cracks.
Just the reverse if whetstone isn’t dried then you may have mold.
My chosera #3000 cracked as well within the first month, never dropped, or soaked. It hasn't affect the sharpening process, and is still completely level.
5k chosera cracks and crazes. Never soak air dry them. on their sides so all surfaces dry equally. Crazing happens from a rapid drying of certain parts rather then evenly. If u can’t store on there sides throw a damp towel on them to slow the rapid drying.
Thank you Josh, I have some chosera 5000, 10000 stones for the wicked edge, both 10000 cracks and crazed like crazy, the 5000 just one stone cracked. For the wicked edge one side is glued to aluminium so obviously that would not dry out at the same rate. So maybe its not soaking them is the problem its the drying them out that is an issue, wrapping them in glas/cling/saran wrap to seal in the moisture and let it even out might also work, but drying could be causing it. A testing method would be soak then put in the sun or something for rapid drying
awesome videos ! i have a question being a noob with knives. what kind of a knife would you recommend for deskinning animals such as sheep and pigs.
If I were you, I'd ask a butcher, a taxidermist or a hunter what they would use. they'd know a lot better than us.
But from a cooks perspective, not a hunters perspective, I'd be using a Dexter Russell first choice or Victorinox with maybe a few Mercers mixed in. I'd say a Dexter Russell would be the safest and probably most effective. You want a SOFT blade 54-58 hardness with a NON SLIP handle and ergonomics and blade design that would give you lots of leverage.
I'd choose at least one schmitar 8-10 inches or chefs knife. I'd want one pretty rigid "boning" or "breaking" knife, a paring knife, and a FLEXIBLE fillet knife. Maybe a short deba, thrown in to the mix, as a final add on.
Again that is coming from someone who does NOT know hunting. A Hunter would know better than I would
You want something with a good amount of belly and sweep. Blades with a flat profile don't work very well. I use a Cold Steel Pendleton Hunter for deer and it does well. Just using that as an example of the type of shape you want
please can you tell me what is the best stone for sharpening a straight razor after using the belgian yellow stone? I thought about the Naniwa superstone. But there are some alternatives like Shapton or Naniwa 10000 grit professional stone or so chinese stone 12000 grit( Ardesia) or Novaculite black ultra fine but really I don't Know the true. Clearly the Escher is a Ardesia but they are not in production and howere is not clear why a chinese stone 12000 grit must be bad and an Escher stone ( always Ardesia material) should be better. Thanks
Super Stones are definitely well thought of for straight razors. The Shapton 12k would also be a good choice. I like the 10k Super Stone
You have responded after 3 years 😂 Now I don't need more the answer ! That is not so correct! After the Belgian! It makes no sense to pass yo a sinteytic stone! Recreating saw teeth 😅! Unless I saw a lot if chickens doing it!!!😂😊@AnarchAngel1
@@zenrazor659 Sorry I missed the Belgian part 😅 I was responding to someone in another thread and was sitting in the pharmacy trying to kill time and read your comment real quick 😆 Somehow I missed your opening comment and got thinking about what I like to finish razors with 😁 I honestly don't think Ryky would have a clue which is why he didn't respond
Great videos, I don't mind the opening and closing being the same. I know it makes it much easier for doing Q&A sessions like this.
(CRACKING ISSUE) I´ve had some Chosera (professional model) stones for a couple of years now, and have done maybe between 50 - 100 sharpenings with different knives, chisels and so on. I´ve always treated my stones well, and never had a problem -until yesterday. I decided to try taking my Chosera 2000 with me to the woodworkshop, so I could sharpen my tools consistently through the day. but after only a couple of hours, the stone was full of cracks!
I just put a little water on the surface every now and then, and removed the worst amount of water after each sharpening/honing. I guess the stone was being held damp for too long, I dont really know.
Personally I think a "professional grade" sharpening stone, should be able to withstand repeatable sharpenings in a normal woodworking environment, where it is repeatable a little wet and damp.
Aside from being good stones, I would not recommend them for professional daily use, only for once-in-a-while sharpenings, where you can take the necessary precautions: Drying properly and completely - store in room temp with no direct sunlight.
This is just my personal experience and opinion regarding this matter.
exactly. They are SHARPENING STONES! And very expensive ones at that. You should not have to baby them, wrap towels around them and do all this crap to stop them from self destructing. It is absolutely absurd.
Honestly you got further than most people. It's a serious problem and the reason I simply won't buy them
How do take off the base?
I own the Chosera 400, 1000 and 3000. No cracks in mine yet. Have used them 15-20 times each.
I’m looking for the ULTIMATE best Leather strop on a wooden block similar to grit 8000-10000. Can I buy one of yours and pay for shipping to Copenhagen, Denmark ? Cheers, Claus
my chosera 800 does have cracks on them, after like 10 sharpening sessions, i probably have to let it dry a bit more before i put it back in the box since i leave my stones at work and i tend to sharpen them once every month after work and then hurry back home so maybe thats why...
Nope they just crack. You probably did nothing wrong
I would love a strop. Enjoying your channel mate. I've got quite a few chosera stones.. only the 5k and 10k have issues so far. Going on 4 or 5 years. I barely used both and only noticed last year that they had crazed.
Thanks for all your videos Ryky, I too have picked some naniwa’s bwatching your channel. Would love to have your high end strops. Again, thanks for your informative videos.
I see a couple of first hand reports of cracked Chosera stones in the comments, and mine cracked soon after purchase too. I never soaked them but did use rather a lot of water when sharpening and didn't thoroughly wash and dry them afterwards.
Mine are still usable, and it appears many others cracked stones are usable too.
thanks for sharing. and honesty about how you use them
It's a problem when a WATER STONE can't handle a little water IMHO
The shipping fee to Australia cost more than the actual item.
They charge massive shipping fees to make money. The actual cost of shipping to them would be a 5th of what they're charging if going by size and weight of the items.
Started watching your channel, and I find it compelling. I would love to get one of your strops from the giveaway. I would also like to see a scissor sharpening episode. I got a Chosera 800 to start practicing my skills, and was wondering if I could sharpen things other than knifes?
heey i got a question about sharpening.. i send in my santoku knife to a sharpener and when i got back they remove a ton of material out of it and the worse thing is it isnt even sharp! im so sad cause my santoku cost like 180 euro, im not a good sharpener so i tought a company would do better sadly nope :(. i have trying to get the edge back bt no sucess.. do you have any tips? when i look at my knife now im so sad that its in that state :(
Learn to sharpen it yourself. It really isn't hard to learn and it's quite rewarding. If you're paying to have it sharpened then after a few times you've probably spent enough $ that you could have bought a stone yourself.
I recommend never taking it back there if they're that bad and spread the word that they do bad work. They often use aggressive machines to sharpen knives like belt sanders. To sharpen an edge you really should be removing very little material unless you're removing a chip like Ryky has done in knife repair videos.
Make sure they haven't switched knives on you too!
Thanks for your reply, and there wasn't a chip or anything i think the worse thing i had for my knives is that the angle is bad. So i did hoped that they would put back the right angle on it. But nope it was very bad there was any "angle on it" it was almost rounded edge so bad. They used to provide decent work but kinda disappointed with them. I also have given them my sashimi knife also very bad. I guess your right, that i should learn my self.
I find sharpening my sashimi knife bit easier then a double edge. But my sashimi knife does not hold it's edge very long which is sad :( my colleague always laughing at me cause Im sharpening my knife. I think i need to buy a big sharpening stone cause the stones I have now loses their material really quickly. I did got my first Sharpton glass stone lets hope that one is good. Still sad for my santoku knife it's hardly 1 year and it's looks like it took a beating for 5 years. p.s they are using belts to sharping their knifes, but i never thought they would do a bad job at it :(
I DO like having Q&A videos periodically.
I like you having long and short versions of the same video. It would be great if you labeled them "long" and "short". that way when we're in a hurry we can bang out a video or two, in it's entirety we can learn and enjoy instead of having to wait till we get home. And not all subjects are interesting to all people. A person who couldn't afford it, might not care about a review of a Super Gou or a Miyabi Ash. Or a person like me really doesn't care to spend a LOT of time on a knife like Kuma to watch a 10 minute video, but 3 minutes might be interesting.
Keep up the great work!
Hi Ryky. I would love to try one of your strops. I was on Etsy last night close to buying one but I have a Kitayama 8000 coming on Monday. I wasn’t sure about the progression order of the strop so I wanted to ask you before I made another purchase
I didn’t know stones can crack unless you drop them a good height, shank hard at it or really try to break it.
I’ve permasoaked my stones to see if they would perform better, dropped them from about 2-3 feet multiple times by accident, used hot water on freezing cold stones because having cold hands is painfully annoying .
I’ve managed to lose only one corner across my stones from the shipping only.
But I guess anything is possible.
I guess you`re not talking about choceras or shapton pros, right? add any naniwas
Sounds like you have vitrified stones
It will crack even without soacking it, because the adhesive is only on about a quarter of the surface and the water stays between the plastic base and the stone. It's like you soaking it without knowing it.
How do I take the glue off it? I got the base off but got Glue off it.
Ryky how about a stone cracking experiment video contact naniwa get some stones and see how you can crack them permanently soaking, storing damp, too fast drying in the sun etc. There are enough cracked stone comments around and some from very new stones there is something missing about stone care, a few comments indicating it is fast drying others soaking (although some claim to never soaked and had cracks). How about advancing our collective knowledge and testing them.
Thumbs up!
I will take a strop!
As for the cracking, I have only the 400 chosera and has never cracked. Maybe they are soaking the stone?
Buffalo strop sounds like an awesome give away...I've been using an old old horse hide one that is getting worn out.
I use distilled water only when sharpening and cleaning.
Are you sure of that?
Really appreciate short daily, or near daily videos, though please don't let it cut into your longer sharpening / review video schedule.
Hi Ricky, I would like to purchase one of your new carbon fiber strips.
How can I go about that?
Thank you, Jeff from Lodi, CA.
I bought the 800 and the 3000 the 800 is perfect but the 3000 did have hair line cracks appear on the top if I use the nagara and the almost disappear I have never soaked it just splash I did use it a long time when I got it and it stayed wet for a while
I would love to have a strop
I got a 400/1000 whetstone that already should be flattened after less than 10 sharpening sessions :/ I guess my technique at the beginning was not correct
What kind of stone should I use to flatten my first one ?
Atoma diamond stones are the best in my experience. 140 for coarse stones and 400 for finer stones. There are of course other options but those work very well and are very durable and long lasting
Hey ryky can you please test chosera 800 against Naniwa Professional Stone 800 to see if any difference them thanks
he already did. check the videos. maybe in the other channel, ryky tran.
I bought both of them a couple weeks ago, and unfortunately they have both started developing cracks. I had thought I was maintaining them well enough by removing water and letting them dry off before storage and never soaking them. But who knows, kinda sucks really
Get it taken care of. Return them to wherever you bought them, or email the Chosera ppl.
@@xenonram Naniwa won't help at all...
Hi Ryky i love Youri video's ! Everytime i learn a little more! Also like the gave aways, but are younalso zending to the netherlands?
Hey ryky just to let you know the link to amazon for these stones are not the same stone as you have as the ones selling on amazon is for the super stones as I bought the 800 arrived also the number on the side of your stone is 140606 for the 800 chosera just to make other members aware before they commit to buy
Kind regards
i just got my 3k chosera but I'm wondering why this one looks like yours ( with the plastic base ). The ones on all the sharpening sites and even Naniwas site have a totally different package and no base.
You got the Chosera still sold in Japan. The ones without the base are called the "Professional" series and are mainly for export
I just checked mine. They looked perfect dry, but when I got my hand wet and rubbed the side I could see all of the micro cracks.
Hi Ryky. I would like to remind myself. Could you record the video how to sharp serrated bread knife? Thank you.
bread knives should be considered "disposable". You CAN sharpen them, but it is worth less to just buy a new one than to spend the labor to sharpen one. How much is your time worth?
Harrison Hamada Well sometimes personal satisfaction is worthless.
I think they might be talking about chosera stones used on sharpening systems which are much thinner so they can fit on the device.
Definitely want a demo strop! I'd be happy to pay
first demo units available kit.com/Burrfection/burrfection-gear-strops
Quit teasing with the carbon fiber, my fiance' already said I can't buy one.... I'm probably still buying one. RIP me.
A stropping good time!!
I think you are just reeeeally happy with the new carbon fiber
I havent had any problems with my naniwa professional stones either. And some times even put them away a little damp to.
Think the people that have problems have them in temperature swinging places
knife sharpening norway either that or they water them too much. I have 5 Choseras aswell and no issues at all. Use them, let them dry a few days at room temperature and put them away.
MrWeedpeet ive even put mine away damp several times without any problems.
Love mine thats for sure
Definitely want a demo strop! But I am living in Malaysia.:)
first demo units available kit.com/Burrfection/burrfection-gear-strops
My god i wasnt watching you for a time and you already got 60k subs
Congrats 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🎉🥂
welcome back! been working a lot?
Burrfection more my school then work but also new news (did you see what i did there XD, im not funny i know) but the shapton pro 320 and chosera 800 is ariving soon
With a folding knife the Spyderco Dragonfly 2 its nice with a ZDP-189 Steel hardened to 64 on the hrc
Thats hard and thats what she said 😂😂
Have a nice day got a lot to watch btw.
@burrfection you can remove the base
I have the 800 and 3000 they are both cracked but it doesn't really affect them for me so far, we shall see if they continue to work as time passes. I have used them for about 6 months sense they cracked.
My #800 hasn't cracked, only my #3000. It still works perfectly fine tho like you said
Could just have been a bad batch of stones. It happens. Or poor handling during transport in the process and over time it led to a crack.
I brought a sharping stone at your store and wrote a comment , please check
have you ever studied how the Japanese polishers used stones to polish Japanese swords and what kind of stones used. very interesting and the art and talent it takes to do that.
My 1000 has hairline cracks but my 5000 does not yet. The 5000 I have heard is the most prone to cracks from what I have found on the internet. I have not used the 5000 as much yet though. I never soak
Yo this is the third time in a row you've uploaded a video with the exact same beginning and end bits. What's going on? The Q&A videos are great, but the same beginning explanation, strop sales pitch and end hype for whatever that thing is on every video is getting a bit old.
Duck Moore you’re not happy cause he’s not giving you free stuff?
It doesn't matter if stones get hairline cracks. As long as they don't break. Saying that, i have dozens of stones i use for polishing and not just sharpening. They are used A LOT and for a whole day in one sitting. The only stone that has cracked on me is a king traditional 300. Also a natural Aoto, but it had an inclusion in it. Really wouldn't worry about them cracking as it does not affect their performance as long as they don't break in half.
Would love to try one of your strops. Virtuovice says cracking of Chosera stones comes from soaking.
I would really like to win one. Keep up the good work
I also have the chosera 800 and 300. I use them regularly and no cracking. I think some people lean too heavily on the stone when sharpening. This really does not help with the sharpening and might make the stones crack?
I have a Chosera 800. It is 50% used. I dont have a ton of stones like Ryky. I use it for knives and woodworking tools like chisels and plane blades. No cracking whatsoever. Great stone. Im thinking that if people are indeed having issues with them, it may be from soaking them when they are a splash n Go. Or they drop them or bang them against other stones. Most people don't treat their stuff properly. And there are other companies that have people put out bogus reviews of their competition, and Chosera is the main one, to sway people away and hopefully get sales. It is a top notch company and product. I will be buying more.
would love one of your strops, not tried buffalo before (you dont get many of them in the UK)
I have Chosera 600 and 1000 for about 2 years and they are still perfect.
People who ruin their Choseras probably do so by soaking them in water
I never soak them and I always dry-wrap them with paper towels
I never recommend chosera to anyone... wasted too much money on stones that crack under normal use. Its hit or miss, you get good ones or you don't. Its mainly 2k and up. 5k is by far the most prone, and its a 150 dollar stone. It is absolutely something you have to worry about.
In fact, I tried another stone by a brand I won't name that has the same style binder as the chosera... cracked its self all the heck just as fast. I got about 3 sharpenings out of my 5k before I simply had to through it away as it crumbled into pieces.
Just wondering, if the Chosera 3000 is a no no, then what would you recommend as an equivalent to replace it? Thanks.
If you want to stay in the same hardness of stone, try a shapton pro 2k. Or a suehiro cerax. I guess you could look up the relative micron value and do it that way. I have never used a chosera 3k so I am not exactly sure what the scratch pattern is. Why do you want a 3k? Any particular reason? Just remember, grit rating has nothing to do with the micron... grit is just a number manufacturers give to rate their own stones... they mean nothing when compared to stones by a different brand.
@@glytch5 I use a Chosera 3000 for my polishing stone, but it's cracking, after only a dozen uses. I like the stone, and the finish it gives, so I figured I'd look for something similar, in a different brand.
Can you recommend a good resource (website/forum) where I can learn more about all this? I'm pretty new to sharpening.
Thanks.
Ah I see. the forums are all going to say the same thing. They will just keep spewing the same crap about wrapping the stone in towels, not soaking them and bla bla bla bla. The fact of the matter is, you got a bad stone like most of us. they either crack or they don't, its luck of the draw. If you have other chosera stones not cracking, the best thing for them is distilled or deionized water... that seems to help a lot for me.
@@glytch5 I do have a Chosera 400 and 800 that I've had for the same amount of time as the 3000 and so far, no problems with those, so what you're saying does make a lot of sense.
I'll look on Amazon and see if I can find another 3000. Give it one more shot and hope to get a better stone this time.
Thanks for the info. Appreciated.
I just did a UA-cam search on chosera stone crack. Only a handful of people have had this happen. That is a very small percentage considering how many stones that company sells. I would say they have sold hundreds of thousands of stones and having 5 people have one that is cracking is like a small percent of 1 percent in faulty product.
Would love a strop I am a meat cutter and never used one befor.:) socal here
Ill buy a strop if it is loaded /and the price is reasonable. I would like to give back to your channel!
I had cracks on my choceras. I didn`t soaked them, but I have washed them in the sink.
And I think these stones are not made to have a lot of use. I mean if they can`t stay wet for a long period and we need the stone wet to sharpen..
And you have a ton of stones. Your choceras had like 60 sections? But those who only own them, like me (I do have others, but I only used my choceras), will use them a LOT more. I estimate I`ve used mines for like 200 times at least.
Anyway, these stones are very fragile and do require care. That`s all I can say. And I believe I told about my problem like 2 years ago and I kept using them.
Right now, I`m in the US and don`t have them here so... Are you selling some 800 and 3000? lol
Add: no issues in the stones under 1k grid. I don`t think the 400 will ever crack.
many people won`t even notice the cracks until they look for that. It`s a hair line that many times can only be seen in certain conditions like just after wet...
I think not a few people had the cracked, BUT most users had them cracked.
I knew about the issue related to soaking before buying, virtuovice channel.. So, it`s obvious that I took care of my stones and that was not enough.
Most people that say that those who had issues didn`t take proper care or not have the Choceras or used them once in a while and less then 50 times.
Please I want a loaded strop ! Comment every vid!
Strop!
Maybe their leaving them in water or soaking them.
Don't soak naniwa
I wanna buy some demo strops!
first demo units available kit.com/Burrfection/burrfection-gear-strops
I personally think that cracking problems come with bad storage. I never had a cracked stones,I also have chosera 1k and 3k. As long as you don't soak them in water and leave them to dry on the sides of a towel or cloth they should be ok. My stones sometimes take 2-3 days to dry off completely this depends where you live as well how hot it is in the room that you store them (humidity,etc.) and then I put them away in their boxes.
Hi, Sergio from Argentina. I own 4 choseras. The 800 has 4 uses and is cracked the 1000 is cracked also. If you pass me the email I will send you pictures... your choseras are old... mabe this problem is more serious with the New ones...
I have a few theories, either people apply too much pressure while sharpening or flattening (this one is heavily overlooked too), or maybe they over soaked it and didn't realized.
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Don't assume I didn't take proper care of my stone sometimes you just get one that cracks not saying they're not good stones but I do take care of my stuff people on here talking as if your Stones cracked because you don't take care of your stuff I take good care of my things.
Third video in a row which has the same beginning and end. Come on man, mix it up.