Get 20% OFF + Free Shipping with code ARNETT at mnscpd.com/JonnyArnett #manscapedpartner Who (other than Wilt) do you think could have handled 48 minutes per game? CORRECTION: During LeBron's section, I said his Heat won 33 straight games. That was a brain fart. lol. His Heat won 27 straight games, and were pursuing the 72 Lakers 33 game streak, but ultimately came up short. Just got it mixed up in my head.
Whoa there my guy - you said MJ's best statistical season was 87, but his 88 season was better on every point other than ppg. That's certainly a miss - especially since he shot 53% in '88 vs 48 in '87
I'm continuously amazed at the people who belittle his accomplishments. He was fast, amazingly athletic, a fierce competitor, and clearly one of the, if not the greatest ever. And the "But Bill Russell" people? Well, imagine if, all those years, Wilt had played for the Celtics, and Bill was on the poorer teams. Would Bill have all the rings? Or would the Celtics have been even more dominant? And remember, the greatest rebounding game in history, 55 boards? Wilt got those playing against Russel and the Celtics. And, believe me, I think Bill Russell was great, and admire him immensely. And Bill respected Wilt a lot more than these armchair critics do.
The fact Timmy's best season per-48 minutes is nearly identical to Giannis' best season on regular minutes is very telling as to why Giannis is already among the GOATs at his position.
@@jonnyarnett from a purely objective standpoint Giannis should win this years MVP, but he probably wont. He outclasses embiid in almost every major statistical category and Jokic shouldn't win it either because he almost falls out of the playoffs with his nuggets.
Yes but also you have to take into account the fast pace, more threes and free throws, whereas Duncan played in the slower era. Also Timmy never was a stats guy, team first for Tim, in a Spurs system that dulled individual exploits.
David Stern said it correctly "Wilt Chamberlain cast a shadow over the NBA" that's why people continually hate on Wilt Chamberlain, when comparing players Wilt Chamberlain's name gets brought up as a cornerstone cemented into the conversation, and people just don't like that...
To be fair, his numbers look insane but a large part of that is the huge number of possessions in the 60s. His numbers are still impressive, but less so, on a per possession basis.
honestly i feel it’s less impressive considering the sheer amount of minutes he played along with FG attempts. he avgd over 30 shots a game for his career 5 different times. of course he’d score a lot.
@@TrUeGaMeR2011 do you have any idea how hard it would be to score 50ppg and play 48.5 minutes per game no matter who you are? even in the video every single player who got their minutes boosted are still behind wilts best season in scoring
@@snazzrazzmazzlejazz8974 Wilt's stamina may be even more impressive than his athletic abilities. This man played 48 minutes in a pace 20% faster than today's NBA while shooting 30 times and grabbing 25 rebounds
@@jop3249 yes but the 1960s was a faster paced era with more possessions and shot attempts. If you put every great on the same per 36 minute and per 100 possessions comparison you would have a better idea of who had the best seasons.
Johnny - Video suggestion: After passing Karl Malone in all-time scoring last night it appears Lebron will break Kareem's record next season. It will be Lebron's 20th season - same as Kareem. How about a "What if every GOAT played 20 seasons" video?
I love that idea, it reminds me of the 10yr stats, that Johnny Arnett did, but it'll be much harder because it goes into the realm of a big "what if" I know Wilt Chamberlain would have the block record for those extra seven seasons, and he would leave the Lakers and go to a team where he can score more points again. People forget Wilt Chamberlain could have put the scoring point record so far out of reach for everybody else, but he didn't, we got to remember Wilt Chamberlain was the fastest to get to 5,000 points 10,000 points 15,000 points 20,000 points 25,000 points 30,000 points, that's more impressive than getting it over longevity
I don't like this idea simply because it goes too far into the "What if" arena and reality never works like we believe it would have. And the problem I have with it is that the video would be entertaining. But, I take Jonny's videos as real NBA academic historical arguments and this delves too much into fantasy.
@@TheTenCentStory understood but it's not different than this video and comparing people's per 48 minute stats. Obviously, keeping up the same per 48 minute numbers over 82 games is purely hypothetical. The purpose of the 20 year video would also be hypothetical. Would Magic have the assist record if he played 20 years? Would Wilt or MJ have the scoring record? How insane would Wilt's rebounding totals be? We obviously don't know but would be fun just to make the comparisons.
@@masmirage I'll make it clear that I do like the idea. But I think the difference is that this video is at least using established numbers and extending the time on the same games on those current numbers. This is hypothetical. Yet structured in real game numbers and extending the game time playing. Your video idea is using established numbers and assumes the player will be as productive a year or many years later with an unlimited amount of unknown variables. Using real game numbers and extending the time with years. Way more inaccurate. This video does get into fantasy as many of Jonny's videos do. But while talking about unknown years of someone's career you can't even predict the team a player might have played for or even a role on that team.
You have to factor in possession per game as well wilt played in the fast era in league history. The average possessions per game in 62 was 120. Compare that to 05-06 where league average was 88 possessions and today is 107
doing that Michael Jordan 1987-98 would've put 61.5 ppg/ 8.7 rpg / 7.6 apg, adjusting to his Bull's 95.5 pace against Wilt's 132, you can d the same with other players, and thir numbers would be just as eye popping, Wilt's 50 ppg season is one of the most overrated seasons of all time.
They couldn't play the minutes that Wilt played. Plus he played both ends of the court. Phil Jackson told Shaq about Wilt's stamina so Shaq thought he could do it too but after a couple of games he opted out.
Phil Jackson Challenged Shaq to play 48 MPG like Wilt Chamberlain did. Shaq lasted 7 games; after a 2OT against the Jazz, John Salley told Phil Jackson to give Shaq Rest. Shaq’s Stats: 7 GP 46.6 MPG 26 PPG 14 RPG 5 APG 5 BPG 51.7 TS% -0.6 rTS%
That's in '00 NBA against players who are trained. Wilt averaged 22 points a game against the great centers in the 60's. He only dominated the dudes who were 6'5 Centers, some who had other jobs in the summer. You'd be surprised how many bad centers were in the league back then. Then, the new rules wouldn't allow Wilt to dominate in Shaq's era. The wings back then shot 28% from beyond 10 feet so almost 80% of all shots were around the rim. Once the shooters got better, the other positions became more of an an emphasis. Wilt was a monster for his time. After the league got better, followed by some key rule changes, Wilts numbers dropped dramatically before the age of 30.... From 29 to 37, he averaged only 21 pts per game on a 43 minutes per game average.
Might be the only time Shaq backs into a player to get into position and gets pushed forward. Or I am probably exagerating Wilt's strength as Shaq was a heavy guy with a lot of leg strength to move that mass.
Wilt played 48.5 minutes in Converse, with 60's transportation, and put up these numbers against teams that featured all the best players in the NBA and had constant practice learning to play against him. It's not like he ever played against low talent teams to inflate his numbers. The real question is, who do you think could play 48 minute against the 7 best teams in the league without ever putting on basketball shoes or having a trainer, competent coach, or even decent nutrition
@@skynyrdjesus More than three seasons but yeah he didn't last consistently with one all of his career or huge chunk of his career like Russel or Jordan
The bronsexuals would say any of the top players you see on courtside films youtube channel. Those skinny tatted dreadlocked brothas could dominate the slow white pro players of the 1950's and 60's right bronsexuals??
4:04 when Wilt played, this was called "traveling" AKA carrying the ball. These moves added a lot of points for Kobe, Lebron and many others. Illegal in Wilt's era.
Players today need rest games and unfortunately oft get injured while playing around 35-39mpg. Increase this to 45+ mpg and their total games played will drop further. And while they may not even need the minimum 58 games to win the scoring title it just isn’t the same. (Season per game leaders need a minimum of 58 games played (since 13-14) to be eligible - however can still technically win it if their adjusted average per 58 games is better than anyone else’s (total points scored through games played / 58 game minimum) - ie how Myles Turner still won BPG in 20-21). This is where Wilts 48.5mpg becomes even more impressive - he didn’t miss any games. That over a three year stretch he still averaged 48mpg and still didn’t miss any games. The fact that Wilt ranks 9 (NBA only) in career minutes played while only playing 14 seasons it is very remarkable, most other players in the top 20 have 250+ more games than him. Oscar Robertson is the closed in games played (-5) is way down at 22.
Yeah for context just running 48 minutes a day on consecutive days is a big ask for anyone who is not a regular runner. Then add variable pace, jumping and wrestling for position never mind performing skillfull shots, blocks, rebounds, training and traveling to and from the venue for road games. Players had to be just as fit aa now, without the current sports science knowledge.
Sure, you could ask Lebron to play 48 minutes a night. He could do that for 4-5 nights until he would get injured or lose stamina. No player could average 48 for an entire season. That’s why you can’t take anything away from Wilt.
If players like LeBron dramatically increased his minutes, it would also massively eat into his longevity. There's a lot of give-and-take factors at play.
@@theinktician Wilt still averaged almost as many minutes for the second half of his career (never less than 42) and he only had one season where he missed a significant number of games due to injury and still averaged excellent rebounding numbers (leading the league his last three seasons) while putting up some of the best field goal percentages of his career. The only thing that significantly dropped was his scoring and that's not indicative of a lack of scoring ability because he did have some big scoring games late in his career on occasion, albeit not as big as earlier in his career and with less frequency. The reason why Wilt didn't put up the same scoring numbers in the second half of his career was because he just didn't need to. Basically in his Warrior days, he needed to score 40 every night just to have a chance for his team to win games because he was by far the most efficient and capable scorer on some teams that otherwise lacked big time scorers. Whereas in Philly and LA, Wilt had big time scorers on his teams. You can read about how the Sixers hiring Alex Hannum changed the team's strategy and Wilt's game changed significantly as a result. Hannum convinced Wilt that the team would play better if he didn't focus as much on scoring and focus his efforts on defense and spreading the ball around. Wilt bought into it and the result was that his teams had better records than earlier in his career and he won a championship, multiple MVPs, and led the league in assists while still leading the league in rebounding and probably leading the league in blocked shots if that had been an official stat. But he could still score which is made clear by a few 60 point games in 67 and 69, the last of which still holds the record for being the oldest player to score more than 60 points. But Wilt could have absolutely averaged 30 a game in those later seasons but didn't need to for his team to win and he could have played a few more years if he wanted to.
@@kristenvespera4835 Wilt was inferior as he got older tho. He was stronger but not as much vert or speed or agility. I can't even find his fadeaway in his la years so I'm assuming less touch too
Would have could have - no way. This is one reason Wilt's numbers are so insane. To say "Well in Wilt's Day they averaged 120 possessions a game vs 88 possessions a game today so that means if you add 30 more possessions a game for today's players then their stats would increase by 25%". No they wouldn't! Players today have to rest with 88 possessions a game - so add 30 more possessions and players would be resting even more and their chance of injury with increased possessions / increased playing time would increase. No player in history is going to play a full 48- minute game - for a full season! Other than Wilt! They can't. This argument makes no sense - it's like a player playing one quarter and scoring 20 points and grabbing 10 rebounds in that quarter. If the player didn't play the rest of the game - you wouldn't say, "He scored 80 points and grabbed 40 rebounds for the game. He didn't!" Nothing is stopping any player from playing all the minutes of a game - but they don't because they can't. If a player could play every minute of every game - he would but he can't! And again the insane number of minutes Wilt played at a high level for the entire game - entire season makes Wilt's accomplishments all the more incredible.
Couple of points to take note of: 1.) pace of game was faster in 60s (including Wilts historic season). If we adjust for pace, averages of other 8 GOAT candidates would also improve because Wilts 50 point season had fastest pace out of all other seasons presented in this video. 2) impressive averages of current players are product (among other things) of inflated number 3 pointers and softening of defense (game was opened up for perimeter players in last 15 years). That being said, I loved this video. It really shows what beast Wilt truly was. He is the only player that played those minutes because he was the only one that could actually do it!
AND this ERA has also INFLATED STATS like ASSISTS AND REBOUNDS. WILT would average 20 assists if every pass he made outside counted as an assist. His rebounds would probably be the same since he wouldnt have to battle other players and get uncontested REBOUNDS.
Correct. Now all stats are inflated. More shots and no defense mean more points, more assists, more rebounds, less risk of injury, less stamina needed. Imagine a clown like Harden trying to deal with the Knicks' defense of the mid 90s for example. Or the Pistons in the late 80s/early 90s. I'm not saying they should legalize battery like it was in that era, but at least a minimum of effort should be required to drive into the lane and pad your stats. Now it's basically a cross between street basket and an all-star game.
@@Diospepreco harden would dominate since teams back then had no zone defense and ISO ball was the most prominent way to score and harden just so happens to be one of the best ISO players of all time.
@@dododump3144 Normally i dont answer LOW IQ people...because its a waste of time. BUT i will try this time. YES REBOUNDS were inflated on WITLS ERA. But they were due to the PACE of the game. But there was always at least 2 players from each team trying to get the rebound and fighting to get the ball.. NOW there are no BIGS near the rim because they are all outside shooting and now most of the rebounds are uncontested. DO YOU understand what uncontested REBOUNDS mean?? Thats why CP3 just broke his CAREER rebounding record with 0 offensive rebounds. THATS why KONCHAR a 6,5ft SG got 17 rebounds this season. SO NOW REBOUNDS are INFLATED.
You should also note that in the sixties and early seventies, teams would play about five back to back to back games per season. And it was possible to play on four or even five consecutive nights. That makes the 48 minutes played per game even more astounding. In his triple double season, Oscar played 45 minutes per game. It was a much different time, and a much different game.
Even though Wilt's stats are mainly because he played that many minutes, it is still amazing as hell, because I highly doubt that the other crazy statlines would have been possible if other greats played that miny minutes bacause they need crazy stamina to do that(which probably they don't have) and also I am 100% sure their production and efficiency would drop significantly if they play that many minutes in every single game.
Wilt has to be the GOAT. Not only did he have the strength and stamina to dominate for 48 minutes every game, but he also allegedly had the stamina to sleep with over 20,000 women 😅🤪 But in all seriousness, great vid and looking forward to the Alvin Robertson vid. He's definitely one of the most underrated defenders of all time.
Great video. I'm also curious about taking certain historic games and moments and extending those to a full 48 minutes. Who was on the hottest hot streak when you factor in the minutes they played?
The problem with some of the numbers is comparing eras and the rules in different eras. Especially today, the defensive numbers just aren't there because the rules are more geared toward the offense. If you notice almost all the top block numbers came from the mid 80s, 5 out of 8 of the scoring was from 2016-2021, steals were all 1991 or earlier. Wilt's numbers being what they are even going against the bloated scoring of todays era just makes it even more impressive.
Indeed. A lot of other videos of mine tackle those factors. The best per 48 stats come from the 60s and the last 5 years, but those were also the highest scoring eras of NBA History, so it makes sense.
I would love to see the comparison of stats based on possessions. I don’t know if it would give some insight but that’s a fair way to compare eras imo.
The issue is the rules have gotten so much easier…. So wilt would average even more points on better efficiency…. I seriously doubt those players would keep there efficiency….
PEOPLE are forgeting that IN HIS ERA he couldnt use his strenght to back other players in the post. AND that assists were only forward passes to players near the rim. SO HE would average 20 assists because now they give assist to almost every pass.
@@dododump3144 SAYS the GUY with no arguments at all.. DO you know that on WILTs ERA players couldnt back up the opponents in the paint? SO WILT couldnt use his strenght ..
@@Cheif_Espada what? The 3 second in the key was a rule before wilt even joined the league…. And zone defenses are you forgetting zones were added in 2002 at the end of Shaqs peak? And btw wilt did get zoned that’s all they ever did to him, he legit told shaq that he wouldn’t have to deal with zone defenses like he did
Serge Ibaka was that great defensively in 2012. The NBA did not want to give him all-nba defensive honors in favor of bigger names. But basketball fans knew how good he was. As his defense got worse he made up for it with by improving his offense
That’s insane! The amount of rebounds in the 60’s is just nuts. I think Kobe and MJ might have even averaged more points, but it’s hard to say since you can only go on averages. This would be interesting to see if players playing the full 48 would have had an impact on playoff series. Maybe a team could’ve squeaked out a series when they didn’t normally. Man this has me thinking of all kinds of stuff. Haha.4
I've always liked saying that Giannis was proof that Wilt would've been dominate in any era, and the many players from different eras could've succeeded in just abt any era. That Giannis per 48 only helps prove it. Loved the video!
Between the high minutes, pace of the game, and low average field goal percentage during the game it's easy to see how certain stats are inflated. Same as some stats today are inflated.
The reason why 6 current NBA players were in the top 10 of scoring per 48, is due to how it is monumentally easier to score in the league now, than it was in the 80's and 90's, and decades prior. It really isn't fair to compare them
One needs to consider Wilt's complete athletic package to understand why so many of his records won't be broken . He played all those minutes often double and triple defended yet was able to compete all minutes. Nobody then or since had his complete physical skill set. Listen to the instance playing pickup with college students against Magic and other Laker starters. He himself shut them out. Phil Jackson said he play below his ability much of the time. No one then or since could touch him. Bill Russel himself said Wilt was always the smartest guy on the floor.
I think the most likely candidates for a possible 48 MPG season would be a younger LeBron and/or Giannis. I remember I went to a Jazz/Bucks game (as a Bucks fan living in Utah, it was a win-win for me) in March 2019. Giannis played 32 minutes and had 43 pts, 14 reb, and 8 ast, while Donovan Mitchell played 39 minutes, and had 46 pts, 6 ast, and 3 reb. (Apparently, upon review of the game I just did, Derrick Favors had a 23 point, 18 reb game in 32 minutes, as well.) If Giannis had played the full 48 minutes that night, he would've scored 64 points and had 21 rebounds. And Mitchell would've scored 57.
My question is what's so different about wilts era compare to the era we live in now? This new era of basketball is horrible in terms of defense teams can put 130 points a game each combined, I feel like this era has watered down so much compared to the golden age era and to me one of the factors why lebron is still very efficient (offensively only). I feel like the only difference is that today's players are more "skilled" and there is finally a 3 point basket which in wilts day there was not.
@@nbabackcourtmedia yes. He's definitely top 3 and definitely on the same level as MJ and Lebron even though it is difficult to compare them directly due to playing different positions and having different skillsets.
@@kristenvespera4835 I think based on what your basketball ideologies are, you can have wilt in your top 3 or 5 or whatever and I’m not gonna shame you for it, but he’s not an undisputed member of that tier like MJ and LeBron are.
17 finals also 33.6 ppg 12 rpg 10 apg it's almost identical,a little better actually, than the inflated per 48 minutes. And he was not selfish they needed every stat he got . This 17 finals against top2 team all time gets overlooked
Look I'm not an old head for 60s-70s basketball but Wilt was beyond a monster, physical freak of nature, the only reason why his stats aren't higher is because he didn't make them higher on purpose. Let that sink in. I've seen interviews with Wilt Chamberlin, when he says he chose not to score more points, he literally means it was his choice, no one would/could stop him if he really wanted to go higher and even in that self-nerfed state he still produce numbers. That lets me know he wasn't bluffing. That is no mortal man. That is a basketball god.
If any other modern player played 48minutes per game, not only they would not be as effective, but I bet all of them will get an injury mid season or their performances would drop strongly after only 15 games if they play all 82
Let's do the reverse where you limit Wilt's numbers to just 36 minutes. I think his efficiency would go up alot. Playing all 48 minutes is all the more impressive that he was doing so much blocking, running, rebounding and scoring over 48 minutes during the highest tempo era in the leagues history. It stands to reason his efficiency would go up tremendously if he were to only play 36 minutes. If the players today played 48 minutes they wouldn't last. Half of the stars are getting injured already playing only 32 minutes.
This also tells me that without handchecking and the 3 second defensive rule, how much easier it is to score and create offensive statistics in this era of nba basketball 🤷♂️..
if Wilt only played 32 minutes a game, his per 48 stats would be even more astronomical. You have to pace yourself to play the whole game. That's just common sense.
Wilt Chamberlain was in top notch shape is the reason he could play every minute of every game. I don't think that he ever fouled out of a game. He got ejected one time. I don't think that the players of today could play with the intensity that he played with and play every minute of every game and put up the numbers that he did!!!
Because of the vast differences in pace between eras, Wilt got way more possessions in his 48 minutes than most of the others did. This should probably be based on per 100 possessions instead. Also, other things make a difference, like people in general being worse shooters back then, so there were more rebound available, and obvi the fact there was no three point line, etc
Another Awesome vid Wilt also avg well over 10 blocks a game which can be researched via newspaper articles and nba archives. This takes insane amount of energy given all the other areas of the game he’s also dominating numbers in. And I doubt any of these other guys remain healthy enough to keep up with these minutes and numbers with wilts pace. We can see that the more you play especially nonstop, the more energy it takes and more fatigue wears on you. Even with the slower paces It’s highly unlikely that these guys put up these numbers that are calculated on if their performance stays the exact same and not their fatigue dropping let alone the circumstances wilt faces such as referee allowing pummeling defenses just for wilt, strict violation rules, no offensive fouls to score, 8-14 teams where you play nothing but the best of the best players and more often than a 30 league team where you can rest more or have easier games against more lesser players that wouldn’t have made a league with no room for them from the mid 60s-early 70setc…. But even in a universe where we think the per 48 is a reality to say what a player would exactly do if they played all 48 ignoring their inferiority to Wilts stamina as an athlete, it’s incredible how Wilt is still top of the very top of the list scoring rebounding Playmaking and defending combined. Amazing video
Wilt is the greatest physical force the nba and even modern times have seen. Even a 60 old wilt was stronger then a prime shaq shown by there lefting competition.
In respect to you're video, Wilt Chamberlain was an anomaly in his era because of a number of factors, not least being his early teams had good players but none with the class of say, the celtics! This ment that his coaches when deciding to pick the team had almost always to accept by removing wilt chamberlain from playing, they removed the best scorer from medium to long range (wilt), the best dunker (wilt) best blocker (wilt) best assists (wilt) best rebounder (wilt) fastest player (wilt) strongest player (wilt) most tireless player (wilt) the list goes on and on! So it's easy to see why, the team coaches opted to leave wilt chamberlain on, one because wilt wanted to play and secondly because it would have been like a manager sending off Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman and Michael Jordan all at once, the team would have lost three of its best players, while in wilt Chamberlain's case he was always the best player in all categories in his early career, so it was literally destroying your best option to reach the playoffs by taking him off the court! The coaches used wilt Chamberlain's attributes to reach the playoffs even knowing that the celtics had the best overall team options and just reducing wilt Chamberlain's scoring was sufficient to win multiple titles for the celtics, (no wonder Bill Russell stated about Wilt Chamberlain, I'm the only man who knows how good you are! ) because Bill accepted wilt chamberlain was a step above any other player in the NBA during their many years facing each other in the playoffs or finals!
Just goes to show that Wilt is really a monster. He actually did it and with absurd numbers too. I don't know what old school players eat or do but man they are inhuman compared to average players nowadays. I was baffled that pitchers back then throws 2-3x more. Basketball players are playing so much minutes. NFL players are playing almost every game. Would someone explain this to me?
I would say it has to do with the culture , the attitudes of players were very different . Suiting up every night was the norm. Wanting to go out there and give it your all and entertain the fans who spent their hard earned money to come and watch their teams play. I definitely think that the reason pro athletes played the game was for a hell of alot more than just the money since the NBA , NFL and MLB are far bigger leagues now and the lavish lifestyles, far massive revenues for players and fame are the norm now
Now do the reverse also. What if Wilt had the technology of today afforded to him? -Shoes -med tech to heal quicker and last longer than 13 seasons lol -better travel and hotels which many note has already kind of muted the home court advantage which once was obvious -today's rules of no touching -today's spacing and only 1 person in the paint But nice video and mirrors my comments from a tiktok video I made about him. So many suggest it was because he was taller than everyone else...I mentioned no it was because he did the main thing others were unwilling to do, or simply were not in shape enough to do...he played every minute of every game. No "load management" lol
No other athlete of the past or present could EVER do what Wilt Chamberlain did. Maybe a selected few players could average 48 minutes a game for a season if they paced themselves but Wilt played every minute of every game in the 1961-62 season while the Philadelphia Warriors depended on him and him alone to average 48.5 minutes a game AND be the top scorer ( 50.4 points) , top rebounder ( 25.7 rebounds) and top shot blocker in the entire league all at once. Basketball requires constant explosive strength AND stamina , the wear and tear on the body , jumping and running down the court all game long for 80 complete games . He did this all in chuck taylors, in the fastest pace in nba history , running like 40+ more times than he would today up and down the court while suffering ZERO injuries and standing over 7'1 barefoot and 285+ pounds. The vast majority of people don't understand the type of athletic ability Wilt needed to have in order to accomplish such a feat. He had no personal trainers , no 21st century state of the art world class, luxurious training facilities , recovery science , pampering , modern shoes and all the advantages pro athletes have today . Wilt was THE supernatural genetic freak that transcends time and is by far the greatest athlete in recorded history. To compare anyone to The Big Dipper in terms of raw physical prowress is a complete fucking joke
You have to adjust for pace. Pace is an even more significant factor when it comes to per game averages. Wilt's 1962 Warriors averaged 132 possessions per game. MJ's Bulls were 89-98 possessions per game depending on the year. Also, Wilts rebounding numbers aren't just inflated due to pace and minutes, but also the abysmal FG percentage during his era. Wilt averaged 27 of his teams 79 rebounds in 62, nearly every rebounding champion in thr last 20 years averaged a higher percentage of their teams total rebounds, there were just a lot less rebounds available because players were much better at actually getting the ball to go in the basket lol
Any analyst who does both pace and minutes played together doesn't know what they are doing. If you can't play a full game at a pace of 90, how you gonna play a full game at a pace of 133? Also, a slower pace favors a more efficient game. FG% goes down as pace increases
@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 The problem is in your assumption that a player "can't" play a full game. Superstars do it all the time when nessesary. It's just that coaches today aren't stupid enough to let a player play 48 minutes every night, especially not in the regular season. If Wilt played today his coach wouldn't have him in the game for 48.5 minutes per game. Modulating players minutes is part of strategy. Also, just because per 100 stats are perfect doesn't mean that per game stats with no pace adjustment are better lol. Wilt CANNOT average 50 points in 90 possessions, he was only able to do that because of pace. Also, your efficiency argument is the reason we use rTS, not TS. Guys like LBJ, MJ, KD etc weren't just more efficient than Wilt, they were farther above league average during their careers than Wilt was during his.
@@Youngster543210 I'll give you a documented case. In 2000, Phil Jackson challenged Shaq to play 48 minutes a game like Wilt. He tried but couldn't do it. He gave up after a few(7?) games. He averaged 39.5 minutes a game that year at a pace of 91.7. Do you really think he could play more minutes at a pace of 133.1? There are some that could probably do it, but assuming that they would have the same efficiency is foolish.
@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 Shaq averaged 45 minutes in the 2001 finals. He was also literally the least conditioned example you could have used lol. And whether Wilt could play 48 minutes or not is irrelevant if his coaches won't allow him to. Every guard could play 48 minutes, their coaches just don't allow them to because its stupid. And even if Wilt played 48 minutes in the 90's he'd still only see about 90 possessions compared to the 130 he saw in the 60's. Assuming his scoring rate remained the same he'd only be averaging 27 playing 48 minutes over 90 possessions, Shaq averaged 27-30 playing 36 - 38 minutes over 70-75 possessions lol. Wilt's efficiency would literally have to skyrocket to like 65 percent just to keep up with Shaq in PPG, or his per possession scoring rate would have to increase significantly. On top of that he'd be playing against far better competiton. Also, everybody in Shaq's era played at a slower pace, so all of Shaq's contemporaries got to benefit from the same efficiency improving effect from slower play, meanwhile Shaq's rTS is still higher than Wilt's. Wilts stats are wildly inflated, thats just a fact dude. 👌
@@Youngster543210 In the finals, no way he could do it for a full season, which is what is being proposed here. Also, guys today get hurt playing 30 minutes a game, they wouldn''t last trying to play a whole season of 48 minutes. There isn't a guy today who could do it. There's only one guy who actually did it. The only one I believe had a chance to do it was Iverson.
Love this channel and cool to look at these numbers, but this only works in theory. There is a reason players don’t play 48 mins a game. It’s not physical possible to keep up max energy. It doesn’t matter who you are, everybody gets tired. That’s just facts.
He still has many records that will probably never be broken. In his rookie season 37.6 PPGA 27 rebounds averaged. I think most rookies would like to have just 1 game in their rookie season that he averaged for 72 games.
Jordan's 88' season per 48 minutes. Points per game 41.96 Assists per game 7.10 Rebounds per game 6.57 Steals per game 3.79 Blocks per game 1.91 53.5% FG%
So Wilt still holds the record (just) if you inflate other players to 48mpg (and drop his), but that margin grows further when you factor in reduced efficiency. And no mention that blocks weren’t recorded in Bill and Wilt era. Wilts efficiency is pretty relative to his FGA, which is a sign of the era too.
if you put kobes 81pts game in that perspective and let kobe play 6 more minutes that game, it would have been a 117pts game ...now you know HOW impressive his 81pts were
@@YunTaeGoO - I don’t think anyone taking anything away from Kobe here. The one thing that I always find gets omitted when talking about Kobe is how many injuries he actually played through, many that would cause todays players to sit out or opt for surgery missing even more time.
I don’t think this guy even factored in that players in today’s game playing 48 every night would fatigue and have higher risk of injury, so we really have to value and appreciate what Wilt has done.
Maybe you can do a "what if" of how you can beat all of the NBA top spot records in every era and pick the player that you'd guess could beat that record. (Very long series, but it might be fun)
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Who (other than Wilt) do you think could have handled 48 minutes per game?
CORRECTION: During LeBron's section, I said his Heat won 33 straight games. That was a brain fart. lol. His Heat won 27 straight games, and were pursuing the 72 Lakers 33 game streak, but ultimately came up short. Just got it mixed up in my head.
Probably Jordan, Giannis, Kobe, and Shaq
Whoa there my guy - you said MJ's best statistical season was 87, but his 88 season was better on every point other than ppg. That's certainly a miss - especially since he shot 53% in '88 vs 48 in '87
honestly no body - lebron and giannis could've been great but they wouldn't last
Of course they came up short LeBron James is not Wilt Chamberlain, only Will Chamberlain can set team records like that.. 😎 #1 Wilt Chamberlain Fan
Maybe Bill Russell if he didn't have 7-8 Hofers as teammates. Anyone else, no chance.
The reason Wilt Chamberlain was able to handle such a heavy workload is because he was Wilt Chamberlain.
He had excellent conditioning with weights and cardio.
@@TheTenCentStory as does every athlete ever.
@@swollpenispok8172 yea but 48 minutes per game is conditioning on another level
I'm continuously amazed at the people who belittle his accomplishments. He was fast, amazingly athletic, a fierce competitor, and clearly one of the, if not the greatest ever. And the "But Bill Russell" people? Well, imagine if, all those years, Wilt had played for the Celtics, and Bill was on the poorer teams. Would Bill have all the rings? Or would the Celtics have been even more dominant? And remember, the greatest rebounding game in history, 55 boards? Wilt got those playing against Russel and the Celtics. And, believe me, I think Bill Russell was great, and admire him immensely. And Bill respected Wilt a lot more than these armchair critics do.
@@tgbedini we are not belittling wilt's athletism etc... it's his competitors that we are belittling. just to make it clear.
i will never forgot your intro man . When i had covid i was really bad for 4 days and i was living alone , your videos kept me company
Ah man, thanks for that. That means a lot. Glad you made it through :)
I'm glad you got out of that man.
The fact Timmy's best season per-48 minutes is nearly identical to Giannis' best season on regular minutes is very telling as to why Giannis is already among the GOATs at his position.
Giannis is crazy. If he wins this year, conversations will start to get reeeally interesting about his greatness relatively.
That's right, but Duncan plays in a very slow era, especially the spurs was even slower. So maybe it's better to see the "per 100 posession" stats.
Also tells how much Duncan went unappreciated. He was disrespected so much after the Lakers 3peat
@@jonnyarnett from a purely objective standpoint Giannis should win this years MVP, but he probably wont. He outclasses embiid in almost every major statistical category and Jokic shouldn't win it either because he almost falls out of the playoffs with his nuggets.
Yes but also you have to take into account the fast pace, more threes and free throws, whereas Duncan played in the slower era. Also Timmy never was a stats guy, team first for Tim, in a Spurs system that dulled individual exploits.
The fact that bird would’ve almost averaged a 37 point triple double on 50 40 90 splits, in this vacuum scenario, is wild
7.6 rebounds is pretty far from 10 lol
Yeah, its absolutely crazy. That combination of scoring, efficiency, rebounding, and passing from a wing player is unmatched.
@@NRF787 don’t mean to be that guy but… lebron?
@@NRF787 he's in my starting line up at sf
@@yassineb.8659 He's talking about the per 48 min stats.
David Stern said it correctly "Wilt Chamberlain cast a shadow over the NBA" that's why people continually hate on Wilt Chamberlain, when comparing players Wilt Chamberlain's name gets brought up as a cornerstone cemented into the conversation, and people just don't like that...
This makes Wilt's numbers look even more impressive IMO.
To be fair, his numbers look insane but a large part of that is the huge number of possessions in the 60s. His numbers are still impressive, but less so, on a per possession basis.
honestly i feel it’s less impressive considering the sheer amount of minutes he played along with FG attempts. he avgd over 30 shots a game for his career 5 different times. of course he’d score a lot.
@@TrUeGaMeR2011 do you have any idea how hard it would be to score 50ppg and play 48.5 minutes per game no matter who you are? even in the video every single player who got their minutes boosted are still behind wilts best season in scoring
@@snazzrazzmazzlejazz8974 Wilt's stamina may be even more impressive than his athletic abilities. This man played 48 minutes in a pace 20% faster than today's NBA while shooting 30 times and grabbing 25 rebounds
@@jop3249 yes but the 1960s was a faster paced era with more possessions and shot attempts. If you put every great on the same per 36 minute and per 100 possessions comparison you would have a better idea of who had the best seasons.
Johnny - Video suggestion: After passing Karl Malone in all-time scoring last night it appears Lebron will break Kareem's record next season. It will be Lebron's 20th season - same as Kareem. How about a "What if every GOAT played 20 seasons" video?
I love that idea, it reminds me of the 10yr stats, that Johnny Arnett did, but it'll be much harder because it goes into the realm of a big "what if" I know Wilt Chamberlain would have the block record for those extra seven seasons, and he would leave the Lakers and go to a team where he can score more points again. People forget Wilt Chamberlain could have put the scoring point record so far out of reach for everybody else, but he didn't, we got to remember Wilt Chamberlain was the fastest to get to 5,000 points 10,000 points 15,000 points 20,000 points 25,000 points 30,000 points, that's more impressive than getting it over longevity
I don't like this idea simply because it goes too far into the "What if" arena and reality never works like we believe it would have. And the problem I have with it is that the video would be entertaining. But, I take Jonny's videos as real NBA academic historical arguments and this delves too much into fantasy.
20 seasons would be alot harder to take into account considering the fall of most players have
@@TheTenCentStory understood but it's not different than this video and comparing people's per 48 minute stats. Obviously, keeping up the same per 48 minute numbers over 82 games is purely hypothetical. The purpose of the 20 year video would also be hypothetical. Would Magic have the assist record if he played 20 years? Would Wilt or MJ have the scoring record? How insane would Wilt's rebounding totals be? We obviously don't know but would be fun just to make the comparisons.
@@masmirage I'll make it clear that I do like the idea. But I think the difference is that this video is at least using established numbers and extending the time on the same games on those current numbers. This is hypothetical. Yet structured in real game numbers and extending the game time playing. Your video idea is using established numbers and assumes the player will be as productive a year or many years later with an unlimited amount of unknown variables. Using real game numbers and extending the time with years. Way more inaccurate. This video does get into fantasy as many of Jonny's videos do. But while talking about unknown years of someone's career you can't even predict the team a player might have played for or even a role on that team.
That Giannis stat line is NUTS.
Doncic is even crazier
@@SokinRidis how Giannis averaging more points and rebounds and still 9 assists.
@@jakemackay1747 And 10% better FG%. Efficiency is very important, i would take Lebron 34ppg on 56% Fg over Kobe 41ppg on 45% anydays of the week.
there is one more discusting which is current MVP Jokic
You have to factor in possession per game as well wilt played in the fast era in league history. The average possessions per game in 62 was 120. Compare that to 05-06 where league average was 88 possessions and today is 107
Now that's some perspective 👌🏾
doing that Michael Jordan 1987-98 would've put 61.5 ppg/ 8.7 rpg / 7.6 apg, adjusting to his Bull's 95.5 pace against Wilt's 132, you can d the same with other players, and thir numbers would be just as eye popping, Wilt's 50 ppg season is one of the most overrated seasons of all time.
@@pedroaugustocosta2533 its very overrated wilt was a black hole. But because there's no tape no one wants to say it
@@pedroaugustocosta2533 it's so overrated no one else did it 🙄
@@versatilethearcane yeah, because every other star likes to win instead of just putting up numbers
If Wilt got to play with some actual sneakers instead of some converse he would have gotten 120 in that game
They couldn't play the minutes that Wilt played. Plus he played both ends of the court. Phil Jackson told Shaq about Wilt's stamina so Shaq thought he could do it too but after a couple of games he opted out.
He's too fat 😂
..and still nailed 20,000 women off court in his lifetime...
Phil Jackson Challenged Shaq to play 48 MPG like Wilt Chamberlain did.
Shaq lasted 7 games; after a 2OT against the Jazz, John Salley told Phil Jackson to give Shaq Rest.
Shaq’s Stats:
7 GP
46.6 MPG
26 PPG
14 RPG
5 APG
5 BPG
51.7 TS%
-0.6 rTS%
Wilt would dominate Shaq any day.
@@kostastube2010 Absolutely no question
Those numbers look pretty good tho. But he aint scoring so much vs Wilt. He'll be efficient but not so dominating.
That's in '00 NBA against players who are trained. Wilt averaged 22 points a game against the great centers in the 60's. He only dominated the dudes who were 6'5 Centers, some who had other jobs in the summer. You'd be surprised how many bad centers were in the league back then.
Then, the new rules wouldn't allow Wilt to dominate in Shaq's era. The wings back then shot 28% from beyond 10 feet so almost 80% of all shots were around the rim. Once the shooters got better, the other positions became more of an an emphasis.
Wilt was a monster for his time. After the league got better, followed by some key rule changes, Wilts numbers dropped dramatically before the age of 30.... From 29 to 37, he averaged only 21 pts per game on a 43 minutes per game average.
Might be the only time Shaq backs into a player to get into position and gets pushed forward.
Or I am probably exagerating Wilt's strength as Shaq was a heavy guy with a lot of leg strength to move that mass.
Wilt played 48.5 minutes in Converse, with 60's transportation, and put up these numbers against teams that featured all the best players in the NBA and had constant practice learning to play against him. It's not like he ever played against low talent teams to inflate his numbers. The real question is, who do you think could play 48 minute against the 7 best teams in the league without ever putting on basketball shoes or having a trainer, competent coach, or even decent nutrition
Wilt has had a decent coach though
Imagine if he had all of those though
@@warkunitale He did for 3 seasons, but not most of his career or for his best years. Certainly not in the way Russell or Jordan did
@@skynyrdjesus More than three seasons but yeah he didn't last consistently with one all of his career or huge chunk of his career like Russel or Jordan
The bronsexuals would say any of the top players you see on courtside films youtube channel. Those skinny tatted dreadlocked brothas could dominate the slow white pro players of the 1950's and 60's right bronsexuals??
Tim Duncan’s numbers were crazy, and the fact that he did it so quietly and with such great fundamentals is just his humble and classy nature!!
“Can’t expect a man to last if he doesn’t get in the game in the first place” - Amazing ad intro 🤣
4:04 when Wilt played, this was called "traveling" AKA carrying the ball. These moves added a lot of points for Kobe, Lebron and many others. Illegal in Wilt's era.
Players today need rest games and unfortunately oft get injured while playing around 35-39mpg.
Increase this to 45+ mpg and their total games played will drop further. And while they may not even need the minimum 58 games to win the scoring title it just isn’t the same.
(Season per game leaders need a minimum of 58 games played (since 13-14) to be eligible - however can still technically win it if their adjusted average per 58 games is better than anyone else’s (total points scored through games played / 58 game minimum) - ie how Myles Turner still won BPG in 20-21).
This is where Wilts 48.5mpg becomes even more impressive - he didn’t miss any games.
That over a three year stretch he still averaged 48mpg and still didn’t miss any games.
The fact that Wilt ranks 9 (NBA only) in career minutes played while only playing 14 seasons it is very remarkable, most other players in the top 20 have 250+ more games than him. Oscar Robertson is the closed in games played (-5) is way down at 22.
By that metric, Nikola Jokic' current season is a 37.8/11.7/19.9 per 48 minutes.
DISCUSTING
If Jokic played 48mpg for 2-3 games in a row, he would end up in the hospital.
@@kostastube2010 most people would end up in hospital at that pace
Revisioned Stats for Jokic in 2021-22: 38.8/19.8/11.3
MOTHERF*CKER THAT IS A STATLINE FOR THE AGES!
For 2023 its: 34.9 pts/16.8 reb/13.9 ast (per 48 minutes)
Wilt still had to play all of those 48.5 minutes, which is a feat in itself.
Not to mention today players get benefits of tv timeouts compared to 60s
Imagine Harden playing 48 minutes in consecutive games (and play even some defense...). He would end up in emergency.
Yeah for context just running 48 minutes a day on consecutive days is a big ask for anyone who is not a regular runner. Then add variable pace, jumping and wrestling for position never mind performing skillfull shots, blocks, rebounds, training and traveling to and from the venue for road games. Players had to be just as fit aa now, without the current sports science knowledge.
Wilt was an amazing scorer in an era of very fast pace, and he played through basically the entire game every game. That was how he averaged 50
Seeing that you think so highly of Wilt, I really appreciate that you were willing to post this video. Good stuff
You put out some of the best NBA basketball content on the Tube. 👏👊
Sure, you could ask Lebron to play 48 minutes a night. He could do that for 4-5 nights until he would get injured or lose stamina. No player could average 48 for an entire season. That’s why you can’t take anything away from Wilt.
If players like LeBron dramatically increased his minutes, it would also massively eat into his longevity. There's a lot of give-and-take factors at play.
@@jonnyarnett And that's why Wilts second half of his career didn't look anything like his insane first years
@@theinktician Wilt still averaged almost as many minutes for the second half of his career (never less than 42) and he only had one season where he missed a significant number of games due to injury and still averaged excellent rebounding numbers (leading the league his last three seasons) while putting up some of the best field goal percentages of his career. The only thing that significantly dropped was his scoring and that's not indicative of a lack of scoring ability because he did have some big scoring games late in his career on occasion, albeit not as big as earlier in his career and with less frequency.
The reason why Wilt didn't put up the same scoring numbers in the second half of his career was because he just didn't need to. Basically in his Warrior days, he needed to score 40 every night just to have a chance for his team to win games because he was by far the most efficient and capable scorer on some teams that otherwise lacked big time scorers. Whereas in Philly and LA, Wilt had big time scorers on his teams.
You can read about how the Sixers hiring Alex Hannum changed the team's strategy and Wilt's game changed significantly as a result. Hannum convinced Wilt that the team would play better if he didn't focus as much on scoring and focus his efforts on defense and spreading the ball around. Wilt bought into it and the result was that his teams had better records than earlier in his career and he won a championship, multiple MVPs, and led the league in assists while still leading the league in rebounding and probably leading the league in blocked shots if that had been an official stat.
But he could still score which is made clear by a few 60 point games in 67 and 69, the last of which still holds the record for being the oldest player to score more than 60 points. But Wilt could have absolutely averaged 30 a game in those later seasons but didn't need to for his team to win and he could have played a few more years if he wanted to.
@@kristenvespera4835 Wilt was inferior as he got older tho. He was stronger but not as much vert or speed or agility. I can't even find his fadeaway in his la years so I'm assuming less touch too
@@theinktician ppl forget he stopped scoring of his own volition and went into a more passive sort of role later in his career.
Would have could have - no way. This is one reason Wilt's numbers are so insane. To say "Well in Wilt's Day they averaged 120 possessions a game vs 88 possessions a game today so that means if you add 30 more possessions a game for today's players then their stats would increase by 25%". No they wouldn't! Players today have to rest with 88 possessions a game - so add 30 more possessions and players would be resting even more and their chance of injury with increased possessions / increased playing time would increase. No player in history is going to play a full 48- minute game - for a full season! Other than Wilt! They can't. This argument makes no sense - it's like a player playing one quarter and scoring 20 points and grabbing 10 rebounds in that quarter. If the player didn't play the rest of the game - you wouldn't say, "He scored 80 points and grabbed 40 rebounds for the game. He didn't!" Nothing is stopping any player from playing all the minutes of a game - but they don't because they can't. If a player could play every minute of every game - he would but he can't! And again the insane number of minutes Wilt played at a high level for the entire game - entire season makes Wilt's accomplishments all the more incredible.
Ayeeee you do it! Hell yah now I don’t think anyone could really play as much as he did but just cool to see if people could
I commented before seeing the end of the video thanks for the shoutout!!
Couple of points to take note of:
1.) pace of game was faster in 60s (including Wilts historic season). If we adjust for pace, averages of other 8 GOAT candidates would also improve because Wilts 50 point season had fastest pace out of all other seasons presented in this video.
2) impressive averages of current players are product (among other things) of inflated number 3 pointers and softening of defense (game was opened up for perimeter players in last 15 years).
That being said, I loved this video. It really shows what beast Wilt truly was. He is the only player that played those minutes because he was the only one that could actually do it!
AND this ERA has also INFLATED STATS like ASSISTS AND REBOUNDS.
WILT would average 20 assists if every pass he made outside counted as an assist.
His rebounds would probably be the same since he wouldnt have to battle other players and get uncontested REBOUNDS.
Correct. Now all stats are inflated. More shots and no defense mean more points, more assists, more rebounds, less risk of injury, less stamina needed.
Imagine a clown like Harden trying to deal with the Knicks' defense of the mid 90s for example. Or the Pistons in the late 80s/early 90s.
I'm not saying they should legalize battery like it was in that era, but at least a minimum of effort should be required to drive into the lane and pad your stats.
Now it's basically a cross between street basket and an all-star game.
@@onlyfacts3178 bro this era doesn’t inflate rebounds or assists wtf if anything rebounds were inflated in wilts era
@@Diospepreco harden would dominate since teams back then had no zone defense and ISO ball was the most prominent way to score and harden just so happens to be one of the best ISO players of all time.
@@dododump3144 Normally i dont answer LOW IQ people...because its a waste of time.
BUT i will try this time.
YES REBOUNDS were inflated on WITLS ERA.
But they were due to the PACE of the game.
But there was always at least 2 players from each team trying to get the rebound and fighting to get the ball..
NOW there are no BIGS near the rim because they are all outside shooting and now most of the rebounds are uncontested.
DO YOU understand what uncontested REBOUNDS mean??
Thats why CP3 just broke his CAREER rebounding record with 0 offensive rebounds.
THATS why KONCHAR a 6,5ft SG got 17 rebounds this season.
SO NOW REBOUNDS are INFLATED.
That transition to manscape ad is gold
You should also note that in the sixties and early seventies, teams would play about five back to back to back games per season. And it was possible to play on four or even five consecutive nights. That makes the 48 minutes played per game even more astounding. In his triple double season, Oscar played 45 minutes per game. It was a much different time, and a much different game.
Even though Wilt's stats are mainly because he played that many minutes, it is still amazing as hell, because I highly doubt that the other crazy statlines would have been possible if other greats played that miny minutes bacause they need crazy stamina to do that(which probably they don't have) and also I am 100% sure their production and efficiency would drop significantly if they play that many minutes in every single game.
Hello jonny glad u posted another video thank you
In my opinion, a video series about your very own 10 greatest players at each position would be lit.
Which is why Wilt is the true GOAT
Wilt has to be the GOAT. Not only did he have the strength and stamina to dominate for 48 minutes every game, but he also allegedly had the stamina to sleep with over 20,000 women 😅🤪
But in all seriousness, great vid and looking forward to the Alvin Robertson vid. He's definitely one of the most underrated defenders of all time.
Great video. I'm also curious about taking certain historic games and moments and extending those to a full 48 minutes. Who was on the hottest hot streak when you factor in the minutes they played?
I’ve been waiting for a vid like this, love it!
These are my 7'7 point guard with all badges and maximum tendencies on NBA 2k22 myleague 😂😂
Anyway thanks Johnny for the hard work buddy appreciate it
Uncanny, was literally just discussing this exact topic with someone a few hours ago. Perfect timing for the upload
The problem with some of the numbers is comparing eras and the rules in different eras. Especially today, the defensive numbers just aren't there because the rules are more geared toward the offense. If you notice almost all the top block numbers came from the mid 80s, 5 out of 8 of the scoring was from 2016-2021, steals were all 1991 or earlier. Wilt's numbers being what they are even going against the bloated scoring of todays era just makes it even more impressive.
Indeed. A lot of other videos of mine tackle those factors. The best per 48 stats come from the 60s and the last 5 years, but those were also the highest scoring eras of NBA History, so it makes sense.
I'm not used to Johnny running ads. Get that money young fella
Hey bro you have by far the best intro thing out of all the basketball channels
"you can't expect a man to last, if he can't even get in the game" ... Such a great Segway into the sponsor
I would love to see the comparison of stats based on possessions. I don’t know if it would give some insight but that’s a fair way to compare eras imo.
Gotta love Manscaped on a video about Wilt...
The issue is the rules have gotten so much easier…. So wilt would average even more points on better efficiency…. I seriously doubt those players would keep there efficiency….
PEOPLE are forgeting that IN HIS ERA he couldnt use his strenght to back other players in the post.
AND that assists were only forward passes to players near the rim.
SO HE would average 20 assists because now they give assist to almost every pass.
This is such a bad take and it uses no context at all
@@dododump3144 SAYS the GUY with no arguments at all..
DO you know that on WILTs ERA players couldnt back up the opponents in the paint?
SO WILT couldnt use his strenght ..
Zone defense + 3 in the key… No Wilt would not be the same. Please let Shaq have the same rules BUT Wilt’s numbers will never be equaled
@@Cheif_Espada what? The 3 second in the key was a rule before wilt even joined the league…. And zone defenses are you forgetting zones were added in 2002 at the end of Shaqs peak? And btw wilt did get zoned that’s all they ever did to him, he legit told shaq that he wouldn’t have to deal with zone defenses like he did
I love those kind of exercises, thanks!
Serge Ibaka was that great defensively in 2012. The NBA did not want to give him all-nba defensive honors in favor of bigger names. But basketball fans knew how good he was. As his defense got worse he made up for it with by improving his offense
You really don’t get enough credit for your content bro 💯
This should be an awesome video as usual! Love this channel. Thanks Jonny!
That’s insane! The amount of rebounds in the 60’s is just nuts. I think Kobe and MJ might have even averaged more points, but it’s hard to say since you can only go on averages. This would be interesting to see if players playing the full 48 would have had an impact on playoff series. Maybe a team could’ve squeaked out a series when they didn’t normally. Man this has me thinking of all kinds of stuff. Haha.4
I've always liked saying that Giannis was proof that Wilt would've been dominate in any era, and the many players from different eras could've succeeded in just abt any era. That Giannis per 48 only helps prove it.
Loved the video!
Between the high minutes, pace of the game, and low average field goal percentage during the game it's easy to see how certain stats are inflated. Same as some stats today are inflated.
On 3/18/68 Wilt had a quintuple double!
True legend
I would love to see a companion video but with the rates adjusted across eras
The reason why 6 current NBA players were in the top 10 of scoring per 48, is due to how it is monumentally easier to score in the league now, than it was in the 80's and 90's, and decades prior. It really isn't fair to compare them
One needs to consider Wilt's complete athletic package to understand why so many of his records won't be broken . He played all those minutes often double and triple defended yet was able to compete all minutes. Nobody then or since had his complete physical skill set. Listen to the instance playing pickup with college students against Magic and other Laker starters. He himself shut them out. Phil Jackson said he play below his ability much of the time. No one then or since could touch him. Bill Russel himself said Wilt was always the smartest guy on the floor.
Maaaan i wish you would've done Elvin Hayes rookie season with wilts minutes
Another awesome vid. Keep it up
I think the most likely candidates for a possible 48 MPG season would be a younger LeBron and/or Giannis. I remember I went to a Jazz/Bucks game (as a Bucks fan living in Utah, it was a win-win for me) in March 2019. Giannis played 32 minutes and had 43 pts, 14 reb, and 8 ast, while Donovan Mitchell played 39 minutes, and had 46 pts, 6 ast, and 3 reb. (Apparently, upon review of the game I just did, Derrick Favors had a 23 point, 18 reb game in 32 minutes, as well.) If Giannis had played the full 48 minutes that night, he would've scored 64 points and had 21 rebounds. And Mitchell would've scored 57.
My question is what's so different about wilts era compare to the era we live in now? This new era of basketball is horrible in terms of defense teams can put 130 points a game each combined, I feel like this era has watered down so much compared to the golden age era and to me one of the factors why lebron is still very efficient (offensively only). I feel like the only difference is that today's players are more "skilled" and there is finally a 3 point basket which in wilts day there was not.
He's just among the best of the best of the best.
MJ vs Bron? Both great, but gimme Wilt.
He's not on that level imo but his greatness should not go understated
@@nbabackcourtmedia you say that his greatness should not be understated in a comment where you literally understated his greatness.
@@kristenvespera4835 im understating him by not having him in my top 3 or top 5?
@@nbabackcourtmedia yes. He's definitely top 3 and definitely on the same level as MJ and Lebron even though it is difficult to compare them directly due to playing different positions and having different skillsets.
@@kristenvespera4835 I think based on what your basketball ideologies are, you can have wilt in your top 3 or 5 or whatever and I’m not gonna shame you for it, but he’s not an undisputed member of that tier like MJ and LeBron are.
Prior to this video I def believe Giannis is the closes we've seen to a modern Wilt
Nope, not even close . Giannis is nowhere near Wilt
Wilt is Giannis + Jokic. 3 more inches too. Whole different beast.
I'm starting to ask myself whether I'm watching these video's for the basketball or for Jonny's incredible segues into Manscape ads 😄
Lol. I’m having fun with it. Glad to hear some of you guys are too 😂
Fr bro that was clean😂😂I was looking for this comment
Can do video like this but for the best games in nba history, like Kobe’s 81 point game, or Tim and bird potential quadruple double.
Giannis is the Kobe to Wilt's Jordan.
Great vid Johnny…. Love it… 😍😍😍😍
When you realize Lebron’s per 48 stat averages are similar to his 2018 playoff run averages
This ☝🏽
17 finals also
33.6 ppg
12 rpg
10 apg
it's almost identical,a little better actually, than the inflated per 48 minutes. And he was not selfish they needed every stat he got . This 17 finals against top2 team all time gets overlooked
Look I'm not an old head for 60s-70s basketball but Wilt was beyond a monster, physical freak of nature, the only reason why his stats aren't higher is because he didn't make them higher on purpose. Let that sink in. I've seen interviews with Wilt Chamberlin, when he says he chose not to score more points, he literally means it was his choice, no one would/could stop him if he really wanted to go higher and even in that self-nerfed state he still produce numbers. That lets me know he wasn't bluffing. That is no mortal man. That is a basketball god.
Crazy to think that Wilts stats would deflate per 48 cause he averaged more than 48 minutes
the fact that giannis only plays around 32 mpg is scary
If any other modern player played 48minutes per game, not only they would not be as effective, but I bet all of them will get an injury mid season or their performances would drop strongly after only 15 games if they play all 82
The fact that Wilt never fouled out is wild
Let's do the reverse where you limit Wilt's numbers to just 36 minutes. I think his efficiency would go up alot. Playing all 48 minutes is all the more impressive that he was doing so much blocking, running, rebounding and scoring over 48 minutes during the highest tempo era in the leagues history. It stands to reason his efficiency would go up tremendously if he were to only play 36 minutes. If the players today played 48 minutes they wouldn't last. Half of the stars are getting injured already playing only 32 minutes.
This I want to see.
This also tells me that without handchecking and the 3 second defensive rule, how much easier it is to score and create offensive statistics in this era of nba basketball 🤷♂️..
Handchecking is still allowed. You can see it numerous times.
@@poly_g6068 there is a difference between "numerous times", and "throughout entire game, non stop on every play"...
Russell's 28 rpg per 48min is bonkers...
if Wilt only played 32 minutes a game, his per 48 stats would be even more astronomical. You have to pace yourself to play the whole game. That's just common sense.
Love this guy Jonny video’s
Wilt Chamberlain was in top notch shape is the reason he could play every minute of every game. I don't think that he ever fouled out of a game. He got ejected one time. I don't think that the players of today could play with the intensity that he played with and play every minute of every game and put up the numbers that he did!!!
Because of the vast differences in pace between eras, Wilt got way more possessions in his 48 minutes than most of the others did. This should probably be based on per 100 possessions instead. Also, other things make a difference, like people in general being worse shooters back then, so there were more rebound available, and obvi the fact there was no three point line, etc
Another Awesome vid
Wilt also avg well over 10 blocks a game which can be researched via newspaper articles and nba archives. This takes insane amount of energy given all the other areas of the game he’s also dominating numbers in. And I doubt any of these other guys remain healthy enough to keep up with these minutes and numbers with wilts pace.
We can see that the more you play especially nonstop, the more energy it takes and more fatigue wears on you.
Even with the slower paces It’s highly unlikely that these guys put up these numbers that are calculated on if their performance stays the exact same and not their fatigue dropping let alone the circumstances wilt faces such as referee allowing pummeling defenses just for wilt, strict violation rules, no offensive fouls to score, 8-14 teams where you play nothing but the best of the best players and more often than a 30 league team where you can rest more or have easier games against more lesser players that wouldn’t have made a league with no room for them from the mid 60s-early 70setc….
But even in a universe where we think the per 48 is a reality to say what a player would exactly do if they played all 48 ignoring their inferiority to Wilts stamina as an athlete, it’s incredible how Wilt is still top of the very top of the list scoring rebounding Playmaking and defending combined.
Amazing video
THESE ARE SOME W PROMOS. IDK HOW HE EVEN DOES IT LMAO
Exactly, I don't know how he does it but you can easily do it with today's sponsors manscaped.
Wilt is the greatest physical force the nba and even modern times have seen.
Even a 60 old wilt was stronger then a prime shaq shown by there lefting competition.
In respect to you're video, Wilt Chamberlain was an anomaly in his era because of a number of factors, not least being his early teams had good players but none with the class of say, the celtics!
This ment that his coaches when deciding to pick the team had almost always to accept by removing wilt chamberlain from playing, they removed the best scorer from medium to long range (wilt), the best dunker (wilt) best blocker (wilt) best assists (wilt) best rebounder (wilt)
fastest player (wilt) strongest player (wilt) most tireless player (wilt) the list goes on and on!
So it's easy to see why, the team coaches opted to leave wilt chamberlain on, one because wilt wanted to play and secondly because it would have been like a manager sending off Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman and Michael Jordan all at once, the team would have lost three of its best players, while in wilt Chamberlain's case he was always the best player in all categories in his early career, so it was literally destroying your best option to reach the playoffs by taking him off the court!
The coaches used wilt Chamberlain's attributes to reach the playoffs even knowing that the celtics had the best overall team options and just reducing wilt Chamberlain's scoring was sufficient to win multiple titles for the celtics, (no wonder Bill Russell stated about Wilt Chamberlain, I'm the only man who knows how good you are! ) because Bill accepted wilt chamberlain was a step above any other player in the NBA during their many years facing each other in the playoffs or finals!
Jokic this season:
37.9 PTS, 19.9 REB, 11.7 AST, 65.6 TS%
Did you adjust for ratebof play and per 48 min?
Please like the video !
I love this man’s videos I watch it when I eat and when I take a shit
title should be " what if every legend COULD play wilt chamberlain's minutes "
Thanks for making this video because as much as it pains me to say Wilt Chamberlain was more of a stat stuffer than a winner.
Go back and watch the other videos on Wilt. He stopped scoring bc ppl felt like what you said.
Just goes to show that Wilt is really a monster. He actually did it and with absurd numbers too. I don't know what old school players eat or do but man they are inhuman compared to average players nowadays. I was baffled that pitchers back then throws 2-3x more. Basketball players are playing so much minutes. NFL players are playing almost every game. Would someone explain this to me?
I would say it has to do with the culture , the attitudes of players were very different . Suiting up every night was the norm. Wanting to go out there and give it your all and entertain the fans who spent their hard earned money to come and watch their teams play. I definitely think that the reason pro athletes played the game was for a hell of alot more than just the money since the NBA , NFL and MLB are far bigger leagues now and the lavish lifestyles, far massive revenues for players and fame are the norm now
@@mikebrown2367 but you could say that players now have more intensive training programs. Their bodies just can't hold up.
Kevin Porter from that 79 bullets team so underrated that team was nice
Now do the reverse also. What if Wilt had the technology of today afforded to him?
-Shoes
-med tech to heal quicker and last longer than 13 seasons lol
-better travel and hotels which many note has already kind of muted the home court advantage which once was obvious
-today's rules of no touching
-today's spacing and only 1 person in the paint
But nice video and mirrors my comments from a tiktok video I made about him. So many suggest it was because he was taller than everyone else...I mentioned no it was because he did the main thing others were unwilling to do, or simply were not in shape enough to do...he played every minute of every game. No "load management" lol
Great video!!!!
No other athlete of the past or present could EVER do what Wilt Chamberlain did. Maybe a selected few players could average 48 minutes a game for a season if they paced themselves but Wilt played every minute of every game in the 1961-62 season while the Philadelphia Warriors depended on him and him alone to average 48.5 minutes a game AND be the top scorer ( 50.4 points) , top rebounder ( 25.7 rebounds) and top shot blocker in the entire league all at once. Basketball requires constant explosive strength AND stamina , the wear and tear on the body , jumping and running down the court all game long for 80 complete games . He did this all in chuck taylors, in the fastest pace in nba history , running like 40+ more times than he would today up and down the court while suffering ZERO injuries and standing over 7'1 barefoot and 285+ pounds. The vast majority of people don't understand the type of athletic ability Wilt needed to have in order to accomplish such a feat. He had no personal trainers , no 21st century state of the art world class, luxurious training facilities , recovery science , pampering , modern shoes and all the advantages pro athletes have today . Wilt was THE supernatural genetic freak that transcends time and is by far the greatest athlete in recorded history.
To compare anyone to The Big Dipper in terms of raw physical prowress is a complete fucking joke
You have to adjust for pace. Pace is an even more significant factor when it comes to per game averages. Wilt's 1962 Warriors averaged 132 possessions per game. MJ's Bulls were 89-98 possessions per game depending on the year.
Also, Wilts rebounding numbers aren't just inflated due to pace and minutes, but also the abysmal FG percentage during his era. Wilt averaged 27 of his teams 79 rebounds in 62, nearly every rebounding champion in thr last 20 years averaged a higher percentage of their teams total rebounds, there were just a lot less rebounds available because players were much better at actually getting the ball to go in the basket lol
Any analyst who does both pace and minutes played together doesn't know what they are doing. If you can't play a full game at a pace of 90, how you gonna play a full game at a pace of 133? Also, a slower pace favors a more efficient game. FG% goes down as pace increases
@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 The problem is in your assumption that a player "can't" play a full game. Superstars do it all the time when nessesary. It's just that coaches today aren't stupid enough to let a player play 48 minutes every night, especially not in the regular season. If Wilt played today his coach wouldn't have him in the game for 48.5 minutes per game. Modulating players minutes is part of strategy. Also, just because per 100 stats are perfect doesn't mean that per game stats with no pace adjustment are better lol. Wilt CANNOT average 50 points in 90 possessions, he was only able to do that because of pace. Also, your efficiency argument is the reason we use rTS, not TS. Guys like LBJ, MJ, KD etc weren't just more efficient than Wilt, they were farther above league average during their careers than Wilt was during his.
@@Youngster543210 I'll give you a documented case. In 2000, Phil Jackson challenged Shaq to play 48 minutes a game like Wilt. He tried but couldn't do it. He gave up after a few(7?) games. He averaged 39.5 minutes a game that year at a pace of 91.7. Do you really think he could play more minutes at a pace of 133.1? There are some that could probably do it, but assuming that they would have the same efficiency is foolish.
@@oldeskoolnewsreels9927 Shaq averaged 45 minutes in the 2001 finals. He was also literally the least conditioned example you could have used lol. And whether Wilt could play 48 minutes or not is irrelevant if his coaches won't allow him to. Every guard could play 48 minutes, their coaches just don't allow them to because its stupid. And even if Wilt played 48 minutes in the 90's he'd still only see about 90 possessions compared to the 130 he saw in the 60's. Assuming his scoring rate remained the same he'd only be averaging 27 playing 48 minutes over 90 possessions, Shaq averaged 27-30 playing 36 - 38 minutes over 70-75 possessions lol. Wilt's efficiency would literally have to skyrocket to like 65 percent just to keep up with Shaq in PPG, or his per possession scoring rate would have to increase significantly. On top of that he'd be playing against far better competiton. Also, everybody in Shaq's era played at a slower pace, so all of Shaq's contemporaries got to benefit from the same efficiency improving effect from slower play, meanwhile Shaq's rTS is still higher than Wilt's.
Wilts stats are wildly inflated, thats just a fact dude. 👌
@@Youngster543210 In the finals, no way he could do it for a full season, which is what is being proposed here. Also, guys today get hurt playing 30 minutes a game, they wouldn''t last trying to play a whole season of 48 minutes. There isn't a guy today who could do it. There's only one guy who actually did it. The only one I believe had a chance to do it was Iverson.
Love this channel and cool to look at these numbers, but this only works in theory. There is a reason players don’t play 48 mins a game. It’s not physical possible to keep up max energy. It doesn’t matter who you are, everybody gets tired. That’s just facts.
Everyone except Wilt Chamberlain.
That Harden stat line made my head spin
He still has many records that will probably never be broken. In his rookie season 37.6 PPGA 27 rebounds averaged. I think most rookies would like to have just 1 game in their rookie season that he averaged for 72 games.
Jordan's 88' season per 48 minutes.
Points per game 41.96
Assists per game 7.10
Rebounds per game 6.57
Steals per game 3.79
Blocks per game 1.91
53.5% FG%
Check out Jordan's 89' season
Playing as a center in a fast pace era with those minutes is just insane
So Wilt still holds the record (just) if you inflate other players to 48mpg (and drop his), but that margin grows further when you factor in reduced efficiency.
And no mention that blocks weren’t recorded in Bill and Wilt era.
Wilts efficiency is pretty relative to his FGA, which is a sign of the era too.
The average possessions per game in 62 was 120. Compare that to 05-06 where league average was 88 possessions and today is 107
if you put kobes 81pts game in that perspective and let kobe play 6 more minutes that game, it would have been a 117pts game ...now you know HOW impressive his 81pts were
@@YunTaeGoO - I don’t think anyone taking anything away from Kobe here.
The one thing that I always find gets omitted when talking about Kobe is how many injuries he actually played through, many that would cause todays players to sit out or opt for surgery missing even more time.
I don’t think this guy even factored in that players in today’s game playing 48 every night would fatigue and have higher risk of injury, so we really have to value and appreciate what Wilt has done.
yooo is that LeBron behind Kareem on the zoom in 3:19 😂😂😂😂😂
Maybe you can do a "what if" of how you can beat all of the NBA top spot records in every era and pick the player that you'd guess could beat that record.
(Very long series, but it might be fun)