I also had a crisis of faith when he won the first time. Yesterday, I broke down, looked up at my ceiling and said “I hate you…” I really regret saying it, but I’m still hurting and scared. But we’re still here, and we need to push back. We need to look out for our neighbors who are going to be targeted by this administration.
No. You're on the right track. Walk away. It's a non-truth. Do you like being lied to? Your gut told you yesterday. If "He" is real....... "He" is a sadistic jerk, insecure and narcissistic. A huge member maybe? It's all so phallic. And fictitious. Religion is how we got here. Religion steals your wallet and helps you look for it. Try to sit alone and imagine, that your thoughts are nothing but electrical signals and synapses. You are alone. No one can hear your thoughts. You aren't being watched. There's nothing there. God isn't there, and there's no one in your head but you. And no one can save us but us. If there is a god, he's too mean for me to be associated with. I'm a good person in my own mind, and I don't keep friends with anyone who would let this all happen.
@@rachelfay9582 There are plenty of psalms where faithful believers express frustration with God. God can handle it. Move forward by doing good not only to your friends but to those who seek to harm. "Overcome evil with good".
So many evangelicals believe their prayers have been answered. And we (including me, a black woman) have been praying against their judgement. We’ve been warning, praying & making pleas. And they just fought their way into their own judgement & consequences. There is a REASON for the rise in deconstruction. We’re talking about this as if it’s a normal election with just a rude guy. It’s not. This is not about politics. There’s people’s lives that will be lost to this administration. It’s not about him being an imperfect man. It’s about what’s about to happen to our neighbors. “Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of My pasture!” declares the LORD. Therefore thus says the LORD God of Israel concerning the shepherds who are tending My people: “You have scattered My flock and driven them away, and have not attended to them; behold, I am about to attend to you for the evil of your deeds,” declares the LORD. - Jeremiah 23:1-2
You are completely misquoting the Bible. So you thought that Harris winning who is for Abortion and gay marriage would be an answer to prayer. You are sadly misguided.
@ There was no candidate who was an answer to prayer. But there is a movement that has made itself synonymous with God which we are praying stop. It’s the greatest threat to the church & the church has co-signed it. That’s not a misquote. Thats the quote. And God is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow. I certainly am not. We’ll be praying for you.
I had a crisis of faith when he won the first time. Then I remembered how God warned us that the path is narrow. Thank you for what you do. It's going to be very difficult, and those of us who are "progressive" Christians will need to keep each other motivated and lifted up.
This is the same thought that kept me in the faith while most of my Christian friends played mental gymnastics to support an open fascist tyrant. History will vindicate us
Non-Christian here and was looking forward to this video. You did not disappoint and said everything I've been feeling. I'm ready to be involved and find a community to work with.
I’m struggling with the same, esp since I am a black woman at a white church. Between Trump being elected in 2016, covid, BLM protests, overturning of Dobbs, and now Trump’s election AGAIN…I am really struggling to feel in community with my fellow believers. Even though we all claim to love Jesus, it is now clear our morals and values are very different. And I am struggling with knowing how to move forward with that knowledge. 😢
April, I was one of those who came to your defense on Twitter(I have since closed my account)... I think "Polite ANTIFA" really needs to become a thing! I wish you & everyone Peace & Joy as we face the unknown ahead, may Truth & Justice win out over hate and fear!!!
@@AS-kn6cq I hope it's just ignorance, but voting for Trump in the context of Christianity is either, you've never read the Bible and don't know it's messaging, or you chose to ignore its messaging and have chosen fear, anger, hate, and fascism based on Trump's words and actions. So which is it?
I really appreciate the work that y'all are doing. I found Tim from the Paul & Morgan video, and as a fellow Millenial raised in a conservative Christian household who has done a lot of religious and political deconstruction since Trump's first term, I really look forward to these videos. I'm currently working through a coding course and this is perfect company while I go through exercises and projects, especially after Tuesday.
Being a Homeless Veteran for 10yrs if any of you think it's easy it's not. Nobody cares about our situation Now i make 22k weekly. have a home, a wife, a lovely daughter... A child of God. HALLELUJAH
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my daughter's surgery (Joey). Glory to God.shalom.
Cradle Democrat in his mid-forties here, and you are speaking TRUTH regarding Dem policies over the past couple of decades. We were once the party of the New Deal. We need to return to our roots and pitch an actual better tomorrow. The steady rightward slide of this country has worried me for decades. And here we are...
I sold my Tesla stock. It's suppose to do great in the coming years. I feel like some people around me want to make money off the hardship of others. My reward is the Kingdom.
That's probably a bit far-fetched. Do you really think that the gates to the place depend on you buying or selling stocks? If your God is capitalism maybe.
As a black woman, I thank you for saying that. The world doesn't want a woman and most definitely not a black woman. They choose hate and money over love.
Unless the wealth gap is addressed, the angry voter will continue to be the power behind the electorate. Unfortunately, neither party is able to push back the greed of the top 1 percent.
My Jewish grandparents watched what was happening in Germany and Poland in 1933 and their response was to move to Canada I'm able to tell you this because they made that choice shalom my Christian brothers and sisters
This is literally the most disrespectful comment you can make to the legacy of the 16 million people who lost their lives as a result of that regime. Whatever you think of Trump. To opine that he is the next Hitler is just shameful.
My youngest (who is trans) came to me crying the morning after the election (they are 15). I told them that we will get through this. I am working on it.
New Jersey is a trans sanctuary state. It's really not as expensive to live here as people make it out to be. The counties right by New York City have stupid high property taxes, but outside there it's reasonable. Also, a lot of what other states leave up to loosely regulated private companies NJ includes in your taxes. It's a place to keep in mind if you and your kids need to get out ASAP. My state won't insert itself into the healthcare your kid needs. At least for now. Something tells me this incoming fascist government is going to ruin everywhere for everyone because we all know their "states rights" rhetoric is just that.
I work at a school and my job pertains to working with population that is almost entirely immigrant students. This week I have had kids going to the nurse with panic attacks or had to bring them to my office or the counselor’s in tears. They are afraid their asylum cases will be denied and they’ll be sent back to places where they were directed threatened, victims of terrible violence, witnessed the murder of family members. The Ukrainian kids came to school distraught on Wednesday. Their whole country might not exist in three months and yet they are supposed to function as normal and make their way through an ordinary day at school.
I'm a 66 yo mixed race Black woman who married a White evangelical man in the 90s and bought into ALL of it. Thirty years of hearing a vote for Republicans is godly and a vote for Democrats is of the devil. Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, homeschooled my son, patriarchal church, Doug Wilson, we almost moved to Idaho. My millennial son left it all and Christianity. I left it all much later but cannot and will not ever leave Jesus. That's how I found your channel. Frankly, as a later baby boomer, it's been hard to watch Tim and April rather than watch Russell Moore even though you all have been hurt by White evangelicals. However, I am closer to Progressivism than I EVER thought I would. Tim and April, THIS show right here speaks to me. I've learned from all your interviews and now I'm going to watch you two as well. I am retiring soon on a fixed income that is less than what I'm earning now, but TNE will be a part of my giving budget. Im becoming a monthly donor today. I want you both to grow, continue speaking truth to power and be comfortable in raising your young families.
💯 agreed. I plan on making daily changes to stop funding my oppression from Big Money. It isn’t politics anymore. We the people have way more power than we have utilized & I plan on figuring out how to use that these next four years. 💗
I have been looking forward to this all week. I hope it is okay for everyone today. Love your hair style April!!!!! Also as a public health professional I am sooooooo scared of RFK....
Hey Tim and April thank you for making this video. I still attend a very conservative evangelical church, and celebration over this tragedy is crushing me. It’s good to see people of faith speak truth to power. I’ve kept my socialist values a secret the whole time I’ve attended there, maybe now is the time to have some conversations with people about these topics
If you can, keep being a light in a dark place. If you can't take the pain of being verbally beaten down by your siblings, you're allowed to shake the dust off your shoes and walk away to a home that was meant for you.
Writing from Dearborn, MI. I teach piano for a living to primarily muslim families, and from the way the kids talked about Kamala, I can vouch that most Muslims voted for Trump that I know, if not all of them.
I am a moderate independent and have heard of those folks and Project 2025. I listen to various podcasts for food for thought. I am also an older Gen X'er who gets her news from newspaper, TV, and podcasts. I am hoping that we can work out a win all they way around.
Stay strong April! You are not alone. I am praying that their eyes and ears will be opened. They are lost in their delusions being fed a steady diet of propoganda. April and Tim keep speaking the truth! I appreciate your channel.
Thank you guys, may God continue to bless us and protect us I will continue to pray this was written I do believe we are facing the dark times. our faith now needs to be the stronger than ever before. ❤✝️🕊️
I was born and raised in the southern pentecostal church of god denomination. Steeped in it from the day i came out of the womb. Leaving was the best decision i made for my mental health. I was very involved and had conservative values...I left after being in it for about 28 years.
Part of what got me out of the fundie church I was in years ago was befriending people who the church told me were "evil" and seeing for myself that they weren't anything like what my church told me they were, so I've spent the last 8 years knowing that I'm up against a cult and trying to be the not-so-evil "evil" person in people's lives hoping they'll eventually see what I did. This result feels like a giant "eff you" and a lot of wasted emotional labor for all of those efforts. Like you, I understand and agree with a lot of people's frustrations, but I wasn't under the impression that TFG would make those frustrations anything but worse. As one of my favorite content creators said recently, "I wish we were better."
I want to believe what you're saying, because honestly it's better than the other option which is that people knew exactly who and what trump is and voted for him because of that. But at some point we have to stop 'blaming people' and just accept that perhaps a country that has always been racist, misogynist and xenophobic still is.
I think we hold on to this hope that if people are presented with facts, data, time stamps, evidence... they would not choose trump or ideologies that hinder their own communities.. and yet here we are... so maybe you are right.
Everything you've said is completely my exact sentiments. Everything that I have been taught as a youngster is irrelevant. Honesty, empathy, patience, love. It. Does. Not. Matter. These people do not care about anything that Jesus did. They claim to, but they do not. I feel like I don't even recognize this world anymore. When and where did I miss the exit ramp??
Saying 'forgive them they know not what they do' is a far kinder approach than I have to this. Blessings to you for having that kind of heart. I have more of an Avenging Angel viewpoint currently. Perhaps the world could benefit right now from both takes on this? My thoughts are they shouldn't have that 'out'. This isn't his first presidency and what he did the last time with deportations, massive death, arguing with states about sending medical devices that were needed, empty shelves, paper products costing double, and a host of other things showed all of us exactly who he is enough for these voters to be knowing in their actions now. Adding to that plenty of those that worked for his administration the first go round, people he was around, and many others have risked a great deal to profess to the world who he is and what his plans are. They came with warnings and even joined us to try to stop him. Those are the people that I could say that they knew not what they did at the time and when they did they made great efforts to stand against him. We have watched for four years as Trump and his cohorts have met with leaders, ignored the fact there is another president, and showed disrespect to the president and people of this nation. When he did speak he told everyone exactly what he stood for and who he was, and the majority of America voted for him anyway. So I will not be willing to allow them off on the 'they know not what they do'. They knew. So on that point I do respectfully disagree with you April Ajoy, but I also admire your ability to have a kind heart. I don't consider myself religious, I prefer the term spiritual. Though I do think the best choice for an Avenging Angel for the magas to face off with would be Avenging Angel Raguel. Does anyone think another Angel would be better for right now? This question is open to other belief systems and deities too.. Gods and goddess suggestions welcome as well.
People on a certain level - that level varies among individuals - do not know what they're doing. Yes. They have some awareness. But. That awareness is limited, and to differing degrees with each individual. Why? Because humans are imperfect and we all have areas of blindness that exists within us. If we all saw and understood the deeper recesses of our entire soul's makeup, I'm doubtful that we'd be here experiencing what we are as we are. I have to be willing to look in the mirror at Shannon and ask myself what's operating in me that feels threatened by the other, so much so, that it leads to hate and violence. While I'm not actively out there committing violence, I understand that I'm just as capable on some level as the next person. I need others with whom I can openly dialogue and be transparent. This includes those with whom I may disagree and vice versa. People tend to surround themselves largely only with those that'll agree with them. I'll never learn anything this way. The more my finger is pointed at the other, the less I'll be able or even willing to see what and how the very thing I so strongly oppose manifests in and through me. People who are In Their Right Minds don't allow fear to control them to the point at which they commit atrocities. I can't be driven by fear and simultaneously moved by love. Fear and Love are opposites. Hatred and violence are byproducts of fear.
I'm sorry, but I don't trust a word out of these people's mouths anymore. They know about Project 2025 and they LOVE what they hear. They just say these stupid things because they think we're stupid enough to believe them. They got what they wanted and they will openly lie just to try to remain friends. I don't want to hear them cry when they inevitably get destroyed by the very thing they crave.
Tim and April, if anyone gives you trouble over what you're saying they haven't been paying attention! I agree with everything you said! Keep up the good work. Whether you see it or not, you have a lot of support 💙💙
Thank you for mentioning again the similarity between pastors' sermons on voting as a Christian. I track that stuff in my county and there were so many sermons talking about how "it's not a political issue, it's a theological issue," or "we're voting for policies, not personality," or "Jesus wasn't a Democrat or a Republican." Notably, there were little to no critiques of the Republican party, just mostly misinformation about Democratic policies. It really hit home for me, though, how much propaganda and misguided bias have tainted how so many people view the world, when I listened to a sermon my brother-in-law gave. He's a pastor (who was very supportive of my racial justice advocacy in 2020!). He said the usual about Jesus not being a Republican or Democrat and how political issues are actually really theological issues, and then he spent nearly 10 minutes near tears saying lie after lie about the Democratic party. A lot of it was demonizing queer community, making claims that children are being mutilated and indoctrinated in school and that parents' rights are being taken away. Like I said, he supported my racial justice advocacy. He was the only one in my husband's family who did so. He's always been a very kind, loving, and respectful person. But then I hear this sermon, where he's talking about people like me, queer people, as if we're demonically-influenced and promoting evil. Just saying lie after lie, and crying like he truly believes it. I want to reach out to him and give him actual, factual info about trans issues because it hurts my by heart to see him so scared about things that's aren't true. But it hurts even more knowing he heard those untrue things and assumed they were true without question, that he wouldn't hesitate to say people like me who actively support the trans people in my life are supporting a demonic agenda.
Hi Tim I have really appreciated your channel. You and April were particularly articulate about your impressions of why Harris lost this election. And yes. You are right. We all need to be pro-active when it comes to fighting this great evil in the USA. Democracy is not something that we can take for granted. But the battle has to be done in the love and spirit of Christ. No spitting, or swearing, but to love our neighbour as ourselves. And we are in this battle TOGETHER!
The basic unit of democracy is not the individual, or the family. It's small groups / communities. It's those groups -- which are RARE today -- that help organize a "media diet" and provide sanity checks on it. I saw an interview with Paul Jay (theAnalysis-news) where he was talking about the vital importance of learning how to speak to people from a religious point of view. I wrote to Paul letting him know about TNE and Vote Common Good.
I feel your pain and anger. I will also say we are all out of adrenaline. There's nothing left. I think nothing will make them see what they have done more clearly is a Trump presidency. We will clearly see if Trump won or the country did. I hate that they ignore history. Some of us can't. Not to mention, Christians chose greed about people.
I truly wish you were being extreme! I recently sent a message to a friend explaining why I was leaving our church which is teaching Christian Nationalism, and reread it, and thought this sounds crazy, but it is what is going on. Her response was, Wow! I have never heard from her again!
They’re really trying to compare the guy who wrote “Have mercy upon me O God, according the multitude of Thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions” to someone who blatantly refuses to ask God for forgiveness? 💀😭
There's a joke about Judgement Day that after the deity shows Trump all his bad works and asks him what he would say about himself, and Trump says, "You're in my seat."
The Lord will rise up evil rulers as well as good to do His will and it helps to draw those who truly serve Jesus into a smaller flock. I was crushed by the election results, but I know there are many passages in the Word that tell of Godly people serving under evil leaders. We just need to keep loving on people, being His hands and feet as the world keeps being worldly. Praying for all of my brothers and sisters struggling emotionally and mentally with this. You’re not alone.
April. You're right about a concerted effort to get pastors involved in pushing rightwing politics in this election. My home church's pastor (evangelical and Mennonite) went to a conference where they pushed rightwing points (by the revisionist historian the right likes) and he used these in his "pastor's notes" as fact the next week. Absolutely no self reflection on their part.
Every time Time says, "This may sound radical," I know he's gonna speak some real truth to power, and I love it. But for real, why are we coddling people who keep leading us astray?
This was a cathartic episode. I think we need to channel our anger into action. Get involved locally. Start having more conversations with people in the right-wing dominated spaces we navigate. But first of all, allow yourselves to rest. Rest is resistance.
Set aside 10% of whatever income drops into your bank account into a savings account. Let it accumulate, find ways to put it to good use. We can't just be talking we also need to be serving. Doing monthly or weekly community meals. Set up a way to find people who need things and raise money to help them. Tax bills, medical bills, etc. Christianity is not just telling, it's primarily doing. "Let them SEE your good works"
After a loss with massive ramifications, we absolutely have to take a look in the mirror first. You are right, Tim and April. I think it is a good time to not mince our words. There's a healthy amount of conflict within these "internal" discussions that can help move us forward. And yes - we gotta sound the alarm about what Trump 2025-2028 will look like. Thanks for this!!
@@JustanotherconsumerBrilliant economic healing, massive influx of African-American jobs, trans people getting easier access to T or E. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs AND self-expression acceptance from the government. THAT'S what I want back.
I don't want to trigger anyone, and I also want to be sensitive to the fact that I am not American. I do share your lament over the results, and I also recognize how Canada has its own Trump like politician rising in the ranks, which concerns me. But I have hope in the way of Jesus. We need to work at the grassroots, community level to resist Christian Nationalism and other fascist ideologies.
Yeah kind of similar in Australia. The current opposition leader who will probably run for PM in the next election once called asylum seekers illiterate. My dad was a refugee. He was fluent in three languages.
I was about 17 when Trump was elected the first time. I honestly didn’t know all the ins and outs about what happened there, but this is my first time finding out that Bernie Sanders was pushed out for Hillary. I thought he got sick and had to end his campaign. But the fact that they basically did what they did this time as last time…when will we learn? I don’t meant to say this in a malicious or derogatory way to wish bad on people but maybe it’s a good thing the Democratic party is much older and aging out (resigning or the “natural way” [obviously not preferable]) so that a new generation can come in and change things
The younger generation is going to need to form a new political party because the Democrats are far too compromised by their dependency on corporate interests which will be undermined by Republicans putting pressure on those interests. You can't expect a political party dependent on large corporations to be Left-wing populist.
A segment from a Moody Blues' song (The Story in Your Eyes) >> "...and from the ashes we can build another day." Harris outperformed 2020-Biden in my county north of Atlanta.
I will die mad over this election. Considered leaving up my Harris/Walz sign with another sign reading "Love your neighbor as yourself." The sad reality, imo, is that most already do. The amount of self-loathing is very apparent, and it's hard to be neighbourly to those you don't consider even human. Is empathy dead and gone😢😢
@AS-kn6cq I would say that anyone anti abortion doesn't consider women fully human. We don't get life saving treatment and are treated less than livestock. I include my own mother in this category, btw. And some consider gay people to be demonic, therefore not entitled to basic rights. Just two examples
I would be lying if I said I didn't immediately think what are Tim and April going to say? What about Beecher(sp?)?? I am so so so thankful you came out with that video after the election. It really helped!!!
From Michigan and since the election the Neo Nazi and KKK are out in droves. I think the people protesting Gaza affected the turn out too, they did it to protest but it negatively effected and affected the election in such a bad way. Right before Hitler there was worldwide depression so people were probably having the same thoughts about the cost of living.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag carrying the cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935. Trump is the reason I am no longer a republican and my so-called "christian" family and friends who voted for Trump are the reason I am deconstructing my faith.
People will not learn over the next four years. It’s human nature. Witness what happened to Jesus. That is the reality we are dealing with. Most people don’t care beyond their own noses. Most ‘Christians’ out there are those about whom Jesus said, ‘You say, “Lord! Lord” but I do not know you.’
April actually brings up a valid point. Germany actually had horrible economic conditions and inflation (their currency essentially becoming worthless) after World War I due to the provisions of the Treaty of Versailles, as well as being affected by the Great Depression (which was not just here in the U.S.). A lot of Germans were frustrated and angry and Hitler found a way to harness that anger and pin it on a scapegoat (the Jews). So, yes, in a sense, there were probably Germans who "voted with their pocketbooks." I took an elective in college on the Holocaust and it included us studying Hitler's rise to power and what was going on in Germany in the first couple decades after World War I. Hitler was originally democratically elected but took advantage of a crisis to give himself emergency powers, plus the president of Germany that was still in office when he first was elected was very old.
I was raised a Christian nationalist in a Lutheran denomination. I am now an atheist. I became one way before this debacle. I did not find Christianity to be very loving, accepting or forgiving.
You know, thanks for this. I grew up mainline Christian and drifted to atheism over the years, so I know some of the teachings of the Bible and impressions of Christians I was around at the time, people like Fathers Donahue and Chris and Deacon Jones, right? I can't imagine these people would go in for a muscle-bound Jesus with a machine gun, right? As far as cheaper housing, one of Harris's ideas was 3m new houses and $25k for first-time buyers.This - is what will push housing prices down. As long as people are engaging in bidding wars for housing, the price will go up. But part of that also is that everyone wants to move to places with a good economy and high wages. Yeah, you can find a place in rural Mississippi for $50k, but what are you going to do there? In Colorado, which has a strong economy, a trailer will cost you $150k. People move where the jobs are, and if there isn't a surplus of houses the price goes up. And then you have to deal with the fact if prices go down, suddenly half the buyers are underwater. But no, Trump is unrepentantly evil in my estimation. I have lost _a lot_ of respect forthe church.
I really wish i was a better public speaker and better with my words...because I have A LOT to say on the new Republic party, Christianity, and everything.
I also had a crisis of faith when he won the first time. Yesterday, I broke down, looked up at my ceiling and said “I hate you…”
I really regret saying it, but I’m still hurting and scared. But we’re still here, and we need to push back. We need to look out for our neighbors who are going to be targeted by this administration.
No. You're on the right track. Walk away. It's a non-truth. Do you like being lied to? Your gut told you yesterday. If "He" is real....... "He" is a sadistic jerk, insecure and narcissistic. A huge member maybe? It's all so phallic. And fictitious. Religion is how we got here. Religion steals your wallet and helps you look for it.
Try to sit alone and imagine, that your thoughts are nothing but electrical signals and synapses. You are alone. No one can hear your thoughts. You aren't being watched. There's nothing there. God isn't there, and there's no one in your head but you. And no one can save us but us.
If there is a god, he's too mean for me to be associated with. I'm a good person in my own mind, and I don't keep friends with anyone who would let this all happen.
Remember to repent from that.
@ I never should’ve said it.
@@rachelfay9582 There are plenty of psalms where faithful believers express frustration with God. God can handle it. Move forward by doing good not only to your friends but to those who seek to harm. "Overcome evil with good".
Rage prayers by Elizabeth Riley
So many evangelicals believe their prayers have been answered. And we (including me, a black woman) have been praying against their judgement. We’ve been warning, praying & making pleas. And they just fought their way into their own judgement & consequences. There is a REASON for the rise in deconstruction. We’re talking about this as if it’s a normal election with just a rude guy. It’s not. This is not about politics. There’s people’s lives that will be lost to this administration. It’s not about him being an imperfect man. It’s about what’s about to happen to our neighbors.
“Woe to the shepherds who are destroying and scattering the sheep of My pasture!” declares the LORD. Therefore thus says the LORD God of Israel concerning the shepherds who are tending My people: “You have scattered My flock and driven them away, and have not attended to them; behold, I am about to attend to you for the evil of your deeds,” declares the LORD.
- Jeremiah 23:1-2
Jeremiah is a bleak read but it’s worth reading in its entirety.
“Peace, peace” when there is no peace may haunt us soon…
I seldom I see my scriptures in these comments in any context other than misuse and misappropriation thank you for your wisdom shalom
You are completely misquoting the Bible. So you thought that Harris winning who is for Abortion and gay marriage would be an answer to prayer. You are sadly misguided.
@ There was no candidate who was an answer to prayer. But there is a movement that has made itself synonymous with God which we are praying stop. It’s the greatest threat to the church & the church has co-signed it. That’s not a misquote. Thats the quote. And God is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow.
I certainly am not. We’ll be praying for you.
Absolutely! There's a REASON for the rise in deconstruction.
I had a crisis of faith when he won the first time. Then I remembered how God warned us that the path is narrow.
Thank you for what you do. It's going to be very difficult, and those of us who are "progressive" Christians will need to keep each other motivated and lifted up.
This is the same thought that kept me in the faith while most of my Christian friends played mental gymnastics to support an open fascist tyrant. History will vindicate us
@@justanotherguy9012I just told a friend, at least we will not be carrying any guilt or shame as things play out.
Non-Christian here and was looking forward to this video. You did not disappoint and said everything I've been feeling. I'm ready to be involved and find a community to work with.
Thank you!
I'm still gutted, not sure I can continue to go to my church knowing 80% or more probably voted for this...
Right there with you! I don't want to worship with folk who are filled with so much hate.
I’m struggling with the same, esp since I am a black woman at a white church. Between Trump being elected in 2016, covid, BLM protests, overturning of Dobbs, and now Trump’s election AGAIN…I am really struggling to feel in community with my fellow believers. Even though we all claim to love Jesus, it is now clear our morals and values are very different. And I am struggling with knowing how to move forward with that knowledge. 😢
April, I was one of those who came to your defense on Twitter(I have since closed my account)...
I think "Polite ANTIFA" really needs to become a thing!
I wish you & everyone Peace & Joy as we face the unknown ahead, may Truth & Justice win out over hate and fear!!!
@@lisabrown1782 Do you really think trump voters are filled with hate?
@@AS-kn6cq I hope it's just ignorance, but voting for Trump in the context of Christianity is either, you've never read the Bible and don't know it's messaging, or you chose to ignore its messaging and have chosen fear, anger, hate, and fascism based on Trump's words and actions. So which is it?
I really appreciate the work that y'all are doing. I found Tim from the Paul & Morgan video, and as a fellow Millenial raised in a conservative Christian household who has done a lot of religious and political deconstruction since Trump's first term, I really look forward to these videos. I'm currently working through a coding course and this is perfect company while I go through exercises and projects, especially after Tuesday.
Being a Homeless Veteran for 10yrs if any of you think it's easy it's not. Nobody cares about our situation Now i make 22k weekly. have a home, a wife, a lovely daughter... A child of God. HALLELUJAH
How did you do it? Do explain please 😯
My family have been into series of sufferings lately
All thanks to Maria Luisa Clare
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states 🇺🇸🇺🇸 also paid for my daughter's surgery (Joey). Glory to God.shalom.
Wow 😱 I know her too
Miss Maria Luisa Clare is a remarkable individual whom has brought immense positivity and inspiration into my life..
Absolutely! I've heard stories of people who started with little to no knowledge but made it out victoriously thanks to Maria Luisa Clare.
Cradle Democrat in his mid-forties here, and you are speaking TRUTH regarding Dem policies over the past couple of decades. We were once the party of the New Deal. We need to return to our roots and pitch an actual better tomorrow. The steady rightward slide of this country has worried me for decades. And here we are...
I sold my Tesla stock. It's suppose to do great in the coming years. I feel like some people around me want to make money off the hardship of others. My reward is the Kingdom.
That's probably a bit far-fetched. Do you really think that the gates to the place depend on you buying or selling stocks? If your God is capitalism maybe.
I ❤ the fact that you say everything that I feel. Thank you!
I became a monthly donor yesterday. This work is clearly so important. Thank you for doing this on our behalf!
As a black woman, I thank you for saying that. The world doesn't want a woman and most definitely not a black woman. They choose hate and money over love.
We did not vote hate. You call us Nazis. That is hate. God gave us Trump, who is so full of love. No more wars.
@@tresjackson3881 very sexist and racist remark.
@@littlenickypickletoe what is funny is how insulted you are at being called Nazis. That's the interesting thing
Unless the wealth gap is addressed, the angry voter will continue to be the power behind the electorate. Unfortunately, neither party is able to push back the greed of the top 1 percent.
Dems care more about bipartisanship than justice. That has to change
Thank you so much for this from a Christian community. You are my tribe 💙🇺🇸🙏
My Jewish grandparents watched what was happening in Germany and Poland in 1933 and their response was to move to Canada I'm able to tell you this because they made that choice shalom my Christian brothers and sisters
Greetings and welcome to you!
This is literally the most disrespectful comment you can make to the legacy of the 16 million people who lost their lives as a result of that regime.
Whatever you think of Trump. To opine that he is the next Hitler is just shameful.
Could happen in Canada too with PoliTrump conservatives
@@chiefnama790
Trump is equivalent to Hitler.
You truly speak the language of my people, thank you so much for your support and kindness
So appreciate your diligence, heart, and hard work! Keep going, living and loving out loud; we need your voice here more than ever!!
My youngest (who is trans) came to me crying the morning after the election (they are 15). I told them that we will get through this. I am working on it.
Pray for deliverance for your whole family❤
New Jersey is a trans sanctuary state. It's really not as expensive to live here as people make it out to be. The counties right by New York City have stupid high property taxes, but outside there it's reasonable. Also, a lot of what other states leave up to loosely regulated private companies NJ includes in your taxes. It's a place to keep in mind if you and your kids need to get out ASAP. My state won't insert itself into the healthcare your kid needs. At least for now. Something tells me this incoming fascist government is going to ruin everywhere for everyone because we all know their "states rights" rhetoric is just that.
I work at a school and my job pertains to working with population that is almost entirely immigrant students. This week I have had kids going to the nurse with panic attacks or had to bring them to my office or the counselor’s in tears. They are afraid their asylum cases will be denied and they’ll be sent back to places where they were directed threatened, victims of terrible violence, witnessed the murder of family members.
The Ukrainian kids came to school distraught on Wednesday. Their whole country might not exist in three months and yet they are supposed to function as normal and make their way through an ordinary day at school.
@@jglobetrotter2830 😢 This makes me so sad.
I'm a 66 yo mixed race Black woman who married a White evangelical man in the 90s and bought into ALL of it. Thirty years of hearing a vote for Republicans is godly and a vote for Democrats is of the devil. Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, homeschooled my son, patriarchal church, Doug Wilson, we almost moved to Idaho. My millennial son left it all and Christianity. I left it all much later but cannot and will not ever leave Jesus. That's how I found your channel.
Frankly, as a later baby boomer, it's been hard to watch Tim and April rather than watch Russell Moore even though you all have been hurt by White evangelicals. However, I am closer to Progressivism than I EVER thought I would. Tim and April, THIS show right here speaks to me. I've learned from all your interviews and now I'm going to watch you two as well. I am retiring soon on a fixed income that is less than what I'm earning now, but TNE will be a part of my giving budget. Im becoming a monthly donor today. I want you both to grow, continue speaking truth to power and be comfortable in raising your young families.
Thanks!
April is totally SPOT ON!!! 100 percent. Also Tim is right!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
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💯 agreed. I plan on making daily changes to stop funding my oppression from Big Money. It isn’t politics anymore. We the people have way more power than we have utilized & I plan on figuring out how to use that these next four years. 💗
keep it going guys, you are an amazing blend of faith and reason!
I have been looking forward to this all week. I hope it is okay for everyone today. Love your hair style April!!!!! Also as a public health professional I am sooooooo scared of RFK....
Thank you. There’s too much to say, so just, thank you.
SPOT on Tim Whitaker
Hey Tim and April thank you for making this video. I still attend a very conservative evangelical church, and celebration over this tragedy is crushing me. It’s good to see people of faith speak truth to power. I’ve kept my socialist values a secret the whole time I’ve attended there, maybe now is the time to have some conversations with people about these topics
If you can, keep being a light in a dark place. If you can't take the pain of being verbally beaten down by your siblings, you're allowed to shake the dust off your shoes and walk away to a home that was meant for you.
Writing from Dearborn, MI. I teach piano for a living to primarily muslim families, and from the way the kids talked about Kamala, I can vouch that most Muslims voted for Trump that I know, if not all of them.
They do know he's gonna let Netanyahoo turn Gaza into a beachside attraction, right?
I am a moderate independent and have heard of those folks and Project 2025. I listen to various podcasts for food for thought.
I am also an older Gen X'er who gets her news from newspaper, TV, and podcasts.
I am hoping that we can work out a win all they way around.
Stay strong April! You are not alone. I am praying that their eyes and ears will be opened. They are lost in their delusions being fed a steady diet of propoganda.
April and Tim keep speaking the truth! I appreciate your channel.
Thank you guys, may God continue to bless us and protect us I will continue to pray this was written I do believe we are facing the dark times. our faith now needs to be the stronger than ever before. ❤✝️🕊️
Hello, my friends. I was looking for you on election night. I'm so glad to have this time with both of you today! 💞 I love the haircut, April!
Please don’t ever stop this show. We need you to get through this
I really needed this podcast tbh
No criticism here; this is excellent discussion. Hoping that folks are listening.
Y'all are awesome! Thank you for being there for us that are floundering.
Not a Christian, LOVE this show!
I was born and raised in the southern pentecostal church of god denomination. Steeped in it from the day i came out of the womb. Leaving was the best decision i made for my mental health. I was very involved and had conservative values...I left after being in it for about 28 years.
And we are here too guys! We're in this together!
Part of what got me out of the fundie church I was in years ago was befriending people who the church told me were "evil" and seeing for myself that they weren't anything like what my church told me they were, so I've spent the last 8 years knowing that I'm up against a cult and trying to be the not-so-evil "evil" person in people's lives hoping they'll eventually see what I did. This result feels like a giant "eff you" and a lot of wasted emotional labor for all of those efforts. Like you, I understand and agree with a lot of people's frustrations, but I wasn't under the impression that TFG would make those frustrations anything but worse. As one of my favorite content creators said recently, "I wish we were better."
I want to believe what you're saying, because honestly it's better than the other option which is that people knew exactly who and what trump is and voted for him because of that.
But at some point we have to stop 'blaming people' and just accept that perhaps a country that has always been racist, misogynist and xenophobic still is.
I think we hold on to this hope that if people are presented with facts, data, time stamps, evidence... they would not choose trump or ideologies that hinder their own communities.. and yet here we are... so maybe you are right.
@@jasminem3301 I really don't want to be.
I may not be religious, but I will assist you guys, thank you.
Btw, for anyone who hasn’t read April’s book, you should! It’s a great read❣️
Everything you've said is completely my exact sentiments. Everything that I have been taught as a youngster is irrelevant. Honesty, empathy, patience, love. It. Does. Not. Matter. These people do not care about anything that Jesus did. They claim to, but they do not. I feel like I don't even recognize this world anymore. When and where did I miss the exit ramp??
Not gonna lie, I have been one of those people needing your voices after Tuesday. Thank you for sticking with it
April is right. On election night I thought "Putin won".
I hate putin putin leads to shitin. Sorry. It's my new joke. I'm seeing if l it gets a laugh
But Putin is fighting the decadent evil satanic west! The orthodox bishop of russia called it a holy war!😅
apparently the average voter was still googling on election day if Joe Biden was still running.
19:04 thank yall for being so freaking HONEST!!!!!❤️💯
I think you are right! I know I was telling others I was voting against something rather than for something. We need to talk about these things!
People need community where they feel safe and accepted, in my opinion. Aside from basic needs, such as food, housing, water, etc.
Saying 'forgive them they know not what they do' is a far kinder approach than I have to this. Blessings to you for having that kind of heart.
I have more of an Avenging Angel viewpoint currently.
Perhaps the world could benefit right now from both takes on this?
My thoughts are they shouldn't have that 'out'. This isn't his first presidency and what he did the last time with deportations, massive death, arguing with states about sending medical devices that were needed, empty shelves, paper products costing double, and a host of other things showed all of us exactly who he is enough for these voters to be knowing in their actions now.
Adding to that plenty of those that worked for his administration the first go round, people he was around, and many others have risked a great deal to profess to the world who he is and what his plans are. They came with warnings and even joined us to try to stop him. Those are the people that I could say that they knew not what they did at the time and when they did they made great efforts to stand against him.
We have watched for four years as Trump and his cohorts have met with leaders, ignored the fact there is another president, and showed disrespect to the president and people of this nation. When he did speak he told everyone exactly what he stood for and who he was, and the majority of America voted for him anyway. So I will not be willing to allow them off on the 'they know not what they do'. They knew.
So on that point I do respectfully disagree with you April Ajoy, but I also admire your ability to have a kind heart.
I don't consider myself religious, I prefer the term spiritual.
Though I do think the best choice for an Avenging Angel for the magas to face off with would be Avenging Angel Raguel. Does anyone think another Angel would be better for right now? This question is open to other belief systems and deities too.. Gods and goddess suggestions welcome as well.
People on a certain level - that level varies among individuals - do not know what they're doing. Yes. They have some awareness. But. That awareness is limited, and to differing degrees with each individual. Why? Because humans are imperfect and we all have areas of blindness that exists within us. If we all saw and understood the deeper recesses of our entire soul's makeup, I'm doubtful that we'd be here experiencing what we are as we are.
I have to be willing to look in the mirror at Shannon and ask myself what's operating in me that feels threatened by the other, so much so, that it leads to hate and violence.
While I'm not actively out there committing violence, I understand that I'm just as capable on some level as the next person.
I need others with whom I can openly dialogue and be transparent. This includes those with whom I may disagree and vice versa. People tend to surround themselves largely only with those that'll agree with them. I'll never learn anything this way.
The more my finger is pointed at the other, the less I'll be able or even willing to see what and how the very thing I so strongly oppose manifests in and through me.
People who are In Their Right Minds don't allow fear to control them to the point at which they commit atrocities.
I can't be driven by fear and simultaneously moved by love.
Fear and Love are opposites.
Hatred and violence are byproducts of fear.
You are 100% right!!!!
My Christian friends have all told me that Trump doesn’t know anything about Project 2025. I guess they are going to find out.
While they secretly want everything that is in Project 2025.
Maybe they're right, maybe he doesn't, but it doesn't matter because everyone in power propping him up does and that's what scares me.
Do they say it because they believe it or do they say it because they think you’ll believe them?
I'm sorry, but I don't trust a word out of these people's mouths anymore. They know about Project 2025 and they LOVE what they hear. They just say these stupid things because they think we're stupid enough to believe them. They got what they wanted and they will openly lie just to try to remain friends. I don't want to hear them cry when they inevitably get destroyed by the very thing they crave.
Great show.
Tim and April, if anyone gives you trouble over what you're saying they haven't been paying attention! I agree with everything you said! Keep up the good work. Whether you see it or not, you have a lot of support 💙💙
APRIL LOVE LOVE LOVE YOUR BOOK !!!
Thank you for mentioning again the similarity between pastors' sermons on voting as a Christian. I track that stuff in my county and there were so many sermons talking about how "it's not a political issue, it's a theological issue," or "we're voting for policies, not personality," or "Jesus wasn't a Democrat or a Republican." Notably, there were little to no critiques of the Republican party, just mostly misinformation about Democratic policies.
It really hit home for me, though, how much propaganda and misguided bias have tainted how so many people view the world, when I listened to a sermon my brother-in-law gave. He's a pastor (who was very supportive of my racial justice advocacy in 2020!). He said the usual about Jesus not being a Republican or Democrat and how political issues are actually really theological issues, and then he spent nearly 10 minutes near tears saying lie after lie about the Democratic party. A lot of it was demonizing queer community, making claims that children are being mutilated and indoctrinated in school and that parents' rights are being taken away. Like I said, he supported my racial justice advocacy. He was the only one in my husband's family who did so. He's always been a very kind, loving, and respectful person. But then I hear this sermon, where he's talking about people like me, queer people, as if we're demonically-influenced and promoting evil. Just saying lie after lie, and crying like he truly believes it. I want to reach out to him and give him actual, factual info about trans issues because it hurts my by heart to see him so scared about things that's aren't true. But it hurts even more knowing he heard those untrue things and assumed they were true without question, that he wouldn't hesitate to say people like me who actively support the trans people in my life are supporting a demonic agenda.
Hi Tim I have really appreciated your channel. You and April were particularly articulate about your impressions of why Harris lost this election. And yes. You are right. We all need to be pro-active when it comes to fighting this great evil in the USA. Democracy is not something that we can take for granted. But the battle has to be done in the love and spirit of Christ. No spitting, or swearing, but to love our neighbour as ourselves. And we are in this battle TOGETHER!
I agree start with the Gospel and Jesus's teaching and message. That will win on the long term.
Tim and April I am right there with you two! All of this has only served to fuel a fire within me too!
The basic unit of democracy is not the individual, or the family. It's small groups / communities. It's those groups -- which are RARE today -- that help organize a "media diet" and provide sanity checks on it.
I saw an interview with Paul Jay (theAnalysis-news) where he was talking about the vital importance of learning how to speak to people from a religious point of view. I wrote to Paul letting him know about TNE and Vote Common Good.
As a black trans Canadian I am appalled and disappointed. But we must stay strong we have work to do. Progressive church’s to grow and lives to save.
Thank you Tim and April! We need each other and I’m so happy we don’t have to be alone. ✊💙❤️🩹
I feel your pain and anger. I will also say we are all out of adrenaline. There's nothing left. I think nothing will make them see what they have done more clearly is a Trump presidency. We will clearly see if Trump won or the country did. I hate that they ignore history. Some of us can't. Not to mention, Christians chose greed about people.
I truly wish you were being extreme! I recently sent a message to a friend explaining why I was leaving our church which is teaching Christian Nationalism, and reread it, and thought this sounds crazy, but it is what is going on. Her response was, Wow! I have never heard from her again!
Sacrificed morality for tax cuts they’ll never get
Judas moment
And lower prices and higher wages they'll never get.
@@JustinWO-31 Maybe for some, but there could also be real strugglers whose lot didn't improve during the previous term.
They’re really trying to compare the guy who wrote “Have mercy upon me O God, according the multitude of Thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions” to someone who blatantly refuses to ask God for forgiveness? 💀😭
There's a joke about Judgement Day that after the deity shows Trump all his bad works and asks him what he would say about himself, and Trump says, "You're in my seat."
Great episode this was much needed and well done
We are here and pushing Back
The Lord will rise up evil rulers as well as good to do His will and it helps to draw those who truly serve Jesus into a smaller flock. I was crushed by the election results, but I know there are many passages in the Word that tell of Godly people serving under evil leaders. We just need to keep loving on people, being His hands and feet as the world keeps being worldly. Praying for all of my brothers and sisters struggling emotionally and mentally with this. You’re not alone.
April. You're right about a concerted effort to get pastors involved in pushing rightwing politics in this election. My home church's pastor (evangelical and Mennonite) went to a conference where they pushed rightwing points (by the revisionist historian the right likes) and he used these in his "pastor's notes" as fact the next week. Absolutely no self reflection on their part.
Every time Time says, "This may sound radical," I know he's gonna speak some real truth to power, and I love it. But for real, why are we coddling people who keep leading us astray?
She's right.
One thing is definitely certain this country is about to become even more polarized.
This is great . Thank you . God bless you from 🇬🇧
This was a cathartic episode. I think we need to channel our anger into action. Get involved locally. Start having more conversations with people in the right-wing dominated spaces we navigate. But first of all, allow yourselves to rest. Rest is resistance.
This a fantastic review of the mess we’re in!
Set aside 10% of whatever income drops into your bank account into a savings account. Let it accumulate, find ways to put it to good use. We can't just be talking we also need to be serving. Doing monthly or weekly community meals. Set up a way to find people who need things and raise money to help them. Tax bills, medical bills, etc. Christianity is not just telling, it's primarily doing. "Let them SEE your good works"
Get the "heck out of Dodge". Yep. Great way to put it. And I'm from Kansas. Sometimes you just have to.
After a loss with massive ramifications, we absolutely have to take a look in the mirror first. You are right, Tim and April. I think it is a good time to not mince our words. There's a healthy amount of conflict within these "internal" discussions that can help move us forward. And yes - we gotta sound the alarm about what Trump 2025-2028 will look like. Thanks for this!!
The best way to sound the alarm is simply to remind people of what happened from 2017-2020.
@@JustanotherconsumerBrilliant economic healing, massive influx of African-American jobs, trans people getting easier access to T or E. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs AND self-expression acceptance from the government. THAT'S what I want back.
April can yu share that quote on Threads please!?!? That was amazing reminder
I don't want to trigger anyone, and I also want to be sensitive to the fact that I am not American. I do share your lament over the results, and I also recognize how Canada has its own Trump like politician rising in the ranks, which concerns me. But I have hope in the way of Jesus.
We need to work at the grassroots, community level to resist Christian Nationalism and other fascist ideologies.
Yeah kind of similar in Australia. The current opposition leader who will probably run for PM in the next election once called asylum seekers illiterate. My dad was a refugee. He was fluent in three languages.
I was about 17 when Trump was elected the first time. I honestly didn’t know all the ins and outs about what happened there, but this is my first time finding out that Bernie Sanders was pushed out for Hillary. I thought he got sick and had to end his campaign. But the fact that they basically did what they did this time as last time…when will we learn? I don’t meant to say this in a malicious or derogatory way to wish bad on people but maybe it’s a good thing the Democratic party is much older and aging out (resigning or the “natural way” [obviously not preferable]) so that a new generation can come in and change things
The younger generation is going to need to form a new political party because the Democrats are far too compromised by their dependency on corporate interests which will be undermined by Republicans putting pressure on those interests.
You can't expect a political party dependent on large corporations to be Left-wing populist.
I was very upset about the election but can't think about it now because we are in a snow apocalypse in eastern Colorado!
Comment at 53:16: And now I'm inspired to listen to "We're Not Gonna Take It" by Twisted Sister.
It's also time to change the two-party system.
A segment from a Moody Blues' song (The Story in Your Eyes) >> "...and from the ashes we can build another day."
Harris outperformed 2020-Biden in my county north of Atlanta.
Christian nationalists: "Working hard to turn 'the Last Days' into a self-fulfilling prophecy."
I bet she outperformed Biden everywhere and suspect there was some foul play to get the results that we have.
It wasn't close, but I wouldn't call it a landslide. This margin is similar to the margin of George W over John Kerry 2004 and Obama vs. Romney 2012.
Capitalism => This is really who we Americans are
Well screamed Tim!!
I will die mad over this election. Considered leaving up my Harris/Walz sign with another sign reading "Love your neighbor as yourself." The sad reality, imo, is that most already do. The amount of self-loathing is very apparent, and it's hard to be neighbourly to those you don't consider even human. Is empathy dead and gone😢😢
Empathy is a sin now.
Not sure who you are talking about. Those who don’t consider their neighbors human.
Yes, and if the Republicans could, they'd make empathy and compassion a crime.
@AS-kn6cq I would say that anyone anti abortion doesn't consider women fully human. We don't get life saving treatment and are treated less than livestock. I include my own mother in this category, btw. And some consider gay people to be demonic, therefore not entitled to basic rights. Just two examples
I would be lying if I said I didn't immediately think what are Tim and April going to say? What about Beecher(sp?)?? I am so so so thankful you came out with that video after the election. It really helped!!!
From Michigan and since the election the Neo Nazi and KKK are out in droves. I think the people protesting Gaza affected the turn out too, they did it to protest but it negatively effected and affected the election in such a bad way. Right before Hitler there was worldwide depression so people were probably having the same thoughts about the cost of living.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag carrying the cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935. Trump is the reason I am no longer a republican and my so-called "christian" family and friends who voted for Trump are the reason I am deconstructing my faith.
Sometimes God gives people over to their worst desires - to teach them.
Second comment, so wonderful! Thank you!
People will not learn over the next four years. It’s human nature. Witness what happened to Jesus. That is the reality we are dealing with. Most people don’t care beyond their own noses. Most ‘Christians’ out there are those about whom Jesus said, ‘You say, “Lord! Lord” but I do not know you.’
April actually brings up a valid point. Germany actually had horrible economic conditions and inflation (their currency essentially becoming worthless) after World War I due to the provisions of the Treaty of Versailles, as well as being affected by the Great Depression (which was not just here in the U.S.). A lot of Germans were frustrated and angry and Hitler found a way to harness that anger and pin it on a scapegoat (the Jews). So, yes, in a sense, there were probably Germans who "voted with their pocketbooks." I took an elective in college on the Holocaust and it included us studying Hitler's rise to power and what was going on in Germany in the first couple decades after World War I. Hitler was originally democratically elected but took advantage of a crisis to give himself emergency powers, plus the president of Germany that was still in office when he first was elected was very old.
31:16 I absolutely agree! They chose their pocketbooks over fellow humans.
It shows that our culture of “money equals success” is MESSED UP
I was raised a Christian nationalist in a Lutheran denomination. I am now an atheist. I became one way before this debacle. I did not find Christianity to be very loving, accepting or forgiving.
You know, thanks for this. I grew up mainline Christian and drifted to atheism over the years, so I know some of the teachings of the Bible and impressions of Christians I was around at the time, people like Fathers Donahue and Chris and Deacon Jones, right? I can't imagine these people would go in for a muscle-bound Jesus with a machine gun, right?
As far as cheaper housing, one of Harris's ideas was 3m new houses and $25k for first-time buyers.This - is what will push housing prices down. As long as people are engaging in bidding wars for housing, the price will go up. But part of that also is that everyone wants to move to places with a good economy and high wages. Yeah, you can find a place in rural Mississippi for $50k, but what are you going to do there? In Colorado, which has a strong economy, a trailer will cost you $150k. People move where the jobs are, and if there isn't a surplus of houses the price goes up. And then you have to deal with the fact if prices go down, suddenly half the buyers are underwater.
But no, Trump is unrepentantly evil in my estimation. I have lost _a lot_ of respect forthe church.
I really wish i was a better public speaker and better with my words...because I have A LOT to say on the new Republic party, Christianity, and everything.