its easy to pick loads of holes in this, lifting techniques 15:47, handling cement with the bare hands 6:40, wearing shorts, and a pair of trainers, kneeling on wet mortar 8:20, that's quite a deep bed under the tiles, 240 cables trailing about the place 13:17, 13:08 no dust mask, but this is a nice job, it looks lovely and clean at the end.
That’s the best comment I’ve ever heard and very well taken you might have a point I confess hands up busted 😂 You’ve put a huge smile on my face so I thank you 👍🏴
@@christopher6603 🤣🤣🤣 you took your time showing up to the haters party, lockdown must twistings your perpendiculars. Let me guess over priced and wrong colour socks for a tuesday?
I am from Tunisia and this is exactly how we do our patios and exterior space , some peoples even use Terrazzo tiles . I have some cement tiles that I wanted to lay with Mortar the same way you did here , and everyone I asked here in Florida was like chocked lol 😂 they only lay sand here and lay pavers on top of it that’s it . No ones uses cement to lay pavers or tiles outside ... i finally tried to do the job and I am almost done , it was a first experience and not bad . But you did an amazing job in this video .
Glad to here your job went well using the same method 👍 so many Americans say it has to be on a concrete pad it drives me insane this is the method we use over here and it’s perfectly fine. ua-cam.com/video/tdKZ4eyo5nE/v-deo.html. Enjoy your weekend from Wales 👍🏴
Absolutely amazing job. If that was my patio I would be so reassured right now that my money was spent well. I've just moved into a new build and need to get some paving done in the garden. You just set my bar high. I'm going back and forth between slate (from Wales actually) or porcelain. I like how modern the porcelain tiles look but I also love the rustic natural look of real stone. Either way it's still a lot of money as I'm looking at 80m² in total.
Tough choice contemporary and rustic why not go for both just zone it off with something. Some stone do have some great marbleised patterns that porcelain will never have I do really like that. My rate for porcelain is £170m2 if that helps stone a bit less
Were you getting high at the 1:11 mark?!🤣 All jokes aside, you showed me a much better way to do grout on my current patio project! Working smarter, not harder!
Hi mate you do a Sterling job just came across your channel the other day now subbed. Am a bricklayer haven’t done to much of the porcelain slabs done small job with them. Mostly Indian slate style slabs few others put them down pretty much same as your self. Must say your finished work is of a high standard very well explained videos. Keep up the good work. 👍🏻😎
The porcelain slabs are so much easier than Indian sandstone because they can vary in size and you end up with shit joints but the porcelain slabs are all calibrated every single one the same size which makes your life so much easier same spacers all day. 👍🏴
Nice job. My guys do like to use a slightly wetter mix, but there will be no problem with the primer use. Its amazing how many so called Landscapers who dont use the slurry on porcelain slabs telling customers it will be fine! 👍
Years ago I always used a bricklaying type mix for laying slabs then I watched a couple of Marshall’s online UA-cam videos on mix texture and it was a lot drier than I would normally use so I went with that never looked back. And yes it’s all about the primer the most important part of tile installation it sticks like glue once down you’ll never get it up unless you smash it up. Thanks for the message Michael always good to hear from fellow landscapers 👍🏴
Try this link and you’ll get some of my mates local to you. Just say I sent you 👍🏴www.marshalls.co.uk/gardens-and-driveways/approved-garden-and-driveway-installers
Hi bud. Do you like using a a semi dry mix as you are laying on a large morter bed. I do the same and find it easier to control the bed structure when having to play with falls a lot. Great video.
As for the mixture I did for that patio go for a semi dry type mix and now started using patio clips to bond them together allowing me to use a normal mix and actually it’s working well. I’ve got another video of me using them every job now. 👍🏴
Really like those tile stealth cover to hide drains and what not underneath. I wish I could like find similar for my irrigation cover. Do you know what those are called? TIA
Howya Tidy... Great work. Quick question please. Could you cut 20mm R11 outdoor porcelain with a Rubi TZ ? Doing a small DIY project and need to split a few tiles in half. Very hard to hire wet plunge saws round here. Thanks
A semi dry lean mix is also a vital part of the drainage, it allows any water that passes through the grout joint to seep through to the sub base and then into the ground below instead of sitting between the slab and cement bed, which could freeze during the winter months and lift a slab. This is very often over looked
Mark Neilson no it doesn’t it’s a solid mortar that resists algae too unlike the Porous grouts that I find never really set that hard as you can push a screw driver it normally after a week or two.
Awesome video and work! Keep it up! Could you please advise how to prepare the floor before laying the tiles. What materials to lay and in which order? Many thanks.
I've laid a few patios in the past few years starting with cheap concrete slabs on a wet mix but easy to level but do move around alot then tried a drier mix with some heavy sawn yorkies a bit harder and slower to lay but I think personally better in the long run
I had been told by a few people that you shouldn’t pave up to the brick work, but to leave a small gap and fill with small stone to prevent splash back on the dpc, also to allow a bit water to seep down to stop the clay beneath the foundation from drying out and thus any subsidence issues. Is this not the case?
Not quite the case no regulations state you must be 150mm finished floor lever beneath the dpc course 2 visible bricks. And it’s better to keep the foundation’s dry ass possible. 👍
This looks very good, can I ask how much did you dig out initially, is it 150mm or 200mm, how much sub base is required in total ? Is it 100mm and how much is the final height after compacting it all? Thank you
Your correct for the most. So 150mm dugout 100 type 1 mot compacted in 2 layers of 50mm Then 30mm sharp sand 4/1 mix Happy days one tidy patio 👍🏴
nice high class work on show in this video chaps so you are saying to lay 50 mm of mot hard core times two = 100 mm compacted hardcore . what size mot should it be ? what thickness should the bed off sharp sand be ? just trying to get my measurements the correct depth from my string lines which i presume should be minimun off two bricks down from dpc then the hard core and sharpsand and tile thickness all measured together will give the approx correct depth from the string line for digging out the earth thankyou so much for making these videos best regards mark
All correct but the sharp sand is a cement mix between 30/40 mm don’t forget to allow 10mm fall away from the house every 1m you go out. It’s always around 150mm dig out 👍🏴 Scalping are 30mm to dust Type 1 mot is the name
Thanks for the quick reply. 5mm it is then. Looking for a very similar finish to this but with 900 x 450 slabs. Not quite decided on exactly what I'm going for yet. Love the edge tile on this patio. I was going for gravel but changed my mind now, will be doing something very similar. Thank you
Nice to see a job well done.. always hear conflicting advice with porcelain, so much so its actually put me off laying it as some say concrete base, others say type 1 is enough. Ill Look forward to my first one now
Hey john it’s all good you most likely will enjoy using when you get your first contract for it, I laid stone for years loved it but always hated stone sizes always varied in size so you ended up with tight joints wide joints drove me insane but here’s where the porcelain comes in every tile exactly the same as the last finally you can use spaces and that helps you out in the long run but y0u will need a new type saw and be advisable to get a table saw because now you’ll have to be millimetre perfect 👌 About your question on laying on type1 or concrete either way will work, I normally lay on type1 but will be moving on up and start laying on concrete with a polished surface then you could use a screeding trowel and put them down as you would tiling a indoor ceramic floor. More prep work but a very speedy ending flat as a pancake any questions mate feel free Stay safe 👍🏴
Great job mate I'm a tiler from Scotland have u ever used the lashing system for the tiles gives great finish basically it's a lash with hole up the joint was a big wedge stay safe mate
@Tidybricks Landscaping, great workmanship! Your videos / tutorials are some of the best on You Tube. Good to see you're showing all steps and not hiding any trade secrets. How do you work out your tile pattern / layout beforehand considering it's a bit of a puzzle with the different size tiles? Do you have many cuts to make on the outer edge? Cheers.
I went with the pattern layout provided but you might not notice I kind of screwed the pattern a bit at one point. Still looks the biz mostly down to having a boarder around the edge as a picture frame as I call it. That did take all bank holiday Monday to do but really with that extra effort 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping cheers mate thankyou. You've done a very nice job there BTW. Some people don't realise how much time, precision and hard work goes into doing things like this. Hat off to you mate, well done.
Beautiful job.i have a porcelain patio at home but struggle to keep it clean its quiet porous so gets a lot of rust spots from furniture. Would you recommend sealing patio. Tanx
Hi Alan yes that’s true you can get rust marks such a shame but easily solved. There’s a company called lithofin they sell a cleaner called rust ex try that it works for me 👍🏴 hope this helps
Hi Tidybrick. Really enjoyed this and other videos you've made. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills. So... Please can you give an estimate number of years this patio will last before any shifting or movement takes place?
Thanks for watching as for the answer well if prepared properly then it should last a life time hard to stay stick around and I’ll post something if it moves but that might be 20/30 years plus possibly 👍🏴
This is amazing! But I’m seeing so many different ways online of laying slabs!! Can you advise? Some lay hardcore first and then a fairly dry sand/cement mix and then place the slabs straight on top .. What’s best? I’m going to be working with Indian sandstone.
That’s the way I lay patios but you could lay on concrete also. But always prime the back of the tile or slab first. Sandstone you can use SBR glue. Always lay a full cement bed never tot and dab 👍🏴
Tidybricks Landscaping - Thanks so much for getting back to me! Loved the video and will use your method. At the moment it’s just a job to get hold of sand and cement!
Tidy job Boyo :) Can I ask your advice on jointing against the house , do you use the same gap as the other tiles or a bigger gap where the tiles meet the house ?
I’ll always use a bigger gap against the house normally 10mm just incase the brickwork is running out of square a bit 5mm spaces for the tiles 👍🏴
Great video I’m going to be laying a patio for the first time soon can you tell how much sharpe sand and cement I will need the size of the patio is 5m x 3m many thanks
35mm cement bed you’ll need 1 tonne of sand and about 10 bags of cement that a 4/1 ratio hope that help 👍🏴 This is the calculator I use source4me.co.uk/calculate_sub_base.php?tab=0
All the foresight to supply from Marshalls is anti-slip anyways as for what products around the pool I would possibly say travertine as they use that a lot in the Mediterranean countries 👍🏴
The stone dust I get I 6mm to dust love the stuff I only used it to lift some low areas to fine tune. Slightly spray with water to moisten then whacker plate 🔨 solid Hope that helps 👍🏴
For that job I think I got a extra 2 ton just to fine tune levels and yes always compact just spray a bit of water over and it compacts really well 👍🏴
I don't get how the jointing compound in the joints doesn't get washed away when using the power washer. Surely the compound will be wetter in the joint than on the surface of a slab with the sun on it.. Your answer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Hi Lewis basically this material is just rapid setting grout it can be used on any material but if you do it wrong your up shit street ! Here’s my mate Dave Jessop he’ll explain it in detail.. good luck ua-cam.com/video/jX_hs_wjBiM/v-deo.html
Great video. We want to lay our own porcelian tiles. When we had builders round to do the front they laid hardcore and compacted it. Do we then just need to lay the sharp sand directly onto this or do we need to mix the sand with cement first? Sorry if it's a stupid question. Also what did you put on top of the hardcore? You suddenly have the top layer of the base down but don't say what it is. Thanks
Hi Charlotte yes correct on the hardcore base then it’s a cement mix between 30/40mm deep here’s my tips video 👍🏴 ua-cam.com/video/7tm_PSMln6k/v-deo.html
@@lizbethfernandez3562 I should of said that yes correct jagged sand particles 30/40mm I use clips now on my Patio’s they help a lot have a look at my latest project porcelain driveway 2/5 👍🏴. 3/5 tomorrow
Tidybricks Landscaping I think he meant PQC it stands for Paving quality concrete, it’s a lean, dry concrete mix, whacked on top of the type 1 it forms part of a rigid paving system. Your fellow welshman Johnny boy from landscaping survival teaches about it.
Mate- What type of road base do you lay over? I am starting a natural stone patio next tuesday and i want to do mortar set rather than sand set on this one just double checking because i like how the stuff you use packs
Fantastic video, mate! Hello from the other side of the world. Question - in several years of research for patio projects, this is the first time I've ever seen a method where you lay concrete out as you put out the tile. I think it's brilliant. What do you find the benefits of this method over just pouring a cement slab then putting down the file first? (It *seems* to me like this method would crack easily because it doesn't have expansion lines in the concrete base.)
Thanks for watching Christopher but I must quickly say no concrete was used on this job the base consists of hard-core 100 mm and then around 50 mm cement the tiles laid on there no need for expansion joints as the ground is flexible from the hard-core 👍🏴 Thanks for watching from the other side of the world
@@tidybrickslandscapinghe means the mix you used to lay the pavers, concrete is cement mixed with aggregate, granted the aggregate (stones) are bigger in ballast but ising sharp sand is still a concrete mix
@@danielsaccone7501 we do it differently to you guys across the pond don’t forget it only foot traffic concrete is overkill The cement ratio is 4/1 sharp sand mix 👍🏴
Great video. I’m soon to lay a porcelain patio at home. I’m a landscaper but haven’t laid porcelain before and I’m not experienced with drainage which is the part I struggle with most especially on a large patio. My patio is 6.5m deep so not sure what to do about drainage. 6.5m seems a bit long to just slope it away from the house on to the lawn as the drop will be quite a lot over hat distance. Any recommendations? Thanks very much!
Hi Rupert I’m here to help where I can as for the drainage for this new patio the rule of thumb is for every 1 meter away from the house the height should drop down be 10mm so over your distance 6.5m it’s only 65mm depth of a brick so not to noticeable.. and if it’s your first time laying porcelain when you make cuts you’ll need a porcelain blade and you must cut wet water to stop the tiles from chipping. I lay porcelain all the time now years ago I only laid stone which is fine but I always hated stone slabs being different sizes all the time. Porcelain tiles are all exactly the same size which helps so much allows you to use 5 mm spaces too. Keep me up to date for anything else Scott
Tidybricks Landscaping Hi Scott, thanks for your reply. Can I just buy a porcelain blade for my angle gender or do I need to purchase an actual wet saw cutter? If I so can you recommend one that’s suitable for a one off job? I don’t really want to pay huge money for something I may only use once. Thanks again. Ru
Rupert you can get a Rubi porcelain dry blade for your grinder 4 inch about £30 from tile shop Rubi tvr pro porcelain dry blade great blade I'm a tiler and use them day in day out mate stay safe from scotland
@@rupertwaspe344 Hire a wet cut bridge cutter with porcelain blade (if you dont have a suitable one), that way the cuts are dead strait ,and its a hell of a lot easier !
My patio slopes away from house and I want to put aco drain at bottom of patio. There is no pitch on patio going across the way. So how do I pitch the aco drain across the patio as it wouldn't be flush at other end as it would be a few inches lower
Great video and great work. After watching this I have just laid flags in my garden for the first time, although mine are a riven sandstone and seem pretty porous, I don’t think the grout you used would be a good idea for mine, I’m looking at using larsen’s. What else could you recommend? And would you suggest using a sealant too? Many thanks :-)
thelegand1 thanks for watching as for the grout I don’t use any other type especially not the polymeric type that’s useless. There are other liquid type of grout and you can use on sandstone too I have many times already but you’ve got to be quicker on your toes. As for a sealant I wouldn’t use it on a fresh patio for at least 6\12 months after laying to let any possible salt out otherwise you can trap the salt in the slab under the sealant and it will then bubble up and look really bad I’ve made that mistake once before never to be repeated. Also here’s my Dave to explain ua-cam.com/video/jX_hs_wjBiM/v-deo.html
Tidybricks Landscaping just clicked the link I’ve actually already seen that video when I after I looking into the grout you used. I can’t find any local retailers which even sell Marshall’s anyway but tbh I think I’d prefer a silver/grey or white grout to match my platinum coloured slabs better, as I’m aware marshalls is only available in charcoal and natural?
thelegand1 new colours coming soon apparently and as for the retailers not selling it 🤷♂️ I just ask and they send but I have been shown how to use it by them before they would let me use it so that might have something to do with it. Because if you fuck it up you’re screwed it’ll be ruined. So if you do use it make sure you got all the gear before you start mixing. I can be stressful especially in the summer
Thank you for this video, I’ve had porcelain tiles laid wrongly, builders came back and removed them but never came back to lay them, I’m disabled and needed it all flush with my doors, slot drain is in front of doors, now I have a concrete patio with tile adhesive stuck to it and all my 600 x 600 porcelain tiles are a mess. The levels were all wrong and the tiles started moving because the adhesive was coming up the sides where the grout should be. My question is do we smash up the patio and start again or can the patio be saved and levelled, also the tiles have adhesive and grout stuck to them how do I get them clean? My patio is about the same size as this one, I can’t afford to get a professional in now but I’m hoping you will be able to give me some advice. Thank you
Sounds like 2 options rip it up all of it as the levels are wrong anyways so it’ll all have to go or possibly you kind of make do with what’s there and get it cement finished and live with it, whatever the route you’ll be taking it is very unfortunate situation you’re in. Here is a way of finding top landscapers www.marshalls.co.uk/gardens-and-driveways/approved-garden-and-driveway-installers
Semi dry or wet it all dries the same but it’s more difficult if you use a wetter mix they can move more and excess cement rises to the top through the joints and makes the face of the tile dirty. As long as you use a good primer it’ll set the same. Actually just uploaded a new video today using the primer. 👍🏴
I have always been a fan of blinding down type 1 bases especially for gravel drive and recently for a patio. Thinking about your bedding mix would you consider using a Pan style mixer? Something like the Baron Mixers the screed guys use? Impressive video by the way.
Just googled those mixers they look the biz 👍 I could get a conveyor too same place shit I need a bigger van I love type one you can almost sculpt with it I remember one of my first patios where I used it but didn’t know you had to wet it !!! I was a very dusty garden in the end lucky for me it was all well contained within the garden walls Just remembered it was paving phew 😅
Tidy job on the installation!! Glad to have professionals like you still around :) Do you know if I can use a 10mm outdoor rated tile wet set into concrete? I talked to the manufacturer in their warehouse and they say that the tile and the pacer are the exact same thing except the paver is thicker...Is there something I should know before trying to install some 10mm outdoor floor rated tiles outside? Thanks in advance, keep up the great work!!!
Well if it’s a outdoor tile then I suppose it’s fine. You don’t always have to tile on concrete a flexible bed 100 type1 mot hardcore base like I do is totally fine 👍🏴
Tidybricks Landscaping everything is going battery, only thing is that there basically a cordless 9” grinder arent they with the blade size. Think of the petrol you wouldnt have to mess around with!👍
its easy to pick loads of holes in this, lifting techniques 15:47, handling cement with the bare hands 6:40, wearing shorts, and a pair of trainers, kneeling on wet mortar 8:20, that's quite a deep bed under the tiles, 240 cables trailing about the place 13:17, 13:08 no dust mask, but this is a nice job, it looks lovely and clean at the end.
That’s the best comment I’ve ever heard and very well taken you might have a point I confess hands up busted 😂
You’ve put a huge smile on my face so I thank you 👍🏴
David Shields perhaps read full comment and reply donut
David Shields busted 😂 it’s all good 👍
@@christopher6603 🤣🤣🤣 you took your time showing up to the haters party, lockdown must twistings your perpendiculars. Let me guess over priced and wrong colour socks for a tuesday?
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I’ve been building for over 30 years now and it’s so nice to see a professional job done. Credit to you mate and your team. Well done 🇬🇧
Thanks Jason kind words it’s good to have a good team everybody wants to learn and the customers always happy 👍🏴
PROPER BLOKE, NICE TO SEE YOU WORK HARD AND YOU CARE ABOUT WHAT YOUR DOING, WITH PASSION,IT LOOKS THE NUTS,CHEERS
Thanks deano glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏴
Nice to watch people that know what their doing classy job.
Thanks ranter I love my job it’s very creative 👍🏴
I am from Tunisia and this is exactly how we do our patios and exterior space , some peoples even use Terrazzo tiles . I have some cement tiles that I wanted to lay with Mortar the same way you did here , and everyone I asked here in Florida was like chocked lol 😂 they only lay sand here and lay pavers on top of it that’s it . No ones uses cement to lay pavers or tiles outside ... i finally tried to do the job and I am almost done , it was a first experience and not bad . But you did an amazing job in this video .
Glad to here your job went well using the same method 👍 so many Americans say it has to be on a concrete pad it drives me insane this is the method we use over here and it’s perfectly fine.
ua-cam.com/video/tdKZ4eyo5nE/v-deo.html. Enjoy your weekend from Wales 👍🏴
Fantastic job.
Glad to see someone who actually knows what he's talking about. .
Please can you send link to tiles and grout .👍👍
Thanks for watching the video glad you enjoyed the tutorial part of it here is the link. 👍🏴. www.marshalls.co.uk/gardens-and-driveways
@@tidybrickslandscaping thanks ..... never show the wife.. you know what I've got to do now ..🥺🤣🤣
Looks really good mate, another very good job, well done, thanks for posting from Garry in Barnsley
Thanks Gary glad you appreciate the other video to that was the first video I made when I actually spoke to the camera 👍🏴
Great job .... also awesome you are replying to people as well ... sharing knowledge is very commendable... thanks
I’m here to help sharing knowledge is the key to success 👍🏴
Very nice job, thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed the video Crusader 👍🏴 The man cave video I just uploaded recently is the same property
That is a beautiful patio. Wow!
Thanks for watching I’m almost ready to post the latest patio midweek 👍🍻
This is why I think I will get a professional to do mine.I don't think I would ever get it looking as nice as this.Such a great job!
Thanks Robert glad you enjoyed it 👍🏴
I really enjoyed watching this although it’s something I wouldn’t even attempt. Great explanation and results. Would use this company any day
Katywu Ste thank you katywu glad you enjoyed the video and hopefully it helped you learn the basics 👍🏴
Scott thats really awesome job mate nice one
Nice looking patio that going back in a couple of days to take some new pics 👍🏴
Beautiful work!!!
Thanks Savannah I’m actually working on that job at the moment doing some work on a man cave 👍🏴
Excellent job
Thx Jeff 👍🏴
Looks nice mate
Not to shabby 👍🏴 check out my last one
Really well done.
Cheers AR GLAD YOU ENJOYED IT 👍🏴
Nice to watch a video of this that is done properly at all stages! Top job, looks fantastic 👍
Thank you strings glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏴
Lovely job 👏
Thanks Nicholas glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏴
Lovely job 👏👏
Cheers Andrew another patio video coming up in a week 👍🏴
Absolutely amazing job. If that was my patio I would be so reassured right now that my money was spent well. I've just moved into a new build and need to get some paving done in the garden. You just set my bar high. I'm going back and forth between slate (from Wales actually) or porcelain. I like how modern the porcelain tiles look but I also love the rustic natural look of real stone. Either way it's still a lot of money as I'm looking at 80m² in total.
Tough choice contemporary and rustic why not go for both just zone it off with something. Some stone do have some great marbleised patterns that porcelain will never have I do really like that.
My rate for porcelain is £170m2 if that helps stone a bit less
Mint job. Very well done. Nice and tidy.
Michael Davis cheers mike glad you enjoyed it Tidy 👍🏴
Were you getting high at the 1:11 mark?!🤣 All jokes aside, you showed me a much better way to do grout on my current patio project! Working smarter, not harder!
The answer is possibly lol and this was one of the first times I used this type grout and technique has changed slightly 👍🏴
A brickie for 45 years . Done acres of paving too ... you're work is class , and proper . The way it should be . ☺
Thanks john yeh can’t afford to be shoody on here I’ll get ripped to bits 👍🏴
Amazing job,well done
Thanks Mary glad you enjoyed the video plenty more like that on my channel 👍🏴
Great job 👍
Thanks mate 👍🏴
Nice job mate laid these about a month ago. Easy tile too work with and look really good
I much prefer to lay porcelain than sandstone these days 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping Only coz they're lighter.
Hi mate you do a Sterling job just came across your channel the other day now subbed. Am a bricklayer haven’t done to much of the porcelain slabs done small job with them. Mostly Indian slate style slabs few others put them down pretty much same as your self. Must say your finished work is of a high standard very well explained videos. Keep up the good work. 👍🏻😎
The porcelain slabs are so much easier than Indian sandstone because they can vary in size and you end up with shit joints but the porcelain slabs are all calibrated every single one the same size which makes your life so much easier same spacers all day. 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping
Haven’t used spacers but will look into that on next job. 👍🏻🏴
Good job from a fellow cardiffian 👍
Cheers rob loverly day out there today hey 👍🏴
Good job 👍
Thank you manpreet glad you enjoyed it 👍🏴
Lovely job! 👍
Thank you El guapo glad you enjoyed it 👍🏴
Love it thanks mate
Glad you enjoyed that Pete 👍🏴
Can I ask why you don't use those spacers with the wind down tops as in other videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge 🙏
They weren’t available then or I didn’t know about em dunno 🤷 👍🏴
Lovely job lads👍🏻
Thx Vincent 👍🏴
Perfect job looks great 👍🏼
Thx josh glad you enjoyed it 👍🏴
Nice job. My guys do like to use a slightly wetter mix, but there will be no problem with the primer use. Its amazing how many so called Landscapers who dont use the slurry on porcelain slabs telling customers it will be fine! 👍
Years ago I always used a bricklaying type mix for laying slabs then I watched a couple of Marshall’s online UA-cam videos on mix texture and it was a lot drier than I would normally use so I went with that never looked back. And yes it’s all about the primer the most important part of tile installation it sticks like glue once down you’ll never get it up unless you smash it up.
Thanks for the message Michael always good to hear from fellow landscapers 👍🏴
John Bowkett been a Brickie 33 years already wow I feel old !! today’s my 50th in lockdown ffs 👍🏴
John Bowkett good man setting the standards of what’s still expected good stuff 👍
Looking good
Thanks joe too job that got plenty more of that type of thing in my channel 👍🏴
Quality job mate. Keep up the awesome work 👍
Thx Gary glad you enjoyed it 👍🏴
Top job lads
Thanks honey glad you enjoyed it 👍🏴
Class job as usual.
But why no Terram or similar stabilising fabric under the type 1?
The ground was a hard clay it was really stable 👍🏴
Nice chaps
Glad you enjoyed it 👍🏴
Another fantastic job love your videos mate when can you come to Birmingham to do mine ?
Try this link and you’ll get some of my mates local to you. Just say I sent you 👍🏴www.marshalls.co.uk/gardens-and-driveways/approved-garden-and-driveway-installers
Brillant job pal how much did charge for this job ???
I think it was about 9k ish 👍🏴
I think you'll have a lot of fun adding more additions around this beautiful base.
I’m looking forward to going back this summer to take some pics 👍😆
Hi bud. Do you like using a a semi dry mix as you are laying on a large morter bed. I do the same and find it easier to control the bed structure when having to play with falls a lot. Great video.
As for the mixture I did for that patio go for a semi dry type mix and now started using patio clips to bond them together allowing me to use a normal mix and actually it’s working well. I’ve got another video of me using them every job now. 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping thanks for your reply 👍
Hi there can one use a wooden pattern porcelain tiles as a drive/walkway / car parking space
You can as long as you have the right base installed 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping thanks will now look into it
@@stephenwilliams3834 good luck 👍🏴
Really like those tile stealth cover to hide drains and what not underneath. I wish I could like find similar for my irrigation cover. Do you know what those are called? TIA
They were called recessed manhole covers 👍🏴
Howya Tidy... Great work. Quick question please. Could you cut 20mm R11 outdoor porcelain with a Rubi TZ ? Doing a small DIY project and need to split a few tiles in half. Very hard to hire wet plunge saws round here. Thanks
Just had a look at the ruby saw and no I don’t think it would cut 20 mm porcelain that would only do 10 I would say 👍🏴
Maybe track down a local installer to your area and ask them if they could cut it for you problem solved I will do that if you asked 👍🏴
A semi dry lean mix is also a vital part of the drainage, it allows any water that passes through the grout joint to seep through to the sub base and then into the ground below instead of sitting between the slab and cement bed, which could freeze during the winter months and lift a slab.
This is very often over looked
Very informational Luke and well said you’re not a novice of this game then I take it 👍🏴
Tidybricks Landscaping we have laid a tile or two in our time.
Great work keep it up.
Check this baby out I did before that
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@@tidybrickslandscaping I don't think that type of grout let's the water through?
Mark Neilson no it doesn’t it’s a solid mortar that resists algae too unlike the
Porous grouts that I find never really set that hard as you can push a screw driver it normally after a week or two.
Awesome video and work! Keep it up! Could you please advise how to prepare the floor before laying the tiles. What materials to lay and in which order? Many thanks.
I believe I went into every detail in the video. 100mm hardcore 40mm cement
I wish we could see the cutting process, I would like to see how you cut the porcelain so perfect.
Thanks a lot
Here’s another one I did not so long ago hope this helps ua-cam.com/video/gjwvPJu53Ks/v-deo.html
I've laid a few patios in the past few years starting with cheap concrete slabs on a wet mix but easy to level but do move around alot then tried a drier mix with some heavy sawn yorkies a bit harder and slower to lay but I think personally better in the long run
Well said Martin totally agree it’s a better installation process and hope your still enjoying the day job 👍🏴
Excellent quality work, how much would something like this set you back all in? Roughly
I believe the price for that job was £8600 and I’m also back on that job today doing some extra work for his man cave 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping how much did it actually cost you
@@deanasophia2468 I think the price for that job was £7800 👍🏴
I had been told by a few people that you shouldn’t pave up to the brick work, but to leave a small gap and fill with small stone to prevent splash back on the dpc, also to allow a bit water to seep down to stop the clay beneath the foundation from drying out and thus any subsidence issues. Is this not the case?
Not quite the case no regulations state you must be 150mm finished floor lever beneath the dpc course 2 visible bricks. And it’s better to keep the foundation’s dry ass possible. 👍
@@tidybrickslandscaping thanks
This looks very good, can I ask how much did you dig out initially, is it 150mm or 200mm, how much sub base is required in total ? Is it 100mm and how much is the final height after compacting it all? Thank you
Your correct for the most.
So 150mm dugout 100 type 1 mot compacted in 2 layers of 50mm
Then 30mm sharp sand 4/1 mix
Happy days one tidy patio 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping thank you sir
*Wow😲 Flooring over the Ground, No concrete at all!!! amaizing Job!*
You don’t need concrete under patio in the uk it’s only take foot traffic not been driven on 👍🏴
He got a joint in his hands so I know this is about to be good
I didn’t on that job but I do at the moment 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping Totally understand TOTALLY 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@kicksciencesocially lol just had another on hols in Tobago 🇹🇹👍🏴
What's your process for measuring out the fall. Do you measure out level using pegs then measure down or use a laser level?
Pegs don’t trust my laser lever anymore think it needs calibrating.. 👍🏴
nice high class work on show in this video chaps so you are saying to lay 50 mm of mot hard core times two = 100 mm compacted hardcore . what size mot should it be ? what thickness should the bed off sharp sand be ? just trying to get my measurements the correct depth from my string lines which i presume should be minimun off two bricks down from dpc then the hard core and sharpsand and tile thickness all measured together will give the approx correct depth from the string line for digging out the earth thankyou so much for making these videos best regards mark
All correct but the sharp sand is a cement mix between 30/40 mm don’t forget to allow 10mm fall away from the house every 1m you go out. It’s always around 150mm dig out 👍🏴
Scalping are 30mm to dust
Type 1 mot is the name
thankyou for your reply most helpfull indeed cheers from liverpool all the best to you all in south wales
Excellent video. What joining gap/ space did you leave between tiles? Looks like 4mm or so? Really nice finish. Getting ready to lay mine!
5mm spaces tight is right I say 👍 so what type of patio are you gong for 👍🏴
Thanks for the quick reply. 5mm it is then. Looking for a very similar finish to this but with 900 x 450 slabs. Not quite decided on exactly what I'm going for yet. Love the edge tile on this patio. I was going for gravel but changed my mind now, will be doing something very similar. Thank you
Nice to see a job well done.. always hear conflicting advice with porcelain, so much so its actually put me off laying it as some say concrete base, others say type 1 is enough. Ill Look forward to my first one now
Hey john it’s all good you most likely will enjoy using when you get your first contract for it, I laid stone for years loved it but always hated stone sizes always varied in size so you ended up with tight joints wide joints drove me insane but here’s where the porcelain comes in every tile exactly the same as the last finally you can use spaces and that helps you out in the long run but y0u will need a new type saw and be advisable to get a table saw because now you’ll have to be millimetre perfect 👌
About your question on laying on type1 or concrete either way will work, I normally lay on type1 but will be moving on up and start laying on concrete with a polished surface then you could use a screeding trowel and put them down as you would tiling a indoor ceramic floor.
More prep work but a very speedy ending flat as a pancake
any questions mate feel free
Stay safe 👍🏴
Great job mate I'm a tiler from Scotland have u ever used the lashing system for the tiles gives great finish basically it's a lash with hole up the joint was a big wedge stay safe mate
Do you do a fall off with the MOT or with the Mortar?
Yes fall from the mot 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping Thanks!
Great job, how long from start to finish?
That job was about 3 weeks total and I’m going back there in a couple of weeks to do some extra work 👍🏴
Very professional job. Nice work! let me know if you ever passing Hereford ;-)
Thanks Raymond I’ve had offers all over the country in the past couple of months. Thank you for thinking of me 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping Really is great to see such pride and quality in a job. Good luck to you.
@Tidybricks Landscaping, great workmanship! Your videos / tutorials are some of the best on You Tube. Good to see you're showing all steps and not hiding any trade secrets. How do you work out your tile pattern / layout beforehand considering it's a bit of a puzzle with the different size tiles? Do you have many cuts to make on the outer edge? Cheers.
I went with the pattern layout provided but you might not notice I kind of screwed the pattern a bit at one point. Still looks the biz mostly down to having a boarder around the edge as a picture frame as I call it. That did take all bank holiday Monday to do but really with that extra effort 👍🏴
How do you haunch porcelain tiles?
Do you just use a richer mix for the end tiles ? Thankyou
No same mix just let it dry loads and cut it off with a trowel 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping cheers mate thankyou.
You've done a very nice job there BTW. Some people don't realise how much time, precision and hard work goes into doing things like this. Hat off to you mate, well done.
@@stevenmcconkey4882 thx Steven if you think that’s nice check this one out
Only time lapse but a awesome patio lites fire water 👍🏴
I know I am late on this one but where is the weed stop under all that filling.
No weed membrane needed as the tiles were laid on a full cement bed only use weed membrane is for driveways 👍🏴
Beautiful job.i have a porcelain patio at home but struggle to keep it clean its quiet porous so gets a lot of rust spots from furniture. Would you recommend sealing patio. Tanx
Hi Alan yes that’s true you can get rust marks such a shame but easily solved. There’s a company called lithofin they sell a cleaner called rust ex try that it works for me 👍🏴 hope this helps
Hi Tidybrick. Really enjoyed this and other videos you've made. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and skills. So... Please can you give an estimate number of years this patio will last before any shifting or movement takes place?
Thanks for watching as for the answer well if prepared properly then it should last a life time hard to stay stick around and I’ll post something if it moves but that might be 20/30 years plus possibly 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping lol i just might still be watching😁
This is amazing! But I’m seeing so many different ways online of laying slabs!! Can you advise? Some lay hardcore first and then a fairly dry sand/cement mix and then place the slabs straight on top .. What’s best? I’m going to be working with Indian sandstone.
That’s the way I lay patios but you could lay on concrete also. But always prime the back of the tile or slab first. Sandstone you can use SBR glue. Always lay a full cement bed never tot and dab 👍🏴
Tidybricks Landscaping - Thanks so much for getting back to me! Loved the video and will use your method. At the moment it’s just a job to get hold of sand and cement!
Great video and very informative. What is the size of the spacer between each porcelain?
Hi and I used 5mm spaces and glad you enjoyed the video 👍🏴
Great job - especially the straightness of the cuts by hand around the manhole covers. What blade is that on your grinder? Ruby?
The machine is called a flex wet saw not quite sure what porcelain blade it is but cuts really well 👍🏴
Tidy job Boyo :) Can I ask your advice on jointing against the house , do you use the same gap as the other tiles or a bigger gap where the tiles meet the house ?
I’ll always use a bigger gap against the house normally 10mm just incase the brickwork is running out of square a bit
5mm spaces for the tiles 👍🏴
Great video I’m going to be laying a patio for the first time soon can you tell how much sharpe sand and cement I will need the size of the patio is 5m x 3m many thanks
35mm cement bed you’ll need 1 tonne of sand and about 10 bags of cement that a 4/1 ratio hope that help 👍🏴
This is the calculator I use source4me.co.uk/calculate_sub_base.php?tab=0
Thanks for that
Nice job. Can you lay porcelin tiles straight on top of damp sharp sand without wet mix?
You’ll need a hardcore base first then a cement bed my friend. Otherwise it’ll just move about with sand 👍🏴
Did u use sharp sand under the tiles 4and 1 ? It’s nicely done ,
Yep you nailed it 4;1 ratio every time and thanks 👍🏴
Hi, did you lay the porcelain on sharp sand mix or washed sand? Or are the the same thing?
4/1 sharp sand mix every time 👍🏴
is this slippery when raining? what is a good product to use around a pool and deflects a lot of desert heat?
All the foresight to supply from Marshalls is anti-slip anyways as for what products around the pool I would possibly say travertine as they use that a lot in the Mediterranean countries 👍🏴
U mention blinding off with stone dust... is that equivalent of 20mm ballast? Or something finer n different. Good job.
The stone dust I get I 6mm to dust love the stuff I only used it to lift some low areas to fine tune. Slightly spray with water to moisten then whacker plate 🔨 solid
Hope that helps 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping cherrs for that👍
Hi
Just one question if you don't put that sticky products in the back of tiles you think tiles can come of thanks
The primer definitely helps stick it down but if you haven’t you might be lucky still they should still stay in place 👍🏴
Looks beautiful. Nice work. How much stone dust have you put down on top of the type 1 and did you compact it? Cheers
For that job I think I got a extra 2 ton just to fine tune levels and yes always compact just spray a bit of water over and it compacts really well 👍🏴
did you put the slurry down twice ??
No just the ones back of the tile nice and fresh 👍🏴
I don't get how the jointing compound in the joints doesn't get washed away when using the power washer. Surely the compound will be wetter in the joint than on the surface of a slab with the sun on it.. Your answer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Hi Lewis basically this material is just rapid setting grout it can be used on any material but if you do it wrong your up shit street ! Here’s my mate Dave Jessop he’ll explain it in detail.. good luck
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Great video. We want to lay our own porcelian tiles. When we had builders round to do the front they laid hardcore and compacted it. Do we then just need to lay the sharp sand directly onto this or do we need to mix the sand with cement first? Sorry if it's a stupid question. Also what did you put on top of the hardcore? You suddenly have the top layer of the base down but don't say what it is. Thanks
Hi Charlotte yes correct on the hardcore base then it’s a cement mix between 30/40mm deep here’s my tips video 👍🏴
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@@tidybrickslandscaping Thanks :) Did you put a layer of stone dust before the cement mix and compact it down?
Yes I did just to fine tune the levels. When compacted it feels like concrete very compact. 👍
What did you use to lay the porcelain tile ? Very nice job !
4 Sharp sand & 1 cement mix and thank you 👍🏴
Is it similar to medium sand , commercial grade quickrete ?
@@lizbethfernandez3562 I should of said that yes correct jagged sand particles 30/40mm I use clips now on my Patio’s they help a lot have a look at my latest project porcelain driveway 2/5 👍🏴. 3/5 tomorrow
Hi, great job as said by all. So many different ways to lay it but what is your stance on laying it on a QPC?
Morning British man not sure what QPC is 👍🏴
Tidybricks Landscaping I think he meant PQC it stands for Paving quality concrete, it’s a lean, dry concrete mix, whacked on top of the type 1 it forms part of a rigid paving system. Your fellow welshman Johnny boy from landscaping survival teaches about it.
Mate- What type of road base do you lay over? I am starting a natural stone patio next tuesday and i want to do mortar set rather than sand set on this one just double checking because i like how the stuff you use packs
I always set my tiles on a mortar bed rarely use sand for anything apart from making cement. hopefully that’s what you mean 👍🏴
@@tidybrickslandscaping right right agreed- I just mean what type of stone do you use for your base? Is it road base?
100mm type 1 mot we call it. The stone is from 1 inch down to dust in size 👍🏴
Fantastic video, mate! Hello from the other side of the world. Question - in several years of research for patio projects, this is the first time I've ever seen a method where you lay concrete out as you put out the tile. I think it's brilliant. What do you find the benefits of this method over just pouring a cement slab then putting down the file first? (It *seems* to me like this method would crack easily because it doesn't have expansion lines in the concrete base.)
Thanks for watching Christopher but I must quickly say no concrete was used on this job the base consists of hard-core 100 mm and then around 50 mm cement the tiles laid on there no need for expansion joints as the ground is flexible from the hard-core 👍🏴
Thanks for watching from the other side of the world
@@tidybrickslandscapinghe means the mix you used to lay the pavers, concrete is cement mixed with aggregate, granted the aggregate (stones) are bigger in ballast but ising sharp sand is still a concrete mix
@@danielsaccone7501 we do it differently to you guys across the pond don’t forget it only foot traffic concrete is overkill
The cement ratio is 4/1 sharp sand mix 👍🏴
Great video. I’m soon to lay a porcelain patio at home. I’m a landscaper but haven’t laid porcelain before and I’m not experienced with drainage which is the part I struggle with most especially on a large patio. My patio is 6.5m deep so not sure what to do about drainage. 6.5m seems a bit long to just slope it away from the house on to the lawn as the drop will be quite a lot over hat distance. Any recommendations? Thanks very much!
Hi Rupert I’m here to help where I can as for the drainage for this new patio the rule of thumb is for every 1 meter away from the house the height should drop down be 10mm so over your distance 6.5m it’s only 65mm depth of a brick so not to noticeable.. and if it’s your first time laying porcelain when you make cuts you’ll need a porcelain blade and you must cut wet water to stop the tiles from chipping. I lay porcelain all the time now years ago I only laid stone which is fine but I always hated stone slabs being different sizes all the time. Porcelain tiles are all exactly the same size which helps so much allows you to use 5 mm spaces too.
Keep me up to date for anything else
Scott
Tidybricks Landscaping Hi Scott, thanks for your reply. Can I just buy a porcelain blade for my angle gender or do I need to purchase an actual wet saw cutter? If I so can you recommend one that’s suitable for a one off job? I don’t really want to pay huge money for something I may only use once. Thanks again. Ru
Rupert you can get a Rubi porcelain dry blade for your grinder 4 inch about £30 from tile shop Rubi tvr pro porcelain dry blade great blade I'm a tiler and use them day in day out mate stay safe from scotland
@@rupertwaspe344 Hire a wet cut bridge cutter with porcelain blade (if you dont have a suitable one), that way the cuts are dead strait ,and its a hell of a lot easier !
My patio slopes away from house and I want to put aco drain at bottom of patio. There is no pitch on patio going across the way. So how do I pitch the aco drain across the patio as it wouldn't be flush at other end as it would be a few inches lower
Why do you want drainage at the bottom of the patio can’t you just let the water soak into the grass
Excellent work looks really pleasing to the eye... How did you level the gravel before the wacker?
The digger did most of the levelling and good old shovel work to fine tune 👍🏴
Great video and great work. After watching this I have just laid flags in my garden for the first time, although mine are a riven sandstone and seem pretty porous, I don’t think the grout you used would be a good idea for mine, I’m looking at using larsen’s. What else could you recommend? And would you suggest using a sealant too? Many thanks :-)
thelegand1 thanks for watching as for the grout I don’t use any other type especially not the polymeric type that’s useless. There are other liquid type of grout and you can use on sandstone too I have many times already but you’ve got to be quicker on your toes.
As for a sealant I wouldn’t use it on a fresh patio for at least 6\12 months after laying to let any possible salt out otherwise you can trap the salt in the slab under the sealant and it will then bubble up and look really bad I’ve made that mistake once before never to be repeated.
Also here’s my Dave to explain ua-cam.com/video/jX_hs_wjBiM/v-deo.html
Tidybricks Landscaping just been watching some of your other videos. Thanks for replying so fast :-) will follow that link now, cheers!
thelegand1 here to help 👍
Tidybricks Landscaping just clicked the link I’ve actually already seen that video when I after I looking into the grout you used. I can’t find any local retailers which even sell Marshall’s anyway but tbh I think I’d prefer a silver/grey or white grout to match my platinum coloured slabs better, as I’m aware marshalls is only available in charcoal and natural?
thelegand1 new colours coming soon apparently and as for the retailers not selling it 🤷♂️ I just ask and they send but I have been shown how to use it by them before they would let me use it so that might have something to do with it. Because if you fuck it up you’re screwed it’ll be ruined. So if you do use it make sure you got all the gear before you start mixing. I can be stressful especially in the summer
Nice job, Caerphilly mountain snack bar is up there with the best, have one every week 👌
We snack in the same place then shame there latte machines a bit shit
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Thank you for this video, I’ve had porcelain tiles laid wrongly, builders came back and removed them but never came back to lay them, I’m disabled and needed it all flush with my doors, slot drain is in front of doors, now I have a concrete patio with tile adhesive stuck to it and all my 600 x 600 porcelain tiles are a mess. The levels were all wrong and the tiles started moving because the adhesive was coming up the sides where the grout should be. My question is do we smash up the patio and start again or can the patio be saved and levelled, also the tiles have adhesive and grout stuck to them how do I get them clean? My patio is about the same size as this one, I can’t afford to get a professional in now but I’m hoping you will be able to give me some advice. Thank you
Sounds like 2 options rip it up all of it as the levels are wrong anyways so it’ll all have to go or possibly you kind of make do with what’s there and get it cement finished and live with it, whatever the route you’ll be taking it is very unfortunate situation you’re in.
Here is a way of finding top landscapers www.marshalls.co.uk/gardens-and-driveways/approved-garden-and-driveway-installers
Tidybricks Landscaping thank you for replying, I guess I’m stuck with a mess and a pile of tiles until I win the lottery.
I knew there was a cheep way to put porcelain tile outdoor! Thanks!
Some people seem to think it always has to be on concrete well that’s not true 👍🏴
Really nice job but as previous comments cant get my head round such a dry mix but every ones preference is different
Semi dry or wet it all dries the same but it’s more difficult if you use a wetter mix they can move more and excess cement rises to the top through the joints and makes the face of the tile dirty. As long as you use a good primer it’ll set the same.
Actually just uploaded a new video today using the primer. 👍🏴
I have always been a fan of blinding down type 1 bases especially for gravel drive and recently for a patio. Thinking about your bedding mix would you consider using a Pan style mixer? Something like the Baron Mixers the screed guys use? Impressive video by the way.
Just googled those mixers they look the biz 👍 I could get a conveyor too same place shit I need a bigger van
I love type one you can almost sculpt with it
I remember one of my first patios where I used it but didn’t know you had to wet it !!! I was a very dusty garden in the end lucky for me it was all well contained within the garden walls
Just remembered it was paving phew 😅
Tidy job on the installation!! Glad to have professionals like you still around :) Do you know if I can use a 10mm outdoor rated tile wet set into concrete? I talked to the manufacturer in their warehouse and they say that the tile and the pacer are the exact same thing except the paver is thicker...Is there something I should know before trying to install some 10mm outdoor floor rated tiles outside? Thanks in advance, keep up the great work!!!
Well if it’s a outdoor tile then I suppose it’s fine. You don’t always have to tile on concrete a flexible bed 100 type1 mot hardcore base like I do is totally fine 👍🏴
I've had medium grey porcelain tiles laid and they get dirty really easily. They are matt finish (not glazed). Should I be sealing these?
You don’t need to seal porcelain tiles maybe just buy a good squeegee brush 👍🏴
Nice job👍what cutter do you use thats water proof?
My table saw is called rubi and my smaller wet saw is called flex cs60 that’s the one I used on this job
Tidybricks Landscaping top cuts them mate, my ts410 wouldnt of been no where near! 😂
Tidybricks Landscaping best start saving for one of them! Just looked on ebay😂
craig styrin I’m actually thinking of buying the battery version of that but bit unsure still ?
Tidybricks Landscaping everything is going battery, only thing is that there basically a cordless 9” grinder arent they with the blade size.
Think of the petrol you wouldnt have to mess around with!👍