I’m a retired PO (25 years on the street), I own 4 Glocks, 3 S&W’s, a P365, and several Ruger’s . . . I’m not saying the GX4 is a better gun than the others, but for self defense it will do the job just as the others will, but for the price you just can’t beat this gun, it works and I trust it
Many reports have been very positive on the GX4, though there have also been a number of problems with individual guns. My G3c is a gun I would (and do) trust. This particular GX4, however.....
I brought 2 gx4 for the same price of a sig365...taurus done a good job and this gx4 are very very good , only difference is not Swiss /German pedigree...
The gx4 is having major problems that Taurus is refusing to fix. The g3 is working but NOT the gx4, and you should stay far away as will be lawsuits. There are major problems with the g4 trigger and slide reset. Which will cause a dead trigger and accident discharge if slide is slapped back into battery. There's videos of a guy almost shooting his toe off after the dead trigger and slide doesn't reset and when slapped the gun fires. And Taurus is refusing this is happening. Yet many videos prove it is. Sig p365 admitted were problems and fixed them on 1st gen. Taurus is not.
One more thing, I was involved in 4 shooting in my 25 years as a PO, every one of those was 15 yards or closer, these small defense guns “are not 50 yard shooters”, they are meant for a defensive weapon to save your life when that moment comes and the danger is in front of you . . . . By the way if you shoot someone 40 to 50 yards away (half a football field) your most likely going to end up in jail, shooting someone 50 yards away is not self defense
Dave, thanks again for commenting. And thank you for your service. I had a rewarding 38-year law enforcement career and I can agree fully with your comments. Having said (written) that, my experience and my personal belief are that it doesn't take much to make an accurate gun. The idea of "minute of torso" accuracy at 15 feet will work most of the time on the static range. But personally, if a gun can't reliably hit an IPSC "C" Zone at 50 yards under controlled conditions, it isn't accurate enough for me to rely on under stress. It would be the rare case for a non-LE defender to have to defend his or her life at distances greater than 25 yards, or even 15 yards, but the possibility does exist. And with today's manufacturing capability, there is no excuse for a pistol that can't hold "C" Zone accuracy at 50 yards. If it can't, I have to wonder about the whole manufacturing process and what else may show up 10,000 or so rounds later. (I know, I know - most owners of sub-$500 guns will never fire 1,000 rounds, let alone 10,000 rounds, which also means they aren't well trained and don't practice.) Sorry, but my personal standards may be higher than many folks.
@@RidersRange most people who buy budget guns do so for the fact they want a firearm to defend their life and or family's lives. If they spend $350 for a firearm, chances are finances play a role in their selection. To compare your 38 years of training and the ability to shoot 10,000 rounds to a single person, maybe working two jobs to make ends meet, shooting 1,000 rounds as 'under trained' is disengenerous at best. Maybe, next time encourage those people who shoot far less than you, to try and increase their abililities with the minimal resources they have.
Dave Mac I hope you are not implying that if someone is shooting at me 40 or 50 yards away I can't return fire to defend myself because its more than 10 yards. Distance does not matter when you are being shot at.
Sportsman’s Warehouse has the GX4 for $330.00 a really good buy, I’ve had my GX4 for 2 months now, and have been to my local range 3 times with it, I’ve put 450 rounds through it using several different brands of ammo . . Zero problems with it, it’s a really good pistol & I would definitely trust my life with it 👍
Dave, thanks for watching and commenting. I've had good experiences with many Taurus products, but it seems that their QC is somewhat lacking and less than perfect examples occasionally slip through.
I enjoy your reviews. I have the GX4 and really like the way it shoots for me. I installed Night Sights on mine after I was satisfied enough to make it One of my Carry Guns and when I removed the rear sight it only took a couple of taps with a Brass Punch and Hammer to knock it out, so I can see how it can " Auto Adjust " The Night Sights were a much tighter fit. Thank You and Keep up the good work !
Some folks have stated issue with the Safety Trigger, when depressed and not resetting, as though the internal spring (mechanism) were disengaged or perhaps missing. I purchased my new Taurus GX4 a month ago, and the Safety Trigger works as it should (Spring loaded). I wonder if the first batch of units sold with this issue. I purchased an extension for the 11-Rd mag and now my pinky is no longer w/out a home. Also replaced the stock front white-dot sight with the Ameriglo Front Night Sight. In addition to the above, I purchased a custom fitted IWB Carbon w/Leather backing Holster. What I've noticed is that the GX4 stock serrated rear sight has sharp end-corners on its backside (shooter's face side), hence when holstered in the IWB and located in appendix area, the rear sight sharp corner digs into my side when seated, annoying, but then if the leather backing/sheath were a little higher (hence between the rear sight and my flesh), then maybe all would be good. Might upgrade the rear stock sight. Shoots on point, and very confident with its size and performance. Anyway, very happy with my GX4
Sterling Mack, thanks for watching and commenting. As I've responded to many other Taurus comments, I believe the Taurus QC isn't the best, so the T&E sample I had may be an outlier. I have seen other good reviews on the GX4, so I'm sure there are some good ones out there. And I have had good experience with other Taurus products, just not with this particular sample.
Went to the range with my gx4 after I cleaned it and started getting FTE issues after about 75 rounds. Gunsmith noticed some issues with the extractor mechanism. Unfortunate with the reliability issues including my off center sight, is unacceptable. Back to my chunky Canick for now.
@@sterlingmack5394 My plan is to send back to the OEM for warranty repair/replacement. I really want to like the gun, since I just received my holster for it too
First off I am not a Taurus hater. I have a Tx22 that I actually like better than my PPQ 22. I am not a fanboy of any specific brand of handguns but I do love my P365 and PPQ 9mm. I love these two because they both fit ME and are reliable and accurate for me. I recently (Dec.9th 2022) picked up the GX4 and put 150 rounds of blazer brass 115 grain full metal jacket through it. Best description of my experience is I loved the feel of it and the trigger. First three shots were high and left. So excited to shoot it didn’t bother to look at the rear sights other than to shoot. Unfortunately my experience went down hill quick when it started exhibiting the dead trigger syndrome. Thankfully I registered my gx4 almost immediately and will be sending it in to Taurus noting the issues it is having. I didn’t purchase it based on price. I purchased it because I liked the looks and feel in my hand. I hope Taurus steps up because I really want to love this gun. I have to say after 40 plus years this is the first time a gun has failed me right out of the gate. Wish me luck.
I've had my gx4 for a few months, have about 500 rounds through it with no problems. Can't comment about the sights cuz I put night sights on it right away and those have not moved, and the gun has worked flawlessly. For the price I'm very happy with it.
I'm beginning to think that it's not that the sight dovetails are too large, but that the Taurus sights are just a tad too small. Otherwise, the GX4 is a decent gun for the price.
So , if the GX4 had cost $550. would it be crappy ? Please everyone stop with the " for the money " , either it's good or not . If you broke a leg and it healed with a slight crook you wouldn't proclaim it good because the doctor only charged you $ 200. .
@@guynoir4733 Then it would have just been over priced compared to what you get vs other guns and I would have gotten the sig p365. My experience the gx4 is a great pistol, but comes with the basics, no night sight or optic cut slide. So for the money you get a no thrills good pistol.
@@guynoir4733 many folks take the cost into consideration, whether or not they can afford a particular price. There are good $1,000 guns and not-so-good $1,000 guns. There are also decent $300 guns and not-so-good $300 guns. So, good for the money is actually a consideration for many people.
Luckily, I never even heard of the GX4 until about a year after it came out. So I hoped when I bought mine that Taurus had fixed the early issues that some reviewers pointed out. And so far it has been a winner for me. Absolutely no issues with the sights or trigger and so far it functions perfectly. I'm very happy with it. I don't have a trigger pull gauge, but the trigger feels like it breaks at between 5 and 6 lbs. And with no external safety, I'm happy with that.
Wow - A Sig pistol that is more accurate than a Taurus pistol. Who saw that coming? EVERYONE! Thanks for sharing the follow up review. Goes to show you if you spend a little bit more you get a heck of a lot more.
From my experience with other Taurus products, I had high hopes for the GX4. Unfortunately, this sample didn't deliver. I'll stick with my 365, or my Kimber Micro pistols for pocket carry.
@@sterlingmack5394 Thanks for sharing. It’s always good to hear about different perspectives. That’s what makes this channel so great is the commentary by the viewers. I’m interested in getting a micro nine, but honestly don’t like the high prices that they are charging considering my compacts are already working for me. How was the transition for you?
I put a Dawson Precision fiber optic sight on mine and it shoots dead on at 20 yards. This gun will fire any load, bullet profile, long or short OAL it eats it up. I have 1K rounds through this gun no problem whatsoever. I bought mine with the earth tone slide for $320. The trigger is 6 lbs but very crisp with little pre travel. It’s not bad. It’s a better gun than the Glock 43 that I had by far.
Very good review. I own the G3c and the GX4. The G3c has been flawless. Still going great after @ 1500 rounds. As for the GX4, it too was great but after 800 rounds, started to have slide issue where it did not engage fully. Had to send it back to Taurus two days ago for repair.
Had a Glock 23 in .40,SW. Had slide issues with it after 100 rounds. It is hit or miss tolerance. My rock Island 1911A1 Tactical shoots everything put in the mag. Just too big and heavy for an old guy. GX4 feels good ,shoots well, conceals very well. Hickock45 likes it, so good enough for me.
I have the G2C and it's been such a reliable great shooter that i don't see getting any other Taurus, over 1000 rounds and no issues. It shoots accurate, very manageable recoil as well. I did change out the sights to Ameriglo night sights
I get it. You love Sig, but you leave out that the P365 had one of, if not the most disastrous launches In modern gun history. I understand Taurus did a shitty job on their sights, but you leave out striker breakage and catastrophic failures in which every P365 in the first 2 batches had to go back to Sig. The consumer should not be the beta tester for pistols. It's a good video and I enjoy your channel, you should however be thorough and state the problems the Sig has as well. And downplaying the trigger safety on carry guns didn't play well either. Just my 2 cents. Please keep up the good work.
Mark, thank you very much for watching and commenting. I agree that the Sig launch of the 365 didn't go well, though it was nowhere near as bad as the Remington launch of the R51. (Too many gun makers seem to be rushing new designs to market these days.) My point was to compare what is currently available. I also offered that my complaints were limited to the sample GX4 that I had and are not necessarily indicative of all of those GX4 pistols, or even all Taurus pistols in general, and that I have had good experiences with many other Taurus models. As to the trigger "safety", too many folks seem to be lulled into a false sense of security and think of it as an actual mechanical safety, rather than just what it is: a drop safety and a device to keep the trigger from being pulled when something hits the side of the trigger. (Here is a quote from Glock's website: "The trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if it’s dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isn’t a direct firing pull.") Any object that puts pressure against the front of the trigger defeats that "safety", unlike the mechanical safeties on other guns, such as the 1911 design, Taurus G3c, optional on some Sig P365 models, and many, many other guns. Most folks don't stop to think that most modern striker-fired guns (Kahr and a couple others being the exception) are anywhere from 85% to 100% cocked without any user-operable mechanical safety. Anything that moves the trigger to the rear can make the gun go off. Almost like carrying a cocked revolver, which I bet most folks wouldn't do, even if the revolver had a "trigger safety" on it. I carried a Glock of one model or another on duty for 24 years, without incident, and wouldn't hesitate to carry one today if I didn't have better options. But I'll still stand by my position that any "trigger safety" doesn't provide the same level of protection as does a true mechanical safety that is independent of the trigger. That's why I am a real fan of the 1911 platform with a thumb safety AND a grip safety. (Well, that and other reasons.) Sorry for the long answer, but you know from my videos that I have a tendency to go into detail.
@@RidersRange I agree with absolutely everything you just said. I actually carry a Hellccat, and I carried a Glock or a Beretta for years. I'm not really defending the Taurus as much as I wanted you to go through the fact that Sig P365 despite costing twice had a much worse launch. If you're comparing the 2 I believe you should've gone through both guns problems.
@@KFGHQ that's a good point. I didn't even think of getting into the early 365 issues, but it would have made a better comparison. Thanks for the suggestion.
Yeah I have the gx4 and have over 1000 rounds. No problems. Just like most new guns there's going to be a few that is going to have some problems. Don't worry guys they will fix all the problems that a small few is having with these.
Others have commented that putting new Glock-compatible sights on this gun may cure the self-adjusting sight issue without having to send it back to Taurus. Thanks for watching.
I love my GX4 ! Short trigger pull and reset ! The 3C trigger didn't engage until it hit the rear of the guard ! Way too much dead trigger pull for me ! I have 1000 rounds through mine and it shoots great ! GX4 for me any day ! I gave my son my P365 !
If you want to add 2 more rounds of capacity to the P365 (so it's either 12+1 or 14+1 [with the pinky extender]), but only add a barely noticeable 1/8", try the Magguts +2 extender kit. It uses a flat spring system, which is how 2 more rounds fit. And I pocket carry the 14+1 P365 quite comfortably. With the OEM 15 round mag in my back pocket.
I'm sorry you believe that I was trying "every way to bash" Taurus. I just call it like I see it. I carry the G3c on occasion and my reviews were favorable to several other Taurus guns. Unfortunately, the GX4 that I tested had issues. That doesn't mean ALL GX4 samples will have issues, but I couldn't rely on the one that I reviewed.
Quit being cheap , y’all swear Taurus makes the best guns … Glock 43x is one of the best conceal carry , I would consider the G3c over this wanna be sig p365
Yeah you want junk try a Remington R 51 re-engineered, Total crud what a disgrace to the original. Along with the faulty safety on the model 710. Gave up hope on Remington. Shameful.
NOTE: My GX4 is not part of the recall. I bought my GX4 for my NEW EDC in June 2021 and have had 0, No, issues to this date and have run over 2900 rounds. Wasn't looking for a firearm that was Optics ready or had a 'rail'. I wanted a small 9mm that would be the best for self defense, concealment, yet have quality and be dependable. I wasn't going to be in any shooting competition with the GX4 as I have other firearms for that. Purchased the GX4 at my local Scheels and got the last one in stock at that time - 329.00. Received the pinky extensions (2) for the two 11 rd mags that were included and that completed the grip for me....good to go with my pinky on board. Of course my 13 rd mag comes with the extension. That's all I needed to do to get the GX4 the way I wanted it on my hip...or wherever I carry it. Recently upgraded to the Tru-Glow sights which is a great add-on over the factory sights. Also have now a Viridian Red Laser which was an easy mount not having a rail. Added this weekend the Hogue HandALL Beavertail Grip Sleeve specifically for the GX4 and GX4XL. Do some have issues, sure they do. Did some Shield Plus have issues? Did the Sig P365 have any issues? Did the Glock 42 or 43 have issues? It’s a big yes to all.
I bought the GX4 last week with the express plan in my mind of changing the sights out for Ameriglow or XS dot sights for my older eyes. I also have a 13 round mag from, Academy Sport to use a my back mag while using the short mag for conceal purposes. My first time at the rang with the gun was less than spectacular, but that may have been more to the lack of shooting because the ammo issues we are having now. I did change it over to Ameriglow sights and will try it out tomorrow, I also order concealment holster on order with a claw attachment which I should get Saturday or Monday. In short, I spending money to make it a system as it was designed by use.
Donald, thank you for watching and adding your experience with the GX4. Even with the price of the sights, you still have a decent gun at an affordable price. I've found very few sub-$700 guns that I didn't have to change at least the sights, but more often, both the sights and the trigger.
Put a similar Hogue grip on the GX4, and you'd likely shoot it just as good as your 365. However, because you do shoot the 365 with the Hogue grip... some what handicaps the GX4 too, giving the edge to the 365. Thanks for the topic, and comparisons.
Every manufacturer has a bad run on occasion. The early 365 was certainly no exception. You may have had a bad experience with the P365 and a good experience with the GX4. However, that's not always the case. Thanks for watching.
GX4 trigger has a very distinct wall and a short reset. I put 100 rounds thru it immediately at pickup and it had no problems with 115 gr American Eagle. I'm going to carry it via iwb holster. I alternate it with a Springfield Mod 2 running a techna clip, and both disappear under my shirt so I can't complain. More rounds been thru the Mod 2, so it's still my primary.
I’ve been carrying my P365 in a Mitch Rosen/Sig OWB holster, and have complete confidence in it after 2 years. Yvonne and I won 3 P365’s, but that’s not unusual for us. Thanks for Sharing! 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
You can have a problem with any gun... I had a glock 19 gen 5 last year after only 200 rounds at the range the slide broke and would stay rigged i shipped it back and got it fixed but apparently it's a common problem with glocks according to the guy from customer service and the people i talked to at cooper customs. I shot over 2k rounds out of my g3c andd gx4 with out any malfunctions yet and i heard nothing but positive things about taurus lately!
I enjoyed your review. What I found is this the Sig 365 will only take brass where as the Taurus gx4 will shoot anything. I enjoy shooting both the guns though.
I have a GX4 .. 300+ rounds .. runs fine G2C 1.5 K through it … runs like my 19 Its like a 26+ But … I hadn’t shot out to 50 yards … 20 only .. and it was OK … I really need to shoot it more …I hate the grip on the P365..
If that were my GX4, not a T&E gun, I probably would try a new set of Glock sights to see if that would cure the issue. If not, the gun would go back to Taurus. And it does have a lot going for it.
Except that wouldn't be honest. If you have watched my channel for long, you would know that I have done several very favorable Taurus reviews and that I carry a G3c on occasion. I just call 'em like I see 'em. Apology accepted. And thanks for watching.
Nothing wrong with being truthful. I have a 365xl, 365, and a gx4. Gx4 sight drifted and front sight came extremely loose on first range day. Had 3 failures to feed on the first 100 rounds.
Bruce, thanks for watching and commenting. The Taurus QC seems to be spotty, at best. Many of their guns run just fine, but they also seem to have their share of problem guns.
Great video! My initial problem with the gun was also that it didn’t shoot well. I’ve got an update video coming soon that you may like. But I, like you will be sticking with my Sig.
Your headline is misleading. The gun failed to load one super heavy round and you act like its unreliable. Many guns like different ammo. Also, you shoot your Sig better than the Taurus. That doesn’t mean the Taurus isn’t accurate. Take a look at Honest Outlaw shooting the Taurus at 50 yards. It’s as accurate as your Sig 👌🏻
Walter, thanks for your input. Quality control - or lack of same - plays a part in any gun, more so in the less expensive guns. Accuracy and reliability are impacted by poor QC, so some samples of a gun may work better than others. This particular GX4 wasn't the best sample of a Taurus product. Thanks for watching.
@@megasmoothone that's the rumor that has been repeated on the Internet, and there were issues with many P365s initially, but I can't find any actual evidence that "every single 365 that first came out was recalled". If you can provide a link to actual verifiable evidence of that claim, I'd be interested.
@Skips Guns What are all these issues that you speak of? Drifting rear sight? WTF are even talking about? The GX4 is a great gun with zero major issues. I guess you missed were the first to batches of Sig 365’s were recalled because they were LEMONS with actual firing issues 🙄
Always giving Sigs and Glocks a pass, But Taurus?No, cant do that!!! , even with stiker breakage , or cracked frames , Give Sigs a pass , Burn Taurus at the Stake , And I own Both , , ,
Agreed. This guy is a Sig fan boy and its obvious. Sig 365 had so many issues when it came out. Even after the firing issues were fixed the gun and mags are still rust buckets
I found a Shield pmus with night sights, TS and opticscready for 349$. Thevgun is in my EDC rotation. Mounted a Cyelee red dot on it. Shooting took a little getting used to but now I'm secure at 25 yds A zone. I like the gun as it is easy to conceal and performs well .
What's the good reason for not wanting to put your index finger of your opposite hand on the front of the trigger guard? You mentioned that it was an 80's style of shooting. Which makes sense for me since the early 80's is when I learned to shoot.
William, the "theory" behind the finger on the front of the trigger guard was to help control recoil. If done correctly on a properly shaped trigger guard, it may have some benefits (look at Jerry and Lena Miculek). However (there is always a "however"), it can actually be detrimental to accuracy and follow-up shots for many (most?) people. There have been several good videos on grip from the Warrior Poet Society, Patrick E. Kelly, Wilson Combat with Masaad Ayoob, Bob Vogel, TheHubleMarksman, and others, and rarely do many of the top shooters recommend the index finger of the support hand on the front of the trigger guard. Of those who do use that method, there are some very important considerations. So, it is not recommended for most shooters. Thanks for watching.
I think the Taurus QC isn't the best. I have some very decent, reliable Taurus guns, but this GX4 isn't one of them. I'd rather spend a little more to get a lot more (SIg), but not everyone is in that position.
Some folks have stated issue with the Safety Trigger, when depressed and not resetting, as though the internal spring (mechanism) were disengaged or perhaps missing. I purchased my new Taurus GX4 a month ago, and the Safety Trigger works as it should (Spring loaded). I wonder if the first batch of units sold with this issue. I purchased an extension for the 11-Rd mag and now my pinky is no longer w/out a home. Also replaced the stock front white-dot sight with the Ameriglo Front Night Sight. In addition to the above, I purchased a custom fitted IWB Carbon w/Leather backing Holster. What I've noticed is that the GX4 stock serrated rear sight has sharp end-corners on its backside (shooter's face side), hence when holstered in the IWB and located in appendix area, the rear sight sharp corner digs into my side when seated, annoying, but then if the leather backing/sheath were a little higher (hence between the rear sight and my flesh), then maybe all would be good. Might upgrade the rear stock sight. Shoots on point, and very confident with its size and performance. Anyway, very happy with my GX4
I just bought a new GX4 and immediately had trigger reset issues. Basically a dead trigger every 20 rounds or so. I shipped it back to Taurus. The customer service rep said that was "common on the GX4" !! Otherwise it shot very well..
Same! I went to the range today and it would jam every 2-3 shots it was terrible!!!I didn’t get to empty one full clip. Do you know what the problem could be?
@@bv2542 make sure it's cleaned and lubed, then check your ammo. If you are shooting round-nose target ammo and it still jams, try a different magazine. If it jams with all mags, either polish the feed ramp and breech face, or send it back to Taurus.
@@bv2542 Here is the scoop with the GX4. I sent mine back to Taurus. Got it back in less than 3 weeks. According to the warranty repair sheet. "Replaced trigger assembly and rear support".. The customer service rep said this was a problem with some of the GX4 pistols that left the factory, so they get right on it. Since I got mine back I have put about 200 rounds of different FMJ and 40 rounds of HST through it. ZERO malfunctions. Shoots great! And to point of aim. I ordered the Ameriglo front sight blade and put it on in minutes. Fantastic pocket 9. On today's polymer NON 1911 pistols, the whole polishing the feed ramp and certain types of ammo being the problem is hardly ever the issue. Bad magazines can surely be an issue. This last decade, I purposely take a new semi auto right out of the box and shoot it. That will tell you everything right there. Hope this helps.
I'm not saying the SIG P365 is cheap 499 is more than the GX4 is the extra spent on the SIG you'll get it back if you ever sell it my Taurus G2c costed 199 but when l put it for sale only got 85 dollars for it your not getting a used SIG P365 in good shape for under 430 used l have the SIG P365 and I'm more than happy with it for just under 550 dollars of the door
I bought my GX4 for my NEW EDC. Wasn't looking for a firearm that was Red Dot Optics ready or had a 'rail'. I wanted a small 9mm that would be the best for self defense, concealment, yet have quality and be dependable. I wasn't going to be in any shooting competition with the GX4 as I have other firearms for that. Purchased the GX4 at my local Scheels and got the last one in stock at that time. 329.00 Put the Amerigo Glow Dot front sight on and a big+ over the white factory front sight. 29.95 Received the pinky extentions (2) for the two 11 rd mags that were included and that completed the grip for me....good to go with my pinky on board. 9.98 Of course my 13 rd mag has the extension. Got my Taurus GX4 IWB Holster from CYA Supply Co. Liked it so much got another for my Sig P238. That's all I needed to do to get the GX4 the way I wanted it on my hip.
You never showed the other guns at 50 yards except for the p365. BTW, when you carry who are you shooting at from 50 yards? I hope you have a good lawyer. Close combat is 5 to 7 yards so let's be realistic.
As I've replied many, many times in the past, if you only practice at the statistically "average" defensive distances, you will never know how you and your gun will perform at greater distances, should the need arise. (Think Greenwood Mall in Indiana last summer. I've read reports that the civilian who stopped the mass shooting got 8 out of 10 hits at distances up to 41 yards.) But if you regularly practice with your carry gun at greater distances - 25 yards or more - you will have much greater competence and confidence at those statistically "average" distances. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Hey what are the barrel markings on the left hand side of your barrel? Mine say 21012x I’ve seen another that said 21033x and one that read 21040x do you know what this means?
Fondled one in my LGS yesterday. I like it don’t get me wrong but I also have a Shield Plus and a P365XL and just don’t see a need for it but maybe down the road.
I like your videos but noticed your like some other guys I get that you judge your choice cause of the price, some guys not you if they has problems and it’s a sig or Glock it must be the ammo if it’s a Taurus is quality control at Taurus
Abel, thanks for watching and commenting, but price is not a relevant issue for me. If you watch some of the videos in my Great Affordable 1911 Series, there were several times when I put a bargain-basement gun up against a very pricey gun, and often the "cheap" gun equalled the expensive gun in performance and/or features. Also, the bargain-basement Taurus G3c is my "around the ranch" carry gun.
Nice review. You'd think, a T&E gun would SURELY pass through qc, and be nothing but the best quality! Anyway, I have a pt112 g2 Millennium, and a tx22. Both are exceptional! This looks like a nice blend of both. But, to me, there's just not enough difference to make me want it. Plus, I've got big hands, and the g2 is as small as I care to go in 9mm. Besides, I like the restrike capability, short tactile reset, thumb safety, adjustable sights, and 12 round mags!
$330 vs $550?... Well Regardless of those little “miner issues” I would pick the Gx4 instead ...I have shot with both (p365&gx4) and I find the gx4 more comfortable, accurate also it was more enjoyable to shoot with
Mine struggles to go into battery when wracking by hand. Shooting seems to reduce the frequency. Smack the mag and it will close the chamber. Mine seems to shoot well under when my others shoot. Like it but I don’t like the loading issue
My SIG P365 for a micro compact with a 3 inch barrel l would consider it more effective or accurate at 15 yards or under more so than most guns this size and that's what a gun this size is intended for its not a target gun it's a up close and personal type firearm at 5 7 10 yards it shoots very nice groups even for first time shooters no it's intended for military combat it's a self defense firearm and like the review the trigger on the P365 is pretty good not great but l love where it breaks way before the back of the trigger guard compared to other guns
Hickok45 is a very good shooter - and a great story teller - but hitting a 2 foot diameter plate at 80 yards isn't all that difficult with most handguns.
I like sig but not a die hard fan the p365 failed me 3 times Junk !! No gun should have striker drag or trigger failures. I like Taurus gx4 current carry for me is Glock 26
Colt 45, I understand that the early P365 pistols had issues, but both my P365 and P365XL have worked flawlessly. Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts.
It's for "up close" -- until it isn't. If you know how you can perform with a particular gun at greater than "normal" distances, you KNOW you can perform with it up close. But if you only practice and train at the "statistical average" distances, you will never know how you will perform when a long shot is required.
Practice is always good, just saying most 9mm shoot flat and it is up to the shooter to to master each weapon. For the money you are well armed with a good broken in GX4.
Gotta say, my GX4 is accurate at 15 yards. I can keep a group the size of the palm of my hand at that distance. The key is to practice “aiming small, missing small”. Both guns are good for what they are - micro subcompact pistols. I have well over 1000 rounds through mine, and it’s broken in nicely. Trigger pull is decent, i.e., about the same as the p365. Felt recoil is also about the same, but the grip contour of the GX4 makes it easier to shoot without feeling like it’s getting away from you. I got a great deal after Black Friday, $211 out the door after Taurus $50 rebate and military discount. Only upgrades were fiber optic sights and +2 extensions for magazines that came with it.
This guy is a Sig fan boy. He can’t shoot the Taurus properly. Not the gun’s fault. The guy struggled putting it through fast paces, sad. Sig 365 has rusty mags. Rust on the rest of the gun also after time. Striker drag and many other documented issues when it came out. Literally all of them had to be recalled and easily la led as LEMONS👌🏻
Yeah the G43X and G48 just plain work... And apparently they just plain sell also because I’ve been looking for another one for months! The only criticism I have would be like all Glocks they point a little high for 1911 fans.
Not trying to be critical here, but if y’all want to trust your life to a Taurus, I reckon have at it. Yeah I know “your’s works just fine”. But I wonder how many of these pistols could withstand a moderate to advanced pistol class. I know you can most certainly defend your life with this pistol, And I appreciate Taurus making firearms such as these available to the general public. But.
@@formerpilgrim4934 I agree. Taurus & brands like that do have some nice pistols, but I just don't have the same faith in them that I do in Glock, FN, CZ or brands that have a worldwide decades old track record of reliability.
@@formerpilgrim4934 all good points. Though I'm betting that very few Taurus pistols will ever be seen in anything resembling an advanced pistol class. A lifetime round count of 500 or more will likely be the exception, not the rule.
I got the Taurus gx4xl it seems pretty great to me I hear so much about the sig p365 I think the Taurus gx4xl might have it Sig Sauer just a big name like apple Nike and Glock
@@RidersRange I traded it for the Sig. I had a set of sights put on it by my local shop. I believe it was just a flawed gun. It happens, no manufacturer is perfect. I wouldn't be afraid to buy another Taurus of some sort.
@@megasmoothone I'm well aware, I have no issue's with Taurus, the one I had just didn't shoot accurately. I've seen plenty of review's from those that love the gx4. If I'm a fanboy of any handgun brand, it would be Walther. I was looking for a PPQ SC when I bought the taurus. It's almost impossible to find. So I thought I'd try something else.
I've disregarded the p365 because it doesn't fit my hand. I would require that handall junior grip. I'd be afraid that it would trap sweat inside that grip and perhaps stick more to clothing. Reasonable concern or not?
Brian, I agree that the P365 grip is just too small, even for my medium-size hands. I have the HandAll grip on my 365, 365XL and S&W Shield and I've never had any problems getting any moisture trapped between the grip sleeve and the pistol grip. They fit too tight to allow moisture in. As far as sticking to clothing, the rubber texture will do that more than the plain plastic grip will. However, I've carried all of the above mentioned pistols IWB and I've never noticed any issues. Thanks for watching.
How's your grip? Do you suppose any part of your hand is contacting the slide as it cycles? Or are you riding the slide when you rack? I do notice the slide action is quite short as it is a micro, and so my hand is a lot closer than usual.
@@murphyjones85 Hmmm, good to know. I have not shot hollow points in my GX4 yet but I was hoping to use IMI 124gr type. Hopefully the feed ramp gets broken in with continued use. I myself have wondered about the effects of the shorter barrel of a micro gun and what the tradeoff is for penetration or lethality. It might be that an FMJ isn't too bad at all, as long as it feeds, since you're going to lose velocity from the micro. I consider self defense range as being about shot placement anyhow. As long as she feeds.
Mines been flawless so far in the couple hundred rounds it's been fired as well as my full size g3,g3c and tx22 but it is a little concerning hearing about these gx4 issues.
I did my initial review of the 365XL in July, 2020, with the 1,000 round review follow-up on August, 2020. It was my primary carry gun for a while and I still do carry it on occasion. Both videos are still up on my channel.
I somewhat liked your video up till the part where you made the comment of shooting your personal defense handgun at 50 yds. Come on man, 50 yds. Then you state how great the Sig 365 did at that distance. You sound like just another Taurus hater and one that has sold its soul to Sig Sauer.
@Gary Brown, first, I want to thank you for watching. Then I need to clarify a couple issues. I shoot almost every gun at distances out to 50 yards because I want to know the practical limits of each gun in my hands, and some work better than others at that distance. If I only shoot defensive guns at the "statistical" defensive distances of 3, 5, or 7 yards, that's all I know I can do with that gun. I don't plan to have to engage a criminal at Greenwood Mall distances, but I need to know whether or not a gun in my hands CAN do that. So, if I know how I can perform with a gun at 50 yards, I KNOW how I can perform with that gun at a closer distance. As to Sig and Taurus, I haven't sold my soul to any manufacturer, let alone to Sig. (I own far more Glocks and Kimbers than Sigs and I own several Taurus pistols.) And I often carry my Taurus G3c, so I can't hate it, nor can I doubt its reliability. That particular GX4 didn't work well for me, but it's a sample of one. That certainly doesn't mean all Taurus pistols are bad. It doesn't even mean that all GX4 pistols are bad for everyone. So, here's a challenge to you - and everyone who owns a handgun: Develop your skill so that you can accurately shoot at distances far greater than the "statistical" defensive distances and do most of your practice at very small targets at least 15 yards away (the farther the better) and you will find you have more confidence in your firearm and in your personal skill level. Again, thank you for watching and adding your perspective.
Mark, if you have watched my other videos, you would know that I can make good guns work well all the way out to 50 yards. (The Kimber Micro 9 and Sig P365 are a couple examples.) I'm not the only one who shot this particular gun, and I'm not the only one who had issues with it.
I shoot trap and have shot a older BT-99 for a while and wanted to get a over and under, would you mind telling me the price tag of your citori 725 pro trap
I bought my Citori 725 HIgh Rib Trap used with a Keith Heeg custom stock, but none of the original Browning accessories. I was very fortunate to get it for less than $2,000.
I thought this gun was great for the first 200 rounds, then my recoil spring fell apart. I call Taurus and they wanted to send a new screw for the recoil spring. I finally talked the into new spring. Got the spring and now the front sight is loose. Can't get it tight or get it off. Waiting to hear from Taurus.
@Frank Bonazza III You’re a clown 🤡 A drifting rear sight is not a major issue. The guy had one ftf with a heavy bullet. Many different guns favor different bullets. List all the major issues for us will you? The Sig 365 was riddled with actual serious issues when it came out. Striker drag, etc. Even when these things were fixed the Sig and it’s mag cannot stand the elements and get rusty. This was the most biased review I have seen in awhile
LOL The GX4 is as accurate as any other. The sight moving is a sight problem, not a gun accuracy problem. If you weren't afraid of the GX4 being a better gun than your beloved 365 you would either change the rear sight, or loctite it in place. Many have done so with success. Then you say you only have about 100 rounds through it. lol No wonder you are more accurate with your 365. You are also the only one I have EVER heard say the 365 trigger is the better trigger between the two. You don't have to be a fan of the Taurus, but you should at least be honest. I would also have to raise the BS flag on all your triggers breaking at sub 4 lb. pulls. Again, you would have ALL unicorn guns if that were actually true. Might want to calibrate your gauge. lol
Bob, thank you for watching, commenting, and calling out what you initially perceive as BS. I'll address your comments, and I did stress throughout the review that my opinion is on THAT particular early sample T&E gun and doesn't necessarily reflect ALL GX4 pistols: - Sights: This particular GX4 is a T&E gun that another channel loaned to me, so I wasn't about to change the sights or secure the rear sight. I'm not the only one to have an issue with the GX4 sights, so it would have been disingenuous to not mention the issue. But I also mentioned that the sight was the issue, not inherent accuracy. - Taurus disparaging: I actually had a lot of good things to say about the GX4. If you have watched my reviews of other Taurus guns, you would have seen that I praise Taurus when praise is due, and in the video I said that I trust and carry the G3c. - As to my limited trigger time: You are correct that I didn't have a lot of time with it (it was on loan to me for a very short time). I agree that I probably could have been more accurate with that gun if I had more range time with it, AND if the sight issue was corrected. - Trigger: I use a Wheeler electronic gauge what has the factory calibration paper with it and I periodically check it against my RCBS spring trigger gauge, so I trust the accuracy of my Wheeler gauge. The GX4, like almost all guns other than 1911-style guns, has a pivoting trigger. Simple physics says that the farther the measuring point is from the pivot point, the less effort it takes to move the trigger. I run all straight and slightly curved triggers with my finger at the bottom of the trigger, so that's where I take my measurements. Those who measure closer to the fulcrum point will naturally get a higher reading. And though I said I personally like the trigger on MY P365, I said the trigger on the Gx4 was lighter than the Sig and it was actually smoother. I hope that addresses your initial perceptions. And again, thank you for watching and for commenting.
@@lasvegasadventures8729 not my gun. If that had been my gun, I would have changed the sights. But considering it was a Taurus T&E gun and I had it on loan, I wasn't about to mess with it. I test T&E guns exactly the way I receive them. The sight issue never should have made it past final inspection at the factory - particularly for a T&E gun.
I just bought the GX4 for my wife. While it's very nice feeling, the slide and catch are extremely difficult to operate, not just be her but my son-in-law and myself. Quite inexcusable in my viewpoint.
Thanks for the video. I have not shot the GX4 . But i have looked at them and they do not feel right in my hand. So i am not a fan at this time. And now hearing about the rear sight problem makes me glad i did not buy one . I will stick with my G2C and PT-92 for now.
The market is crowded with micro-pistols, so there's something for everyone, but not everyone will fit, or like, a particular gun. I'm with you that the GX4 isn't for me. Thanks, as always, for watching and commenting.
Yours is not the first review to show this gun has issues. I passed on this when my local shop had these for 299. Just something thru me off. I have 2 Taurus that are good. One the G2C the other TX22. I am not one to call all Taurus guns junk but there are issues with some we all know. I have had issues with dang near all manufacturers except Beretta, and that's because I have only had 2. I am not a fan of these micro 9 like the 365,G43 or Hellcat. But if others do that's cool. The only pistol I have thats never gave me issues is my 226. I have had it close to 25 yrs. I am not a Sig fan but I like the 226 for what it it. I don't shoot it at all. Well let's say I don't shoot it well😀. But always value your knowledge and opinion. Thank you for another well done presentation
I also have several decent Taurus guns. Unfortunately, this particular sample slipped past the Taurus QC inspector. (They do have a QC inspector, don't they? Oh, maybe not.)
The gx4 is having major problems that Taurus is refusing to address or admit is happening. The g3 is working finr but NOT the gx4, and you should stay far away as will be lawsuits. There are major problems with the gx4 trigger and slide reset. Which will cause a dead trigger and accident discharge if slide is slapped back into battery gun will fire. There's videos of a guy almost shooting his toe off after the dead trigger and slide doesn't reset and when slapped the gun fires. And Taurus is refusing this is happening. Yet many videos prove it is. Sig p365 admitted were problems and fixed them on 1st gen. Taurus is not.
The thing is, Taurus did address this. And any of them that were sent back with the issue have been fixed, or replaced. The reply from Taurus CEO said "It's a tolerance stack on the trigger bar. We tested over 2000 units we had in inventory and very very few exhibited the problem. Unfortunately yours did. So we've addressed it in our production." Looks to me like Taurus admitted there was a tolerance issue with their gun, and fixed it. It is funny to me that nobody thinks Sig is garbage, and pretty much everything they introduced in the last 15 years has had recalls. And the 365 had a lot more than a single part tolerance issue. They were having strikers and extractors break, the were having barrel crowns horribly mis-cut, they had magazine issues.
I just got one and the guide rod started coming unscrewed about half way after 50 rounds. So I put some lock tight on it and screwed it back in I’ll see next week when I fire it again if that works. Taurus QC sucks last one I’ll buy.
oh well, i was rooting for the taurus. at the gun shop yesterday they had the p365 for $529, i was seriously considering it when i saw a sig gsr in the used case and my 1911 addiction took over.
If you listen to this guy you will have missed out on a great gun. The Taurus rocks it regardless of price point. This reviewer is so biased it’s not even funny
I’m a retired PO (25 years on the street), I own 4 Glocks, 3 S&W’s, a P365, and several Ruger’s . . . I’m not saying the GX4 is a better gun than the others, but for self defense it will do the job just as the others will, but for the price you just can’t beat this gun, it works and I trust it
Many reports have been very positive on the GX4, though there have also been a number of problems with individual guns. My G3c is a gun I would (and do) trust. This particular GX4, however.....
I brought 2 gx4 for the same price of a sig365...taurus done a good job and this gx4 are very very good , only difference is not Swiss /German pedigree...
Yes Sir. I Agree
The gx4 is having major problems that Taurus is refusing to fix. The g3 is working but NOT the gx4, and you should stay far away as will be lawsuits. There are major problems with the g4 trigger and slide reset. Which will cause a dead trigger and accident discharge if slide is slapped back into battery. There's videos of a guy almost shooting his toe off after the dead trigger and slide doesn't reset and when slapped the gun fires. And Taurus is refusing this is happening. Yet many videos prove it is. Sig p365 admitted were problems and fixed them on 1st gen. Taurus is not.
The P365 has had some issues too
One more thing, I was involved in 4 shooting in my 25 years as a PO, every one of those was 15 yards or closer, these small defense guns “are not 50 yard shooters”, they are meant for a defensive weapon to save your life when that moment comes and the danger is in front of you . . . . By the way if you shoot someone 40 to 50 yards away (half a football field) your most likely going to end up in jail, shooting someone 50 yards away is not self defense
Dave, thanks again for commenting. And thank you for your service. I had a rewarding 38-year law enforcement career and I can agree fully with your comments. Having said (written) that, my experience and my personal belief are that it doesn't take much to make an accurate gun. The idea of "minute of torso" accuracy at 15 feet will work most of the time on the static range. But personally, if a gun can't reliably hit an IPSC "C" Zone at 50 yards under controlled conditions, it isn't accurate enough for me to rely on under stress. It would be the rare case for a non-LE defender to have to defend his or her life at distances greater than 25 yards, or even 15 yards, but the possibility does exist. And with today's manufacturing capability, there is no excuse for a pistol that can't hold "C" Zone accuracy at 50 yards. If it can't, I have to wonder about the whole manufacturing process and what else may show up 10,000 or so rounds later. (I know, I know - most owners of sub-$500 guns will never fire 1,000 rounds, let alone 10,000 rounds, which also means they aren't well trained and don't practice.) Sorry, but my personal standards may be higher than many folks.
@@RidersRange and thank you for your service as well, I subscribed to you channel you do a very good job with it 👍
@@RidersRange most people who buy budget guns do so for the fact they want a firearm to defend their life and or family's lives. If they spend $350 for a firearm, chances are finances play a role in their selection.
To compare your 38 years of training and the ability to shoot 10,000 rounds to a single person, maybe working two jobs to make ends meet, shooting 1,000 rounds as 'under trained' is disengenerous at best.
Maybe, next time encourage those people who shoot far less than you, to try and increase their abililities with the minimal resources they have.
Dave Mac I hope you are not implying that if someone is shooting at me 40 or 50 yards away I can't return fire to defend myself because its more than 10 yards. Distance does not matter when you are being shot at.
Sportsman’s Warehouse has the GX4 for $330.00 a really good buy, I’ve had my GX4 for 2 months now, and have been to my local range 3 times with it, I’ve put 450 rounds through it using several different brands of ammo . . Zero problems with it, it’s a really good pistol & I would definitely trust my life with it 👍
Dave, thanks for watching and commenting. I've had good experiences with many Taurus products, but it seems that their QC is somewhat lacking and less than perfect examples occasionally slip through.
@@RidersRange 'less than perfect'? I hope you hold all manufactures to this standard.
@@kennethcurtis1856 I do. Lately the QC from Dan Wesson, Springfield, S&W, etc., has occasionally been lacking.
Same.
I enjoy your reviews. I have the GX4 and really like the way it shoots for me. I installed Night Sights on mine after I was satisfied enough to make it One of my Carry Guns and when I removed the rear sight it only took a couple of taps with a Brass Punch and Hammer to knock it out, so I can see how it can " Auto Adjust " The Night Sights were a much tighter fit. Thank You and Keep up the good work !
Bob, thanks for watching. If that was my gun, not a T&E gun, I would definitely replace the sights. Good to know that aftermarket sights fit better.
Some folks have stated issue with the Safety Trigger, when depressed and not resetting, as though the internal spring (mechanism) were disengaged or perhaps missing. I purchased my new Taurus GX4 a month ago, and the Safety Trigger works as it should (Spring loaded). I wonder if the first batch of units sold with this issue. I purchased an extension for the 11-Rd mag and now my pinky is no longer w/out a home. Also replaced the stock front white-dot sight with the Ameriglo Front Night Sight. In addition to the above, I purchased a custom fitted IWB Carbon w/Leather backing Holster. What I've noticed is that the GX4 stock serrated rear sight has sharp end-corners on its backside (shooter's face side), hence when holstered in the IWB and located in appendix area, the rear sight sharp corner digs into my side when seated, annoying, but then if the leather backing/sheath were a little higher (hence between the rear sight and my flesh), then maybe all would be good. Might upgrade the rear stock sight. Shoots on point, and very confident with its size and performance. Anyway, very happy with my GX4
My GX4 is flawless and very accurate. I also own the Sig P365X but for me the GX4 is way better.
Sterling Mack, thanks for watching and commenting. As I've responded to many other Taurus comments, I believe the Taurus QC isn't the best, so the T&E sample I had may be an outlier. I have seen other good reviews on the GX4, so I'm sure there are some good ones out there. And I have had good experience with other Taurus products, just not with this particular sample.
Went to the range with my gx4 after I cleaned it and started getting FTE issues after about 75 rounds. Gunsmith noticed some issues with the extractor mechanism. Unfortunate with the reliability issues including my off center sight, is unacceptable. Back to my chunky Canick for now.
@@actraveler8309 sell it but warn future owner
@@sterlingmack5394 My plan is to send back to the OEM for warranty repair/replacement. I really want to like the gun, since I just received my holster for it too
First off I am not a Taurus hater. I have a Tx22 that I actually like better than my PPQ 22. I am not a fanboy of any specific brand of handguns but I do love my P365 and PPQ 9mm. I love these two because they both fit ME and are reliable and accurate for me. I recently (Dec.9th 2022) picked up the GX4 and put 150 rounds of blazer brass 115 grain full metal jacket through it. Best description of my experience is I loved the feel of it and the trigger. First three shots were high and left. So excited to shoot it didn’t bother to look at the rear sights other than to shoot. Unfortunately my experience went down hill quick when it started exhibiting the dead trigger syndrome. Thankfully I registered my gx4 almost immediately and will be sending it in to Taurus noting the issues it is having. I didn’t purchase it based on price. I purchased it because I liked the looks and feel in my hand. I hope Taurus steps up because I really want to love this gun. I have to say after 40 plus years this is the first time a gun has failed me right out of the gate. Wish me luck.
Okay, I wish you luck. I have several Taurus guns that I like, but the GX4 certainly isn't one of them. Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts.
How was the Taurus customer service? Did they fix your dead trigger issue?
I bought a GX4 few days ago and shot 2 mags, works just fine for now.
I've had my gx4 for a few months, have about 500 rounds through it with no problems. Can't comment about the sights cuz I put night sights on it right away and those have not moved, and the gun has worked flawlessly. For the price I'm very happy with it.
I'm beginning to think that it's not that the sight dovetails are too large, but that the Taurus sights are just a tad too small. Otherwise, the GX4 is a decent gun for the price.
So , if the GX4 had cost $550. would it be crappy ?
Please everyone stop with the " for the money " , either it's good or not .
If you broke a leg and it healed with a slight crook you wouldn't proclaim it good because the doctor only charged you $ 200. .
@@guynoir4733 Then it would have just been over priced compared to what you get vs other guns and I would have gotten the sig p365. My experience the gx4 is a great pistol, but comes with the basics, no night sight or optic cut slide. So for the money you get a no thrills good pistol.
@@RidersRange I would agree with that, my aftermarket sights had a much tighter fit than the ones that came on the gun.
@@guynoir4733 many folks take the cost into consideration, whether or not they can afford a particular price. There are good $1,000 guns and not-so-good $1,000 guns. There are also decent $300 guns and not-so-good $300 guns. So, good for the money is actually a consideration for many people.
Luckily, I never even heard of the GX4 until about a year after it came out. So I hoped when I bought mine that Taurus had fixed the early issues that some reviewers pointed out. And so far it has been a winner for me. Absolutely no issues with the sights or trigger and so far it functions perfectly. I'm very happy with it. I don't have a trigger pull gauge, but the trigger feels like it breaks at between 5 and 6 lbs. And with no external safety, I'm happy with that.
Stop telling us it's an empty gun Ask if I'm watching this and I'm in danger.
Wow - A Sig pistol that is more accurate than a Taurus pistol. Who saw that coming? EVERYONE! Thanks for sharing the follow up review. Goes to show you if you spend a little bit more you get a heck of a lot more.
From my experience with other Taurus products, I had high hopes for the GX4. Unfortunately, this sample didn't deliver. I'll stick with my 365, or my Kimber Micro pistols for pocket carry.
My GX4 is super accurate and I own Sig P365X. So for me the GX4 > P365X
@@sterlingmack5394 Thanks for sharing. It’s always good to hear about different perspectives. That’s what makes this channel so great is the commentary by the viewers. I’m interested in getting a micro nine, but honestly don’t like the high prices that they are charging considering my compacts are already working for me. How was the transition for you?
@@Quality_Guru Once I purchased the 13 round mag, I was hooked instantly on the GX4. It is very accurate, and I put the Glock sights on it.
@@sterlingmack5394 Great - Thanks for letting me know. I may wait till the optics ready TORO model comes out.
I put a Dawson Precision fiber optic sight on mine and it shoots dead on at 20 yards. This gun will fire any load, bullet profile, long or short OAL it eats it up. I have 1K rounds through this gun no problem whatsoever. I bought mine with the earth tone slide for $320. The trigger is 6 lbs but very crisp with little pre travel. It’s not bad. It’s a better gun than the Glock 43 that I had by far.
Very good review. I own the G3c and the GX4. The G3c has been flawless. Still going great after @ 1500 rounds. As for the GX4, it too was great but after 800 rounds, started to have slide issue where it did not engage fully. Had to send it back to Taurus two days ago for repair.
Had a Glock 23 in .40,SW. Had slide issues with it after 100 rounds. It is hit or miss tolerance. My rock Island 1911A1 Tactical shoots everything put in the mag. Just too big and heavy for an old guy.
GX4 feels good ,shoots well, conceals very well.
Hickock45 likes it, so good enough for me.
I have the G2C and it's been such a reliable great shooter that i don't see getting any other Taurus, over 1000 rounds and no issues. It shoots accurate, very manageable recoil as well. I did change out the sights to Ameriglo night sights
I get it. You love Sig, but you leave out that the P365 had one of, if not the most disastrous launches In modern gun history. I understand Taurus did a shitty job on their sights, but you leave out striker breakage and catastrophic failures in which every P365 in the first 2 batches had to go back to Sig. The consumer should not be the beta tester for pistols. It's a good video and I enjoy your channel, you should however be thorough and state the problems the Sig has as well. And downplaying the trigger safety on carry guns didn't play well either. Just my 2 cents. Please keep up the good work.
Mark, thank you very much for watching and commenting. I agree that the Sig launch of the 365 didn't go well, though it was nowhere near as bad as the Remington launch of the R51. (Too many gun makers seem to be rushing new designs to market these days.) My point was to compare what is currently available. I also offered that my complaints were limited to the sample GX4 that I had and are not necessarily indicative of all of those GX4 pistols, or even all Taurus pistols in general, and that I have had good experiences with many other Taurus models.
As to the trigger "safety", too many folks seem to be lulled into a false sense of security and think of it as an actual mechanical safety, rather than just what it is: a drop safety and a device to keep the trigger from being pulled when something hits the side of the trigger. (Here is a quote from Glock's website: "The trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if it’s dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isn’t a direct firing pull.") Any object that puts pressure against the front of the trigger defeats that "safety", unlike the mechanical safeties on other guns, such as the 1911 design, Taurus G3c, optional on some Sig P365 models, and many, many other guns. Most folks don't stop to think that most modern striker-fired guns (Kahr and a couple others being the exception) are anywhere from 85% to 100% cocked without any user-operable mechanical safety. Anything that moves the trigger to the rear can make the gun go off. Almost like carrying a cocked revolver, which I bet most folks wouldn't do, even if the revolver had a "trigger safety" on it.
I carried a Glock of one model or another on duty for 24 years, without incident, and wouldn't hesitate to carry one today if I didn't have better options. But I'll still stand by my position that any "trigger safety" doesn't provide the same level of protection as does a true mechanical safety that is independent of the trigger. That's why I am a real fan of the 1911 platform with a thumb safety AND a grip safety. (Well, that and other reasons.)
Sorry for the long answer, but you know from my videos that I have a tendency to go into detail.
@@RidersRange I agree with absolutely everything you just said. I actually carry a Hellccat, and I carried a Glock or a Beretta for years. I'm not really defending the Taurus as much as I wanted you to go through the fact that Sig P365 despite costing twice had a much worse launch. If you're comparing the 2 I believe you should've gone through both guns problems.
@@KFGHQ that's a good point. I didn't even think of getting into the early 365 issues, but it would have made a better comparison. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@RidersRange great channel! All the best to you sir!
not even close to every sig had to go back, wow. thats the issue these days. very poor common sense.
Really good review, informative as well. Thank you for the upload!
Thank you for watching.
Yeah I have the gx4 and have over 1000 rounds. No problems. Just like most new guns there's going to be a few that is going to have some problems. Don't worry guys they will fix all the problems that a small few is having with these.
Others have commented that putting new Glock-compatible sights on this gun may cure the self-adjusting sight issue without having to send it back to Taurus. Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange I've never had a problem with my sights. But good to know. I've been thinking about upgrading them
I love my GX4 ! Short trigger pull and reset ! The 3C trigger didn't engage until it hit the rear of the guard ! Way too much dead trigger pull for me ! I have 1000 rounds through mine and it shoots great ! GX4 for me any day ! I gave my son my P365 !
The gun has to fit you and work for you. Looks like you found the one. Thanks for watching.
If you want to add 2 more rounds of capacity to the P365 (so it's either 12+1 or 14+1 [with the pinky extender]), but only add a barely noticeable 1/8", try the Magguts +2 extender kit. It uses a flat spring system, which is how 2 more rounds fit. And I pocket carry the 14+1 P365 quite comfortably. With the OEM 15 round mag in my back pocket.
I haven't tried the Magguts kits. Thanks for the suggestion. And thanks for watching.
I had the same problem with accuracy. Wish I watched your review before purchasing it. Thank you for the review.
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Dont know why you guys always try every way to bash taurus. I had more problems with american made gun than with taurus.
I'm sorry you believe that I was trying "every way to bash" Taurus. I just call it like I see it. I carry the G3c on occasion and my reviews were favorable to several other Taurus guns. Unfortunately, the GX4 that I tested had issues. That doesn't mean ALL GX4 samples will have issues, but I couldn't rely on the one that I reviewed.
I agree , Haters Suck!!
Quit being cheap , y’all swear Taurus makes the best guns … Glock 43x is one of the best conceal carry , I would consider the G3c over this wanna be sig p365
Yeah you want junk try a Remington R 51 re-engineered, Total crud what a disgrace to the original. Along with the faulty safety on the model 710. Gave up hope on Remington. Shameful.
NOTE: My GX4 is not part of the recall.
I bought my GX4 for my NEW EDC in June 2021 and have had 0, No, issues to this date and have run over 2900 rounds.
Wasn't looking for a firearm that was Optics ready or had a 'rail'.
I wanted a small 9mm that would be the best for self defense, concealment, yet have quality and be dependable. I wasn't going to be in any shooting competition with the GX4 as I have other firearms for that.
Purchased the GX4 at my local Scheels and got the last one in stock at that time - 329.00.
Received the pinky extensions (2) for the two 11 rd mags that were included and that completed the grip for me....good to go with my pinky on board.
Of course my 13 rd mag comes with the extension.
That's all I needed to do to get the GX4 the way I wanted it on my hip...or wherever I carry it.
Recently upgraded to the Tru-Glow sights which is a great add-on over the factory sights.
Also have now a Viridian Red Laser which was an easy mount not having a rail.
Added this weekend the Hogue HandALL Beavertail Grip Sleeve specifically for the GX4 and GX4XL.
Do some have issues, sure they do. Did some Shield Plus have issues? Did the Sig P365 have any issues? Did the Glock 42 or 43 have issues? It’s a big yes to all.
Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts.
I bought the GX4 last week with the express plan in my mind of changing the sights out for Ameriglow or XS dot sights for my older eyes. I also have a 13 round mag from, Academy Sport to use a my back mag while using the short mag for conceal purposes. My first time at the rang with the gun was less than spectacular, but that may have been more to the lack of shooting because the ammo issues we are having now. I did change it over to Ameriglow sights and will try it out tomorrow, I also order concealment holster on order with a claw attachment which I should get Saturday or Monday. In short, I spending money to make it a system as it was designed by use.
Donald, thank you for watching and adding your experience with the GX4. Even with the price of the sights, you still have a decent gun at an affordable price. I've found very few sub-$700 guns that I didn't have to change at least the sights, but more often, both the sights and the trigger.
Put a similar Hogue grip on the GX4, and you'd likely shoot it just as good as your 365. However, because you do shoot the 365 with the Hogue grip... some what handicaps the GX4 too, giving the edge to the 365. Thanks for the topic, and comparisons.
Taurus definitely needs to take care of that sight drift
I'm sure they will, but it would be easier - and quicker - to just order a set of Glock sights for it -- if it were my gun.
I have this for my EDC and I absolutely love it. It doesn't print at all and conceals very well
Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts.
The GX4 is respectable but not as good a value as the G3c. Less gun for the money so to speak.
Good point. Thanks for watching.
Couldn't PAY ME to even CONCIDER having the UNTRUSTWORTHY p365... but the GX4 is HANDS DOWN the best thing that has come out!!!!
Every manufacturer has a bad run on occasion. The early 365 was certainly no exception. You may have had a bad experience with the P365 and a good experience with the GX4. However, that's not always the case. Thanks for watching.
Stop being cheap, you just like the price and how small it is 😂
I’d trust this over anything Kimber makes!
You are not alone with that opinion, though all of my Kimbers have performed very well. Thanks for watching and commenting.
GX4 trigger has a very distinct wall and a short reset. I put 100 rounds thru it immediately at pickup and it had no problems with 115 gr American Eagle. I'm going to carry it via iwb holster. I alternate it with a Springfield Mod 2 running a techna clip, and both disappear under my shirt so I can't complain. More rounds been thru the Mod 2, so it's still my primary.
Thanks for watching and adding your info.
I’ve been carrying my P365 in a Mitch Rosen/Sig OWB holster, and have complete confidence in it after 2 years. Yvonne and I won 3 P365’s, but that’s not unusual for us. Thanks for Sharing! 👍👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Winning guns? Well done.
@@RidersRange Spell Check Glitch!!!! I should have read “own”… 🥴😁
@@frankbutta9344 ahh. I like "won" better.
You can have a problem with any gun... I had a glock 19 gen 5 last year after only 200 rounds at the range the slide broke and would stay rigged i shipped it back and got it fixed but apparently it's a common problem with glocks according to the guy from customer service and the people i talked to at cooper customs. I shot over 2k rounds out of my g3c andd gx4 with out any malfunctions yet and i heard nothing but positive things about taurus lately!
Looks like you got a lemon. I've had my gx4 for a couple months now no issues. Love the gun
This sample appears to have slipped past Taurus QC - that is IF they actually have a Quality Control department. Thanks for watching.
I enjoyed your review. What I found is this the Sig 365 will only take brass where as the Taurus gx4 will shoot anything. I enjoy shooting both the guns though.
Interesting. I may have to get some steel case 9mm to try in my Sig.
I have a GX4 .. 300+ rounds .. runs fine
G2C 1.5 K through it … runs like my 19
Its like a 26+
But … I hadn’t shot out to 50 yards …
20 only .. and it was OK … I really need to shoot it more …I hate the grip on the P365..
I agree on the 365 grip. I struggled with it until I put the Hogue HandAll grip sleeve on it. Thanks for watching.
Same issue with the rear sight self-adjusting. Otherwise, I really love the pistol!
If that were my GX4, not a T&E gun, I probably would try a new set of Glock sights to see if that would cure the issue. If not, the gun would go back to Taurus. And it does have a lot going for it.
thank you for your view on this gun ! love the input!
Thanks for watching.
Great review. The GX4 is on my wish list, but reviews like this make me pause. RKGuns had it on special for $279 a couple weeks ago.
It may work for you, just not for me. And that's a great price. Thanks for watching.
You should of saved the 18 minutes of video and came out and said, ( I'm a sig guy so i don't like taurus)
Except that wouldn't be honest. If you have watched my channel for long, you would know that I have done several very favorable Taurus reviews and that I carry a G3c on occasion. I just call 'em like I see 'em. Apology accepted. And thanks for watching.
Nothing wrong with being truthful. I have a 365xl, 365, and a gx4. Gx4 sight drifted and front sight came extremely loose on first range day. Had 3 failures to feed on the first 100 rounds.
Mine not having any issues at all. Not even the trigger delay issue.
Bruce, thanks for watching and commenting. The Taurus QC seems to be spotty, at best. Many of their guns run just fine, but they also seem to have their share of problem guns.
Just bought one (non-TORO) for $269 shipped.
Now, THAT'S a great price.
Great video! My initial problem with the gun was also that it didn’t shoot well. I’ve got an update video coming soon that you may like. But I, like you will be sticking with my Sig.
I'll be looking for that video. Thanks for watching.
Your headline is misleading. The gun failed to load one super heavy round and you act like its unreliable. Many guns like different ammo. Also, you shoot your Sig better than the Taurus. That doesn’t mean the Taurus isn’t accurate. Take a look at Honest Outlaw shooting the Taurus at 50 yards. It’s as accurate as your Sig 👌🏻
Walter, thanks for your input. Quality control - or lack of same - plays a part in any gun, more so in the less expensive guns. Accuracy and reliability are impacted by poor QC, so some samples of a gun may work better than others. This particular GX4 wasn't the best sample of a Taurus product. Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange
I guess you forgot to mention that every single 365 that first came out was recalled with major issues. They were literally LEMONS
@@megasmoothone that's the rumor that has been repeated on the Internet, and there were issues with many P365s initially, but I can't find any actual evidence that "every single 365 that first came out was recalled". If you can provide a link to actual verifiable evidence of that claim, I'd be interested.
He will do better next time, he will have new glasses.
You know A Haters review, when you see 1!!
I do reliability packages on g2c that works so well it’s one of my edc maybe I should do a gx4 with all these issues
If you work on a GX4, let us know how it turns out.
@@RidersRange will do u peaked my interest
@Frank Bonazza III some of the greatest inventions were made from fixing something someone else built gota b open minded
@Skips Guns
What are all these issues that you speak of? Drifting rear sight? WTF are even talking about? The GX4 is a great gun with zero major issues. I guess you missed were the first to batches of Sig 365’s were recalled because they were LEMONS with actual firing issues 🙄
@Frank Bonazza III
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Always giving Sigs and Glocks a pass, But Taurus?No, cant do that!!! , even with stiker breakage , or cracked frames , Give Sigs a pass , Burn Taurus at the Stake , And I own Both , , ,
I've had decent luck with several Taurus pistols and revolvers. They are generally acceptable guns for the money. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Agreed. This guy is a Sig fan boy and its obvious. Sig 365 had so many issues when it came out. Even after the firing issues were fixed the gun and mags are still rust buckets
Yes Sir
I found a Shield pmus with night sights, TS and opticscready for 349$. Thevgun is in my EDC rotation. Mounted a Cyelee red dot on it. Shooting took a little getting used to but now I'm secure at 25 yds A zone. I like the gun as it is easy to conceal and performs well .
I Love Mine for a year, still Love it. But mine started to have Zero trigger reset what so ever? I sent it back to be repaired. Will update.
What's the good reason for not wanting to put your index finger of your opposite hand on the front of the trigger guard? You mentioned that it was an 80's style of shooting. Which makes sense for me since the early 80's is when I learned to shoot.
William, the "theory" behind the finger on the front of the trigger guard was to help control recoil. If done correctly on a properly shaped trigger guard, it may have some benefits (look at Jerry and Lena Miculek).
However (there is always a "however"), it can actually be detrimental to accuracy and follow-up shots for many (most?) people. There have been several good videos on grip from the Warrior Poet Society, Patrick E. Kelly, Wilson Combat with Masaad Ayoob, Bob Vogel, TheHubleMarksman, and others, and rarely do many of the top shooters recommend the index finger of the support hand on the front of the trigger guard. Of those who do use that method, there are some very important considerations. So, it is not recommended for most shooters.
Thanks for watching.
Didn’t realize any particular way of shooting went out of “style”. I don’t give a damn how it looks as long as I’m hitting the target.
I've never owned a Taurus pistol, they are capable but they need to step up
as far as a defense carry weapon......you pay for what you get !!
I think the Taurus QC isn't the best. I have some very decent, reliable Taurus guns, but this GX4 isn't one of them. I'd rather spend a little more to get a lot more (SIg), but not everyone is in that position.
Found one at a local Pawn shop, new with original retail box, 2 magazines Just over $320 out the door($5 Background check included.)
Not a bad deal. Thanks for watching.
Some folks have stated issue with the Safety Trigger, when depressed and not resetting, as though the internal spring (mechanism) were disengaged or perhaps missing. I purchased my new Taurus GX4 a month ago, and the Safety Trigger works as it should (Spring loaded). I wonder if the first batch of units sold with this issue. I purchased an extension for the 11-Rd mag and now my pinky is no longer w/out a home. Also replaced the stock front white-dot sight with the Ameriglo Front Night Sight. In addition to the above, I purchased a custom fitted IWB Carbon w/Leather backing Holster. What I've noticed is that the GX4 stock serrated rear sight has sharp end-corners on its backside (shooter's face side), hence when holstered in the IWB and located in appendix area, the rear sight sharp corner digs into my side when seated, annoying, but then if the leather backing/sheath were a little higher (hence between the rear sight and my flesh), then maybe all would be good. Might upgrade the rear stock sight. Shoots on point, and very confident with its size and performance. Anyway, very happy with my GX4
Anthony, thank you for watching and for adding your experience and thoughts on the GX4.
I just bought a new GX4 and immediately had trigger reset issues. Basically a dead trigger every 20 rounds or so. I shipped it back to Taurus. The customer service rep said that was "common on the GX4" !! Otherwise it shot very well..
Taurus quality control seems to be hit and miss. I hope they fixed it for you.
Same! I went to the range today and it would jam every 2-3 shots it was terrible!!!I didn’t get to empty one full clip. Do you know what the problem could be?
@@bv2542 make sure it's cleaned and lubed, then check your ammo. If you are shooting round-nose target ammo and it still jams, try a different magazine. If it jams with all mags, either polish the feed ramp and breech face, or send it back to Taurus.
@@RidersRange yeah i just bought it brand new so I haven’t cleaned it yet but I’ve only shot 200 rounds and it jammed pretty much everytime
@@bv2542 Here is the scoop with the GX4. I sent mine back to Taurus. Got it back in less than 3 weeks. According to the warranty repair sheet. "Replaced trigger assembly and rear support".. The customer service rep said this was a problem with some of the GX4 pistols that left the factory, so they get right on it. Since I got mine back I have put about 200 rounds of different FMJ and 40 rounds of HST through it. ZERO malfunctions. Shoots great! And to point of aim. I ordered the Ameriglo front sight blade and put it on in minutes. Fantastic pocket 9. On today's polymer NON 1911 pistols, the whole polishing the feed ramp and certain types of ammo being the problem is hardly ever the issue. Bad magazines can surely be an issue. This last decade, I purposely take a new semi auto right out of the box and shoot it. That will tell you everything right there. Hope this helps.
I bought my Gx4 for taking with me on hunts gets dropped in dirt, stays wet, and has never once had a malfunction….
Taurus QC seems to be hit or miss. Some run just fine, others - not so much. Thanks for watching.
I want to comment on one thing you said. If you miss by 1 inch at 7 yrds, you will be off 7" at 50 yards. (Plus a little rise or drop)
Correct. Thanks for weighing in.
I'm not saying the SIG P365 is cheap 499 is more than the GX4 is the extra spent on the SIG you'll get it back if you ever sell it my Taurus G2c costed 199 but when l put it for sale only got 85 dollars for it your not getting a used SIG P365 in good shape for under 430 used l have the SIG P365 and I'm more than happy with it for just under 550 dollars of the door
Good point on the resale value. Plus, the Sig comes with night sights.
@@RidersRange Sig's P365 X-Ray 3 Day/Night sights alone are worth the price of admission. 😁
I bought my GX4 for my NEW EDC.
Wasn't looking for a firearm that was Red Dot Optics ready or had a 'rail'.
I wanted a small 9mm that would be the best for self defense, concealment, yet have quality and be dependable.
I wasn't going to be in any shooting competition with the GX4 as I have other firearms for that.
Purchased the GX4 at my local Scheels and got the last one in stock at that time.
329.00
Put the Amerigo Glow Dot front sight on and a big+ over the white factory front sight.
29.95
Received the pinky extentions (2) for the two 11 rd mags that were included and that completed the grip for me....good to go with my pinky on board.
9.98
Of course my 13 rd mag has the extension.
Got my Taurus GX4 IWB Holster from CYA Supply Co. Liked it so much got another for my Sig P238.
That's all I needed to do to get the GX4 the way I wanted it on my hip.
I'm glad the GX4 worked out for you. Thanks for watching and commenting.
You never showed the other guns at 50 yards except for the p365. BTW, when you carry who are you shooting at from 50 yards? I hope you have a good lawyer. Close combat is 5 to 7 yards so let's be realistic.
As I've replied many, many times in the past, if you only practice at the statistically "average" defensive distances, you will never know how you and your gun will perform at greater distances, should the need arise. (Think Greenwood Mall in Indiana last summer. I've read reports that the civilian who stopped the mass shooting got 8 out of 10 hits at distances up to 41 yards.) But if you regularly practice with your carry gun at greater distances - 25 yards or more - you will have much greater competence and confidence at those statistically "average" distances. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Little over 800 rds through gx4. No problems, not one
Many are good, some are not. Not good Taurus QC. Thanks for watching.
Hey what are the barrel markings on the left hand side of your barrel? Mine say 21012x I’ve seen another that said 21033x and one that read 21040x do you know what this means?
Fondled one in my LGS yesterday. I like it don’t get me wrong but I also have a Shield Plus and a P365XL and just don’t see a need for it but maybe down the road.
The GX4 is smaller than the 365XL and the Shield Plus, but I think both are higher quality than the GX4. Thanks for watching.
I like your videos but noticed your like some other guys I get that you judge your choice cause of the price, some guys not you if they has problems and it’s a sig or Glock it must be the ammo if it’s a Taurus is quality control at Taurus
Abel, thanks for watching and commenting, but price is not a relevant issue for me. If you watch some of the videos in my Great Affordable 1911 Series, there were several times when I put a bargain-basement gun up against a very pricey gun, and often the "cheap" gun equalled the expensive gun in performance and/or features. Also, the bargain-basement Taurus G3c is my "around the ranch" carry gun.
Yes sir , You hit that Nail on the Head, with the Hammer!!
A great review/ comparison
Thanks for watching.
GX4 outweighs the 365 by a tad as well.
Thanks for adding that.
I bought one and I'm still waiting for it to arrive (in Brazil the bureaucracy is huge). I hope it don't come up with problems.
Biggest problem area seems to be the sights. But since it takes Glock sights, any related problem should be easy to rectify.
@@RidersRange I hope so.
Nice review. You'd think, a T&E gun would SURELY pass through qc, and be nothing but the best quality! Anyway, I have a pt112 g2 Millennium, and a tx22. Both are exceptional! This looks like a nice blend of both. But, to me, there's just not enough difference to make me want it. Plus, I've got big hands, and the g2 is as small as I care to go in 9mm. Besides, I like the restrike capability, short tactile reset, thumb safety, adjustable sights, and 12 round mags!
Even if this T&T gun were flawless, it isn't enough to get me to change from the G3c - or many other nice compact guns.
Nice job Rider
Thanks.
$330 vs $550?... Well Regardless of those little “miner issues” I would pick the Gx4 instead ...I have shot with both (p365&gx4) and I find the gx4 more comfortable, accurate also it was more enjoyable to shoot with
I'm sure there are good GX4s out there. It just seems that Taurus QC is hit-or-mis, and this sample didn't make the grade. Thanks for watching.
I had the same issue except both my rear sight shifted right my first range trip AND my front sight came extremely loose.
I just picked one up and have had the exact same issue. I just had night sights installed, so we'll see if it stays true.
@Ardzye, one more example of spotty Taurus quality control. Thanks for the comment.
Mine is great!!!! Going to get the one with the longer slide….
I'm glad yours is working well for you.
Well, I just picked one up so when I make a range trip I’ll let you know if I encounter similar problems.
Some are great, others -- not so much. Spotty quality control. Thanks for watching.
Mine struggles to go into battery when wracking by hand. Shooting seems to reduce the frequency. Smack the mag and it will close the chamber. Mine seems to shoot well under when my others shoot. Like it but I don’t like the loading issue
My SIG P365 for a micro compact with a 3 inch barrel l would consider it more effective or accurate at 15 yards or under more so than most guns this size and that's what a gun this size is intended for its not a target gun it's a up close and personal type firearm at 5 7 10 yards it shoots very nice groups even for first time shooters no it's intended for military combat it's a self defense firearm and like the review the trigger on the P365 is pretty good not great but l love where it breaks way before the back of the trigger guard compared to other guns
Gloria, thanks for watching and commenting.
Hickok45 shot this gun like he wanted to win a compitition. Lol
Hickok45 is a very good shooter - and a great story teller - but hitting a 2 foot diameter plate at 80 yards isn't all that difficult with most handguns.
I use an Ortgies Deutsche Werke 32acp for pocket carry. But I only carry it for shooting snakes in the yard, until I get a pocket sized 22lr pistol 😀
Craig, I'm testing several ammo types in a Ruger LCP II .22. Review soon.
My gx4 is stupid reliable.
That’s awesome. I wish mine was. I’m waiting for a shipping label for repair unless I can sell it first
I like sig but not a die hard fan the p365 failed me 3 times Junk !! No gun should have striker drag or trigger failures. I like Taurus gx4 current carry for me is Glock 26
Colt 45, I understand that the early P365 pistols had issues, but both my P365 and P365XL have worked flawlessly. Thanks for watching and adding your thoughts.
Sig is not worth it.. does not shoot any better. It’s a up close weapon.
It's for "up close" -- until it isn't. If you know how you can perform with a particular gun at greater than "normal" distances, you KNOW you can perform with it up close. But if you only practice and train at the "statistical average" distances, you will never know how you will perform when a long shot is required.
Practice is always good, just saying most 9mm shoot flat and it is up to the shooter to to master each weapon. For the money you are well armed with a good broken in GX4.
Gotta say, my GX4 is accurate at 15 yards. I can keep a group the size of the palm of my hand at that distance. The key is to practice “aiming small, missing small”. Both guns are good for what they are - micro subcompact pistols.
I have well over 1000 rounds through mine, and it’s broken in nicely. Trigger pull is decent, i.e., about the same as the p365. Felt recoil is also about the same, but the grip contour of the GX4 makes it easier to shoot without feeling like it’s getting away from you.
I got a great deal after Black Friday, $211 out the door after Taurus $50 rebate and military discount. Only upgrades were fiber optic sights and +2 extensions for magazines that came with it.
Good stuff Rider
As always, thanks.
This guy is a Sig fan boy. He can’t shoot the Taurus properly. Not the gun’s fault. The guy struggled putting it through fast paces, sad. Sig 365 has rusty mags. Rust on the rest of the gun also after time. Striker drag and many other documented issues when it came out. Literally all of them had to be recalled and easily la led as LEMONS👌🏻
Always liked the Glock 48/43x MOS a lot more than any of the other small 9mms.
Now that Shield Arms has made their 15-round mags, the G48 and 43X are definitely in the running.
Yeah the G43X and G48 just plain work...
And apparently they just plain sell also because I’ve been looking for another one for months!
The only criticism I have would be like all Glocks they point a little high for 1911 fans.
Not trying to be critical here, but if y’all want to trust your life to a Taurus, I reckon have at it.
Yeah I know “your’s works just fine”. But I wonder how many of these pistols could withstand a moderate to advanced pistol class.
I know you can most certainly defend your life with this pistol, And I appreciate Taurus making firearms such as these available to the general public. But.
@@formerpilgrim4934 I agree.
Taurus & brands like that do have some nice pistols, but I just don't have the same faith in them that I do in Glock, FN, CZ or brands that have a worldwide decades old track record of reliability.
@@formerpilgrim4934 all good points. Though I'm betting that very few Taurus pistols will ever be seen in anything resembling an advanced pistol class. A lifetime round count of 500 or more will likely be the exception, not the rule.
I got the Taurus gx4xl it seems pretty great to me I hear so much about the sig p365 I think the Taurus gx4xl might have it Sig Sauer just a big name like apple Nike and Glock
Mine shot extremely low. I was having to aim a good 12" high to hit the bottom of my target.
I returned it and bought a 365 xl. It's deadly accurate.
Low seems to be a trend with several Taurus pistols. At least this can be rectified with after-market sights. Or, as you did, trade it for a Sig.
@@RidersRange I traded it for the Sig.
I had a set of sights put on it by my local shop.
I believe it was just a flawed gun. It happens, no manufacturer is perfect.
I wouldn't be afraid to buy another Taurus of some sort.
@@infidel24
The Sig 365 was littered with documented issues when it came out
@@megasmoothone I'm well aware, I have no issue's with Taurus, the one I had just didn't shoot accurately. I've seen plenty of review's from those that love the gx4.
If I'm a fanboy of any handgun brand, it would be Walther. I was looking for a PPQ SC when I bought the taurus. It's almost impossible to find. So I thought I'd try something else.
I've disregarded the p365 because it doesn't fit my hand. I would require that handall junior grip. I'd be afraid that it would trap sweat inside that grip and perhaps stick more to clothing. Reasonable concern or not?
Brian, I agree that the P365 grip is just too small, even for my medium-size hands. I have the HandAll grip on my 365, 365XL and S&W Shield and I've never had any problems getting any moisture trapped between the grip sleeve and the pistol grip. They fit too tight to allow moisture in.
As far as sticking to clothing, the rubber texture will do that more than the plain plastic grip will. However, I've carried all of the above mentioned pistols IWB and I've never noticed any issues.
Thanks for watching.
They are both illegal where I live… have a 10rnd CZ, but I’d love one of those….
Thanks for watching.
Just got the GX4 and it’s failing to go into battery after racking the slide. Is anyone else having this issue? Also how can I correct this issue?
How's your grip? Do you suppose any part of your hand is contacting the slide as it cycles? Or are you riding the slide when you rack? I do notice the slide action is quite short as it is a micro, and so my hand is a lot closer than usual.
@@yakamen No my hand completely clears the slide. I got some ammo that cycles just fine just the hollow points don’t feed correctly!
@@yakamen I have Federal FMJ 124gr and some Hornady critical defense 115gr I think it is.
@@murphyjones85 Hmmm, good to know. I have not shot hollow points in my GX4 yet but I was hoping to use IMI 124gr type. Hopefully the feed ramp gets broken in with continued use. I myself have wondered about the effects of the shorter barrel of a micro gun and what the tradeoff is for penetration or lethality. It might be that an FMJ isn't too bad at all, as long as it feeds, since you're going to lose velocity from the micro. I consider self defense range as being about shot placement anyhow. As long as she feeds.
I have had no problems with mine feeding anything I have given it. Have run a few different brands including hollow points. So far 100%
Mines been flawless so far in the couple hundred rounds it's been fired as well as my full size g3,g3c and tx22 but it is a little concerning hearing about these gx4 issues.
Taurus quality control seems to be a little spotty. Some guns run 100%, others, not so much. Thanks for watching,
Have you done a review of P365XL? Ran one yesterday and it ran great. Plus... It was a rental gun..
I did my initial review of the 365XL in July, 2020, with the 1,000 round review follow-up on August, 2020. It was my primary carry gun for a while and I still do carry it on occasion. Both videos are still up on my channel.
I somewhat liked your video up till the part where you made the comment of shooting your personal defense handgun at 50 yds. Come on man, 50 yds. Then you state how great the Sig 365 did at that distance. You sound like just another Taurus hater and one that has sold its soul to Sig Sauer.
@Gary Brown, first, I want to thank you for watching. Then I need to clarify a couple issues. I shoot almost every gun at distances out to 50 yards because I want to know the practical limits of each gun in my hands, and some work better than others at that distance. If I only shoot defensive guns at the "statistical" defensive distances of 3, 5, or 7 yards, that's all I know I can do with that gun. I don't plan to have to engage a criminal at Greenwood Mall distances, but I need to know whether or not a gun in my hands CAN do that. So, if I know how I can perform with a gun at 50 yards, I KNOW how I can perform with that gun at a closer distance.
As to Sig and Taurus, I haven't sold my soul to any manufacturer, let alone to Sig. (I own far more Glocks and Kimbers than Sigs and I own several Taurus pistols.) And I often carry my Taurus G3c, so I can't hate it, nor can I doubt its reliability. That particular GX4 didn't work well for me, but it's a sample of one. That certainly doesn't mean all Taurus pistols are bad. It doesn't even mean that all GX4 pistols are bad for everyone.
So, here's a challenge to you - and everyone who owns a handgun: Develop your skill so that you can accurately shoot at distances far greater than the "statistical" defensive distances and do most of your practice at very small targets at least 15 yards away (the farther the better) and you will find you have more confidence in your firearm and in your personal skill level.
Again, thank you for watching and adding your perspective.
@@RidersRange I really love the way you respectfully address commentators.
How much is user error???
Mark, if you have watched my other videos, you would know that I can make good guns work well all the way out to 50 yards. (The Kimber Micro 9 and Sig P365 are a couple examples.) I'm not the only one who shot this particular gun, and I'm not the only one who had issues with it.
A lot. The guy struggled running the gun quickly. The Taurus loves to be run fast.
I shoot trap and have shot a older BT-99 for a while and wanted to get a over and under, would you mind telling me the price tag of your citori 725 pro trap
I bought my Citori 725 HIgh Rib Trap used with a Keith Heeg custom stock, but none of the original Browning accessories. I was very fortunate to get it for less than $2,000.
I thought this gun was great for the first 200 rounds, then my recoil spring fell apart. I call Taurus and they wanted to send a new screw for the recoil spring. I finally talked the into new spring. Got the spring and now the front sight is loose. Can't get it tight or get it off. Waiting to hear from Taurus.
Sorry to learn of your issues, but thanks for watching and adding your experience with the GX4.
Take pliers and pull / twist the front sight off
You can replace it with a front Glock sight
That's exactly what I did. Needle nose. It took awhile but came off.
@Frank Bonazza III
You’re a clown 🤡
A drifting rear sight is not a major issue. The guy had one ftf with a heavy bullet. Many different guns favor different bullets. List all the major issues for us will you? The Sig 365 was riddled with actual serious issues when it came out. Striker drag, etc. Even when these things were fixed the Sig and it’s mag cannot stand the elements and get rusty. This was the most biased review I have seen in awhile
LOL The GX4 is as accurate as any other. The sight moving is a sight problem, not a gun accuracy problem. If you weren't afraid of the GX4 being a better gun than your beloved 365 you would either change the rear sight, or loctite it in place. Many have done so with success. Then you say you only have about 100 rounds through it. lol No wonder you are more accurate with your 365. You are also the only one I have EVER heard say the 365 trigger is the better trigger between the two. You don't have to be a fan of the Taurus, but you should at least be honest. I would also have to raise the BS flag on all your triggers breaking at sub 4 lb. pulls. Again, you would have ALL unicorn guns if that were actually true. Might want to calibrate your gauge. lol
Bob, thank you for watching, commenting, and calling out what you initially perceive as BS. I'll address your comments, and I did stress throughout the review that my opinion is on THAT particular early sample T&E gun and doesn't necessarily reflect ALL GX4 pistols:
- Sights: This particular GX4 is a T&E gun that another channel loaned to me, so I wasn't about to change the sights or secure the rear sight. I'm not the only one to have an issue with the GX4 sights, so it would have been disingenuous to not mention the issue. But I also mentioned that the sight was the issue, not inherent accuracy.
- Taurus disparaging: I actually had a lot of good things to say about the GX4. If you have watched my reviews of other Taurus guns, you would have seen that I praise Taurus when praise is due, and in the video I said that I trust and carry the G3c.
- As to my limited trigger time: You are correct that I didn't have a lot of time with it (it was on loan to me for a very short time). I agree that I probably could have been more accurate with that gun if I had more range time with it, AND if the sight issue was corrected.
- Trigger: I use a Wheeler electronic gauge what has the factory calibration paper with it and I periodically check it against my RCBS spring trigger gauge, so I trust the accuracy of my Wheeler gauge. The GX4, like almost all guns other than 1911-style guns, has a pivoting trigger. Simple physics says that the farther the measuring point is from the pivot point, the less effort it takes to move the trigger. I run all straight and slightly curved triggers with my finger at the bottom of the trigger, so that's where I take my measurements. Those who measure closer to the fulcrum point will naturally get a higher reading. And though I said I personally like the trigger on MY P365, I said the trigger on the Gx4 was lighter than the Sig and it was actually smoother.
I hope that addresses your initial perceptions. And again, thank you for watching and for commenting.
Loctite the sight? Why would i want to Loctite anything if that is not what it's designed to do? Why pay money so you have to DIY stuff on it?
@@lasvegasadventures8729 not my gun. If that had been my gun, I would have changed the sights. But considering it was a Taurus T&E gun and I had it on loan, I wasn't about to mess with it. I test T&E guns exactly the way I receive them. The sight issue never should have made it past final inspection at the factory - particularly for a T&E gun.
I just bought the GX4 for my wife. While it's very nice feeling, the slide and catch are extremely difficult to operate, not just be her but my son-in-law and myself. Quite inexcusable in my viewpoint.
The recoil spring is a little stiff, which also makes the slide stop lever more difficult to work and makes the slide more difficult to slingshot.
Thanks for the video. I have not shot the GX4 . But i have looked at them and they do not feel right in my hand. So i am not a fan at this time. And now hearing about the rear sight problem makes me glad i did not buy one . I will stick with my G2C and PT-92 for now.
The market is crowded with micro-pistols, so there's something for everyone, but not everyone will fit, or like, a particular gun. I'm with you that the GX4 isn't for me. Thanks, as always, for watching and commenting.
The GX4 is a great gun. Don’t base your decision to own one on this review. You’ll be missing out
@@megasmoothone thanks. But they do not feel good in my hand is the main thing I am going on.
Me too I traded it for a TX 22
Probably a good trade.
Likes to hear himself talk.
Or - likes to convey information. Thanks for watching.
Yours is not the first review to show this gun has issues. I passed on this when my local shop had these for 299. Just something thru me off. I have 2 Taurus that are good. One the G2C the other TX22. I am not one to call all Taurus guns junk but there are issues with some we all know. I have had issues with dang near all manufacturers except Beretta, and that's because I have only had 2. I am not a fan of these micro 9 like the 365,G43 or Hellcat. But if others do that's cool. The only pistol I have thats never gave me issues is my 226. I have had it close to 25 yrs. I am not a Sig fan but I like the 226 for what it it. I don't shoot it at all. Well let's say I don't shoot it well😀. But always value your knowledge and opinion. Thank you for another well done presentation
I also have several decent Taurus guns. Unfortunately, this particular sample slipped past the Taurus QC inspector. (They do have a QC inspector, don't they? Oh, maybe not.)
@@RidersRange I wonder if they have QC at times myself
@@scottmorgan1016
GX4 is a great gun. Don’t listen to this guy 👌🏻
The gx4 is having major problems that Taurus is refusing to address or admit is happening. The g3 is working finr but NOT the gx4, and you should stay far away as will be lawsuits. There are major problems with the gx4 trigger and slide reset. Which will cause a dead trigger and accident discharge if slide is slapped back into battery gun will fire. There's videos of a guy almost shooting his toe off after the dead trigger and slide doesn't reset and when slapped the gun fires. And Taurus is refusing this is happening. Yet many videos prove it is. Sig p365 admitted were problems and fixed them on 1st gen. Taurus is not.
The thing is, Taurus did address this. And any of them that were sent back with the issue have been fixed, or replaced. The reply from Taurus CEO said "It's a tolerance stack on the trigger bar. We tested over 2000 units we had in inventory and very very few exhibited the problem. Unfortunately yours did. So we've addressed it in our production." Looks to me like Taurus admitted there was a tolerance issue with their gun, and fixed it. It is funny to me that nobody thinks Sig is garbage, and pretty much everything they introduced in the last 15 years has had recalls. And the 365 had a lot more than a single part tolerance issue. They were having strikers and extractors break, the were having barrel crowns horribly mis-cut, they had magazine issues.
@Dylan Owens, thank you for watching and adding your thoughts.
I just got one and the guide rod started coming unscrewed about half way after 50 rounds. So I put some lock tight on it and screwed it back in I’ll see next week when I fire it again if that works. Taurus QC sucks last one I’ll buy.
From what I've been reading in the comments, Taurus "quality control" seems to be spotty, at best. Thanks for watching.
@@RidersRange it’s been fine since I put the lock tight on it. 300 more rounds no problems.I guess for the $ it’s hard it beat.
Looks like the finish is already coming off
It's not coming off, just somewhat polished down through holster wear.
oh well, i was rooting for the taurus. at the gun shop yesterday they had the
p365 for $529, i was seriously considering it when i saw a sig gsr in the
used case and my 1911 addiction took over.
Ahh, I know how that 1911 addiction can rule. Thanks for watching.
If you listen to this guy you will have missed out on a great gun. The Taurus rocks it regardless of price point. This reviewer is so biased it’s not even funny
Taurus gx4 is way better than that sig p365
Different strokes for different folks. The fit and function of a handgun is a personal thing. Thanksf or watching.