I think that the whole "here's a part of me" thing they did, is without a doubt the best possible route. Not letting us use Arceus would leave an incomplete feeling to the game, but just letting us throw a Pokéball at it, even if a special one, would end the whole myth around it. This way it works perfectly!
It was definitely one of my biggest worries before release how they would handle Arceus. Kind of hope we get more very powerful Legendary and Mythical Pokémon and maybe just do the same thing? Haha.
im still kind of unsure if that’s what the “part of arceus” is referring to. you’re given the legend plate at the same time as receiving arceus, there’s some ambiguity there. it’s fair to say the one you receive and the one you speak with throughout the game are different, but there’s still the possibility it’s the same one, just appearing in different ways
@@leftygurl Yes, when I first read it, I was under the same impression. The part of itself in question could in fact be refering to the Legend Plate, but Arceus definitely has multi-location abilities. However, that doesn't necessarily mean that there are always multiple Arceus running around at the same time. Arceus just might be able to materialize one or more avatars at will and then dematerialize them when it doesn't feel inclined to interact with the world.
The whole “catching legendary deities” thing also gets addressed within Legends itself, when you speak to Cognita after catching Enamorus, she brings up that they are willingly joining you, and will leave of their own volition once the player character passes. Of course, we have the metacontextual power of a grandpa that exists beyond space and time, but in-universe our player character is not immortal.
You really have to Command PLA for giving us answers for some of the longest Pokémon questions How can 10 year old children catch gods? How do Pokéballs work? All we need now is a proper timeline to the games themselves
@@groovy_scorpion6490 The game explaned in the beginning how the poke balls work. If you missed that information you always can go back and read it again. And, excuse me but , who is 10 years old to you??? In the game, our avatars are 11 to 16 years old.... And about how humans can catch pokemon is that, those pokemon decide to go with them. Legends of course want to see if the human worthy first.
@@esztervarga5431 you oversimplified a lot and didn't mention any of the contradictions present in your theories, but I agree that it's good Legends started to explain some of this. The whole legendary thing, though, was established in earlier games like Rayquaza in ORAS, though I liked how it explained how legendaries who are caught are only willingly travelling with the trainer temporarily until they die.
@@esztervarga5431 And for calling the protagonist 10 l was just simplifying what I’m actually trying to say since I’m not just talking about PLA I’m talking about the Pokémon games as a whole
@@kulanshkhurana7432 mew can do that in master with professor oak Pre-sync move it knows swift and psychic but after using the sync move it has blizzard fire blast thunder and psychic
I think this is a very genius decision. It allows Arceus to be obtainable without it's godly status being put into question. We've just been using parts of Arceus and not the Alpha Pokemon itself. I definitely don't think this is a retcon since it feels more like expanding on what little information we already had.
So, since Arceus is supposed to have 1000 arms and this form has 4 legs, which could technically be arms, could there be a total of 250 parts of Arceus like this in the Pokémon World?
I’d think the unknown are the arms + Every game is an alt dimension so objectively speaking there are multiple arceus giving off a piece of themselves to us countless times
Arceus is such an adorable dufus. imagine God being all chill, throwing some punches but then willingly allow itself to travel with a kid, not before some pretty generous praises for essentially throwing bags of spice at it.
and even being chill enough to present the kid with a godly iphone at the beginning without them having even done anything yet, then by the end being like "I'm glad I met you kid :)" lowkey love arceus in this game
Judging from how Arceus appears in the games, it's more like that the Arceus in Legends is merely just a mortal mirror apparition of him. It would explain why he allowed himself to be captured, can be fainted, etc. I think the real Arceus is the one we meet in the intro to Legends Arceus. A being so powerful that we can't comprehend, so all we see is a shining light
I've always assumed Arceus we get in games as a portion of the true Arceus. Similar to the Holy Trinity in Christianity, the many Arceus in games are just portions of one great being.
So each person that has an Arceus in their party has 0.00001% of the entire being. And even that 0.00001% makes it the most powerful Pokemon to ever exist.
Here’s a fun fact: during the arceus fight the attacks that it uses references every noble Pokémon fight before it. starting of with Lilligant, with the ground blasts Electrode’s timed detonation attacks. Avalugg’s semi homing shot. After that a unique attack somewhat resembling a reverse version of Electrode’s self-destruct or maybe primal dialga/palkia (I wasn’t paying nearly enough attention to how the attacks looked during that fight). Kleavor’s dash is used, and lastly Arcanine’s interruptible charge attack. All together this is a great way of solidifying that the nobles all have an extension of Arceus’ power.
@@Amelia4111 there, it’s fixed. Also, if you’re gonna do a spellcheck comment, could you at least point out all of them so it’s at least a funny wall of text rather than just sounding pretentious?
Yeah good take :D I feel like the Arceus made of light in the opening is unlikely to be the full form though because of the ring around it. I think the Ring signifies a restraint oh power. I imagine the true arcues (the orginal one) to look even more like the bata sprite. Unfortunately I think this form is unobtainable. You would need to re combine, Dialga, Palkia and Giritina in their origin forms with the Arceus plates and any other parts of itself that are out there to view it.
The text from the Hiker's dialogue in Canalave Library seems to suggest that the Original One is the title used for Arceus' physical self, its avatar, while the Original Spirit is the title used for its non-physical self, the spirit of all things, which is revealed to be its light form from Legends Arceus. ----------------------------------‐------‐--------‐---------------- I more so think that the ring on Arceus represents the part of itself that is spirit. It is a dharmachakra, which animates the world and all souls, but drives souls towards pure spirit, which is the fundamental unity of all things. The Creation Trio, in Origin Forme, have similar rings around themselves called bhavachakras which keep souls tethered to the physical world and away from unity in separate, individualized forms. For this reason, I don't think the ring will break to reveal something more powerful since the light version of Arceus would be it if that were the case, and in that form, it still has the ring on. You probably got the idea from Type:Null breaking its helmet, which is modelled after Arceus' ring, to become Silvally. However, Arceus does not need to break its ring in order to use its Multitype ability while Type:Null has to in order to use its RKS System. It's probably something peculiar about Type:Null and does not hint at Arceus having to do the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------- I believe that if the Creation Trio, the Lake Guardians and the plates were to return to Arceus, the universe and all the souls in them would cease to exist and only the Original Spirit would remain. To be more exact, we would all become one with the Original Spirit and become it. We would all share the same perspective through Arceus' mind. Essentially, we would have reached the Omega Point.
That's exactly it. Another being like that is the Living Tribunal from Marvel in which we only see a sliver of its true form. It never leaves its dimension but can create avatars and appear in multiple, alternate universes at once. Light Arceus is like the One Above All, and physical and dream Arceus are more like the Living Tribunal, but in this case, they all host the same mind, and that single mind speaks through its representations, which are localized in different realms.
@@TheNamelessOne888 Arceus true form is beyond our comprehension. He is most likely the supreme being of Pokémon. Omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, omni-benevolence.
@@roxasvonbielefield2245 She must've been a Steel/Fairy type. A warrior chosen by God to lead a massive army, who was also 4x weak to Fire type attacks....
i dunno about darkseid cuz i don't read comics but is he an Avatar of himself cuz technically arcues(the fence goat) is just a piece of arceus(the glowing light at the start probably). arceus is more like a small part of a whole thing that is still technically that thing
I tend to think that Arceus is splitting off some percentage of itself it allows that percentage to be captured by the player. So the player actually is capturing arceus, but not the entire Arceus.
ayyy im in the video! i like the idea of beta arceus being a loose rendering of the big glowy arceus, as seen by someone who encountered it. maybe a “faller” like the player or ingo, or perhaps even volo or another ancestor of cynthia. beta arceus just LOOKS like a cave drawing or something and even though game freak will never acknowledge the leaks, id love to see it pop up as an easter egg in an old book in a library in a future game
Its similar to the descartes philosophy. GOD has infinite objective reality (TRUTH - as seen in FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST - knowledge) and we as humans can only obtain a skewed image of what god's form because this is a being so powerful and with infinite knowledge that we cannot possibly comprehend it, which is why arceus shows up as light, and his earthly form is what we see in game
I'd actually prefer if legendary pokemon worked like a summon in Final Fantasy. You don't catch them but you can call on their aid for one powerful attack per battle. It would allow you to still collect them in a way and let them maintain their legendary status by being the only one.
This is so cool. Also because you're using the ost of gen 3. I'd love a legends hoenn game but in a way we're we are a pokemon. So it's closer to see the battle of the earth and sea in primal forms. And let the original team magma and aqua be powerful pokemon. The rest of the types try to survive.
Rayquaza: with this mega power i am now the strongest pokemon of all time, even stronger than you father! Arceus:congratulations my son, very impressive, now i can finally use 2% of my power against someone Rayquaza:what?... fuck...
Platinum pokedex entry: "It is said Arcues emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world." Me: WHAT MADE THE EGG??!??!?!?!
This. Im so glad the actual game touched upon this. Arceus how we see it is just a part of the real arceus which really is incomprehensible. This way arceus is travelling with you on your journey but at the same time its also still the god of pokémon and exists everywhere else. It wouldn't really make much sense if arceus, the GOD, just disappeared after you caught it.
its amazing how they managed to give back the title of strongest pokemon of all to Arceus with just a few words, no need to a mega/new form or anything
If palkia controls space, dialga controls time, giratina controls the distortion between space and time And arceus is said to of created all three of them and controls each of them itself, and one arceus is only part of the whole, i wouldnt find it hard to believe that arceus controls stuff at a multiversal scale and what we see is only a part of arceus, any more than that and it might destroy our minds by being some multidemtional being And that scene we got in the new dlc, wont spoil it for people, shows that even a masterball means nothing if the being’s will is strong enough i feel like arceus humors the player more than anything when caught Arceus was said to create everything with it’s thousand arms, people theorized that meant the unknown, but i think that it means there are countless numbers of psycial avatars of arceus, i feel without out them it might be too powerful and might rip reality asunder if it entered reality And that event in hg ss arceus creates a new legendary pokemon in the form of an egg just for the player, though there are unknown in that moment, and they are always shown outside of space and time especially where palkia and dialga clashed, so maybe the unknown are part of arceus’s tools
I love the theory of them being "the hands of Arceus",altough i think they are 10 to 5 hands combined with just a spark of his real power,maybe he sended them to control earth from disaster
I mean yes, he talk to the player for what its seems in legends arceus at the beggining, soo he knowns he is in a game, soo he let us play to save the day
Based on how nearly everybody in the games mentions the controls, but usually people of importance, I have a feeling most Pokémon characters know about the nature of their world to some extent, but, as their world is one of peace, where humans have learned their lesson to a greater extent, they don’t really care that much. The world is real to them, and that’s all that matters.
I still need to finish them, but honestly I do really love what I’ve played of the first one. Just a matter of actually doing it and getting my gameplay capture set up finished here in my new place.
mean best possible explanation there is yet how the gen 4 protags avatar are both the ones to be send back in time and first one in gen 4 is js a reminder they write this as they go lmaoooo
I don't think that the beta Arceus or the light Arceus that we see at the start of the game is it's form, it probably is just a bigger fraction of Arceus...Like, eternamax Eternatus can't be bigger than God's truje form
best game in the series bar none, just by the fact you can circle dodge a pokemon attack, trow stun item and proceed to capture using pure reaction and skill without ever sending out your own pkmn
it never made sense to me, arceus, girantina, palgia and dalgia should be colosasus, towering over the planets, yet it made zero sense to me how they suposedly made the worlds and space, yet they are like a couple of meters tall, and dont get me started on how we the player can basicaly subjicate this suposed gods in a pokeball
i think we should have lengendary pokemon but i think it should just be one and you can't port it to another trainer it permanently bonded to THAT trainer that caught it. like once red catch's mewtwo its now only red's and cannot be traded or used outside of npc battles. or my favorite solution is you get ONE and no other just like starters. so you are forced to make your pick wisely.
Arceus that created the game world(Hall of Origin):"Why is everyone disrespecting me? I created that world! 😭" Original Arceus:"Because you are not that strong in combat, lol." (Hall of Origin):"Don't lol me, you created me this way. 😭" Original Arceus: *trollface* Anime Arceus:"Where is this place, you guys? I tried to return to my own realm, but I must have made a wrong turn." Manga Arceus:"Huh?" 2:28 I mean, assuming something similar also shows up in the original japanese, it would be? Localizers can still make up a lot of stuff until the day's over.
necrozma is not complete either. ultra is just a its failed attempt at regaining its true power. if all the z-crystals were somehow reattached to him, and enough light were to be injected... maybe, just maybe, the ruler of the multiverse could once again shine upon all realities.
Bruh you gotta understand that Mega Rayquaza literally forced singles to invent a new, higher tier for competitive Pokémon because of how absurdly broken it is 😂😂 and then there's Ultra Necrozma, which is canonically unbeatable. It just snowballs the consumption of light until it becomes literally invulnerable.
A part of it would imply it's limited. I still wouldn't refer to it as a god in the way the average Pokemon fan does. They tend to treat him like some omnipotent bible level god. When at best, he seems to be similar to the way people think of myhtological deities like Zeus or Odin.
Not really. Removing one aspect from something that has infinite aspects to it both results in you having a part of it while it remains infinite. Now, the question is if "infinity" actually exists or if it is humanity's scientific fanfiction, but the concept still applies.
@@lpfan4491 No, really. You can't remove infinity from infinity. Thus, you cannot take a piece of infinity, and say "it's also infinite". Removing an aspect implies it had something finite to take from. Otherwise, how can you take ifninity from infinity? You can't. It would merely still be attached, and not really be something you can cut off from the source. Even in a Pokeball.
The existence of bunrei/divided spirits in Shinto (alongside Vedic traditions that slid over to Japan) makes that something you can't exactly say with confidence. Ritualistically splitting a god can just as much create a new one as it does just let the first shrine exist in two places, so it is entirely possible for "normal" Arceus to range from being "regular" Pokemon in the shape of itself to basically just Arceus multitasking and just... doing less on a second monitor. Hell, we probably won't ever know what all "actual" Arceus can do since Volo and Giratina were at its doorstep metaphorically flinging bags of shit over its lawn and it just threw some teenager at them... just like how it threw a DIFFERENT guy at Giratina when it was doing its angsty rebel nonsense in the past.
Has Arceus ever face a different dimension of Arceus in Pokémon, and I hardly see Arceus vs the different version of Arceus from a different universe. A danger is whatever Arceus do, the Arceus of a different dimension has a move defy Grace which Arceus has a move Creator Grace and why does it not appear in Pokémon Go, the different dimension Arceus that is different in look from Arceus,
![What IS Beta Arceus? [Pokémon Diamond and Pearl] | GatorEX](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/TqpII9Baix0/mqdefault.jpg)
I think that the whole "here's a part of me" thing they did, is without a doubt the best possible route. Not letting us use Arceus would leave an incomplete feeling to the game, but just letting us throw a Pokéball at it, even if a special one, would end the whole myth around it. This way it works perfectly!
It was definitely one of my biggest worries before release how they would handle Arceus. Kind of hope we get more very powerful Legendary and Mythical Pokémon and maybe just do the same thing? Haha.
im still kind of unsure if that’s what the “part of arceus” is referring to. you’re given the legend plate at the same time as receiving arceus, there’s some ambiguity there. it’s fair to say the one you receive and the one you speak with throughout the game are different, but there’s still the possibility it’s the same one, just appearing in different ways
@@GatorEX If instead of catching we could "call them" or "summon them", it would keep the value of the Pokémon!
@@leftygurl Basically, it means that we are getting a avatar copy of the Pokégod. Since he’s a god, he can be multiple places at once.
@@leftygurl
Yes, when I first read it, I was under the same impression. The part of itself in question could in fact be refering to the Legend Plate, but Arceus definitely has multi-location abilities.
However, that doesn't necessarily mean that there are always multiple Arceus running around at the same time. Arceus just might be able to materialize one or more avatars at will and then dematerialize them when it doesn't feel inclined to interact with the world.
The whole “catching legendary deities” thing also gets addressed within Legends itself, when you speak to Cognita after catching Enamorus, she brings up that they are willingly joining you, and will leave of their own volition once the player character passes. Of course, we have the metacontextual power of a grandpa that exists beyond space and time, but in-universe our player character is not immortal.
You really have to Command PLA for giving us answers for some of the longest Pokémon questions
How can 10 year old children catch gods?
How do Pokéballs work?
All we need now is a proper timeline to the games themselves
@@groovy_scorpion6490 The game explaned in the beginning how the poke balls work. If you missed that information you always can go back and read it again.
And, excuse me but , who is 10 years old to you??? In the game, our avatars are 11 to 16 years old....
And about how humans can catch pokemon is that, those pokemon decide to go with them. Legends of course want to see if the human worthy first.
@@esztervarga5431 you oversimplified a lot and didn't mention any of the contradictions present in your theories, but I agree that it's good Legends started to explain some of this. The whole legendary thing, though, was established in earlier games like Rayquaza in ORAS, though I liked how it explained how legendaries who are caught are only willingly travelling with the trainer temporarily until they die.
@@esztervarga5431 I wasn’t asking any questions I was just giving examples of questions we had for long periods of time that were answered in PLA
@@esztervarga5431 And for calling the protagonist 10 l was just simplifying what I’m actually trying to say since I’m not just talking about PLA I’m talking about the Pokémon games as a whole
I'm fairly certain the moves Arceus uses in its PLA boss fight are Draco Meteor, Judgement, Shadow Force, Roar of Time, and Spacial Rend
That sounds like a good estimation. They all make sense thematically.
Arceus is so strong it uses 5 moves in a battle. That's nice
Well that means it can use 5 moves in battle, fitting for a god
@@kulanshkhurana7432 mew can do that in master with professor oak
Pre-sync move it knows swift and psychic
but after using the sync move it has blizzard fire blast thunder and psychic
I think this is a very genius decision. It allows Arceus to be obtainable without it's godly status being put into question. We've just been using parts of Arceus and not the Alpha Pokemon itself. I definitely don't think this is a retcon since it feels more like expanding on what little information we already had.
So, since Arceus is supposed to have 1000 arms and this form has 4 legs, which could technically be arms, could there be a total of 250 parts of Arceus like this in the Pokémon World?
I’d think the unknown are the arms
+
Every game is an alt dimension so objectively speaking there are multiple arceus giving off a piece of themselves to us countless times
What if the arms were parts of Arceus? With each of its parts, like the one obtained by the player, counting as one arm?
Arceus is a hand. Take off his head and you'll see it.
@@MegaMachiOnline
alternate universe*
I think light arceus is basically a fleshed out version of beta arceus, it even has the orange eyes!
The fact Giratina wanted to fight against Arceus, must have much confidence or perhaps arrogance to think it could succeed.
Arceus: You are banished, punished, you sinner
Giratina: come at me bitch, i wanna take you on
... only be completely ignored by Arceus, who was basically sandbagging against the same trainer that kicked Giratina's teeth in six ways to Sunday.
Just like Lucifer Morningstar
If I had to guess, literally nobody except the protagonist really knows that there is an original Arceus.
@@lpfan4491 i think volo and creation trio knows as well
Arceus is such an adorable dufus. imagine God being all chill, throwing some punches but then willingly allow itself to travel with a kid, not before some pretty generous praises for essentially throwing bags of spice at it.
well he also praises the kid for not being killed by the lazers and meteors he was launching
and even being chill enough to present the kid with a godly iphone at the beginning without them having even done anything yet, then by the end being like "I'm glad I met you kid :)"
lowkey love arceus in this game
I genuinely hope arceus gets more content in the future I find it both adorable and terrifying. It’s my fav pokemon(?)
Judging from how Arceus appears in the games, it's more like that the Arceus in Legends is merely just a mortal mirror apparition of him.
It would explain why he allowed himself to be captured, can be fainted, etc. I think the real Arceus is the one we meet in the intro to Legends Arceus.
A being so powerful that we can't comprehend, so all we see is a shining light
I think the real Arceus is everyone. Like...we are groot.
The real Arceus is the beta design from the original DP
@@callmesilver2683 No, that's literally just a beta design.
@@Mwright4444 No, that's literally just a joke.
@@tox9809 No, that’s literally just a reply.
I've always assumed Arceus we get in games as a portion of the true Arceus. Similar to the Holy Trinity in Christianity, the many Arceus in games are just portions of one great being.
There is a trinity: Light Arceus, Dream Arceus & Physical Arceus.
So each person that has an Arceus in their party has 0.00001% of the entire being. And even that 0.00001% makes it the most powerful Pokemon to ever exist.
The original spirit is still an avatar of Arceus' true form. Any percentage are irrelevant.
Here’s a fun fact: during the arceus fight the attacks that it uses references every noble Pokémon fight before it.
starting of with Lilligant, with the ground blasts
Electrode’s timed detonation attacks.
Avalugg’s semi homing shot.
After that a unique attack somewhat resembling a reverse version of Electrode’s self-destruct or maybe primal dialga/palkia (I wasn’t paying nearly enough attention to how the attacks looked during that fight).
Kleavor’s dash is used,
and lastly Arcanine’s interruptible charge attack.
All together this is a great way of solidifying that the nobles all have an extension of Arceus’ power.
It's Lilligant, NOT Liligent! Avalugg is supposed to end with 2 G's! We don't use commas in contractions the second time, we use apostrophes!
@@Amelia4111 there, it’s fixed.
Also, if you’re gonna do a spellcheck comment, could you at least point out all of them so it’s at least a funny wall of text rather than just sounding pretentious?
Yeah good take :D I feel like the Arceus made of light in the opening is unlikely to be the full form though because of the ring around it. I think the Ring signifies a restraint oh power. I imagine the true arcues (the orginal one) to look even more like the bata sprite. Unfortunately I think this form is unobtainable. You would need to re combine, Dialga, Palkia and Giritina in their origin forms with the Arceus plates and any other parts of itself that are out there to view it.
Hiya Toby!!!
Bata
The text from the Hiker's dialogue in Canalave Library seems to suggest that the Original One is the title used for Arceus' physical self, its avatar, while the Original Spirit is the title used for its non-physical self, the spirit of all things, which is revealed to be its light form from Legends Arceus.
----------------------------------‐------‐--------‐----------------
I more so think that the ring on Arceus represents the part of itself that is spirit. It is a dharmachakra, which animates the world and all souls, but drives souls towards pure spirit, which is the fundamental unity of all things. The Creation Trio, in Origin Forme, have similar rings around themselves called bhavachakras which keep souls tethered to the physical world and away from unity in separate, individualized forms. For this reason, I don't think the ring will break to reveal something more powerful since the light version of Arceus would be it if that were the case, and in that form, it still has the ring on.
You probably got the idea from Type:Null breaking its helmet, which is modelled after Arceus' ring, to become Silvally. However, Arceus does not need to break its ring in order to use its Multitype ability while Type:Null has to in order to use its RKS System. It's probably something peculiar about Type:Null and does not hint at Arceus having to do the same.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
I believe that if the Creation Trio, the Lake Guardians and the plates were to return to Arceus, the universe and all the souls in them would cease to exist and only the Original Spirit would remain. To be more exact, we would all become one with the Original Spirit and become it. We would all share the same perspective through Arceus' mind. Essentially, we would have reached the Omega Point.
I like to think of the parts of Arceus as Avatars similar to Darkseid from DC Comics. The avatars aren't the true versions of both characters.
That's exactly it. Another being like that is the Living Tribunal from Marvel in which we only see a sliver of its true form. It never leaves its dimension but can create avatars and appear in multiple, alternate universes at once.
Light Arceus is like the One Above All, and physical and dream Arceus are more like the Living Tribunal, but in this case, they all host the same mind, and that single mind speaks through its representations, which are localized in different realms.
@@TheNamelessOne888 Arceus true form is beyond our comprehension.
He is most likely the supreme being of Pokémon.
Omnipotence, omnipresence, omniscience, omni-benevolence.
10 year old child: **Literally has God on speed dial**
Catholic priests: **Visible Confusion**
Hey! we had catholics who had him on speed dial as well lol ask Jean D'Arc :v
@@roxasvonbielefield2245 She must've been a Steel/Fairy type.
A warrior chosen by God to lead a massive army, who was also 4x weak to Fire type attacks....
Arceus is like Darkseid in that the already overwhelming entity is the avatar for something incomprehensibly powerful and vast
i dunno about darkseid cuz i don't read comics but is he an Avatar of himself cuz technically arcues(the fence goat) is just a piece of arceus(the glowing light at the start probably). arceus is more like a small part of a whole thing that is still technically that thing
_What's it like to possess a fraction of GOD?!_
Yea, I’m 100 percent convinced that the Arcueses that we see and catch are 1 of his 1000 “arms”, because it is stated in lore that he has 1000 “arms”
Arceus is genderless, NOT a he!
@@Amelia4111 same with real life god, but we still call him ‘he’ because it is the default pronoun for God and also Arceus
1:45 don’t forget calyrex
How could I forget my favorite little dude? Well, I guess with Calyrex it speaks through someone else’s body? But you’re right, Calyrex still counts.
@@GatorEX also Zoroark was shown to be able to speak when mimicking human appearense
1:43 actually calyrex in the crown tundra was the first instance of a legendary talking to the player in a game
Actually Tapu Koko in sun and moon was the first instance of a legendary talking to the player in game
In pokemon ranger guardian signs regigigas speaks to you if I remeber it right. Or was it pokemon ranger 2? I'm not sure.
What if the Arceus we know is just one of its 1,000 arms
I tend to think that Arceus is splitting off some percentage of itself it allows that percentage to be captured by the player.
So the player actually is capturing arceus, but not the entire Arceus.
That said, even that small percentage of the entire being makes it the most powerful Pokemon you could ever hope to attain.
I'm completely convinced that Arceus true form is completely Omnipotent
So, you're not gonna talk about the thing Cogita says once you capture Enamorous? How it's joining you willingly and it'll just leave once you die?
ayyy im in the video!
i like the idea of beta arceus being a loose rendering of the big glowy arceus, as seen by someone who encountered it. maybe a “faller” like the player or ingo, or perhaps even volo or another ancestor of cynthia. beta arceus just LOOKS like a cave drawing or something and even though game freak will never acknowledge the leaks, id love to see it pop up as an easter egg in an old book in a library in a future game
It could also be that he is sealed in some way, as type nulls helmet has the design of the crest along arceus’s torso
arceus also says that its realm is beyond space and time at the start of the game, something which no other pokemon can do
Its similar to the descartes philosophy. GOD has infinite objective reality (TRUTH - as seen in FULLMETAL ALCHEMIST - knowledge) and we as humans can only obtain a skewed image of what god's form because this is a being so powerful and with infinite knowledge that we cannot possibly comprehend it, which is why arceus shows up as light, and his earthly form is what we see in game
maybe arceus just got tired from taking care of 3 idiots and lost all his willpower
Arceus is genderless, NOT a he!
Ok
holy shit its the man
Hi god how's it's going
I'm gonna catch u
OH MY LORD IT'S THE POKE-LORD
The True Form of The God is going to be broken stat-wise for sure.
I'd actually prefer if legendary pokemon worked like a summon in Final Fantasy. You don't catch them but you can call on their aid for one powerful attack per battle. It would allow you to still collect them in a way and let them maintain their legendary status by being the only one.
Only a few legendary Pokemon would permanently join you like Zacian and Zamazenta, Reshiram Zekrom and Kyrem.
Arceus mind be like: Bro, I think erease A 10 year old boy memories and make him solve the problem that I could solve in one second is perfect 🙏
This is so cool. Also because you're using the ost of gen 3. I'd love a legends hoenn game but in a way we're we are a pokemon. So it's closer to see the battle of the earth and sea in primal forms. And let the original team magma and aqua be powerful pokemon. The rest of the types try to survive.
Rayquaza: with this mega power i am now the strongest pokemon of all time, even stronger than you father!
Arceus:congratulations my son, very impressive, now i can finally use 2% of my power against someone
Rayquaza:what?... fuck...
Platinum pokedex entry: "It is said Arcues emerged from an egg in a place where there was nothing, then shaped the world."
Me: WHAT MADE THE EGG??!??!?!?!
Maybe the capturable arceus can be interpreted as one of arceus's thousand hands.
This. Im so glad the actual game touched upon this. Arceus how we see it is just a part of the real arceus which really is incomprehensible. This way arceus is travelling with you on your journey but at the same time its also still the god of pokémon and exists everywhere else. It wouldn't really make much sense if arceus, the GOD, just disappeared after you caught it.
its amazing how they managed to give back the title of strongest pokemon of all to Arceus with just a few words, no need to a mega/new form or anything
i finally beat the game today!!
"...first game to encounter Arceus"
Meanwhile in Pokémon Conquest🫣
Doesn't Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon imply every game every Pokemon player has is their own little dimension? Wouldn't that imply Arceus's power is infinite?
no, it's more likely that each one has its own Arceus...
@@arc8687or Arceus avatar
The true Arceus maybe. It’s likely each dimension has its own Arceus figment to govern that realm.
That’s not a theory game freak has legit confirmed we’ve never seen the true arceus only his proxies those are what we catch his proxies
If palkia controls space, dialga controls time, giratina controls the distortion between space and time
And arceus is said to of created all three of them and controls each of them itself, and one arceus is only part of the whole, i wouldnt find it hard to believe that arceus controls stuff at a multiversal scale and what we see is only a part of arceus, any more than that and it might destroy our minds by being some multidemtional being
And that scene we got in the new dlc, wont spoil it for people, shows that even a masterball means nothing if the being’s will is strong enough i feel like arceus humors the player more than anything when caught
Arceus was said to create everything with it’s thousand arms, people theorized that meant the unknown, but i think that it means there are countless numbers of psycial avatars of arceus, i feel without out them it might be too powerful and might rip reality asunder if it entered reality
And that event in hg ss arceus creates a new legendary pokemon in the form of an egg just for the player, though there are unknown in that moment, and they are always shown outside of space and time especially where palkia and dialga clashed, so maybe the unknown are part of arceus’s tools
So they're the hand in the pond and the player and npcs are the fish?
Arceus should have a multityping
Bro imagine god just texting you regularly
I love the theory of them being "the hands of Arceus",altough i think they are 10 to 5 hands combined with just a spark of his real power,maybe he sended them to control earth from disaster
Do you think Arceus knows it was created by a dude in Japan?
That is a good fucking question. 🤔
I mean Gamefreak exists in the games so I have to say yes to that
I mean yes, he talk to the player for what its seems in legends arceus at the beggining, soo he knowns he is in a game, soo he let us play to save the day
Based on how nearly everybody in the games mentions the controls, but usually people of importance, I have a feeling most Pokémon characters know about the nature of their world to some extent, but, as their world is one of peace, where humans have learned their lesson to a greater extent, they don’t really care that much. The world is real to them, and that’s all that matters.
Just another really awesome GatorEx yet again about PLA and I really like it
Also I wish y'all are having a great day.
This reminds of this one idea is that beta Arceus is the true arceus meanwhile the arceus we see us just a vessal
@GatorEX could you make a video on the pokepark games?
I still need to finish them, but honestly I do really love what I’ve played of the first one. Just a matter of actually doing it and getting my gameplay capture set up finished here in my new place.
mean best possible explanation there is yet how the gen 4 protags avatar are both the ones to be send back in time and first one in gen 4 is js a reminder they write this as they go lmaoooo
I don't think that the beta Arceus or the light Arceus that we see at the start of the game is it's form, it probably is just a bigger fraction of Arceus...Like, eternamax Eternatus can't be bigger than God's truje form
We DO NOT use the word its as a pronoun if there's an apostrophe in it!
What if Arceus was one of us?
Arceus is a hand. Take off his head and you'll see it.
He's just one of many
I love this game
best game in the series bar none, just by the fact you can circle dodge a pokemon attack, trow stun item and proceed to capture using pure reaction and skill without ever sending out your own pkmn
German PLA didn't use an older German, just formal. Seeing EME was a surprise
The whole multiverse thing puts this into question 🤨
it never made sense to me, arceus, girantina, palgia and dalgia should be colosasus, towering over the planets, yet it made zero sense to me how they suposedly made the worlds and space, yet they are like a couple of meters tall, and dont get me started on how we the player can basicaly subjicate this suposed gods in a pokeball
i think we should have lengendary pokemon but i think it should just be one and you can't port it to another trainer it permanently bonded to THAT trainer that caught it.
like once red catch's mewtwo its now only red's and cannot be traded or used outside of npc battles.
or my favorite solution is
you get ONE and no other just like starters. so you are forced to make your pick wisely.
great video!
Arceus that created the game world(Hall of Origin):"Why is everyone disrespecting me? I created that world! 😭"
Original Arceus:"Because you are not that strong in combat, lol."
(Hall of Origin):"Don't lol me, you created me this way. 😭"
Original Arceus: *trollface*
Anime Arceus:"Where is this place, you guys? I tried to return to my own realm, but I must have made a wrong turn."
Manga Arceus:"Huh?"
2:28 I mean, assuming something similar also shows up in the original japanese, it would be? Localizers can still make up a lot of stuff until the day's over.
Maybe the real Arceus is a Stellar type
necrozma is not complete either. ultra is just a its failed attempt at regaining its true power. if all the z-crystals were somehow reattached to him, and enough light were to be injected... maybe, just maybe, the ruler of the multiverse could once again shine upon all realities.
Shinies are true forms of all
So my guess this is all base on pokémon games and not the movies or series of arceus.
Bruh you gotta understand that Mega Rayquaza literally forced singles to invent a new, higher tier for competitive Pokémon because of how absurdly broken it is 😂😂 and then there's Ultra Necrozma, which is canonically unbeatable. It just snowballs the consumption of light until it becomes literally invulnerable.
8:17
hes basically god. and Jesus.. as they are the same..
Arceus is genderless, NOT a he!
What if Arceus is demiurge
But there is no arkhaos
It's Arceus, NOT Arkhaos!
very cool!
We should delete this footage and then mute this
A part of it would imply it's limited. I still wouldn't refer to it as a god in the way the average Pokemon fan does. They tend to treat him like some omnipotent bible level god. When at best, he seems to be similar to the way people think of myhtological deities like Zeus or Odin.
Not really. Removing one aspect from something that has infinite aspects to it both results in you having a part of it while it remains infinite. Now, the question is if "infinity" actually exists or if it is humanity's scientific fanfiction, but the concept still applies.
@@lpfan4491 No, really. You can't remove infinity from infinity. Thus, you cannot take a piece of infinity, and say "it's also infinite". Removing an aspect implies it had something finite to take from. Otherwise, how can you take ifninity from infinity? You can't. It would merely still be attached, and not really be something you can cut off from the source. Even in a Pokeball.
@@KaiserTrigger You are genuinely telling me that "Infinite - 1" is invalid. It is not, it still results in infinite.
@@lpfan4491 You cannot subtract from something that is infinite. It will still be stuck to that infinite source.
The existence of bunrei/divided spirits in Shinto (alongside Vedic traditions that slid over to Japan) makes that something you can't exactly say with confidence. Ritualistically splitting a god can just as much create a new one as it does just let the first shrine exist in two places, so it is entirely possible for "normal" Arceus to range from being "regular" Pokemon in the shape of itself to basically just Arceus multitasking and just... doing less on a second monitor.
Hell, we probably won't ever know what all "actual" Arceus can do since Volo and Giratina were at its doorstep metaphorically flinging bags of shit over its lawn and it just threw some teenager at them... just like how it threw a DIFFERENT guy at Giratina when it was doing its angsty rebel nonsense in the past.
0:12😳
Okay hear me out....but what if Shiny Arceus is the OG Arceus? It's literally a gold shiny. 🤔🤔🤔
arceus isnt the pokemon god, just the creator
That would be a god then lol
Me .. umm i am the real Arceus
Nice
You mean *as God
That's impossible isn't Areceus the Creator of all Pokemon? Plus love the Christian symbolism in Pokemon Legends Arceus.
It's very possible. Watch the video and you'll understand.
Has Arceus ever face a different dimension of Arceus in Pokémon, and I hardly see Arceus vs the different version of Arceus from a different universe. A danger is whatever Arceus do, the Arceus of a different dimension has a move defy Grace which Arceus has a move Creator Grace and why does it not appear in Pokémon Go, the different dimension Arceus that is different in look from Arceus,
We don't end our comments with a comma!
Define God?
This video is making me mute
Mama this is garbage
In what way? I think it's far from garbage.
Arceus is an eldritch deity beyond all comprehension, duh