I totally agree that Cogita and Volo are immortal just by looking into the game, it's just I didn't know how they got it. It's obvious that Cogita wrote the Old Verses (by Old Verse 17), and these things were buried hundred years ago. Also, Cogita did say to the player that you get to keep Enamorus for only a period of time. If you ask back, she will say "You are not immortal, you will die eventually". It's very weird for someone to say that unless this person is actually immortal, meaning this woman knowingly telling you that she will outlive you, and eventually rejoin with Enamorus. This is also why Enamorus is not found in modern days because she's with her immortal pal Cogita. For Volo, it is noticed that Volo has a very special fashion of Japanese text. And that kind of fashion of speaking is rare but seen before. Guess where? That hiker in Sinjoh ruins. Some Japanese fans speculate that this hiker IS actually Volo because he worships Arceus and is with Cynthia in a ruins like this. Why does he look like a hiker? I don't know if it's only me, but I feel like his Ginkgo merchant outfit somehow resembles a hiker's outfit.
Spoilers for Scarlet and Violet! Cynthia would have heard about Volo, because the story of legends Arceus is taught in the classes... Volo would 100% have made it into the history books if somebody as simple as Laventon did (Which he did)
But then what is the nature of Cynthia's relationship with Volo? Does she know about what he's been doing with Giratina? Him and her have almost the same pokémon team too! She is close with this guy! He looks like her ancestor who has survived millenia by being in the distortion world... But if the rest of the Ancient Sinnoh people were wiped out apart from him and Cogita, why does Cynthia resemble them like she's their descendant? And no, I don't think she's also immortal... the way she described the Sinjoh ruins seemed like she had only assumptions about them until she got to see them for herself recently... Maybe there were a few Celestica people who had settled away from where the weapon struck and Cogita didn't know at the time of Legends Arceus that they had survived with some moving back and living in Celestic Town and the line lived on. Heck even Volo thought he was the last of them. But by the time of the HGSS games, he had come to know of Cynthia and her family and that the Celestica line lives on in Sinnoh. He mightve found out when Cynthia became champion and he realised she looked like the Celestica people and was from Celestic Town... Maybe she has met Cogita as well but sides with Volo 😮 she was oddly comfortable in the distortion world too. Also a dominating theory these days is that it was actually the crater in Paldea where the weapon had struck (not Celestica) which still has a lot of crystals as a result... But maybe that theory is incorrect and it was actually ancient Sinnoh that got hit... Then what of the crater in Paldea... Will just have to wait for the DLC (right around the corner)
@@MikeTyson-ft8nqwould she? That event wasn't seen by anyone but the player and volo himself, volo probably wouldn't be talking about his defeat and crimes and we didn't see volo get captured which he would if the player told everyone.
@@Bell_Cat639 Cogita and Volo would get at least an honorable mention if that was the case, as everybody in Jubilife knew the player saved the day with at least Volo, and Volo would get mentioned because he was at the final battle against Palkia/Dialga
While I disagree with some things regarding Volo and Cogita being the sole survivor, I absolutely LOVE the connection with the Ultimate Weapon that you made! It does look like Celestica! The disturbance, at the same time, could also have been the trigger for Eternatus being unleashed. I really wish that we start being able to connect more dots in the future with new Legends games!
I've heard the idea that the ultimate weapon also helped bring about the darkest day. I think the firing of the weapon has so many ramifications for this universe that we don't even know about yet
The lore is so extensive in these games and we only really get to scratch the very surface of it throughout the main stories. It's fun trying to dive deeper into the hints and mysteries that are laid out for us
Cogita isn't too far off whens he says "2 millennia ago." Legends Arceus takes place at most, 500 years ago, and at least 200 years ago. The Great War took place around 3,000 years ago. So giving room for a couple hundred years of error, Legends Arceus takes place around 2000-2500 years after the Great War... Which can be summed up as just over two millennia.
Actually, Legends Arceus takes place at most, 500 years from now, and at least 50 years from now, and we know this because Legends Arceus actually takes place in the post-apocalyptic future, therefore, Legends Arceus actually takes place 3050-3500 years after the Great Kalos War, which can be summed up as just over three millennia, and is definitely a millennium short of the two millennia that she said, because what actually happened two millennia before the events of Legends Arceus, or 1500-1950 years ago, was that the ancient Celestica people arrived in Hisui, which back then, was known as Sinnoh, then the next people that arrived in Hisui, or Sinnoh as it was known back then, came from across the sea, possibly 150 years ago, they were the inhabitants of Hisui, or rather Sinnoh, in the present day, then an apocalypse eventually happened, and the survivors worshiped Dialga and Palkia as the "Almighty Sinnoh", whereas the region they were on, Sinnoh, got renamed to Hisui, which eventually leads to the events of Legends Arceus, 50-500 years from now, where just a few years prior, the possible successor to the Team Galactic criminal group, the Galaxy Expedition Team, which was composed of people coming from Alola and Galar, arrived in Hisui as the latest arrivals.
@@candyneige6609My brother in Christ. What kind of fucking shit are you smoking? It's outright canon word of god that Legends takes place in the past from TPCI The professor in the game is on the smart board in Raifort's class. The entire game's aesthetic screams "Edo Period Japan". The game most likely takes place inbthe 1850s. Arceus even says it called you back in time if memory serves.
@@tristanalain9239 Have you not even noticed about the time travel thing ? Because its involvement changes everything. We know that Rei/Akari is from a different time period, specifically the early 21st century, and this is important because it leads to the final confrontation against Volo and his Giratina, as Rei/Akari battled and eventually defeated them both, preventing the bad future from happening, however, the aftermath of the battle and timeline alteration ultimately determines the final timeline placement of Legends Arceus, because if Legends Arceus really took place in the past, then it would mean that Rei/Akari is from the bad future, and as such, he/she would start to slowly disappear into nothingness after defeating Volo and preventing the bad future from happening because he/she had inadvertently created a grandfather paradox, however, the fact that Rei/Akari doesn't disappear after defeating Volo means that Rei/Akari isn't from the bad future, and therefore Legends Arceus cannot take place in the past, which means that Rei/Akari is instead from the past, meaning that Legends Arceus does indeed take place in the post-apocalyptic future. Also, Poké Balls weren't invented until 1925, which was way after the Edo Period and even after the Meiji Period, in fact, it was near the end of the Taishō Period which ended the following year in 1926.
@@candyneige6609Modern Pokeballs I thought was 1925. These are older Apricorn balls But ya know what? I will happily grant Taisho period. It doesn't ignore what was officially said. As for the main character disappearing? Have you ever heard of becoming your own Grandfather? That's always been my assumption. Player character shacks up with their counterlart of the opposite sex/one of the other people and becomes their own Grandparent/ancestor.
@@tristanalain9239 The way how time travel works in Pokémon makes bootstrap paradoxes, and therefore becoming your own grandfather, impossible. What all this means is that the main/player character cannot be their own grandparent/ancestor, but must instead come from the past, which means that Legends Arceus still cannot take place in the past and must indeed take place in the post-apocalyptic future.
Based on your description of Volo's actions, he wouldn't actually be immortal. He just enters a place where time stands still and exits once the outside world has moved on. But he himself doesn't have the effect of that world. Literally anyone could enter that realm and experience the same effect. Once he leaves the realm, he's back to being a standard mortal. He'd have to go back to utilize the benefits again.
@@CaptainFidgetI still wouldn't count as immortal. As he needs to be immortal in the regular universe. But there is one other character that could be immortal. The looker.
although they are very cool theories (especially that of Cogita), I have to correct you on that of Volo, we know that the 10 Pokemon were affected by Giratina, there is the Zap Plate says both in the English version and especially the Japanese version, not only , the old verse 10 in Japanese makes a very complex writing game which I will try to explain briefly: in a nutshell, "the ineffable" (as called by the poem) is written the same way as Arceus is called in Japanese, only with different characters, so the poem ten points out the moment where Arceus, probably intrigued by the hero who had managed to appease 10 Pokemon angered by Giratina, challenges the hero with his companions and losing two events: Arceus recognizes the value of human beings, an element never before considered by his design and the people of the ancient people of Sinnoh know a God and is in that moment "the ineffable" is no longer a way to define a possible being who has thrown or lightning, but it becomes the Almighty Sinnoh (which should be different in Japanese and somehow relate to the word ineffable). in my opinion Volo is only one who is convinced that he is special because his ancestors (especially the hero) were very special and he is exploited by Giratina for this
10:22 This sounds more like Infinity Energy being shared among people and pokemon, which is what happens in mega evolution & z moves. I'm still convinced that AZ targeted Unova's relic castle because both Kalos' route 10 and the relic castle have too many connections.
In pokemon X and Y we see Xerneas and Yveltal respectively reawaken from their dormant states. There power was drained by the ultimate weapon. So shouldn't they be weaker than they are? If you go into a coma, you're gonna have to go through a lot of stuff the regain proper function. So what if the forms we see in the games are not the true forms of the X and Y legends? Gen 6 loved giving pokemon forms, from the introduction of Mega Evolution to the primal forms of Groudon and Kyogre. Another pokemon with a different form is Floette, with its eternal flower form. Xerneas and Yveltal have next to nothing important about them. So the idea of giving them new forms, based off of some sort of power that they couldn't access before would be appealing to fans. One way they could do this is:(post game)you have to have Zygarde in your party. You learn of a new area in pokemin village through Wulfric, or a new area on the route with the Scary House. You go check it out and there you see Xerneas/ Yveltal in a sort of awakened form. As you interact with it, it vanishes and you follow it to the pokeball factory(Xerneas) or santalune forest(Yveltal). The reason for this could be that they are scared of Zygarde and they tried to hide in areas that they are not in any way associated with. The pokeball factory is very mechanical and not natural. Santalune forest is teeming with life. Any way, you Chase them over the region, following the dialogue of NPCs. After interacting with it 5 times in different locations, you can encounter it and battle it. OR(pre-league) once you awaken it, you don't battle it. Lysandre comes in right before you do. You beat him and his Mega Gyarados. He gets angry, throws his Mega ring to the ground and runs away. Then, the legendary eats the Keystone from the Mega Ring. Then it transforms due to the power of a Keystone.
A well thought out expansion to their use in game. This would have been awesome to see and I wonder what they could have done to expand the lore on these legendaries if we ever had a pokemon Z
But wait, the firing of the ultimate weapon is what brought Mega Stones into existence, if the Hisui region was hit, we would have been able to use Mega Alpha Lopunny or Mega Alpha Gardevoir.
Maybe they hadn't been discovered yet, and even if they had been then they would most likely not know how to use them unlike in present day Kalos. Also I don't wanna go against Volo if he has a mega Garchomp that would be hell.
@@Pastel_Diamond_Studios I'm pretty sure that an Alpha Froslass would have handled a Mega Garchomp. Volo with Mega Garchomp would have been easier than the 2 stage Giratina battle we gotten, also having Lola mega evolve to an Alpha Mega Lopunny would have been awesome.
I like to think maybe that the Celestica people have ths ability to live for hundreds of years. They're not immortal but definitely have a longer lifespans than regular humans, perhaps as a blessing from Arceus like how he blessed the noble Pokemon
New sub here. Just found your channel and loved this theory and the one where you said SV will be based also in Italy. You have great ideas, really good stuff
Honestly I think red has a chance of being immortal because I'm pretty sure they mentioned him being stood at the top of Mount silver for at least a year which surely he would die on a freezing mountain that long I could be mistaken with some of that information though
I'm not sure that makes him immortal. He did have a Charizard to help warm him up and I'm pretty sure surviving the freezing temperatures was just part of the intense training
Let's remember that in Masters EX is revealed that Lysandre survived the blast, what we don't know is: did he became inmortal? Or that how is still alive after the blast?
Correction about old verse 9, it’s about a ritual around what the celestica people would do when Pokémon died, so it’s more likely about partner Pokémon cogita once had that she outlived rather than a war
OK, so looking into it, that Sinnoh story is the equivelant to 'use every part of the buffalo' It is possible that this verse is referencing that story, or more accurately that story is referencing this verse. What I will say though is that if it refers to eating fish from the river then it emphasises how many she has had, symbolising just how long she has been repeating this ritual and how much longer she expects to still be doing it.
Excellent video. Instant subscribe. I really love the structure, production quality, and pacing of the video and I'm excited to delve deeper into your channel. Pokemon lore is my bread-n-butter and it looks like you've covered a lot of it! :D EDIT: I wrote that comment about 5 minutes into the video and I had no idea what I was in store for. Incredible. I've played all these games and I'm a huge nerd when it comes to Pokemon trivia and stuff but I never made those connections. This is so cool. And tragic. And interesting. Thank you!
given the fact that the next legends game is confirmed to be set in Kalos, its starting to look like this theory might be true. very telling that very next entry in this sub series goes from sinnoh to kalos.
The issue with Volo opening the distortion world the first time, is that i feel like Cogita would remember Volo, or at least an account of Volo the ancient hero would have given her, and yet she seems to seem to be very friendly with Volo during legends arceus.
If the machine turns pokemon into stone doesn't that mean that X and Y happened before the events of Kanto because of all the Statue of all those Rhode
A thought adding to this theory: How is it that Cyndaquil, Oshawott, and Rowlet have different final forms in Hisui despite hailed from different regions? Maybe radiation from the weapon blast wiping out Cogita's homeland?
7:57 We know that fhere are other survivors, including family of the frosslass quest man and even the mochi guy and galaxy leader. We also were told that it was attacked by pokemon, not a weapon. On top of all of that, we have the basic timelines. They would'nt match the weapons use. Not even mentioning the lore for games and show are seperate
If Volo and Cogita are immortal and their both the ancestors of Cynthia there could be a chance she could meet them. now that's an interesting thought (doubt it'll happen but interesting none the less)
I have been watching Poketheories for a few years now, since I started playing on Kanto days, and I dare say this is the best theory out there, Thank you for this video!
Holy shit. I really love Pokémon lore but I missed out on so many games and am to busy with my family to put time into digging into it. Thank you for making these videos! I love them!
AZ is such an underrated character he needs to make a return to the games,Hoping if Pokemon Legends becomes a Sub Series in Pokemon Legends Zygarde we get to learn more about him and his evil brother.
What if Cogita never became immortal, but that she's instead a time traveler, one way or another, that could explain why she apparently survived, not one, but two apocalypses, the second one being of course the apocalypse that happened sometime between the events of Scarlet & Violet and those of Legends Arceus, because Legends Arceus actually takes place in the post-apocalyptic future, a few centuries after the events of Scarlet & Violet, well either that, or she's neither of them, and that she was simply interested in the history of pre-apocalyptic Hisui, formerly known as Sinnoh, and that she wanted to preserve that pre-apocalyptic history as much as possible, but either way, Legends Arceus takes place in the post-apocalyptic future.
Cogita being immortal (or, at least, having a magically extended lifespan) makes sense with her combination of young facial features and white hair. I still think Volo is a time traveler, though-like, he time traveled to the Legends: Arceus time period from the VERY distant past.
AZ, Cogita and Volo are perhaps not immortal but just have a extended life. Also the real question is what makes you an immortal, the ability not to die even if things vital to a mortals survival like organs are taken or destroyed but you still live because of being imortal. Or is being immortal just that your flesh shall not rot away in the passing of time. It all comes down to what you consider an immortal.
Interesting theory but I don’t think Legends Arceus is even part of the Mega timeline. It’s basically confirmed the protag of the game is the one form DPPt, and we have no DPPt game in the mega timeline. So legends Arceus would be part of the non mega timeline, where like Zinnia stated, there was never a war and the super weapon was never fired. AZ died naturally, and mega evolution was never discovered.
Woah! This gave me shivers! I love creepy or strange Pokémon theories! People who think that Pokémon is a "childish kids-game" should watch this, and play Legends: Arceus. Great job! This was truly mindblowing!
So, if Cogita and Volo were the only ones who survived from Celestica people, and since Cogita is already old, where did Cynthia came from? Is Volo her closest ancestor than Cogita?
Aside from the grey hair, I can't really tell that Cogita's ageing. Heck, I assumed the grey hair was just her natural hair colour like Karen's. No wonder Cynthia's so hot! She had an ancestor who lived for hundreds of years and still managed to look gorgeous!
Your theory defintitly sounds about right but in another thing about the old verses from LAcould be that the ancient Sinnoh people probably just scattered across the pokeearth to start there own settlements. Then again the anceint sinnoh people probably already scattered and settled across the globe before az fired the ultimate weapon and the remaining ancient people of sinnoh aka Celestica probably was hit.
I think you should update this video with information you know from Scarlett and violet and I actually think she was given eternal life by himself. Arceus.
i think Ash Ketchum is one of them cuz when he starded on his journey and he saw Ho-Oh and Ho-Oh is known for making wishes into reality and Ash wished his journey would never end and ho-oh made that into reality because he has died and come back to life several times and he always stayed young and his knowledge of the other type and there weaknesses confuses all the types cause he's still a kid that's why i think Ho-Oh cursed Ash with immortality and ash still think it's good but i guess Ash hasn't figured it out yet. and i think the same of what you said, nice research :)
I totally agree that Cogita and Volo are immortal just by looking into the game, it's just I didn't know how they got it.
It's obvious that Cogita wrote the Old Verses (by Old Verse 17), and these things were buried hundred years ago.
Also, Cogita did say to the player that you get to keep Enamorus for only a period of time. If you ask back, she will say "You are not immortal, you will die eventually".
It's very weird for someone to say that unless this person is actually immortal, meaning this woman knowingly telling you that she will outlive you, and eventually rejoin with Enamorus. This is also why Enamorus is not found in modern days because she's with her immortal pal Cogita.
For Volo, it is noticed that Volo has a very special fashion of Japanese text. And that kind of fashion of speaking is rare but seen before. Guess where?
That hiker in Sinjoh ruins. Some Japanese fans speculate that this hiker IS actually Volo because he worships Arceus and is with Cynthia in a ruins like this.
Why does he look like a hiker? I don't know if it's only me, but I feel like his Ginkgo merchant outfit somehow resembles a hiker's outfit.
Spoilers for Scarlet and Violet!
Cynthia would have heard about Volo, because the story of legends Arceus is taught in the classes... Volo would 100% have made it into the history books if somebody as simple as Laventon did (Which he did)
THIS right here is my favorite theory by far.
But then what is the nature of Cynthia's relationship with Volo? Does she know about what he's been doing with Giratina? Him and her have almost the same pokémon team too! She is close with this guy!
He looks like her ancestor who has survived millenia by being in the distortion world... But if the rest of the Ancient Sinnoh people were wiped out apart from him and Cogita, why does Cynthia resemble them like she's their descendant? And no, I don't think she's also immortal... the way she described the Sinjoh ruins seemed like she had only assumptions about them until she got to see them for herself recently... Maybe there were a few Celestica people who had settled away from where the weapon struck and Cogita didn't know at the time of Legends Arceus that they had survived with some moving back and living in Celestic Town and the line lived on. Heck even Volo thought he was the last of them. But by the time of the HGSS games, he had come to know of Cynthia and her family and that the Celestica line lives on in Sinnoh. He mightve found out when Cynthia became champion and he realised she looked like the Celestica people and was from Celestic Town...
Maybe she has met Cogita as well but sides with Volo 😮 she was oddly comfortable in the distortion world too.
Also a dominating theory these days is that it was actually the crater in Paldea where the weapon had struck (not Celestica) which still has a lot of crystals as a result... But maybe that theory is incorrect and it was actually ancient Sinnoh that got hit... Then what of the crater in Paldea... Will just have to wait for the DLC (right around the corner)
@@MikeTyson-ft8nqwould she? That event wasn't seen by anyone but the player and volo himself, volo probably wouldn't be talking about his defeat and crimes and we didn't see volo get captured which he would if the player told everyone.
@@Bell_Cat639 Cogita and Volo would get at least an honorable mention if that was the case, as everybody in Jubilife knew the player saved the day with at least Volo, and Volo would get mentioned because he was at the final battle against Palkia/Dialga
MORE, I need MORE. didn’t think I’d be sitting here crying at Pokémon lord at 6 in the morning but here I am. Thanks for that
At least I now know its not just me who cried
While I disagree with some things regarding Volo and Cogita being the sole survivor, I absolutely LOVE the connection with the Ultimate Weapon that you made! It does look like Celestica! The disturbance, at the same time, could also have been the trigger for Eternatus being unleashed. I really wish that we start being able to connect more dots in the future with new Legends games!
I've heard the idea that the ultimate weapon also helped bring about the darkest day. I think the firing of the weapon has so many ramifications for this universe that we don't even know about yet
@@CaptainFidget all roads lead the ultimate weapon
Even the time machine is similar to it
Or the cause of complete Kyrem falling from space.
This was good fun 😃 it's nice getting a little paddle in some of the lore of Pokémon as someone who hasn't played the games.
The lore is so extensive in these games and we only really get to scratch the very surface of it throughout the main stories. It's fun trying to dive deeper into the hints and mysteries that are laid out for us
I really hope Volo returns in Legends Z-A and will become a recurring villain throughout the Legends series
Well, Volo is _not_ immortal then, but he exploited time to live as long as he needed
Basically yes. But he could do that for as long as he wanted so has the choice of immortality
Ah yes, the secret to Volo’s immortality, *Disassociation*
Cogita isn't too far off whens he says "2 millennia ago."
Legends Arceus takes place at most, 500 years ago, and at least 200 years ago. The Great War took place around 3,000 years ago. So giving room for a couple hundred years of error, Legends Arceus takes place around 2000-2500 years after the Great War... Which can be summed up as just over two millennia.
Actually, Legends Arceus takes place at most, 500 years from now, and at least 50 years from now, and we know this because Legends Arceus actually takes place in the post-apocalyptic future, therefore, Legends Arceus actually takes place 3050-3500 years after the Great Kalos War, which can be summed up as just over three millennia, and is definitely a millennium short of the two millennia that she said, because what actually happened two millennia before the events of Legends Arceus, or 1500-1950 years ago, was that the ancient Celestica people arrived in Hisui, which back then, was known as Sinnoh, then the next people that arrived in Hisui, or Sinnoh as it was known back then, came from across the sea, possibly 150 years ago, they were the inhabitants of Hisui, or rather Sinnoh, in the present day, then an apocalypse eventually happened, and the survivors worshiped Dialga and Palkia as the "Almighty Sinnoh", whereas the region they were on, Sinnoh, got renamed to Hisui, which eventually leads to the events of Legends Arceus, 50-500 years from now, where just a few years prior, the possible successor to the Team Galactic criminal group, the Galaxy Expedition Team, which was composed of people coming from Alola and Galar, arrived in Hisui as the latest arrivals.
@@candyneige6609My brother in Christ.
What kind of fucking shit are you smoking?
It's outright canon word of god that Legends takes place in the past from TPCI
The professor in the game is on the smart board in Raifort's class.
The entire game's aesthetic screams "Edo Period Japan". The game most likely takes place inbthe 1850s.
Arceus even says it called you back in time if memory serves.
@@tristanalain9239 Have you not even noticed about the time travel thing ? Because its involvement changes everything.
We know that Rei/Akari is from a different time period, specifically the early 21st century, and this is important because it leads to the final confrontation against Volo and his Giratina, as Rei/Akari battled and eventually defeated them both, preventing the bad future from happening, however, the aftermath of the battle and timeline alteration ultimately determines the final timeline placement of Legends Arceus, because if Legends Arceus really took place in the past, then it would mean that Rei/Akari is from the bad future, and as such, he/she would start to slowly disappear into nothingness after defeating Volo and preventing the bad future from happening because he/she had inadvertently created a grandfather paradox, however, the fact that Rei/Akari doesn't disappear after defeating Volo means that Rei/Akari isn't from the bad future, and therefore Legends Arceus cannot take place in the past, which means that Rei/Akari is instead from the past, meaning that Legends Arceus does indeed take place in the post-apocalyptic future.
Also, Poké Balls weren't invented until 1925, which was way after the Edo Period and even after the Meiji Period, in fact, it was near the end of the Taishō Period which ended the following year in 1926.
@@candyneige6609Modern Pokeballs I thought was 1925. These are older Apricorn balls
But ya know what? I will happily grant Taisho period. It doesn't ignore what was officially said.
As for the main character disappearing?
Have you ever heard of becoming your own Grandfather?
That's always been my assumption.
Player character shacks up with their counterlart of the opposite sex/one of the other people and becomes their own Grandparent/ancestor.
@@tristanalain9239 The way how time travel works in Pokémon makes bootstrap paradoxes, and therefore becoming your own grandfather, impossible.
What all this means is that the main/player character cannot be their own grandparent/ancestor, but must instead come from the past, which means that Legends Arceus still cannot take place in the past and must indeed take place in the post-apocalyptic future.
Based on your description of Volo's actions, he wouldn't actually be immortal. He just enters a place where time stands still and exits once the outside world has moved on. But he himself doesn't have the effect of that world. Literally anyone could enter that realm and experience the same effect. Once he leaves the realm, he's back to being a standard mortal. He'd have to go back to utilize the benefits again.
Correct. But, because he has access to that world seemingly of his own accord then he can use it to extend his life as long as he wanted
@@CaptainFidgetI still wouldn't count as immortal. As he needs to be immortal in the regular universe. But there is one other character that could be immortal. The looker.
although they are very cool theories (especially that of Cogita), I have to correct you on that of Volo, we know that the 10 Pokemon were affected by Giratina, there is the Zap Plate says both in the English version and especially the Japanese version, not only , the old verse 10 in Japanese makes a very complex writing game which I will try to explain briefly: in a nutshell, "the ineffable" (as called by the poem) is written the same way as Arceus is called in Japanese, only with different characters, so the poem ten points out the moment where Arceus, probably intrigued by the hero who had managed to appease 10 Pokemon angered by Giratina, challenges the hero with his companions and losing two events: Arceus recognizes the value of human beings, an element never before considered by his design and the people of the ancient people of Sinnoh know a God and is in that moment "the ineffable" is no longer a way to define a possible being who has thrown or lightning, but it becomes the Almighty Sinnoh (which should be different in Japanese and somehow relate to the word ineffable). in my opinion Volo is only one who is convinced that he is special because his ancestors (especially the hero) were very special and he is exploited by Giratina for this
Absolutely loved this theory and it matches closely to the theory I had myself
Thanks. It started with the idea that Cogita and Volo were immortal and then I worked backwards from there
@@CaptainFidget I thought they were originally as well! Hope to see more ideas like this going forward!
10:22 This sounds more like Infinity Energy being shared among people and pokemon, which is what happens in mega evolution & z moves. I'm still convinced that AZ targeted Unova's relic castle because both Kalos' route 10 and the relic castle have too many connections.
I wish we got more love for Cogita, I rarely see anyone talk about her and Enamorus!
In pokemon X and Y we see Xerneas and Yveltal respectively reawaken from their dormant states. There power was drained by the ultimate weapon. So shouldn't they be weaker than they are? If you go into a coma, you're gonna have to go through a lot of stuff the regain proper function. So what if the forms we see in the games are not the true forms of the X and Y legends? Gen 6 loved giving pokemon forms, from the introduction of Mega Evolution to the primal forms of Groudon and Kyogre. Another pokemon with a different form is Floette, with its eternal flower form. Xerneas and Yveltal have next to nothing important about them. So the idea of giving them new forms, based off of some sort of power that they couldn't access before would be appealing to fans.
One way they could do this is:(post game)you have to have Zygarde in your party. You learn of a new area in pokemin village through Wulfric, or a new area on the route with the Scary House. You go check it out and there you see Xerneas/ Yveltal in a sort of awakened form. As you interact with it, it vanishes and you follow it to the pokeball factory(Xerneas) or santalune forest(Yveltal). The reason for this could be that they are scared of Zygarde and they tried to hide in areas that they are not in any way associated with. The pokeball factory is very mechanical and not natural. Santalune forest is teeming with life. Any way, you Chase them over the region, following the dialogue of NPCs. After interacting with it 5 times in different locations, you can encounter it and battle it.
OR(pre-league) once you awaken it, you don't battle it. Lysandre comes in right before you do. You beat him and his Mega Gyarados. He gets angry, throws his Mega ring to the ground and runs away. Then, the legendary eats the Keystone from the Mega Ring. Then it transforms due to the power of a Keystone.
A well thought out expansion to their use in game. This would have been awesome to see and I wonder what they could have done to expand the lore on these legendaries if we ever had a pokemon Z
Well, we might get to see new forms for the 2 in this coming up year
But wait, the firing of the ultimate weapon is what brought Mega Stones into existence, if the Hisui region was hit, we would have been able to use Mega Alpha Lopunny or Mega Alpha Gardevoir.
Maybe they hadn't been discovered yet, and even if they had been then they would most likely not know how to use them unlike in present day Kalos.
Also I don't wanna go against Volo if he has a mega Garchomp that would be hell.
@@Pastel_Diamond_Studios I'm pretty sure that an Alpha Froslass would have handled a Mega Garchomp. Volo with Mega Garchomp would have been easier than the 2 stage Giratina battle we gotten, also having Lola mega evolve to an Alpha Mega Lopunny would have been awesome.
@@coolguy5133 Oh yeah I forgot that mega Garchomp sucks lol
Megastone and Mega Evolution belong to a different timeline, this is explained in ORAS.
Long story short: mega stone are not canon
I like to think maybe that the Celestica people have ths ability to live for hundreds of years. They're not immortal but definitely have a longer lifespans than regular humans, perhaps as a blessing from Arceus like how he blessed the noble Pokemon
It's certainly possible. I'm just not sure where the rest of the celestica people are. We see their descendants in Cynthia but that's kind of it
New sub here. Just found your channel and loved this theory and the one where you said SV will be based also in Italy. You have great ideas, really good stuff
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Honestly I think red has a chance of being immortal because I'm pretty sure they mentioned him being stood at the top of Mount silver for at least a year which surely he would die on a freezing mountain that long I could be mistaken with some of that information though
I'm not sure that makes him immortal. He did have a Charizard to help warm him up and I'm pretty sure surviving the freezing temperatures was just part of the intense training
@@CaptainFidget that's true
Maybe blue brought him food occasionally
Let's remember that in Masters EX is revealed that Lysandre survived the blast, what we don't know is: did he became inmortal? Or that how is still alive after the blast?
That lysandre could be either from XY or USUM. Although there is no proof that he's dead in XY, it's implied that he's gone.
Correction about old verse 9, it’s about a ritual around what the celestica people would do when Pokémon died, so it’s more likely about partner Pokémon cogita once had that she outlived rather than a war
I've not heard that before. Where did you find that information?
OK, so looking into it, that Sinnoh story is the equivelant to 'use every part of the buffalo'
It is possible that this verse is referencing that story, or more accurately that story is referencing this verse. What I will say though is that if it refers to eating fish from the river then it emphasises how many she has had, symbolising just how long she has been repeating this ritual and how much longer she expects to still be doing it.
@@CaptainFidget yes you put it into words !! I’ll admit I’m not very good at explaining things usually, and I really like your analysis
Excellent video. Instant subscribe. I really love the structure, production quality, and pacing of the video and I'm excited to delve deeper into your channel. Pokemon lore is my bread-n-butter and it looks like you've covered a lot of it! :D
EDIT: I wrote that comment about 5 minutes into the video and I had no idea what I was in store for. Incredible. I've played all these games and I'm a huge nerd when it comes to Pokemon trivia and stuff but I never made those connections. This is so cool. And tragic. And interesting. Thank you!
given the fact that the next legends game is confirmed to be set in Kalos, its starting to look like this theory might be true. very telling that very next entry in this sub series goes from sinnoh to kalos.
Very well put together
Thank you, that means a lot
she certainly acts immortal from the way she said she was willing to wait for us to expire of old age to get Enamorous back.
I don’t think they are immortal so much as they can’t die from old age. It’s more like eternal youth, they age, but don’t feel the effects of aging.
That's immorality. You can be affected by the world or yourself but you can't die.
The issue with Volo opening the distortion world the first time, is that i feel like Cogita would remember Volo, or at least an account of Volo the ancient hero would have given her, and yet she seems to seem to be very friendly with Volo during legends arceus.
Just because she's immortal does not mean she can''t forget things-
When you don't see people for a while, you forget things about them.
If the machine turns pokemon into stone doesn't that mean that X and Y happened before the events of Kanto because of all the Statue of all those Rhode
A thought adding to this theory: How is it that Cyndaquil, Oshawott, and Rowlet have different final forms in Hisui despite hailed from different regions? Maybe radiation from the weapon blast wiping out Cogita's homeland?
There probably more immortal peeps out there in pokemon lore, Xerneas can share Everlasting at anytime when it's alive not just at it's cycle of life.
Old verses go hard as fuck holy shit
And now thanks to the new Scarlett and Violet trailer this might not make sense anymore, but cool theory
How so?
Theres a big crater in the map of Paldea(think I spelt the wrong) that could of been where the ultimate weapon hit
Could have been, but there's nothing conclusive yet
7:57 We know that fhere are other survivors, including family of the frosslass quest man and even the mochi guy and galaxy leader. We also were told that it was attacked by pokemon, not a weapon. On top of all of that, we have the basic timelines. They would'nt match the weapons use. Not even mentioning the lore for games and show are seperate
If Volo and Cogita are immortal and their both the ancestors of Cynthia there could be a chance she could meet them. now that's an interesting thought (doubt it'll happen but interesting none the less)
I have been watching Poketheories for a few years now, since I started playing on Kanto days, and I dare say this is the best theory out there, Thank you for this video!
Very good video, you gained another suscriber! Keep coming the theories videos!
Holy shit.
I really love Pokémon lore but I missed out on so many games and am to busy with my family to put time into digging into it. Thank you for making these videos! I love them!
There's another theory that he's a time traveler and used the area zero time machine.
AZ is such an underrated character he needs to make a return to the games,Hoping if Pokemon Legends becomes a Sub Series in Pokemon Legends Zygarde we get to learn more about him and his evil brother.
I'd love a game where you played in ancient Kalos and didn't realise until the very end of the game you had been serving AZ's brother the whole time
@@CaptainFidget WHAT AZ HES A BROTHER AND YOU HAVE BEEN SURVING HIM THE HOLE TIME !?!? now i know i need to watch more pokemon Thx have a nice day bye
@@matousiera2941 His brother is said to have wanted the thrown for himself and is the one who buried the ultimate weapon underground
Well this might be aging spectacularly well
The legendary trio of humanity
What if Cogita never became immortal, but that she's instead a time traveler, one way or another, that could explain why she apparently survived, not one, but two apocalypses, the second one being of course the apocalypse that happened sometime between the events of Scarlet & Violet and those of Legends Arceus, because Legends Arceus actually takes place in the post-apocalyptic future, a few centuries after the events of Scarlet & Violet, well either that, or she's neither of them, and that she was simply interested in the history of pre-apocalyptic Hisui, formerly known as Sinnoh, and that she wanted to preserve that pre-apocalyptic history as much as possible, but either way, Legends Arceus takes place in the post-apocalyptic future.
Now Cogita is my favorite character, her story broke my heart. :(
Cogita being immortal (or, at least, having a magically extended lifespan) makes sense with her combination of young facial features and white hair. I still think Volo is a time traveler, though-like, he time traveled to the Legends: Arceus time period from the VERY distant past.
AZ, Cogita and Volo are perhaps not immortal but just have a extended life. Also the real question is what makes you an immortal, the ability not to die even if things vital to a mortals survival like organs are taken or destroyed but you still live because of being imortal. Or is being immortal just that your flesh shall not rot away in the passing of time. It all comes down to what you consider an immortal.
What an interesting interpretation of it all. I never thought about it like that before great job and a unique perspective
Now that's underrated.
How this only have 900 views bruh this video is so good
12:55 Jeez, GameFreak beat me to the punch again.
Interesting theory but I don’t think Legends Arceus is even part of the Mega timeline. It’s basically confirmed the protag of the game is the one form DPPt, and we have no DPPt game in the mega timeline.
So legends Arceus would be part of the non mega timeline, where like Zinnia stated, there was never a war and the super weapon was never fired. AZ died naturally, and mega evolution was never discovered.
Pokemon lore vids are awesome. I agree with Mod we need more of this!
Woah! This gave me shivers! I love creepy or strange Pokémon theories! People who think that Pokémon is a "childish kids-game" should watch this, and play Legends: Arceus. Great job! This was truly mindblowing!
Love these new videos bro. Keep doing them.
Cheers man, they're a lot of work to do but I'm really happy with them
So we need Pokemon Legends Zygarde. And the question is?. What Happened to Hisuian Pokemon in the event of Diamond And Pearl??? I'm so confuse 😢😢
So, if Cogita and Volo were the only ones who survived from Celestica people, and since Cogita is already old, where did Cynthia came from? Is Volo her closest ancestor than Cogita?
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Wait wouldn't that mean Cyrus is effectively immortal as well sense he stayed in the distortion world?
Aside from the grey hair, I can't really tell that Cogita's ageing. Heck, I assumed the grey hair was just her natural hair colour like Karen's. No wonder Cynthia's so hot! She had an ancestor who lived for hundreds of years and still managed to look gorgeous!
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Your theory defintitly sounds about right but in another thing about the old verses from LAcould be that the ancient Sinnoh people probably just scattered across the pokeearth to start there own settlements.
Then again the anceint sinnoh people probably already scattered and settled across the globe before az fired the ultimate weapon and the remaining ancient people of sinnoh aka Celestica probably was hit.
Cogita and Cynthia are the same person, change my mind
Well now it is belived that it is Paldea that Kalos whas at war with, thanks to the big hole in the middle of the reagion.
Who read the old verses? Nice voice over
No if cogita and volo was immortal then where are they and, why don’t we see them in the other games, which are based in the future
Would that mean that Arceus is in the mega timeline or am I misunderstanding something?
I think you should update this video with information you know from Scarlett and violet and I actually think she was given eternal life by himself. Arceus.
i think Ash Ketchum is one of them cuz when he starded on his journey and he saw Ho-Oh and Ho-Oh is known for making wishes into reality and Ash wished his journey would never end and ho-oh made that into reality because he has died and come back to life several times and he always stayed young and his knowledge of the other type
and there weaknesses confuses all the types cause he's still a kid that's why i think Ho-Oh cursed Ash with immortality and ash still think it's good but i guess Ash hasn't figured it out yet. and i think the same of what you said, nice
research :)
i didn't do any reasure this is all of my knowledge about Ash Ketchum if i missed a thing or a thing to much and you think it isen'd true just tel me😃
Pokemon lore vids are awesome. I agree with Mod we need more of this!