One correction I think is that it says in game that Sada and Turo died from the aggressive Miraidon or Koraidon in effort to protect the passive one, not a mysterious unknown Pokémon or the third legendary
No, it's only implied. Certainly the passive Koraidon/Miraidon was in danger here, but the Pokemon putting it in danger is never actually revealed to us.
@raymiemiller1455 ? The professor is literally told to us by the AI to have been killed by the aggressive version of the box legendary while trying to protect the one we get. They were killed by Koraidon/Miraidon while trying to protect the passive version. There's no "implication" we are straight up told that that's what happened.
@@BirdKeeperToby Bro when you look at the SYMBOL on GEETA glove and ELITE 4 members it has the DIAMOND symbol on it just like the strange METAL TABLET in AREA ZERO.🤯
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Sada/Turo didn't leave to raise young Arven. They just straight up abandoned their family. The remaining parent basically let Arven raise himself while they did their research.
Yeah I don't know how they missed that as pokemon theorists, it's literally Arven's whole thing. It was just him and his dog growing up because one parent bolted after the birth and the other was too busy working
Idk how to reply to multiple people at once. So the book in th slab ststes That man/woman walked out shortl after the boy was born. And then goes on to talk about how Sada/ Turo can continue thier work. My understanding of this is that the oppeosite parent walked out with Arven and for a short while giving time for the AI Sada or Turo to be made. This would have been while Arvens still sn infant so he’s not going to be strongly remembering the other parent Of course soemtime between him here and him being 4-6 years old the other parent has also mysteriously disappeared and is absent from the game aside from that mention
@@BirdKeeperToby Arven didn't raise himself from literal infancy, but the way that the parent is described as walking out definitely makes it clear they abandoned the family. Arven says he lived with his version-appropriate parent and version-appropriate lizard before the neighbor incident that caused his parent and the lizard to leave for Area Zero, so it seems the other parent abandoned them and the prof built the AI before leaving to the surface with the lizard to live alongside his kid. Maybe someone else like Clavell or a family member raised baby arven while his parent built the AI, and then Arven and Maschiff took care of themselves when the prof and the lizard returned to Area Zero following the neighbor incident. Considering we see little kid trainers traveling the world,and the player is often around the age of 10, I don't think it would be uncharacteristic for the adults in this world to let 5-6 yo's fend for themselves provided they have a Pokémon, and we see students of all ages at the Academy, meaning Arven too might have enrolled at an early age.
There's a few corrections i have to make: 1st Sada and Turo never raised Arven together, one of them abandons soon after Arven is born, making Arven only know the same parent we met in the game, there's a book in one of the outposts that says that. Arven left his Parent to go to school alone just a couple of years ago. 2nd Arven didn't know about the AI Professor nor the Second Koraidon or Miraidon, those events started after Arven had left his Parent to go to school, so it's a much more recent event, maybe 2 or 3 years ago in the game. 3rd the death of the Professor doesn't seem to be related to the "3rd Legendary", that pokemon seems to be too big to fit in the destroyed outpost. however, their death was probably the most recent event, most likely at the start of the game, it was most likely the Second Koraidon/Miraidon that killed them when they were trying to protect the first one from their territorial dispute, making the first Koraidon/Miraidon run away as we see at the start of the game. 4th in relation of the fusion Pokemon of the Beast Trio, it is most possible that it existed hundreds of years ago, the events of the Brass Tower wasn't their creation, Ho-oh didn't create them, it just resurrected them, 3 mysterious Pokemon died in the Brass Tower, for all we know, they were Suicune, Entei and Raikou, people just assume that they were turned into the Beasts cuz of the mentioned the 3 mysterious Pokemon but for all we know there was no transformation, the mysterious Pokemon were just Suicune Entei and Raikou otherwise people would have recognise them, but since the Trio is a rare sight, people wouldn't know them. but back to their creation, numerous Entei Pokedex Entries says that it is born whenever a Volcano erupts, no Ho-oh needed, Groudon maybe. Also, it was just one Tower that burned down, Lugia's Brass Tower, the Bell Tower that belongs to Ho-oh remained intact. Bonus Fact: in one of the Outposts, there's a book like the one that says one of the Parents abandoned the other as soon as Arven was born as well as others that tell about the Professor's life in the Area Zero, however, this one is very strange, it says that the Professor wishes to go to the Past/Future to create a perfect paradise for the three of them to live, we know that one of them is the Professor but not the other two, are they the 2 Miraidons/Koraidons? are they the AI and the Koraidon/Miraidon? are they Arven and Koraidon/Miraidon? i would like to think that it is Arven and his Parents together as a Family.
I was under the impression that we're supposed to infer that the second Koraidon/Miraidon is the one that killed the Professor, since the AI says that our Koraidon/Miraidon lost to the other in a territory dispute, which would suggest that they had been at odds for some time.
Honestly I thought they said it outright, Mandela effect. The crystals probably grew in the lab after it was damaged in the fight, also it most likely happened on the day that you set out on your adventure.
I thought that at first too but they never mention that the other Koraidon/Miraidon killed the professor. They also didn't mention that the professor died in that territory dispute, just that our koraidon/miraidon fled the crater after it lost the dispute. I could easily be wrong but why I don't think the other koraidon/miraidon killed the professor, is that the game starts following our box legendary flying out of the crater. That's when we can assume it lost the dispute, but that would mean the professor died at the beginning of the game. However, from the other pieces of information we recieve, I think we can assume that the real professor has been dead for a while. The damage from research station four doesn't seem recent either. It also just seems weird to not have the AI just outright state that the other koraidon/miraidon was why the professor died instead of phrasing it vaguely. Along with not having them say the professor recently passed away as that's also super easy to state.
@Caped Baldy the mentioned that there was a territory dispute and that the professor died during an event that destroyed the research station, but it didn't state that these were the same events for certain. There are also crystals growing and broken in research station no. 4, which ARE without a doubt explicitly stated to be the creation of the third legendary.
@@swagblu4727 you're absolutely correct. The box art legendary flies out of the crater at the beginning, implying the territorial dispute happened at the beginning of the game. Further, Arven makes it seem like he hasn't seen his parent in quite a long time, which we figure out is because the AI can't leave the lab, in other words implying the AI has existed without the real professor for a long time. I think your analysis is spot on and a lot of people are making the exact inference the developers want them to create so they can be surprised when the DLC comes out.
my small theory is that heath went into the crater with 6 pokemon and his cyclizar and because he had that weird dream with the writing, his pokemon became the paradox pokemon. that is why there are only 6 of them for each version.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Heath has a Cyclizar. The Legendaries are Paradox Forms of Cyclizar, after all, so it makes me think if one of the two Cyclizar's used to be Heath's. If this is the case, I'd say that the most likely candidate is the Koraidon/Miraidon that we find, mainly due to how it mostly stays in its ride form.
people have already talked in the comments about the fact that The other professer did not raise Arven at all, but instead just left entirely, but I would also like to point out that during the elevator scene, the AI Professer states that the only reason they exist at all is because of the tera crystals, and that they cannot leave the crater. So no, the de-aged characters are not AI. They're probably not even canon.
i think the art teacher is part of the draconids, because obvs he uses dragon types, but he also has a very weird family history if you interact with him outside of class.
@@sunnyisabunny1479 it’s possible that all these dragon clans are branches of draconids, but I don’t think there’s enough evidence to say it would go either way.
@@MagusAgrippa8 Drake of Hoenn, Iris and Drayden of Unova, Drasna of Kalos seem to have a lot of understanding of Dragon pokemon that goes further than what we know about them
@@kurtisconn4710 Drake doesn’t seem specifically connected to dragons in my eyes. He seems more like a ship captain that happens to train dragons, you know? He’s different from the likes of Drayden and Iris (who apparently have ties to a dragon village if we go by anime lore) or Drasna (who very clearly is a member of a dragon clan just based on look alone).
We are told what happened in Research Station 4. AI Sada/Turo tells you that the more feral Miraidon/Koraidon attacked the one you've been travelling with, and the biological Sada/Turo stepped in front of the attack to prevent the two from hurting each other, causing your companion pokemon to flee Area Zero.
This is amazing Bird Keeper Toby! For the 30th anniversary in 2026 I would like to see the Pokémon Company and Nintendo to release a Pokémon Historia book that is similar to the Hyrule Historia book that covers the complete timeline of the Pokémon games and how many years the events of the Pokémon games take place between each other all the way to Gen 10.
this is a fantastic theory i would love to see Turo in Scarlet and Sada in Violet reunite with Arven in the DLC that would be incredible, and all because of their respective spouse's sacrifice in the main game at area zero - it's like an infinity war/endgame story arc.
When you mentioned the idea that the people in the world tournament could be ai because they have the technology can't be true. The only reason why the ai exists is because of the tera crystals in area zero. The ai sada or turo explain that the only work because of that and they can't leave area zero for the same purpose.
Do a theory on the 3 giant footprints of the region, maybe more but I noticed 3. They're from like a tri-pronged foot, Glaseado's grasp, Gracia stones and in the mining area near the worm titan. My theory is that they're from the disk pokemon.
The dragon clan are barly talked about but they are there. Hurst is the leader of them. When you become close to home it's something you talk about. He's unsure weather to keep teaching art or going back to the clan to lead them
nice theory but there is one point. I play violet in german and these notes in area zero say, that arvens mother left as soon, as the baby was born. So in violet he never met his mother. I mean in violet we also never hear anything about his mother.
12:12 Wait a minute... Given that you just said that Arven was born 16 years ago BEFORE Scarlet and Violet (which you may recall was that 16 years ago was the time of Black and White), and that you said that Scarlet and Violet take place canonically in the year of 2022 in the Pokemon world, would that mean he was born around 2006?
I'm really not sure how either professors would be able to go through the time machine when the game explained that humans can't go through it, that's why they send masterballs to catch them
Finally finished the game and was able to catch up on these videos just in time for you to be finishing up your hiatus. Perfect timing. Very curious to see how any possible DLC affects this timeline. Time travel always makes things wacky.
What if the reason paradox pokemon were around 200 years ago is because the Time Machine scattered them across Paldea’s timeline. Also glad someone else thought the same thing about bootstrap paradoxes
Space Time Distortions all over the timeline due to the destruction of the Time Machine in the events of the game. The problem is with the Paradox Pokemon appearing during Heath's expedition, with the time machine being created 200 years later, thus creating a weird time PARADOX. Yea very weird.
These videos are awesome I love the Pokemon lore and to learn more about it it's so awesome your videos are awesome and very interesting keep doing awesome work bird keeper Toby and maybe one day you can be the best Pokemon professor and with that have a wonderful day
my theory for how sada/turo got so many masterballs is that they were given one for whatever reason but because they are obviously REALLY smart and REALLY good at technology they simply reverse engineered that one masterball so they could figure out how they're made and just make as many of them as they want.
What if the room the machine is in is connected to the legendary? The pokemon they saw before were imagined. The time machine wouldn't really be a time machine but a way to bring the imagined pokemon to the physical world. After you place the book in the machine the pokemon get pulled out.
To the 65-87 year gap, maybe the research done at these places inspired all of these characters(Oak & Kurk to research both pokémon & the unknown, and the other three to look for strong new pokémon never seen before). It’s a far-fetched theory, but at least its something.
The Draconids are not the same as every Dragon-associated clan ever. I remember your video about that, and I disagree with your reasoning (which is very thin and assumes a lot). I think Jacq might have worked on the Tera Orb project too? Since he and Clavell used to work together. My favorite Pokémon, Master Chief! The AI Professor’s technology can’t exist outside of the Zero Lab due to the crystals there. However, a lesser version of that AI (which can only battle, not think freely) might be possible elsewhere? I thought the Professor was killed by the second Koraidon/Miraidon???
I have an idea on how the great crater was made. When Az fires the ultimate weapon 3000 years ago in the mega timeline it is successful and creates mega evolution. However in the non-mega timeline the beam is sent back in time landing in the Paldea region creating the crater.
maybe the pokeball pattern is some of camouflage meant to confuse predators kind of like zebras this may be why see it throughout pokemon history . also what if the crater is actual a micro biome and this environment allowed specific evolution, the professors then build the time machine in present day and create a paradox hence why paradox pokemon exist in the past and future. another thing is possible that the energy found in the crater is somehow related to infinity energy
The journal entry says that the other parent had left Arven, meaning the other parent in each game abandoned the family, leaving only Arven and the professor of that game. So the professor of that game worked hard to finish their studies to get back to Arven and led to the creation of the A.I. professor, but soon after, the incident in lab 4 happens and they die, so it's probably been a while that they had died and the A.I. professor just kept doing their work, not worrying as much about Arven.
Idk if this is covered in the video yet since im only 11 minutes in. But the fact that Hassel is basically Ryuki from Sun and Moon also means these games takes place anywhere from 20-40 years later
i just finished the final exams in SV. miss Raifort said the beads of ruin on chi-yu were worn in pairs like bracelets and earrings. they're the same shapes that Drasna has. chi-yu's also right next to kalos in the top right. there's definitely a connection there.
I have been wondering what happened to the other professor ever since reaching the end game. 'They walked out' is not really saying much, as Arvin seems to have been pretty much abandoned and having to fend for himself. The AI mentions that the issue with time travelling is that humans 'can't go back to this time', which made me wonder where it got that knowledge from... Did the other professor already get stuck in either the past or future (depending on the game you are playing)? And there is something with Geeta... she looks different and acts like she doesn't know how to behave. Bit of a 'hello fellow human' vibe here. So I wonder if she is somehow from the future or past, bit like how the player time travelled in PL:A. PL:A already set the stage for things being very interesting time-wise, with all the time distortions and people being there from either past (Volo) or future (Ingo). I hope we will get to know more about the lore in the future.
Just played the DLC, the entire story of Scarlet and Violet is a paradox in and of itself. Sada and Turo, meet with the player and recieve a book from them, then they go back to their original timeline at the beginning of the game, working on the machine, the player even inspires the professor to build an AI
My question is if the 3rd legendary messes with time does it make it a enemy of dialga? Because dialga is the pokemon of time and from what I presume its like the god of time. Second arceus has been getting a lot of build up in the recent years so does this 3 legendary had something to do with the events of hisui? I wondered how did the trainer in pokemon arceus get summoned by the antagonist (forgot his name) like how did a mere human especially of that time period was able to accomplish that feat?
There's a lot of neat details and theory here and I thank you both for sharing. However, I would like to point out that the Prof AI does mention that current human technology is not advanced enough to create an AI like itself and that the prof was only able to achieve that thanks to the unique crystals themselves. So I doubt that the PWT Trainers were AI. 😅
Miss Reinhart history teacher is also my favorite, but I'm 99% sure she is the bad guy , Geeta is meant to throw everyone off with her mysterious nature, while Reithart is the true Villain.
Imagine if Heath made an appearance in a Legends Arceus DLC where he came to Jubilife Village to get supplies from Prof. Laventon before exploring Area Zero
What about the patterns dug into the ground in the Roaring Moon/Iron Valiant cave? I can't seem to figure out if they mean anything or resemble anything.
one theory that I had about the supposed 'fused' mix variant or Raikou, Suicune, and Entei is that perhaps this could've been the form the trio 'previously' had before the tower had burned and crushed them in process. Since they weren't specified what type of pokemon they were before hand, maybe this could be the case.
Remember the Applin mission in SwSh? The girl moved, went through an emotional rebellion phase that ultimately led to hacking skills. Give her like seven or eight years and she’s gonna be Penelope from Criminal Minds lol
I feel like there is a reference to the Dracanids possibly with Hassel after you finish his classes. He's "a descendant of a long line of dragon-type trainers." Not sure if that just means the type trainer or possibly deeper like being a Draconid.
0:25 Ehm, we didn't have land animals 300 million years ago, but the cambrian explosion happened over 500 million years ago which is also the period where fish started to appear.
I can’t wait to officially see the third legendary and to see how it’s presence affects the story of the dlc. Also the potential of the imagined legendaries but who knows how they would exist.
So talking about the world tour you mention that they had advanced AI technology. But that's not true generally. In the game they say that it's the Crystal energy that let someone as advanced as them be made and that energy is required for them to function.
Timeline enthusiast here, this one has some interesting stuff! Especially that bootstrap theory at the end intrigues me a lot. Although there's a correction that I'd like to add, and that is concerning Arven’s other parent. Them being present during Arven’s first years of life is highly unlikely as the game directly states that the they 'walked out' not long after his birth. Whether they did that through the newly functional time machine or by simply leaving the family is up to speculation, but they did absolutely not help raise Arven, that would go against everything that he tells the player about his childhood. He never mentions his other parent, he probably doesn't even have his own memory of them. I also don't think that the remaining professor took Arven to Area Zero with them after people found out about the 'raidon, as he tells you in the game that this is the last time he saw his parent before having to grow up alone. That was probably around the time when he was five or six years old as depicted in the photo. The first time he himself went to Area Zero was when his Mabosstiff was injured by one of the Paradox Pokémon as he was searching for his parent, that's why he knows the place. That said, I enjoyed the video a lot! Amazing job you two!
7:48 I’ve only gotten this far as of now, but I realized something. If Tera crystals made time traveling possible, then it is possible that the crystals themselves radiate energy that disturbs space-time even without human intervention. If that’s the case, then the temporal anomalies could have been happening since the appearance of the third legendary (assuming that the third one created the crystals) which makes sense that paradox pokémon could have simply appeared thanks to these anomalies when the crater formed.
I think yall just missed a huge "paradox" / intentional plothole in the games story: It is said that Heath and his crew were the first ones to explore the crater entirely and find the paradox pokemon. But later on people went down to the crater and there is not a singe mention of the mysterious paradox pokemon seen. Heath was also called a liar by people back in the day. It is also then mentioned that sada/turo were the first ones to bring the paradox pokemon into reality with the assistance of the time machine. So why would they need to make a whole time machine if the pokemon already existed down in the crater... It's because they never existed. Tyranitartube has a great video on it. I'd suggest it The whole thing links with the 3rd legendary (disk pokemon). In short: the game hints a lot at the fact that the paradox pokemon aren't real. They are just made real by the 3rd legendary. It makes your greatest treasures become a reality. (Whole theme of the game)
Imagine if they bring mega evolution in the dlc like the did in ultrasun and moon when the malls heros tourist people give you the key stone postgame USUM
The characters in the Black and White tournament can’t be AI because the only reason why AI is possible was because of the Tera crystals. AI Turo/Sada was stuck in the Crater because it powered them.
My take is that Arven's other parent left because Sada/Turo is slowly going insane with their obsession of Area Zero... So the other decided to leave to prevent them from going insane as well... I think that we will see that other parent in the dlc after hearing about Sada/Turo... And will try to help us uncover more of Area Zero and the 3rd legendary... And probably reconcile with Arven...
The tera crystals sounded like they had the powers of: evolution as in historical trait upgrades/downgrades. It affected the building, the ai, the time machine. Would be logical to thing heath being exposed was able to do things he normally wouldn’t. It also sounds like a very potent thing affecting time or connecting all timelines in a spot. The picture of the scaled pokemon reminds me of an oroborous too which means linking by it biting its own tail, making a circle/cycle/connection.
That makes my heart feel…I don’t know it’s just overwhelming. I feel bad for Turo, Sada and Avren more because what you’re saying is true, then that doesn’t make sense now but it’s still confusing I’m still little bit. 16:02 but I love the history of how you I hope you guys do more and hopefully the DLC will let us go to see where the professors went to maybe…❤
My theory is that the paradox pokemon were brought from a different time but some were accidentally put into wrong times and those are the pokemon that the professors brought to the present making the pokemon literally paradox pokemon
I think you missed the lab book that clearly states Arven’s other parent abandoned them as soon as he was born. He pretty much raised himself (maybe at the school?) and only had his partner for company
Yeah, the timeframe given from the Pokédex for the Paradox Pokémon are taken from a freaking paranormal magazine. So it's much better to not take it literally at all. They most definitely are from a distant past or future but it's more like a few millions years max.
Hi! You probably won’t see this! But, looking at symbols on the pictures you show in the video, mabye try translating them to/from splatoon scripts (there’s at least 6). Splatoon happens in the very distant future, perhaps they are the same universe? The symbols bare resemblance to splatoon round script, specifically. Now I’m imagining Turo in a turf war. It’s very funny. I recommend.
So the Terra orbs are being developed at the same time as Black and White versions story starts… the same time that people are finding and utilizing Type Boosting gems in Unova… coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!
I think although it's greatly likely that Kalos is north of Paldea (going off of real world geography), are there any notes or references making that canon? Or are we just assuming?
Hey toby do you think you could do a video talking about koraidon and miraidon and their status as legendaries? A lot of people seem to think that they can't be legendary Pokemon because Cyclizar exists and for some reason in their head that means that Kdon and Mdon aren't legendaries
One *major* detail that theorists are glossing over is the metal plate at 7:56 . You can actually view it for yourself in Area Zero in front of Research Station 4, and next to the aforementioned symbol is a rough outline of the *entire map of Paldea*, on top of that, if you look close enough, *every major settlement including Poko Path is marked with a dot on the map*. In the middle you'll see an outline of the crater with a plus symbol inside of it. I feel like this is a very important detail that presents even more mysteries but so many people aren't even mentioning it!
One correction I think is that it says in game that Sada and Turo died from the aggressive Miraidon or Koraidon in effort to protect the passive one, not a mysterious unknown Pokémon or the third legendary
exactly. Alot of weird stuff in this vid. Not what im used to xD
No, it's only implied. Certainly the passive Koraidon/Miraidon was in danger here, but the Pokemon putting it in danger is never actually revealed to us.
@raymiemiller1455 ? The professor is literally told to us by the AI to have been killed by the aggressive version of the box legendary while trying to protect the one we get. They were killed by Koraidon/Miraidon while trying to protect the passive version. There's no "implication" we are straight up told that that's what happened.
@@raymiemiller1455 Braindead.
I was just about to bring this up
This timeline is no doubt only going to become more confusing once DLC arrives. Looking forward to all the theories to come from it
Thanks mate, hope everyone seeing this comes over to sub to you and see the theory we did on your channel ^_^
@@BirdKeeperToby Bro when you look at the SYMBOL on GEETA glove and ELITE 4 members it has the DIAMOND symbol on it just like the strange METAL TABLET in AREA ZERO.🤯
@Young Reckless I only see a compass is it on the palms?
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how theirs a book before 80 something years ago's before the time-machine, why the pokemon went to make a time-machine if it has the power to?
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Dialga fuming in Dawn's PC, sensing the Paldean Professor f"cking with time
It caused a loop that creates a new timeline per loop.
Sada/Turo didn't leave to raise young Arven. They just straight up abandoned their family.
The remaining parent basically let Arven raise himself while they did their research.
Yeah I don't know how they missed that as pokemon theorists, it's literally Arven's whole thing. It was just him and his dog growing up because one parent bolted after the birth and the other was too busy working
Yeah no clue how they just missed this. they went to the store to buy some moo moo milk and never came back.
Idk how to reply to multiple people at once. So the book in th slab ststes
That man/woman walked out shortl after the boy was born. And then goes on to talk about how Sada/ Turo can continue thier work.
My understanding of this is that the oppeosite parent walked out with Arven and for a short while giving time for the AI Sada or Turo to be made.
This would have been while Arvens still sn infant so he’s not going to be strongly remembering the other parent
Of course soemtime between him here and him being 4-6 years old the other parent has also mysteriously disappeared and is absent from the game aside from that mention
But he can’t raise himself from legit infanthood
@@BirdKeeperToby Arven didn't raise himself from literal infancy, but the way that the parent is described as walking out definitely makes it clear they abandoned the family.
Arven says he lived with his version-appropriate parent and version-appropriate lizard before the neighbor incident that caused his parent and the lizard to leave for Area Zero, so it seems the other parent abandoned them and the prof built the AI before leaving to the surface with the lizard to live alongside his kid. Maybe someone else like Clavell or a family member raised baby arven while his parent built the AI, and then Arven and Maschiff took care of themselves when the prof and the lizard returned to Area Zero following the neighbor incident. Considering we see little kid trainers traveling the world,and the player is often around the age of 10, I don't think it would be uncharacteristic for the adults in this world to let 5-6 yo's fend for themselves provided they have a Pokémon, and we see students of all ages at the Academy, meaning Arven too might have enrolled at an early age.
There's a few corrections i have to make:
1st Sada and Turo never raised Arven together, one of them abandons soon after Arven is born, making Arven only know the same parent we met in the game, there's a book in one of the outposts that says that. Arven left his Parent to go to school alone just a couple of years ago.
2nd Arven didn't know about the AI Professor nor the Second Koraidon or Miraidon, those events started after Arven had left his Parent to go to school, so it's a much more recent event, maybe 2 or 3 years ago in the game.
3rd the death of the Professor doesn't seem to be related to the "3rd Legendary", that pokemon seems to be too big to fit in the destroyed outpost. however, their death was probably the most recent event, most likely at the start of the game, it was most likely the Second Koraidon/Miraidon that killed them when they were trying to protect the first one from their territorial dispute, making the first Koraidon/Miraidon run away as we see at the start of the game.
4th in relation of the fusion Pokemon of the Beast Trio, it is most possible that it existed hundreds of years ago, the events of the Brass Tower wasn't their creation, Ho-oh didn't create them, it just resurrected them, 3 mysterious Pokemon died in the Brass Tower, for all we know, they were Suicune, Entei and Raikou, people just assume that they were turned into the Beasts cuz of the mentioned the 3 mysterious Pokemon but for all we know there was no transformation, the mysterious Pokemon were just Suicune Entei and Raikou otherwise people would have recognise them, but since the Trio is a rare sight, people wouldn't know them. but back to their creation, numerous Entei Pokedex Entries says that it is born whenever a Volcano erupts, no Ho-oh needed, Groudon maybe. Also, it was just one Tower that burned down, Lugia's Brass Tower, the Bell Tower that belongs to Ho-oh remained intact.
Bonus Fact: in one of the Outposts, there's a book like the one that says one of the Parents abandoned the other as soon as Arven was born as well as others that tell about the Professor's life in the Area Zero, however, this one is very strange, it says that the Professor wishes to go to the Past/Future to create a perfect paradise for the three of them to live, we know that one of them is the Professor but not the other two, are they the 2 Miraidons/Koraidons? are they the AI and the Koraidon/Miraidon? are they Arven and Koraidon/Miraidon?
i would like to think that it is Arven and his Parents together as a Family.
8:59
“Pokemon don’t usually attack people”
Have you read a Pokédex?!
As Misty would say about the Pokédex, "So you're just making stuff up?" 😂😂😂
I was under the impression that we're supposed to infer that the second Koraidon/Miraidon is the one that killed the Professor, since the AI says that our Koraidon/Miraidon lost to the other in a territory dispute, which would suggest that they had been at odds for some time.
Honestly I thought they said it outright, Mandela effect. The crystals probably grew in the lab after it was damaged in the fight, also it most likely happened on the day that you set out on your adventure.
I thought that at first too but they never mention that the other Koraidon/Miraidon killed the professor. They also didn't mention that the professor died in that territory dispute, just that our koraidon/miraidon fled the crater after it lost the dispute. I could easily be wrong but why I don't think the other koraidon/miraidon killed the professor, is that the game starts following our box legendary flying out of the crater. That's when we can assume it lost the dispute, but that would mean the professor died at the beginning of the game. However, from the other pieces of information we recieve, I think we can assume that the real professor has been dead for a while. The damage from research station four doesn't seem recent either. It also just seems weird to not have the AI just outright state that the other koraidon/miraidon was why the professor died instead of phrasing it vaguely. Along with not having them say the professor recently passed away as that's also super easy to state.
@@swagblu4727Not reading all that but that's why I said "implied" and "infer"
@Caped Baldy the mentioned that there was a territory dispute and that the professor died during an event that destroyed the research station, but it didn't state that these were the same events for certain. There are also crystals growing and broken in research station no. 4, which ARE without a doubt explicitly stated to be the creation of the third legendary.
@@swagblu4727 you're absolutely correct. The box art legendary flies out of the crater at the beginning, implying the territorial dispute happened at the beginning of the game. Further, Arven makes it seem like he hasn't seen his parent in quite a long time, which we figure out is because the AI can't leave the lab, in other words implying the AI has existed without the real professor for a long time. I think your analysis is spot on and a lot of people are making the exact inference the developers want them to create so they can be surprised when the DLC comes out.
my small theory is that heath went into the crater with 6 pokemon and his cyclizar and because he had that weird dream with the writing, his pokemon became the paradox pokemon. that is why there are only 6 of them for each version.
I don't think it's a coincidence that Heath has a Cyclizar. The Legendaries are Paradox Forms of Cyclizar, after all, so it makes me think if one of the two Cyclizar's used to be Heath's. If this is the case, I'd say that the most likely candidate is the Koraidon/Miraidon that we find, mainly due to how it mostly stays in its ride form.
BKT: The Dragon Clan doesn't appear in SV.
Me: Did you not go to Art Class?
Actually….yes but after I recorded :O sorry I need to look more into all that
I hope we get more lore heavy Pokémon story’s in the future. Strong lore will strengthen this franchise
people have already talked in the comments about the fact that The other professer did not raise Arven at all, but instead just left entirely, but I would also like to point out that during the elevator scene, the AI Professer states that the only reason they exist at all is because of the tera crystals, and that they cannot leave the crater. So no, the de-aged characters are not AI. They're probably not even canon.
i think the art teacher is part of the draconids, because obvs he uses dragon types, but he also has a very weird family history if you interact with him outside of class.
He’s more likely apart of a dragon clan similar to Lance of Blackthorn.
@@sunnyisabunny1479 it’s possible that all these dragon clans are branches of draconids, but I don’t think there’s enough evidence to say it would go either way.
@@MagusAgrippa8 Drake of Hoenn, Iris and Drayden of Unova, Drasna of Kalos seem to have a lot of understanding of Dragon pokemon that goes further than what we know about them
@@kurtisconn4710 Drake doesn’t seem specifically connected to dragons in my eyes. He seems more like a ship captain that happens to train dragons, you know? He’s different from the likes of Drayden and Iris (who apparently have ties to a dragon village if we go by anime lore) or Drasna (who very clearly is a member of a dragon clan just based on look alone).
I laughed waaaaayyyy too hard Mabosstiff giving the Covenant back their bomb 😂
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Dragon Lineage of the elite four member. Its possible that his family is the dragon faction we usually encounter
We are told what happened in Research Station 4. AI Sada/Turo tells you that the more feral Miraidon/Koraidon attacked the one you've been travelling with, and the biological Sada/Turo stepped in front of the attack to prevent the two from hurting each other, causing your companion pokemon to flee Area Zero.
This is amazing Bird Keeper Toby! For the 30th anniversary in 2026 I would like to see the Pokémon Company and Nintendo to release a Pokémon Historia book that is similar to the Hyrule Historia book that covers the complete timeline of the Pokémon games and how many years the events of the Pokémon games take place between each other all the way to Gen 10.
this is a fantastic theory i would love to see Turo in Scarlet and Sada in Violet reunite with Arven in the DLC that would be incredible, and all because of their respective spouse's sacrifice in the main game at area zero - it's like an infinity war/endgame story arc.
I love lore and theory videos, phenomenal job both of you can’t wait to see more next year!
When you mentioned the idea that the people in the world tournament could be ai because they have the technology can't be true. The only reason why the ai exists is because of the tera crystals in area zero. The ai sada or turo explain that the only work because of that and they can't leave area zero for the same purpose.
Do a theory on the 3 giant footprints of the region, maybe more but I noticed 3. They're from like a tri-pronged foot, Glaseado's grasp, Gracia stones and in the mining area near the worm titan. My theory is that they're from the disk pokemon.
The dragon clan are barly talked about but they are there. Hurst is the leader of them. When you become close to home it's something you talk about. He's unsure weather to keep teaching art or going back to the clan to lead them
nice theory but there is one point. I play violet in german and these notes in area zero say, that arvens mother left as soon, as the baby was born. So in violet he never met his mother. I mean in violet we also never hear anything about his mother.
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Remember that Sada says that no AI can be as advanced as her due to the computer being crystalized.
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Wait a minute... Given that you just said that Arven was born 16 years ago BEFORE Scarlet and Violet (which you may recall was that 16 years ago was the time of Black and White), and that you said that Scarlet and Violet take place canonically in the year of 2022 in the Pokemon world, would that mean he was born around 2006?
I'm really not sure how either professors would be able to go through the time machine when the game explained that humans can't go through it, that's why they send masterballs to catch them
I always love these types of videos about the lore and history of the Pokemon world
Finally finished the game and was able to catch up on these videos just in time for you to be finishing up your hiatus. Perfect timing.
Very curious to see how any possible DLC affects this timeline. Time travel always makes things wacky.
What if the reason paradox pokemon were around 200 years ago is because the Time Machine scattered them across Paldea’s timeline.
Also glad someone else thought the same thing about bootstrap paradoxes
Space Time Distortions all over the timeline due to the destruction of the Time Machine in the events of the game.
The problem is with the Paradox Pokemon appearing during Heath's expedition, with the time machine being created 200 years later, thus creating a weird time PARADOX.
Yea very weird.
These videos are awesome I love the Pokemon lore and to learn more about it it's so awesome your videos are awesome and very interesting keep doing awesome work bird keeper Toby and maybe one day you can be the best Pokemon professor and with that have a wonderful day
Nice one thanks Tobes, have a great Christmas mate!
my theory for how sada/turo got so many masterballs is that they were given one for whatever reason but because they are obviously REALLY smart and REALLY good at technology they simply reverse engineered that one masterball so they could figure out how they're made and just make as many of them as they want.
they likely got one from the academy and then produced more of them from there
Great vid! U got a new subscription
There is so much knowledge and information to handle in this video! Great work!
Thanks ^_^
What if the room the machine is in is connected to the legendary? The pokemon they saw before were imagined. The time machine wouldn't really be a time machine but a way to bring the imagined pokemon to the physical world. After you place the book in the machine the pokemon get pulled out.
love the timeline videos! keep killing it!
Ty ^_^
To the 65-87 year gap, maybe the research done at these places inspired all of these characters(Oak & Kurk to research both pokémon & the unknown, and the other three to look for strong new pokémon never seen before).
It’s a far-fetched theory, but at least its something.
Gen 5 is getting remade soon and is probably the next project calling it now with all the little nods to gen 5.
Good to see your description of third mon be spot on now
The Draconids are not the same as every Dragon-associated clan ever. I remember your video about that, and I disagree with your reasoning (which is very thin and assumes a lot).
I think Jacq might have worked on the Tera Orb project too? Since he and Clavell used to work together.
My favorite Pokémon, Master Chief!
The AI Professor’s technology can’t exist outside of the Zero Lab due to the crystals there. However, a lesser version of that AI (which can only battle, not think freely) might be possible elsewhere?
I thought the Professor was killed by the second Koraidon/Miraidon???
I thought it was weird that other video referenced this but i didn't remember watching it, glad to watch it now xD
And now with the DLC being announced, Terapagos was revealed as the third Legendary
I have an idea on how the great crater was made. When Az fires the ultimate weapon 3000 years ago in the mega timeline it is successful and creates mega evolution. However in the non-mega timeline the beam is sent back in time landing in the Paldea region creating the crater.
maybe the pokeball pattern is some of camouflage meant to confuse predators kind of like zebras this may be why see it throughout pokemon history . also what if the crater is actual a micro biome and this environment allowed specific evolution, the professors then build the time machine in present day and create a paradox hence why paradox pokemon exist in the past and future. another thing is possible that the energy found in the crater is somehow related to infinity energy
This is probably the most interesting lore from Pokémon I’ve seen in a long time. Here’s hoping it gets expanded upon
The journal entry says that the other parent had left Arven, meaning the other parent in each game abandoned the family, leaving only Arven and the professor of that game. So the professor of that game worked hard to finish their studies to get back to Arven and led to the creation of the A.I. professor, but soon after, the incident in lab 4 happens and they die, so it's probably been a while that they had died and the A.I. professor just kept doing their work, not worrying as much about Arven.
LOVE the mention of the bootstrap paradox (Capaldi better be in the next video) 😂
Idk if this is covered in the video yet since im only 11 minutes in. But the fact that Hassel is basically Ryuki from Sun and Moon also means these games takes place anywhere from 20-40 years later
i just finished the final exams in SV. miss Raifort said the beads of ruin on chi-yu were worn in pairs like bracelets and earrings. they're the same shapes that Drasna has. chi-yu's also right next to kalos in the top right. there's definitely a connection there.
I have been wondering what happened to the other professor ever since reaching the end game. 'They walked out' is not really saying much, as Arvin seems to have been pretty much abandoned and having to fend for himself. The AI mentions that the issue with time travelling is that humans 'can't go back to this time', which made me wonder where it got that knowledge from... Did the other professor already get stuck in either the past or future (depending on the game you are playing)?
And there is something with Geeta... she looks different and acts like she doesn't know how to behave. Bit of a 'hello fellow human' vibe here. So I wonder if she is somehow from the future or past, bit like how the player time travelled in PL:A.
PL:A already set the stage for things being very interesting time-wise, with all the time distortions and people being there from either past (Volo) or future (Ingo).
I hope we will get to know more about the lore in the future.
Love this vid
Just played the DLC, the entire story of Scarlet and Violet is a paradox in and of itself. Sada and Turo, meet with the player and recieve a book from them, then they go back to their original timeline at the beginning of the game, working on the machine, the player even inspires the professor to build an AI
My question is if the 3rd legendary messes with time does it make it a enemy of dialga? Because dialga is the pokemon of time and from what I presume its like the god of time. Second arceus has been getting a lot of build up in the recent years so does this 3 legendary had something to do with the events of hisui? I wondered how did the trainer in pokemon arceus get summoned by the antagonist (forgot his name) like how did a mere human especially of that time period was able to accomplish that feat?
There's a lot of neat details and theory here and I thank you both for sharing. However, I would like to point out that the Prof AI does mention that current human technology is not advanced enough to create an AI like itself and that the prof was only able to achieve that thanks to the unique crystals themselves. So I doubt that the PWT Trainers were AI. 😅
Miss Reinhart history teacher is also my favorite, but I'm 99% sure she is the bad guy , Geeta is meant to throw everyone off with her mysterious nature, while Reithart is the true Villain.
nah she's too obvious about her sinister nature, I think she's just a weirdo lol
I mean it could yes. I'm assuming the Regies at least existed back then and maybe mew
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In Scarlet and Violet AI Turo/AI Sada tell you that creating an ai is only possible with tera energy in area zero. That is why they can't leave.
Imagine if Heath made an appearance in a Legends Arceus DLC where he came to Jubilife Village to get supplies from Prof. Laventon before exploring Area Zero
What about the patterns dug into the ground in the Roaring Moon/Iron Valiant cave? I can't seem to figure out if they mean anything or resemble anything.
one theory that I had about the supposed 'fused' mix variant or Raikou, Suicune, and Entei is that perhaps this could've been the form the trio 'previously' had before the tower had burned and crushed them in process. Since they weren't specified what type of pokemon they were before hand, maybe this could be the case.
Cool!
Remember the Applin mission in SwSh? The girl moved, went through an emotional rebellion phase that ultimately led to hacking skills. Give her like seven or eight years and she’s gonna be Penelope from Criminal Minds lol
I feel like there is a reference to the Dracanids possibly with Hassel after you finish his classes. He's "a descendant of a long line of dragon-type trainers." Not sure if that just means the type trainer or possibly deeper like being a Draconid.
Time travel does exist before scarlet and violet with the time capsule in gsc allowing pokemon to be transported three years into the past to rby
0:25 Ehm, we didn't have land animals 300 million years ago, but the cambrian explosion happened over 500 million years ago which is also the period where fish started to appear.
I‘m going to think that Area Zero came from the ultimate weapon just because of the repurcussions of it being true.
I can’t wait to officially see the third legendary and to see how it’s presence affects the story of the dlc. Also the potential of the imagined legendaries but who knows how they would exist.
I just had to chuckle during the burned tower part, given recent event raids
So talking about the world tour you mention that they had advanced AI technology. But that's not true generally. In the game they say that it's the Crystal energy that let someone as advanced as them be made and that energy is required for them to function.
Timeline enthusiast here, this one has some interesting stuff! Especially that bootstrap theory at the end intrigues me a lot.
Although there's a correction that I'd like to add, and that is concerning Arven’s other parent. Them being present during Arven’s first years of life is highly unlikely as the game directly states that the they 'walked out' not long after his birth. Whether they did that through the newly functional time machine or by simply leaving the family is up to speculation, but they did absolutely not help raise Arven, that would go against everything that he tells the player about his childhood. He never mentions his other parent, he probably doesn't even have his own memory of them.
I also don't think that the remaining professor took Arven to Area Zero with them after people found out about the 'raidon, as he tells you in the game that this is the last time he saw his parent before having to grow up alone. That was probably around the time when he was five or six years old as depicted in the photo. The first time he himself went to Area Zero was when his Mabosstiff was injured by one of the Paradox Pokémon as he was searching for his parent, that's why he knows the place.
That said, I enjoyed the video a lot! Amazing job you two!
Relating to the past beast fusion thing, what if there were three of the fusions that died, and ho oh could only bring back a certain aspect of each
7:48 I’ve only gotten this far as of now, but I realized something. If Tera crystals made time traveling possible, then it is possible that the crystals themselves radiate energy that disturbs space-time even without human intervention. If that’s the case, then the temporal anomalies could have been happening since the appearance of the third legendary (assuming that the third one created the crystals) which makes sense that paradox pokémon could have simply appeared thanks to these anomalies when the crater formed.
I think yall just missed a huge "paradox" / intentional plothole in the games story:
It is said that Heath and his crew were the first ones to explore the crater entirely and find the paradox pokemon. But later on people went down to the crater and there is not a singe mention of the mysterious paradox pokemon seen. Heath was also called a liar by people back in the day. It is also then mentioned that sada/turo were the first ones to bring the paradox pokemon into reality with the assistance of the time machine. So why would they need to make a whole time machine if the pokemon already existed down in the crater... It's because they never existed. Tyranitartube has a great video on it. I'd suggest it
The whole thing links with the 3rd legendary (disk pokemon). In short: the game hints a lot at the fact that the paradox pokemon aren't real. They are just made real by the 3rd legendary. It makes your greatest treasures become a reality. (Whole theme of the game)
That 65-87 years if you consider the movies CANON, is the time when Samuel OAK was sent to the future by Celebi
So far, we have celebi, dialga, and Arceus (by extension) that can time travel. Will we get a third?
Sooo is the outro gonna change now that Ash is leaving 🤔 or am I just gonna cry after every one of your videos from now on 😂
Imagine if they bring mega evolution in the dlc like the did in ultrasun and moon when the malls heros tourist people give you the key stone postgame USUM
It's funny you told us to go to this video before it existed it was like a time paradox
Arven and Master Chief are my favorite trainer/pokemon duo.
I wonder if paradox pokemon are called "paradox pokemon" because a paradox justifies their existence
The characters in the Black and White tournament can’t be AI because the only reason why AI is possible was because of the Tera crystals. AI Turo/Sada was stuck in the Crater because it powered them.
My take is that Arven's other parent left because Sada/Turo is slowly going insane with their obsession of Area Zero... So the other decided to leave to prevent them from going insane as well... I think that we will see that other parent in the dlc after hearing about Sada/Turo... And will try to help us uncover more of Area Zero and the 3rd legendary... And probably reconcile with Arven...
The tera crystals sounded like they had the powers of: evolution as in historical trait upgrades/downgrades. It affected the building, the ai, the time machine. Would be logical to thing heath being exposed was able to do things he normally wouldn’t. It also sounds like a very potent thing affecting time or connecting all timelines in a spot. The picture of the scaled pokemon reminds me of an oroborous too which means linking by it biting its own tail, making a circle/cycle/connection.
That makes my heart feel…I don’t know it’s just overwhelming. I feel bad for Turo, Sada and Avren more because what you’re saying is true, then that doesn’t make sense now but it’s still confusing I’m still little bit. 16:02 but I love the history of how you I hope you guys do more and hopefully the DLC will let us go to see where the professors went to maybe…❤
Crater - roughly hexagonal. Crystals - hexagonal. The crater was definitely created by the 3rd legendary.
My theory is that the paradox pokemon were brought from a different time but some were accidentally put into wrong times and those are the pokemon that the professors brought to the present making the pokemon literally paradox pokemon
I think you missed the lab book that clearly states Arven’s other parent abandoned them as soon as he was born. He pretty much raised himself (maybe at the school?) and only had his partner for company
Why are you in my search history yet I didn't click your videos? Wild.
Yeah, the timeframe given from the Pokédex for the Paradox Pokémon are taken from a freaking paranormal magazine. So it's much better to not take it literally at all. They most definitely are from a distant past or future but it's more like a few millions years max.
Hi! You probably won’t see this! But, looking at symbols on the pictures you show in the video, mabye try translating them to/from splatoon scripts (there’s at least 6). Splatoon happens in the very distant future, perhaps they are the same universe? The symbols bare resemblance to splatoon round script, specifically.
Now I’m imagining Turo in a turf war. It’s very funny. I recommend.
So the Terra orbs are being developed at the same time as Black and White versions story starts… the same time that people are finding and utilizing Type Boosting gems in Unova… coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!
7:49 What's the source on Sada/Turo using Heath's notes to help them construct the time machine?
Anyway, okay analysis video. Thanks for uploading!
Wondering if that dome shaped pokemon with the crown and hexagons is only showing
the terrastilised part of a very special Celebi
I thought it was just a glitch in my game but in other videos the one piece of her hair is twitching lol
I think although it's greatly likely that Kalos is north of Paldea (going off of real world geography), are there any notes or references making that canon? Or are we just assuming?
Hey toby do you think you could do a video talking about koraidon and miraidon and their status as legendaries? A lot of people seem to think that they can't be legendary Pokemon because Cyclizar exists and for some reason in their head that means that Kdon and Mdon aren't legendaries
One *major* detail that theorists are glossing over is the metal plate at 7:56 .
You can actually view it for yourself in Area Zero in front of Research Station 4, and next to the aforementioned symbol is a rough outline of the *entire map of Paldea*, on top of that, if you look close enough, *every major settlement including Poko Path is marked with a dot on the map*. In the middle you'll see an outline of the crater with a plus symbol inside of it.
I feel like this is a very important detail that presents even more mysteries but so many people aren't even mentioning it!