Third Sister vs Second Sister: Inquisitor Scenes in Kenobi vs Fallen Order
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2024
- Both Obi-Wan Kenobi and Jedi: Fallen Order have scenes that feature inquisitors hunting for a Jedi. I examine both scenes to explain why one worked so well, but the other didn't even need to exist.
#obiwankenobi
0:00 Intro
0:42 Setting
4:35 Pacing
6:17 Character Design
9:37 Dialogue
11:13 Emotional Weight
13:57 Acting and Delivery
15:33 Conclusion
Part 2, comparing the backstories and conclusions of the two Inquisitors, is up now!
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Trilla is my favorite of the two because she comes across as the dark and scary individual that she is but she’s also more restrained. You know what she’s capable and willing to do but she keeps things under her control.
Trilla is one of my favorite Inquisitors
Trilla doesn't have to scream whisper her lines either...
Yep its more effective than Reva throwing fits
@@CaptainSeaDog_I definitely agree they tried to make Reva scary by having her lash out in rage every other second, but it ended up just making her seem like she was acting like a child
It helps that Trilla is sexy af.
I’m sorry. Please read this. Trilla was MARKETED as the main villain of the game. And Darth Vader was added into the end as a surprise. Darth Vader was ADVERTISED as the main villain of Kenobi. We got that stupid character instead (nothing against the actress). We were MISLED and lied to basically.
Except for the star wars tweet where they were talking about how it was Reva's story. Which only made it worse because it's not Obi Wan growing as a character. He doesn't really act any differently from the start of the show to the end. It's Reva who's character develops.
@@squashiejoshie200000 worse part is it doesn't even feel like a natural development, her intentions and motivations are all over the place and don't feel consistent
It's just one of many disappointments the writers and directors have made with that poor show
I feel bad for Moses Ingram, she seems like a fun person in interviews but she plays a rather insufferable villain due to the writing 😭
nice way to summarize it
@@lowhp_comic Disney shafting good actors and people with terrible writing seems to be a common theme with their Star Wars products.
I love how a game can have a better story than a movie
Goes to show how actually caring about what you’re writing goes a long way
I mean that's obvious that a game can do better with a live action series
Games have become a very strong medium, even if the majority of people still fail to recognize that.
*a series which was dragged out for money
@@junior523 its not obvious
Trila betrays Vader
Vader "Die" *kills Trila*
Reeva betrays Vader
Vader "you have failed me, do not fail me again."
Reeva betrays Vader again
Vader "You were told what would happen if you failed me again...... you have one last chance!"
Reeva betrays Vader AGAIN
Vader "fiiiiiine." Stabs Reeva in the gut and walks off
Reeva somehow survives.
😂😂😂
Reva betrays Vader AGAIN
Vader overpowers her
Vader gives her a weapon
Vader beats her again
Vader "fiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnnneeeeeeeeee" stabs her
Trilla is cold, calculating, and intimidating. And the more we see of her, the more we see the depth to her character in how she views Cere and what the Empire did to her. And when she does try to let go of the hate (or at least consider it), she’s cut down by Vader in a single swipe as we see the fear she holds for him in her expression just by hearing his breath.
Reeva is an arrogant whining child who has lacklustre motivations and a plan that doesn’t make any sense. How did she survive getting stabbed with a lightsaber when she was a kid and then go on to become an Inquisitor? Did she become an Inquisitor because she planned to kill Vader? Was it just to survive in the Empire? How did she become an Inquisitor but believe Vader had no idea who she was? Her entire story is inconsistent with the established lore of how the Inquistors were created because her character is so inconsistent. One second she’s angry, the next she’s pretending to be calm, one second she’s trying to kill Vader, then she tries to kill Luke for no real reason.
Kenobi really should have just been about Obi-Wan’s training along with Vader doing his own force quest stuff, like in the comics. That way there could be that interaction between characters without clashing with the lore. No need for Leia to get captured, no need for off-brand-Trilla to yell at everyone and act like she’s cool, etc
Completely agree. Currently working on a rewrite of Reva’s character to make it more consistent. They could definitely make a brutish, rash inquisitor work (kinda like 9th sister in Fallen Order), but Reva fell far short of that mark.
@@master_samwise I think the best way to rewrite Reva would be to write her out of the show
@@caesarin0 Honestly a better rewrite is not have her know who vader truly is because she wouldn't know, not have her stab grand inquisitor, he shouldn't have been there, don't have Reeva capture leia and almost kill luke. Instead have her redemption of giving Kenobi and the refugees time to escape while she fights vader obviously losing and dying.
Trillas backstory y makes sense where reeva is impossible even using Star Wars logic and characters it’s impossible she should be alive it’s not believable
@@Lord-Nevahlus she did die tho cause she got stabbed in the stomach by a lightsa-nvm……
I think the mask is an amazing design choice for Trilla. When she initially encounters Cal, she has it on. It conveys a featureless almost inhuman entity who's only goal is to kill our protagonist. But when she later takes it off, we see her true self. What every inquisitor is behind the mask. She looks disheveled with pain behind her eyes. Its a really simple way of showing the appearance the Inquisitors want to portray juxtaposing who they really are.
ngl if we saw Trilla at the start without her helmet on, she'd definitely be less intimidating, and just seem slightly psychotic without the intimidation factor
@@foxdragon2276 and people would have. Been simping for her from the start
@@pian-0g445
You telling me that people weren't?
@@BladezeromusI was
Another thing I like about the troopers is it shows a hierarchy. Stormtroopers, then purge troopers then inquisitors. You know instantly when Trilla shows up the troopers are taking orders from her which make her appear more domineering and high in the imperial chain which creates even more intimidation and tells the audience that she must be a formidable opponent, or else why would she be in command of all these troopers.
Also shows how Chad the purge troopers are; they went on assignment knowing they might have to fight a desperate Jedi, and all they brought were zappy sticks. Why bring such a weapon unless you were sure you were going to win?
@@MachineMan-mj4gj A cool little detail about the purge troopers is that they actually block Cal’s lightsaber by the hilt.
Also Inquisitors are made officers in the Imperial Military so that’s another reason.
@@thatrandomgamer6278 Yeah the melee weapons the purge troopers use are resistant to Lightsaber strikes
@@MachineMan-mj4gj someone didn’t do their lore research 😅😅😅😅
I think one of the biggest mistakes they made with Reva was making her introductory scene one where she is not in control - both the fifth brother and the grand inquisitor reprimand her so it’s hard for us to take her seriously as a threat
But she rose among those pesky men and got close to Vader!
@@Godpk11 and Vader whipped her ass like a sex slave.
@@Kai97119 Not the reply I was expecting. Lmao.
@@Godpk11 Just saying Lol
I also really how tattoine is considered a hive of scum and villainy, and Reva is like, "imma kill this man", only for everyone to be like, Okey, who cares.
It was very clear the writers in Kenobi struggled to understand that there is a difference between a bully and a villain, whereas the Fallen Order writers did.
Who would have thought that it's not the skin color people dislike about Reva. The main problem with her was also that the actress simply doesn't look threatening, she shows way too much of what she thinks. The most threatening villains like Gus Fring have very little, very subtle expressions.
@@TiaraStarbrighter Drill Sergeants are different, they scream so loud because they don't want you to think. Thinking is not what the military wants. But Inquisitors are far more than that.
Great villains don’t say, they show. You can have a loud intimidating villain as long as their dialogue isn’t entirely plot exposition and you can believe what they say because of their actions.
They also couldn’t pick a role for Reva. They couldn’t decide whether they wanted her to be a hero or a villain and she ended up just being annoyingly mediocre screaming “IM IMPORTANT I SWEAR”. They made the same mistake with admiral Holdo
A great example of a well done villain in recent streaming is Homelander. He’s brash, loud, intimidating, cold, and calculating, but he’s equally emotional, pathetic and insecure all at that same time. But it’s all believable, and you love to hate him. He goes from trying to be charismatic one second to get people to like him, to throwing a tantrum and slaughtering everyone in the area because it didn’t work out. Everything he does is out of selfishness and brokenness, and he’s understandably pure evil. Not to mention Antony Stark’s incredible acting while portraying him. Dude can go from smiley politician to serial killer just by shifting his eyes.
That’s how you write and act a villain. Let them show how bad they are, and let them be bad.
Disney’s lucasfilm has a history of using skin color or genitalia to dismiss criticism. We saw this coming back when articles were coming out saying Lucasfilm warned the actress she would receive racist backlash cuz they were already setting it up. Fortunately they didn’t care about fallen order which is why Trilla wasn’t treated like that.
@@michaelrandolph6373 The best thing for us is that the big entertainment people don't take games seriously. Which means, they receive so little attention that they are spared from this nonsense.
Before release: "People will hate it. Just ignore them because they are racist and sexist."
After release: "Oh, see! They hate it! They must be racist and sexist!"
It's a weaponized self-fulfilling prophecy. And the worst part is, it ruins franchises and starves us all of genuinely good entertainment because they can't be bothered to give a damn about their audience.
Not their "modern" audience. Their audience. The real one that actually criticizes the flaws and praises the successes (rare as they have become).
Trilla is calm, calculating she has no issue with violence. The way she speaks before murdering Prauf is casual, as if agreeing with someone that said the weather was beautiful. The first time we hear genuine emotion is when she comments on Cal's lightsaber. It's angry, it's excited, it's predatory. She's thrilled to have prey worth hunting.
The biggest difference, for me, is Control.
Trilla has control of every scene she’s in. She has no fear, no surprise, no unexpected elements around her. Every time she appears: she has complete mastery over the scene and the area, right up until the final two times you meet, which are different for story reasons.
She has her saber positioned to kill and defend all at once. She has her troops worrying about the civilians (notice the Purge Trooper never takes his blaster off of Praug’s head). She has almost no reaction other than “huh, your lightsaber’s blue. I thought it would be green” before effortlessly taking care of business.
She exudes an aura of control, while the audience feels utterly inept in comparison.
Reva feels like she has no idea what she’s doing, and the Sixth Brother has to actually do the job. Funnily enough: it feels like siblings. The responsible older brother doing his job and the brash younger sister who wants to be cool like him but doesn’t know how.
“I’ll cut off someone’s hand. Pain is scary, right? Oh, I’ll scream! When mommy screams at me: I get scared. Okay, they’re not giving me what I want. I wanna! Gimme what I want!”
She feels like a child begging for any recognition and compliance to her wants.
Even knowing nothing about the actress or the character’s backstory: this scene emphasizes she has almost no power and absolutely no control over the situation.
She’s like a rabid dog, flailing from one action to the next without reason. While it can be frightening and alarming to see chaos controlling great power: she doesn’t project the great power to get that across.
Funnily enough, dialogue is probably the biggest part for me.
Remember Vader’s first scene? His actions spoke for himself, as did his presence. Big, black, caped guy coming into a massacre, looks around, and the skull-faced troops fall in line after him.
Trilla’s? She has the troops to speak for her if she wants, Praug already laid out the danger of getting caught, and every word she says is one that clarifies her position rather than explaining what we already know. She speaks because she chooses to, showing her command of the situation and out lack thereof.
Reva’s? She has to explain everything about herself because otherwise: there’s nothing there. She *has* to speak, and that shows a lack of control.
Bruh this is like the best explanation I’ve seen, this comment deserves more likes
Agreed. In Fallen Order and Rebels, we see their power when we are introduced to the Inquisitors.
When GI showed up in prison, he manhandled Kannon and deduced his master after a few short exchanges. That speaks about his skill with the blade and his knowledge of the Jedi at an organizational and personal level. The other two inquisitors in Rebels were given the Vader treatment, lazy but still getting the job down.
Trilla's entrance was methodical to bring fear to her prey. Lining up the workers with Storm and Purge troopers. We see the control she has over the entire scene where one wrong move and Cal dies.
Reva just showed she had good instincts but lacked any good foresight.
Reva not knowing what she’s doing is intentional. She’s the least of the inquisitors
@@cam1481
Which is why she’s the *Third* Sister? As opposed to, say, fiftieth?
And I think her being brash and insulent could work, IF they used another character to attempt to teach her a lesson on control. Her either learning or refusing to learn to control would have made her character more interesting, especially when she learns she's still no match for Vader.
Son: Mom, I want Trilla!
Mom: We have Trilla at home.
Trilla at home: Reva.
I’ve been drawing comparisons between the trilla and reva and have been trying to find the right words to explain my friend who defends reva as a character how trilla is infinitely better.. thish wasn’t even an obvious scene I would’ve throught to compare but it says everything you need. Damn man.
Why compare
@@JamestownJah both play the same role, both are portrayed by actresses of color. One is beloved by most the other is hated by most
@@mikhailsporyshev9772 Also the Kenobi shows steals a lot from Fallen Order and does it worse. Like ripping off the entire Fortress Inquisitorius infiltration. Or having Kenobi inexplicably neglect his powers, trying to replicate Cal's disconnection because of trauma, even tho Kenobi is a Master with a purpose on Tatooine vs the directionless Padawan Cal.
Or the entirety of Reva being a worse copy of Trilla, except she doesn't get killed by Vader (although she should be dead from a lightsaber stab in the abdomen).
Your opinion Is invalid cuz she's black so any criticism makes you racist get woke bruh
@@LordVader1094 Facts
Trilla is completely in control the entire time. Of herself, of the situation, of everyone and everything. She doesn't panic when things don't go as they should, and she NEVER makes a threat she's not willing and ready to back up. Compare that with Reva who cuts off someone's hand for no good reason in a fit of pique, yells at people when she gets frustrated, threatens Owen twice and (most importantly) doesn't follow through with either threat. She's not an intimidating or threatening character, she's not even dangerous beyond the lightsaber in her hand. Reva's introduction screams "petulant, reactive, cocky" and other such words because she lacks any sort of control of herself or others.
sad part is, "petulant, reactive, and cocky" sounds like a great start for a characters arc, hell, its basically how ANAKIN starts at the beginning of his arc. If they wrote her with a little more grace and nuance, playing on those parallels on how shes basically a mirror copy of the man she really hates, she couldve been a great character, but alas.
I remember in some interview or something the reva actress said she based her performance on a girl that bullied her in school and the second sister was calm cold and sadistic when she killed prauf from her voice she sounds like she respects him a bit for saying that;
To me fallen order was great because the characters were created from zero and not botched versions of established characters
I love that scene in Fallen order
The subtle acting and the expression on Cals face....I just love this so much
This is an excellent video. There's a strange amount of plot points in Kenobi that were...reminicent of Fallen Order. i need not mention the notorious episode 4 fortress inquisitorious break out scene. Every single one is executed better in Fallen Order, which manages to make the inquisitors look like competent and a very interesting sub unit of the empire. The music alone is everything the high-strung violins used in fallen order compared to the blunt bombastics in Kenobi to not using any masks.
Man i still feel sad for how the fandom treats the Inquisitors after Kenobi, yeah they're not as strong as the jedi council but c'mon, don't act like all of them are as lame as Reva
Whoever wrote the Kenobi show was blatantly trying to rip off other Star Wars projects. There is no doubt about it. There are so many parallels to Fallen Order and that final scene between Vader and Kenobi was directly ripped from Rebels. Given the apparent lack of talent, my guess is they plagiarised these other projects because they knew their own writing skills were terrible and hoped love for other projects would cause people to ignore the incompetent writing of Kenobi, or they were just too damn lazy to come up with anything original.
I thought I was going nuts when I started noticing the similarities between the better project and Kenobi
@@danielgiovanniello7217 yeah me too and it really both pisses me off and saddens me. I *loved* fallen order. It was such a good game with a really nice story, but that story is Cal's story. The fact that Kenobi sometimes seems a blatant worse rip off of the Game is SO dissapointing. Obi-wan deserves so much better than that.
@@norbertsreignofterror9418 I immediately noticed it when he snuck into the Fortress Inquisitorius. Now that I think about it... Did his ship even cloak when dropping him off? It's been a while since I watched that dumpster
Obi-Wan had good viewership numbers only because it had name recognition. Andor deserves the attention that Obi-Wan received instead.
I believe there was a lot of good in kenobi but also a lot of bad. The show really peaked for me during the last two episodes.
Kenobi gets a 4/10, Andor was def 9/10.
@@QuickIguana As an Obi Wan fan who waited for the show for literally years, it was disappointing, it has good worthwhile moments, but a lot of it is unnecessary filler, it was planed to be a movie at first and it really shows with how much unnecessary stuff there is, the whole reva stuff feels so shoehorned into a story that should've been about Obi Wan and Anakin
Obi-Wan was a very bad first two episodes, a god awful middle, and a bad final act that people let off the hook for cool looking eye candy
But, unfortunately, Andor is probably too little, too late. I think most real fans checked out of the new stuff and canceled their Disney+.
Reva's arc could've been so cool if she had her own show. A fall-from-grace story about someone doing worse and worse deeds to get closer to Vader, hoping that it would all be worth it in the end. Imagine if we cared about her, but watched her become a monster and fall to the dark side in the process of trying to get revenge. Instead she shows up in a show she doesn't belong in, without the screen time to flesh her out as a character.
So.........imagine if she was an Anakin knockoff instead of a Trilla knockoff??? Anakin is a character we care about, and even in just the movies, we watch him do worse and worse deeds and fall to the dark side because of the fear within him of losing the ones he loves, ultimately culminating in him being the main cause of the downfall of the Jedi Order and then killing the very woman he went down that path to try and save. Obviously, it's different from "trying to get revenge" but the similarity is very clearly there.
Of course, this is even amplified watching TCW and already knowing he becomes Darth Vader, because once you get to Revenge Of The Sith, you have some futile hope that maybe he won't make those critical mistakes this time, maybe he'll leave Mace to defeat and kill Palpatine instead of intervening, maybe he doesn't have to become Darth Vader.......but it's a useless hope, because we already know his fate is sealed.
@Caesar ino I'd have to disagree. Even as you point out, they are not the same. Trilla and Reva are practically identical character wise. That's why they get called out. The only thing similar about this hypothetical Reva and Anakin is the descent into villainy. Anakin was a fully trained war hero, and a cocky guy who suffered from how deeply he cared about those near his heart to the point where he'd do ANYTHING to protect them. The only thing that caused him to act was his gradual disillusionment with The Jedi and his own compassion turned into fear. Reva doesn't have that privilege. She was a child when she lost everything and had to submit or die to The Empire and to Vader. She has no other choices, is not well trained, and she's in the room in the room with the guy keeping her shackled to her current life path. The same man who mercilessly hacked down her peers and ordered her to do the same. She carries with her all the lives cut away from this world too soon and uses that anger to push her to the next day, inching closer to the perfect moment of her inevitable revenge only to fail, showing the totality of control of the Empire, of Vader, and how she will never get that vindication.
Second Sister
- Hunting Jedi while maintain order and stability as part of The emperor enforcers.
- Has reasons to hate the jedi (mostly her jedi master) and hurt or kill civilians in cold blood.
Third Sister
- Hunting Jedi while trying intentionally causing problems so that she can earn more commendation and power. (Example: kidnapping princess leia)
- No hate toward the jedi but a motive to survive and hurt or kill civilians because she was annoyed over little things while trying too hard to look threatening.
In Conclusion, Third Sister is trying to be the next Kylo ren, doesn't know what the dark side is other than trying to be annoying and edgy.
It's a shame that a video game was produced better than a TV show.
A shame? More like to be expected...
Nope Kenobi was also S-tier, you're just bad. Skill issue. Cry.
@@plague6174 Nah kenobi was shit.😭 Andor was much better.
@@konaonpalannut9723 No it's okay you just wanna be different, its okay.
@@plague6174 Bro's just trolling at this point.🥵
Trilla has a chill around her, the mystery and uniformity. She stays collected during the whole process and shows that she is serious and not messing around.
Compare this to Reva. She appears like she has no idea what she is doing, she visually shows her emotions which makes her less intimidating. And she goes on too long giving too much information and seems rather sloppy.
For the inquisitors less is more. We don’t have to know everyone’s backstory we just need to know they are a serious threat to the protagonist, which Trilla does fantastically.
Trilla was chilling..
Reva was just this: I SHOUT MY LINES BUttt then slowly begin to….whissspeeerrrrrrr..
Frankly if I did the scene from kenobi, I would have had Kenobi talk to the Jedi at the table. Kenobi tells him it’s not safe there as the Empire forced the Hutts to allow military access through their territory. Kenobi apologies and says he can’t help them. Kenobi leaves, but as he does, death troopers surround the crowd. I’d have 5th brother give his speech with Reva on one of the nearby rooftops. She’d be scanning the crowd both with her eyes and the Force. Someone makes a run for it, and she throws the lightsaber cutting the poor fool in half. Kenobi sees the Jedi in the crowd, they share a look. The other pulls his hilt. Kenobi shakes his head, “no!” Too late, the Jedi ignites his lightsaber charging at the inquisitors. The people scream and run as Kenobi is thrown into a wall by the crowd. The inquisitors kill the Jedi after 30 seconds using their double blades to lock him in place with the troopers taking pop shots. As they collect the lightsaber as proof of kill, Reva spots Kenobi and instantly recognizes him. A chase ensues.
Great scene only one thing would be lil bit wrong. At that point inquisitorius can’t know that kenobi is on tatooine. Cause at that point they would report that fact to Vader and Vader can’t know that he’s on tatooine
Change it more. Introduce the villain completely separately from the hero. A busy marketplace. It's dark and possibly raining. On top of a building, we get the behind view of a character wearing black looking down. The camera moves through the streets at ground level, looking left and right. It cuts back to the character on the building, slowly zooming in. Then back to the streets. The camera moves more slowly now and focuses in on a single man, running the 3 cups game. Back to the character on the building. Now only the shoulders and head are visible. They haven't moved. Back to the street and the hustler. The camera zooms right in, showing only one of the cups. It raises for a moment and a single stone floats out, around, and under another cup. Finally back to the top of the building and now we see the character in profile as the camera moves around to show the side of her face. She opens her eyes and smirks. Wide shot as she steps off the building. Cut to the hustler who looks up as he hears a commotion in the crowd. He grabs his cups, shoving them into a pocket, briefly revealing a battered lightsaber. The people around him draw back, some even begin shouting, and the commotion is getting closer. He runs down an alley, looking back over his shoulder to see a few stormtroopers pushing their way through the crowd. He climbs over a wall and drops down, landing easily and brushing himself off as he stands up. From the shadows, a voice simply says "Leaving so soon? How like a Jedi. Never around when you need them." and there is the sound of a red lightsaber activating, briefly showing the face of the character from the building.
Sinister and threatening. The initial shots show that someone is searching with the power of the force as opposed to just vision. We know our antagonist is a force user immediately. The person they are hunting is a jedi, but one who is ruined. He is resorting to charlatanry to make money, using the force to cheat at games. The antagonist is morally grey. Yes, they hunted down a jedi, but they hunted a morally questionable jedi. The question of motivation is currently open and may be fleshed out later. At the moment we merely have a goal, and the goal is at least partially achieved. The antagonist used the stormtroopers to create a commotion and drove the jedi to them. Not only are they hunting jedi, but they are also skilled at hunting jedi, able to herd a force sensitive opponent into an ambush. The antagonist is an intelligent and skilled hunter.
The next time we see them, they are giving the battered lightsaber that we saw briefly to their superior. The superior nods to acknowledge a task completed, then offers a challenge. They are aware that Senator Organa was a one time associate of the infamously at large jedi master, Obi Wan Kenobi, and that finding Kenobi would be of great value to the inquisitor who does it. Lord Vader would certainly be pleased, and promotion would be assured for the inquisitor who found him. They would certainly have the gratitude of Lord Vader, if not the Emperor himself. Perhaps the antagonist could ask a couple of clarifying questions, but the scene ends with the single line "Consider it done."
The antagonist, already seen to be a skilled hunter now has a goal for the rest of the series. Find Obi Wan Kenobi. The introduction scene shows how they will do it. They draw Kenobi out of hiding, away from Tatooine. Continuity can be preserved. The climax can be a duel between the antagonist and Kenobi. Explanation of previous actions, they hunted the jedi that let people down, that betrayed themselves, all for a chance to meet Lord Vader. All for a chance to draw out and kill their most hated enemy. Kenobi is her ticket, and the train is pulling into the station. A ship arrives and is landing nearby. Out come several stormtroopers who stand aside as Vader comes out. The betrayal, the antagonist simply lifted, choking off to the side, only to be spared as Obi Wan attacks. Obi Wan and Vader duel. Obi Wan is tired and Vader is at his most powerful, but Obi Wan holds his own, long enough to use the force to save the antagonist, pushing them out through a door which he seals. He holds off Vader long enough, then escapes himself. He goes to what is evidently a prepared escape route. He was a general and he saw through the trap. He went to confront his hunter. The ship that waited for him escapes as does another. Later both ships are shown together. A person helps the antagonist down the ramp as Kenobi comes down the other. The antagonist asks why. Kenobi explains that there is a chance for them. He goes back through the explanation. The antagonist hunted down jedi, yes, but only those that truly had deserted, that truly were traitors. They never hunted those who were trying to help people. "But I hunted you..." "Yes." And that last line can be delivered with all the sadness Ewan McGregor can to get across that he truly felt that he had betrayed the people he loved when he failed to keep Anakin on the jedi path. That by redeeming this nearly lost soul, he can redeem himself as well. A second season is available and we can watch the 2 as they go together on their path to redemption.
@@squashiejoshie200000 Might wanna copyright that shit cuz Disney's looking to take your script
Trilla was everything I want in a Dark Side user.
Fueled by emotion, but in control. She represents the era of villains like Grand Moff Tarkin and Darth Vader, just on a much lower level power-wise.
But she knows what she's doing, why she's doing, and that makes her scary.
Reeva is everything I hate about "Sith" in newer media, like swtor.
Quick to anger, no idea what she's doing, throwing a tantrum if things don't go her way.
The type of character you just roll your eyes at and think "Look mate, you know who has a lot of feelings? Blokes who bludgeon their wives to death with a golf trophy. Professionals have standards."
FACTS.
Trilla is terrifying. Reva is a petulant little girl with force powers.
Fair points all, Reeva and this depiction of the Inquisitors reminded me of a team of drill sergeants. Especially considering they came as a team. One role is to be unhinged, the other is calculated etc. Its not great but its what made it palatable to me. Quite literally she reminded me of the first DS i experienced during in processing. One thing that is skewed in this comparison is that we are invested in fallen order since we are playing the role of Cal; where as here, we are far removed from whats going on in Obi Wan which only further weakens the writing. Anyway, Andor is great 😂
Andor is great. 👍
I'd buy into the 'good Inquisitor' 'bad Inquisitor' role if that's what the story was going for.
Unfortunately it's clear that Reva's behaviour is erratic even by Inquisitor standards (she's called out for being brash multiple times in the show)
Fun fact,the Inquisitors knew from the start it was Cal because you can see the probe droid watching when he uses the Force to save Prauf. Second Sister was testing if he would sacrafice the others to save himself,making him a good candidate to be an Inquisitor, or if hed surrender. Either way, the Inquisitors win-until Prauf sacrifices himself for Cal. Still makes Second Sister that much more cunning and sinister
This is why The Second Sister was second to none except the Grand Inquisitor, her whole attitude and way of going about hunting Jedi is totally different. Whereas Second Sister is cold, calm, and merciless, Third Sister seems like a spoiled child. She talks as if she's used to, and immediately expects to get what she wants, not like she's actually searching for something, or someone.
Yeah they missed the mark with Reva. There’s definitely room for a more angry, needlessly violent inquisitor, but she shouldn’t act like a fifth grade bully
Your commentary about the fact the Kenobi Show didn't go all in on making their Inquisitor menacing has a point, but I think there is a logical explanation for it - the show runners had this hamfisted redemption arc going for Reva and they probably thought they *couldn't* make her as badass as her coworker, or the redemption story would struggle even harder. Hence the nearly invisible Imperial iconography, the fact her uniform isn't completely dark (hinting at light within her I guess), and the fact her face is always visible (even though, as you pointed out, Star Wars villains usually have masks). They were telegraphing the eventual redemption.
Which is, in my mind, lazy as fuck. But I can see the logic to it. And I think the actress did the best job she could with the material she was given.
I don’t think anyone ever had problem with actress skin color or acting. Skin color isn’t the problem when the character is bad, and acting is always first and foremost problem of a director not an actor. Simple example Natalie Portman is a tremendous actress who can show nuance and emotions almost effortlessly. But look at her in prequels and she’s bland. It’s not the problem of actress it’s the problem with directing said actress
Well, he failed. Hard. You can evoke sympathy for an inquisitor; we absolutely felt for Trilla because of Cere. The problem is that the 3rd sister is a whiny shit who we didn't have a reason to care about until way too late. Redemption arcs are defined by other characters, and Reva had no connection to any of them.
Trilla was badass and had a glimpse of a redemption arc. Before the whole vader thing
it's also really cool that trilla enters by descending from above. just signifies the gap between inquisitors/the empire and commoners through first impression
I feel like part of the major difference between the two is that Reva was a youngling and Trilla was a padawan on the verge of being knighted and it shows. Reva still acts like a youngling in this first scene too and presumably throughout the rest of Kenobi. Trilla is a seasoned Jedi hunter and it shows, she knows exactly what she is doing and how best to accomplish it, and the Ninth Sister is back up in the event things should go awry. In comparison, the Fifth Brother got stuck babysitting.
Easiest comparison ever:
Trilla is Gustavo Fring, always keeps his cool, a cold head, always controls the situation, her presence along makes you feel nervous, because you know that under that "relaxed" facade there is a deadly fallen Jedi willing to chop you into pieces
Reva on the other hand would be Tuco Salamanca. Always has to scream, break things, and try to act superior than others. The point is, why Tuco Salamanca is a good character while Reva isn't?
Easy. The writers of BrBa knew perfectly good what they were doing with Tuco. They weren't making him likable, they didn't expect you to go "I support Tuco", they were expecting you to hate that deranged crazy man who could break your skull if you looked wrong at him. What would have happened if after everything Tuco did they just show us a flashback where he has a sad experience (full of plot errors btw) and turns out he just wanted to kill the main character all along for a stupid reason? Well, that's Reva for you. She's the kind of character you would hate in any other media, while in Kenobi they tried to make you emphasize with her just because "ooohh poor girl presenced order 66 and she sad ooohh". Jeez, Cal presenced Order 66, watched his master die, got scarred and lost his connection to the force, and you don't see him chopping of people for stupid reasons
And for those smart guys that come here saying "Actually Vader did much worse and you guys forgive him 🤓" let me remind you Vader had 6 movies in which he appeared, 2 shows (CW, Rebels), many comics, books, videogames... He is literally the main character of the whole Star Wars saga, so you can't come up with that argument because Reva had less than a season while Vader had years and years of lore and backstory that made us truly understand his character
But oh well, Disney will just say that "You guys hate Reva because she is a strong black female 🤓" while completely ignoring the fact Trilla is one of the fan favorites Inquisitors, or Leia is one of the fan favorites in general, or Jyn is one of the most beloved characters who only appeared in one movie... Disney being Disney, I guess
Trilla and Reva are very similar in the way that they’re both tortured and unhinged, but their presentations are what make them feel vastly different.
Trilla looks and feels like a controlled psychopath. Her movements are measured, commanding, and graceful, but distinctly serpentine in a way that feels uncomfortable. Her lines are chilling (one of the best examples being “cracked in an Imperial torture chair”, wherein she sounded legitimately amused while talking about her old master being tortured) and she seems unpredictable despite her collected presentation, like there’s a rabid animal inside of her that’s just straining to be released. And Trilla backs up her image with a real lethality. She casually kills someone within five minutes of being onscreen, excellently assuring her previous threat of summary execution, then proceeds to hunt Cal down throughout the rest of the story like it’s a game to her. She controls every scene she’s in right up to Vader.
Reva looks and feels like she’s trying seem like a psychopath. She oscillates wildly between loud and violent, to calm, to nearly pleading, which could have worked really well with a better setup, dialogue, actress, and environment. Whereas Trilla was unpredictable but controlled, Reva could’ve been unpredictable and wild-both coming off as dangerous in different ways. But instead, we end up with a seemingly whiny, bratty, hapless, blustering child who is undermined by her own colleagues, who doesn’t have her own plans and is loud simply to draw attention.
Part of that isn’t her own fault. Audiences draw enormous amounts of information from background and ambience, so we immediately pick up the phony nature of the set, costumes, and body language. Through these, we’re told that this is an uncanny valley or cartoon, and that we shouldn’t take it-and by extension, Reva-seriously. To an extent, Obi-Wan was a wholesale failure where Fallen Order pretty much nailed it.
I could not agree more with you on this. Let's not also forget to mention how the kenobi series had to steel another scene from fallen order which was escaping from the inquisitor strong hold and Obi Wan has to hold back the water.. just like fallen order, when I watched this scene in kenobi I instantly said to myself... oh ffs 🙈
Fallen Order is such a fantastic game.
Thank you for the great video.
Trilla is SO scary and SO interesting!! I loved learning more about her, she and Cal were the best parts of the game imo
Trilla had a strong one and done story; it feels like they wanted to set Reva up for future installments, make her like a tortured hero, which is funny because she seems to have more haters than supporters. Obi Wan fit right in with the sequel trilogy.
What sequels? Kenobi was S-tier. You're just bad. Skill issue. Cry about it.
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I'd say that the funny thing is, even in Star Wars: Rebels Fifth Brother and Seventh Sister, while they may not necessarily agree all the time, do work together to at least even try to apprehend both Ezra and Kanan. Trilla and Ninth Sister also work together - very briefly - at the beginning scene in Fallen Order to catch Cal. The Grand Inquisitor - in the comics he disagrees with Darth Vader's brutal and cold-blooded tactics to train the Inquisitors as a whole, but he *still* follows through with Vader's orders as he recognizes his position and power over the Inquisitors and second only to the Emperor himself.
And then in Obi-Wan, we get Third Sister - in theory, she's an ideal inquisitor - taken in young, tortured to become a Dark Jedi in the service of the Empire to hunt down the remnants of the Jedi Order - but she doesn't want to work together as she's a bit of a glory hog for her own ambitions - which ultimately cost her in terms of respect with the Grand Inquisitor and Fifth Brother, and who lashes out like a petulant child who doesn't get her way. It just wasn't a good mix as in the Empire, it is all about Order and control - whereras Reva is so chaotic that after her first few "breaking the rules" it probably would've earned her getting executed or her neck snapped by Vader for being too loose a cannon to control.
(Also, unrelated note: while I found the Obi-Wan show to be interesting, I also feel that it completely ruins *the entire reason he's hiding*. He doesn't *want* to be found since if Vader caught even a whiff of where he as, he wouldn't care if Palpatine himself ordered him to cease and desist, he'd tell his Imperial Wrinkledness to shove it up his shebs, he wants Kenobi dead.)
Let's ditch the mask for a sec and actually look at Trilla's eyes. Because the look on her eyes are still kinda' creepy and offputting. So even without her mask she still looks menacing to a certain extent.
Absolutely agree. Trilla unmasked looks incredibly intimidating.
@@khotunkhan3950 My moral compass leaving my body as soon as the Villain is hot
@@khotunkhan3950 "It's okay Cal, nothing to be scared of, just picture her without her mask."
*Trilla unmasks*
"OH NO SHE'S HOOOOOT!"
Something I always found chilling about the scene from fallen order is how similar it seems to how we know nazis operated during the holocaust. Stopping a train because they think there might be jews or someone may be hiding them, with many soldiers present as a gestapo officer questions the passengers. Two gestapo officers walking into a town square and yelling at random people to tell them where the jew is just doesn't feel nearly as threatening.
Thing is, I wholeheartedly believe Moses Ingram would make an amazing inquisitor if the dialogue was better. Her voice is definitely suited to the role and you get those small glimpses of its potential. However, it's squandered like nearly everything in Kenobi
I think it's only her voice though, so have her voice act an Inquisitor in an animated show or a game, and it'd probably be really good, because she doesn't really seem to have much talent for any sort of subtlety or nuance in her facial expressions. It's like the opposite of Giancarlo Esposito, and why he's so good as Moff Gideon. I distinctly remember a few scenes in Kenobi where she's supposed to be deep in thought, but it always looked more like she had just farted and was trying to tell if anyone else could smell it without revealing that she dealt it.
@@caesarin0 put a mask on her and it won't be a problem. Then we can't see that she can barely act.
A good example of one character being just a villain and the other being a super villain. It all comes down to presentation.
Shame how Second Sister was actually cool but died easily and Third Sister was just atrocious but got to live
Reva is just a rehashing of Trilla, Fallen Order did the story first and it was into own thing Reva took over a show that was supposed to be about Obi-Wan
This is a bit irrelevant but I like how the Troopers aren't ordered to take aim they do the thing that Clone Troopers fairly frequently did where their Jedi General would phrase say or phrase something in a specific way and that was enough for them to know to be ready even if just as a precaution, it's a very nice touch that I wish more minions had, not that I mind incompetent idiots that buy too heavily into their leader's infectious confidence.
also, the part where they saw him use the force was a bit daft. it should have been trivially easy for him to
A: flick the weapon away instead of holding it in place like a dope
B: keep his hand beneath the table so they couldn't see it
or C: just not use his hand at all while using the force, since that's definitely something we've seen force users do.
The reason Moff Gideon is an imposing villain, along with other officers, is because of both his actions and his status. With officers like him, even if he does not pose as much of a direct threat, you both have a sea of minions to get through to reach him, and a likely gridlock of circumstances that stop you from killing him even when you have the opportunity. With villains with a face, you come to hate them. With villains with a mask, you come to fear them. Take Trilla, for example. Your hate for her over killing Prauf is overshadowed by your fear of her. But once you learn who she is, and once you see her face, you both identify with her more and are able to hate her more. And that fear of the figure that is the Second Sister? That becomes fear of what the Empire can do to a Jedi, that the Empire can turn them evil, and fear that it may happen to you. A mask is a great tool for invoking primal fear, whereas it does not allow for more existential dread.
On another note, the way Reva was acting they would have killed her off long before adulthood.
Honestly I want more 9th sister content. I really love her as a character
Also, Second Sister is looking directly at Cal the entire time before he even makes a move that reveals that he is who they are seeking.
When you first see Trilla she has an ominous scary presence like Vader. Reva or Reeva (however you spell her name) acts like a 7 year old and is not intimidating at all.
Trilla is an antagonist, Reva is a diversity hire.
From the gutter too. They had to remind us of that.
Really didn’t expect to end up watching the whole thing. Well said, well thought out, well done
Great vid Master Samwise and agreed. I must admit I liked the hand cutting scene for the shock value alone.
Gotta love how the extras in Kenobi don't look afraid, just annoyed like the inquisitors are just a minor inconvenience interrupting their normal routine, lol
Powerfull experienced trained Force users can use Force to cloak their presence. Using Force passively. to listen and feel. Where lesser experienced Force users use Force in active waves which broadcasts their location to other Force sensitives. Like modern submarines remains hidden in depths by using passive sonar. As soon as sub pings with active sonar others become aware of submarine position and depth.
We all know the real reason we love Trilla
I think the biggest issue for me is that in Fallen Order vs Obi Wan, the Obi Wan scene just feels completely contrived. It happens because there's a plot schedule that needs to be followed.
Fallen Order sets it up perfectly by having the arrival be a direct consequence of protag using the force and outing himself.
Both move the plot along but only one actually feels like it was supposed to happen
trilla is an excellent and well written character that perfectly encapsulates what you'd expect in a three dimensional, troubled inquisitor; and riva is riva
There was also a probe droid was around when cal used the force to save his friend but the probe droid wasn’t looking anywhere else than cal so it is possible that the probe droid couldn’t see that cal had used the force. Just a thought
Yeah Giancarlo can make anyone shake in fear just by using his blank empty expression
How the hell does this only have 12 likes? Great video!
How do you not even 100 subs? This video looked and sounded extremely professional!
I wish I came across this video when Kenobi first came out. All Reeva managed to do was remind me of how much I loved Trilla and what a better villain she was. Reeva acts like a cartoon character that should have been in Rebels instead. I hadn't given these two scenes much thought before watching this, but I loved the breakdown and agree with everything you said.
Fallen order is just the best in every single thing, Story telling, Animation, Story line, Charachters, Graphics,Charachter Development.
It is truly the game to exist.
Best game, if you haven't already bought it do it now!
I think Second Sister / Trilla is probably the best written villain we’ve had in Disney Star Wars. Her redeeming and sympathetic qualities are always present, without ever overshadowing the serious threat she poses to Cal (unlike Riva, who feels more like a light switch flipping with her character between evil and “”redeemed””)
I didn’t look at the channel name and I could’ve sworn this was a proper film channel
Congrays
You are a saint for sifting through this garbage and managing to deliver informative, critical analysis that isn't just "DIsnEy bAd!"
Thanks! That's kind of the main goal of my channel.
Anyone writing for Star Wars should be able to learn and sufficiently write the sympathetic dark sider - it has been done several times before, all with unique spins.
Trilla is a great example. But we've also got prominent Sith who have sympathetic elements - Ventress, Maul and his brother Savage, and even Darth bloody Vader himself became a sympathetic dark sider (both in Prequel material, as well as in the OT).
There are so many blueprints to take influence from. Starkiller from the Force Unleashed, Revan from KOTOR...
...Reva has so many things about her that work on their own terms; they do not work together. Her character is confused, and I feel really bad for Moses. She didn't deserve the backlash she received.
[Good video dude]
For me it definitely helped that they didn’t look goofy in Fallen Order. Like how can you take the scene seriously when the grand inquisitor looks the way he does
Great Video !
I really love her design when I first saw her. She looks like a female version of Darth Vader in a way which is very unique uniform for an inquisitor too.
I think the voice of the Trilla (second sister) has a lot of that famous Bo-Katan energy.
I definitely found Trilla's entrance more intimidating than Reva's... however, I personally like how they were both introduced. If every Inquisitor was like Trilla, she wouldn't be unique, so I'm 100% okay with Reva's different temperament. Both were ultimately successful at accomplishing their tasks, weeding out the Jedi they were looking for.
I don't think Reva's "ranting and raving" was pointless. It told me a lot about her character. It told me she was impulsive, careless, and brutish. Most importantly it told me she had something to prove which is a giant part of her story. It told me she had a lot to learn and I like it when a character's introduction has me theorizing where her story might take us. Although I do agree with you on one thing- Reva with a mask would have been more intimidating.
Also, costume design is rarely pointless. The black logo and the grey pants could have been symbolic of Reva's true loyalty not being with the Empire. She was never really in it for the Empire, she was in it for revenge, for herself. Whereas Trilla was fully committed to the Empire. She was willing to do what Vader demanded out of fear, but also likely to spite Cere, who abandoned her. She wears the Empire's symbol proudly because, in her words, "the pain makes me stronger".
Finally, another possible reason why Trilla's entrance was so quick in comparison to Reva's is because... well, Trilla is in a video game. Cutscenes can only be so long before the video game starts to feel more like a movie and players loose interest. It makes sense that her entrance was brief.
Very well-put! I appreciate the criticism. Makes me realize I could spend more time thinking about my analysis before putting it into words.
@@master_samwise But you know, it still is better than Reva's...
Bro how in the world do you only have 900 subs!? Your commentary is amazing!
Thanks, I appreciate it!
Trilla is who I think about whenever anyone mentions the Inquisitors. She was so good.
I genuinely don't mind the concept of Reeva, and her whiny, no discipline or disrespectful attitude, but only on the condition that she gets what she deserves in the end. We are meant to believe Vader takes no disrespect or failure from his enforcers, and he is efficient and ruthless, yet she managed to survive twice, and talk back to him. In comparison, Trilla was terrified of Vader, and once she failed him, was eliminated with little to no effort. It is the overall problem the show had. I enjoyed it, and the scenes establishing Vader's power were raw and emotional, like his fights with obi wan or his fight with Reeva. They just need to make sure every character gets what they deserve, like the several inquisitors, including Reeva, being punished and/or eliminated for their failures and made to fear and respect Vader.
Good analysis. Definitely giving your channel a sub. I hope to see more from you later.
WOW! Excellent video : )
Sad that UA-cam waited six months to recommend this video to me. I think a lot of people would maybe call this video a nitpick, but what they don't realize is that literally every scene in Obi-Wan Kenobi has these exact writing problems. EVERY SINGLE SCENE!
The biggest difference is one knows how to be intimidating the other doesn't and that goes for both the director and actor
Trilla: *an Inquisitor with a tragic backstory and a powerful Dark Side user that felt like she is your rival and your stage/final boss until THE real boss aka Darth Vader shows up*
Reva: KENOBI!!!!
I hope the creators starts watching stuff like this in depth,
3rd sister does shows that she definitely wasn't trained, just a wild dog, and youngling, used by Vader. 2nd sister feels like she knows how to hunt Jedi, and was definitely a Jedi padawan before an Inquisitor
Trilla’s character is just better. Her presence, her arrogance. It just fits better. Everything she says to Cal is meant to unbalance him to either turn or kill him, shes just more interesting. Reva in just about every way is a watered down Trilla.
I lost count the amount of times I said how much better Obi Wan could have been if Reva was replaced by Trilla, and that was the only change to the show. Alas, we had to put up with a villain somehow more whiny and bratty than Kylo Ren.
Also the amount of times she messed up and Vader spared her was so stupid. This was the same guy who he choked through a FaceTime call for merely coming out of hyperspace at the wrong place.
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when i played jediu fallen order i had no idea i would end up actually lkeing the bad guy.the second sister trilla was an amazing character.she actually made you feel for her because of what she went through.she didnt have to suffer as she did but her master gave up the location of her and the others.kind of understand why she was so upset.and while reva the thrird sister may not have had such an impressive back story i still liked her.moses ingram did a wonderful job
solid analysis
Deep dives like this are what make me even more frustrated when people like poorly made things with no question. We can explain at length all the shortcomings and how things could have been written better, but they just go "It was pretty good, i liked it". I think of Ratatouille with Remy trying to explain complex flavor and cooking to his brother Emil who is eating garbage saying to not be picky.
There’s no problem with people liking things you dont
@@ceral1871 as with the ratatouille example, though, there is a problem with people tolerating and even praising garbage.
@@shieldinhand6586 think about it this way, if you like something that is considered bad, and you know it, it's not that it's good, it's that the negatives don't stop you from enjoying the product. The issue is that some people like something that is objectively garbage, and get mad when people say it's garbage. There's nothing wrong with liking a bad film, show, game, etc... people can like what they like. Having fun is the point of entertainment, after all. I still haven't seen all of Kenobi yet, so I can't really speak on this show in particular, but my opinions of the sequel trilogy have become far less harsh over the years. The sequel trilogy wasn't good at all, but I still enjoyed watching them overall, and I think that's what's important. I won't be watching the sequel trilogy for a LONG time though, still can't get over how badly they handled the original trilogy characters in those movies...
Trilla's cold, measured distain is intimidating. Reva's temper tantrums are not.
The difference these two is the difference between loving a franchise first and loving the money you hope it'll get you first.
I love Trilla. She makes a fantastic villain. Part of what makes her great is that she has understandable reasons for what she does.
Second sister just fits in to the game and the story. The game actively made the second sister as a main villain, and a character to look out for and fear. We feel intimidated by her and that’s why we love the character. On the other hand, obi wan kenobi is clearly a show about the connection of vader and kenobi and the painful story of the two. Reva is added in for no reason, if you take her out of the story there is no difference. It really feels like a forced in decision just to add another character instead of furthering the story of vader and kenobi
Excellent video!! Right on the mark on all points.
Glad you enjoyed it!
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My issue is that she’s too emotional making her not scary. What makes Vader and Trilla scary is how calm they are and on the rare occasion you see them lose that control and get angry creating an uncertainty of what’s to come and it is also showing you who they really are and their true intentions in the scene or the overarching plot.
Strong emotions like anger make characters scary when they rarely show it. It also makes characters look weak when they are shown too much
Trilla had the benefit of a badass mask, too.
the thing about giancarlo esposito as moff gideon is that the man has the uncanny ability to wear his own face like a mask. This means that, whenever you see giancarlo, where normally you would be reading a face for what's going on you instead get something which you keep wanting to read and trying to read but cannot actually be read.
This video perfectly describes the two series!