Sadly I doubt it. Especially with the global supply still in jeopardy due to the deteriorating relationship between China and Taiwan. In three years it'll be cheaper for sure, but you'll have the budget gamers fighting over it on the used market and driving up the price
@@shreyaspimpalkar2667 i mean, linus does mention that in his cyberpunk videos, how typically games only get played on max settings years after they come out.
What I'd realy love in these comparisons is the inclusion of older cards, like a gtx 970 or gtx 1060 or something. It helps to put into perspective what many people stuck on older cards can expect to see if handing over the readies for a GPU upgrade. Many of us are still stuck on older cards and figuring out the most cost effective upgrade path is bloody hard!
might wanna check Hardware Unboxed for that, they made a great full comparison of this GPU with other new and older Gen cards ua-cam.com/video/kXGnLjwbOBY/v-deo.html
My disappointment comes from realizing the fact, that the newer gpu models hardly surpass previous generations. The processing nodes are smaller, thus actually enabling higher efficiency i.e. more performance per watt. But instead we see top tier GPUs with even more electric power hunger. The same goes for dead baked, upheated x86 cpus. This is insane. I wished, we gamers had something similar like apple's efficient M1 but open source based with a similar Rosetta 2 compatibility layer for x86 legacy. This is, what i would actually like to see in the next versions of the steam deck. If we embraced something similar like floss in Gnu Linux but for chips, we were no slaves to serve three main corporations anymore, who divide up the market among each other and artificially keep chip prices high by keeping the chip outputs to low contingents. They could have served gamers with affordable formidable mid tier gpus since a long time already. But instead they preferred to sell attractive chips to miners first for years. And what they do offer us now, is, expressed in mild words ... suboptimal.
My whole thing above which is all about what is considered a bad framerate now? i grew up with 24fps being fine and 60fps being arcade gold standard that looks amazing. i ran GTA5 on 720p high settings on dual 260GTX's couple of years back and it ran and looked great.
@@joesterling4299 I have it and it even does surprisingly well at 1440p in most games that I play. Manages around 60fps at med-high settings and even max in certain games.
Coming from the newest RTX 3050 video, it should probably be noted that this video is about the RTX 3050 with 8GB of VRAM, and not the 2024 RTX 3050 with 6GB of VRAM. @LTT maybe an update to the video title could clear things up here!
One of the only good parts about the current situation is you'll be able to claw back at least some of your costs as people will pay you more than it's worth for your old 1050.
@@willn8664 if your playing e sports titles its enough, i have a 1050 ti myself and i can say it cannot keep up with any of the new games i want to play, all lowest settings in valhalla is 30-40 fps and others.
To the person who decided to highlight the card you are talking about, well done. It makes following the discussion nice and easy. Give him a office award, or more money :)
They really need to standardize this in their videos. Some editors do it, some don't , some put the subject card at the top, some in the middle, some put them in result order. It's annoying to have to pause the video and find the video subject, be it a GPU, CPU, or even an SSD, on the chart.
Yes, It was surprising to me how easy to follow what Anthony said. I didn't have to search for the card he was talking about. Absolutely great feature.
It’s most likely a company who edits the videos. Therefor random people who edit each one. Unfortunately I don’t think they’d be able to pinpoint who to give the bonus too.
I own an rtx 3050 it was my first gpu in my first pc and considering a few months ago I was going to pay more for a 580 or 1060 I am so happy I got such an amazing card
It's a good card that unfortunately also got hit with the RT tax and chip shortage/mining issues. If the price is right it's still a better card than what can be offered at all.
@@akellerseattle you could when it launched, or at least the KO version. You are better off buying an used 1070 or 980 than this thing. DLSS and RTX is all the card has going for it and still performs the same than 5 years old cards.
You can technically sell it for more nowadays. And you basically get a free 3 years of usage out of it if you do. You will end up with no card at all, but hey
@@ArchusKanzaki Sadly not in my area. Most GPU prices are pretty normal here, which is nice cause I can get a RTX GPU used for a good price, but bad because i can’t afford it anyways lmao
"This card is not bad if you need a GPU today and don't mind 1080p" Me, who plays 720p on all low settings at 40 fps: "Wow this card sounds f'ing god-tier"
Sounds god tier until you look at the price. Prices have leaked... they're around $500. Not so "god tier" anymore. You're better off getting a 6500XT (i can't believe i'm saying this) for half the price even if you do trade off Nvidia tech and encoders. Especially if you have PCIe 4.0 support, the 4 lanes on the 6500XT won't hold it back nearly as much as on PCIe 3.0
There's 0 incentive to solve the pricing situation when stores are happy to offer "refurbished" crap at scalper prices, and AMD/NVidia get to raise their bottomline prices to scalper standards. Whoever fell for the mining/shortage meme being a short term situation is probably learning the lesson right now: if you buy at scalper prices, you standardize scalper prices.
yep the "shortages" are 100% intentional. sure covid surprised and fucked everyone... but that was over 3 years ago. you cant tell me the bleeding edge graphical hardware companies that reacts to new tech within weeks, couldn't adapt in over 3 years.
it seems that people are too riche to care in the first world, if a card is 3time more expensive they will buy it and write somrthing like GPU PRICE ARE SO HIGH ITS HARDER TO BUY NOW XD but they still throw money anyway
@@kodaxmax Everything OP said is true, but the shortages are *absolutely* real. It's absolutely difficult to adapt over 3 years when *everyone* is bottle-necked by one company. It's *all* up to TSMC. They manufacture low-level hardware for *literally* everyone. Auto companies, anyone who makes "smart" devices, phone companies other than Samsung, there are no competitors any more unless you're Samsung or Intel. Nvidia and AMD need to compete with Apple and the auto industry and everyone else for spots in TSMC's production schedule. It isn't just that COVID fucked everyone, it's also that everyone went "gee, seems like we won't need to produce so much" and cancelled a lot of their orders from TSMC. Every competitor has been pushed out of the market by them. Just like most companies now, TSMC has realized that the most efficient way to run is with zero fault tolerance- just the production capacity you need fulfill orders, zero overhead. Fall behind at all and it's like tripping down an infinite flight of stairs. So when everyone realized that they need more of this stuff than ever, all the orders came pouring back in, and TSMC can't fulfill them any quicker than they could pre-pandemic. So they're always many orders behind schedule, and they'll remain many orders behind schedule until they build new factories or someone else steps up. That process is only starting *now* because everyone's extremely weary of building a bigass manufacturing plant to fill demand, only for demand to smooth out (because it isn't *really* much higher) and suddenly your shiny new factory is useless. On top of that, TSMC has said that they're pretty sure some of their customers are hoarding the stuff they produce, which just makes the problem worse. It'd still be there either way, but they're like come on, just order what you need, please. None of this is to say that Nvidia and AMD aren't artificially cranking prices up. They *absolutely* are. They're able to do that because demand is so high across the board and people keep buying the cards anyways, because people are dumbasses. But it's not because the chip shortage is some big conspiracy.
@@colbyboucher6391 Not only are you completly right, but also even if they wanted to build new factorys, one of the only companies that can build the photolithography systems required for modern chips is ASML, and I am sure they are completly booked out as well.
Id like to see how these cards stack up the the ones were clinging to, the 980s, 1070s, and 580s of the world that likely perform just as good or better. Im looking to find out what the bare minimum is that will be any kind of improvement over this SC 1070
@@jjbarajas5341 The future is not with rtx 3050 tho, since it's basically a 1070 with ray tracing, and we can both guess how bad it will run games with rtx on.
@@yiannis777-l9c DLSS is more useful on this thing than ray tracing for sure. It'll make AAA games more playable at certain settings and allow you to stretch that card a few years, especially with the 8 GB of VRAM, encoding and four display outputs. 6500 XT is basically DOA in comparison.
Hi! I love your coverage of this and loved the highlighting of the cards you're talking about. I will say, maybe it'll be valuable to include a GTX1060, 1070, or 1080 in the results so people two gens behind can see how much of a relative difference new tech comes. I feel like people upgrading to 30 series aren't on 20 series, but 10, or even 9.
I must say I find it somewhat ironic that the only way to use your service is if you're using a big data collectors email service. Don't get me wrong, I get why, that's simply how you cover the most people but it's still ironic.
Yeah, even before the covid madness, GPU prices were going up, and not by a little. You were once able to get the top of the line GPU for like 300-350$, lol
@@bassdrop001 hes right. 10 years ago the price for a top of the Line nvidia gtx680 cars was 500usd… It’s Been a long time since top of the Line cards was 300-350
I really hope the GPU situation improves going into the rest of this year, especially if the RTX 4000 series does launch this year like the rumors are indicating.
It won't! Even as manufacturers increase capacity, demand is still spiking and prices hikes from key supply chain partners (e.g. semiconductor foundries) will push up rrp. The US China trade war continues to disrupt supply chains and will further restrict how fast supply can expand to meed demand. You also have a lot of competition for silicon - and its not just miners. The "internet of things " continues to push demand up from every corner imaginable, from smart carts to smart fridges and even god damn smart vibrators. It will continue to 2023 at least, and even then expect rrp to rise even if there are enough gpus to meet demand...
The RTX tax reminds me of baggage charges on flights. You used to get checked bags free. When fuel was expensive they introduced fees and when the price of fuel went down it never went away.
In 1902 the German Empire introduced a tax on sparkling wine, initially meant to finance his majesty's, Kaiser Wilhelms, navy. The Kaiser and his navy are long gone and Germany is a republic now, but guess what remained until today, raking in about half a billion dollars annually... A tax once introduce will never go away! That's why I'm afraid the "RTX-tax", the "mining-tax" and the "supply-shortage-tax" are also here to stay even after all of those issues are resolved. Nvidia and AMD tasted the sweet blood of price gouging, now they won't easily part from their huge profit margins - unless Intel can actually do something about it. We can only hope!
@@nicoj9984 This will be/should be solved by supply and demand. If chip manufacturers can make more GPU's in the near future, at a certain point there will be more graphics cards than people want to buy (at that inflated price) so prices will HAVE to go down. As there are (soon) 3 players in that market, it only takes one of them to lower their prices and the others have to follow. There's no reason to artificially keep your prices high, because that will simply mean you sell nothing and earn nothing. These companies keep their prices "as high as what the people want to pay for it".
The difference is flight prices have absolutely dropped since then, just the trend of unbundled fees continued in the airline market. Tickets are way cheaper than they once were, but everything from baggage to food to seat choice is unbundled from that cost.
@@EoRdE6 I suggest using fare detective to research historic flight prices. Flight prices adjust based on supply and demand and they're lower now (since 2016, actually) due to reduced demand. Otherwise, they didn't drop.
@@RaceSimCentral adjust for inflation and you'll find they are far lower despite the fact that prepandemic flying was at an all time high breaking records every year.
with the current state of gaming, this is why emulation has boomed. New games and new releases just don't catch on with the public or hang around like they used to. When I look at Twitch it becomes more clear than ever how the state of modern gaming has died, it's the same titles from generations ago and nothing from this generation has caught on
@@urlond9371 I was about to say that, I used FSR and CAS upscaling before that on my 1650 Super and could game at "4k" lol. Plus there's a general scale-and-sharpen option in GeForce Experience to help with games that don't come with any of those options.
I got an OC model 2060 Super on sale for almost this price shortly after they launched. Crazy how much prices have jumped. New cards just don't seem to be a good value anymore.
I picked up a 2080 Super a month before the 30 series launched, for around $500. Place I bought it from were "Clearing out old stock before the launch" Little did we all know
First, this GPU can't be found right now so no one really knows what it's going to cost. When the 6500 XT was launched, it was available for a short time at about $300 USD. But now you can actually get some different models for about $260, AND it's still available. A point I was challenged on for the 6500 XT review is if the MSRP now reflects that 25% tariff. Well, if you can now buy a 6500 XT for $260, and a 25% tariff would take a $200 cost up to $250, then apparently the price is baked into the MSRP. Why? Answer follows. Global inflation is adding 15 - 20% to production costs. Then, EU countries have a 20 - 25% VAT on certain imports, and GPUs from China, where over 90% of ALL GPUs come from fall into that list. And then the US added a 25% tariff on many products coming out of China, and this also affects Canada as Linus discussed back in Feb 2021 on a video from LTT. This tariff went into effect Jan 1, 2021, so it makes the cost of a new GPU ridiculous, and a budget GPU is now a bad buy. Really bad. If you don't have the money to buy a high quality GPU and pay the insane price, and you need to buy a budget GPU, you're better off getting an APU. Sorry, new world unless you want the stripped down 6500 XT. Once again there are no RTX 3050s to be found. I doubt you'll be able to find one for less than $350 USD. AMD has succeeded in putting out something scalpers are hesitant to buy up. This GPU? It's going to be a BIG target. I doubt the 6500 XT will come down below $250 USD because of added costs as discussed below. The RTX 3050? Good luck finding one. Scalpers have sold about 50,000 Nvidia 3000 series GPUs through ebay and StockX already, and because this is a low cost GPU, it will be targeted like crazy, just like other low cost PC parts have been. www.pcmag.com/news/scalpers-have-sold-50000-nvidia-rtx-3000-gpus-through-ebay-stockx Yes Anthony, almost all GPUs come out of China. The other place they come out of is Taiwan, but it's a small percentage. Nvidia even talked about this in an appeal to Biden to drop tariffs on GPUs, and those tariffs ARE baked into the MSRP. They have to be now. If they weren't you'd see too much of a price difference for NEW products. In fact this product proves that 25% tariff is baked into the MSRP: www.newegg.com/asus-radeon-rx-6500-xt-dual-rx6500xt-o4g/p/N82E16814126553?Description=6500%20XT&cm_re=6500_XT-_-14-126-553-_-Product And, ASUS GPUs come out of China. So if it's right at MSRP it probably means they've been able to produce it for a low cost and they're selling it for under MSRP, but after price increases elsewhere in the supply chains, it's back at $200 USD as discussed below. The tariffs weren't baked in to MSRP back in 2020, because the tariff in the US wasn't in effect at that time. It had gone into place, but was held off by Trump, and I assume it's because he didn't want to lose the 2020 election because EVERYONE being mad at him for so much inflation? Instead he delayed it to after the election, Jan 1, 2021, and Biden decided to keep them in place so HE could be blamed for all the inflation, because he's an idiot. gizmodo.com/nvidia-asks-biden-admin-to-exempt-graphics-cards-from-t-1848158150 www.pcmag.com/news/will-the-tariffs-on-graphics-cards-lift-soon-eh-it-may-be-a-while www.pcmag.com/news/prices-for-graphics-cards-and-motherboards-go-up-as-us-tariffs-kick-back And why is pricing still a bit over MSRP? Not because of the 25% tariff which is already baked into the MSRP. It's because EVERY point in the supply chain, shipping from China, getting GPUs to suppliers and retailers because of how much more truckers have to be paid because the US is short about 40,000 truckers, and retailers are paying 25 - 50% more for their employees. You also have the issue where different makers of GPUs have different costs, and probably most have more costs than what AMD goes by in setting it's MSRP. For sure premium GPUs such as PowerColor are going to cost more, by a bit. www.cnn.com/2021/05/29/economy/truck-driver-shortage-pay-hikes/index.html www.businessinsider.com/trucking-shortage-transportation-inflation-high-transportation-costs-through-year-2021-5#:~:text=A%20shortage%20of%20semi-conductors%20to%20build%20new%20trucks,and%20houses%20have%20all%20become%20more%20expensive%20lately. sharerig.com/blog/the-trucking-industry-faces-massive-shortages-of-drivers-in-2022 www.cnbc.com/2021/11/19/surging-shipping-costs-to-drive-consumer-price-inflation-unctad-says.html Amazon is paying 50% more than before Covid started, going from about $12/hr to $18/hr for warehouse workers as an example, and newegg and EVERY brick and mortar retailer in the US that's going to carry computer parts is dealing with higher wages. qz.com/2060508/what-amazons-18-average-hourly-wage-means-for-other-employers/#:~:text=Amazon%20is%20raising%20its%20average%20hourly%20US%20wage,increased%20demand%20for%20online%20goods%2C%20fueling%20Amazon%E2%80%99s%20business. So every point in the journey of getting a GPU from China to the consumer costs more, and companies have to make a profit, and don't want to accept smaller margins. So all the companies along the supply chain including the retailers are taking more money, and it's bringing the price up quite a bit from MSRP. That's why a $200 MSRP GPU is selling for $260. Some of these companies are certainly charging more than they should, but to be fair the market is so unstable that these companies are trying to figure out what their new costs should be. This markup is going to affect the low cost items more than an expensive product, especially on shipping where shipping an expensive GPU isn't much different than shipping a cheap GPU.
@@WickedRibbon I was challenged in the past about things I've said especially about the tariffs affecting the new MSRPs. I felt it necessary so I don't have to keep responding to people who don't keep up with the news.
Considering the 1060 is STILL the #1 most common video card, it's really disappointing that LTT doesn't include it in benchmarks anymore. 1660 is great and all, but there are 4x as many 1060's in use than 1660s (at least according to steam survey). Please bring this card back to your benchmarks for those of us who are still stuck on the 1060.
@@zxbryc What does that have to do with anything? If you're comparing performance of graphics cards it's dumb not to include THE most commonly used graphics card in metrics. The 1050ti or it's relative performance to the 1080 have nothing to do with it.
@@ignitionnight The GTX 1660 IS a GtX 1060. The difference between the 2 GPU is simple. The 1060 is built around the Nvidia GP106 when the 1660 is built around the TU106. But the problem was ... Nvidia stopped the production of the GP106 when Turing was released so, to keep purpose this middle card, they used the TU106 and removed the RT and Tensors cores to offer the same performance and cost of the GP106 ! So basically, a GTX 1660 IS a GTX 1060 ... It's just not the same GPUs bases, but there is no difference between the 2 models in the end. (PS: Sorry, I'm not really fluent in english ... >
I didn't know how close they were, thank you for the information. However, they do not perform the same, the 1660 is a higher performing card in most if not all circumstances that I've seen. The differences in benchmarks are small, but consistently favor the 1660 in every single test.
Anyone remember being so burdened with GPU choice at a microcenter that they had to go home and think about their choice before going back to the store to purchase it? Pepperidge farm remembers.
6500XT are available here for 299€ right now. Not many, but they are there. I'd expect the 3050 to be 450+ (maybe even 500+) based on current prices for 3060 cards. So the "only 50$ difference on list price" will unfortunately not relevant.
That's what we fear. And since he didn't show mining results with the cards worries me, maybe the card is good enough and will be scalped and also mined.
The 1660 super was the greatest price to performance gpu to date until the shortage costing 249 dollars. If you get a 3050 for 249 dollars its just a newer 1660 super with better raytracing support.
@@wasayurrehman8240 had 2 470's in SLI a very long time ago with my I7 970 then went to 660 to 970 then I upgraded to I7 4790 970 failed went to 1050 TI then to 1660 super. still use the 1050 TI in my old build with a I7 4790 and the 1660 super in my new build with a I5 11500K. gave the 470's to a friend that got my old I7 970 and the 660 sits on shelf and still works the 970 sadly spit sparks last year.
Sad as it is, I am seriously considering to retire my old gaming PC and get a PS5 for the next few years. I've been wanting to upgrade for a while now, but the prices are just insane and as Anthony said, there is no end in sight. For the first time ever, consoles make more sense to me than a gaming PC from a price / performance ratio.
Sony already has all my game licenses so I might as well invest in a ps5 vs a gpu anyway. Come join us on the dark side bud haha pc master race will be ok.
@@tecnicalk Yes, but not as much. Check the console stock check streams vs GPU stock check. (Console: ua-cam.com/video/JaZjaJARu24/v-deo.html GPU: ua-cam.com/video/P1pUkhX4PKg/v-deo.html) The XBox Series S is actually in stock right now from pretty much every major retailer. GPUs are still selling for double MSRP and are out of stock everywhere.
@@tecnicalk Sure it does, but the console makers aren't selling consoles to make money, they're selling consoles to sell their games. They will more than happily take a loss on the price of a console in order to get you in their ecosystem buying their first party titles and their MTX. The difference with PC is that the GPU and 3rd party board manufacturers along with the retailers selling the cards have no skin in the game after the first buyer takes the card off their shelf. This puts them in a position to exploit the high supply and low demand while Microsoft and Sony will happily sell you a console cheaper than a high performance GPU.
192bit memory bus on the 2060 vs 128bit memory bus on the 3050. The 1050ti is probably the last video card that should have ever had a 128 bit memory bus. XD
@@lordadz1615 gpu's are planned and designed a long time in advance, the 2060 seems like a pretty quick decision considering they didnt know the shortage would happen, so I doubt it.
I mean on one hand, it's obviously a budget gpu. On the other hand, for people like me still running stuff like a GTX 960, its a huge upgrade and I'm gonna go for it
@@Daniel-dj7fh I suppose that's what people wanted as a meaningful upgrade for it to be atleast that good. Similar to how the 2080ti is basically a 3070
I had a friend recently upgrade his pc. Hes pretty lay with all this, hes one of those that kinda just thinks if its more expensive its better. He bought a new gpu for 400$ and it wasnt till i came over a few days later when i pointed it out, he infact bought a worse gpu than what he had, and had no idea LOL
yep, similar situation with a friend a couple weeks ago who got excited about the 3050 announcement thinking he could finally upgrade his 1070. I told him it would be a side-grade at best, and it looks like I was right.
Man getting my 1660 Ti right before the pandemic really was a blessing in disguise.. Holy.. Overclocked it's a more efficient 2060 KO sans RT, which I definitely don't care for, and it's still holding up vs new 30 series cards? (until VRAM runs out anyway..) I was really hoping nVidia would've blown this generation out of the water.. Across the board, not just the high end
i got the 1080rtx and now im in europe and forgot to put my PC in the container with all my belongings, I am super happy with the 3050.. mind you I paid nothing for it here in italy since italy is extremely poor when u are southern/central based ... the North is a whole different story and are rich like Canada/America/UK , but people forget how theres more than 120million here alone and can hardly afford electricity let alone a proffesionnal gamer PC... I am happy with this card as I paid for a prebuild for under 1000Euro and performs as well as myy PC I got a few to4 years ago while living in Canada, and saved well over $1000CAD for a PC i cant tell which is better... people trash this card but its fairly priced now around central/south Italy at least and have to say im super happy with it..... but thats because I cant afford to spend another 2500~ or more on a computer ... as most the world cant. And that extra 50$ is an extra 50$ to people here thats a lot..... feel blessed with any gaming rig especially any decent NVIDIA card in example the 1060 Ti or my 1080 RTX... I was afraid this card would suck... and it doesnt - its a great affordable GPU for those who are poor. People in gaming community are so "rich" aka lots are given these by family if you're under 30 and complain. Agreed though I wish 3series no matter what card should blow others out the water but its all marketing. Sadly. Great comment and dont bash this card just yet once new ones come out more and more and are much more expensive! its only a year its out and those who own or owned one seem to have nothing bad to say about the 3050... Videos like this where the one talking is talking about "well ONLY an extra 50-100$ more" is a lot to most regular folk around the world.... its not JUST a little extra to all of central/southern italy. Here every dollar truly counts.... as its very very poor (Yes NA/UK italy isnt all glamorous as movies make it out to be , when it comes to the central/south of italy.) I got a whole prebuild for under 1k Euro and Im very happy with it with a 3050 as a GPU, I saved well over $1000 dollars ie to my previouds build,,,,,,, this was amazing and to me indistiguishable from this build to my last. Thank you 3050 for saving lots of $ for me personally and letting me game for a very fair price. Lesson of the story..... dont forget your PC at a friends when going back to italy LOL
If you already have a good graphics card from the last 4 years then there is really little reason to upgrade for the forseeable future. Because top-teir cards are so expensive relatively few people have them compared to previous generations. This, in turn, means the game developers won't raise the performance requirements of their games until prices come back down to earth and more people can afford new cards.
It's true. I have a 1050ti that I got 4 years ago and would really like to upgrade at this point, but the price to perfomance comparison to newer cards has that plan dead in the water. As I play newer games it seems like it doesn't matter much. At 1080p my card can run most modern games on high graphics settings at a decent framerate. So I think I'm content to wait another year or two to see if the market changes both on the games software side and graphics hardware side before investing in something newer.
@@KyriosHeptagrammaton Depends, we'll have to wait and see of course but RDNA2 looks very promising given what AMD has stated the performance will be like, so you could possibly get an entire new system for the price of a mid-tier GPU which has integrated graphics competitive with modern low-end GPUs.
I feel the same way about my 1070. At 1080p it's holding up with 60fps in everything out there right now (other than RDR2) with very few settings turned down to high from game to game.
After reading through the comments section and watching this, it seems the general consensus is that there is no need to buy for the current prices if one has a decent card. In that case, if this is the general attitude that consumers have rn, having finally realized that buying an overpriced card makes no sense, it seems to me like we might finally see a gradual price drop.
@@asiannation-4559 AMD's RX 6000 series is literally more expensive than nvidia's rtx 3000 series here in my local market for some reason I am literally holding out with all of my sweaty hands here trying to search for upgrades for my long overdue gaming pc lmaaoooo
I agree, I was playing 1080p on my $215 7850 10 years ago. I think the biggest difference today are the crazy framerates everyone wants to play at. We weren't playing at 1080p 100 fps back then, we targeted 60.
It's not like games aren't more demanding now than they were 10 years ago. People want higher res, better looking games and faster framerates all at the same time.
@@MultiZymethSK the demand for over 100fps is stupid and ridiculous. 1440p, 4K and higher details at 60-120 fps depending on game type make actual sense.
Benchmarks like this make me realize that I'm really not missing out by not having an RTX card since I couldn't care less about raytracing, and the performance of a 20 or 30 series RTX isn't that much better than my 2-3 year old 1660ti.
tbh, i always turn off ray tracing for my 2060. RTX brings down the FPS so much that the RTX aesthetic gain isn't worth it to me. I really want a 3050 to replace the 1050 in one of my rigs, and I expect I'd be turning RTX off on the 3050 as well.
@@eric-. I'd probably be in a similar situation. Not to mention raytracing isn't very impressive compared to current lighting techniques. But yeah, the performance hit would cause me to turn it off, and at that point, why waste my money on an RTX card until they have remarkably better performance than a 1660? The gains in recent generations have been slightly incremental at best.
@@gamesjunkie DLSS would be one reason to upgrade, however with current prices that alone wont sell anybody on it, i got lucky with a 3080TI for msrp a while back and while RT is still in its infancy there are games slowly popping up that do utilize it very well, for example look at Doom Eternal and the Metro Exodus enhanced edition where they completely redid the lighting to utilize RT to its fullest, thats why most current games that implement it as a afterthought fall short since it wasnt build from the ground up with it in mind and got added more as a hey look our game supports RT buy us... also i will say there seems to be quite a big difference in the 2xxx RT implementation and 3xxx implementation from what ive seen from friends pc's and such my 3080ti is a absolute monster of a card, but honestly at current prices (2500 euro) in my country is just completely bonkers
i thought the same until i booted up control on my new 3090 and kept spooking myself due to my character being reflected in windows with 100% accuracy. The performance fpswise is as you said not amazing usually, but it does shin VRAM intensive games and media programs like the adobe suite.
I just built a custom gaming PC with a RTX 2060, I totally regretted after hearing the release of the 3050 but after seeing it's performance compared to it I'm okay now...
@@korpse69 depends on how good the 4000 series is, but he probably made a good purchase on the 2060. most likely 4000 series will be scalped, and won’t have the performance difference that’s worth upgrading
I was thinking about getting this card to replace the RTX 2060 in my living room VR PC, but after seeing these numbers, I think I'll stick with what I have.
If anything ur downgrading lol . I think the 2060 in some cases was priced the same as the 3050. Feel like ltt giving too much credit to the 3050 when it doesn't deserve it
Are we going to talk about how the 6600 performed so well against the 3060 though? For so much cheaper, that’s insane! Obviously yeah, it has recording encoder prioritization and less RT capabilities, but $550 on eBay compared to nearly $200 more on the same site is quite the difference which I find worth it.
@@wolfshanze5980 yeah true, but if you want to buy a 3060 right now off of ebay, compared to a 6600 right now... Plus MSRP for both cards are the same.
@@wolfshanze5980 "patience pays off" well yeah but if you can get a good card without having to be "patient" that's better. Right now a 6600 is very easy to get a good price vs 3060, and requires no or little patience. So for someone wanting to upgrade now it is a no brainer option as long as you can afford it and it's a step up from your current.
One thing that doesn't seem to come up very often is the effect that the death of GPU mining would have on supply. If GPU mining really did die out, the number of cards we have seen being hoarded would hit the used market, and that would definitely force prices back down for both new and used cards. Even if production costs are still up when the miners started to sell off their cards, supply and demand always wins.
@@TheTurnipKing No doubt. But all of the other scenarios that are listed for the possible improvements to supply are just educated guesses as well. If eth goes to proof of stake as soon as they claim, there’s probably going to be a LOT of 30-Series hitting the market. Even if they are older by the current standards when it occurs…. just look at how much good a flood of 580’s and 1060’s could do right now.
@@JavanVandeSlunt if not ETH, then some other crypto might rise like TON coin or something. So maybe the crypto thing is unfixable until all the places with cheap electricity ban it
@@bullshitdepartment this depends on how many people jump on the bandwagon. And even then, the token would have to be profitable enough to pay the bills first and then for itself in a reasonable amount of time, which is important because of how volatile crypto is. Some might try doing that but in the end they'll be forced to sell off their supply.
@@bullshitdepartment ETH is currently in the process of transitioning to a proof-of-stake system, which would completely eliminate the need for mining. I don't know how long the changeover will take, but when it happens, those miners will have to find something to do with all their hardware...
Can't believe the 1660 super I bought a few years ago is still such a competitive card still. I got it for a ridiculously low price just before the big inflation sensation.
if youre talking raw performance yea totally, but you leave out some if not most of the newest features, i doubt you care - hell i doubt most people care
Honestly, in this chip shortage, I would have never done shit like this. They went from 3 cards with 2 different chips, to ELEVEN cards with 2 different chips. NVIDIA executives know exactly what they are doing, but it's fine because they just got their end-of-year multimillion dollar productivity bonus that allowed them to buy an apartment in central LA to store their shoes.
@@jesusbarrera6916 No, what I mean is: When you process a waffer, not all the silicone comes out perfectly, you then can either trash the imperfect ones or reuse them for lower-end hardware. This happens with CPUs (celeron cpus, for example). I think the same happens with GPUs. So having multiple cards probably means they are trying to get as many cards out of each waffer,.
@@TheDmNtd the difference between these cards is the memory and the amount of tensor cores they have. The chipset is pretty much the same. A 3080ti and a 3080 have the same chipsets with the same code, same architecture, same topology. The only thing that changes is that one has the 3080ti has more tensor cores and more memory.
This video is an amazing overview of everything going on at the moment. Really great work. Console price to performance high as hell, GPU prices x2-3, manufacturers not returning to old prices, cashgrab cards (new 3080), cards not comparing to their old gens. It's a sad time to be a PC gamer and I don't think it's going to improve for a few years.
It'd be comparable to a 1070 in certain games (Depends on settings) based on the fact that it either exceeds or close to a 1660Ti which again is within 5-10% of a 1070. 1080? No chance, but a 1070? pretty close, add an OC should be same if not better, and with DLSS should be a good deal
Only really seems to be worth the upgrade money (factoring in selling your current card) from a 1050. Too much of a hassle from a 1060, too similar to a 1070, almost always slower than a 1080... bummer.
Lol its easy to see that you're being scalped at the source here xD RTX 3050 is barely better than the old GTX 1060 6GB. We're not making much progress in the GPU sphere price to performance wise.
@@scroopynooperz9051 RTX 3050 is way faster than the GTX 1060. I don't know where you're getting your information, but is wrong as hell. OptimumTech RTX 3050 has a comparison with the GTX 1060. It's nearly 2x faster than the GTX 1060.
@@jasonhurdlow6607 Well yeah the 1060 is slower than a 1080ti (I have both). Just would be interesting comparing them to the 3050 as the 1060 is still the most popular GPU and the 1080 ti is still pretty popular and many people have hung onto it. Myself included.
@@saricubra2867 I just watched some benchmark videos for the 1080 ti vs both of these cards. What's odd is that whatever settings that was done for the testing the 1080 ti if its using less vram than either card it will get roughly 5-10 frames less at 1440p but when it uses a bit more it pulls ahead by 10-15 fps. I might need to pick up one of these cards at some point because it seems kind of odd.
I currently have the 3050 and honestly I love it, I don’t play to many AAA games and when I do it actually performs good, I had an 1650 super and I was ready to buy a newer card but didn’t want to spend $400+
Came to comment this. I was in the market for a new card and bought a 3050 to upgrade my 1650 Super as well. I quite enjoy my new card! I was stunned by what it can do for 4k output.
@@SickNick08: I'm a little jealous. The super is a fair bit better than my Zotac blower type 2070. Although, I got this card in a Newegg deal on a complete PC including an I7 and 16 gigs, 1TB Hdd and 256 Ssd with a 650 PSU for $1200 to my door. Can't barely purchase a 3070 in any flavor for those numbers today! It's a sad, sad time for us enthusiasts out there. Cheers 🍻.
@@Finite-Tuning I get updates when they go on sale but never make it in time. Hell, people who are on the website at the time and watch it go live can't even get them in time before bots. Sometimes I just stare at them
7:00 The ever-increasing price tag reminds me of how insane flagship (and not-so-flagship) phone prices have become, and how if you spent 350 USD on a decent phone 6 years ago, you can expect the same market segment phone for 550 all too often.
@@user-xg6zz8qs3q The point I was trying to make is that phones belonging to the same category have become pricier - just as how graphics cards have (even before the current price hike). And sure, I can get cheap phones (with all their drawbacks), but I mean mid-range has become considerably more pricey, as have flagships.
I bought a rx580 in early 2019 for $180 msrp. Still using it today and it still gets me at least 60fps in all but the most demanding games. Being that I mostly play first person shooter games, and I only have a 75hz monitor anyways, the 580 is still doing totally fine for me. Assuming it doesn't randomly kick the bucket, I think I'll try to hold onto it until the shortage ends, then go big on my next upgrade. If the market is still garbage in 2-3 years, oh well, what's the difference in getting ripped off in 2022 and getting ripped off in 2024 lol.
Id love to see you guys test laptop cooling pads to see whats good and what isnt. Gaming laptops are gaining popularity with GPU prices being so high, so itll be good info for the public to have.
I paid 139 for an 8Gb RX 570 in 2019 (Black Friday). It may be the last GPU that I ever buy new. For the money that I put away for a GPU, I bought 2 electric guitars, a good fender amp, and 5 effects pedals.
One thing that could have been mentioned in the section about prices not going back to how they were, is that the new low to even mid range could be taken up by better apu's.
Just as an fyi for anyone who needs to hear it but: anyone claiming prices will never go back to normal almost always have some sort of stake in the product. Its just fomo pushing bs tbh. The prices will def go back to normal. Just not any time soon.
I'm just glad I picked up a 1070gtx back when it launched. It's starting to show its age, but barely. Having 8gb vram was a luxury back then, but it has become the standard now.
My EVGA 1070 SC runs at 2100mhz 65° stable with a high fan curve. It keeps up with the 3050 fps wise. Best card I've owned and the best looking by far.
>was a luxury >what was RX 480 8gb On nVidia cards maybe. It was already standard on AMD it's just nVidia likes to put the new standard only on their thousand dollar 80tis for what will be standard later. Meanwhile their regular 80 cards they like to put just the barest minimum VRAM for that gen until next gen, like the way they put 3.5gb on 970 and 4gb on 980, or how they put 6b on 980ti and later on 1650, 2060, and 1060 it was 6gb whereas 1070 had the newest standard already established across the AMD cards. Kinda like how the 2080ti got 11gb, which 10-12gb was clearly going to be the new standard for 4k, and is why everyone made fun of the 3080 because they put just barely enough VRAM on it to be "fine" for the next two years of its service until 10gb clearly showed it's not enough at 4k. It's just something I always hated about nVidia's skeezy marketing practice. We overlooked it when they delivered real performance at least, but lately not so much imo. 16gb is going to be standard at 4k. 8gb is the standard 1080p/1440pish VRAM. 6gb should be mostly fine for 1080p, mostly. Unless it's super new. It's not it's just cheap and lazy to me but deliberately done to make overpriced hardware age faster so you're pushed to being like an iShit buyer trapped in a marketing cycle loop than just have something to last you. It's one reason I tend not to look beyond 70ti cards because they usually last long enough to be okay for years, without instantly going obsolete or costing a used car.
It’s not even exciting anymore when they release a budget card, because we all know scalpers will hoard every single one and resell it more like 100% more
But tech youtubers said you would be an idiot to buy an RTX card! Why didnt you listen? You could have a 1060 still and upgrade later... Man you missed out, bet it's tough having a relevant GPU these days.
Me with my 2080 honestly and I thought I paid too much with it at MSRP before the shortage. Boy oh boy was I wrong. Gonna make it last time I absolutely can't play at 1080/1440p anymore.
Yep Im also glad I grabbed an RX 5600 XT like 2 months before it all started. A friend of mine wanted to upgrade but kept waiting and now he's still "stuck" on a 1660
I bought a 1080 from one of my friends about a week before the 30 series dropped cause he was gonna buy one of them. He had 2 1080s in SLI. Needless to say, I paid $250 for a card that's going for a lot more these days.
Don’t know what to think. At first few minutes I was very distracted by the speed of what was being said, seemed sped up. Second was saying the 3050 was ok. It’s not ok in the community because it’s not a fix or patch that’s needed. What is needed and never will happen until the crash is a stop in buying junk thrown in our faces. I heard stories that they are buying at wholesale and destroying GPUs to keep market level at high sell rates. China is doing this and I expect the rest of the big three are too, well not like that but giving us garbage chipsets. For me I just stopped buying and making what I have work. Yea it’s not the prettiest or latest but if I can keep this up long enough it will make the point. If enough of us do this it will put the market back in its place and destroy scalpers. Who really needs 5 more fps, that’s not even real anyways. Love your videos.
The gpu "shortage" is a complete scam and even if mining stops today and supply is back up to 100% the prices wouldnt fall because chip manufactureres are making bank. Supply could not be lower but profits could not be higher. Nvidia since the padnemic started has increased their profits from 6.7bill to 7.4 bill so why would the be interrested in lowering their prices?
not just that but retailers also, most retailers in my country have more than a couple dozen in stock of most brands and gpu models, still massively inflated cost though, hopefully we're gonna see drops in prices soon. most of the people who will pay anything for a GPU are hopefully gone and now its people who arent gonna get robbed waiting for prices to drop *cries in gtx 980*
My take on it is that in Australia, when stock drops all the big companies buy them and then sell them later on for like 2700 AUD (3070ti) Which is ridiculous. Some days you can get a get a 3070ti for 700-1000 AUD and some days you get absolutely ripped off by bigger companies. It’s outrageous what’s going on here in aus
i managed to get a 3090 at msrp back in 2021 when i moved to korea.. at first i thought i was lucky to get it at that price. im starting to realize i was lucky to be able to get a card at all
I mean, I have a GTX 970 now. Seems like a solid upgrade, if I can get it at MSRP -- which I could only get with new cards anyway, sadly. The Used Market is borked as well, sadly, so I can't get an RTX 2060 for good money either. Here's to hoping!
@@exodyno I mean, I could get like 50 bucks more if I sold it now than I paid 5 years ago. I think that illustrates just how bad the situation is right now. And just how many people haven't been able to upgrade for _years_
Also have a 970. When I built my system in 2014, I had planned on upgrading it/building a new system when I graduated college. I graduated college in 2020…
Thing is the 6500xt is still relatively easy to buy. Your comment only holds true if Nvidia can remotely hold stock, and they have yet to prove that they can or even want to. This GPU, like the 6500xt, is significantly worse past MSRP
@@genderender Yeah, but bad product is bad. I don't want it even if I can get it at a discount from MSRP. I'll stick to my 1060 if that's my only choice. The 3050 is where I start to pay attention. I'm not rushing out to buy one, though.
@@joesterling4299 if I had a pcie 4 cpu I would definitely have bought 6500xt for msrp (and a not a rupee/dollar more). It still can push past 60 frames on most games at 1080p - there is zero other cards that can do that at it's price range. I thought it was a bad move, but making a gpu deliberately miner unfriendly (probably by mistake than planned) might be the only way it's not treated as a cash making machine
@@joesterling4299 You got tricked by Nvidia marketing then. Current things around the world made the 6500XT "bad" because prices are crazy and people are demanding a ~250$ card. This 3050 CANNOT be profitable at that msrp, comparing the 3050 and the 6500XT because they have the same "msrp" is completely stupid.
6:31 Anthony: "It's the RTX 2050 thatwe never got, with no major drawbacks." Me: Yeah ... but that's literal. It's labelled and priced as a *30* 50. A generation newer. Without the performance that would have beat a 2050, had it existed. It is a literal step backwards, not even looking at the price. WTAF?!
I really liked the flashing highlights on the graphs for the GPU highlighted and it's red counterpart. Im not sure if that's new, but it's the first time I've seen it. It made quickly absorbing the graph (especially at 3x speed) much easier
I refuse to accept that these high prices will hold forever. We're paying ridiculously high prices for low mid range cards. Totally unacceptable and we can't normalize this.
I have wanted a new 75W gpu for low power machines for years now. I thought the 3050 would fill that role, like the 50 cards have historically done. I guess I will have to use my 1050 Ti until the end of time.
I recently bought a laptop with an i5 and RTX 3050. Good laptop, plays everything at 1080p medium to max settings 60+ fps and it has a 144Hz screen. It was about $800. I searched for the 3050 and it's $500 by itself over here. This chip shortage is insane. That GPU is not worth $500. I remember when you could build a $500 PC that plays every game smoothly at 1080p.
@@hyrdie2477 HP Pavilion 15-dk2032nq is the exact model number. i5-11300H, RTX 3050, 8gb ram, 512gb ssd, 1080p 144Hz screen. It's Free DOS though so you'll have to install windows yourself. It was the best laptop I could personally find in the $800-$1000 range. I've had it for a month and I'm very happy with it. I am planning on installing 16Gb of ram in it though, new games max out the 8Gb. And maybe switch out the SSD with at least a 1Tb one since games are getting to 100+ Gb.
Good times... My current PC I've had for 7ish years with a gtx 960 in it and its only in the last year or two really shown its age. Was only $600 not including a monitor. Building a new one soon though, but its costing about twice that lol.
Yay! Another GPU you can’t buy for a non scalper price! What do we do? The reviewers said that we shouldn’t buy the 6500XT, which was available at launch date. These reviewers are Soooo fucking smart, I’m gonna listen to them next time I’m buying something…
I mean you shouldn't buy a 6500xt. Itd available, but only because its an absolute piece of shit that AMD cut and nickel and dimed ever part to fuck over thr consumer.
As a PC gamer with modest expectations, it pains me to say that this generation, it's going to be a good thing that consoles are leading graphics advancements in gaming. Stick to 1080p and get a mid range card and you probably won't need to upgrade your GPU until the PS6 is coming out.
Did you end up upgrading? Because I'm tryna build a vr ready pc solely for vr and was wondering if the 2060 you had was any good I can't search it up because they all say 'get the 3080' wheras I ain't got that sorta money
A very good card for a good price…. *If it wasn’t scaled to high heaven* I’m hoping this thing will be available again at MSRP. Because I want this GPU for a basic setup
man im late, but i got my gtx 1050 for $130 AUD before people started mining and I've been wringing the life out of it for ages but I'm still not even sure I'm ready to upgrade with the prices these days
The 3050 isn't a bad card. My daughter had one in her pc, but we recently switched it out for a 1080. On the couple of games we tested during the swap, they actually performed about the same. On paper the 1080 is a faster card, but the 3050 does a good job with all of the constraints it has built in. Edit: Everybody shits on the 3050, but mark my words it will be the "new" 580. Soon the 3050 and the 5700xt will be the card in every budget gaming PC. Used they go for like $120-$150.
I have a 1080 and got a 3050 here build in Italy and i have to say its a great card for the price i paid today , and its been a year since its release or more... I did worry my 1080 would be better and maybe it is... but again I cant tell and the 1080 is fantastic. So in other words, for the price again i paid here in Italy for really decent/good to great hardware prebuilt - im not complaning at all since i paid about 1000 more in CAD $ - and have better to at least equal performance on this machine...... Im glad they came out with this card. I spent under 1000 Euro for a whole build i paid 2500 for just a few years ago *maybe 4 now?*.... People like to bash those who can afford to and have a silver spoon in their mouths entire lives... truth is globally especially here in my part of italy is EXTREME poverty (yes italy isnt all fancy people.. as people also assume about my country) but again, fantastic card for what I use it for.... my friend has a 3080 but also spent i dont know how much at the time for it... 2 x more than my entire build tho and was shocked how well this performed. Remember those in UK/NA , theres a whole word out there that cant afford the extra 50$ even let alone hundreds for just 1 part in a whole PC. Great comment and agreed!
@@guyterrifico8293 I recently grabbed a 5700xt from AliExpress for $130. It's also an excellent card. It actually runs cooler than my 6650xt, though a little slower. Also just wanted to mention that the 3050 8gb I have (Asus Dual) fits in small cases like Optiplex and is whisper quiet. I have no complaints about any of my gpus except my PowerColor 6650xt gets really hot and the fans are noisy. I plan to repaste it soon and see if that helps. It's only 8 months old.
For the sponsor Mine, it has been really hit or miss with responses from companies. Some companies immediately accept it and email back stating they will delete my data. Other companies tell me that I need to fill out a form. Quite a few companies removed me from their email marketing list but did not say they were deleting my data. Lastly, I also have gotten this message, "We received a request on your behalf from Mine. We cannot execute any data erasure without clear consent from you directly". Very hit or miss with Mine.
Thanks for this perspective, for me just knowing where my data is will be super useful cus I need to organise it, but good to have a better expectation about them removing it
I've been a PC gamer for more than 6 years, and i had to sell my old rig, cause i was going bankrupt, now I'm rocking a Radeon R5 and 4 gb ram on a laptop, and I'm seriously considering to temporarily switch to and Xbox series s, the white one, seems more that. Worth it, considering the price
I'm still rocking a 1080 since I can't get my hands on an updated. I'd be willing to "updated" to a 3070 or even a 3060 - but I'm not payment scalping prices; I'd rather wait another 5 years.
"If you're fine with 1080p" Sometimes I'm reminded how out of touch I am with the PC enthusiasts. If I can run the last few gens of games at high settings with stable framrates >= 45 fps I'm thrilled.
I feel like this will be a fantastic value card for the money... on the used market in 3 years.
Sadly I doubt it. Especially with the global supply still in jeopardy due to the deteriorating relationship between China and Taiwan. In three years it'll be cheaper for sure, but you'll have the budget gamers fighting over it on the used market and driving up the price
I doubt it.
Then you can play 2022 titles in 2025
@@shreyaspimpalkar2667 i mean, linus does mention that in his cyberpunk videos, how typically games only get played on max settings years after they come out.
@@JustAnotherHo yeah i agree but i was just making a joke of the gpu crisis we are having for a year now
What I'd realy love in these comparisons is the inclusion of older cards, like a gtx 970 or gtx 1060 or something. It helps to put into perspective what many people stuck on older cards can expect to see if handing over the readies for a GPU upgrade. Many of us are still stuck on older cards and figuring out the most cost effective upgrade path is bloody hard!
might wanna check Hardware Unboxed for that, they made a great full comparison of this GPU with other new and older Gen cards ua-cam.com/video/kXGnLjwbOBY/v-deo.html
I'm still running a 1060 myself, not planning on replacing it any time soon...
My disappointment comes from realizing the fact, that the newer gpu models hardly surpass previous generations. The processing nodes are smaller, thus actually enabling higher efficiency i.e. more performance per watt. But instead we see top tier GPUs with even more electric power hunger. The same goes for dead baked, upheated x86 cpus. This is insane.
I wished, we gamers had something similar like apple's efficient M1 but open source based with a similar Rosetta 2 compatibility layer for x86 legacy. This is, what i would actually like to see in the next versions of the steam deck.
If we embraced something similar like floss in Gnu Linux but for chips, we were no slaves to serve three main corporations anymore, who divide up the market among each other and artificially keep chip prices high by keeping the chip outputs to low contingents. They could have served gamers with affordable formidable mid tier gpus since a long time already. But instead they preferred to sell attractive chips to miners first for years. And what they do offer us now, is, expressed in mild words ... suboptimal.
Gamers Nexus has that.
My whole thing above which is all about what is considered a bad framerate now? i grew up with 24fps being fine and 60fps being arcade gold standard that looks amazing. i ran GTA5 on 720p high settings on dual 260GTX's couple of years back and it ran and looked great.
You guys should really have it compared against the 1060, which is still the most common GPU amongst Steam users.
And still a perfectly capable card at 1080p too, I might add.
@@joesterling4299 I agree. Although I really wish I could upgrade mine, a mere 3060 is around 850 USD in my country.
@@EduardoWalcacer thinking about the switch from 1060 6GB to 3060ti, but 800€? Forget it...
@@EduardoWalcacer My friend bought a PC with an i5 and 3060ti for R$ 9k~ last month... ;/ I will keep my i3 + 1050ti forever 😅
@@joesterling4299 I have it and it even does surprisingly well at 1440p in most games that I play. Manages around 60fps at med-high settings and even max in certain games.
Coming from the newest RTX 3050 video, it should probably be noted that this video is about the RTX 3050 with 8GB of VRAM, and not the 2024 RTX 3050 with 6GB of VRAM.
@LTT maybe an update to the video title could clear things up here!
I have been holding onto my 1050 for so long and the longer I wait the higher the cost of upgrading seems to be.
One of the only good parts about the current situation is you'll be able to claw back at least some of your costs as people will pay you more than it's worth for your old 1050.
@@bosambo But if you look at how much you'd be paying for a better card you're not really getting anything in return.
The 1050 is still a decent card though. Don't know what you're worried about. Just do the smart thing and save your money.
@@willn8664 if your playing e sports titles its enough, i have a 1050 ti myself and i can say it cannot keep up with any of the new games i want to play, all lowest settings in valhalla is 30-40 fps and others.
Yeah I feel that. My 1050ti struggles to get over 60fps on new games.
Make a channel named "Linux Tech Tips"
@CARINA🦋 bruh what is wrong with you
Make a channel named "Linus Tech Tips"
Rip your replies bro lol
E momento de la bruh
These replies bruh 😂
To the person who decided to highlight the card you are talking about, well done. It makes following the discussion nice and easy. Give him a office award, or more money :)
They really need to standardize this in their videos. Some editors do it, some don't , some put the subject card at the top, some in the middle, some put them in result order. It's annoying to have to pause the video and find the video subject, be it a GPU, CPU, or even an SSD, on the chart.
@@emerje0 agreed.
@@emerje0 yeah man
Yes, It was surprising to me how easy to follow what Anthony said. I didn't have to search for the card he was talking about. Absolutely great feature.
It’s most likely a company who edits the videos. Therefor random people who edit each one. Unfortunately I don’t think they’d be able to pinpoint who to give the bonus too.
I own an rtx 3050 it was my first gpu in my first pc and considering a few months ago I was going to pay more for a 580 or 1060 I am so happy I got such an amazing card
Same dude just upgraded from no gpu to this and I am stoic to say the least most of my heavyly modded games arma 3 gta v run smooth on ultra
@@robertramos1297what CPU? I run a h410m A PRO.
@@Mr.Scootini I have the same board with i3 10100 and gtx 1660 Super
I got my RTX 3050 when I play Fortnite my fps 200-300 it runs great
@@MILLbnan yeah most of the game that people play works great
It's a good card that unfortunately also got hit with the RT tax and chip shortage/mining issues. If the price is right it's still a better card than what can be offered at all.
its not a good card at all, is worse than the 2060 and you can get a full console for the same price (xbox series S)
@@prodrectifies let me know where you can buy a 2060 for close to msrp.
@@prodrectifies no fucking shit rtz 2060 is way more expensive in here
@@akellerseattle 2060 cost 700-900$ in my country
@@akellerseattle you could when it launched, or at least the KO version. You are better off buying an used 1070 or 980 than this thing. DLSS and RTX is all the card has going for it and still performs the same than 5 years old cards.
Man who would have thought the gtx 1070 that i bought for 200 dollars in 2019 will be such a value.
Haha same
I got mine for Christmas for around 380 and honestly it’s still worth that price considering how much more everything else is
You can technically sell it for more nowadays. And you basically get a free 3 years of usage out of it if you do.
You will end up with no card at all, but hey
@@ArchusKanzaki Sadly not in my area. Most GPU prices are pretty normal here, which is nice cause I can get a RTX GPU used for a good price, but bad because i can’t afford it anyways lmao
my 1080ti died two months ago :( 5 years old card still kicked ass
"This card is not bad if you need a GPU today and don't mind 1080p"
Me, who plays 720p on all low settings at 40 fps: "Wow this card sounds f'ing god-tier"
Me: *looking at a 4K monitor*
My 1050ti: are you kidding me??
you must be gaming on igpu ☺️
me : running ryzen 2200g 😭
Sounds god tier until you look at the price. Prices have leaked... they're around $500. Not so "god tier" anymore. You're better off getting a 6500XT (i can't believe i'm saying this) for half the price even if you do trade off Nvidia tech and encoders. Especially if you have PCIe 4.0 support, the 4 lanes on the 6500XT won't hold it back nearly as much as on PCIe 3.0
@@AlienFreak69 For 500 you can get an rx 6600
@@FlameOnTheBeat whatever....
Lol it's funny that this is comparing it to the 6500 when the 6600 is just cheaper and better than the 3050.
There's 0 incentive to solve the pricing situation when stores are happy to offer "refurbished" crap at scalper prices, and AMD/NVidia get to raise their bottomline prices to scalper standards. Whoever fell for the mining/shortage meme being a short term situation is probably learning the lesson right now: if you buy at scalper prices, you standardize scalper prices.
Still, if Nvidia and ATi wanted to end this, they could offer half decent new cards at a price people would actually want to buy them at.
yep the "shortages" are 100% intentional. sure covid surprised and fucked everyone... but that was over 3 years ago. you cant tell me the bleeding edge graphical hardware companies that reacts to new tech within weeks, couldn't adapt in over 3 years.
it seems that people are too riche to care in the first world, if a card is 3time more expensive they will buy it and write somrthing like GPU PRICE ARE SO HIGH ITS HARDER TO BUY NOW XD but they still throw money anyway
@@kodaxmax Everything OP said is true, but the shortages are *absolutely* real.
It's absolutely difficult to adapt over 3 years when *everyone* is bottle-necked by one company. It's *all* up to TSMC. They manufacture low-level hardware for *literally* everyone. Auto companies, anyone who makes "smart" devices, phone companies other than Samsung, there are no competitors any more unless you're Samsung or Intel. Nvidia and AMD need to compete with Apple and the auto industry and everyone else for spots in TSMC's production schedule.
It isn't just that COVID fucked everyone, it's also that everyone went "gee, seems like we won't need to produce so much" and cancelled a lot of their orders from TSMC. Every competitor has been pushed out of the market by them. Just like most companies now, TSMC has realized that the most efficient way to run is with zero fault tolerance- just the production capacity you need fulfill orders, zero overhead. Fall behind at all and it's like tripping down an infinite flight of stairs.
So when everyone realized that they need more of this stuff than ever, all the orders came pouring back in, and TSMC can't fulfill them any quicker than they could pre-pandemic. So they're always many orders behind schedule, and they'll remain many orders behind schedule until they build new factories or someone else steps up. That process is only starting *now* because everyone's extremely weary of building a bigass manufacturing plant to fill demand, only for demand to smooth out (because it isn't *really* much higher) and suddenly your shiny new factory is useless.
On top of that, TSMC has said that they're pretty sure some of their customers are hoarding the stuff they produce, which just makes the problem worse. It'd still be there either way, but they're like come on, just order what you need, please.
None of this is to say that Nvidia and AMD aren't artificially cranking prices up. They *absolutely* are. They're able to do that because demand is so high across the board and people keep buying the cards anyways, because people are dumbasses. But it's not because the chip shortage is some big conspiracy.
@@colbyboucher6391 Not only are you completly right, but also even if they wanted to build new factorys, one of the only companies that can build the photolithography systems required for modern chips is ASML, and I am sure they are completly booked out as well.
Id like to see how these cards stack up the the ones were clinging to, the 980s, 1070s, and 580s of the world that likely perform just as good or better. Im looking to find out what the bare minimum is that will be any kind of improvement over this SC 1070
3050 = 1660ti = 1070
Not hard to extrapolate
I really don't think a 1070 is the same as a 3050
Gamers nexus has the numbers for that in his video iirc
I think the 1070 and 3050 had like 5-10% difference in-between them
@@johannesbohm6458 so it's basically a 1070 ti
Literally just watch Gamers Nexus
This is on level of 1070 gtx, but 6 years later and NOT cheaper right now. Miserable.
RTX therefore better lul
@@Selfundum2424 the future is now, old man
@@jjbarajas5341 The future is not with rtx 3050 tho, since it's basically a 1070 with ray tracing, and we can both guess how bad it will run games with rtx on.
@@yiannis777-l9c DLSS is more useful on this thing than ray tracing for sure. It'll make AAA games more playable at certain settings and allow you to stretch that card a few years, especially with the 8 GB of VRAM, encoding and four display outputs. 6500 XT is basically DOA in comparison.
Hi! I love your coverage of this and loved the highlighting of the cards you're talking about. I will say, maybe it'll be valuable to include a GTX1060, 1070, or 1080 in the results so people two gens behind can see how much of a relative difference new tech comes. I feel like people upgrading to 30 series aren't on 20 series, but 10, or even 9.
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I remember the 1050(ti) costing 100-150€ and a friend of mine being unsure if he wants to invest that much money just for a gpu lol
Yeah, even before the covid madness, GPU prices were going up, and not by a little.
You were once able to get the top of the line GPU for like 300-350$, lol
@@giovannipomarico2035 15 years ago, sure. That was a very different time.
@@TheKazragore are you living under a stone?
@@bassdrop001 hes right. 10 years ago the price for a top of the Line nvidia gtx680 cars was 500usd… It’s Been a long time since top of the Line cards was 300-350
3 years ago i bought a HP system, i5 8400, gtx 1050 ti, 16gb ram, 128gb NVME , 1 TB hd for 750 American, can't even buy a decent GPU now for 750...lol
UA-cam has really got to get these adult content bots under control. So much for child safety and disabling the dislike button to protect people.
hahaha irony
There's actually an option that auto-deletes comments with links. Channels just have to get off their asses and turn it on.
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@@ДмитроПрищепа-д3я I'm yet to see that happen.
I really hope the GPU situation improves going into the rest of this year, especially if the RTX 4000 series does launch this year like the rumors are indicating.
Not for next 6-8 months
Lmao
It won't! Even as manufacturers increase capacity, demand is still spiking and prices hikes from key supply chain partners (e.g. semiconductor foundries) will push up rrp.
The US China trade war continues to disrupt supply chains and will further restrict how fast supply can expand to meed demand.
You also have a lot of competition for silicon - and its not just miners. The "internet of things " continues to push demand up from every corner imaginable, from smart carts to smart fridges and even god damn smart vibrators.
It will continue to 2023 at least, and even then expect rrp to rise even if there are enough gpus to meet demand...
@@FoodRecipes108 5-20 million GPUs mining ETH will be resold in the next 3-6 months.
it won't
The RTX tax reminds me of baggage charges on flights. You used to get checked bags free. When fuel was expensive they introduced fees and when the price of fuel went down it never went away.
In 1902 the German Empire introduced a tax on sparkling wine, initially meant to finance his majesty's, Kaiser Wilhelms, navy. The Kaiser and his navy are long gone and Germany is a republic now, but guess what remained until today, raking in about half a billion dollars annually...
A tax once introduce will never go away! That's why I'm afraid the "RTX-tax", the "mining-tax" and the "supply-shortage-tax" are also here to stay even after all of those issues are resolved. Nvidia and AMD tasted the sweet blood of price gouging, now they won't easily part from their huge profit margins - unless Intel can actually do something about it. We can only hope!
@@nicoj9984 This will be/should be solved by supply and demand. If chip manufacturers can make more GPU's in the near future, at a certain point there will be more graphics cards than people want to buy (at that inflated price) so prices will HAVE to go down. As there are (soon) 3 players in that market, it only takes one of them to lower their prices and the others have to follow. There's no reason to artificially keep your prices high, because that will simply mean you sell nothing and earn nothing. These companies keep their prices "as high as what the people want to pay for it".
The difference is flight prices have absolutely dropped since then, just the trend of unbundled fees continued in the airline market. Tickets are way cheaper than they once were, but everything from baggage to food to seat choice is unbundled from that cost.
@@EoRdE6 I suggest using fare detective to research historic flight prices. Flight prices adjust based on supply and demand and they're lower now (since 2016, actually) due to reduced demand. Otherwise, they didn't drop.
@@RaceSimCentral adjust for inflation and you'll find they are far lower despite the fact that prepandemic flying was at an all time high breaking records every year.
I love the message at the end. You don't have to play the newest games when there are so many great games that came out before
Exactly, and new games are rarely more fun right now anyway
with the current state of gaming, this is why emulation has boomed. New games and new releases just don't catch on with the public or hang around like they used to. When I look at Twitch it becomes more clear than ever how the state of modern gaming has died, it's the same titles from generations ago and nothing from this generation has caught on
@@tynao2029 emulation is pretty farfetched imo, but yeah just go play new indies
Anyone know what that list they showed on screen at 7:57 was?
I'm happy with indie games, butI wanted a better card for VR 😔
0:20 that sag
Look here 0:53 . RTX 2050 uhm WHAT🧐
DLSS is this card's killer feature. A 1660TI with dlss could do pretty much anything you want it to at 1080p reasonably
If u could get them at MSRP.id be cool with duel 3050.but we can't so
Something to note is that dlss at 1080p can look really ugly depending on the game. But when it works it works well.
Thats why you use FSR on a 1660TI if the game offers it, that is if Nvidia made it possible to use on the 1660 TI.
@@urlond9371 I was about to say that, I used FSR and CAS upscaling before that on my 1650 Super and could game at "4k" lol. Plus there's a general scale-and-sharpen option in GeForce Experience to help with games that don't come with any of those options.
@@urlond9371 agreed, FSR (Ultra Quality) made it possible for me to play GoW at 1080p maxed out at acceptable frame rates (around 55-60fps avg)
I got an OC model 2060 Super on sale for almost this price shortly after they launched. Crazy how much prices have jumped. New cards just don't seem to be a good value anymore.
I got an RX5600xt for a similar price nearly two years ago lol it's unreal
And your 2060 Super is miles better
I picked up a 2080 Super a month before the 30 series launched, for around $500. Place I bought it from were "Clearing out old stock before the launch" Little did we all know
I'm in the same boat, got both a 2060 and 2060 super right before prices escaped the solar system.
550-600 euros in Latvia for 3050 :)
First, this GPU can't be found right now so no one really knows what it's going to cost. When the 6500 XT was launched, it was available for a short time at about $300 USD. But now you can actually get some different models for about $260, AND it's still available. A point I was challenged on for the 6500 XT review is if the MSRP now reflects that 25% tariff. Well, if you can now buy a 6500 XT for $260, and a 25% tariff would take a $200 cost up to $250, then apparently the price is baked into the MSRP. Why? Answer follows.
Global inflation is adding 15 - 20% to production costs. Then, EU countries have a 20 - 25% VAT on certain imports, and GPUs from China, where over 90% of ALL GPUs come from fall into that list. And then the US added a 25% tariff on many products coming out of China, and this also affects Canada as Linus discussed back in Feb 2021 on a video from LTT. This tariff went into effect Jan 1, 2021, so it makes the cost of a new GPU ridiculous, and a budget GPU is now a bad buy. Really bad. If you don't have the money to buy a high quality GPU and pay the insane price, and you need to buy a budget GPU, you're better off getting an APU. Sorry, new world unless you want the stripped down 6500 XT. Once again there are no RTX 3050s to be found. I doubt you'll be able to find one for less than $350 USD.
AMD has succeeded in putting out something scalpers are hesitant to buy up. This GPU? It's going to be a BIG target. I doubt the 6500 XT will come down below $250 USD because of added costs as discussed below. The RTX 3050? Good luck finding one. Scalpers have sold about 50,000 Nvidia 3000 series GPUs through ebay and StockX already, and because this is a low cost GPU, it will be targeted like crazy, just like other low cost PC parts have been.
www.pcmag.com/news/scalpers-have-sold-50000-nvidia-rtx-3000-gpus-through-ebay-stockx
Yes Anthony, almost all GPUs come out of China. The other place they come out of is Taiwan, but it's a small percentage. Nvidia even talked about this in an appeal to Biden to drop tariffs on GPUs, and those tariffs ARE baked into the MSRP. They have to be now. If they weren't you'd see too much of a price difference for NEW products. In fact this product proves that 25% tariff is baked into the MSRP:
www.newegg.com/asus-radeon-rx-6500-xt-dual-rx6500xt-o4g/p/N82E16814126553?Description=6500%20XT&cm_re=6500_XT-_-14-126-553-_-Product
And, ASUS GPUs come out of China. So if it's right at MSRP it probably means they've been able to produce it for a low cost and they're selling it for under MSRP, but after price increases elsewhere in the supply chains, it's back at $200 USD as discussed below.
The tariffs weren't baked in to MSRP back in 2020, because the tariff in the US wasn't in effect at that time. It had gone into place, but was held off by Trump, and I assume it's because he didn't want to lose the 2020 election because EVERYONE being mad at him for so much inflation? Instead he delayed it to after the election, Jan 1, 2021, and Biden decided to keep them in place so HE could be blamed for all the inflation, because he's an idiot.
gizmodo.com/nvidia-asks-biden-admin-to-exempt-graphics-cards-from-t-1848158150
www.pcmag.com/news/will-the-tariffs-on-graphics-cards-lift-soon-eh-it-may-be-a-while
www.pcmag.com/news/prices-for-graphics-cards-and-motherboards-go-up-as-us-tariffs-kick-back
And why is pricing still a bit over MSRP? Not because of the 25% tariff which is already baked into the MSRP. It's because EVERY point in the supply chain, shipping from China, getting GPUs to suppliers and retailers because of how much more truckers have to be paid because the US is short about 40,000 truckers, and retailers are paying 25 - 50% more for their employees. You also have the issue where different makers of GPUs have different costs, and probably most have more costs than what AMD goes by in setting it's MSRP. For sure premium GPUs such as PowerColor are going to cost more, by a bit.
www.cnn.com/2021/05/29/economy/truck-driver-shortage-pay-hikes/index.html
www.businessinsider.com/trucking-shortage-transportation-inflation-high-transportation-costs-through-year-2021-5#:~:text=A%20shortage%20of%20semi-conductors%20to%20build%20new%20trucks,and%20houses%20have%20all%20become%20more%20expensive%20lately.
sharerig.com/blog/the-trucking-industry-faces-massive-shortages-of-drivers-in-2022
www.cnbc.com/2021/11/19/surging-shipping-costs-to-drive-consumer-price-inflation-unctad-says.html
Amazon is paying 50% more than before Covid started, going from about $12/hr to $18/hr for warehouse workers as an example, and newegg and EVERY brick and mortar retailer in the US that's going to carry computer parts is dealing with higher wages.
qz.com/2060508/what-amazons-18-average-hourly-wage-means-for-other-employers/#:~:text=Amazon%20is%20raising%20its%20average%20hourly%20US%20wage,increased%20demand%20for%20online%20goods%2C%20fueling%20Amazon%E2%80%99s%20business.
So every point in the journey of getting a GPU from China to the consumer costs more, and companies have to make a profit, and don't want to accept smaller margins. So all the companies along the supply chain including the retailers are taking more money, and it's bringing the price up quite a bit from MSRP. That's why a $200 MSRP GPU is selling for $260. Some of these companies are certainly charging more than they should, but to be fair the market is so unstable that these companies are trying to figure out what their new costs should be. This markup is going to affect the low cost items more than an expensive product, especially on shipping where shipping an expensive GPU isn't much different than shipping a cheap GPU.
Thanks for taking the time to write such an in-depth comment and provide accompanying sources. Great stuff 💪
Fuckin hell fair fucks
@@WickedRibbon I was challenged in the past about things I've said especially about the tariffs affecting the new MSRPs. I felt it necessary so I don't have to keep responding to people who don't keep up with the news.
A comment with supporting sources? What sorcery is this?! :O
Not going to read all that. I'm happy for you or sorry it happened
Considering the 1060 is STILL the #1 most common video card, it's really disappointing that LTT doesn't include it in benchmarks anymore. 1660 is great and all, but there are 4x as many 1060's in use than 1660s (at least according to steam survey). Please bring this card back to your benchmarks for those of us who are still stuck on the 1060.
that's like saying the 1050 ti is still a valid benchmark. back then you were better off choosing between a 1050 ti or a 1080
@@zxbryc What does that have to do with anything? If you're comparing performance of graphics cards it's dumb not to include THE most commonly used graphics card in metrics. The 1050ti or it's relative performance to the 1080 have nothing to do with it.
@@ignitionnight well, linus IS dumb.
@@ignitionnight The GTX 1660 IS a GtX 1060. The difference between the 2 GPU is simple. The 1060 is built around the Nvidia GP106 when the 1660 is built around the TU106.
But the problem was ... Nvidia stopped the production of the GP106 when Turing was released so, to keep purpose this middle card, they used the TU106 and removed the RT and Tensors cores to offer the same performance and cost of the GP106 !
So basically, a GTX 1660 IS a GTX 1060 ... It's just not the same GPUs bases, but there is no difference between the 2 models in the end.
(PS: Sorry, I'm not really fluent in english ... >
I didn't know how close they were, thank you for the information. However, they do not perform the same, the 1660 is a higher performing card in most if not all circumstances that I've seen. The differences in benchmarks are small, but consistently favor the 1660 in every single test.
We need more Anthony videos! I love his easy going nature, It feels like a friend explaining something to me rather then a professor droning on at me
Go Anthony!!!!
Nope... we need Anthony channel! The guy its so good explaining!
100% agreed ! Love watching him and think the same. It looks like he lost weight as well he looks good . Go Anthony !
+1 for Anthony. He's an honest, straight shooter, who knows his shit. great person to learn from.
i thought meat loaf was coming back
Anyone remember being so burdened with GPU choice at a microcenter that they had to go home and think about their choice before going back to the store to purchase it? Pepperidge farm remembers.
Ooooo iMemba 2008!
*Man*
Why is this gpu costing 2060 prices yet performs worse than that. Fukin nvidia
6500XT are available here for 299€ right now. Not many, but they are there. I'd expect the 3050 to be 450+ (maybe even 500+) based on current prices for 3060 cards. So the "only 50$ difference on list price" will unfortunately not relevant.
That's what we fear. And since he didn't show mining results with the cards worries me, maybe the card is good enough and will be scalped and also mined.
RX 6600 (non XT) are available for $450-500 and significantly faster, but Nvidia's RTX 3050 will outsell it 10 / 1.
I live in Hungary and the cheapest 6500XT I could find is 438$. Just a bit under my monthly salary as a car mechanic :D What a world we live in.
That would suck since 3050ti laptops can be had for under 900€.
@@rolandrudolf9414 that's insane that you're paid that little. Hopefully your salary goes up and the card prices go down
The 1660 super was the greatest price to performance gpu to date until the shortage costing 249 dollars. If you get a 3050 for 249 dollars its just a newer 1660 super with better raytracing support.
and DLSS to increase framerate which 1660 Super cannot
The 1660 Super was okay, but the RX 570 4GB was stupid good value.
@@giserson2 me who got 470 for $85 back in 2019...
IMO those RTX 2060 KO at $300 is even better, 1660S doesn't support DLSS, 2060 KO can limb forward for much longer time with DLSS support.
@@wasayurrehman8240 had 2 470's in SLI a very long time ago with my I7 970 then went to 660 to 970 then I upgraded to I7 4790 970 failed went to 1050 TI then to 1660 super. still use the 1050 TI in my old build with a I7 4790 and the 1660 super in my new build with a I5 11500K. gave the 470's to a friend that got my old I7 970 and the 660 sits on shelf and still works the 970 sadly spit sparks last year.
Sad as it is, I am seriously considering to retire my old gaming PC and get a PS5 for the next few years. I've been wanting to upgrade for a while now, but the prices are just insane and as Anthony said, there is no end in sight. For the first time ever, consoles make more sense to me than a gaming PC from a price / performance ratio.
Chip shortage effect consoles too
Sony already has all my game licenses so I might as well invest in a ps5 vs a gpu anyway. Come join us on the dark side bud haha pc master race will be ok.
I'd look into laptops
@@tecnicalk Yes, but not as much. Check the console stock check streams vs GPU stock check. (Console: ua-cam.com/video/JaZjaJARu24/v-deo.html GPU: ua-cam.com/video/P1pUkhX4PKg/v-deo.html)
The XBox Series S is actually in stock right now from pretty much every major retailer. GPUs are still selling for double MSRP and are out of stock everywhere.
@@tecnicalk Sure it does, but the console makers aren't selling consoles to make money, they're selling consoles to sell their games. They will more than happily take a loss on the price of a console in order to get you in their ecosystem buying their first party titles and their MTX.
The difference with PC is that the GPU and 3rd party board manufacturers along with the retailers selling the cards have no skin in the game after the first buyer takes the card off their shelf. This puts them in a position to exploit the high supply and low demand while Microsoft and Sony will happily sell you a console cheaper than a high performance GPU.
Why is RTX 2060 so much better than RTX 3050?
"Money" - Mr Krabs
192bit memory bus on the 2060 vs 128bit memory bus on the 3050. The 1050ti is probably the last video card that should have ever had a 128 bit memory bus. XD
Doesn't look too bad for a budget gpu. A little disappointed that it lost to a rtx 2060 desktop.
It's cus they don't want it beating out the 2060 they release I believe it was the 12gb model. Since that is still in production
@@lordadz1615 gpu's are planned and designed a long time in advance, the 2060 seems like a pretty quick decision considering they didnt know the shortage would happen, so I doubt it.
I mean on one hand, it's obviously a budget gpu. On the other hand, for people like me still running stuff like a GTX 960, its a huge upgrade and I'm gonna go for it
I mean technically it's still just a 50 card, I don't think compaing it to a 60 card is all to important.
@@Daniel-dj7fh I suppose that's what people wanted as a meaningful upgrade for it to be atleast that good. Similar to how the 2080ti is basically a 3070
I had a friend recently upgrade his pc. Hes pretty lay with all this, hes one of those that kinda just thinks if its more expensive its better. He bought a new gpu for 400$ and it wasnt till i came over a few days later when i pointed it out, he infact bought a worse gpu than what he had, and had no idea LOL
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what did he buy and what did he have?
Yeah gotta do your research before buying... But curious as well, which GPUs were they?
yep, similar situation with a friend a couple weeks ago who got excited about the 3050 announcement thinking he could finally upgrade his 1070. I told him it would be a side-grade at best, and it looks like I was right.
2 views 58 likes , thats anthony's power
Man getting my 1660 Ti right before the pandemic really was a blessing in disguise.. Holy.. Overclocked it's a more efficient 2060 KO sans RT, which I definitely don't care for, and it's still holding up vs new 30 series cards? (until VRAM runs out anyway..)
I was really hoping nVidia would've blown this generation out of the water.. Across the board, not just the high end
Same I got my 1660 ti like around the very end of 2019 iirc, best move. I wanted to save for RTX but just went with it.
i got the 1080rtx and now im in europe and forgot to put my PC in the container with all my belongings, I am super happy with the 3050.. mind you I paid nothing for it here in italy since italy is extremely poor when u are southern/central based ... the North is a whole different story and are rich like Canada/America/UK , but people forget how theres more than 120million here alone and can hardly afford electricity let alone a proffesionnal gamer PC... I am happy with this card as I paid for a prebuild for under 1000Euro and performs as well as myy PC I got a few to4 years ago while living in Canada, and saved well over $1000CAD for a PC i cant tell which is better... people trash this card but its fairly priced now around central/south Italy at least and have to say im super happy with it..... but thats because I cant afford to spend another 2500~ or more on a computer ... as most the world cant. And that extra 50$ is an extra 50$ to people here thats a lot..... feel blessed with any gaming rig especially any decent NVIDIA card in example the 1060 Ti or my 1080 RTX... I was afraid this card would suck... and it doesnt - its a great affordable GPU for those who are poor. People in gaming community are so "rich" aka lots are given these by family if you're under 30 and complain.
Agreed though I wish 3series no matter what card should blow others out the water but its all marketing. Sadly. Great comment and dont bash this card just yet once new ones come out more and more and are much more expensive! its only a year its out and those who own or owned one seem to have nothing bad to say about the 3050... Videos like this where the one talking is talking about "well ONLY an extra 50-100$ more" is a lot to most regular folk around the world.... its not JUST a little extra to all of central/southern italy. Here every dollar truly counts.... as its very very poor (Yes NA/UK italy isnt all glamorous as movies make it out to be , when it comes to the central/south of italy.) I got a whole prebuild for under 1k Euro and Im very happy with it with a 3050 as a GPU, I saved well over $1000 dollars ie to my previouds build,,,,,,, this was amazing and to me indistiguishable from this build to my last. Thank you 3050 for saving lots of $ for me personally and letting me game for a very fair price. Lesson of the story..... dont forget your PC at a friends when going back to italy LOL
"If you don't mind 1080p" I've never gamed on a PC at more than 1080p.
exactly, what we all really want is smooth 60 fps at medium quality, nothing crazy.
Then there's me, who plays mostly old titles and does 3d work on a 1440p display (though frequently running games at lower resolution)
@@s4n714g000 good man
If you already have a good graphics card from the last 4 years then there is really little reason to upgrade for the forseeable future. Because top-teir cards are so expensive relatively few people have them compared to previous generations. This, in turn, means the game developers won't raise the performance requirements of their games until prices come back down to earth and more people can afford new cards.
But if you don't have a card you're really stuck
It's true. I have a 1050ti that I got 4 years ago and would really like to upgrade at this point, but the price to perfomance comparison to newer cards has that plan dead in the water.
As I play newer games it seems like it doesn't matter much. At 1080p my card can run most modern games on high graphics settings at a decent framerate. So I think I'm content to wait another year or two to see if the market changes both on the games software side and graphics hardware side before investing in something newer.
>This, in turn, means the game developers won't raise the performance requirements of their games until prices come back down...
*laughs nervously*
I have only Intel HD 520 and I am not buying anything at this prices
@@KyriosHeptagrammaton Depends, we'll have to wait and see of course but RDNA2 looks very promising given what AMD has stated the performance will be like, so you could possibly get an entire new system for the price of a mid-tier GPU which has integrated graphics competitive with modern low-end GPUs.
my 1660ti from march 2019 holding strong!!! every year getting more proud of buying it.
GTX 1070 from 2016 still holding strong here
I feel the same way about my 1070. At 1080p it's holding up with 60fps in everything out there right now (other than RDR2) with very few settings turned down to high from game to game.
Same. I'm happy with my 1660ti . It's been doing great in almost everything I play
1060 6gb holding it's value well
lucky you man, I held off buying it because the gf told me so, now it's so far out of my budget in my third world income
After reading through the comments section and watching this, it seems the general consensus is that there is no need to buy for the current prices if one has a decent card. In that case, if this is the general attitude that consumers have rn, having finally realized that buying an overpriced card makes no sense, it seems to me like we might finally see a gradual price drop.
But the problem is people don’t have a decent card to begin with. I am(and many others) are trying to build their first pc during this gpu crisis
@@asiannation-4559 AMD's RX 6000 series is literally more expensive than nvidia's rtx 3000 series here in my local market for some reason I am literally holding out with all of my sweaty hands here trying to search for upgrades for my long overdue gaming pc lmaaoooo
1080p was the goal back in 2013, it's been nearly a decade and we still need that much for an old res, crazy.
I agree, I was playing 1080p on my $215 7850 10 years ago. I think the biggest difference today are the crazy framerates everyone wants to play at. We weren't playing at 1080p 100 fps back then, we targeted 60.
Laughs in Cyberpunk 2077 and Batllefield 2042 CPU bottlenecks...
It's not like games aren't more demanding now than they were 10 years ago. People want higher res, better looking games and faster framerates all at the same time.
@@MultiZymethSK the demand for over 100fps is stupid and ridiculous. 1440p, 4K and higher details at 60-120 fps depending on game type make actual sense.
@@RandomUser2401 there’s a noticeable difference between 60 and 144+ fps though
Benchmarks like this make me realize that I'm really not missing out by not having an RTX card since I couldn't care less about raytracing, and the performance of a 20 or 30 series RTX isn't that much better than my 2-3 year old 1660ti.
tbh, i always turn off ray tracing for my 2060. RTX brings down the FPS so much that the RTX aesthetic gain isn't worth it to me. I really want a 3050 to replace the 1050 in one of my rigs, and I expect I'd be turning RTX off on the 3050 as well.
@@eric-. I'd probably be in a similar situation. Not to mention raytracing isn't very impressive compared to current lighting techniques. But yeah, the performance hit would cause me to turn it off, and at that point, why waste my money on an RTX card until they have remarkably better performance than a 1660? The gains in recent generations have been slightly incremental at best.
@@gamesjunkie DLSS would be one reason to upgrade, however with current prices that alone wont sell anybody on it, i got lucky with a 3080TI for msrp a while back and while RT is still in its infancy there are games slowly popping up that do utilize it very well, for example look at Doom Eternal and the Metro Exodus enhanced edition where they completely redid the lighting to utilize RT to its fullest, thats why most current games that implement it as a afterthought fall short since it wasnt build from the ground up with it in mind and got added more as a hey look our game supports RT buy us... also i will say there seems to be quite a big difference in the 2xxx RT implementation and 3xxx implementation from what ive seen from friends pc's and such my 3080ti is a absolute monster of a card, but honestly at current prices (2500 euro) in my country is just completely bonkers
@@gamesjunkie the only game I've play where raytracing looked good and didn't cause performance issues was doom eternal so yea your pretty spot on
i thought the same until i booted up control on my new 3090 and kept spooking myself due to my character being reflected in windows with 100% accuracy. The performance fpswise is as you said not amazing usually, but it does shin VRAM intensive games and media programs like the adobe suite.
I just built a custom gaming PC with a RTX 2060, I totally regretted after hearing the release of the 3050 but after seeing it's performance compared to it I'm okay now...
shouldn’t regret the 3050 but you might regret buying a 2060 when 4000 series comes out
It's about how much you paid for it. if you paid 2060 typical scalper price there is still a lot to regret
@@doverif if it comes out this year. There’s always that catch. There’s always something better on the horizon
How much was it?
@@korpse69 depends on how good the 4000 series is, but he probably made a good purchase on the 2060. most likely 4000 series will be scalped, and won’t have the performance difference that’s worth upgrading
Next time can you please talk about ur diet, i want it.
I was thinking about getting this card to replace the RTX 2060 in my living room VR PC, but after seeing these numbers, I think I'll stick with what I have.
If anything ur downgrading lol . I think the 2060 in some cases was priced the same as the 3050. Feel like ltt giving too much credit to the 3050 when it doesn't deserve it
2060 is better than 3050 tho, its not worth it
I still think the 3060 TI is the better option at $399 but find either one of these at less than $500 is going to take a miracle.
rx 6600.. nobody has realised this yet
No 3090Tie is da best
Lol good for u. For us in Hungary 3060TI prices start at $1100
@@matebene8199 Jesus christ.
@@sergsergesrgergseg $600 😂
Are we going to talk about how the 6600 performed so well against the 3060 though? For so much cheaper, that’s insane! Obviously yeah, it has recording encoder prioritization and less RT capabilities, but $550 on eBay compared to nearly $200 more on the same site is quite the difference which I find worth it.
I got my RTX 3060 for $389... patience pays off.
@@wolfshanze5980 rate that
@@wolfshanze5980 yeah true, but if you want to buy a 3060 right now off of ebay, compared to a 6600 right now... Plus MSRP for both cards are the same.
@@justclover6123 but nobody should be doing that.
@@wolfshanze5980 "patience pays off" well yeah but if you can get a good card without having to be "patient" that's better. Right now a 6600 is very easy to get a good price vs 3060, and requires no or little patience. So for someone wanting to upgrade now it is a no brainer option as long as you can afford it and it's a step up from your current.
in my country the rtx 3050 is 500€ when a rx 6600 can be found for 250€
One thing that doesn't seem to come up very often is the effect that the death of GPU mining would have on supply. If GPU mining really did die out, the number of cards we have seen being hoarded would hit the used market, and that would definitely force prices back down for both new and used cards. Even if production costs are still up when the miners started to sell off their cards, supply and demand always wins.
It remains to be seen whether those GPUs will still compare well with the current state of the art and what condition they'll be in
@@TheTurnipKing No doubt. But all of the other scenarios that are listed for the possible improvements to supply are just educated guesses as well. If eth goes to proof of stake as soon as they claim, there’s probably going to be a LOT of 30-Series hitting the market. Even if they are older by the current standards when it occurs…. just look at how much good a flood of 580’s and 1060’s could do right now.
@@JavanVandeSlunt if not ETH, then some other crypto might rise like TON coin or something. So maybe the crypto thing is unfixable until all the places with cheap electricity ban it
@@bullshitdepartment this depends on how many people jump on the bandwagon. And even then, the token would have to be profitable enough to pay the bills first and then for itself in a reasonable amount of time, which is important because of how volatile crypto is. Some might try doing that but in the end they'll be forced to sell off their supply.
@@bullshitdepartment ETH is currently in the process of transitioning to a proof-of-stake system, which would completely eliminate the need for mining. I don't know how long the changeover will take, but when it happens, those miners will have to find something to do with all their hardware...
Can't believe the 1660 super I bought a few years ago is still such a competitive card still. I got it for a ridiculously low price just before the big inflation sensation.
if youre talking raw performance yea totally, but you leave out some if not most of the newest features, i doubt you care - hell i doubt most people care
@@goxlr lol, I wrote that a while ago. Now I have a 6700xt... no comparison!
@@brendanhoffmann8402 yea for sure my 6600 is a 1080p BEAST
Honestly, in this chip shortage, I would have never done shit like this. They went from 3 cards with 2 different chips, to ELEVEN cards with 2 different chips. NVIDIA executives know exactly what they are doing, but it's fine because they just got their end-of-year multimillion dollar productivity bonus that allowed them to buy an apartment in central LA to store their shoes.
Isn't that a good thing tho? Since waffers don't produce 100% high quality stuff and usually lower end stuff tends to be "defected" pieces?
@@TheDmNtd so 3070ti and 3080ti were defective?
@@jesusbarrera6916 No, what I mean is: When you process a waffer, not all the silicone comes out perfectly, you then can either trash the imperfect ones or reuse them for lower-end hardware.
This happens with CPUs (celeron cpus, for example). I think the same happens with GPUs. So having multiple cards probably means they are trying to get as many cards out of each waffer,.
@@TheDmNtd the difference between these cards is the memory and the amount of tensor cores they have. The chipset is pretty much the same. A 3080ti and a 3080 have the same chipsets with the same code, same architecture, same topology. The only thing that changes is that one has the 3080ti has more tensor cores and more memory.
@@TheDmNtd *wafer
This video is an amazing overview of everything going on at the moment. Really great work.
Console price to performance high as hell, GPU prices x2-3, manufacturers not returning to old prices, cashgrab cards (new 3080), cards not comparing to their old gens.
It's a sad time to be a PC gamer and I don't think it's going to improve for a few years.
i would be curious about how a 1070/1080 stacks up for this comparison,
Bruh, its a xx50, not a xx60,1070 and 1080 is better,but just a bit more
its roughtly equivalent to a gtx 1660 super, so it should perform somewhat comparable to a 1070 but definitely slower than a 1080
It'd be comparable to a 1070 in certain games (Depends on settings) based on the fact that it either exceeds or close to a 1660Ti which again is within 5-10% of a 1070. 1080? No chance, but a 1070? pretty close, add an OC should be same if not better, and with DLSS should be a good deal
@@pinguinofacha1421 yes but, the price your gonna get this thing at will get you a used 1080, but if its not close it doesnt matter
Only really seems to be worth the upgrade money (factoring in selling your current card) from a 1050. Too much of a hassle from a 1060, too similar to a 1070, almost always slower than a 1080... bummer.
I would appreciate benchmarks like these against the 10 series cards, given how many people skipped the 20 series like I did.
to be fair you can just find 1660Ti benchmarks since they are so close.
a bit worse than 1070 (similar to 1660ti)
@@chelseaisking The 1660 Ti matches the 1070. You're thinking of the 1660, which is worse than the 1070. The 3050 is 2% faster than the 1070.
Lol its easy to see that you're being scalped at the source here xD
RTX 3050 is barely better than the old GTX 1060 6GB.
We're not making much progress in the GPU sphere price to performance wise.
@@scroopynooperz9051 RTX 3050 is way faster than the GTX 1060. I don't know where you're getting your information, but is wrong as hell. OptimumTech RTX 3050 has a comparison with the GTX 1060. It's nearly 2x faster than the GTX 1060.
I would love to see the 1060 and 1080 ti included in these comparisons
1080Ti in rasterization is an RTX3060 or 3060Ti.
1060 is slower, 1080ti is quite a bit faster. The 3050 comes close to a 1070.
And the 970, thats the card that I have for like 6 years
@@jasonhurdlow6607 Well yeah the 1060 is slower than a 1080ti (I have both). Just would be interesting comparing them to the 3050 as the 1060 is still the most popular GPU and the 1080 ti is still pretty popular and many people have hung onto it. Myself included.
@@saricubra2867 I just watched some benchmark videos for the 1080 ti vs both of these cards. What's odd is that whatever settings that was done for the testing the 1080 ti if its using less vram than either card it will get roughly 5-10 frames less at 1440p but when it uses a bit more it pulls ahead by 10-15 fps. I might need to pick up one of these cards at some point because it seems kind of odd.
I currently have the 3050 and honestly I love it, I don’t play to many AAA games and when I do it actually performs good, I had an 1650 super and I was ready to buy a newer card but didn’t want to spend $400+
I have a 1650 super but is it worth the change ?
@@fee.d intel i5 cpu
@@fee.d yeah idk how to check what gen it is haha I’m new to pc but I’m getting my 3060 in 1 week :)
Came to comment this. I was in the market for a new card and bought a 3050 to upgrade my 1650 Super as well. I quite enjoy my new card! I was stunned by what it can do for 4k output.
That's just bad value compared to 6650 xt
I hope my RTX 2070 lasts another 10 years, cause I'll be damned if I'm gonna pay $1500 for a 3070..... No sir, not on my watch!
i have the 2070 super and have also been hoping this
@@SickNick08:
I'm a little jealous. The super is a fair bit better than my Zotac blower type 2070. Although, I got this card in a Newegg deal on a complete PC including an I7 and 16 gigs, 1TB Hdd and 256 Ssd with a 650 PSU for $1200 to my door. Can't barely purchase a 3070 in any flavor for those numbers today! It's a sad, sad time for us enthusiasts out there. Cheers 🍻.
@@Finite-Tuning I get updates when they go on sale but never make it in time. Hell, people who are on the website at the time and watch it go live can't even get them in time before bots. Sometimes I just stare at them
@@SickNick08:
I sooo feel your pain!
7:00 The ever-increasing price tag reminds me of how insane flagship (and not-so-flagship) phone prices have become, and how if you spent 350 USD on a decent phone 6 years ago, you can expect the same market segment phone for 550 all too often.
There are plenty of decent phones under 300€, so I'm confused by your point.
@@user-xg6zz8qs3q The point I was trying to make is that phones belonging to the same category have become pricier - just as how graphics cards have (even before the current price hike).
And sure, I can get cheap phones (with all their drawbacks), but I mean mid-range has become considerably more pricey, as have flagships.
@@Ralesk At least with phones you can always find decent budget options. With graphics cards you have no choice.
Go with midrange infinix / xiaomi / tecno / realme. More bang for the buck imo.
@Kzn Nzn wdym? It's crashing right now! The wave hasn't broken yet.
I bought a rx580 in early 2019 for $180 msrp. Still using it today and it still gets me at least 60fps in all but the most demanding games. Being that I mostly play first person shooter games, and I only have a 75hz monitor anyways, the 580 is still doing totally fine for me. Assuming it doesn't randomly kick the bucket, I think I'll try to hold onto it until the shortage ends, then go big on my next upgrade. If the market is still garbage in 2-3 years, oh well, what's the difference in getting ripped off in 2022 and getting ripped off in 2024 lol.
Same. Rx580 8GB still does the job more then fine!
Its our own pick, would you rather get scammed now or in a few years
I'm using a RX590 and it runs everything well on 1440p
I literally have the same, rx 580 8gb with 75hz monitor and Ryzen 5 2600
@@romanodoorgapersad8427 Hell yeah bro, it’s a great setup. I’m gonna keep my 2600 for a while, it’s such a good cpu.
Id love to see you guys test laptop cooling pads to see whats good and what isnt. Gaming laptops are gaining popularity with GPU prices being so high, so itll be good info for the public to have.
The fact that I paid roughly the same $250 in 2016 for an RX 480 8Gig makes me sad. The 3060 should be $250, the 2050 more like $150-175.
I paid 139 for an 8Gb RX 570 in 2019 (Black Friday). It may be the last GPU that I ever buy new.
For the money that I put away for a GPU, I bought 2 electric guitars, a good fender amp, and 5 effects pedals.
One thing that could have been mentioned in the section about prices not going back to how they were, is that the new low to even mid range could be taken up by better apu's.
Just as an fyi for anyone who needs to hear it but: anyone claiming prices will never go back to normal almost always have some sort of stake in the product. Its just fomo pushing bs tbh. The prices will def go back to normal. Just not any time soon.
I'm just glad I picked up a 1070gtx back when it launched. It's starting to show its age, but barely. Having 8gb vram was a luxury back then, but it has become the standard now.
My EVGA 1070 SC runs at 2100mhz 65° stable with a high fan curve. It keeps up with the 3050 fps wise. Best card I've owned and the best looking by far.
I was also rocking 1070, until 3 months ago, when it died. RIP my 1070. RIP my pc gaming (until shitcoins crash and I can buy a gpu again)
got a huge palit 1070 on ebay years ago and its been faultless, super quiet and cool. It is fat though
@@godzillaisnuclea123 Just sold my 1070 today on eBay for $290. Prices are coming down. Might want to sell while there's still value.
>was a luxury
>what was RX 480 8gb
On nVidia cards maybe. It was already standard on AMD it's just nVidia likes to put the new standard only on their thousand dollar 80tis for what will be standard later. Meanwhile their regular 80 cards they like to put just the barest minimum VRAM for that gen until next gen, like the way they put 3.5gb on 970 and 4gb on 980, or how they put 6b on 980ti and later on 1650, 2060, and 1060 it was 6gb whereas 1070 had the newest standard already established across the AMD cards. Kinda like how the 2080ti got 11gb, which 10-12gb was clearly going to be the new standard for 4k, and is why everyone made fun of the 3080 because they put just barely enough VRAM on it to be "fine" for the next two years of its service until 10gb clearly showed it's not enough at 4k.
It's just something I always hated about nVidia's skeezy marketing practice. We overlooked it when they delivered real performance at least, but lately not so much imo. 16gb is going to be standard at 4k. 8gb is the standard 1080p/1440pish VRAM. 6gb should be mostly fine for 1080p, mostly. Unless it's super new. It's not it's just cheap and lazy to me but deliberately done to make overpriced hardware age faster so you're pushed to being like an iShit buyer trapped in a marketing cycle loop than just have something to last you. It's one reason I tend not to look beyond 70ti cards because they usually last long enough to be okay for years, without instantly going obsolete or costing a used car.
It’s not even exciting anymore when they release a budget card, because we all know scalpers will hoard every single one and resell it more like 100% more
3050 is 69% faster than a 1650. But only 6% faster than a 1660 super.
All I can say is, "I'm glad I got a 2060 Super mid-2019 before the pandemic started"
But tech youtubers said you would be an idiot to buy an RTX card! Why didnt you listen? You could have a 1060 still and upgrade later... Man you missed out, bet it's tough having a relevant GPU these days.
Me with my 2080 honestly and I thought I paid too much with it at MSRP before the shortage. Boy oh boy was I wrong. Gonna make it last time I absolutely can't play at 1080/1440p anymore.
Yep Im also glad I grabbed an RX 5600 XT like 2 months before it all started.
A friend of mine wanted to upgrade but kept waiting and now he's still "stuck" on a 1660
Same lol, I got a 1080 in very late 2017 (back when 400gbp was the most anyone would reasonably pay for a GPU)
I bought a 1080 from one of my friends about a week before the 30 series dropped cause he was gonna buy one of them. He had 2 1080s in SLI. Needless to say, I paid $250 for a card that's going for a lot more these days.
I'm so glad I've been a 1080p gamer my whole life. My 1070 is still going strong @ 2150mhz 35C. Can run 99% of games ultra settings 60 fps.
980 ti still going strong.
man. I don't think an upgrade will happen anytime soon with these pricws
Ryzen 5 5500u apu is still going strong
@@redmist4963 hell yeah. rock it till those prices drop, man.
Don’t know what to think. At first few minutes I was very distracted by the speed of what was being said, seemed sped up. Second was saying the 3050 was ok. It’s not ok in the community because it’s not a fix or patch that’s needed. What is needed and never will happen until the crash is a stop in buying junk thrown in our faces. I heard stories that they are buying at wholesale and destroying GPUs to keep market level at high sell rates. China is doing this and I expect the rest of the big three are too, well not like that but giving us garbage chipsets. For me I just stopped buying and making what I have work. Yea it’s not the prettiest or latest but if I can keep this up long enough it will make the point. If enough of us do this it will put the market back in its place and destroy scalpers. Who really needs 5 more fps, that’s not even real anyways. Love your videos.
The gpu "shortage" is a complete scam and even if mining stops today and supply is back up to 100% the prices wouldnt fall because chip manufactureres are making bank. Supply could not be lower but profits could not be higher. Nvidia since the padnemic started has increased their profits from 6.7bill to 7.4 bill so why would the be interrested in lowering their prices?
not just that but retailers also, most retailers in my country have more than a couple dozen in stock of most brands and gpu models, still massively inflated cost though, hopefully we're gonna see drops in prices soon. most of the people who will pay anything for a GPU are hopefully gone and now its people who arent gonna get robbed waiting for prices to drop
*cries in gtx 980*
My take on it is that in Australia, when stock drops all the big companies buy them and then sell them later on for like 2700 AUD (3070ti) Which is ridiculous. Some days you can get a get a 3070ti for 700-1000 AUD and some days you get absolutely ripped off by bigger companies. It’s outrageous what’s going on here in aus
Have you heard of a little thing called inflation?
I love how it says 2050 at the end of the intro
It would fit better as 2050 than 3050
i managed to get a 3090 at msrp back in 2021 when i moved to korea.. at first i thought i was lucky to get it at that price. im starting to realize i was lucky to be able to get a card at all
Is Mr Anthony still in LTT ?
he is de@d
rip Anthony
I mean, I have a GTX 970 now. Seems like a solid upgrade, if I can get it at MSRP -- which I could only get with new cards anyway, sadly. The Used Market is borked as well, sadly, so I can't get an RTX 2060 for good money either. Here's to hoping!
I have a GTX 970 too. so I feel exactly the same.
Gtx 970 gang, would yo recomend to upgrsde to a 3050?
same here. I wanna upgrade but the 970 will have to work instead.
@@exodyno I mean, I could get like 50 bucks more if I sold it now than I paid 5 years ago. I think that illustrates just how bad the situation is right now. And just how many people haven't been able to upgrade for _years_
Also have a 970. When I built my system in 2014, I had planned on upgrading it/building a new system when I graduated college.
I graduated college in 2020…
wat
huh
yes
@@exotak hmm?
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First comment
Yeah the 4GB of vram, 4 pcie gen 4 lanes and tiny memory bus on the 6500xt is brutal, glad to see 8gs remedied on the lower end nvidia cards
Thing is the 6500xt is still relatively easy to buy. Your comment only holds true if Nvidia can remotely hold stock, and they have yet to prove that they can or even want to. This GPU, like the 6500xt, is significantly worse past MSRP
@@genderender Yeah, but bad product is bad. I don't want it even if I can get it at a discount from MSRP. I'll stick to my 1060 if that's my only choice. The 3050 is where I start to pay attention. I'm not rushing out to buy one, though.
@@joesterling4299 if I had a pcie 4 cpu I would definitely have bought 6500xt for msrp (and a not a rupee/dollar more).
It still can push past 60 frames on most games at 1080p - there is zero other cards that can do that at it's price range.
I thought it was a bad move, but making a gpu deliberately miner unfriendly (probably by mistake than planned) might be the only way it's not treated as a cash making machine
@@joesterling4299 You got tricked by Nvidia marketing then. Current things around the world made the 6500XT "bad" because prices are crazy and people are demanding a ~250$ card. This 3050 CANNOT be profitable at that msrp, comparing the 3050 and the 6500XT because they have the same "msrp" is completely stupid.
@@genderender Yeah good point
You made a vid about how bad the 6600 is but it compares VERY good compared to how greatly their prices are
6:31 Anthony: "It's the RTX 2050 thatwe never got, with no major drawbacks."
Me: Yeah ... but that's literal. It's labelled and priced as a *30* 50. A generation newer. Without the performance that would have beat a 2050, had it existed. It is a literal step backwards, not even looking at the price. WTAF?!
I really liked the flashing highlights on the graphs for the GPU highlighted and it's red counterpart. Im not sure if that's new, but it's the first time I've seen it. It made quickly absorbing the graph (especially at 3x speed) much easier
@angel ❤️ SHUT UP BOT
3x speed ? mine goes max 2 times are you using an extension or just a typo ?
I refuse to accept that these high prices will hold forever. We're paying ridiculously high prices for low mid range cards. Totally unacceptable and we can't normalize this.
Then don't buy this shiet and spread the word.
@@bslay4r yep
Too late lol
I'm glad I don't buy this and went amd instead (Rx 6600) I got performance that's better than rtx 3060 with a price that's cheaper than rtx 3050.
I have wanted a new 75W gpu for low power machines for years now. I thought the 3050 would fill that role, like the 50 cards have historically done. I guess I will have to use my 1050 Ti until the end of time.
I recently bought a laptop with an i5 and RTX 3050. Good laptop, plays everything at 1080p medium to max settings 60+ fps and it has a 144Hz screen. It was about $800. I searched for the 3050 and it's $500 by itself over here. This chip shortage is insane. That GPU is not worth $500. I remember when you could build a $500 PC that plays every game smoothly at 1080p.
Is it Asus tuf?, May I know what laptop do you buy?, Cus I want to buy new laptop too...
@@hyrdie2477 HP Pavilion 15-dk2032nq is the exact model number. i5-11300H, RTX 3050, 8gb ram, 512gb ssd, 1080p 144Hz screen. It's Free DOS though so you'll have to install windows yourself. It was the best laptop I could personally find in the $800-$1000 range. I've had it for a month and I'm very happy with it. I am planning on installing 16Gb of ram in it though, new games max out the 8Gb. And maybe switch out the SSD with at least a 1Tb one since games are getting to 100+ Gb.
@@Randommmmm204 Yo thanks for the insight man, appreciate it
Good times... My current PC I've had for 7ish years with a gtx 960 in it and its only in the last year or two really shown its age. Was only $600 not including a monitor. Building a new one soon though, but its costing about twice that lol.
@@Randommmmm204
If it takes it from single to dual channel I'd say make the 2nd stick a priority as it will unlock performance and cut stutters down.
Yay! Another GPU you can’t buy for a non scalper price! What do we do? The reviewers said that we shouldn’t buy the 6500XT, which was available at launch date. These reviewers are Soooo fucking smart, I’m gonna listen to them next time I’m buying something…
"What do we do?" Simple. Not buy them.
I mean you shouldn't buy a 6500xt. Itd available, but only because its an absolute piece of shit that AMD cut and nickel and dimed ever part to fuck over thr consumer.
@@Tofuey even if you say it’s shit, nothing changes. You DON’T have a CHOICE!
The fact that this card performs worse than a 2060 is a shame
As a PC gamer with modest expectations, it pains me to say that this generation, it's going to be a good thing that consoles are leading graphics advancements in gaming. Stick to 1080p and get a mid range card and you probably won't need to upgrade your GPU until the PS6 is coming out.
Did you end up upgrading? Because I'm tryna build a vr ready pc solely for vr and was wondering if the 2060 you had was any good I can't search it up because they all say 'get the 3080' wheras I ain't got that sorta money
@@JasonClarke_ I didn't mention I had a 2060. How did you know that?
Anyway, I do have a 2060 and it runs VR games just fine through my Quest 2.
@@JasonClarke_GTX 1080's are VR Ready enough but go for 20 or 30 series, they're overpowered for VR
A very good card for a good price…. *If it wasn’t scaled to high heaven*
I’m hoping this thing will be available again at MSRP. Because I want this GPU for a basic setup
stayed in stock for less than 1 minute, seems bots grabbed it anyways
Edit: Still stuck on a 970
feels bad man 😔
man im late, but i got my gtx 1050 for $130 AUD before people started mining and I've been wringing the life out of it for ages but I'm still not even sure I'm ready to upgrade with the prices these days
This shit is selling for 700 euros in my country.
The 3050 isn't a bad card. My daughter had one in her pc, but we recently switched it out for a 1080. On the couple of games we tested during the swap, they actually performed about the same.
On paper the 1080 is a faster card, but the 3050 does a good job with all of the constraints it has built in.
Edit: Everybody shits on the 3050, but mark my words it will be the "new" 580. Soon the 3050 and the 5700xt will be the card in every budget gaming PC. Used they go for like $120-$150.
I have a 1080 and got a 3050 here build in Italy and i have to say its a great card for the price i paid today , and its been a year since its release or more... I did worry my 1080 would be better and maybe it is... but again I cant tell and the 1080 is fantastic. So in other words, for the price again i paid here in Italy for really decent/good to great hardware prebuilt - im not complaning at all since i paid about 1000 more in CAD $ - and have better to at least equal performance on this machine...... Im glad they came out with this card. I spent under 1000 Euro for a whole build i paid 2500 for just a few years ago *maybe 4 now?*....
People like to bash those who can afford to and have a silver spoon in their mouths entire lives... truth is globally especially here in my part of italy is EXTREME poverty (yes italy isnt all fancy people.. as people also assume about my country) but again, fantastic card for what I use it for.... my friend has a 3080 but also spent i dont know how much at the time for it... 2 x more than my entire build tho and was shocked how well this performed. Remember those in UK/NA , theres a whole word out there that cant afford the extra 50$ even let alone hundreds for just 1 part in a whole PC. Great comment and agreed!
@@guyterrifico8293 I recently grabbed a 5700xt from AliExpress for $130. It's also an excellent card. It actually runs cooler than my 6650xt, though a little slower.
Also just wanted to mention that the 3050 8gb I have (Asus Dual) fits in small cases like Optiplex and is whisper quiet. I have no complaints about any of my gpus except my PowerColor 6650xt gets really hot and the fans are noisy. I plan to repaste it soon and see if that helps. It's only 8 months old.
@@guyterrifico8293Extreme poverty? Quite a peculiar hyperbole
For the sponsor Mine, it has been really hit or miss with responses from companies. Some companies immediately accept it and email back stating they will delete my data. Other companies tell me that I need to fill out a form. Quite a few companies removed me from their email marketing list but did not say they were deleting my data. Lastly, I also have gotten this message, "We received a request on your behalf from Mine. We cannot execute any data erasure without clear consent from you directly".
Very hit or miss with Mine.
Thanks for this perspective, for me just knowing where my data is will be super useful cus I need to organise it, but good to have a better expectation about them removing it
I have an RTX 3050 to this day and it still works great.
You would've gotten an 6600xt and you would get 50-70% more performance for less money
@@gramostv_official when i got the 3050 it was the only thing available
I've been a PC gamer for more than 6 years, and i had to sell my old rig, cause i was going bankrupt, now I'm rocking a Radeon R5 and 4 gb ram on a laptop, and I'm seriously considering to temporarily switch to and Xbox series s, the white one, seems more that. Worth it, considering the price
I'm still rocking a 1080 since I can't get my hands on an updated. I'd be willing to "updated" to a 3070 or even a 3060 - but I'm not payment scalping prices; I'd rather wait another 5 years.
If the card lasts that long that is Looking at my 1050ti that died recently after 6 years
well im trying to buy it... ITS NOT existing! in Europe
It was even worse here in America
"If you're fine with 1080p"
Sometimes I'm reminded how out of touch I am with the PC enthusiasts.
If I can run the last few gens of games at high settings with stable framrates >= 45 fps I'm thrilled.
Relatable, I bought the RTX 3050 6gb because I wanted to build a mini itx PC, that can game at 1080p, and use it with a 250w PSU