10:10 The CPS BlackMax BTB300 appears to be from the exact same mold as this Doyle 58674. The level of identicalness is beyond what copying or reverse engineering would normally yield. It's extremely likely they're produced by the same contract manufacturer.
Purchased the Doyle set the other day and I will say it is one very good tool and provided me with many 3/4 inch soft copper tubing bends in a confined area where larger benders would not work and piping could not be bent up outside the area and then installed. The reverse feature was used for about half the bends. With a little practice, one can get a dimension for accurate measured bends using a mark one makes on the center of the crescent die. Had no issue removing die from drive stem. Well made tool and should provide long service with common sense use on soft copper tubing. A Hilmor would of been nice, but Doyle set was well less than half the price.
My Hilmor does that sometimes, you got to squeeze the handle, not enough for another click but enough to get it to push on the pipe, then hit the release button to get it to release. Looks like a decent setup... Wish my Hilmor came with the reverse bender deal...
If the tubing is in a tight spot and you can't put the bender in the way you want. A lot of times the tubing will already be attached at one end and not easily moved.
I'd buy it for a backup to my backup with a backup, started with the big long two handle jobs. 7/8" all the way 1/4". Then went to Y/J Plastic racheting set now to Y/J alum cast. But none with reverse mandrels still use my 3 in 1 for smaller piping, love that thing ..
Trying to find a 5/8" bender for copper for a tighter 90° in stock nearby today; and this video is costing me money, while I am saving more money dealing with a lineset however ;)
No marks on the dies for a reference. I used a mark at the center of the die, practiced on some old stock and was able to get a reference measurement to work with (a "cheater pipe" method used in roll cage tubing bending - fabrication). It worked nicely to get me accurate measured bends.
@@MMNcentralcan you explain what the marks would be needed for? I’m doing a mini split install and only need to do one or two 90’ bends but am planning on getting this tool since the pipes are 1/4 and 5/8 and I heard those can be a pain to bend
. @Gsxr617 It is unlikely one would need this tool for bends in 1/4 soft copper tubing as it bends easily and kinking it should not occur if a proper bend radius is allowed. This tool will provide nice bends on 5/8 soft copper tubing. If one is doing measured bends (tubing that must hit a target after the bend is performed), then predefined reference marks on the dies by the manufacturer simplify the process. I am unsure if other ratchet tubing bender manufacturers provide instructions relative to utilizing die reference marks, or if it is a try and learn process. "How to Bend Copper using the Center Method" by Alex Z video suggests a method to use, and I agree that some practice on scrap pieces can be very helpful to achieving success.
@oscarcollins yo I was about to purchase this the other day. It was a used pair but only came with 1 die a 1 1/8. I would have to buy all the other dies correct!? You're right compared to the difficulty to bend anything over 3/4 with these doylez the swaglok is a tesla vs honda civic
@machaf ditto! Same reason I got them today. Video waz terrible btw. Talk about wrong information. It states right infront of the box, Lifetime warranty ". That's the reason these are the best vaule in the industry.
It's almost on the money a CPS blackmax knock off,I have the cps one. Only difference is the block assembly. Cps uses 2 different bars and doesn't have the wing nuts to hold the blocks on. But the markings on the handle for 90° to the color coding and how it screws on for the bar and reverse bender attachment is all the same.
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10:10 The CPS BlackMax BTB300 appears to be from the exact same mold as this Doyle 58674. The level of identicalness is beyond what copying or reverse engineering would normally yield. It's extremely likely they're produced by the same contract manufacturer.
Purchased the Doyle set the other day and I will say it is one very good tool and provided me with many 3/4 inch soft copper tubing bends in a confined area where larger benders would not work and piping could not be bent up outside the area and then installed. The reverse feature was used for about half the bends. With a little practice, one can get a dimension for accurate measured bends using a mark one makes on the center of the crescent die. Had no issue removing die from drive stem. Well made tool and should provide long service with common sense use on soft copper tubing. A Hilmor would of been nice, but Doyle set was well less than half the price.
Does it work with steel tubing?
My Hilmor does that sometimes, you got to squeeze the handle, not enough for another click but enough to get it to push on the pipe, then hit the release button to get it to release.
Looks like a decent setup... Wish my Hilmor came with the reverse bender deal...
What is the reverse mandrel for? Is that to straighten a pipe that was previously bent?
If the tubing is in a tight spot and you can't put the bender in the way you want. A lot of times the tubing will already be attached at one end and not easily moved.
I got some pretty good ripples on 5/8..Then read to lube it. Seemed to help.
I'd buy it for a backup to my backup with a backup, started with the big long two handle jobs. 7/8" all the way 1/4". Then went to Y/J Plastic racheting set now to Y/J alum cast. But none with reverse mandrels still use my 3 in 1 for smaller piping, love that thing ..
Just bought this with the 25% off labor day coupon.
Do all of the hydraulic benders warp the pipe like that ?
This is hydraulic, hence takes a pair to bend that 7/8 brotha.
^ this isn't hydraulic.
Trying to find a 5/8" bender for copper for a tighter 90° in stock nearby today; and this video is costing me money, while I am saving more money dealing with a lineset however ;)
Mine broke on the first 3/4 90 degree bend soft copper AC line set
Have to tap the yellow jackets also.
Have u done a water line while its already installed in the ground n if so how do is it done?
Is there a video on how it done?
Thanks
Joe
Awesome. Thanks for the post...
thanks for this.....good review.
I borrowed this tool to do a mini splt install. Does it have marks to do left and right measured bends? Nothing in the instructions.
No marks on the dies for a reference. I used a mark at the center of the die, practiced on some old stock and was able to get a reference measurement to work with (a "cheater pipe" method used in roll cage tubing bending - fabrication). It worked nicely to get me accurate measured bends.
@@MMNcentralcan you explain what the marks would be needed for? I’m doing a mini split install and only need to do one or two 90’ bends but am planning on getting this tool since the pipes are 1/4 and 5/8 and I heard those can be a pain to bend
. @Gsxr617 It is unlikely one would need this tool for bends in 1/4 soft copper tubing as it bends easily and kinking it should not occur if a proper bend radius is allowed. This tool will provide nice bends on 5/8 soft copper tubing. If one is doing measured bends (tubing that must hit a target after the bend is performed), then predefined reference marks on the dies by the manufacturer simplify the process. I am unsure if other ratchet tubing bender manufacturers provide instructions relative to utilizing die reference marks, or if it is a try and learn process. "How to Bend Copper using the Center Method" by Alex Z video suggests a method to use, and I agree that some practice on scrap pieces can be very helpful to achieving success.
Will it work with EMT ?
I don’t think so, but not sure
I was wondering the same thing.
I've yet to see anyone demonstrate the tool straightening pipe.
I wonder if this will work as a wire bender 250-600 MCM
People who do not know how to opperate a tool should not give demonstrations
Agreed. I hate that
Agreed 👍
I'll stick with HILMOR. But thanks for the video man!!
Can I bend matel pipe 1inch pls replay
Swagelok roller benders are worth the money.the Cadillac of benders
Is a Cadillac still a Cadillac?
@oscarcollins yo I was about to purchase this the other day. It was a used pair but only came with 1 die a 1 1/8. I would have to buy all the other dies correct!?
You're right compared to the difficulty to bend anything over 3/4 with these doylez the swaglok is a tesla vs honda civic
use lube on the contact face, and bend slowly, give the metal time to bend
Looks like blackmax
Warranty is now lifetime. Look like they changed it.
I’ll stick with my yellow jacket benders
Ain’t nothin I’ve bought at harbor freight ever lasted
It will get you out of a jam when you HILMOR cast aluminum body snaps when your bending 7/8 😂
And if this one breaks..Taker back to the Hazard Fraud and get a new one. Doyle has LIFETIME warranty. One of the reasons for my purchase.
@machaf ditto! Same reason I got them today. Video waz terrible btw. Talk about wrong information. It states right infront of the box, Lifetime warranty ".
That's the reason these are the best vaule in the industry.
Looks like a HILMOR knock off 😬. Good video thou .
Not really..Attention to details matter...Way different design. Just look at the handle.
It's almost on the money a CPS blackmax knock off,I have the cps one. Only difference is the block assembly. Cps uses 2 different bars and doesn't have the wing nuts to hold the blocks on. But the markings on the handle for 90° to the color coding and how it screws on for the bar and reverse bender attachment is all the same.
WOW, my HILMOR is an exact knockoff of this HF bender and it costs more!!!
What’s the point in making a video about a tool when you have no idea what you’re doing? Thanks for the waste of time!