OMB Warehouse Tork Zilla vs Gopowersports Juggernaut "Internal Affairs "
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Hey guys FatBuddyCat here! Here it is! A thorough look inside the two super 30 series drivers from two of my favorite distributors. Perhaps now a few differences will out weigh the similarities. Pay attention, maybe you'll notice something I missed. Either way you can't lose by trying one out from your favorite distributor. Be sure to check out their links for other great products.
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I’m fascinated with tuning CVTs, there are so many things working together, always more variables to try. I’ve watched this video several times, looking for potential ways to tune my Juggernaut. As it is, playing with the weight roller inserts seems to be about the only tuning option available which affects engagement RPMs and possibly shifting speed. Too bad you didn’t weigh a bolt, nut, and roller off of each one of them. Maybe you could get a weight if you have it off again for some reason. Videoing them running at similar RPMs would have been interesting as well. What I would like to see is a way to tune one to go through it’s entire range with a 3600 rpm engine (similar to a stock Comet style) and a 5000 rpm engine (ungoverned stock engine). Ultimately, we would need a wide assortment of rollers, springs, and bells. Maybe someday. The design is fairly simple yet so much more robust than the Comet 30. Keep it up FBC!
I wonder what would happen if you flip flopped the bell covers from the juggernaut to the torquezilla. Then you could see how the shape of the bell affects the shift of the clutch, and also how the heavier spring acts with the flat bell.
That would have been a great test! Unfortunately I sold my Juggernauts off to someone local who needed them.
This is a great video.I’ll finish watching this at work.Your videos are really detailed.
Thanks Sam! Lol, that's that OCD kicking in hard brother!!
So what is your personal opinion about the toquezilla? Do you think I should buy one and how much does it cost?
@@samsgarage1716 I can get you a 5% code, but they are about $80.
@@samsgarage1716 There is absolutely no comparison in performance compared to the stock driver! The Juggernaut is by far a 100% better and would be a
worthwhile investment.
Nice your the only cat making these comparisons vids of these two
You need to put the tac on the bike and see what rpm the clutch engages. The Jug might hold at higher rpm better than the other. But if you want a quicker take off the zilla is the one to go with.
I think the Juggernaut does indeed hold a higher rpm.
They both sure do seem alike, but I would venture to say that some folks would like the difference in the weights for different engagement times. I also wonder about the OMB spider on how it will hold up. Since upgrading my three Juggernauts to the supplied spider hub from GPS, I’ve noticed no cracking, bending, or breaking. Since the upgrade, DDR ran the 24hr enduro race and an additional 2hr enduro. The GPS version 2 spider hub is doing much better. Great comparison video my man. DDR approved. 😎
What if the itsy bitsy spider climed it's way into the silver one......🤔
@@fatbuddycat Lockup, possibly.
@@ezl8002 they look awfully similar.
So essentially it comes down to the shape of the bell and spring tension causing different engagement. The wear on the jug is probably just over time vs the zilla.
The Torkzilla over time hasn't changed much that I can attest for.
Fantastic break down. Keep’em coming
Thanks! I love both companies and try to find the balance in between the two rather than show favoritism. I think it's important for consumers to see the differences and similarities. For instance, no matter who you buy the driver from EC Carburetors sells the HD Spyder. I'm here to get everyone together so we can build better mini bikes.
So which one do you prefer? I just got a zilla to compare. I ride trails very rocky and hilly terrain. Also not afraid to really get into them rpms!
I like the Torkzilla for most conditions. I'm going to be throwing some more power through one soon.
The juggernaut looks like it might have been black oxided. Great video, thanks for the insight on both drivers.
I agree.
Good video! Just ordered our third Jugger before learning about the Zilla from your video. Sounds like shifting speed and revs are the main differences. We do a lot of hill climbing, so revs are good. So I am glad we went with another jugger. I wonder if the Zillas will crack their spiders like the early juggers? I blow my jugger out with compressed air from time to time to clear the belt dust.
EC Carburetors sells the HD Spyder.
The difference would be in patent design imo..The markings or scouring mark maybe e-coating breakdown, hence the dust.
I'd say they Were both made in the same building somewhere.
I thought so too.
I think the bells are for protection/safety incase the clutch explodes.
The arms push outward, pressing the wheels against the bell and forcing the pressure (coned) plate towards the back (flat) plate. The belt is stuck in the middle.
The bell acts like cam ramps for the roller weights. The curvature of the bell regulates the rate at which the movable sheave engages the belt and shifts.
@@theoldfartschannel3692 Nice! That's my thoughts on the design components and why they seem to engage a little different as well. I mean, the roller is on a fixed path of travel so anything that would cause any opposing force whatsoever would directly effect it.
Makes me wonder now, thanks.
My goal is to show people their options and bring out the best from the company's selling them. I'm also very community oriented and try to get pros on board to help new guys along. This is a big learning process for me so it helps for the average Joe to understand from my perspective. Welcome aboard for the adventure!
Is there any way to install heavier rollers or weaker springs ? Maybe a heavier bolt & nut on the roller.
There is, I believe someone in the comments mentioned it.
The wear on the juggernaut is probably from the belt, run the other the same amount of time and recheck it.
It's definitely belt dust.
About the missing stamp/mark at the torque zilla: maybe Jii clutch forgot it?
Most likely. It looks very close, some of the parts are exactly the same.
@@fatbuddycat the Juggernaut has stainless spider. The torque zilla seems to be steel.
@@LilPopeye they look to be interchangeable......hmmmm....best of both worlds....🤔
Grab yourself an American made Comet belt. The performance difference and longevity easily makes it worth it over the Chinese ones.
I noticed the Chinese ones would stretch and get loose, giving you rough engagement as well.
A Comet 203592A is the belt being used with the Tork Zilla actually! Love those Comet belts. I run the Chinese ones as long as they last though!
I've been running the same 3 for $20 Black Horse Racing belt with my Juggernaut since Feb. 2020. No stretch. No wear. Minimal dust.
I've had a lot of belt stretch on most all of the Chinese belts and even tried a Ebay Kevlar belt probably Chinese made and it was the worse set of belts for stretch.
I bought 2 of them and I had about 15 miles on the bike with tons of slippage that was so bad I removed it and put a new Chinese belt on. I never used the new
second belt and marked it up as a bad buy. I've had nothing but belt stretching on the stock driver clutches and bought the Juggernaut. That drive pulley is really
impressive! The power is smooth, less noise, engagement and release is smooth. Time will tell if the belt is stretching and if it does, I will go with the Comet belt.
@@theoldfartschannel3692 Belt stretch was my biggest problem! The stock clutches would grab then release and grab again with a lot of shock to the
drivetrain when the belt had stretched. I had to nurse the throttle up to rpm and if there was a hill or too much power applied the factory driver would
do this. This could snap a belt, break a chain or break something on the bike.
So what one is better
I own 3 Torkzillas. They are very similar and neither company makes the drivers themselves. EC has HD spyders that fit in both of them.
It's all about how each motor is set up gear ratio!
Gear ratio?
Thumbs up for the Namaste!
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With the tork- zilla having weaker springs, this should have more stall time than the juggernaut.
Lower tension springs engage and load the engine sooner.
Also, they may be made out of recycled wobbly front shopping cart wheels. I'm not an engineer though
That is an accurate description!
Best investment I made was to buy the Juggernaut to replace those junk stock driver clutches. Hardly any noise running it, smoother engagement/release and good acceleration.
Absolutely! They run the internals harder and wear bearings quicker than a standard 30 series but if you run your engine wisely and change your oil often....every little bit helps.
Which is the knockoff?
I guess it depends who has a patent to design and manufacturing, others they both could be. I own three of the silver ones.
@@fatbuddycat I’d bet it is all Chinese manufactured- there are no patent laws there. I worked for an international manufacture (42 years) we could literally bring a complex part to China and have production copy manufacturing ready in 4 to 5 days. None of it makes it right it’s just the wild - Wild West in China and they handle export without question.
Way too many variables to compare. Company specs may (probably) differ, between companies.
Different manufactures are going to use different steel suppliers, so different steel hardnesses, is it 420 steel, or what are they smokin bro.
Different suppliers for springs, made of different steel, hardened by different processes, hardened to different specs, maybe some spring are 20lb resistance and other manufaturer might use 30lb springs, so maybe they flex at different load points..... wheels may be same size, but are they made of the same compounds, so maybe one type compresses under load sooner than the others,... too many variables to really compare.
Ohh wait, look Maa, the sun is coming out, I'm going riding.
Side ponder, Why is the Comet a faster CVT ?? Maybe just the angle of the face plate of the driver ??
The Comet fully engages and runs out up top for sure. I'm loving the Comet with aluminum weights and pink garters. I heard the springs are a little stiffer on one. More people with experience have taken them apart by now. This was a while back.
My tilloston is not starting
Oh no, what is it doing now?
It has gas oil new spark plug it’s giving spark the kill switch is connected
@@ghikjedv5442 is it pulling easily? Slide carbs are a son of a gun.
Yes is pulling easy
On Monday I cleaned the carburetor and I started 3rd pull
🤬 the torque converter channel!
Lol, I'm FatBuddyCat aka Mr.Torque Converter.
Gps sells china Amazon parts for more money.
What you can assume is one is made in China and the other is copied in China 😮.
Tweeker
It's pronounced Tork-zill-a.
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