Lens Talk: Irix Cine Primes vs DZOFilm Pictor Zooms
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- Опубліковано 18 січ 2021
- In depth thoughts, comparisons, complaints, and sample footage from my last 6 months shooting with the Irix Cine Primes and DZOFilm Pictor Zooms. Irix and DZOFilm are two of the current leaders in affordable cine lenses.
Shot on 8K Red Helium and 6K Red Komodo.
#lenses #cinematography #reviews #dzofilm #irix #pictorzooms - Фільми й анімація
Sorry about the couple of very yellow close up shots. Had a late grade change, and a couple shots slipped through the cracks.
Thank you for sharing your ecperiences with us...I loved your Sigma vs Rokinon Comparison. And the video about editing system for Red Raw.
Glad it's helpful!
thanks for your honesty. Your style of talking and the authenticity you spread is quiet unique. Really liked it to watch your video while shimmering my Vespid set.
Thanks man! Kind of reminds me that a own stlye is what makes people individual 🔥
Keep it up man! really great and honest stuff. I really enjoyed it🙏
Appreciate it!
@@Moviesauce my pleasure.
Just bought a 21 mm T 1.5 for my gh6. Thrilled with my first cine lens. Can't wait to shoot
Great analysis and great advice at the end.
Thanks!
Can't believe I watched till the end 😁😁, I think I am in love with Pictor. Zooms
Very interesting. Watched till then end too :-)
Subscribed!
I appreciate your effort and natural talk , not sounding like a robot like other UA-camrs,seems like a normal conversation.
Irix customer service is very slow,they reply but on 1 out of 5 emails as I contacted them many times in the past.
It's a small company as far I'm understanding.
About the DZO Pictor,your insights are very helpful ,I was about to buy the 20-55 to use it with my Blackmagic Ursa G2 and 6K's but I probably won't . I don't want to mess with mount changes, parfocal issues etc. Why they cannot send them with EF and optional PL as well? Won't make sense for such an expensive lens. Anyway,I will wait until they actually send it as an EF mount.
I'll work with my Sigma 18-35 for now I guess.
Thanks! Yeah, I prefer the vespid approach where you can order them as EF or PL but they will be interchangeable as well. You just buy the other mount (and I'm assuming shims) separately.
Shame and it's a good optical lens for a great price, good looking and it seems solid build.
Those things won't go together typically.
Imagine that the majority of the cinema cameras (the one that people can actually buy) is EF mount and not PL.
Well well. Who knows,maybe one day
This was helpful, thanks. I appreciated your approach to the Rokinon vs Sigma Art debate a few years back as well, and am still working with my Sigma Arts. I'm definitely intrigued by both of these options. What is your opinion of the sharpness of the Irix 45mm vs the DZO Pictor Zoom 20-55 and the Sigma Art 18-35mm?
Cheers.
Just purely subjectively, I'd rank the Sigma the sharpest, the Pictors a close second, and the Irix last. They're all sharp, but the Sigma has that clinical super sharpness. The Pictors are sharp but have a bit more personality. The Irix is sharp, but I think because it's also the fastest lens of the three, in my head it feels a bit softer because it can go to 1.5. I suspect if you did a scientific comparison of the three they'd all still be on the "very sharp" end of the scale.
From what I've seen so far, the Vespids seem like a very good affordable standard set. Good build quality, nice image quality, an overall good bang for the buck.
I do like the Irix lenses as well, but they just seem like sort of "specialty" lenses to me. Three focal lengths to choose from, unusual ones at that? I don't know, I'd rather have a full set of more well-known focal lengths so I can finesse the shots a bit more. But maybe that's just me.
Kind of an off-topic question, but do you plan on making a video explaining your Komodo rig setup? I noticed you're using the Tilta cage in combination with the Revolva, which is very interesting to me because I thought the Tilta top plate would protrude from the camera body just enough to not allow the Revolva disc to fit. Apparently it does fit, but I'd still like to see in more detail what kind of rig you built for yourself. So I do hope you can elaborate or show off a little more.
Yeah, I can do a piece on the komodo rig. Got some more tilta toys coming soon so may wait and do it all together.
@@Moviesauce Great, looking forward to it!
Hey thanks for sharing, you mentioned using the DZO Zooms on your Helium. I have a Helium as well and haven’t been able to find any footage of both the zooms used at 8K FF, do you get any vignetting? Would love to check out some sample footage if you have any I could check out. Thanks!
You can check the camera/format/lens coverage on the CVP lens page: cvp.com/tools/cameralens
@@egerto Thanks, what a great resource!
Would love to see a follow-up video on what you decided to do with your lenses. The IRIX 30mm has been out for awhile now and looks nice!
I’ve got the 30 and 21 now. Will try and get around to an update soon
@@Moviesauce that would be awesome! Assuming you kept the DZOfilm lenses, in what situations do you find yourself reaching for them over the IRIX lenses?
@@vnilla1579 I’ve sold them and got the full frame DZOFilm Catta Zooms because I have a full frame Red v raptor now. Will probably have to make a couple of new videos, ha.
@@Moviesauce I’ll be keeping my eye out for your new videos! Thank-you for the quick replies!!
@@Moviesauce What's your preference for the V-Raptor? I'm considering DZO Vespid vs Irix for VV. I'm really torn between the two brands but haven't tested either. I like the idea of DZO because they also offer the Catta and Anamorphic 2.0 as Irix only has the cine primes.
Thanks for the thoughtful review. Have you considered the SLR magic microprime APOs as an option?
They're definitely a step down IMO. I bought one of them once for my Fuji XT3 and wasn't a fan of the build quality. Sent it back.
@@Moviesauce Any issue regarding the APO Microprimes? I'm between them, SRL and Irix. Great review, by the way. Thanks!
Can't really speak to the APOs, but am a big fan of the Irix
Have you tried the DZO Vespid primes yet? I’m curious about the Irix vs DZO Vespids vs Meike - all full frame, all in the same price point - and the Vespids come in a complete set of focal lengths
I have not. They're supposed to be pretty solid though.
Nice, humble review. "No people ask me", crap. I have the 15mm BMPCC 4k mft and the 45mm for my BMPCC 6k Pro EF. They told me the same thing they told you, later this year: summer??. The DZOFilm zooms you needs rods or rallies. Was thinking about Cinematics Zoom, but sure I trust the company. Shims are pain. I may just save up for Sigma Zoom. I am keeping the Irix, I got the teacher discount. thanks peace
Irix just had a big lens announcement this week and it's a......45mm Medium Format lens....hmmm...
What lens do you consider as the most universal (as for clients)? I've just bought Blackmagic 6 K PRO with 15 cine Irix for a backtage gimbal purpose, but I am really in love with DZO (that aesthetics, sterile and sharp style, nice separation, vintage look, but also with a little bit of chromatic abberation for atmosphere as well!), and considered Zooms or Vespids as well. I guess now is the time to decide. In terms of wide lenses, there is Tokina 11-20 mm, although it's a zoom. I'd like to shoot some home commercials (macro lens needed), but also some music clips etc. Also, which mount would you recommend? Should I buy EF now, when planning to buy Komodo in the future? I guess the long future, if my business take off :)
Just to draft a price tag difference in my country: Irix cine are usually 1150 usd , DZO Vespids are 1750 usd per unit. When bought together, the price goes to 1550 usd per unit, but buiyng a whole set is a bit too much for a beginner. Considering that, what would you pick up?
If you can only buy one lens, something like a 24-70 F2.8 or the amazing Canon RF 28-70 F2. Or start in the middle of a prime range and work your way out. A 35mm prime is a good all around lens. The sigma 24-35 F2 is a good all around lens too. Just depends on how soon you think you'll be adding more lenses and whether or not you want a full kit. I don't think I'd recommend the DZO zooms for the start of a kit. You could buy 4-5 really good primes and have more overall versatility. Just depends on what you shoot and what you like. There's no wrong answer. You'll adapt to whatever you have. We're in a golden age of lens options right now.
@@Moviesauce it can be a whole set, I was just asking for a brand to start with :) I can definitely get 3 prime Irix cines or 2 vespids for a price of Sigma 18-35 T2. I guess gathering money for Sigma primes would took to much… I guess my maximum price range are vespids, but the most important question is do you find them too specific to be universal? I started searching from Rokinon DSX, then checked Meike and my question is: where to stop upgrading to get that bang for the buck :)
Dear Moviesauce, do you know if there is much difference between Tokina 11-20mm Cine version and the new ATX-i 11-20mm stills lens version ? Thanks for this content!
They should be the same optically.
hello and thanks for the review. hoe is the coverage on Helium8k FF, I have the Gemini and wold love to know if they cover 5k HD which is almost identic in size.
I am on the fence between the DZO kit and the upcoming Tokina 25-75 which has a larger image circle but almost no sample footage yet. The DZO lenses look great on almost all sample shots. Have you noticed distortion, artefacts or CA - THANKS
I haven't tested at 8K FF. I normally just shoot at 8K HD or 2:1. I'll have to give it a try and report back. My hunch is the 20-55 will have slight vignetting at FF, but surely someone has tested them extensively on an Gemini by now.
I love the Pictors and would highly recommend them, but all things being equal, if you can just as easily get the Tokina 25-75, my assumption is that would be the slightly nicer/cleaner/better lens. The Tokinas are kind of a gold standard.
But you won't be disappointed with the quality of the DZOFilm Pictors either. Really just comes down to character. I like a little character to the lens. I think the DZOFilms will have a little more character.
I notice that your video, here in youtube, has great colors and lightning! I presume you've captured this in a Red camera. I wish my videos have this quality too! Would you mind to share your export settings to YT?
Color and lighting have nothing to do with export settings.
I use the default UA-cam 4k preset in Media Encoder.
@@Moviesauce Thanks!!!
Great video! Can you use the EF Pictorzooms with a Metabones or MC-11 adapter? To shoot with a A7S for example?
I wouldn't know personally, but it would be a strange thing to do. In general if you're going to shoot on a full frame camera, use full frame glass. I think people rely too much on adapters these days.
Would you mount a Pictor 20-55mm EF mount on a Fuji XT4 with a Fringer ? Would you do that, could it work or is it too much, overkill? Whats your experience opinion , since I believe you shot Fuji X as well if I’m not mistaken 🤔
Thank you, much appreciated!
I’ve used an XT3 as a stills camera, not really for video since I have better video cameras. I experimented with adapting my EF lenses but decided it was better to use XF lenses with the fuji - mainly for electronics, the adapters I tried were crap. But that wouldn’t be a problem with a manual lens like the Pictor. I personally wouldn’t do it, but if it’s what you have and it looks good, there’s no reason no to.
What do you think of the Xeen CF vs the Irix
I've not personally used the CF Xeens, but the fact that they have a complete kit is a big plus. They're also the same glass as the regular Xeens which have been around for a while now.
What a picture. I'm died)
I kind of understand IRIX using “odd” focal lengths. When you think about it 45mm is equivalent to the popular 28mm used with super 35 cameras. The new 30mm works out to around the same focal length that an 18mm lens would give on super 35. Some goes for their 135 macro which gives the similar field of view/focal length equivalent as 90-100mm lenses on super 35. I feel like they were trying to create a uniform set of lenses that provide a familiar cinema look while still working on full frame sensors.
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Who uses lens hoods for cinema tho?
Probably the same people that buy budget cinema lenses.
Moviesauce 🤣
Moviesauce I’m sure since we’re both here, looking at a budget lens, and both turning our noses up at the idea, we may be in some sort of minority. Lol
what audio lav mics are you using
Tentacle Track E
@@Moviesauce thanks bro 🙏🏿 great video im convinced to buy the irix cine lens this year
Do you know the number of elements?
Nope
Very beautifully shot and made, the right person handles the right gear, makes the image out from the Pictor Zoom looks really premium. But to be honest, the whole rhythm is kind of too slow for a lens review video, now it's more like a director commentary of an author film, the review structure could be a little bit more edited out with more logical framework. Great job anyway, thanks! Subscribed.
Thanks for reviewing my review
@@Moviesauce 😅
The Irix images looks better to me.
They are sharper and cleaner image, yes. But the comparison is kind of off tbh, since the ones from IRIX are primes, and the DZOs are zooms, while the development of the IRIX are more prone to the modern side, the DZOs are about organic image... they really completely different stuffs except the price range, or at least the comparison should have been about primes from both companies (since DZO does have cine primes too), not primes vs zooms.
DZO primes weren't out when I made this.
Wow, calling a deep rear element a mistake is an arrogant call. There are a bunch of lenses that have deep rear elements. The angenieux DP Rogue lenses are a good example. You can't use lenses with a deep element on film cameras with a mirror box. It's not a design flaw it's a design choice that allows the lenses to be smaller and more affordable.
The angenieux are PL mount lenses (without an ef option). There are some PL mount lenses with a deep rear element. I've yet to find another EF lens that does.
And for that matter, when it's configured with the PL mount rather than the EF on the pictors, I don't believe it's considered to have a deep rear element. It's compatible with the PL Revolva without a modification when some of the typical PL glass with deep rear elements are not.
Also, the Angenieux DP Rouge lenses are pretty old glass at this point. I'd be surprised if anyone was releasing new deep rear element glass in today's market.
@@Moviesauce The lens is the same distance from the sensor no matter the mount. There may be more room inside a certain mount but the rear element is the same distance from the sensor, it has to be for the lens to work. Any lens that can not support a mirror box and is in a format that originally was built around a mirror box by definition has a deep rear element. There are a bunch of them. EF and PL originally were built around mirror boxes for film cameras, hence the DP rogue lenses were a big deal at the time. They could not be used on film cameras. The DZO zoom look like they would not work with a mirror box & as I understand they wont even clear the glass in a speed booster. My point is that it is obviously not a design mistake, it is the reason you can get such a small and affordable lens like that. The fact that you have a third party accessory that happens to not work with it is hardly the fault of the lens manufacturer.
@@Moviesauce The DP rogue being old is an odd comment, aside from the fact that I would consider them a rather recent lens, the DP Rogue's make the point that deep rear elements are a design feature not a design mistake. I would expect that we will increasingly see lenses with deep rear elements as mirror boxes are a thing of the past. Hell the hugely popular speed boosters are only possible because of the removal of mirror boxes and the protrusion of the rear element. So I would expect that deep rear elements will become the norm. It is the best way to get affordable, fast and lightweight lenses so I sure hope more companies jump on board.
@@Moviesauce Finally, DZO clearly have released deep rear element lenses in today's market, and they appear to be massively popular.
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but nobody cares what a lens hood looks like on a cinema lens😂
A. The Irix Cine lenses come with a lens hood. So at the very least the people making the lens care.
B. For lightweight rigs, especially with behind the lens ND filters like with the Kippertie mounts I use, a lens hood is preferable to a matte box.
C. 90% of people with matte boxes are really just using them for show - makes their rig look more "pro." I personally hate using them. Unnecessary size/weight/bulk/added time when changing lenses...in most cases.