Once I realized the video was about Jin being "glitch" broken and not "overpowered top tier" broken, though they kind of blend together in Jin's case, I knew that arcade version df1 cancel was going to be here. The only reason I even know about it is because of Maina Highway's videos. With the subject being Jin bugs, I kind of expecting something he may or not still have in Tekken 8. It might be patched out by now, but if a Player 2 Jin broke a balcony, then clipped the grounded opponent with his Rage Art, it would cause visual effects from the opponent's Rage Art to start appearing in front of them. Given that it only works, specifically, with a P2 Jin, not just being on the P2 side, and requires you to waste resources to pull off something completely impractical, it's the kind bug I wouldn't mind them leaving in.
It's a great video overall, but I can't ignore Rubbish's fixation about correcting other content creators while portraying them as dumbasses or people who spread misinformation on purpose. That's like, his second or third video where he includes corrections about someone else's video while mentioning their names and showing them how wrong they are, his "The Greatest Technique You Never Heard Of" video is based entirely on this, saying how you can tell a lie lots of times and it becomes a fact, while also correcting people about frame data. This really feels like a dick move considering Rubbish himself includes lots of bias and omission in his videos when he wants to make his distorted opinions look like facts, like when he made a 40min video shitting on HitBoxes and saying they're played solely because of technical advantages (when Fightsticks are preferred by most tournament winning players), or when he made his "Fighting Games are Very Unfair" video saying how Slayer gets oppressed vs Ky and his Yellow Roman Cancel, while "forgetting" to say Slayer excels at everything else in the game and ends rounds easily whenever he scores a counter. Doing this sort of thing when your own content is based on non-factual takes is a poor attempt to make you look smarter than everyone else
you mentioned the hitboxes, i know someone who used them solely because his wrists were so fucked up from playing mishimas he had to use something without a lever
Laser scraper was without a doubt intentional. Remember Tekken 4 had an arcade release, so they would’ve patched out in the console release if it was a bug.
I dunno man, that game was so rushed and did so poorly, they probably said screw it and immediately began work on Tekken 5. Shame to cause T4 is my favorite
I'd say it was intentional as well but there's a possibility that it slid under the radar since T4 it was hated in Korean arcades (that was and is one of the biggest Tekken regions). They just went back to Tag 1 before Tekken 5 rightfully fixed T4's deserved criticism (gameplay-wise).
@@Cat_in_The-Box It wasn't Tekken 4 nor a change between arcade and console, but the first arcade version of Tekken 2 had King's df1 with the same guard stagger and guaranteed launch on block that Tekken 1 did. They fixed it in "Version B," which was the basis for the console version. But, that's somewhat telling - they initially missed the biggest thing to fix in Tekken 1.
Some stuff worth mentioning about d/f+1, 2: The dash cancel was retained by Devil Jin in Tekken 5/DR, but he didn't cancel out before the second hit. Still though, in DR this gave Devil Jin obnoxious oki off of every launcher since he could end it with a d/f+1, 2 spike and then dash into very rewarding follow ups that were generally very low risk, including picking up back rollers with something like a a crouch dash into WS4 pick up. I saw Gandido run this on people, including my friend, when he visited NYC and was playing at Chinatown Fair. Regular Jin also has a version of the dash cancel, but it's off of his WS1, 2, and it's generally not all too useful. He just kinda sucked in general in 5.0 and DR. At least in 5.0 his 2, 4 retained that great knockdown though. One more funny thing I recall is in Soul Calibur 5 you can put Devil Jin's moveset on a custom character. That version of his moveset had the ability to do the Tekken 3 version of the d/f+1, 2 cancel, but it was tied to meter. I don't remember every trick you can do with it in that game, but I think I recall 1, 1, 2 being guaranteed if they blocked the d/f+1. It was hard as hell to execute though.
T5 Jin had no lows, if you hit the opponent YOU lose your turn and get punished. Add low damage on top of that, you were better off using Kazuya or Devil Jin.
listen. I love your content. Ima watch this later. As a Jin main since Tekken 4 when I first saw the hoodie and main him in every game since (now both normal and Devil Jin) I must say he is always broken and he should be always broken. When Jin is top 1 of 1, the game just feels right. Jin being top 5 is acceptable but the stronger the better. The tekken gods smile upon me when both Jin and Devil Jin are Top 5
If you're going to begin inviting other's to do breakdowns on non-3D games/characters, perhaps you would consider doing Virtua Fighter, considering they just announced that VF6 is in the works. VF is still mine and many other people's favorite of all time. and I say this as someone who only plays 2-D fighters.
There's callback to the Oni cancel in Soulcalibur 5. The game had Devil Jin as a guest moveset you could give to a custom character, and the movelist had a 3A that you could spend half a bar of meter to cancel. The game has ringouts and the move disabled air control, so juggles could be deadly with two bars of meter. However the character was banned because the conmunity didn't want to maintain a standard custom character for tournaments.
Title name: Jin is always broken Video Content: Jin was broken in Tekken 3 and 4. Nothing said about Jin in 5 6 and Tag 2 Rubbish stays having trash opinions lol nice music tho
I hope I'm not making things up but I'm pretty sure Jin got his T3 oni cancel in his moveset during story mode when he uses his mishima stance against Kazuya. Although very nerfed and balanced. 😂
good video but it ended just as i felt it was getting started. i would expect a video with this caliber of title/thumbnail to be like 40 minutes long, be extra comprehensive, and go in depth into every iteration of jin. the depth was there, just not the length. but im not the one who has to put the hard work into this, so whatever
Bro jin was weak in tekken 5 to tekken tag 2 although he was a bit better in 6 and tag 2. Also didn't this rubbish person make a video where they defended akuma saying akuma is a mid tier character or something like that?
Rubbish writes biased opinions about the things he dislikes and tries to convince everyone else he's saying facts. He made a 20min video about how Slayer from Guilty Gear Xrd is oppressed by Ky Kiske but actually slayer is excellent at almost every single aspect of the game
@@rogeriodelima6397 so it is the same person then. Thats why the video felt a bit biased. As far as i remember jin or devil jin has never been 'broken' except t4 jin. Sure they had op stuff but the others had equal or way above tools to counter them
video is more about broken in unintended way then character strength way. But yeah it's strange to see a collab with GarbageMan™. And including JF Laser Scraper is definitely a wrong choice, what kind of "bug" is going to have the same visual effect as other hidden JF attacks?
@@doublejacketjimmy391 yeah the thing is jin has never been broken or overpowered in any of the games except Tekken 4, he was really strong in t7 but he was one of the most execution heavy characters in the entire cast. Also they didn't speak enough about t5 jin he was absolutely rubbish in it.
why have I only heard about the special wind god fist, is this real? I've never seen anyone use it or even talk about it in the internet except for this video
If you mean the stance at 1:49, Jin uses Devil Jin's stance at the end of the Tekken 8 story mode during one of the boss phases, the footage is likely a mod using that version of Jin in a practice setting.
@ Jin uses the omen stance at the end of the story though which is the same as heihachi. But I agree with you, it must be a mod because devil Jin has a different fighting stance compared to Heihachi
@@Sheenulus But why not just use the regular Jin? If the suppose point of that segment is to show how problematic that move even on T8 Jin, why use a mod?
What's the point of Jin being always broken, when Jin mains are always gonna suck, even to this day I make Jin mains rage quit using Anna of all characters. Also you didn't talk about the T8 b4 problem.
The inescapable line is in reference to a glitch wherein Akumas RA would not allow the vast majority of the cast to escape by jumping if he executed it after a Ki-charge. This was removed in Season 3 (the same time as he gained the ability to combo into it with a juggle).
@@TheJakeJackson That is funnily the exact thing that made the Ki-Charge Demon inescapable. Demon is actually coded to interact with the opponent just holding up, they don't actually have to be airborne for it to whiff, as long as they were holding up they could avoid it (which funnily enough made some characters able to make it whiff by being in a stance that didn't allow jumping and just holding up, though this was also patched.) Ki-Charge demon could only be escaped by actually being airborne however, which Tekkens very slow pre-jump frames were too slow to handle.
Bro, i came here to watch TheoryFighter not Rubbish. I like Rubbish but they talk utter nonsense. Jin is broken 1. "here is a bad move you can do by accident." 2. Tekken 4 Jin 3. He's pretty good in Tekken 3 with Game shark. Like wtf. Who fucking cares! I was waiting for it to kick in and it never happened.
Once I realized the video was about Jin being "glitch" broken and not "overpowered top tier" broken, though they kind of blend together in Jin's case, I knew that arcade version df1 cancel was going to be here. The only reason I even know about it is because of Maina Highway's videos. With the subject being Jin bugs, I kind of expecting something he may or not still have in Tekken 8. It might be patched out by now, but if a Player 2 Jin broke a balcony, then clipped the grounded opponent with his Rage Art, it would cause visual effects from the opponent's Rage Art to start appearing in front of them. Given that it only works, specifically, with a P2 Jin, not just being on the P2 side, and requires you to waste resources to pull off something completely impractical, it's the kind bug I wouldn't mind them leaving in.
Alright I'm gonna fight Jin Kazama
⚡️D A H⚡️
Dang Jin Kazama got hands
It's a great video overall, but I can't ignore Rubbish's fixation about correcting other content creators while portraying them as dumbasses or people who spread misinformation on purpose. That's like, his second or third video where he includes corrections about someone else's video while mentioning their names and showing them how wrong they are, his "The Greatest Technique You Never Heard Of" video is based entirely on this, saying how you can tell a lie lots of times and it becomes a fact, while also correcting people about frame data. This really feels like a dick move considering Rubbish himself includes lots of bias and omission in his videos when he wants to make his distorted opinions look like facts, like when he made a 40min video shitting on HitBoxes and saying they're played solely because of technical advantages (when Fightsticks are preferred by most tournament winning players), or when he made his "Fighting Games are Very Unfair" video saying how Slayer gets oppressed vs Ky and his Yellow Roman Cancel, while "forgetting" to say Slayer excels at everything else in the game and ends rounds easily whenever he scores a counter. Doing this sort of thing when your own content is based on non-factual takes is a poor attempt to make you look smarter than everyone else
that slayer video premise is insane if true
you mentioned the hitboxes, i know someone who used them solely because his wrists were so fucked up from playing mishimas he had to use something without a lever
"Slayer gets oppressed?" Slayer downplay is wild.
Hold on, was he talking abou Xrd Ky or Strive Ky?
@@Sorrelhas The video was on Xrd Ky and Slayer
The Rubbish/TheoryFighter/Tekken collab is insane.
Laser scraper was without a doubt intentional. Remember Tekken 4 had an arcade release, so they would’ve patched out in the console release if it was a bug.
Maybe, I'm not familiar with arcade t4. Have they fixed any other bug between arcade and console version of tekken 4?
I dunno man, that game was so rushed and did so poorly, they probably said screw it and immediately began work on Tekken 5. Shame to cause T4 is my favorite
I'd say it was intentional as well but there's a possibility that it slid under the radar since T4 it was hated in Korean arcades (that was and is one of the biggest Tekken regions).
They just went back to Tag 1 before Tekken 5 rightfully fixed T4's deserved criticism (gameplay-wise).
Console port hat teleport bugs still so without a doubt you’re giving ppl too much credit.
@@Cat_in_The-Box It wasn't Tekken 4 nor a change between arcade and console, but the first arcade version of Tekken 2 had King's df1 with the same guard stagger and guaranteed launch on block that Tekken 1 did. They fixed it in "Version B," which was the basis for the console version. But, that's somewhat telling - they initially missed the biggest thing to fix in Tekken 1.
Soul Calibur 5 Devil Jin has the oni cancel. It's a secret move that costs gauge but it works the same way as the original
Some stuff worth mentioning about d/f+1, 2:
The dash cancel was retained by Devil Jin in Tekken 5/DR, but he didn't cancel out before the second hit. Still though, in DR this gave Devil Jin obnoxious oki off of every launcher since he could end it with a d/f+1, 2 spike and then dash into very rewarding follow ups that were generally very low risk, including picking up back rollers with something like a a crouch dash into WS4 pick up. I saw Gandido run this on people, including my friend, when he visited NYC and was playing at Chinatown Fair.
Regular Jin also has a version of the dash cancel, but it's off of his WS1, 2, and it's generally not all too useful. He just kinda sucked in general in 5.0 and DR. At least in 5.0 his 2, 4 retained that great knockdown though.
One more funny thing I recall is in Soul Calibur 5 you can put Devil Jin's moveset on a custom character. That version of his moveset had the ability to do the Tekken 3 version of the d/f+1, 2 cancel, but it was tied to meter. I don't remember every trick you can do with it in that game, but I think I recall 1, 1, 2 being guaranteed if they blocked the d/f+1. It was hard as hell to execute though.
In SC5 you can give a custom character Dvj moveset? 10/10 game I need to play it.
@@alondjecktoNah, as funny as that is, Sc5 isn't a good game. Especially not if you actually like Sc...
Oh yall are using both Jin and Devil Jin. Because I remember for a fact Jin being wack in Tekken 5-6 😂
Wdym
I will not hear this slander of my goat
T6 Jin was decent. T5 Jin was meh
T5 Jin had no lows, if you hit the opponent YOU lose your turn and get punished. Add low damage on top of that, you were better off using Kazuya or Devil Jin.
Literally my first thoughts when I clicked on this video. But the vid is more focusing on Jin being broken as in a glitch, not OP
Considering Story Mode Jin in Tekken 8 can do the charged Laser Scraper, ima say it was probably intentional lol
play this video at 1.25x, much better to watch and listen
Really appreciate the explanation of the oni cancel, had seen it in TAS videos and never understood how it worked!
1:49 Isn't that Devil Jin? That stance. That's not Jin
Yeah lol T8 Hin has EWHF unless he uses Heat Awakened Stance
I guess they did it just for visual similarity without all the setup
And the elctric and animation are different for Jin lmao they used devil Jin body to make it look cooler.
Glad I checked the comments to find out Rubbish is in this video so I didn't waste my time watching 👍
the jin blue uppercut is also in T7 files and can be accessed with a moveset editor along with a blue hellsweep
Man, I just started looking at your vids again only in this past hour and you upload something dunking on my main since 6? I feel called out...
NGL, I love Tekken 4, but not from the competitive perspective. It's one of my favorite games to play through the Arcade mode on.
The Oni Cancel looks like a precursor to Street Fighter 4's FADC
Jin's DF 1 Oni cancel is still present in Tekken 8 while fighting kazuya at the end of story.
Awesome video, weird question tho?
What font did you guys use for “SPECIAL WIND GOD FIST”?
It's called Tahyp-rahy-ter 22
@ Appreciate that bro! 🙏🏽
listen. I love your content. Ima watch this later. As a Jin main since Tekken 4 when I first saw the hoodie and main him in every game since (now both normal and Devil Jin) I must say he is always broken and he should be always broken. When Jin is top 1 of 1, the game just feels right. Jin being top 5 is acceptable but the stronger the better. The tekken gods smile upon me when both Jin and Devil Jin are Top 5
Finally, someone did a full guide on T4 Laser scraper
They kept that cancel foe SC5, pretty neat
Tekken 4 Jin was so bad he paid for it in tekken 5 and 6
The type of tekken videos i crave
good stuff
If you're going to begin inviting other's to do breakdowns on non-3D games/characters, perhaps you would consider doing Virtua Fighter, considering they just announced that VF6 is in the works. VF is still mine and many other people's favorite of all time. and I say this as someone who only plays 2-D fighters.
The last part is almost lore accurate that Jin learned all the bullshit cancels from Heihachi lmao. Great observation and video.
I need you to know how much i love your videos consistently sick ass content💜
High quality and entertaining video. But I do feel a bit misled by that video title. This really only showed Jin being broken in old games.
Damn what a great intro to the video actual cinema very nice choice of music watched the whole video just for the intro~!
There's callback to the Oni cancel in Soulcalibur 5. The game had Devil Jin as a guest moveset you could give to a custom character, and the movelist had a 3A that you could spend half a bar of meter to cancel. The game has ringouts and the move disabled air control, so juggles could be deadly with two bars of meter. However the character was banned because the conmunity didn't want to maintain a standard custom character for tournaments.
Damn that's a tight image 1:00
Okay i thought this would be another jin crybaby vid, but the vid actually turned out to be really interesting
oh a rare fellow stoner/doom rock enjoyer i see xD Bongripper slaps
That's my Goat
That's my Main
That's my Jin
Title name: Jin is always broken
Video Content: Jin was broken in Tekken 3 and 4. Nothing said about Jin in 5 6 and Tag 2
Rubbish stays having trash opinions lol
nice music tho
About the intro and akumas rage art. You could just jump when he did that and then punish.
Quick note you can escape Akumas rage art I'm T7 you just had to jump
Not only "if it can be done, it will be done", but "if it can be done, some rando out there will learn how to do it consistently"
Uh oh, NovaSeiken 2 hour documentary reaction vid incoming!
I was hyped for the new TheoryFighter video, until I saw the description...
00:03:00 box of exploding coilgun ammunition in the background
Wait what?
i hate to be that guy but anyone who has played Tekken 7 on a decent level know they have to jump as soon as Akuma starts his rage art
Fuck yeah bongripper
That's why he's the GOAT! THE GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAT!
Subbing for Tekken x Bongripper
Yo that's my boy Jim Tekken
am i watching this is slow motion?
Jin should have been in Smash Bros
And thats why Jin is the main character of the series
"Akumas inescapebable rage art.." lol just jump backwards
Where can I find the Tekken 3 typeface? The editing in this video was incredible!
u can also do the Oni Cancel in soul calibur 5 when u play a custom character with devil jins fighting styyle
THIS DUDE DOIN' STRINGS!
I did not know about the Special Wind God Fist!
But you forgot to mention that actually a mini version of jin's dash cancel does exist in tekken 8, only final battle jin can perform it
Need to change this title to Jin was broken in 1 game stronger in another. Tekken 4, 5, 6, tag 2 dude was trash
Shout out to T6 where Jin Kazama was C-TIER at best!
Tekken Tag 2. Boom, you’re wrong
Two of my favorite fgc content creators collabing :)
When you watch a really promising video essay on Tekken and Rubbish is narrating it 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔
I hope I'm not making things up but I'm pretty sure Jin got his T3 oni cancel in his moveset during story mode when he uses his mishima stance against Kazuya. Although very nerfed and balanced. 😂
Speaking of Jin, how good would his fireball form SFxT be in Tekken, considering it functions more as a mine than as a projectile?
Oh heeeeell yeah
Whaaaat? Noo! How could you think that? 😂
Great Video!
good video but it ended just as i felt it was getting started. i would expect a video with this caliber of title/thumbnail to be like 40 minutes long, be extra comprehensive, and go in depth into every iteration of jin. the depth was there, just not the length. but im not the one who has to put the hard work into this, so whatever
lightning of fate
Great work 👍
Bro jin was weak in tekken 5 to tekken tag 2 although he was a bit better in 6 and tag 2. Also didn't this rubbish person make a video where they defended akuma saying akuma is a mid tier character or something like that?
Rubbish writes biased opinions about the things he dislikes and tries to convince everyone else he's saying facts. He made a 20min video about how Slayer from Guilty Gear Xrd is oppressed by Ky Kiske but actually slayer is excellent at almost every single aspect of the game
@@rogeriodelima6397 so it is the same person then. Thats why the video felt a bit biased. As far as i remember jin or devil jin has never been 'broken' except t4 jin. Sure they had op stuff but the others had equal or way above tools to counter them
video is more about broken in unintended way then character strength way. But yeah it's strange to see a collab with GarbageMan™. And including JF Laser Scraper is definitely a wrong choice, what kind of "bug" is going to have the same visual effect as other hidden JF attacks?
Probably the word “broken” in this context means “working not as intended” instead of “Overpowered”.
@@doublejacketjimmy391 yeah the thing is jin has never been broken or overpowered in any of the games except Tekken 4, he was really strong in t7 but he was one of the most execution heavy characters in the entire cast. Also they didn't speak enough about t5 jin he was absolutely rubbish in it.
Tekken 5 Jin says otherwise
Instead of calling it "special wind god fist", how about call it "imperfect wind god fist"
5.0 and 5.1 jin was ass come on. Also 6.0 jin was bottom tier. He was ok in br and 7.0 in fr he was ok
1:00 goes hard on 360p
Laser scraper wasn't unintentional
@NovaSeiken How we feeling about this lmao
IS THIS BBTAG FOR MY UA-camS?!?!?
JIN KAZAMA
why have I only heard about the special wind god fist, is this real? I've never seen anyone use it or even talk about it in the internet except for this video
chef kiss
Amazing Video 🕹️
a jimmy video finally
And he still couldnt beat Law, Nina, Yoshi or Ling in that game.
Why was Jin having the devil Jin stance?
If you mean the stance at 1:49, Jin uses Devil Jin's stance at the end of the Tekken 8 story mode during one of the boss phases, the footage is likely a mod using that version of Jin in a practice setting.
@ Jin uses the omen stance at the end of the story though which is the same as heihachi. But I agree with you, it must be a mod because devil Jin has a different fighting stance compared to Heihachi
@@Sheenulus But why not just use the regular Jin? If the suppose point of that segment is to show how problematic that move even on T8 Jin, why use a mod?
they don't even have to use mods either since jin can do electric wind god fist from b 1+2 in heat
What's the point of Jin being always broken, when Jin mains are always gonna suck, even to this day I make Jin mains rage quit using Anna of all characters. Also you didn't talk about the T8 b4 problem.
This is THEORY, bish!
Buff Jin plz
Correction: Akuma's Rage Art is not inescapable. You could jump over it
The inescapable line is in reference to a glitch wherein Akumas RA would not allow the vast majority of the cast to escape by jumping if he executed it after a Ki-charge. This was removed in Season 3 (the same time as he gained the ability to combo into it with a juggle).
@HQRubbish ohh really? Wow... I didn't know about that
@@shaolinchaplin7500You also have to realize that jumps in Tekken are not airborne until frame 9 (frame 6 for some special attacks)
@@TheJakeJackson That is funnily the exact thing that made the Ki-Charge Demon inescapable. Demon is actually coded to interact with the opponent just holding up, they don't actually have to be airborne for it to whiff, as long as they were holding up they could avoid it (which funnily enough made some characters able to make it whiff by being in a stance that didn't allow jumping and just holding up, though this was also patched.)
Ki-Charge demon could only be escaped by actually being airborne however, which Tekkens very slow pre-jump frames were too slow to handle.
Bro, i came here to watch TheoryFighter not Rubbish. I like Rubbish but they talk utter nonsense. Jin is broken 1. "here is a bad move you can do by accident." 2. Tekken 4 Jin 3. He's pretty good in Tekken 3 with Game shark. Like wtf. Who fucking cares! I was waiting for it to kick in and it never happened.
RUBBISH THEORYFIGHTER COLLAB LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
0:48 can she still do this?
Why does asura jin go so fuckin hard?
it's lore accurate ig 😭
barbarxii sent me here
U know... he is the main character lol
I miss Steve, he’s missing in T8
I ❤ Soap.
By the way Steve main since Tekken 4 🤭
Ayyy rubs lezgo
Tekken 3 Japam Playstation version oni cancel code?
Not really always broken but yh hes always okay or good
im king
Bro wtf is this title this is just clickbait. Literally only mention t3 and t4 and not mention he was trash and mediocre in t5/6?