It's a Mage college story. Shalidor was the Archmage of the mages college, so powerful and so wise he could use magica to influence the natural world around him to create life… He had such a knowledge of nagic that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The deeply indulging in the magical scriptures is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be.... unnatural. Anyway, you have some Skooma?
Wait a minute, if Shalidor made Winterhold with magic and the nords don't like magic anymore maybe it was the lack of magic that caused the great collapse. And that's why the College Of Winterhold was barely effected, because it was magic.
I'm sure that the college survived because it had wards of protection. Winterhold fell because they didn't have protection from magic threats. The nords aren't about to put wards around their city. Nords are right to not trust magic though, because magic is very dangerous. Nords are more wise than they are given credit for. Mages always tend to be bad for Skyrim, unlike the rest of tamriel.
I know, right? I loved Fudgemuppet before Drew joined Scott and Michael, but after? Just... *chef's kiss* 👌 Drew's ability to tell a story and paint complex pictures with his words is truly unmatched by most-and he's only gotten _better_ at it with each passing video, which is the best part. Most nights I'll just pull up a playlist of every Drew video on the channel before I go to sleep and let it play through the night (Drew's TES Bingefest for anyone interested-you can just type that into the YT search bar and you'll find it-its continually updated by its creator to add all of the new videos, usually very quickly, although just the latest few haven't made it in yet which is 100% understandable given the sheer _chaos_ that *Anu* has been letting *Padomay* spread throughout our world recently, not to mention the sordid "blessing" that the dastardly *Peryite* so _"graciously"_ bestowed upon humankind last year), because I think one of the *best* things about him is that not only can his voice _soothe you to sleep_ at night with some beautiful Elder Scrolls lore, but it can also _captivate you_ and keep you at the _edge of your seat_ during the day, with the *exact same videos.* I mean that's just such a special thing to be able to do, and _very very few_ others on UA-cam are able to pull that off, as it's usually just one or the other for most people. And don't worry Michael and Scott, I've got plenty of love to share with you guys on your next videos too hahaha 😉 I'll add a link to that Drew playlist down here too if you want to go straight to it ☺️ *Here ya go, friends:* ua-cam.com/play/PLm3c-jHjMLNoTVRQGf2zv9VeuQATLaPE6.html
I mean, you know it would have had to have been a wizard. I personally always wanted to grind some Nirnroot in with the sticky icky, see if I can’t make my head start singing
Hope Winterhold gets restored in the lore. Even if its not as grand as it was, but just a proper town. And that the city & college's relationship would improve.
Whith ESO we can hope to learn about the past of Skyrim since ESO is a thousand+ years before Skyrim events... Just take the time to read all the book available in the dungeons related to Skyrim they can give some hints about the lore
From what I've seen of already featured areas of tamreil in eso, it would not suprise me if eso made a post cataclysm winterhold. I'd really like to be proven wrong, but getting my hopes just gives them more of a chance to disappoint me.
With it being unable to serve as a port, nor having any natural resources, and existing in a DRASTICALLY harsh climate, there's really no reason to settle there aside from the college, so I don't see it growing much. It's also directly between Dawnstar and Windhelm, so anyone seeking a port from Morrowind would probably continue on to either of those even if a port could be formed. Sadly, it's a terrible location for a settlement. Contrast the other chilly cities- Windhelm has a naturally protected port, and is just southerly enough for farms to be viable. Dawnstar has a great location as the last port stop before Solitude, as well as significant mineral wealth. Solitude is the closest port to Markarth (making it the gateway for its vast mineral wealth to head outward), has a huge well protected natural harbor and extremely defensible position, and a fairly temperate climate for its location. There's unfortunately just nothing to commend Winterhold, as much as I like it.
@@thiscomment2010 Why would they do that? Aside from the timeline being very concrete already, there's really not much benefit. And ESO has actually done a great job fleshing out the lore in every expansion since Vanilla (Vanilla had some troubles with the lore probably due to its vastness and trying to convert it to an MMO, but each of the expansions has done an excellent job).
I might be reading too much into this but I feel like cultural decay is a theme of the elder scrolls. Obviously they were inspired by middle earth and even the real world dark ages after the collapse of the Roman Empire. Anyways my point is in the elder scrolls there is always this underlying theme that “things used to be better” in earlier ages. You constantly find the ruins of great civilizations, whether it’s elven ruins, dwemer cities or ruins of imperial fortresses, it’s clear things have been falling apart for generations, which at some point lead to the Nords being these backwards Norse hicks
@@brmblazer To support your claim, if you'll play Arena and Daggerfall and then Skyrim you'll notice that the cities are way less Advanced than they were hundreds of years ago and guards are wearing less impressive armors. Even people are wearing less Rich and stylish clothing. A lot of ancient weapons and armors are far surpassing current equipment and even the people of the past are stated to be far greater than "modern" heroes. Unlike mortal races tho, technology and Magic of Daedra remains the same and that's something.
@@brmblazer I have to disagree with the “better” part. Magic was much more evident, but it was much more volatile and chaotic as well. The abundance of magic also meant an abundance of mythical threats Dragon overlords and what not. Certainly however, Nirn is becoming more and more mundane with each passing era as Magnus’ grip seemingly wanes.
The more you delve into Elder Scrolls lore, the more you begin to realize that magical capabilities and even some technologies have actually taken several steps *backward* by 4E201. It's no wonder the Thalmor defeated what was left of the Empire: Alinor didn't regress as far.
Yeah, the Empire has even limited certain magical practices, whereas I'm sure the Dominion doesn't have as many restrictions. The fact that the Nords back in the day had rather decent/well established Clevermen and are now reduced to a less glorious, dumbed down race of people really goes to show a lot. Tamriel was far more magical back in the day. It also doesn't help that various races of Mer had been wiped out, and the Elves have proven to be masters at magic and building sophisticated Empires and nations. It's also worth noting that Dominion provinces also suffered from the Oblivion Crisis, but the High Elves managed to survive the blunt of Dagon's blow, given their higher understanding of Magic and the natures of Oblivion were greater than that of the other Imperial Provinces.
@Wirr Ling True. I think every nation and/or province in Tamriel were in the midst of a Dark Age to one degree or another by the time the events of ES5/Skyrim took place. It would be fun if ES6 set the stage for another Akaviri invasion under the impression that Tamriel in general has been weakened and divided.
@Wirr Ling I agree completely. Even in Skyrim, there are a number of households with human and elven spouses occupying them. Which would seem to indicate that the Thalmor wouldn't have popular opinion on their side, even within their domain.
You know, I have noticed that it's not just magic. Maybe it's just their legends being puffed up over time, but even the martial masters of ages past are shown to consistently outperform the best blade masters and fighters of the day. The declining ability of mages is even more obvious, but it seems like every specialization has been suffering. And I was thinking... what if Alduin was supposed to eat the world way back when (when he fought the Nord Heroes in the Dragon Wars), and everything since then has been the world slowly burning out? It's existed longer than it was supposed to; a new kalpa should've been created from its ashes. But like in Dark Souls, the world was artificially kept alive (in this case using the scrolls to banish its end). What if Akatosh initially intended to let Alduin go through with the eating of the world in the Dragon Wars, but the use of an Elder Scroll flung him forward, and Akatosh (rather than intervening) decided to let it happen? To give these mortals a chance to prove that the cycle wasn't necessary? But without the ability to destroy and recreate existence, the world is getting a bit... long in the tooth. Exhausted. Weak.
The Elder Scrolls generally follows the Tolkien model of a world of dying magic, so it makes a certain amount of sense. Or rather, it would probably be more accurate to say they're both examples of creating mythology in the modern era, which necessitates that the scale of magic slowly dwindles into the world we know today.
Many epic mages in Elder Scrolls are straight up level 20, DnD mages. Divayth Fyr, Mannimarco, Vanus Galerion, Sotha Sil (even before being empowered by the Heart of Lorkhan) all say hi.
As the Arch Mage in my play-through, I used mods to reconstruct Winterhold. Considering the College’s vast wealth and the fact that Jarl Kraldar is eager to acquaint with the College, I like to think that it’s not too far fetched in terms of Lore.
I always do the Dwemer researchers quests because he gives a spell that's juuust right to heat up the convectors... gotta be perfect for heating up a stew or lighting a smoke
But the entire Rourken clan was stopped by a single dude for a while. And, arguably, they aren’t more advanced. Magic can make up a lot of differences, and the Dwemer only defeated the Nords due to a civil war in Skyrim and joining with the Chimer. Chimer, Altmer and the Khajiit of Rimmen have an equivalent way of living. And militarily, they have long been surpassed. Hell, even in their time they weren’t too special military. Who needs automotons if you have magic and the Thu’um?
@@liamplunkett9551 he didnt need Dwemer Robots, he needed the Numidian. It was the peak of Dwemer tech, and Talos needed it because he wanted to ascend to godhood. Reman conquered Summerset without the need of the Numidian. If you read the Arcturian Heresy, you see that it was less for his conquest and more for his political ambitions. He used it to remove rival families without consequence, and eventually he used it to ascend to Godhood. Tiber is Lorkhan’s heir. The Numidian was powered using Lorkhan’s Heart. Using his own essence, that of another Lorkhan avatar, Wulharth, and Zurin Arctus
@@Theology.101 everything u said made sense but what about Tiber septim being lorkhans heir? That threw me off. Unless u didn't mean it as his literal heir and more in a figurative sense.
So every time I do a pure mage character, I obviously do the College questline first. However, I also go through Shalidor's Maze to get the Diadem of the Savant AND the Gauldur Amulet. I figured if the new guy is gonna come in and take over, he better have some relevant artifacts to cement to the role.
@@thalmoragent9344 they really need to give us what happened to the Night of Tears. It was hinted that the Nords almost dug up the Eye of Magnus due to approximation but it is still too far-fetched to be the reason why they slaughtered the Nords. My guess was the vampire faction but they are closer to the border than to be in the Sea of Ghosts. It's like Bethesda (or whoever is responsible now) just said "fuck it, we didn't really think things through so we're just trying to put things in"
@@wanderingbufoon True, doesn't seem Bethesda knew what to do or what the Eye of Magnus really was either, and so that and the Snow Elf story in the Dawnguard DLC was also a bit half-assed. And I agree, not having the whole story about the Night of Tears is also very telling. We hear everything from the Nordic perspective, and not a single Snow Elf is around to tell their side of the story and the events that unfolded. We're told that they had peace, then one night the Falmer went across and just butchered a city? Yeah, sounds a bit sketchy, like we're not being told the full truth. No sort of diplomacy, certain events or anything took place beforehand? How'd the Falmer know it was there? What or who tipped them off, and what were the Nords doing with it? Lol, low key, imagine if the Clevermen tried to enchant a weapon or had messed with it, and it sent out a pulse or something and messed up part of the city, and the Falmer saw/found out and the local lord sent a small Army to investigate any dangerous Daedra or rogue mage activity, and when they realized the Nords were tampering with something as destructive as the Eye and hadn't even consulted them, they demanded the Eye be handed over, but since it happened at night, and the Snow Elf maybe didn't ask too nicely (cause I mean, he'd be pissed) the Nords take it as an insult or trespassing on their settlement, and a fight broke out... which of course the Snow Elves won. There's a whole slew of things that could've happened, but Ysgramor wouldn't have to say anything except "they slaughtered us in the night" and the Atmorans back home wouldn't have any reason to doubt him, especially if the 500 came back and saw Saarthal in ruins. It wouldn't be a lie per say, but not a full truth. Unfortunately, we'll never know. Maybe that happened, maybe it didn't, maybe a Cleverman sneezed on the Eye of Magnus and the Falmer were triggered, who knows.... but history is written by the Victors, so unfortunately, as far as the Nords and most fans are concerned, the Nords are the ones telling the "truth", and the Falmer "deserved everything that happened to them". Plus, Nords and their stories and history books are full of poetry and the various Embellishments, so the story may have been skewed over time as well.
Shalidor is a character who I always wanted to know more about. The early Nords are always shown as powerful warriors, but they aren't always depicted as great mages. So when an archmage Nord is walking around, you know he is unique.
The nords do have a history of powerful mages, the nordic clevermen of ancient times were powerful mages. Back then the thu'um was widespread and magic was respected. Shame that by the 4th era human civilizations seem to be hading towards a dark age.
Especially given that Shalidor had an understanding of magic that very few can match. Even most Elves couldn't match his magical proficiency, let alone Humans and Beastfolk.
Literally. When I first started playing Skyrim I didn’t really do the college much, and the archmage robes when I got them usually went to a mage follower. Nowadays I play much differently and have been playing almost exclusively with the archmage robes on… and it took me a few play throughs to completely agree with this sentiment @OP I REALLY think they could’ve done a way better job with shalidor even the shalidor insight quests , and book quests are fun in their own rights but the shalidor insight rewards are just SCROLLS. I mean I guess that’s cool but maybe some scrolls and a tome would’ve been really cool. Or like scrolls and a map of some kind to a piece of gear. I’ve downloaded a few winterhold improvement mods but if you know any college improvement mods I’d love to know
You know, it just makes a lot of sense that Drew's favorite god would be Y'ffre. He has such a great storytelling voice, and he's great at spinning a tale. Michael and Scott are more energetic and excitable, but when I just want something to listen to in the background, Drew's lore vids are one of my go-to's.
It's sad that Shalidor's maze technically is a one way path, just with a few "puzzles" from all magic schools. If it had been an actual maze (though not incredibly hard) it would've been better. Maybe some magical 'tests' at every dead end or something like that.
I feel like the College questline really missed a chance to have us follow in Shalidor's footsteps. It would have been much cooler if we went to learn more about him, then see how the Nord's attitude towards magic changed. It would also be a good chance to have the college react with the city that hates them, giving you the opportunity to change their minds by showing them the benefits of magic.
Thank you Drew, for blessing my earss and my day with your amazing voice, you truly are the Bard Of FudgeMuppet And & The Lore of The Elder Scrolls. I'm very grateful and blessed to have found your channel. If it's not Drew, It's Not Coool! That's my guideline for FudeMuppet Lore Specific Videos. Scott and Michael do a great job too! I just can NOT get over listening to Drew every night.
...the use of the Ignite spell on specific herbs, and the events of 1E 420? There are no accidents, Drew my friend. Though, how many times did Shalidor use Ignite on specific herbs? 69 times? 🤔
The northern tundra men seem to have an affinity for frost magic, and may serve you chilled ale and mead. How about the desert men of the west who are fond of curved swords? Curved. Swords. They have pipes ready at any time, too.
Actually Shalidor's 'maze' is a labyrinth. Which a maze is a winding path with multiple dead ends. A labyrinth is a long winding path but has no splits. Ergo why the message you get is 'enter twice, exit once'
We know that the College of Winterhold dates back *at* *least* to the very Early First Era, during the Dawnguard questline when you’re looking for the Moth Priest Serana says, and I quote: “before I was locked away, the College of Winterhold is where I would have gone for any kind of magic or historical thing” And we know that Serana and her family are older than the Empire because when you ask her how long she’s been locked away after freeing her for the first time she is flabbergasted, saying “Cyrodill is the seat of an Empire?!”, meaning Serana (and the College of Winterhold) were a thing before the Alessian Slave Rebellion and the overthrow of the Aylieds
No, Serana was locked away in the second era, after the Reman empire's collapse. After all, she recognizes the name Cyrodiil as a province, it was only named so after Reman Cyrodiil conquered much of Tamriel and founded the Reman Empire, renaming Nibenay and Colovia as "Cyrodiil" as a single province after himself. However that Empire collapsed during the second era and all of Tamriel's provinces became independent once again. So Serana would have been locked away somewhere in that period, where Cyrodiil was powerless and struggling due to being bordered on all sides by hostile nations, including the Nords.
@@redshirt49 No, the Reman Empire was the Second Cyrodilic Empire The First Cyrodilic Empire of Man was founded by Alessia in the wake of the Slave Rebellion Hence, Serana must have been locked away before 1E 242
:O In all the times I have played, usually as a mage, I have never been through Shalidor's Maze, or even found it in Labyrinthian. I think I hear Skyrim calling. BRB.
Man, everytime I think about old nords, I'm just reminded of the fact that those same old nords were out there killing Snow elf babies, pregnant women, and little boys that had nothing to do with the night of tears or whatever the fuck it was.
The Maze of Shalidor is so un-immersive to me. Calling on schools of magic that weren't even established yet when it was built. Schools that have changed so drastically in just the last few hundred years, much less over thousands of years ago. Should've been specific spell effects instead.
@@samuelhaverghast2442 That's ridiculous. There's no feasible way for him to know what the schools would be called, or what their symbols would be, or much less that the common language would be Cyrodiilic for the notes.
That 420 joke really caught me off guard lol. Only Drew the Daedrologist can make such a random joke while sounding as serious in every word of the joke, as the serious words
You should see the relationship between Shalidor and Sheogorath in ESO, quite entertaining watching a legend like Shalidor having to deal with an utter daedric jackass
It didn't surprise me when the last dragonborn became the next Arch Mage.May be Akatosh wants the dragonborn to find what shalador took and bring it back to him the rightful owner.But it will also affect Shalador in some way when this secret has been returned to Akatosh ?🤔
About Spellbreaker's quest for its original owner : it was a shared characteristic of Arena artefacts (maybe Daggerfall too, unsure, but fairly sure that's gone in Morrowind ?) that they could disappear (and you could only have one at a time, barring some 'creativity').
@@madisonsosa21 oh well, least I oblivion still has me. But yeah this and those channels are great. But personally I like camel because he's deep, I like that.
Two things I learned from this are: the irony that the most powerful mage ever is a nord. And that no one is safe from being fooled by the 7d chess player that is sheogorath
Have you ever noticed that there is a map to the Labarynthian on the cover of the great yellow book of riddles, which is a very common book you find them everywhere.
Already doing it now. Got installed Ordinator Summermyst Wintersun Thunderchild Aurora standing stones Tonal artecture Arcanum Apocalypse Odin Triumverate Cosmic spells Phenderix The dark arts The vile art of necromancy Many more spells Glamoril the maze of shalidor
Im tryna watch this before bed and all I can focus on is the deep breath in, between every sentence and it's so baddd 😭😭😭 pls get some noise suppression so it's not in future videos because I absolute love the lore content you guys produce! Keep up the incredible work other then that ❤️❤️
I recently rewatched David Lynch’s Dune, knowing it’s significance as a novel in science fiction, do you think there’s a referential connection to the Wyrding of house Atreides and the Thuum of the Nords?
Imagine if the Nords never stop using magic, they could probably overthrow the Thalmor from Skyrim and then help the Empire in overthrowing the Aldmery Dominion from the rest of Tamriel.
Well, the High Elves are also very good with Magic, and their Navy is the most OP in Tamriel. They could give the High Elves quite the fight, but I don't see the Empire even with Nords who had good Magic being able to take on the Dominion. It took a God weapon to defeat the Mer of the 2nd Dominion, and the 3rd one is small compared to the Empire, yet still caused the Empire to fall back onto its last leg. The modern Nords would need to be as big and tough as the Ancient ones, and have Thu'um wielding Clevermen amongst them, and even then, the Dominion's Elven Magic is nothing to scoff at.
@@thalmoragent9344 You are right and of course it won’t be easy but if the Redguards and maybe Bretons joined then they would have chance, that being said if the nords could use the thu’um like the old days then they would be seriously op.
@@soul_prodigy1016 Yeah, the Thu'um would be OP, true, but we already know the Bretons and Redguards already fought in the Empire during the Great War, and as Fudgemuppet once said, that initial resistance had bearly been adequate to begin with, so with the Thu'um, they certainly could've held the line a lot better, but as we saw in the Great War, the Nordic Legions would take time to make it to the front lines. But yeah, the Thu'um would be a game changer, and I imagine the White-Gold Concordat wouldn't have been as much of an ultimatum as it was after the Great War
@@fauzanabdulkahfi957 Vaermina's Orb is hardly a weapon by any means, although good for surveillance. And even then, that was mostly Lord Narafin who was already in control of much of Southern Cyrodiil, Lady Aranelia was totally fine on her front. The Dominion was doing just well on its other fronts without copious amounts of Daedra influence, so even without it, they'd still be OP. We know the Altmer are great magic users, it's no surprise, and the Bosmer and Khajit are excellent to have as fighters as well.
Ah yes, pyro-alchemy in the year 420 of the first era. Not many remember the *high* arts.
the high elves certainly do
@@oghaze9318 the dank elves as well
I was looking for this lol shalidor is giving me gandalf vibes
Indeed. Ever since Skooma made its way North, the traditional high arts have been long forgotten
@@MandelbrotMetalhead I liked it better back then, when I used to make weed with juniper berries mixed in
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Shalidor the Archmage? It's not a story Sheogorath would tell you about.
You, I like you
Really clever
I see you played ESO 😂
It's a Mage college story.
Shalidor was the Archmage of the mages college, so powerful and so wise he could use magica to influence the natural world around him to create life…
He had such a knowledge of nagic that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The deeply indulging in the magical scriptures is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be.... unnatural.
Anyway, you have some Skooma?
Wait a minute, if Shalidor made Winterhold with magic and the nords don't like magic anymore maybe it was the lack of magic that caused the great collapse. And that's why the College Of Winterhold was barely effected, because it was magic.
I like this theory.
Oooh smart think! I like this idea a lot
You sir are a clever man
Interesting theory, would love to see this implemented into canon
I'm sure that the college survived because it had wards of protection. Winterhold fell because they didn't have protection from magic threats. The nords aren't about to put wards around their city. Nords are right to not trust magic though, because magic is very dangerous. Nords are more wise than they are given credit for. Mages always tend to be bad for Skyrim, unlike the rest of tamriel.
God Drews naration is godly. Feel like im in a wintery tavern huddled in a corner with him being cloaked and old telling me this story over a brew.
"Drew's narration". I know you meant that 😊 just clarifying.
I know, right? I loved Fudgemuppet before Drew joined Scott and Michael, but after?
Just... *chef's kiss* 👌
Drew's ability to tell a story and paint complex pictures with his words is truly unmatched by most-and he's only gotten _better_ at it with each passing video, which is the best part. Most nights I'll just pull up a playlist of every Drew video on the channel before I go to sleep and let it play through the night (Drew's TES Bingefest for anyone interested-you can just type that into the YT search bar and you'll find it-its continually updated by its creator to add all of the new videos, usually very quickly, although just the latest few haven't made it in yet which is 100% understandable given the sheer _chaos_ that *Anu* has been letting *Padomay* spread throughout our world recently, not to mention the sordid "blessing" that the dastardly *Peryite* so _"graciously"_ bestowed upon humankind last year), because I think one of the *best* things about him is that not only can his voice _soothe you to sleep_ at night with some beautiful Elder Scrolls lore, but it can also _captivate you_ and keep you at the _edge of your seat_ during the day, with the *exact same videos.*
I mean that's just such a special thing to be able to do, and _very very few_ others on UA-cam are able to pull that off, as it's usually just one or the other for most people.
And don't worry Michael and Scott, I've got plenty of love to share with you guys on your next videos too hahaha 😉
I'll add a link to that Drew playlist down here too if you want to go straight to it ☺️
*Here ya go, friends:* ua-cam.com/play/PLm3c-jHjMLNoTVRQGf2zv9VeuQATLaPE6.html
No lie.
And Sheogorath calls him “Shallidorable”.
With cheeese!
I mean, he soloed a fricking dwemer army lol
My mage character can solo anything in seconds
@@JustTryinaDuck you are you still have the same it was a temporary pregnancy is a good day please find 5
@@randomspoofmakers hm yes indeed
Gotta grind that xp somehow
@@randomspoofmakers my mind has been opened.
I don't care what others say, Shalidor being the progenitor of 420 Blaze it back in first era is considered CANON in my head
I find the Mundic Herb helps with my magic - Shalidor.
I mean, you know it would have had to have been a wizard. I personally always wanted to grind some Nirnroot in with the sticky icky, see if I can’t make my head start singing
@@guiltygearalonecompl TBH, I think that would hurt you.
@@alw2839 Bruh, setting anything on fire and breathing in the vaporized remains harms you lol no one who smokes anything lives forever
@@guiltygearalonecompl Yes. I'm specifically refering to the effects of nirnroot when eaten raw.
Hope Winterhold gets restored in the lore. Even if its not as grand as it was, but just a proper town. And that the city & college's relationship would improve.
I think we'll get to see a pre-destruction Winterhold in ESO. There's a curiously DLC sized gap in the middle of the Skyrim zones currently available.
Whith ESO we can hope to learn about the past of Skyrim since ESO is a thousand+ years before Skyrim events... Just take the time to read all the book available in the dungeons related to Skyrim they can give some hints about the lore
From what I've seen of already featured areas of tamreil in eso, it would not suprise me if eso made a post cataclysm winterhold.
I'd really like to be proven wrong, but getting my hopes just gives them more of a chance to disappoint me.
With it being unable to serve as a port, nor having any natural resources, and existing in a DRASTICALLY harsh climate, there's really no reason to settle there aside from the college, so I don't see it growing much.
It's also directly between Dawnstar and Windhelm, so anyone seeking a port from Morrowind would probably continue on to either of those even if a port could be formed. Sadly, it's a terrible location for a settlement.
Contrast the other chilly cities- Windhelm has a naturally protected port, and is just southerly enough for farms to be viable. Dawnstar has a great location as the last port stop before Solitude, as well as significant mineral wealth. Solitude is the closest port to Markarth (making it the gateway for its vast mineral wealth to head outward), has a huge well protected natural harbor and extremely defensible position, and a fairly temperate climate for its location. There's unfortunately just nothing to commend Winterhold, as much as I like it.
@@thiscomment2010 Why would they do that? Aside from the timeline being very concrete already, there's really not much benefit. And ESO has actually done a great job fleshing out the lore in every expansion since Vanilla (Vanilla had some troubles with the lore probably due to its vastness and trying to convert it to an MMO, but each of the expansions has done an excellent job).
Back when Nords didn't hate magic
It got less brutal and they stopped caring
@@gamercore5216
A shame
Nords owe their success to magic and enchantments. Without them, they'd be killed by Falmer during the Meretic era
I might be reading too much into this but I feel like cultural decay is a theme of the elder scrolls. Obviously they were inspired by middle earth and even the real world dark ages after the collapse of the Roman Empire. Anyways my point is in the elder scrolls there is always this underlying theme that “things used to be better” in earlier ages. You constantly find the ruins of great civilizations, whether it’s elven ruins, dwemer cities or ruins of imperial fortresses, it’s clear things have been falling apart for generations, which at some point lead to the Nords being these backwards Norse hicks
@@brmblazer To support your claim, if you'll play Arena and Daggerfall and then Skyrim you'll notice that the cities are way less Advanced than they were hundreds of years ago and guards are wearing less impressive armors. Even people are wearing less Rich and stylish clothing.
A lot of ancient weapons and armors are far surpassing current equipment and even the people of the past are stated to be far greater than "modern" heroes.
Unlike mortal races tho, technology and Magic of Daedra remains the same and that's something.
@@brmblazer I have to disagree with the “better” part. Magic was much more evident, but it was much more volatile and chaotic as well. The abundance of magic also meant an abundance of mythical threats Dragon overlords and what not. Certainly however, Nirn is becoming more and more mundane with each passing era as Magnus’ grip seemingly wanes.
The more you delve into Elder Scrolls lore, the more you begin to realize that magical capabilities and even some technologies have actually taken several steps *backward* by 4E201. It's no wonder the Thalmor defeated what was left of the Empire: Alinor didn't regress as far.
Yeah, the Empire has even limited certain magical practices, whereas I'm sure the Dominion doesn't have as many restrictions.
The fact that the Nords back in the day had rather decent/well established Clevermen and are now reduced to a less glorious, dumbed down race of people really goes to show a lot.
Tamriel was far more magical back in the day. It also doesn't help that various races of Mer had been wiped out, and the Elves have proven to be masters at magic and building sophisticated Empires and nations.
It's also worth noting that Dominion provinces also suffered from the Oblivion Crisis, but the High Elves managed to survive the blunt of Dagon's blow, given their higher understanding of Magic and the natures of Oblivion were greater than that of the other Imperial Provinces.
@Wirr Ling True. I think every nation and/or province in Tamriel were in the midst of a Dark Age to one degree or another by the time the events of ES5/Skyrim took place. It would be fun if ES6 set the stage for another Akaviri invasion under the impression that Tamriel in general has been weakened and divided.
@Wirr Ling I agree completely. Even in Skyrim, there are a number of households with human and elven spouses occupying them. Which would seem to indicate that the Thalmor wouldn't have popular opinion on their side, even within their domain.
You know, I have noticed that it's not just magic. Maybe it's just their legends being puffed up over time, but even the martial masters of ages past are shown to consistently outperform the best blade masters and fighters of the day. The declining ability of mages is even more obvious, but it seems like every specialization has been suffering.
And I was thinking... what if Alduin was supposed to eat the world way back when (when he fought the Nord Heroes in the Dragon Wars), and everything since then has been the world slowly burning out? It's existed longer than it was supposed to; a new kalpa should've been created from its ashes. But like in Dark Souls, the world was artificially kept alive (in this case using the scrolls to banish its end).
What if Akatosh initially intended to let Alduin go through with the eating of the world in the Dragon Wars, but the use of an Elder Scroll flung him forward, and Akatosh (rather than intervening) decided to let it happen? To give these mortals a chance to prove that the cycle wasn't necessary? But without the ability to destroy and recreate existence, the world is getting a bit... long in the tooth. Exhausted. Weak.
The Elder Scrolls generally follows the Tolkien model of a world of dying magic, so it makes a certain amount of sense. Or rather, it would probably be more accurate to say they're both examples of creating mythology in the modern era, which necessitates that the scale of magic slowly dwindles into the world we know today.
Shallidor is a 20th level DnD Wizard stuck in The Elder Scrolls
Many epic mages in Elder Scrolls are straight up level 20, DnD mages.
Divayth Fyr, Mannimarco, Vanus Galerion, Sotha Sil (even before being empowered by the Heart of Lorkhan) all say hi.
As the Arch Mage in my play-through, I used mods to reconstruct Winterhold. Considering the College’s vast wealth and the fact that Jarl Kraldar is eager to acquaint with the College, I like to think that it’s not too far fetched in terms of Lore.
What mods do that?
@@MCLefka The mod I use is called “Winterhold Restored”. It’s on Xbox One.
Need to learn that ignite spell. Always losing my lighters for my “special herbs”
Bro same
Don't do it. The Ignite spell is too powerful. You'll cash it in one go. 15 seconds of burn time, whether you like it or not.
I always do the Dwemer researchers quests because he gives a spell that's juuust right to heat up the convectors... gotta be perfect for heating up a stew or lighting a smoke
@@shadehunter Yeah.... better learn "VAPORIZE!!!!" 😭🤣😂😆
@@shadehunter the smoker must be an expert of controlling magicka output to make the fire as small as a tinderbox
Dude the dwemer were a different breed they were multiple eras ahead of everyone else
But the entire Rourken clan was stopped by a single dude for a while. And, arguably, they aren’t more advanced. Magic can make up a lot of differences, and the Dwemer only defeated the Nords due to a civil war in Skyrim and joining with the Chimer.
Chimer, Altmer and the Khajiit of Rimmen have an equivalent way of living. And militarily, they have long been surpassed. Hell, even in their time they weren’t too special military. Who needs automotons if you have magic and the Thu’um?
@@Theology.101 tiber septim needed dwemer tech to conquer Tamriel tho
Dwemer focused main resources on more of non-war technology.
@@liamplunkett9551 he didnt need Dwemer Robots, he needed the Numidian. It was the peak of Dwemer tech, and Talos needed it because he wanted to ascend to godhood. Reman conquered Summerset without the need of the Numidian.
If you read the Arcturian Heresy, you see that it was less for his conquest and more for his political ambitions. He used it to remove rival families without consequence, and eventually he used it to ascend to Godhood.
Tiber is Lorkhan’s heir. The Numidian was powered using Lorkhan’s Heart. Using his own essence, that of another Lorkhan avatar, Wulharth, and Zurin Arctus
@@Theology.101 everything u said made sense but what about Tiber septim being lorkhans heir? That threw me off. Unless u didn't mean it as his literal heir and more in a figurative sense.
"and the Arch mage got his roll of paper and Elves ear then began to grind."
**Nirnroot
Elves ears will just give you a headache.
You guys are both smoking some hanging Moss, boys.
So every time I do a pure mage character, I obviously do the College questline first. However, I also go through Shalidor's Maze to get the Diadem of the Savant AND the Gauldur Amulet. I figured if the new guy is gonna come in and take over, he better have some relevant artifacts to cement to the role.
Eyy, thanks for taking my suggestion, you guys are awesome
Thanks to YOU for being one of cinema's living legend.
@@zynosgd9982 no, thank YOU
*The Thu'um, Tonal Architecture, and Sword Singing are just hacks bro*
(Ayo, but for real guys, the poor Falmer never stood a chance against the Thu'um wielding Nords or Dragons, RIP to my Snowy bois)
It's like using the command console but ~immersive~
@@AsIfItNeverWas
Facts, the Console Commands of the Elder Scrolls universe, seeing as to how its all a "song"
@@thalmoragent9344 they really need to give us what happened to the Night of Tears. It was hinted that the Nords almost dug up the Eye of Magnus due to approximation but it is still too far-fetched to be the reason why they slaughtered the Nords. My guess was the vampire faction but they are closer to the border than to be in the Sea of Ghosts.
It's like Bethesda (or whoever is responsible now) just said "fuck it, we didn't really think things through so we're just trying to put things in"
@@wanderingbufoon
True, doesn't seem Bethesda knew what to do or what the Eye of Magnus really was either, and so that and the Snow Elf story in the Dawnguard DLC was also a bit half-assed.
And I agree, not having the whole story about the Night of Tears is also very telling. We hear everything from the Nordic perspective, and not a single Snow Elf is around to tell their side of the story and the events that unfolded.
We're told that they had peace, then one night the Falmer went across and just butchered a city? Yeah, sounds a bit sketchy, like we're not being told the full truth.
No sort of diplomacy, certain events or anything took place beforehand? How'd the Falmer know it was there? What or who tipped them off, and what were the Nords doing with it?
Lol, low key, imagine if the Clevermen tried to enchant a weapon or had messed with it, and it sent out a pulse or something and messed up part of the city, and the Falmer saw/found out and the local lord sent a small Army to investigate any dangerous Daedra or rogue mage activity, and when they realized the Nords were tampering with something as destructive as the Eye and hadn't even consulted them, they demanded the Eye be handed over, but since it happened at night, and the Snow Elf maybe didn't ask too nicely (cause I mean, he'd be pissed) the Nords take it as an insult or trespassing on their settlement, and a fight broke out... which of course the Snow Elves won.
There's a whole slew of things that could've happened, but Ysgramor wouldn't have to say anything except "they slaughtered us in the night" and the Atmorans back home wouldn't have any reason to doubt him, especially if the 500 came back and saw Saarthal in ruins. It wouldn't be a lie per say, but not a full truth.
Unfortunately, we'll never know. Maybe that happened, maybe it didn't, maybe a Cleverman sneezed on the Eye of Magnus and the Falmer were triggered, who knows.... but history is written by the Victors, so unfortunately, as far as the Nords and most fans are concerned, the Nords are the ones telling the "truth", and the Falmer "deserved everything that happened to them". Plus, Nords and their stories and history books are full of poetry and the various Embellishments, so the story may have been skewed over time as well.
I really wish we could see what Winterhold looked like before the shattering.
The Nords, hands down, have the best lore and key figures.
Shalidor is a character who I always wanted to know more about. The early Nords are always shown as powerful warriors, but they aren't always depicted as great mages. So when an archmage Nord is walking around, you know he is unique.
The nords do have a history of powerful mages, the nordic clevermen of ancient times were powerful mages. Back then the thu'um was widespread and magic was respected. Shame that by the 4th era human civilizations seem to be hading towards a dark age.
Especially given that Shalidor had an understanding of magic that very few can match. Even most Elves couldn't match his magical proficiency, let alone Humans and Beastfolk.
The two most OP mages in history, Shalidor and Ahzidal were both Nords.
_The Aldmeri Dominion disliked that._
Also, that little reference about Shalidor smoking weed at 6:10 was hilarious
Ah yes...performing 'alchemy' via igniting 'herbs'...during the year 420...
Sounds like my guy was trying an alternate method to CHIM
Meanwhile Dragonborn: does 3 quests and learns 1 lesser ward spell and became the archmage
Literally. When I first started playing Skyrim I didn’t really do the college much, and the archmage robes when I got them usually went to a mage follower.
Nowadays I play much differently and have been playing almost exclusively with the archmage robes on… and it took me a few play throughs to completely agree with this sentiment @OP
I REALLY think they could’ve done a way better job with shalidor even the shalidor insight quests , and book quests are fun in their own rights but the shalidor insight rewards are just SCROLLS. I mean I guess that’s cool but maybe some scrolls and a tome would’ve been really cool. Or like scrolls and a map of some kind to a piece of gear.
I’ve downloaded a few winterhold improvement mods but if you know any college improvement mods I’d love to know
Akatosh: “Secret of Life, yo!”
Shalidor: “I’m gonna do what’s called a ‘pro-gamer move’.”
I literally searched for a video on Shalidor while listening to your podcast only to see this baby uploaded 17 hours ago. I love you guys.
You know, it just makes a lot of sense that Drew's favorite god would be Y'ffre. He has such a great storytelling voice, and he's great at spinning a tale. Michael and Scott are more energetic and excitable, but when I just want something to listen to in the background, Drew's lore vids are one of my go-to's.
Anyone who takes on a dwemer army and walks away from it... can call themselves whatever they want 🙌. Superbly done.
Forget the Heart of Lorkan.... Shalidor is the reason the dwemer disappeared. (Totally kidding... lol)
@@shadehunter lol good one
It's sad that Shalidor's maze technically is a one way path, just with a few "puzzles" from all magic schools. If it had been an actual maze (though not incredibly hard) it would've been better. Maybe some magical 'tests' at every dead end or something like that.
ABOUT TIME MY BOY SHALIDOR GETS SOME LOVE.. Dudes lore is insane..
I was taking a bong rip when you mentioned Shaladors interest n herbs. Nice
You did it! The college is safe again thank to your work
I feel like the College questline really missed a chance to have us follow in Shalidor's footsteps. It would have been much cooler if we went to learn more about him, then see how the Nord's attitude towards magic changed. It would also be a good chance to have the college react with the city that hates them, giving you the opportunity to change their minds by showing them the benefits of magic.
We need a mage build who's a descendant of Shalidor
YES
Thank you Drew, for blessing my earss and my day with your amazing voice, you truly are the Bard Of FudgeMuppet And & The Lore of The Elder Scrolls. I'm very grateful and blessed to have found your channel. If it's not Drew, It's Not Coool! That's my guideline for FudeMuppet Lore Specific Videos. Scott and Michael do a great job too! I just can NOT get over listening to Drew every night.
The greatest mage is Arch-Mage Shalidrew.
6:06 who’s ready to smoke sone nirnroot. I got that crimson
Drew has the most soothing and lovely speaking voice - it compliments his artistic writing so well. Drew keep it up for all our sake
...the use of the Ignite spell on specific herbs, and the events of 1E 420? There are no accidents, Drew my friend.
Though, how many times did Shalidor use Ignite on specific herbs? 69 times? 🤔
The Khajiit got some competition from the North it seems
@@Serana_is_so_CUTE
The Cat-Men of the southern Sands, or the Barbaric Vikings of the northern Tundra? Time will tell 😳
The northern tundra men seem to have an affinity for frost magic, and may serve you chilled ale and mead. How about the desert men of the west who are fond of curved swords? Curved. Swords. They have pipes ready at any time, too.
420
Actually Shalidor's 'maze' is a labyrinth. Which a maze is a winding path with multiple dead ends. A labyrinth is a long winding path but has no splits. Ergo why the message you get is 'enter twice, exit once'
Thanks Drew💗
The stories of Shalidor and Magnus have long enthralled me💗
Adventure on, Phat💗
Shalidor made me get into Elder Scrolls lore when i first learned about him in the college storyline
Been waiting on a Shalidor video for ages
We know that the College of Winterhold dates back *at* *least* to the very Early First Era, during the Dawnguard questline when you’re looking for the Moth Priest
Serana says, and I quote: “before I was locked away, the College of Winterhold is where I would have gone for any kind of magic or historical thing”
And we know that Serana and her family are older than the Empire because when you ask her how long she’s been locked away after freeing her for the first time she is flabbergasted, saying “Cyrodill is the seat of an Empire?!”, meaning Serana (and the College of Winterhold) were a thing before the Alessian Slave Rebellion and the overthrow of the Aylieds
No, Serana was locked away in the second era, after the Reman empire's collapse. After all, she recognizes the name Cyrodiil as a province, it was only named so after Reman Cyrodiil conquered much of Tamriel and founded the Reman Empire, renaming Nibenay and Colovia as "Cyrodiil" as a single province after himself.
However that Empire collapsed during the second era and all of Tamriel's provinces became independent once again. So Serana would have been locked away somewhere in that period, where Cyrodiil was powerless and struggling due to being bordered on all sides by hostile nations, including the Nords.
@@redshirt49 No, the Reman Empire was the Second Cyrodilic Empire
The First Cyrodilic Empire of Man was founded by Alessia in the wake of the Slave Rebellion
Hence, Serana must have been locked away before 1E 242
Thanks for another awesome video!
I love creating unique mage builds. And one requirement for all my mages is to pass through Shalidor's Maze, before reaching adept level.
:O In all the times I have played, usually as a mage, I have never been through Shalidor's Maze, or even found it in Labyrinthian. I think I hear Skyrim calling. BRB.
@@UteChewb Do it. You can't pick up the staves tho!
As always dude you inspire to never stop playing Skyrim. Well, living Skyrim.
Man, everytime I think about old nords, I'm just reminded of the fact that those same old nords were out there killing Snow elf babies, pregnant women, and little boys that had nothing to do with the night of tears or whatever the fuck it was.
I was thinking how funny a 420 joke would have been as drew was making it.
That was one of the best videos yet guys!
"Hold on I think I'm reading the wrong text" Drew, you Crack me up bud!
to a dnd player, calling him a wizard, sorcerer, AND warlock is wild.
Sorlock multiclass makes sense but wizard? Just won't work
Pretty sure the reward for beating the maze was the diadem of the savant
That was the smoothest weed joke I have EVER heard. 🤣 It honestly didn’t register until I rewatched the video.
I solemnly swear upon this beer I'm drinking, I'll never get tired of this channel content about Skyrim.
Video idea: Rank the best version of each aedra and daedra from all the elder scrolls games
Drew's voice: 😊
The constant chattery static of compression noise: 😐
Guys, where's\ what is that tomb or...shrine, at 1:15? looks like a really nice place where you can overlook things from.
Labyrinthian is one of my favourite Skyrim locations, so I've always wanted to know more about Shalidor!
The Maze of Shalidor is so un-immersive to me. Calling on schools of magic that weren't even established yet when it was built. Schools that have changed so drastically in just the last few hundred years, much less over thousands of years ago. Should've been specific spell effects instead.
Shalidor had an understanding of magic few in Tamrial had, or currently has to this day, so his maze isn't out of place for someone of his skill.
@@samuelhaverghast2442 That's ridiculous. There's no feasible way for him to know what the schools would be called, or what their symbols would be, or much less that the common language would be Cyrodiilic for the notes.
@@ChocolateFishBrains An alternate theory - he came up with the names and symbols, and the mage's guild copied them.
@@jextra1313 actually the Psijics came up with the schools of magic
@PazuzuAzelf
Agreed, the Labyrinth should have been an entire high level questline.
The point about the schools is also a good one.
I just created a character themed as a reincarnation of Shalidor last night, your timing is impressive 👏
Very, very, VERY cool, Drew! I learned a few things. It's nice to hear about a powerful mage that isn't wholly evil.
Awesome video as always.
Also, I love that you didn't edit out your script mistake.
That 420 joke really caught me off guard lol. Only Drew the Daedrologist can make such a random joke while sounding as serious in every word of the joke, as the serious words
I love the look on peoples faces when i tell them that shalidor and vahlok the jailer would beat divayth fyr in a 1v1
That would be a 2v1
@@tcm_smitty take your semantics elsewhere
Vahlok the Jailor?
@@matthewbreytenbach4483 while theres not much lore about vahlok, i doubt divayth could pull off vahlok's feats.
@@EA_SP0RTCENTER
I had no idea who Vahlok was XD
Just looked him up and was terribly impressed.
Nice Ragnar the Red input, love it!
When lived-in Whiterun's walls are in a worst state of disrepair than the walls of Nordic ruins like Labyrinthian. 😓
They dont build em like they used to
Your videos are amazing. Keep them coming
You should see the relationship between Shalidor and Sheogorath in ESO, quite entertaining watching a legend like Shalidor having to deal with an utter daedric jackass
It didn't surprise me when the last dragonborn became the next Arch Mage.May be Akatosh wants the dragonborn to find what shalador took and bring it back to him the rightful owner.But it will also affect Shalador in some way when this secret has been returned to Akatosh ?🤔
Guys you have to make a mod list. These opening shots are amazing
I met Shalidor on the Hall of Valor I manage to get his autograph before fighting Alduin.
6:05 love the weed reference 🍃🍃🍃
Maddest of all lads competition:
Shalidor vs Manimarco
About Spellbreaker's quest for its original owner : it was a shared characteristic of Arena artefacts (maybe Daggerfall too, unsure, but fairly sure that's gone in Morrowind ?) that they could disappear (and you could only have one at a time, barring some 'creativity').
More on Winterhold and Shalidor!! Or Mage Mash up. Shalidor V Divayth Fyr? Who is greater, stronger, more adept with magic?
Wonderful video as always Fudgemuppet! Is that the Rudy ENB?
This makes me want to get back into Skyrim. I grew up playing Skyrim and been playing Oblivion a lot lately
Wow how can you abandon oblivion without completing it first. Shame on you. I always complete oblivion first. Lol
@@Bakedea87 Lol, in truth I never got into playing it. I mostly started to by this channel, Camel and Wilburgur. Love Wilburgur
@@madisonsosa21 oh well, least I oblivion still has me. But yeah this and those channels are great. But personally I like camel because he's deep, I like that.
@@Bakedea87 He is
Last time I was this early Shallidor was still breathing the smoke from when he cast ignite on that sweet herb he found down the way!
The only one he couldn't beat was Sheogorath.
6:06 🤦♂️😂
Two things I learned from this are: the irony that the most powerful mage ever is a nord. And that no one is safe from being fooled by the 7d chess player that is sheogorath
Thank you Drew 💚
Imagine Shalidor is so strong he’s a fixed point and even DragonBreaks can’t mess with him xD
I was totally amused by the fact that old Shali-dorable, has the same voice as Jarl Balgruf.
6:08 fuckin sent me bcus weed is legal where I live and I was chuffing some nirnroot wax
Have you ever noticed that there is a map to the Labarynthian on the cover of the great yellow book of riddles, which is a very common book you find them everywhere.
I always though of labyrinthians purpose as being related or similar to what the marukhati selectives were up to
Make a build based off of this video guys itd be amazing
Already doing it now. Got installed
Ordinator
Summermyst
Wintersun
Thunderchild
Aurora standing stones
Tonal artecture
Arcanum
Apocalypse
Odin
Triumverate
Cosmic spells
Phenderix
The dark arts
The vile art of necromancy
Many more spells
Glamoril the maze of shalidor
Pc im guessing???
Thanks for the video.
Huh... *starts a new stormcloak playthrough*
Drew the 🐐 with yet another vivid-color inducing trip of a video. If yall arent commissioned to help w TES6 we r rioting
Im tryna watch this before bed and all I can focus on is the deep breath in, between every sentence and it's so baddd 😭😭😭 pls get some noise suppression so it's not in future videos because I absolute love the lore content you guys produce! Keep up the incredible work other then that ❤️❤️
I recently rewatched David Lynch’s Dune, knowing it’s significance as a novel in science fiction, do you think there’s a referential connection to the Wyrding of house Atreides and the Thuum of the Nords?
It's not in the books. The weirding way of the books is about super-martial arts.
@@UteChewb Of course! The film still has significance in science fiction as well though
@@TheCreatureCorner, for people who have read the book that part of the movie is a travesty. Sure people can adopt it but don't associate with Dune.
@@UteChewb I’ve read the book, I know it’s not in there. The movie still has a cult-classic status for a lot of film buffs though.
Thanks to ESO, I will forever know him by the name "Shally-dorable".
Imagine what life would be like if Skyrim was actually real life
Imagine if the Nords never stop using magic, they could probably overthrow the Thalmor from Skyrim and then help the Empire in overthrowing the Aldmery Dominion from the rest of Tamriel.
Well, the High Elves are also very good with Magic, and their Navy is the most OP in Tamriel. They could give the High Elves quite the fight, but I don't see the Empire even with Nords who had good Magic being able to take on the Dominion.
It took a God weapon to defeat the Mer of the 2nd Dominion, and the 3rd one is small compared to the Empire, yet still caused the Empire to fall back onto its last leg.
The modern Nords would need to be as big and tough as the Ancient ones, and have Thu'um wielding Clevermen amongst them, and even then, the Dominion's Elven Magic is nothing to scoff at.
@@thalmoragent9344 You are right and of course it won’t be easy but if the Redguards and maybe Bretons joined then they would have chance, that being said if the nords could use the thu’um like the old days then they would be seriously op.
@@thalmoragent9344 and mer usef vaermina orb both of them use daedra artifact.
@@soul_prodigy1016
Yeah, the Thu'um would be OP, true, but we already know the Bretons and Redguards already fought in the Empire during the Great War, and as Fudgemuppet once said, that initial resistance had bearly been adequate to begin with, so with the Thu'um, they certainly could've held the line a lot better, but as we saw in the Great War, the Nordic Legions would take time to make it to the front lines.
But yeah, the Thu'um would be a game changer, and I imagine the White-Gold Concordat wouldn't have been as much of an ultimatum as it was after the Great War
@@fauzanabdulkahfi957
Vaermina's Orb is hardly a weapon by any means, although good for surveillance. And even then, that was mostly Lord Narafin who was already in control of much of Southern Cyrodiil, Lady Aranelia was totally fine on her front.
The Dominion was doing just well on its other fronts without copious amounts of Daedra influence, so even without it, they'd still be OP. We know the Altmer are great magic users, it's no surprise, and the Bosmer and Khajit are excellent to have as fighters as well.
You should absolutely do a strongest mages in Elder Scrolls
I love watching these