2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime Review // Still the one to beat??
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
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This is a Motormouth couple car review of the 2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime peg-in hybrid SUV. With 302 horsepower in a 2.5L 4-cylinder engine with Toyota’s hybrid system and an ECVT, it won’t disappoint. It has 68 km/42 miles of EV range. With a full tank and a full electric charge, the Prime delivers a total combined driving range of 911 km. The RAV4 Prime offers 8.2 inches of ground clearance and 4 drive modes just like the traditional RAV4, Eco, Normal, Sport and Trail. There is also an HV/EV button that cycles through hybrid and electric modes automatically, depending on how you drive. The hybrid vehicle mode uses both the electric motors and gasoline engine in tandem. When the EV mode is selected, you will be driving your SUV in pure electric power. This SUV has a unique front end with a painted grille, a sculpted front grille spoiler and black roof rails giving it a sporty design. The XSE model is available with a two-tone paint option, vertical LED accent lights and 19” wheels; 18” wheels are standard. If you are looking for excellent fuel economy, you’ll find it right here with the Prime. It earns an impressive combined city/highway rating of 2.5Le/100km, that’s 94 MPGe. With the battery depleted it gets 5.7L/100 km in the city and 6.4L/100km on the highway which is 40 MPG city and 36 MPG highway. A PHEV in my opinion is the best of both worlds especially if you suffer from range anxiety. You can choose to plug it in, gas it up or both. The RAV4 Prime offers 68 km/42 miles of EV range. In Canada, you get a standard 6.6-kW onboard charger but in the US, a 3.3-kW charger is standard with an optional 6.6-kW charger. Here’s how it all breaks down when it comes to the Prime’s charging times:
3.3-kW charger, 120-volt outlet, 12 hours
3.3-kW charger, 240-volt outlet, 4.5 hours
6.6-kW charger, 240-volt outlet, 2.5 hours
The interior of the Prime looks very similar to the RAV4 hybrid and gas models. It comes standard with an 8” touchscreen, a 7” multi-information display, Apple Carplay and Android Auto, heated front and rear cloth seats, 8-way power driver’s seat, a heated steering wheel, blind spot monitoring and rear-cross traffic alert. If you move up to the XSE trim in Canada, you’ll add a 9” touchscreen, wireless charger, mixed softtex fabric seats and a moonroof. The XSE Premium Technology package for an extra $5,400 CAD adds driver seat memory, a power passenger seat, ventilated front seats, head-up display, a panoramic sunroof, a power rear door with kick sensor, softtex seats with red stitching and an 11-speaker JBL audio system.
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As a Rav4 Prime owner, I recognize that I might be biased...but I really did do some serious math crunching myself before buying to figure out the long term cost of ownership compared to the standard hybrid. I assumed 10 years of ownership (although I honestly keep cars for longer than that...my 2004 Echo has 442,000 and going), and a ratio of 50% EV driving. The SE Prime, after rebates, was going to cost $7000 more than the LE Hybrid. The math worked...just barely. I would save nearly $7000 in fuel over the 10 years. Considering the Prime is WAY nicer to drive and has more extras, it was a clear choice. Now that I've had it for over 6 months, I can also report that I'm saving more than I estimated....about 75% of our driving is EV. And yes, I did factor in the cost of electricity....which isn't nothing, but it is only a third or a quarter the cost of gas per kilometre.
You are talking gibberish... All you need to know is with over 300 HP you can go 0-60 in less than 5.8 seconds while getting 38 MPGs. Oh and you get like over 40 electric miles.
I bought a RAV4 hybrid XSE. Compared to Prime hybrid XSE after $5000 rebate would cost $12,000 more ($39,500 vs $51,500). Wanted the Prime but not for that much more when it's identical model with added hp and different wheels. Same electric EAWD on rear wheels with same hp and torque on hybrid and Prime. Everything else also identical. Extra power is nice but hybrid with electric boost is quite peppy in town, also decent on highway when towing 1200lb camper.
@@James-il3tq it's actually only like $2000 more after $10000 rebates
Now imagine how much you'd save in fuel in a 100% EV. Smog checks and oil changes too.
I’m sure you’re saving more now with gas prices
We have had ours for almost 6 months after owning a 2019 RAV4 Hybrid for 2 years and it has been great. Driving in town, we used only a quarter tank of fuel and travelled 1100 kms. Never use fuel if you drive less than 65 kms or so in town between charges. All the benefits of an electric vehicle without range anxiety. Have friends who sold their Tesla’s because of it. If most of your driving is highway, I would stick to the Hybrid as it is less costly to purchase.
Great, thanks for sharing, we appreciate your feedback.
I have xse wanted the prime but is almost impossible to get, i don't think spend extra money for that one i wish they come out with something full electric
Make sure you use fuel stabilizer or drive it more as a hybrid. Fuel looses freshness after several months.
@@user-tb7rn1il3q the engine runs periodically to flush gas through so you have to put in some fresh gas every 4-6 months.
That depends, if you’re in Quebec you get the full $13000 rebate. At that price it’s a no brainer whether you do a lot of highway or not
We "special-ordered" a 2021 RAV4 Prime SE in June 2020 and it arrived in early November, so we have had it 11 months now with nearly 11.5k miles on the odometer (we are in New England). It's a fabulous vehicle, and in summer we are getting as high as 52 real-world all-electric miles in local driving of under 45 mph (it's much lower on high-speed expressway driving, of course). We got the SE with no options, so the cheapest version, and with federal/tax rebates/credits, we paid under $31k USD (not incl. sales tax); that is a huge bargain because you get the vast majority of things that you get in the XSE trim in the SE trim (including adaptive cruise control, adaptive headlights, blind-spot mirror monitor, etc. -- things that are all optional only in Porsches that cost five times as much!). We were fortunate to pay only MSRP, as I hear that the demand is pushing dealerships to charge over MSRP in many locations now. I agree with Andrea that the RAV4 Prime is (by far) the best vehicle that Toyota currently produces (at least for North America), because of its high electric range and its practicality/utility (high ground clearance but low center-of-gravity and excellent interior cargo space). This vehicle is very fun to drive in all-electric mode, and I'll frequently leave my Porsche in the garage for local drives in favor of all-electric driving in the RAV4 Prime (but for longer road trips, the Porsche usually gets the nod); I would add that the RAV4 Prime is NOT very fun to drive when the ICE is on (just in electric mode with that wonderful torque and quietness). I agree about the passenger-side seat issue, but for the price we paid, I can't complain much about the RAV4 Prime that we have. My biggest complaint is that most of the door switches (windows, mirrors, door locks), the overhead switches (lighting), the back-door hatch switch (closing), and the steering-wheel stalks (lights, windshield wipers) are not backlit, making for a LOT of frustration at night because you can't see these switches (and it's dangerous for a driver to be fumbling for a switch unsuccessfully); even my 20-year-old Volvo has all these switches backlit, so no excuse for scrimping here by Toyota. Another issue is that the heater does not work in cold weather in all-electric mode; you have to have the ICE come on to use the heater, which sort of defeats the whole purpose of it being a PHEV.. My other beef is with the driver instrument panel, where the left-side dial is largely useless (confusing and ambiguous) and should be replaced by a digital window showing much of the same things you get in the center instrument panel (because I often want to see multiple sets of information at once, like range and amount of ICE/battery power going to each wheel, etc.). Apple CarPlay sucks, but it's better than the Toyota navigation maps that come with the higher-priced XSE trim; we saw no reason to opt for the XSE trim and are glad we saved our money.
It looks just like my Hybrid XLE Rav4. I agree with you that it needs an interior update to set it apart from mine. I still wouldn't wait a year for one. Thanks for the review.
I just purchased a 2021 RAV4 XLE Hybrid, really enjoying it. I traded in a 2018 RAV4 XLE non Hybrid. I think the ride and steering are more my precise, and the cabin is very quiet on the 2021.The fuel average is 45.5 mpg as opposed to 33mpg.
This is the 2nd fastest Toyota in the current line-up behind the BMW Supra and without going into Lexus
People keep mentioning that, but that’s not correct. Quickest and fastest are two distinct categories and the Prime is currently the fourth fastest and quickest Toyota currently on sale behind both Supra models and the GR Yaris. I believe there were two tested categories (not 0-60 or 1/4 mile) that performance wise the Prime did beat the 2.0 Supra in, but overall the 2.0 Supra was clearly the performance king over the Prime.
Lmao - "BMW Supra" that is what I call it too, what a waste of bringing that name plate back.
@@paulira7407 Is the GR Yaris available in USA
A shout out to both of you for your fantastic and informative videos! Largely based on what I learned from you, I just got my RAV4 Prime XSE a week ago. I was lucky to only have to wait for about 10 days for one, as the local dealer just happened to have been allocated 1 and it was just what I was looking for. So far, I love the Prime, though I'm still in the "getting acquainted" phase... Thanks again!
Our pleasure!
That is amazing, congratulations on your Prime! So glad our review was helpful, thank you!
Great Review love the RED STITCHING call out on Zack!!! My 2021 RAV 4 Hybrid XSE has blue stitching, I think the red stitching is exclusive to the Prime. This is why Andrea is so awesome on this channel!!
The benefit of the phev over pure ev is obviously road trips. Watching reviews anything other than a Tesla seems to be hit or miss if you’ll actually find a working charger when you need one. At least here if the charger isn’t working you can continue on as a hybrid.
We split the difference and went with the Venza Hybrid. We weren't in love with the RAV4 Hybrid interior and trucky exterior and we were told by the guys at Toyota that to get a top of the line RAV4 Prime, we could have to wait up to 2 years!!! The Venza has been wonderful so far. Nice interior, quiet, rides well, love the exterior looks and we have been averaging 40 mpg (including an 800 km trip over the Coquihalla to Vernon and back). Our only disappointment was not being able to get the dark blue exterior with the tan interior (like you can with the RAV4). We keep our cars for a long time (15 and 17 years respectively ) so fingers crossed this Venza will serve our family for many more years to come.
The Rav four is roomy but not like the highlander obviously. I see the Rav's latest generation all over. To me that makes it cheesy 🧀
The problem with getting a Model Y is it's going to fall apart and break. A RAV4 won't.
in some cases they even get delivered already falling apart😅😂
Exactly. I would be petrified owning an out-of-warranty Tesla.
Not to mention EV battery replacement will be through the roof compared to hybrid and PHEV batteries which are far smaller.
At least a Model Y exists and you can order one and receive it in a few months. Toyota RAV4 Prime models only exist on UA-cam. And no, I'm no Tesla fanboy. I own a '18 Honda Clarity so I know how great a plug in hybrid vehicle can be. I get 50 miles of EV range, with 250 miles of range on the 1.5L gas engine. I go for months without visiting a single gas station.
I still take the Y i wouldn't be caught in an ugly rav4
I think it's the most compelling PHEV SUV in the mainstream market Nice review
There are a couple of neighbours have bought a RAV4 Prime. They have ordered it when first announced back in late 2019. Its revelation when an people saw it, its like the "next best thing" because of how long anyone has to wait to get one.
Worth the wait
Toyota’s hybrid system is great piece of engineering, IMO. The design is simple, the operation is smooth and efficient. There are not much to go wrong, and the best part for me is, the maintenance is extremely simple. For example, changing the “eCVT”/front transaxle fluid is much, much easier than changing the sealed CVT/automatic transmission fluid on other Toyota vehicles.
I agree with you, it's the best RAV4 in my opinion but you have to be able to buy one.
@@andreaspencer9813 wonder how Toyota is going to fulfill all the RAV4 Prime, and upcoming NX PHEV orders…
@@nickolastiguan This is a big problem right now, the chip shortage is not good for consumers or dealerships.
This is so true. I just watched a video on the inner workings and it is absolutely ingenious while remaining simple.
Toyota,is Toyota!Best cars,best hybrids!This model is great!
I have had my RAV4 Prime XSE PP for almost 6 months now. I get 80km of EV range now constantly.
“This video is brought to you by Canada Drives”
Me: suddenly wants ginger ale
LOL
Good one
Thanks for the update. I think Toyota has made strange decisions with the trim levels for Rav4 across the board. In the Prime, I think the XSE + Package....should just be a completely separate trim level...like "premium" or "limited." One minor complaint that I keep seeing is people mentioning that the buttons in the door panel (windows, locks...) aren't lit in any way. I didn't think much of this the first time I saw it mentioned...but I see it again and again...people saying, they're rolling their one touch windows down in the rain at night while trying to unlock the car for someone to get in for example. What do you guys think of this? I know you do most of your test drives in the day. Did you guys notice this at all? Also, there are complaints that the inner door handles are strangely far forward...creating a weird leverage situation when you are trying to pull the door closed. This may be something that one wouldn't notice unless driving these for a week or more. Did you guys notice it? I have some back/neck issues...and I may find this bothersome more than most. Thanks for the information!
Had one of these on order until dealer told me it would take up to 2 years to get one. I cancelled the order and went for the regular hybrid. Very happy so far. Avg 5.3L/100km mixed driving and it’s much quieter than the regular gas model.
Also it may not be as fast as a prime, but it’s
pretty peppy as well.
Feeling Super Primed." -Andrea 2021
Honestly not a bad looking Toyota. Speaking of, at the end of the day, it's a TOYOTA. Dependability is pretty much covered for a while.
Another Great video, you guys.
Haha thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it.
Cannot get one in Toronto. Wait listed for MY23. MY22 already sold out. Some dealerships refuse to take new orders already. The only frustrating part, cannot get one.
Can’t wait for the comparison between this and the VW iD4! Great video as always guys!👏👏👏
Thank you so much! Yes, we will do lots of comparisons especially with the Tucson and Santa Fe PHEV's coming in soon.
The interaction between you two is an information session without Q&A. Your answer in the Q&A session cover quite a bit of FAQ. This video helps me understand more about Hybrid SUV.👍👏🏼😘🤗
Glad you liked it!
Now, with the raised prices on hybrids, the XSE is only about $6000 more than the hybrid xse including the federal rebate. For $6000, you get nicer 19" wheels instead of 18's. 302hp vs. 219, and a model built in a Japanese factory ( i know but Japanese built cars are still slightly better). 72kms of electric range enough for most daily commutes. I was waiting 2 years for a regular hybrid and got lucky to purchase a prime. I am so impressed by this XSE Non tech for a little under $60K. Tesla Model Y Long Range is over $70,000. I like some things with the Tesla more of course but well see about resale when i sell mine in 10 years. Resale was one of my top 3 reasons for purchase along with reliabilty.
Great pointers team. Competition is coming up and we will b the lucky ones. I would review more of these types of rides, which is important to Canadian families than the s class. But that's just my 2 cents. Would be interesting a retro video of both of ur older cars, and what got u to today, and your worldly success. Cheers
Thank you, glad you enjoyed it. We try to do a variety of vehicles but we mostly focus on more affordable models on this channel.
I have been watching so many car vids and I have to say you guys are an awesome tag team
$27,900 for the used RAV4 LE in the used comparison is almost what it sold for new. Crazy.
Resale value on the RAV4 is incredible!
@@andreaspencer9813 I expect the high value is partly due to limited supply and waiting times for new vehicles, plus COVID impact on used prices
@@jamespaul2587 Absolutely
Good review! It's a nice vehicle on paper but completely irrelevant if you can't get it. Might take Zach's advice and just look at the regular hybrid version, really want the Prime though to plug in
Yep - any product, no matter *how* good, is IRRELEVANT if you can’t actually get one! I found this annoying a year ago and now, the fact that lead time is STILL 2 to 3 years, makes the continued promotion of the RAV4 Prime, a bit of a joke - or at the very least, disingenuous!
Unlike some people, I can’t fathom committing to a $60K purchase without test driving one. And 2 to 3 years down the road, there’s sure to be more choices in the marketplace … it’s a hard pass for me.
@@davidbray4380
Then when you get it the dealer will pull a bait and switch on you with a lottery system with a $10k mark up. Screw them.
@@rxonmymind8362 wow, has this happened to you? In what province are you located?
Love the range and fuel economy of this vehicle! That would be awesome putting around town most if not all day and not even using the gas engine.
I can’t Imagine sitting in the passenger seat as I am very tall. That is a huge oversight not including at least a ratchet height system
I thought the silver with black wheels looked great!!
It's a real miss, they have to add the height adjustment, it's a must. Thanks for watching!
I really wish Toyota put the new Venza interior or something similar in this, the interior is way too basic. Otherwise, specs wise, it's class leading
I totally agree with you, the rav4 needs a very chic/nice interior option like the toyota avalon.
@@alanmay7929 hence the venza...
Nah it’s horrible. RAV4 is functional and tough
I had my eye on this car, and the last I heard, it’s 2 and a half year waiting list!
The funny part about that is... Lexus will probably have their version of the NX out by then. With a better interior, slightly faster... And the same price that people paid for their RAV4 and ended up waiting over 2 years to own it anyway.
@@Dundun4793 I was told by a Lexus dealer near me that it will be a two year wait in the states for the 2022 NX 450 plug-in except for a very few that will be available in California and New York.
This makes me think we're really in for it when they release the BX4X.
@@Dundun4793 heard it's slower and less effecient...
@@DUNGSTA thank you for that update. I’m used to seeing Lexus lag behind its competitors, not it’s own brand Toyota. Wow.
They are not available at any dealership, not even for $10,000 above MRSP. I am hoping one will become available to me by the end of the 2023 model year.
RAV and Lexus RX look more and more alike. Great review as always.
Right! Personally, I want Lexus features and interior qualities without the Lexus badging. I don't like to draw attention to myself through my vehicle in that way. Sold a Lexus IS recently. Noticed that it brought many break-in attempts on the vehicle while we had it. Someone trying the door handle at 2am at least once a week for several weeks. That doesn't happen with my Subaru Outback Limited.
No way
I like your comments but one needs to look at what they can actually get especially with current gas prices! I live in Quebec and purchased back in October a Ford Escape PHEV Titanium version! No problem getting one and I see more of them on the streets but have hardly seen and Toyota RAV4 Prime or a Tucson PHEV! I went in to see and asked about the prime but with a two year wait I went with what was available in less than 3 weeks! So far winter in Quebec has brought my EV range down to 25 to 40km and I have studded winter tires on the Ford. Yes the engine comes on with the heater on but that is the same with any of these vehicles. We my wife and I enjoy the space and we do get a real spare tire unlike those two competitors. Second row space it fantastic and very comfortable as we drove to Toronto and back with 4 passengers! Do not knock it off your list just because it does not offer AWD with good winter tires it is just as easy to drive this in Quebec!
Please compare with Volvo XC40 Recharge.
EV mode should be use to commute in the city, leave the hybrid mode to highway use
Andrea is well well-dressed. Excellent, enjoyable review!
Thank you so much! :)
@@andreaspencer9813 do you ever wear a cowboy hat Andrea, that would look great with your outfit, but hard to drive with perhaps :)
The complaint you have about the height adjustment on the passenger seat? That seems to be a common denominator with Toyota. I have one friend with a 2000's vintage 4Runner and another with a 2019 (I think) Highlander. I'm 6'2" and I have a hard time climbing into either of these cars because of how high the seat is and head room is close to nonexistent. I like both vehicles otherwise and I'd probably have no problem if I were driving them but I firmly believe Toyota needs to set the fixed seat height a little lower.
The driver who can plug in at work and can charge in the garage at home might need a PHEV instead of a BEV mostly if his/her range anxiety is real: the need to drive on regular basis in the dead winter between Calgary and Winnipeg or between Minnesota and Montana in February when even Tesla gives range anxiety in really cold weather. Orherwise a pure BEV might be a more suitable choice.
What in the world is all this excitement about sun roofs.I have had four vehicles with the bloody things and never opened one. Lots of added complication, cost and weight up high where you need it least. Wish they were strictly optional.
I have sunroof and open it very often!
@@hamidmghazi Well good for you. There are many options I would much prefer for what it must cost to include sunroofs.
Glass roofs are options on the RAV4 Prime. We saved money by requesting an SE trim with no glass roof.
@@panameradan6860 Thanks I'll look into it as we are in the market.What usually happens though is to get a couple must have options we have to take the sunroof.The sunroof is such an expensive and complex item I wish it were optional by itself. Bugs me to be subsidizing the darn things for people who want them.
Thanks for the review Andrea and Zack! Why isn't Toyota offering this powertrain on more of its model lineup? A Venza with the Prime treatment would be amazing!
Because Toyota never does the obvious stuff. It’s my biggest issue with the company. They have all the parts to make every car they have great but flat out refuses to do so.
@@Soh90 if they could put these into every car I’m sure they would. People fail to realize battery tech still costs these companies more than they realize. My guess is supply isn’t there yet to mass produce it and make profit for shareholders.
Would be lexus prices TBH...
Would love to see a comparison vs the Ford Escape PHEV, especially since a fully loaded Escape Titanium PHEV is over 10k cheaper.
I got so accustomed to your luxury car reviews and then you show this 😂😆
Only realistic reason to use Charge Mode, is if you are getting near your final destination, and you want to utilize the 1500W outlet. Otherwise, you wasting gas to charge the car. You will use more gas to use charge mode, then simply driving in gas/hybrid mode. Just charge with charger when you can normally do it.
I recently found one at a Toyota dealer in LA priced at over $60K! No thanks ! not for a Toyota.
Wow, pricey!
Wth? At this point u just have money to burn
That's cars in general. Most over msrp and long waiting times. Chip shortage wreaking havoc
If you're intent on purchasing, hopefully you can get one while they still have a federal tax credit for it.
Im a renter, so I pay $0.35/kwh to charge at public stations in NYC!
And its cheaper to buy gas
I love the versatility of the plug in hybrid. Less emissions with no range anxiety is really appealing. That said, the RAV Prime is too expensive and I've heard that the RAV is not a good high speed vehicle. That's a deal breaker for me. Great review guys!
yeah it is a CUV not really meant for racing. That said, I get a kick out of leaving most cars in the dust at the green light (I use EV mode as there is no engine noise)
Why is there not a highlander prime? Being a larger vehicle wouldn’t it benefit more from that extra power? Or is it because they do t have the production capacity to build one since it’s already a 1-2 year wait for a RAV4 prime?
You guys work so well together…. great channel.
Glad you enjoy it!
As we look ahead to the 2022 model year, I know you mentioned the Tucson PHEV, but what about the Santa Fe PHEV and the Sorento PHEV? Both start in the 45k range and would be eligible for 4k in combined BC/federal incentives.
great show! shame about the passenger seat not having height adjustment (but electric for other adjustments)
Question?? I have ordered a RAV4 top of the range "Cruiser" (Australian name) Hybrid AWD and the spec for the front passenger electric seat reads "8-Way power adjustment (front passenger)" - does "8 way" give height adjustment??
They should make a Corolla Prime PHEV!
I’ve waited for this! Now I’m really thinking of just getting a fairly new rav4 and not the latest model
@@mikeb1039 Rav4 hybrid costs $1200 more then gas model. Bought my 2019 RAV4 hybrid XSE for $39,133 in Alberta included freight, pdi, delivery and GST L.
@@mikeb1039 Not true at all. I have a hybrid. It saves a lot of gas and the difference is less than a couple thousand between hybrid and gas. More importantly, the electric motors fill in the gaps of the gas with torque. When the EV kicks in whilst the vehicle is coasting is an amazing feeling.
@@mikeb1039 maybe some people like the speed, the 0-60 time ? but is that worth 10K extra ?
@@eastexotic did you get yours new or fairy new? I know that the 2019-2020 (non prime, the cheapest trim) models are actually worth it, like you get your bang for each buck, have you ever had any minor issues with yours?
@@tommiko8313 heck yeah it's worth extra! And there are tax rebates!
The only problem is hard to get one. Toyota Canada said I need to wait for one and a half year for this. Buy the SE and you get the best of both worlds. This is the best SUV in the planet including Model Y period.
Lol You guys are so funny about being the prime. Good video and a good vehicle. 👏🏻👏🏻👊🏻👊🏻☕️☕️
Haha thank you, so glad you enjoyed the review. Thanks for watching and for the support as always.
@@andreaspencer9813 You are an very welcome Andrea! 👊🏻👊🏻☕️☕️
can't wait for the 2022 Lexus NX450h+, basically a luxury version of this RAV4 Prime.
Maybe I missed it but did you say if you can actually buy one? I’ve heard some people saying the wait might still be a year or two?
Definitely on sale right now
@@DUNGSTA It may be "on sale" but there aren't ANY! I went into a Toyota dealership to test-drive one and they literally LAUGHED in my face! They told me the wait list was 2 yrs long!!! I'm pretty sure there'll be a LOT more choice in 2 yrs - that's a HARD PASS!!! I'm willing to bet that people who will commit to buying a car spending upwards of $60K without test driving it first, are in the minority!
Son ordered Rav4 Prime and told 4-6 months, ugh. Should be great if he ever gets it.
I’ve always liked the Rav but preferred the old design where it actually did look like a sport utility with the tire on the back and a more truck like look. I call SUV’s of any brand with this homogenized design aesthetic Sedan Utility Vehicles because they look like an inflated sedan. But the Rav is definitely a fantastic vehicle. My friend just got rid of her 04 with 400,000kms and it had very few issues over its life
What is the hp on this without the electric assist?
Ahh 🥾 204 hp approximately out of a 2.5 litre 4 cylinder.
Thank-you both for another fun overview. How old are your boys now, and are they heavily into vehicles also? Love those old school Etch-a-sketches, that was a funny comparison :) Maybe one day we'll see an Etch-a-sketch mode for Tesla's screens, it might be hard to shake the car to clear it though :)
I am trying to get either RAV4 Hybrid or Prime even 2020 model but when I watch the horror story about the corrosion of one connector at the chassis which when replace cost over $7,000.00 dollar especially cars from Canada and Northern USA where is a lot of salt in winter, I had a second thought of getting one.
First, I want to say that I've been watching Zack do car reviews since he was partnered with Dagmar ... remember those days?!!
All that to say, I've come to trust Motormouth reviews and look forward to them. On this one though, I'm VERY disappointed you didn't address the availability in the Canadian marketplace, which BTW, I realize isn't one monolithic experience across the provinces.
Based on your FIRST review of this R4P, I went into a Toyota dealership to see & test-drive one. They literally LAUGHED in my face - they couldn't even give me a brochure! The best they could do was give me a few photocopied sheets of some specs (which were useless since I got more out of that first Motormouth video). I was told the waitlist was 2 yrs long, if I wanted to leave some money and put my name down. Remember, all this happened in the time frame of your 1st R4P video, BEFORE the chip shortages, etc.
Well Toyota, I'm not spending this much money without driving one first, and the way your dealer treated me means I won't be back for a VERY LONG TIME.
In the software business, we call this "Vapourware" ... surely the lack of availability (with some separate discussion of the situation in each province/territory) warranted some coverage in your 2nd video of this vehicle?!?
We didn't address the long wait times as we covered it in our first video and it is common knowledge. We did talk about it in the Lexus NH video but chip supply isn't helping. I always suggest people place an order and if it comes great, if not buy a Tucson PHEV or the new Outlander PHEV due next year.
@@Motormouth... very much appreciate the quick & substantive reply! Understood, though I was hoping you'd update the situation a year later (whether good news or bad). FWIW, we just couldn't tolerate being down to 1 car any longer and bought a 2022 Tucson Hybrid Ultimate, largely based on your advice! Had to wait 3 months, but took delivery Aug 20th and am quite impressed. If you ever start a "from an actual owner" feature, please reach out!
@@davidbray4380 We do ask Toyota but as a brand they are very tight lipped about everything. They speak in generalities, the dealers often have a true picture of wait times.
So did they fixed the water leaks on the roof rail yet? Toyota drilled hole through the frame to mounts the rail but only plugged in up with simple plastic gasket, previous models has reported leaking after a while due to heavy rain or car wash... hopefully they fixed the design this year
What I love the most about luxury cars (Audi, BMW, Mercedes)
is that their design is timeless.
I remember when this gen Rav4 came out I was thinking this is a 10/10 design
Now after only 2 years it feels like 8/10.
Toyota is not luxury at all...
@@normt430 I meant luxury cars lets say audi bmw mercedes, toyoata is a great car but it’s way too common on the roads to remain attractive.
Several people has dissapointed from the real gasoline consumption on the highway only of this Rav4. What about fuel consumption on a flat highway, like here in Qc , essentially without hills and maintaining a speed of 115 km?
Live in Corner Brook, NL and contacted the dealership over the weekend. Was told it would be up to a 2 year wait! Geez.
12:36 It's actually bad etiquette for PHEV drivers to take up public charging stations too much, considering EVs have no alternative. We're all still learning, but PHEV drivers should be prepared for EV to politely ask them for their charging space. They already do between each other when, for example, an EV is charged up but still plugged in.
2021 and toyota still not putting in LED turn signals...
Great review. But chances if getting one is slim to none.
I have 2021 Limited Blizard Pearl I love it 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Alan H
Since there’s not much difference interior/exterior wise, hope they’ll offer prime on lower trims like they do on LE hybrid. Don’t need leather seats, panorama roof, etc. to experience what a prime has to offer.
That is already the SE trim of RAV4 prime
Wait for the Toyota BZ4X pure EV!! Cannot wait to see how that one works! Ok, so my main question is when the battery is out on the Prime what is the horsepower of the engine and is it good or really slow and sluggish? Great review!
The way it's engineered, is when the battery can no longer drive you in EV mode only, it'll retain enough power to be a hybrid. Basically, you never are on gasoline only. 302hp will always be available unless you're on EV only mode. Hope that helps
@@erikpenabella599 Yes, thank you, if only in EV mode then though how many HP do you have? Thanks!!
I was so excited to hear about the BZ4X (terrible name)! However, after seeing the sizable price tag and lack of availability on the Rav4 Prime...I'm just going with the Rav4 Hybrid (I'm in a pinch and need to buy now). It will hold it's value and give a few years for Toyota to work all this out. It makes me wonder what we'll see when they roll out the BZ4X. Doesn't give me a great deal of confidence about being able to get ahold of one without price mark-ups and long waits.
@@Kindness808 I agree completely!
@@Kindness808 just get the prime
I ordered one in May of 2021 and I haven’t received it yet (October 2023).
Gr8 review guys! I had a question. What does it cost approx to get a Level 2 charger installed at home (total cost incl parts+labour). I live in the Toronto area.
Thanks for the great review! How many kilometres per year do you think someone would have to drive this for the extra cost to pay for itself over the hybrid?
Keep in mind if it’s colder than -10C (14F) the RAV4 Prime only produces cabin heat via the gas engine. So if you live in a colder climate you won’t be able run pure EV during the colder winter months (unless you layer up lol). For someone like me where winter is -30C or colder, I’d never recoup the $12,000 premium over a equivalent hybrid version.
@Jean-Francois too many, because the current hybrid is so efficient; it won’t make much financial sense, unless it gets full rebate from QC or BC?
if you get rebates for the prime it is pretty much the same price as the hybrid which dont get rebates
If you can keep driving strictly in electric, it will pay itself faster. If you deplete the electricity and run on hybrid, it's actually less fuel efficient than the hybrid counterpart because of it's weight. You should be aware of how much your cost per kWh is to calculate the cost per mile. An added cost not considered is how much to install 240v outlet and level 2 charger to get the fast charge. Otherwise charging with 120v will take 12.5hours.
Good question, that would depend on how far you drive daily between charges, as someone with a charger at work might be able to drive daily without gas, except for longer road trips. Rebates could offset the price difference also
I'm colourblind too. I also wouldn't have noticed, nor cared.
Can height adjustment restriction due bigger battery required on the floor ?
We still don't have Model Y or RAV4 Prime in Australia ?
rav4 prime vs outlander phev. which should i buy?
One thing you missed, the rav4 prime is very fast, 0-60 mph in 5.60 secs.
In Europe it has more honest name - plug-in hybrid. Nothing like prime. That’s why we do not expect anything premium there
prime only indicates that its a plug in version, not premium. Same with Prius Prime
Sorry I didn't quite catch the wait time to actually get one? Did someone mention 1+ year?
It depends on where you live. I live in CA and ordered one on the 20th of August. It was built on the 24th of August and I just got the call that it should be delivered between the 22nd - 27th! It's an XSE with the Premium Package and the dealer is ONLY marking it up by $3500.
@@oxynupe2k2 CA as in California? Lucky you, we have absolutely zero in Ontario Canada. The last time it is available is with a $10K north of MSRP.
How do you even get one of these? It's insanity here in Canada, dealers are saying a minimum of 1 year wait time (but it is actually closer to 2 years).
6am here in Ontario.
12:12 pm in Ontario now :)
@@jamespaul2587 12:18pm
I’ve got a rav4 xse hybrid on order with an estimated 3 month wait. Prime wait was at least a year. Wasn’t worth waiting despite the subsidy.
Worth the wait...
You might look at the Venza. We went looking at the RAV4 and ended up getting a Venza. It was insotck and personally thought it was a better value and a little nicer for the money than the RAV4.
It was a little pricey, to step up to XSE (base) @ $55K (tax & rebate included) but worth it. I still think Toyota should have included the passenger power adjustable seat. Yes, I agree, to not include power height adjustment in your tester, the XSE with Technology Package, is ludicrous for $60K+.
also, no LED fog lights in the XSE or XSE with Technology Package is no bueno! in the Toyota RAV4 Hybrid XSE Tech (non-plugin) it's included (msrp $42K)
You get what you get and you don't get upset.
Toyota is notorious for that kind of bullshit and has been for decades now on things much cheaper than $60,000 Canadian Pesos if this surprises anyone you must be new to Toyota.
Can we discuss the Toyota Toxic Mold Class Action Litigation??
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Please test drive and review the 2021/2022 Lexus RX350. Also list trim and colour options for Canada 🇨🇦 Thank you 🙂
Was watching a review of the 2 motor(AWD) VW ID.4 and there was no instant torque like all other EVs. Must be a programed delay prevent torticolis in older drivers
Idiots! That’s the whole point of an EV 100% torque from the start.
If you do the math.
This vehicle just doesn't make sense. The cost is way too much and it will take way too long to recover that money.
In 2022, for both the environment and your wallet, the best choice is a hybrid vehicle, not a plug-in, or a full EV.
If you're going to buy a new car in 2021/22, it should be a HYBRID.
If you're going to buy a hybrid it should be a Toyota.
Toyota has been refining their hybrid drivetrain for 25 years now. It's pretty much bulletproof and has NOTHING in common with a standard CVT transmission.
Also the money you will save on brakes using a hybrid because of regenerative braking will cover the cost of a battery in the future which you probably won't need anyway.
End of tutorial.
How does the Prime perform in EV mode vs Hybrid mode? Is it significantly slower in EV?
Yes 0-60 in EV mode 9.6 seconds. In hybrid mode 0-60 5.9 seconds.
@@James-il3tq
I’d call that significant. Thanks!
So far I'm being waiting for 4 months, and they told me to wait to next year
Wishing you do the outback touring from Subaru .. Please.. isn't a luxury car ? Don't see too much about Subaru reviews..
Great review 🇬🇧 💙
Problem is that there are no Primes to be had if haven’t already ordered one.
What is the cubic feet cargo space with the seat up and down
I test drove a Rav 4 and I found that I have to sit very tall, and it is quite annoying for taller drivers. to sit properly at 6'5, I will be looking almost at the roof as I am driving. Not a good choice.
Would probably go with Tucson plug in as the interior is way more nicer and the availability is also 4-5 months instead of 1-2 years. Tucson has even quite cabin and has 55kms range and the price difference is 10,000 cad between the top models.
I'm colorblind officer so yeah what red light?
How would the rav 4 compare to Honda CRV plug in hybrid.I think it was rated #2 On USA car channel.what is your verdict.😎🚗☕️
The problem with Kia and Hyundai hybrids is they use turbo engines turbos don’t like to turn on and of they need time to cool so I would not recommend those type of hybrids
302 hp?? Is that only when the battery is fully charged and using both battery and gas engine? What will it be once in hybrid only mode? When using only full EV mode what hp is it then?
always 302hp