Yamaha Raider vs Suzuki M109R Boulevard 1900 vs 1800 V-Twin MONSTER Muscle Bikes! Drag Race!
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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The highly anticipated Yamaha Raider 1900 vs. Suzuki Boulevard M109R duel has finally come! Today we bring you the footage from the race! For the record, we're not professionals and this was not well organized/planned. Be warned! Still, it's a fun one! Eventually, I would love to get all the muscle bikes head to head against each other: yamaha road star warrior 1700, honda vtx 1800, triumph rocket, harley vrod muscle (night rod), kawasaki meanstreak, yamaha vmax, etc. But today we'll enjoy the raider vs m109r!
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Raider or M109R? Which one for the win?
I vote for the metal fenders.
Raider, just because I'am a Yamaha fan..
Atleast of the snowmobile 😂
@@ericdolby1622 hahaha! I hear ya! That's one of my biggest gripes with the m109r (and some of the other metric cruisers) - all the plastic gives it somewhat of a cheap feel.
Jon, you're definitely the supreme rider, your buddy was redlining every gear on the Raider, granted I know the Raider doesn't have a tach, but you don't run a V-Twin to the top. V-Twins pull from low to mid. Either way much respect to the two of you for the video.
Jon's Moto Garage 109r for sure!! No doubt the raider is one of the gnarliest looking power cruisers on the market. But 9R is really fast for ab twin. So is the Honda VTX 1800..... which is why you need to throw went into this mix. I’ve pretty much decided that if my VTX ever quits running I will get an M109R. But my Honda has almost 120,000 miles on it and still hauls balls. The VTX 1800 would probably lose to the 109 but only by a tiny bit. It would be interesting to see.
I have an 07 M109R LE, an 08 Raider, an 09 Stratoliner, and a 2019 VMAX. The 109 is a little faster than the air cooled bikes. None of them can touch the VMAX in horsepower, handling and breaking. The only thing the VMAX can't pass is a gas station as it has a small tank and gets terrible mileage. Variety is the spice of life.
I remember in the 90's when the VMAX first came out. It was the fastest. The V4 is an incredible design, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was still top dog.
@@advorlando98551985 they came out bro
I wanna be like you when I grow up. I have an 08 vrod nightrod special, and an 09 raider. But I also want an m109r, a VMAX FOR SUUUURE, and a hayabusa.
I'm on my 3rd M109R. You can just kick into a higher gear without using the clutch when you race her like that - just hold off on the accelerator a bit for a fraction of a second when kicking into next gear.
Nice! I'm admittedly no good at the drag racing thing. Lol.
Oooooooweeeee thanks for the video man that's good stuff. That m109r is a beast!!!! It looks like that m109r had hyabusa power in a cruiser. I love it. You don't see these type of videos much about cruiser I appreciate your time brother God Bless you safe riding.
Hahaha! Thanks, man! Such a fun bike!
@@JonsMotoGarage if you check out my page you'll see the cruisers I have had and I just sold the Suzuki Katana classic bike it was in perfection. And I sold the other two last year. IAM in the mood for a hyabusa now.
Up until now I was going to buy a Raider and M109R was my second choice.
Now, after seeing this awesome video, I decided I gotta have both.
Thanks man!
Heck yeah! Best of both worlds!
good thinking!
Thought the 109 would pull ahead. Pretty amazing stock-ish machine.
Stock for stock the 109 takes it but when you flash it its a diffrent animal. My uncle has a 109 and i have a raider with flash and fule tuner and smoke him everytime when he rode it he said its the fastest cruiser hes ever been on
Waiting for the M109R vs the Honda VTX1800. Honda exhaust sounds terrible, but I love my VTX!
I've had both the M90 and M109R, and they both haul ass🤙🤙🤙
You should try the 2018 brake out with the 114 stage 4 DANGEROUS .
Oh man! I'd be down!
It would be a 117 if it has a Stage 4 in it.
@@sheepytimeb58 with a shorter stroke
Great vídeo bro i ride a 2002 goldwing with cobra slip ons
Just found your channel, subscribed. Dig your vids, keep on keeping
Thanks, brotha! I appreciate the support!
The M109R is in another league. The big cube DOHC liquid cooled high revving VTwin will get the win every time over a big cube, low revving, air cooled, push rod VTwin. You pulled hard all the way to about 7000rpm's whereas the Raider stopped pulling around 4 grand or so. If you both would have stayed in it, the 109R would have disappeared on the Raider.
Yeah, it's amazing how the m109r even with a poor start totally just pulls away!
It was also not from a dead start, which is where the raider shines the most
@@doylee469
From a stop the Raider might get the jump on the 109R for a bit, but then 109R will overtake it.
markurbancowboy maybe not, maybe the m109 dusts it still, or maybe the torque on the raider makes up for its lack of hp off the line and puts a good distance between them. Yeah the m109 will always win in top end, just nice to see from all aspects. The m109 shines on rollons, the raider shines at a stop.
@@doylee469
Horsepower wins races and the 109R puts out much more than the Raider. The only way the Raider might win (and this is a big MIGHT) is if you were racing 30 feet. Torque will get you out the hole, but horsepower wins and the Suzuki has a bunch of both HP and TQ.
The Raider is a really nice bike even if a bit slower than the M109R which is a beast. FYI, you are probably losing some power with that exhaust. Never replace a 2-1-2 with a straight 2 pipe it ruins the scavenging effect.
The Raider is faster than the M109R. I've ridden both, and raced both against each other. Also, Ivan's Flash is available for the Raider, which removes the engine brake and gives it even more torque, resulting in more horsepower. They're both fast bikes. The Raider is faster, though.
Air cooled vs liquid cooled I mean I think the Raider did a great job and probably one of the fastest air cooled bikes out there
I wanna see U ride that beast vs kawasaki vulcan 2000 cc
They are not the same kind of motors at all. The Raider is a longer stroke than bore engine, designed for torque and lugging, not racing. The M109 is a bigger bore than stroke engine, designed for rapid RPM and racing. Not lugging. The M109 has a 4-inch bore. One of the largest bores on any bike out there. In fact, at one time, they boasted the biggest bore. Even if they were equal in HP, the M109 would win the drag because of the engine design. I like Zuk's, owned 2 of them, but they are notoriously lower geared to be rapid. It's not an equal race at all.
Need to throw a VTX1800 in that mix 😁
Yes! I've been looking but they're hard to come by these days. I had a vtx1800f some years back. Awesome bike!
I have a 03 vtx1800c that kills I love it!
@@markiemark011 Nice!
Road star warrior or Kawasaki 2000 or triumph rocket 3 should handle this race....j.s.
Pulled up behind a Harley and an M109 at a stoplight. They were gunning their motor, glancing sideways, and I could tell they were going to race. The 109 clearly jumped the Harley, but as soon as I hit 2nd gear, my VTX 1800R just ran away from both of them. I had to jerk mine to the left and slice between them to keep from running over the 109.
V-Max vs ROCKET 3 PLEASE!!
They're both on my list of bikes to get! Just a matter of finding the right deals.
Xdiaval beats rocket lll ... and the Vmax beats the Diaval ... Videos are already present on UA-cam you can search them out ....
The new Diaval beats the Rocket lll
And the Vmax beats the Diaval..
Rockt lll does not even come near enough to give the Max any competition.
Videos of both drag races are already on UA-cam...you can search them out .. if u dont find them let ne know i will paste the links :)
not if a rocket 3 jumps from 2300cc to 2332cc....carpenter racin in its mechanics and i know u all saw that video of daivel vs rocket 3 .....daivel got smoked badly lol.
I wonder how my Moto Guzzi Audace would hold up? I can spank a lot of Harleys with 1380cc's (84ci).
Ok the comparison should be like this .. vrod vs m109r or similar bikes..(muscle)
I have a warrior i am almost head to head with vrod(night rod) because i got special tunning/air kit
Now we cant compare our old warriors to the new m109rs especially stock..
Against Vmax m10r has no chance..
not because of a yamaha fan boy i think my warrior will put power down better than m109r from a dig...
i rode both m109r and night rod.. i like the ride on the m109r and looks better too...
Just my opinion..
From dig i have beaten harley 1800”s because they dont put the power down.. but other gears it will be a different story.. and yamaha handle atleast 5 times better than harlys on twosties.. now no need to fight people i respect all bikes.. harley is the american cult.. but they r going out of business for a reason.. no engineering involved thats why..
Raider has no tach but listening to it, you were shifting way too soon.
I'm sure you're right. Lol. I'm not drag race master, that's for sure.
pressendforspanish no he wasn’t, the raider has a low redline with torque and power on bottom end. If he hit the limiter he was really done. The M109 has almost 3,000 more rpm to redline.
@@jefflb1961 This is 100% correct. The Raider is a low revving bike with a short power curve. The M109R has longer legs.
Power cruiser the one and only Vmax
The VMAX is more of a crotch rocket than a cruiser, lol. I do love it, though. The Raider takes the win in all categories for Cruisers (except in Harley forums, where they're just butt-hurt that a Yamaha whooped up on their shitty Breakouts).
@@johnspugnardi2743 All categories is stretching it. There are plenty of cruisers built that meet or beat the Star Raider in different categories. Right off the top of my head, I can tell you that bikes like the VTX 1800, Kawasaki VN2000, Moto Guzzi California and about half a dozen of the Victory brand bikes are all every bit as quick as the Raider...and while the Raider might beat up the Breakout, it would get its fender handed to it by the VRod. And these are just other VTwins bikes.
Start talking about multi cylinder cruisers like the Honda Valkyrie, Triumph Rocket III and Star VMax and the Raider wouldn't stand a chance. The Raider has got a lot of snot in the 0-60 range, which can get it out ahead of many bikes in a hurry, but it runs out of steam in the top end. It's not slow, by any means....but it's hard hitting bottom end tends to give owners the impression that its faster than it actually is.
@@alfrede.neuman8611, you must be M.A.D. (lol) comparing Muscle Bikes to Cruisers. The V-Rod has a wet weight of 619 lbs. and is a muscle bike (street bike), as is the V-Max. Kawasaki VN2000 is the only good comparison, with a top stock speed (estimated) of 124 mph, whereas the stock top speed (estimated) of the Raider is 125 mph. The Kawi keeps up with the Raider nicely, but the Raider takes it in the launch and maintains the lead throughout the range of gearing. The Honda VTX 1800 (1795cc) is a ton of fun, but doesn't keep up with the Raider on top or bottom end. It stays close, however. I'll give you that.
My point is this: you made comparisons of lightweight bikes designed as Street and Muscle bikes against Cruisers. I was speaking in terms of Cruisers. Of course the V-Max and V-Rod are going to win in a drag race against the Raider. They are both basically crotch rockets, and weigh close to 200 lbs. less than the Raider. Add my fat ass to the equation and it weighs even more, lol.
@@johnspugnardi2743 Not mad at all....just seemed like you were in need of an education on the subject. All of the bikes listed in my comparison are cruiser class....with the possible exception of the VMax...though most publications still classify it as such. Bike weight has nothing to do with classification. And as much as you hate the idea, the VRod is still in fact a cruiser class motorcycle...as is the Rocket III.
At the end of the day, the Raider in stock trim is a mid-12-second bike....PERIOD. You can claim it to be as fast as you'd like based on your "seat-o-the-pants" meter, but that's what every publication and every owner has tested it at. All of the bikes I listed above will also go that fast, or faster. Your notion that the Raider somehow takes the "win" in all categories is simply silly personal bias on your part, speaking out over basic common sense. And that's just simply how it is!
Man.......that thing could power most cars....lol What a monster.
No kidding! Such a powerhouse!
Money's on the raider mine's pretty quick
The engineering focus is very different for these two. The Raider is the Torque King between the two hence that satisfying 123Lb-Ft of torque @ 2250rpm railin' down hard on the pavement(And only Roughly a 100hp peak at around 4.5), but it's not a high revving HP Monster, it's a little diesel. Whereas the M109R is a torquey machine with a peak of 118Lb-Ft@3200RPM but has more horse than torque at 127HP/6200RPM Peak but revs significantly higher. The M109R was meant to still be pretty damn quick for the man who's wife says "The Busa has got to go, you need a cruiser". The Raider was meant to always feel incredible and have consistent mini-hoss pull.
Power Aside, The handling of the raider is a reflection of incredible engineering, CG and Weight Division as I have customers who are 5'4 to 6'7 Riding Raiders. It's 760Lbs that feels like a well planted 550. Whereas the M109 is much more of a pig, handles more like a fridge. If you two were to do a race dragging peg and pushing limits, you'd find the nimble Raider would take the crown with more concentrated power vs power spread out over a wider rpm range. 109 wins on straights. Raider everywhere else.
Exactly everyone talks about the most powerful bike but there completely different not only is the 109 and the Honda vtx programmed more towards speed but they also run shaft drive systems and there's a huge power loss when comparing shaft to belt drive
I had an 06 m109, the only other bike I've had the chance to ride that holds a candle to the "pulls like a pissed off freight train" feel of it was my 04 vulcan 2000
Both are slugs next to a Raider. M109R has all top end and the VN2000 is a towtruck whereas the Raider is a muscle bike@@Ali.g.97
The m109. American muscle car on a bike.
Heyy Harley get ur shit together its embarrassing.
There are 109 cubic reasons why I bought the Suzuki. Would love to see a drag against that yellow camaro tho
I was weighing up the raider or m109. Both raiders I rode were stock and felt slow. I then rode a stock m109 which felt quick and ended up buying a M109with cobra pipes, fi2000 & filters. Crazy fast, wheelspin in first gear, second gear and shifting 2-3 big spin, gotta be careful.
Yeah, stock vs stock, the m109r definitely has the edge. That thing is such a torque monster! I can't imagine with all the upgrades!
Yeah, like um both , but I've liked the m109 since its inception . Like your videos too Jon. You don't make shit up , your humble and keep things straight up .
Great channel.
Thanks, brotha!
Thought this be a close fight just on how yamaha and suzuki build big bad ass bikes but holy damn that m109 is a monster.
M109R is an amazing machine!!! Period! No disrespect to the Raider...I am Suzuki...
The only issue with the M109 is wanting to feel the power every time its ridden , monster bike
Lol. Yeah, it knock the common sense right out of you. Dangerous game for sure!
I recently got an m50 and love it but man the m90 and 109r are soooo tempting!!!
M109!!! straight BEAST!!! thinking of trading my 109 for a 19 streetbob because everytime i ride it ,its like i have to race everyone!! haha (undefeated so far) lol!
I'll take it
Haha! That's awesome! It's tough always being the fastest kid on the block.
i do not doubt that at all
There is NOTHING like the M109R.NOTHING i say.One of the coolest,meanest,powerful bikes out there.And btw....you can replace all the plastict with alluminium or carbon fiber parts so don't bitch about that you guys.
Yeah, the m109r is definitely a beast!
Guys bitching like there isn't anything built today that isn't full of plastic. lol
I've had the C109 RT , and loved it. My next one will be the M109. I love the way they look, and they run like crazy !
M109r has a ton of torque and hp.
M109R vs Vrod Muscle right here. M109R Boss vs Vrod Muscle ua-cam.com/video/5JpqG0OPADg/v-deo.html
Nice! I'll check the vid. Curious to see the outcome. Thanks for sharing!
Bring it on. My Raider hasn't been beaten by any other since I've had it!
Where are you located?
Most People know dudes with 750s and a 45 that can beat that attitude
My 109 would smash on your raider and leave it crying
Never owned either one but a huge fan of both. Love the style of both bikes . thanks for the video .
I love my 9, every time I ride it it makes me smile... she rides like a bull but I love the power she gives..
Enjoyed the video. I owned a M90 for 1.5 years, and during that time took a trip up the PCH with my brothers and rented a Stryker for the 1400 mile, 9 day adventure! I never could get the bars on the M90 close enough that I could ride more than an hour before needing a break. The handling of the M90 was hands down better, as was the acceleration. Yet the Stryker was no slouch in acceleration and was far ahead when it came to long distance riding. Still after 250-325 miles in a day, I was ready to stop. What do you think about the handling and ergos of the big brother M109 and Raider?
I prefer the handling/comfort of the raider, but the m109r takes the win in the performance category. It's a complete torque monster!
@@JonsMotoGarage right, and if it's anything like the M90 it revs quicker than anything short of a Diavel. Speaking of which, I was privileged to demo an XDiavel and loved it, except at very low rpms, where every time a piston fires it feels like it's going to shoot through the head or just explode in the cylinder! Never read about THAT in any reviews. I still want to try a new V-Max.
What do you think of the 2005 Suzuki boulevard 1400cc I have one and it seems pretty torky it's a good running bike have a 2000 Harley Davidson deuce softtail 1450 it's a good running bike but my opinion the Japanese bikes are more dependable and will take what you give them with out breaking down great video guys keep the great work up thanks again Mike Holden out of north Carolina said that
I've yet to get my hands on the boulevard 1400, but I've heard a lot of great things about it. Ive had the m90, c90t, and c109r boulevards as well as the m50, m90, and m109r of course.
I own a M109R 2006 since 2012 and I won't change it for anything else.
The 240 tire and the 1800cc is the best.
The M109 has a Hypercharge on it. And I’m more confortable on the Raider and it’s very nimble.
That looks like Florida to me, I am near West Palm Beach. The M109R is a monster and it's all so gorgeous, however, when I test drove it it was just way too big for me, and I'm six foot one. Instead I got a V-Rod and I am loving every minute of it, the V-Rod is extremely well-made and extremely fast. And it handles like a puppy dog at low speeds. Very low center-of-gravity, the gas tank is under the seat.
I loved my M109R and regret selling it. However, there was two things I didn't like with it. 1st the not so clean first gear to second gear and 2nd being a shaft drive when you back off the throttle, the drive wanted to still push the bike. Would I own another M109R?..... HELL YEAH. Also to add, it was classified the first ever "sports" cruiser on paper. The other cool bike I would prefer to the Raider is the Yamaha 1700 warrior, has nice lines as well.
Yes! I dig the m109r and warrior as well! I didnt know the m109r was the first official sport cruise. Makes sense.
@@JonsMotoGarage Yeah, a few others were called a sports cruiser like, the warrior, Mean streak and one or two others but the M109R was the actually official. Also the pistons it has are bigger than any other bike, or car for that. One day I hope to get another one. Safe riding mate.
@@JonsMotoGarage That's just Suzuki marketing. The VMax was the first "Muscle Bike", the VTX 1800 was the first "Muscle Cruiser" and the M109R was the first "Sport Cruiser". It's all a play on words to sell bikes. lol
Had a Warrior for a year, until I crashed it in a very unfortunate accident.
Currently thinking about buying a Raider as my next bike.
Suzuki is liquid cooled, so it's much more efficient.
The yamaha is beautifull and the suzuki needs a lot of work to look half as good.
The suzuki is also more stereotype.
I have owned both bikes, the M109 IS A TORQUE BEAST! I loved both. The Raider was awesome riding, but it desperately needed a 6 speed trany.
Yeah, the m109r is sheer TORQUE (like you mentioned). I found the raider to be a more comfortable/smooth ride. Both have fine qualities for sure.
Never needed a 6th gear on my raider.. and never in the four years of owning the raider have I heard another mention they wanted a sixth gear
Definately could use a 6th gear. Actually, I have had both, and still have a m109r and they both could use another gear.
Can confirm between my buddy and I, the M109R walks away from the Warrior 1700. No contest. As far as a VMax, my M109R is hard pressed to keep up.
That's about what I expected. I've never ridden the vmax but they all day it's the monster of all muscle bikes. Rumor has it the diavel is now the top dawg, but idk.
@@JonsMotoGarage i think the v- max is just a naked crotch rocket dressed up as a muscle bike. But not really a cruiser. Kinda in its own class. Smooth monster hp. The rocket 3 is another monster bike.
@@gsx95r hahaha...no kidding. Sounds like it at least based on what I've heard. Lol.
No contest. Zuk all the way.
Jon you can wheelie a Harley but can’t drag? You got that man! Lol you have all the skills and honestly the metric bikes have been faster than Harley’s since the Vmax came out and like what 1985? While I really like Harley’s I’m always disappointed in there choices. I mean common Moto Guzzi and other smaller bike builders come with Brembos and nicer Shock dampening. I truly feel Harley is just a flat out lazy company when it comes to engine design and power. Harley’s screaming eagle kits should be what the bike comes with stock. All Dynas should have the 110 when your stepping up against metric bikes. It’s like Harley is content with being slow. Then you get the Vrod which is awesome but a very one dimensional bike. Imagine a Dyna with the Vrod Motor??????? Or a Dyna coming with a 117 from the factory. I totally get the feeling I just rented a road glide for the last two days and I love it. The sound and power band is fun to play with but my god there Shock damping sucks and the 107 is still heavily underpowered vs the metric stuff. Hell look at how many companies offering Olin’s has options. Why can’t Harley do the big engines standard in there bikes? That’s the stuff that really bothers me about them.
Hahaha! I'm sure with some research and practice that I could pull it off. But it's never been a high priority.
I know. Why does Harley offer different "stages?" My VTX isn't offered with different stages. Stupid concept that seems, to me, to treat customers as chumps. My VTX is what it is - a reliable, comfortable, affordable, powerful machine.
The reason is very simple. HD workers are union. High wages & high retirement. Very difficult to compete price for price.
I think everyone is forgetting about the Kawasaki ZL's Eliminator 900 / 1000 back in the day. Shaft drives and I've seen them twist and snap shafts like toothpicks. The Vmax still has a current following and production but the ZL's demanded respect usually came down to the riders ability. Now again they are 4 cyl bikes so not really a fair match for V-Twins. So with that said pick up both of these and have a shootout video.
Air cooled vs Water cooled. Water cooled motors can be built for HP and Torque. Air cooled motors pretty much need to keep revs down to stay reliable. would like to see VTX1800 vs 109r.
For sure! The vtx 1800 vs 109r would be a great match up!
I agree..high speed and high rpm bikes need water.
@@JonsMotoGarage As the owner of an VTX 1800 I can tell you right now, with all things being equal, the M109R is still a faster bike. The VTX 1800 falls somewhere in between the Raider and M109R in performance.
Pushrod vs overhead cam too
I'm a USMC disabled veteran and was in tears when I couldn't swing my leg back over my S1000RR AND ZX10-R after (BOTH) my hip replacements. I started looking at V-Rods and my DoD colleague suggested the M109 BOSS edition. NEVER LOOKED BACK AND NEVER HAD A B&^%@ SEAT ON IT.
Thank you for your service, brotha!
....and I thought I was having fun beating Harley's with my C90T....
Hahaha...suzuki offers a lot of bike for the money!
I smoked a CVO Street glide on my C109 RT in 09 and my 109 was stock at the time. My buddy had just gotten his CVO and man he was pissed.
I was at a red light on my C90T with my gf on back. A solo rider on an Electro Glide pulled up next to us. When the light turned green, he took off. I casually left the intersection and waited until we got the the viaduct. He kept looking in his mirror for us, but we were beside him. He hit it again and looked in the mirror. He looked over as we were beside him. I still had a lot of throttle left, plus a rider. We all laughed and waved at each other.
When you eliminate the rev limit on the 109 it will bury the speedometer
Yes! Mine does.
Damn that 109R sounds sexy
Right!? Its like an old school hot rod!
Are those cobra pipes
M109R all day long no contest.
I test drove both. And bought raider. M109 is faster top end but equal low and mid. Besides that rest of m109 seemed cheap. M109 needed alot of work going around corners. Raider went around corners with ease. For me for country riding raider is a more fun bike. The 113cu in raider is no slotch but doesnt cater to sport bike riders like m109
Good lord! That Suzy devoured that Yammer. And with that more skilled rider (the raider owner) riding it she really shit and get. Wow I guess it lives up to it's name......"THE BOSS". Interesting.
What monster bikes! I'd love to see a Raider/Warrior side-by-side comparison on how the ride feels.
Oh yeah! I had a warrior swing by a few weeks later but no longer had the raider. We did raider and low rider s ride along (a few pulls, but no drags). I love the warriors! My favorite of the performance cruisers overall.
@Jon's Moto Garage So glad to hear you say that, I just bought one which will be delivered in 3 days. Very excited!
@@Iron_Thunderstorm Nice! Congrats on the new ride! They're awesome bikes!
Almost same exact 1/4 mile times. Raider beats it in torque
I had a Raider that was stock except pipes upgrade and I was able to pull my buddies Warrior with intake, pipes, and tune. I didn't pull by much, at all, but did pull in higher speeds.
I think the m109r makes a good bit more horsepower and it shows it at 7500 to 8000 rpm
Check Moore Mafia, they've just dropped a vid on flashing the ECU on the Suzi, big hp gains...
My Rocket III will smoke both of these bikes as it sits now with a Carpenter Racing Exhaust, a Power Commander 5 and Ram Air. It put down 155.5 HP and 145.81 pounds or torque on the dyno. I also have a stage 2 supercharger on the way, according to TTS my bike should put down over 300 HP and over 200 pounds of torque at the wheel once it's installed.
Ive owned a 2015 Busa, 2012 vrod, 2014 m109r, 2008 m109r......and i was so pissed i got rid of my 2014 m109r that i drove 3 hrs to get my 2008 m109r, best cruiser that u can buy.....imo!
Sometimes it takes losing something to realize what you got. Lol. At least you found another one! Thanks for watching and commenting!
How did it go compared to the vrod 1250
Hey man, I just stumbled on your channel, I like what you’re doing comparing different bikes for whatever reason! I just got back into riding after 20 years. I had a Yamaha V-star 1100 classic. I just bought a Suzuki DRZ 400 and then rode my buddies cruiser and now I’m looking for a warrior! Good content keep it up. Cheers.
The Ducati is pretty much a 9 Sec bike depending on the driver and tires and conditions. Vmax is also the same way but I don’t think I’d call the Ducati or the Vmax muscle bikes or cruisers. Have you ever rode them? I’ve only sat on them and they were very “street fighter/naked bike feel” I don’t think I’d call those bikes muscle bikes at all. The Vrod and the rocket are true cruisers! Just hop on them without riding them and you’ll know what I’m talking about. The Vmax is very naked bike feeling when you throw a let over and the Ducati is like a mix of cruiser/naked.
The Vrod and rocket definitely are true cruisers 110% and they are prob the actual definition of a muscle bike. Those other two are kind of in there own category.
I've yet to get my hands on a vmax but have been looking for a while now. I've also been looking out for a vrod. I have zero interest in the diavel - can't stand the looks. Lol. And like you said, it doesnt really resemble a cruiser. But I. think it's cool that we have so many options to choose from.
even for the look the m109r win hands down!
It would be cool to see a vtx 1800 in there!
M109 is about the only thing I won't run against with my Vulcan 2000.
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@@williespoonemore3392 a straight 6 is a whole different beast. I guess I should've clarified I was meaning v-twin powered motorcycles.
I have a '99 valk its soooo quick, but i rode a 109 for a month it always feels fast its like a caged lion wanting to get out. The Valk is a different animal its a smooth cruiser with some giddy up I don't think honda engineers was thinking raw speed as the selling point as the suzuki engineers was thinking with the 109 plus its a 1800 with torque, and horsepower on tap it was made to move with power and speed.
Lot of VTwins out there that will run as fast or faster than a Vulcan 2000 other than an M109R....but the big VN2000 is no slouch either.
@@alfrede.neuman8611 agreed... the VTX 1800 comes to mind as a serious big twin too and wants to join the party.
The 109 is SICK!!
The only problem with the 109 is that eventually, your friends will recognize you on it!
Can you do a video of all the bikes you currently have and what you love about each one? Great videos!
Heck yeah! I actually did a garage tour a while back but never uploaded it. I'm so behind the 8 ball. Lol.
Jon's Moto Garage Cool! Will definitely be looking forward for that video! I know you enjoy all those toys!
M109R is a Beast hands down
Chrome over B.O.S.S.
I'd love to see a 2014-15 valkyrie against both of these things. I prefer the looks of the Yamaha over the Suzuki for sure though.
Heck yeah! I've seen few valkyries as of late. Would love to give one a shot!
@@JonsMotoGarage if you're ever in New York, I'd love to have to do a review on mine!
I got a New M109! They fixed the shift from first to second! I have road bikes all my life!! Im 50 yrs old. I aint gonna lie, This M109 is a monster. These younger kids on these sports bikes. Look at me funny when i eat there bikes up! The M109r, is big, its ,heavy and it will blow your mind, if you've never rod one!
I was very surprised how the m109r pulled away from the raider. Especially with the m109r is heavier
I wasn't surprised the M109r pulled away, the bike is a beast. Think of it as cruiser version of the Hayabusa...😅😎
True but the raider is lighter and the gears shift so much smoother than the nine
@@jhunt8502 Doesn't make the power though.
I always suspected the m109r would take it, but I was a bit surprised as well.
Ok, I can now say that the difference in power between these bikes is so minimal, all that matters is WHERE you prefer your power. Owning and ridi9ng the hell out of a very healthy VTX 1800R, I can say NOTHING "blows it away", not even close, but some bike do creep ahead in some gears, and that's OK with me. Raider's are rare to find on the road, but the one I had fun with had no chance, that being said, I wasn't riding it and as we all know, a lot has to do with the person on the bike. Many M109's, of every lettering, all seem close, but they pull ahead in certain gears, esp. the R version. The rest are pretty much head to head, but the VTX strolls ahead of them in 2nd and 3rd. No Harley's worth mentioning other than the V-rod, it's another close race, but the V-rod is much quicker off the line depending on the rider. Triumph Rocket...it wins every time, it's just stupid fast, don't even bother, it will probably just leave you gasping for air lol. Over all, unless it's a bike that costs 4x more, the VTX is a safe bet if you have a healthy, loved, maintained example. It's impossible to beat the VTX1800 in "bang for the buck"! ...Some other crazy "OMG, I JUST FOUND OUT'S", the VTX1800(speaking of mine only) has a very consistent 1/4 mile time, will bake the rear tire without even realizing it, will do upwards of 140mph+, but you need many, many miles...is completely stable doing burnouts while riding at speed, is scary af over 130mph!!!, and can absolutely wheelie(for whoever that's Important to Oo)...easily kicks into rear wheel drift in fast, or wide corners, and is stable doing it, never a scary moment when it suddenly finds grip(maybe bc of the weight?).lastly, aggressive riding will kill your gas mileage so fast, you'll wish you were driving your V8 powered RAM instead of the bike! :D
You didn't mention the V-Max. Lol.
Honda have always focused on reliability and stability, building a top-notch handling machine. (usually)
But both of these bikes should slightly best the VTX just going by hp-tq, and weight.
A good friend of mine bought the VTX the first year it was produced and pre-ordered and had the first one in the city on the road.
He still has that bike.
109 is an absolute beast
The Raider is a "stroker" configuration, whereas, the M109R is a over square configuration (short stroke larger diameter pistons). The M109R should "rev" faster thus producing power quicker. Strokers shine when you ride double (two heavy people), uphill fully loaded. They are also great for 0 to 40 mph and roll-ons from top gear at slower speeds. I would have liked to see a 5th gear roll-on from 20 mph to 50 mph, two up. I think the Raider might win that race. In other words, passing power with a touring bike fully loaded with two up might go to the Raider. I had a M109R and I hated the twisties with that huge back tire. The bike seemed to always want to "stand up" in the corners. Very nice bike and worth the trill to ride. Never have owned a Raider.
The 109 is a monster.I had a 2011, recently sold it for a Kawasaki Concours which is also quick and a nice freeway cruiser.
Nice! I've been looking for a Concours at the recommendation of a viewer. I think I'd enjoy it quite a bit.
@@JonsMotoGarage The Concours is definitely a sleeper.
@@hexrays ...its a Z-14 with a detune engine but still very fast its in the V-max class. M-109 or Raider don't stand a chance against it.
Boulevard all day
The boulevard is a MONSTER!
Raider is way faster
Kody King the raider isn’t faster but the m109r is all plastic.. not digging that at all!
@@kodyking3090 Don't be stupid.
Matthew Bunton seen plenty videos of both stock bikes and the raider whooped its ass 0-60 and 1/4 mile
So i have tuned many a v max , and you will not catch it in a straight line . When the BMW s 1000r came out my buddy and I took to the interstate, and it took him 6 miles to even catch my v max . . I simply ran out of RPM at the top .
i think should get out of residential and speed bump zone, then once at an adequate place. drop a rag or something.
Good idea! We only hit the strip with no houses, but I hear ya! And good idea with the rag.
The M109R looks badass, but then you added the footage of that black-chrome Raider and it's no contest, jesus fkin christ what a sexy thing... Raider for me please
😆😆😆😆😆 113 cu inches of raw bad attitude awesomeness vs a Susucki? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 No matter which is faster one is still a Susucki!
Tell your buddy to have Ivan's flash his cpu and the Raider will leave your Susucki in the dust.
I was hoping the black bike won. 🏍🤞
Yeah, shame the...wait! They're both black! Hahahah...I see what you did there!
Jon's Moto Garage hahaha
Those are nice bikes man! I wish you could find one of those old Honda magnas (v65, 1100) so you can compare it with the 109r. That would be sweet.
That would be awesome! I've heard great things about those magnas!
I've ridden all three. The V65 Magnas used to be called, "The Widowmaker", for a reason. It won't beat either the Raider or the M109R, but all three of these bikes are fast. The Raider takes the win, though. I've never been beaten by the M109R on mine.
@@johnspugnardi2743 i disagree a good running V-65 would hold its own, its lighter with a high red line. The 109 might be able to run it down but maybe not if its just too far gone.
M109R has a bit more horsepower than the Raider, Raider has way much more torque.
I ride a 2005 Road Star Midnight Silverado 1700cc. Practicing figure 8's it fell over and broke both bones in my lower leg. 800 pounds. Rookie stupid mistake. Bike is for sale.I'm 230# but it's just too much for me.
How much horsepower does the Raider have? How's the passing power on the highway let's say 65 to 80? Any downshifting require? Love your channel brother
I just had a raider that looked the same "raven" unfortunately it's front brake caliper stuck on me and locked the front wheel on me as i started slowing to come to a stop. It got totaled and my insurance paid me $2000 more than I paid for it then instead of buying an m109r I got the C109RT.
Kawasaki V2K is my favorite big cruiser. Not the fastest But the Torque is amazing. Mine dyno'd 112H/P 137 T
Great video thank you! I'm way up here in Port Elgin Ontario Canada
Both bike are awesome, but I feel like the 109r is less pretentious than the Raider, it's more of its own bike, if that makes sense. Theraider just looks too much like it's trying to be a Harley :\
M-109 R is my next bike . I ride a 1400 Suzuki intruder and it has torque & I see the M- 109 R is my next bike . Thank You for the Video .
throw rag in air, when it lands. GO!
The m109r is tough. Amazing video.
I like the Raider much better. The M109 is faster but full of cheap plastic parts everywhere you look. It will not stand the test of time and IMO an extremely ugly and bloated motorcycle....
I used to think very much along those same lines. After riding this around a bit more, I can see why they have a following - but definitely suited for a niche set of riders. Thanks for watching!
The Raider is WAY better looking, but damn, that power though!
I agree. If you could somehow blend the two. Lol.