Ableton Live 12: Yes or no?
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
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Ableton Live 12 is out today! Here are my thoughts ….
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00:00 - Ableton Live 12
00:30 - New browser
02:23 - Mixer view
02:52 - Composition & MIDI tools
07:21 - Meld (new synth)
09:43 - My favourite feature (new effect)
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have you downloaded Ableton Live 12 yet? 🤔 If so, let me know if it was worth it and what's your new favourite feature! Perhaps we'll cover it next 👇
Bitwig for me only, as the past coders of Ableton made a more advanced DAW for electronic music and more in taking it to many more levels of creativity that is more wild.
Not installed yet, but it’s on the nas.
lol, bitwig
Ableton always worth it, and this version kill the competition.
@@CinoPORakaDjCino not Bitwig from my POV.
I bought on the upgrade discount, I can now continue to not make music in the latest DAW! It opens and closes just as easy as 11 🤣
It is an improvement, certainly! 🤫😆
😂… me too, friend
i feel attacked
Bro, quit talking about me 😅
Lmfaoooo glad I'm not the only one
God! I just started using Live 12 only a couple of minutes ago. I've been using it since Live 9 and it's amazing to see how far Ableton has come.
Hell yeah! 🙂🙌🏻 I started creating my courses in Ableton 9, a massive difference to what we have today :)
The global key is a huge addition for me. I'm really hoping this goes forward to include an ability to program a chord progression into a track and allow other clips to follow and the generation to consider this.
Couldn't agree more, Kevin!
What does the global key do?
@skylarroy-bw1yb it sets the key that all of the clips in the session will default to. It also feeds into several devices (pitch shift for example) to tell them what the key is so that they keep to notes in the jntended scale.
Would be useful if you could show the mixer in the arrange page by holding down TAB, meaning you could make your edit with mouse and then release TAB again.
That’s exactly why I purchased 12 for
If the sample tagging is stored as metadata on the samples themselves, then it sounds like a useful feature. If it's stored in a proprietary database format then it sounds like a lot of work to tag all your files then have that information unavailable when you decide to switch DAWs or the database inevitably gets corrupted.
Cool Videos. a lot of learning, Do you think you could make a video related to "sub-bass". Do we need it?, where to make the frequency cuts etc..
Great idea, I will add this to my list. In the meantime, I recommend checking my videos on low end, you will learn a ton :)
thnak you thats helpful ( can you make a tutorial about the bass sound desing ,argy aria track )
Glad you found it useful!
I'll add this to my list, thanks for the suggestion :)
I am stoked I can’t wait to DL it and get working!
Hope you enjoy it! :)
WHAT'S THE SHORTCUT TO OPEN/CLOSE THE CLIP VIEW??? PLEASE (it was CMD+OPTION+L but now doesn't work)
Could you do a in depth video of there basic effects and if they changed at all?like maybe the phaser and flanger and if they’ve given the user more control over the effects
Great suggestion, Bryce, I will add this to my list :)
Thank you for your video. Now, I understand better the new features of the MIDI tool.
Stoked to hear that, Franklin!Thank you for wathcing and supporting 🙌🏻
What's MIDI?
@@skylarroy-bw1yb MIDI is meaning Musical Instrument Digital Interface and to be short, it's like an instrument record but in numeric version. Then you can change the VST to change the virtual instrument.
Hey Will! Thank you so much for your review :) i would like to see in your next video maybe making a song from scratch using the new Ableton 12 features! thanks for everything!!
You're welcome, and great idea!
I’m having a hard time understanding what snare is used for. When and where to place it
Been playing around with Meld a bit more and the swarm is fabulous
Ah, I can see now you have. Meld and Roar are the ones I enjoyed playing with a lot since beta came out
What is Meld?
Just got it today. OMG Loving Roar!
Yes, what a lovely tool! I am sure it will be featured in my videos :)
The only thing that pissed me off was I loved Thermal, but NGL, better in the box 📦
What's Roar?
It sure would be fantastic to watch a few tutorials of you producing with Ableton and the Push 2 👌😉
Maybe one day! Push is too much of a distraction for me right now, as I am focusing on improving courses this year :)
@@EDMTips >>> Fair enough, I totally understand the "dedication to focus" aspects.
btw Your content is amazing! 🤩
(I'm sure you wouldn't have it any other way;) and I'm excited about joining your courses very soon 🙂👍
Tut on how to make that last arp fx pls, so cool and great video
Cheers, perhaps I will make a short on this in the future :)
Quite useful explanation. I think it will take time for me to get used to all this new stuff as I am using Ableton Live just for a year. I have already 5 track pubished on Beatport, but basically compressor, saturator, delay, reverb and eq are my main tools. Then Operator and Analog but mostly with presets and some personal tweaks :))
Nice one, iamwilde! Keep up the good work and don't forget to enjoy the process :)
just a heads up, scale is set at the clip level not globally by the setting at the top - different clips can be in any a scale you want say d major and d penta or any scale you might want . big fan of your content btw
Solid breakdown, thanks
Cheers, glad it was helpful! 🙂
I now know I can download mine thank you. Top man.
Join the club 🙂
Will, do you think this is worth the upgrade? I've been doing DJ mixes and mashups for years in Live but now working through learning production so will this boggle my mind even more after getting into v11?
My honest answer it depends. Perhaps get to grips with your current version first? especially if you're only using it for mashups and such.
Of course yes! I already updated
😎
Can you make a tutorial on how to apply global swing in ableton? I really don't want to manually change the swing setting on each and every pattern. Thank you ❤
Great suggestion, I will add this to my list! :)
It has a couple cool additions but some glaring issues that have been around forever. Terrible modulation and every device has a different setup. It’s annoying because I can’t apply say the cool randomizers in roar to other devices. The lfo is so clunky and you have to group and map everything to a macro if you want to control stuff in grouped device.
You can only edit one audio clip at a time, too. Dutch freeze and flatten and replace with bounce in place.
New midi tools are cool though
Thanks for sharing 🙌🏻
Okay, I'm a Logic Pro user, but I think this is a cool update. The only think I was wondering if Ableton is not growing to big/complex with so many options? Do they still hold on enough there initial philosophy?
I guess only time will tell. From speaking with some of their representatives, it seems like they know what they are doing.
Wonderful video -thanks
You're welcome, glad you lied it! Have you downloaded the new version yet?
I have and now full in with Abelton from migrating from Logic . I work super quick and this new version suits that . With enhancements to the mixer - small but important I feel it's easier to see dB on tracks etc . My only gripe is Ableton's sends but it is what it is .@@EDMTips
Can't have it all, can we?!
@@EDMTips 100% 👍🏻😎
Will is happy with his new HD490 Pro :) greetings from Prague!
Hello there 🙂 Yes, they are quite good :)
Had the Beta for a couple of months and had no problems, still like to play around on Studio One 6
You're the second person who mentions it. Do you find it easier to use?
@@EDMTips 12 is great for performing but Studio just seems to have everything.The feature where alll plugins go to sleep when not in use is a winner for me.
Fair enough, I can see the appeal. Not enough for me to switch though!
@@EDMTips ve is number one for performing hands down.Have a great weekend mate
Well.... I've got it now. Just haven't had much time to explore it yet. Add on learning Push 3 into the equation, it's bit overwhelming.
Take your time, Carl, it's not going anywhere :)
I would have much rather liked to see an improvement in the way automation is edited. It's the one thing I detest in Ableton! Thanks for walking us through the update though;) I'll wait to download a little while yet
Yes, that would indeed be nice! Perhaps in the next iteration, fingers crossed 🙂
For the audio effect, If you right click on the browser, it should say group in folder.. Even that is gone also?
Yes it's gone. Just create a folder with all the stuff you use for easy access.
Hi! So if I have Ableton 11 Suite version do I need to pay the 229 different right? I thought it would be free :(
Depends on when you bought it, I think
I am moving to Ableton from Studio One. Changing DAWs is never easy, hoping there will be a good starter tutorial on 12 out soon (Groove 3, UA-cam,... anyone)?
Ah, I am sure there are many tutorials on Ableton 12 already :) I am not planning another dedicated one but I will be using Ableton 12 in my future videos for sure!
man i love this channel!
Cheers, Joey, really appreciate the kind words of support!
Big yes from me, with the new midi tools 😊
They are quite powerful, yes! 🙌🏻
Well, I bought it when I saw the discount when I buy Ableton 11. Now I'm sitting here using Ableton 12 and I'm happy so far 😊
Great to hear! What's your favourite new feature yet?
All of those random MIDI generation are just THE BEST FEATURES for Psytrance Producers. I use Rhytimizer for my generation, but this can help a lot in creating random patterns and arps to use in psychedelic music. Looking foward onto this version. Also, that chance feature is a good feature as well as it adds more randomness to the sound
Totally! I’d like to explore MIDI a bit more and I am sure I will make a video about it soon
Just bought rhythimizer last month god dammit lol
Going to watch some tutorial videos on Ableton and get the 30 day free trial. Using FL Studio right now but I'm not entirely happy with it and looking to get Ableton in the near future.
Nice! About 12 in 12
I'm enjoy live 12! Thanks Will.
Hell yeah! Stoedk to hear that! What's your favourite tool so far? :)
Hi!
Im totally new in PC DAWs world and right now im testing few of them to decide which one i will choose.
So please help me to understand something...
On Ableton, we have to pay for the upgrade to the new version?
I think a DAW is a personal choice but I switched to Ableton now over a decade ago and never looked back.
All of them have their pros and cons, I recommend trying them both and see which one is more user-friendly and intuitive for you.
You can also check this article, it might help:
www.edmtips.com/guide-into-music-production-software-for-beginners/
@@EDMTips you are perfectly right.
I know that there are few very good DAWs and i will not name them here because thats actually not important, being totally out of topic.
But its still not clear for me if the update / upgrade to a new version is free or not.
So if lets say i buy Ableton Live 12, when Ableton Live 13 will be released, the update to Live 13 will be free, or i will need to pay for it?
From the comments looks like the update / upgrade must be bought, but a direct answer will be very useful.
@@EDMTips I think i got it.
So the update to a new version is named "major revision" and its not free for Ableton.
The link you gave me helped.
Thank you!
Is it better than 11 for cpu usage ? Thanks
Pretty comparable, as far as I can tell
I've heard about the update, but haven't updated mine yet. Should i ? Any bugs ?
Haven't encountered any yet 🤞
After trying the beta for a while there is nothing new n terms of what I use. I use my VST Synths and don’t need the midi updates. Staying with 11 but at the moment I am using Bitwig 99% of the time. Bitwig handles the CPU Power way better. I hoped that Ableton would make a step forward performance wise. But they didn’t.
So if you were using Live Intro and you bought during Black Friday. Then you get an Upgrade to Live 12 Standard when it comes out, so it was well worth it. At least I think that was how it worked and thats what I have now. I just needed more tracks. lol
I just want to swap audio files fast like in FL. Is that too much to ask ?
Seems like it, yes 😁
I don’t really mind the issues in the first point because with the browser I always use CMD - F and then type in what I’m after. Just a habit now.
Great tip, thank you for sharing!
@@EDMTips No problem. Command F > Input plugin name > Enter > Enter and it snaps plugin straight into current track. Don’t have to touch the mouse once. Absolutely changed the game for me.
Can we have that "Roar" pose as a GIF? Just to announce our new tracks anywhere on Social Media? I've found some useful things, so I would definitely say it's worth it. Of course, it's pretty new. And I need some time to dig into it.
I believe the biggest issue is the new browser. But nothing that you cannot workaround. I grew up in the GDR. And due to the lack of possibilities, you always had to workaround. In the end after watching all the preview videos and my short walkaround in Ableton 12, I would say that it will speed up my creative process.
🦁
Ahaha, I am not ready for this kid of fame 😆
12 was working fine but only eleven days after its release, they went to 12.01 which couldn’t find the preferences and wanted to be authorised again.
Ouch!
I've got the beta aswell though I have 1 big problem that is just the biggest deal breaker for me: I cant hit ctrl alt L to hide the thing at the bottom (dunno the name).
also I dont think its worth the 200 eu for me to upgrade
Fair enough, thanks for sharing!
One of the most frustrating issues I have with Ableton is that you set up everything you get it just how you want it. Then, without warning, the whole application fails to load up because it turns off the Audio Engine. You then can't get it to load until you rename the cfg file in the Ableton folder for it to make a new one. You have lost all your customisation. I made a tool for backing it up every once in a while. But it's a PITA.
Sounds like a right pain, sorry top hear it!
I switched over from 11 to 12 beta, as soon as I was able to download it - forcing myself into the new features (and some quirks). I've gotten pretty used to it, so just give it a bit of time. They really did not change much, from our beta input - which is sort of weird. The only improvements I saw over the course of the beta was in terms of performance and stability. They did not improve any features that many many people asked for. It is what it is. I think they will continue to act on the suggestions over the course of time. The thing about Ableton, they are slow and methodical about changes.
I think you're right about that. Although not much changed from beta, but even in beta I found quite a few new features I liked and will use in my workflow.
Been using Ableton for 11 years. To me Ableton 12 was a mostly unnecessary update adding stuff that wasn't really needed while leaving out features that were requested by heaps of people. Definitely try it tho, spend a week or so with it see if it makes sense for you.
I get it, Adam. Perhaps not needed, but some of these features I am sure I will be using a lot.
Where is BOUNCE IN PLACE?
WTF ABLETON!!!
Love you, Will!
Hello hello ,
The follow actions and clip BPM pls if u may
I really find ur method and vibe superb for a few friends that I teach , of course there are a few more cool artists but any how ur our favorite and we so so thank you cause life has been very very easier with you doing this
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Stoked to hear that, Ilia! Thanks for watching and supporting the channel 🙌🏻
MELD is only available for suite owners. Those of us with a Standard licence cannot use it.
That's right!
i bought it ableton 12, and i will check it out later today!
Hell yeah! Let us know what what you think about it :)
my LES does not work anymore with 12
It's a YES to me. Of course there's still room for improvement in both new and missing features, but can't complain much. Best Ableton Live experience so far.
100%!
As a Live 11 user (since version 9) I won’t be moving to 12 anytime soon. Just don’t think there is enough in this to warrant the price being charged.
Maybe down the line when it’s on a bigger discount (if).
Thanks for sharing, and I totally get it. I do find some of the new features might become my favourite though.
midi tools deep dive please! thank you Will!!!!
Yes, I’d like to do this one in the future
Does it still crash with buffer size problems?
Not for me, not yet anyway :)
Im glad Ableton has has an update, it will keep the amazing Bitwig on their toes for me
Haha, agreed! 😁
for just under £200 nah, they can stick it. 11 is fine for me, i can spend that £200 on plug ins i need rather than an upgrade that doesnt have anything i want
Fair enough! What plugins would you spend your money on? I am curios :)
Anybody else notice the scroll bars don’t show up? Ok if Im using my mouse to scroll as they show up but on my laptop with no mouse scroll they don’t appear.
Go to display in preferences and find scroll bar, show , always
@@holographichotline5408 thanks so much for that - I raised a support ticket but didn’t know that option existed - why would it ?!? I’ll give it a go
Yes worked - must have reset in the update as I’ve never needed that option in the past unless it’s a new feature. Either way all good 😀
Love it when the community gets involved!
@@EDMTips haha I’ve been using ableton on and off since it was first released. I could have done with your channel 20 years ago!! Learnt more in the past 12 months than all the other years combined
How can I download the said pack ?
By clicking the link in the description
@@EDMTips I have tried but to no avail
What's the upgrade price from Ableton Live 11 Suite?
Its a secret. Ableton gave us all the answer on their website but told us "not to tell Benedict"
@@hatsaok8153I come for the comments 😂 also, what I can say for sure is if you are asking this question after release, you are paying 20% more 😂
You'll have to look at your account page. There was also a 20% off pre-order bonus, but I think that ended on release.
I also come for the comments. And stay for them 😁
Can you have more than 8 Folders in The Collection Tab, Yey or No?
Same amount of Collections, but with the new browser you can essentially have infinite collections (they'll be in the Library section instead) -- you save your searches by clicking the + button, but it works nearly identically, and with the bonus of letting you have your own group in other parts of the browser. Hard to explain over text, but it's been fantastic.
Yah I've seen that, just wanted to make sure. Thank you for the kind words and help, I appreciate it!@@thelolmighty
Folks if you DO NOT have AVX2 on your processor you CANNOT use live 12 on windows check your processor before purchasing. You can use cpuz to check, if in the instruction field it does not say AVX2 dont buy the upgrade it will not work.
Thanks for the heads up, Dave!
Removing the folders for the Effects section in the browser was a great decision actually. They were a pain for pre-L11 users. It's better that you can create your own folders now.
All you had to do was right click on the folders to ungroup the folders and it would put all of them in alphabetical order.
@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 I know that. My point is that it generally wasn’t a great decision to go with the folders to begin with.
Ableton is powerfull and fast daw.. but missing ara 2 and Pitch editing capabilities like cubase pro
Good point, perhaps in Ableton 13 :)
Can we disable this stupid filter function? It takes more space than.my plugin list.. it slowest me down also it does not show plugin names properly. Some of my plugin are now showed with the same name.. i can just gues which of them is that one im searching for..
Some people look for major updates but Ableton 12 little big things are..💯👍
I think this is the way I see it too.
Been messing with the beta. For me, not worth it. I think that Ableton is missing basic functionality which makes it so hard for me to work.
I use Ableton because I have for 10+ years so it’s muscle memory,
The biggest problem is being able to bounce audio and then deactivate plugins on original track.
This includes bouncing groups.
It forces me to write small parts in Ableton and finish in cubase. Sad but true.
Sorry to hear that, deepsynth! Perhaps they will listen to their users and address those in Ableton 13
@@EDMTips wow, thanks for the reply love your channel and love your content.
Appreciate it!
i'm so dissapointed that i dont have ROAR in my standard version ((( sad
I can understand your disappointment, it is an excellent tool
Mixer in arrangment view was a 100% sell for me.
Yes, definitely a very nice feature 🙌🏻
Same. Also clip launch in note mode on push 2 also.
Let me guess, delay compensation still completely broken and playhead out of time visually with entire project when latent effects are used?
This time you guessed incorrectly.
@@EDMTips I will test it right now with a linear phase EQ and BRB!
@@EDMTips That was mean. Either you trolled me, or didn't even understand what I was on about.
Put some plugins with high latency around the project. Although ableton compensates them audibly, it is the only major DAW in existence that delays the audio visually in time with the playhead. SO for example I just put a fab filter linear phase EQ in high mode. The playhead will travel over the audio for whatever the latency of the plug in is, and there will be silence, and then the audio will play after the delay has passed. SO what you are seeing on screen is entirely different to what is being heard. For someone like me who mixes exclusively in UAD plugins, Live is a nightmare to work with cause I can't even audition samples in time with my eyes and ears, it can't be done. The playhead might be over the middle of the wav file for example, visually speaking, and then the start of it is what is playing. Which means the issue of LFO plugins having their timing all over the place if they are in a chain with latent plugins, probably still exists also. Ableton need a lesson from Bitwig on how to actually do PDC.
That said, live is a lot of fun to use, if one is willing to exclusively use only zero latency native plugins.@@EDMTips
amen brotherrrrrrr
Appreciate it! 🙌🙏Thanks for watching and supporting 🙂
Live 12 is amazing
Hell yeah!
Hmm browser looks like its stuck in the past and very cluttered. I havnt fownloaded the update yet gonna wait for a fir point updates and the mixer kinda looks like a window overlay but great they finally put it in there. I use several other daws and bitwig seems way better laid out to me with mix view options and the browsers of which you can have 2 even open at the same time.
It's definitely overwhelming when first opening Live 12 up, but I already love it so much more. It's so much more customizable, and you can essentially have unlimited Collections now by saving the searches. You can also hide default categories in the browser to clean it up.
If I was an Ableton guy, I'd use Ableton Pro a.k.a. Bitwig Studio 😉
😆😁
Until you try to find tutorials and friends to work with 😂😎🖤
12? I just upgraded to 11 a few weeks ago!
I think you must be eligible for a free upgrade then :)
TBH i came off Ableton i used it for ten years i now use studio one 6 artist it was only £85
Great price!
Gutted there's not a OS intell download. They didn't say anywhere on their website that they wasn't going to do it either when they had their offer and I bet loads of people have been caught out by that.
أنا أستخدم Reason 12 يا ويل 🌹❤
👍🏻
Is there a strum feature? Or do we still have to use an arpeggiator?😢
just offset each midi note slightly in the chord
yes i saw someone else show strum feature in midi that you can use now!
What 7ol4 said :)
Does it sound better?
Depends on the producer’s skills
@@EDMTips no, I'm talking sound... bounce out on master. I notice in 11 it was not the same of old. In the box it sounds one way, but the bounce out on master is not transparent.
It depends on your project's sample rate, file type, dithering, etc.,
That's alot to get a subjective answer 😅
The sound quality is 🤯but that may be more from Will’s sound staging and design…less from live 12.
Definitely Ableton, nothing to do with me 😎
Not worth it for me. But excited about all these cool new features I will get with Live 13.
Fair enough, only 1.5 years wait me thinks :)
Nothing compelling me to upgrade from 10. I use two big screens so don't care about stacking views. I actually play a keyboard so things like velocity and timing are done by me, not an algorithm. I have a ton of synths so don't care about Ableton's. And i'm quite happy with the browser as it is.
Fair enough, Remi, thank you for sharing!
"Finickity" lol Love it
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Yes 👍🏻 👍🏻👍🏻
Cheers, Lee!
Yo! 😍😍
Hey there!
@@EDMTips Really Helpful!! 😍✨ Thankyou ❤️
YES DUH
It crashed my mac. Now I’m out the upgrade money and a new Mac and interface uggghhhh. Sucks I’ll have to wait for awhile to get buy the items. My daughter is being born in less than 24 hours. Probably won’t have time for music 🤓
Hell yeah, boarderx! Congratulations on increasing your family 🎉🔥
Thanks brother! I love all your videos and channel content…. Appreciate the love!
Sorry but hasn’t FL Studio had all these functions in place for a long time before now??
Don't be sorry, Dean. DAW is a personal choice :)
It is not cracked yet so I guess I have to wait 🙈😅
I'll pretend I didn't see it 🙈
There are lots of good features but I hate that browser with a passion and I can't see how it can ever be refined to be good. It's been built so that you can categorise your things in a process akin to pulling teeth... one time. God help you when you want to change things later, or can't remember whether you tagged up a certain item or not.
Looks like I'll have to exercise memory more :)
@@EDMTips :) I'm being a bit fatalistic, so I should say instead that it's just unnecessarily slow rather than a complete block. If I want to know if an item is connected to a tag, I have to find the tag and check. I can't check the item at a glance and see, "Oh, it's in Clips and Drums and HipHop", which would have been possible with hover actions or just a different system.