Been doing the tournament poker thing for 10+ years and I still learn a ton from talks like this. You both offer so much to the poker community. Thank you.
Every year I come back to this video. In my opinion, the single greatest video for how to navigate low-mid stakes tournaments ever. Patrick Leonard is an absolute beast
two brilliant minds having a insightful convo that kept me engaged the whole time. These guys are truly a testament to the saying that hard work pays off, and validation that poker is a complex game of strategy and discipline.
That's like the best and honest poker video i've seen in a while. Well done guys. Always a pleasure to watch you both talk about poker. There is so much value in this video.. I hope people realize It. It's insane
Really insightful podcast guys. Two of my favorite players and people! One reflection/insight that arose for me (that may be useful for someone reading this) regards dealing with negativity...many of us have discovered the freedom, stress-reduction, and inspiration that comes from letting go of negativity and viewing things in a more neutral or even positive light...this is a blessing, because we have all likely also experienced feeling very negative about things ourselves....it's just human nature. But, when we notice someone else being really negative about things, it's natural for us to want to say "stop being negative, just be positive," etc. But this is often a reactionary stress response from ourselves, comes off as judgmental, and often doesn't get received well. So whenever we notice getting upset about someone else's negativity, this is an opportunity for OURSELF to reconnect with that peace and positivity within ourself. And to better communicate the message for the other person, we might be better off (1) to put ourselves in their shoes for a moment and understand why they might be feeling negative, and then (2) encourage them to see a new path, by saying something like "hey I understand why you may feel that way, and I used to feel a similar way about x...but there's actually a lot of good and opportunity in the situation, and we'll get better results by focusing on the opportunity instead." And if the person is really so stressed out that they do not understand, we do not "need" to make them understand...we can just move on....any extra worry is just more attachment/ego illusion on our part. But through self-awareness, and honest but compassionate communication, we can really guide someone towards a better path that they might not have seen, just like we hadn't (and still don't) at times. With humility and gratitude, blessings everyone, have a lovely day.
Great interview! Love the Pete Sampras analogy. I could never totally buy into to the GTO balance approach as a winning implementable strategy. I'm more inclined to develop exploits against hardcore GTO practitioners. It seems so many overlook fold equity these days and look for excuses to call into marginal situations at critical times when they can just hold on to their stack and get it in as the aggressor in a better spot a few hands later. As far as holding onto edges after success, I think the skills most likely to erode are the mental game and bankroll management skills. Both skills can be better maintained with more humility and less ego. Winning feeds the ego and erodes discipline. Gotta always stay ready for the ride on the variance train. I look forward to the meta games against GTO players in live play at low to mid stakes. I am not a robot, and neither are they.
@50:22 This reminds me of an interview of Valentina Shevchenko, a current UFC champion. They asked her if she regrets all the sacrifices she made to train so much and give up so much time. She said, "What should I regret? Should I have wasted my time getting drunk and doing stupid stuff? Is that even something I should regret?" I regret nothing because all my dedications has brought me here where I'm at and now I can do so much more than just celebrate. - all paraphrased by me. Devote valuable time to what you want to achieve. It's part of that "hard work" everyone talks about...
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There is a great quote about working hard - To be The Number One, You have to work like Number Two.
Essentially the genre, scope, or nuances don't really matter unless you have the proper mindset. Granted, I'm sure they struggled at first (as both mentioned), but they are really making up for it on the back end by living the life they've chosen, enjoying the friends they choose, and limits they enjoy trying to attain. Honesty is a rare quality with something as contentious as poker, and it's actually in ones best interest to water down their advice. Kudos and Karma
I had heard of pads, but didnt know who he was, nor could I put a face to him. But this impressed the shit out of me, and was the perfect way to start the Sunday grind.
It's funny I've heard a lot of MTT regs say late regging is betting for your hourly while regging on time is better for you ROI but I know for sure I've had far more success late regging and Pads pretty much confirms that my experience is probably how it should be around the 15 minute mark. Really great interview, with lots of honesty and nuggets to learn from.
it is just insane. I can't believe how ignorant I have been. I had to take a break after 15 mins of the video due to the sheer volume of information which has just been given away for free. Thank you so much.
WOW! I so agree. I had this discussion on the DTO discord. A simple question about their app having RFI spots turned in to sarcastic speeches about how preflop actually didn't matter much. I guess anything to sell a product. I tried to clarify if they were talking about cash games (which still wouldn't make sense, but a bit more) but no, tourneys and SnG's too. So yes, I'm very happy to have seen this video.
Plot Twist: There exist outtakes of this conversation where they actually DO talk pro but we will never find out because we are not pro and therefore they cut it out
i wish i saw this earlier but i ended up studying 10BB,20BB short stack equity play because ive realized that every tourney ive played would always end up there. Since then my game has gotten way better and im making more FT.
Thank you guys for this absolutely incredible Podcast! In this Video are coming so many things together and esp. the last videos from RYE or with Pads, it´s insane. Thanks so much to Patrick for the recommended Article on Medium, it was so awesome to read, and i eat it :D And last but not least, so much respect for the idea of unionizing and a poker-community who will implement this maybe. ☺♥ Much greetings
Just returned to playing live poker after taking a decade off. Quickly found out that the virtual poker landscape is severely disconnected from the live poker world. Talking cash games here. Your solver is going to do more harm than good. Solid poker fundamentals, being able to identify player types and understand the counter strategy is going to STILL make the money. Poker is still alive and well. SOME of the younger players have a good game, but their execution in the real world is pretty poor. FPS, Fancy Play Syndrome and missing bets is a big leak from what I've seen.
The problem however is your talking strictly about exploiting the worst rec players. If your not studied at all vs a decent reg you have very little chance. Anyone can beat recs, some for more money than others, I value bet thinner than I likely should in almost every pot I can because in live poker people don’t raise punish me nearly enough. Against other regs though I play more solid, because I’ve studied not to beat the whale who’s spewing but to stay relevant when everyone else gets better.
@@jasonhounsell3297 He didnt say anything about the worst recs,he said "identify player types and understand the counter strategy."Thats basic exploitative play
such a great talk . thanks so much for sharing honestly all these topics .as a former professional volleyball player completely agree with compulsive mastering
1) 14:25 is exactly what the arrogant cash gamer in me didn't realize 5+ years ago. Well put. 2) I'm on "team GTO", but this conversation was a good one to show the other side. Shows the limitations of solvers and the absurdity of always worrying about "but but GTO/balance... but but the solver..." 3) re: balance vs "obsessive" all-in approach to mastery I'm guilty of preaching balance, while having no balance at all when I started. Grinding all day every day. At some point you sneak in some balance to make it more sustainable. Good discussion guys.
now i start to understand why i do better in this game when i just play after my own head and ideas and why i start to fuck up when i try to apply whats considered to be optimal. cause you only need to play optimal against the optimal player and that guy doesnt exist.
Amazing podcast, thanks for everything you do Ben. One thing tho, please have your mic closer to your mouth, I had to change volume every time you guys were talking.
I loved this cast, really interesting stuff...It is nice to see that these two great players had their ups and downs too and they both still remain themselves...I was also predicting this after covid lobbies, garantees, dead player pool etc...It is really sad to see it happening right now but not a big surprise honestly...Still poker is business and for the sites we are just pawns and they do not really care how many will fall if it brings the results which is for them one and only thing money. With this perspective from their side it will be up hill battle. Gl us
Hey Guys, This video is actually kind of a philosophy podcast. I say fuck the first 25 minutes of poker talk and every late-teenager should watch this. You talk about very important life topics so comprehandedly, that this video should be watched in schools all over the world. Ego away... I am at my early twenties and people of my age around me do seek my company because I understand why you should call ppl on their BS that is dragging them down, when to be rough yet remember to remain possitive and do it to help them (and myself and general comunity). Sacrificing current balance to be genuinely serene, happy and content with your life. Facing the decisions and not to be affraid of outcomes but to take into the equation that they MAY happen. I feel like I am not far from being unique at this age to realise this. (Still having a lot to learn) Some people say that the "young ones" do not care about this stuff and dont want to hear about it. But I say the time when we start caring about these things comes earlier than imagined. Seriously, You created some quality content and You have experience with teaching about mindset. PLEASE consider creating podcast/lesson, or whatever you want to call it, targeted on newly-adults. It might have enormous impact and You could seriously start a chain/snowball reaction affecting life of many.
the unhealthy compulsive topic really affected me in a good way, i remember llinuslove grinding 200z,. he maybe took 1 day off a month, he was grinding hardcore 8+ hours a day and studying
This is amazing guys. Well done :) If you not be able to extract the advices that Pads and Ben give to you, I'm so sorry. About Mindset the book of Carol Dweck is priceless on that subject.
Great podcast I've taken a lot from this as a long term rec player thank you! Also the union aspect is a great concept that I'd love to see actioned in some form and would love to be apart of. I look forward to hearing where this goes from here and with my business knowledge and connections hopefully I could add some value down the line somewhere.
Great content, one tip would be to make sure your camera is setup so you are centred and looking at it. Would make watching the podcast so much better.
Patrick is one of a few players with the ability to articulate his knowledge in a way that can be understood by the average person. Awesome content.
Check out Pads blog: medium.com/@patrickleonard_1924/post-series-blues-c77f5a9d7811
@@bosslife Thanks for the tip! Weren't aware of the new feature yet
wow i cant remember the last time i have been listening to a 97minutes podcast without getting bored/distracted at some point...really good talk guys
Good to hear! We will keep pumping them out!
Been doing the tournament poker thing for 10+ years and I still learn a ton from talks like this. You both offer so much to the poker community. Thank you.
Happy to do it.
17 minutes in and I'm already nodding vigorously at my screen. This content is like gold. Thanks Ben and Pads!
Seriously, this talk was exactly what I needed today. Thank you.
Every year I come back to this video. In my opinion, the single greatest video for how to navigate low-mid stakes tournaments ever. Patrick Leonard is an absolute beast
Every year, I re-watch these podcasts.They are so informative. Thank you, Ben!
That pads is so smart
Big brain on that guy or what!
@@RaiseYourEdge defently
except about politics.
It's called awareness and we all have it. It's just that the vast majority of people don't know how to access it.
Pads is the best pro to have on these podcasts, could listen to him for hours. Keep up the good work Ben, appreciate it.
The content provided in this video is straight up priceless and so motivational!
Super happy to hear!
two brilliant minds having a insightful convo that kept me engaged the whole time. These guys are truly a testament to the saying that hard work pays off, and validation that poker is a complex game of strategy and discipline.
i can tell pads got a rly nice lvl of focus. he can rly well listen.
That's like the best and honest poker video i've seen in a while. Well done guys. Always a pleasure to watch you both talk about poker. There is so much value in this video.. I hope people realize It. It's insane
Im not planning to be a poker pro, but I always listen to this type of conversations from rebuycb, his words are pure gold (26:46)
huge respect for pads and ben, great podcast i learned a ton from it !! .
Super happy you enjoyed!
This is absolutely brilliant advice and so happy I found this podcast.
Really insightful podcast guys. Two of my favorite players and people!
One reflection/insight that arose for me (that may be useful for someone reading this) regards dealing with negativity...many of us have discovered the freedom, stress-reduction, and inspiration that comes from letting go of negativity and viewing things in a more neutral or even positive light...this is a blessing, because we have all likely also experienced feeling very negative about things ourselves....it's just human nature. But, when we notice someone else being really negative about things, it's natural for us to want to say "stop being negative, just be positive," etc. But this is often a reactionary stress response from ourselves, comes off as judgmental, and often doesn't get received well. So whenever we notice getting upset about someone else's negativity, this is an opportunity for OURSELF to reconnect with that peace and positivity within ourself. And to better communicate the message for the other person, we might be better off (1) to put ourselves in their shoes for a moment and understand why they might be feeling negative, and then (2) encourage them to see a new path, by saying something like "hey I understand why you may feel that way, and I used to feel a similar way about x...but there's actually a lot of good and opportunity in the situation, and we'll get better results by focusing on the opportunity instead." And if the person is really so stressed out that they do not understand, we do not "need" to make them understand...we can just move on....any extra worry is just more attachment/ego illusion on our part. But through self-awareness, and honest but compassionate communication, we can really guide someone towards a better path that they might not have seen, just like we hadn't (and still don't) at times. With humility and gratitude, blessings everyone, have a lovely day.
Great interview! Love the Pete Sampras analogy. I could never totally buy into to the GTO balance approach as a winning implementable strategy. I'm more inclined to develop exploits against hardcore GTO practitioners. It seems so many overlook fold equity these days and look for excuses to call into marginal situations at critical times when they can just hold on to their stack and get it in as the aggressor in a better spot a few hands later.
As far as holding onto edges after success, I think the skills most likely to erode are the mental game and bankroll management skills. Both skills can be better maintained with more humility and less ego. Winning feeds the ego and erodes discipline. Gotta always stay ready for the ride on the variance train.
I look forward to the meta games against GTO players in live play at low to mid stakes. I am not a robot, and neither are they.
Great podcast - Pads explains himself so well, so easy to understand his ideas, inspiring.
Top stuff guys, hearing you talk about these things really gets you motivated to improve and think about the game in a logical and simple manner
That's great to hear! #letsCRUSH
incredible video. two legends of the game. thanks for this!
Incredible information! Thank you so much Ben and Pads!
@50:22 This reminds me of an interview of Valentina Shevchenko, a current UFC champion. They asked her if she regrets all the sacrifices she made to train so much and give up so much time. She said, "What should I regret? Should I have wasted my time getting drunk and doing stupid stuff? Is that even something I should regret?" I regret nothing because all my dedications has brought me here where I'm at and now I can do so much more than just celebrate. - all paraphrased by me. Devote valuable time to what you want to achieve. It's part of that "hard work" everyone talks about...
There is a great quote about working hard - To be The Number One, You have to work like Number Two.
PADSPOKER could be a good mental poker coach) he's speech is really motivating ✌♥️
It must be the accent ;-)
Really insightful commentary, Pads. Good stuff!
Essentially the genre, scope, or nuances don't really matter unless you have the proper mindset. Granted, I'm sure they struggled at first (as both mentioned), but they are really making up for it on the back end by living the life they've chosen, enjoying the friends they choose, and limits they enjoy trying to attain. Honesty is a rare quality with something as contentious as poker, and it's actually in ones best interest to water down their advice. Kudos and Karma
I had heard of pads, but didnt know who he was, nor could I put a face to him. But this impressed the shit out of me, and was the perfect way to start the Sunday grind.
Thanks for taking the time to make these and educate others. Very real conversations, much appreciated
You are very welcome!
Guys i am so happy you sharing this talks between you. its helping me a lot !
Lovely to hear David! More to come!
2 of my favourite poker people! Amazing podcast guys with an amazing level of value 🙌
Loved the conversation guys ! Keep it up, alot of great info
Ben, I think your mug (37:58) reflects, how much I love this content. Keep it up man.
It's funny I've heard a lot of MTT regs say late regging is betting for your hourly while regging on time is better for you ROI but I know for sure I've had far more success late regging and Pads pretty much confirms that my experience is probably how it should be around the 15 minute mark. Really great interview, with lots of honesty and nuggets to learn from.
it is just insane. I can't believe how ignorant I have been. I had to take a break after 15 mins of the video due to the sheer volume of information which has just been given away for free. Thank you so much.
Amazing advice on mastering 30bbs and playing straightforward 100bbs +
Total Gold. Thanks so much for doing this guys! 💰
WOW! I so agree. I had this discussion on the DTO discord. A simple question about their app having RFI spots turned in to sarcastic speeches about how preflop actually didn't matter much. I guess anything to sell a product. I tried to clarify if they were talking about cash games (which still wouldn't make sense, but a bit more) but no, tourneys and SnG's too. So yes, I'm very happy to have seen this video.
So good I'm watching it for a second time
Thanks for that very nice conversation. DANKESCHÖN 👍🍻
Plot Twist: They left out what they really don’t want us to know cause they are pro players
Plot Twist: There exist outtakes of this conversation where they actually DO talk pro but we will never find out because we are not pro and therefore they cut it out
Conspiracy Masterclass under way ;-)
@@stevenfitzgerald9905 1st take for the win
Around 38 mins it was edited to cut the juiciest part I'm sure of it ;)
@@RaiseYourEdge but its just maarketiiing xDDDD grüße aus Hietzing ^^
i wish i saw this earlier but i ended up studying 10BB,20BB short stack equity play because ive realized that every tourney ive played would always end up there. Since then my game has gotten way better and im making more FT.
Yes, from 2bb to 30bb for me, with skipping some stacks in between due to comparing let's say 5bb to 6bb with small adjustments.
Thank you guys for this absolutely incredible Podcast! In this Video are coming so many things together and esp. the last videos from RYE or with Pads, it´s insane. Thanks so much to Patrick for the recommended Article on Medium, it was so awesome to read, and i eat it :D And last but not least, so much respect for the idea of unionizing and a poker-community who will implement this maybe. ☺♥ Much greetings
Great to hear! You're very welcome
First time watcher. I'm kicking myself for not doing it earlier. Amazing content and I LOVE the multiple time stamps with topics to keep you engaged.
Lovely to hear Edwin, welcome aboard!
Great conversation on how to excel in anything
This is the most interesting poker podcast i have ever seen! Thanks so much Ben and Pads. I will 100 % join the RYE Team!!!
We are really happy to hear you liked it, looking forward to see you join us!
Excellent stuff. Holy shit, Pads is a powerhouse when it comes to dropping wisdom.
Just returned to playing live poker after taking a decade off. Quickly found out that the virtual poker landscape is severely disconnected from the live poker world. Talking cash games here. Your solver is going to do more harm than good. Solid poker fundamentals, being able to identify player types and understand the counter strategy is going to STILL make the money. Poker is still alive and well. SOME of the younger players have a good game, but their execution in the real world is pretty poor. FPS, Fancy Play Syndrome and missing bets is a big leak from what I've seen.
You so right
The problem however is your talking strictly about exploiting the worst rec players. If your not studied at all vs a decent reg you have very little chance. Anyone can beat recs, some for more money than others, I value bet thinner than I likely should in almost every pot I can because in live poker people don’t raise punish me nearly enough.
Against other regs though I play more solid, because I’ve studied not to beat the whale who’s spewing but to stay relevant when everyone else gets better.
@@jasonhounsell3297 He didnt say anything about the worst recs,he said "identify player types and understand the counter strategy."Thats basic exploitative play
Great episode, Patrick you’re amazing!
such a great talk . thanks so much for sharing honestly all these topics .as a former professional volleyball player completely agree with compulsive mastering
You're welcome!
Pads next masterclass: how to mincash 100% :)
Well ive been studying dfifferent preflop ranges at 100BB to 60BB for the past two weerks. Time to change my approach. Thanks for the advice.
You are welcome, good luck!
Very good advice for people that want to get into the game.
Yeah , that was For sure one of the best and useful videos about poker I ever saw 🙏🏻🥰 sooo much very good information . Thanks a lot , Ben ! 🙏🏻
Glad it was helpful!
This video alone made me lot of money and made me want to be MTT olayer. Thank you Ben Pads!!!
I listen to this pretty much everyday and learn something new each time :;)
That's awesome!
Thank you boys for this amazing podcast !!! ❤️
1) 14:25 is exactly what the arrogant cash gamer in me didn't realize 5+ years ago. Well put.
2) I'm on "team GTO", but this conversation was a good one to show the other side.
Shows the limitations of solvers and the absurdity of always worrying about "but but GTO/balance... but but the solver..."
3) re: balance vs "obsessive" all-in approach to mastery
I'm guilty of preaching balance, while having no balance at all when I started. Grinding all day every day. At some point you sneak in some balance to make it more sustainable.
Good discussion guys.
now i start to understand why i do better in this game when i just play after my own head and ideas and why i start to fuck up when i try to apply whats considered to be optimal.
cause you only need to play optimal against the optimal player and that guy doesnt exist.
My biggest enemy after myself: indecision. I'm not even decided about poker. That's how much I overthink everything.
Perfect content as always, thank you guys!
Amazing podcast, great contents! Thank you very much guys!!
A lot golden nuggets! Party poker doing poker best way. Also the pool is harder than other places, rake back helps a lot
One of best podcast so far
Amazing podcast, thanks for everything you do Ben. One thing tho, please have your mic closer to your mouth, I had to change volume every time you guys were talking.
such a master piece i will see it aain before the series now that i own the both courses can really understand better your mental thoughts
Thank you very much! Keep chipping away at it and improving!
Keep up the good work Ben! Please interview Yuri theNERDguy.
Thanks! We will continue to look for great guests!
Sorry, I was focused on my DNegs comment. Thanks for a great podcast, very interesting and informative.
Thanks for the good infos and good updates on the ecosystem.
Really interesting stuff !
I loved this cast, really interesting stuff...It is nice to see that these two great players had their ups and downs too and they both still remain themselves...I was also predicting this after covid lobbies, garantees, dead player pool etc...It is really sad to see it happening right now but not a big surprise honestly...Still poker is business and for the sites we are just pawns and they do not really care how many will fall if it brings the results which is for them one and only thing money. With this perspective from their side it will be up hill battle. Gl us
So interesting! Great content! Thank you so much!
You're welcome!
Loved the video. Thank you for bringing him on. That Sampras analogy was gold.
01:35:37 & the next 10seconds of UA-cam's "closed captioning" Is brilliant.
Hey Guys,
This video is actually kind of a philosophy podcast. I say fuck the first 25 minutes of poker talk and every late-teenager should watch this. You talk about very important life topics so comprehandedly, that this video should be watched in schools all over the world.
Ego away... I am at my early twenties and people of my age around me do seek my company because I understand why you should call ppl on their BS that is dragging them down, when to be rough yet remember to remain possitive and do it to help them (and myself and general comunity). Sacrificing current balance to be genuinely serene, happy and content with your life. Facing the decisions and not to be affraid of outcomes but to take into the equation that they MAY happen. I feel like I am not far from being unique at this age to realise this. (Still having a lot to learn)
Some people say that the "young ones" do not care about this stuff and dont want to hear about it. But I say the time when we start caring about these things comes earlier than imagined.
Seriously, You created some quality content and You have experience with teaching about mindset. PLEASE consider creating podcast/lesson, or whatever you want to call it, targeted on newly-adults. It might have enormous impact and You could seriously start a chain/snowball reaction affecting life of many.
ty so much for this great content Ben and Pads
excellent discussion lads !
Understanding opportunity costs is so important
the unhealthy compulsive topic really affected me in a good way, i remember llinuslove grinding 200z,. he maybe took 1 day off a month, he was grinding hardcore 8+ hours a day and studying
Different strokes for different folks.
@@RaiseYourEdge masterbation-nation
@@hugovaz777 1 day off a month 8+ hours a day
@@travisbickle0526 gotta do what you gotta do, to become a pro
@@hugovaz777 guess I'm a pro already then
Really great content, enjoyed every minute of it
This is amazing guys. Well done :)
If you not be able to extract the advices that Pads and Ben give to you, I'm so sorry.
About Mindset the book of Carol Dweck is priceless on that subject.
Love it thanks for this !
Great to hear!
huge respect for both of you guys :)
Absolute Gold. Thanks a lot fellas.
Great listen this. Thank you and subbed :)
August 2023 still listening like for the 8000 times ❤
this was really useful for me !! thanks guys
thanks ben
So Jesse Pinkman did find Alaska overly cold, made his way to Canada instead and has been on a heater ever since
Great podcast I've taken a lot from this as a long term rec player thank you!
Also the union aspect is a great concept that I'd love to see actioned in some form and would love to be apart of. I look forward to hearing where this goes from here and with my business knowledge and connections hopefully I could add some value down the line somewhere.
Thanks guys,great life lessons really appreciate it.
Great stuff, thanks Ben and Patrick both
You are welcome!
This is GOLD 👌👌
Nice channel. Talk about rta and boot thats an interesting subject too.
I watched this 2x had to comment at 2.2x your the goat bencb
Yo Ben it seems that you wanna solve the game as well as the life...Great content!
Great content, one tip would be to make sure your camera is setup so you are centred and looking at it. Would make watching the podcast so much better.
Read "The One Thing" by Gary Keller. It speaks to what you guys are talking about in min 54 of this podcast
38:00 love the glass with hearts
Love BenCB's mug xD
Holy shit this is full of golden nuggets thanks
awesome talk! thanks guys :)
Oh man this is golden!