Everything Wrong With Harry Potter & The Cursed Child - Play vs Books
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- Опубліковано 21 чер 2024
- Why I didn't like the Cursed Child - my thoughts and review on it after reading the play. I'll also be comparing it to the original book series.
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other character assassinations: Cedric becoming a death eater because he lost the Triwizard Tournament. Hermione becoming a bitter Snape-like teacher because she didn't marry Ron
Couldn't agree more. I wanted to cover them both in this video but it would have made it too long.
Tbfcitsxan alternative timeline and Cedric doesnt read as a acual good Person in the book to me more like a pretentios boy who got evefythibg he asked for
wtf?! That happens?? I’ve never read it but I only hear terrible things. This makes no sense
@@pascalfernandes6957Cedric is definitely a good person in the books. He has ambitions and wants to win the tournament, but he gives up on winning when he realizes it's unfair. Also, like in the third book, he wants to replay the match because Harry passed out.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2ptof all the atrocities Cursed Child introduced, Cedric joining the death eaters is the most believable.
He's the perfect guy, right? Handsome, talented, beloved by all... Nothing's ever gone wrong with his life, so who knows how he'd react to the humiliation of being cheated out of a win?
We already know he and his father are extremely prideful, though Cedric plays the part of the embarrassed child before his father's praise.
You could argue that it's his innate good and fair-play nature that led him to originally want to hand Harry the Triwizard win; we'd already seen him want to replay the Quidditch match from POA.
But you could also argue it's his immense pride that made him act this way. He also made these choices from a position of power over Harry: it was his choice to be the nice guy.
But if his immense pride in himself were to be shattered...
I can see him turning bad
The Cursed Child is FANFICTION. I don't consider it canon and neither should the rest of the fandom.
Lol too true. Worst of all though, I've read much better fanfic. This isn't even a good fanfic.
I think it's more like HATE-FICTION.
sucks for you considering its canon
And bad fanfiction at that
Easily of the worst ones ever written. Middle schoolers in the early 2000s wrote better fanfic.
Cursed Child doesn’t exist to me
Haha, I avoided reading it for a long time until I had to give in to make this video.
I could only just finish the book & have no desire to read it again. I might go & see it if it’s released at the movies first but am not excited by its potential release
@@luisecawthorne1025 I'll be actively avoiding it lol. To be honest I only could bring myself to read it for the sake of making this video, fortunately it wasn't too long.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt yes that is it the compare and contrast. It seems to me wishful thinking by the writers eg using the Time Turner to save Cedric Diggory, and I still found it hard to believe that Harry would behave to McGonnagall that way. Aside from her protection and caring of him, he’d also seen Lucius Malfoy’s treatment of Dobby, and had sympathy for Hermione’s establishing S.P.E.W
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I read the first few chapters in store and put it down straight away. There's no way bellitrix and voldemort had a kid haha as the time line doesn't make sense 😂
I love how this channel is taking Harry Potter seriously instead of either just dismissing it or overinterpreting it as something awful like most people online do nowadays.
Thanks man much appreciated! Glad you're enjoying the videos.
People firget how much love jk rowling put into the books for years and e en say stiff about her writing proces she has deconfirmed like notctaking critic when justxrecently she thought some criticism was fair.
The books ar great. The play Manager to do the core aspect of the series and i thing as a play works. Jk rowling sayed the story is canon but i do not think she ment zhe way it plays out execly. She didnt write this she only createt the Plot. She did ad,id thinking of this one since atleast GoF so delfie is likely her creation at least to some degree. But xou can see the acualy wroters didnt get Ron.
My hottake is that people would just keep praising Harry Potter, not getting themselves to see problems with the writing if not for JK Rowling's controversy. I find that pretty disingenuous. The same people who were never bothered by the writing are now experts in calling out everything that's problematic or poorly written.
I love the Harry Potter books but the play goes against all the available lore of her universe
Another issue with the prophecy, why would Harry Potter take it seriously? In book 3 through 6 we were absolutely beaten on the head with new examples of how they never actually tell a clear image of the future.
Yeah true, also why he takes Bane's warning 100% to heart, enough to punish Albus for it, depsite the centaurs saying the same thing that the future is unpredictable.
Probably because Trelawney's prophecy at the end of PoA came true - Dumbledore didn't question it and Wormtail's escape would plague Harry's mind for months afterward - he's still thinking about it during GoF
@@InhabitantOfOddworld I'm still not convinced to be honest - Dumbledore explains to Harry that the prophecy itself doesn't mean it HAS to happen, it's mostly just because Voldemort believes it and so it becomes self fulfilling. And the centaurs aren't exactly reliable throughout the main series.
I read it. I disavow it. I cut it out of my will. It's my deep love of the printed word that saves my copy from a gruesome fate.
I resonate with this.
You have a copy ? Why ?
@@kanhaibhatt913 😂😂😂 at the time I was excited for new adventures. Then I read it. It made me sad. 🤣🤣🤣
@Media Retrospective, Cursed Child has a lot of problems for me
1) Albus Severus Potter is in Slytherin for no reason (seriously, there’s nothing Slytherin-like about him)
2) Cedric Diggory becoming a Death Eater is My Immortal levels of idiotic
3) Harry hating the Slytherins is out of character for him after the end of the seventh book
4) A prophecy predicting going back in time and changing the past is self-undermining
5) “Voldemort Day” “über-geek” and other corny lines which don’t fit a story like this at all
6) Everything that you said
For me, pretty much the only good thing about it was alternate timeline Snape knowingly getting himself subjected to the Dementor’s Kiss to save the world (though it’s not clear to me why Dumbledore’s Army trusts Snape in this timeline.)
All great points! Especially 1, 3 and 5 I didn't catch. Cedric was so disrespected as well it's crazy how they made him become a Death Eater. I wanted to discuss him in the video but it was getting too long.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Maybe you can make a part 2
@@matityaloran9157 Yeah I'm very tempted to - then I can cover Cedric, Hermione and a few others.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt, if you do, I’ll watch that video
Finally a channel that doesn't talk sh1t on Harry Potter just for existing. Thank you so much!
No problem at all - glad you enjoyed the video!
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I see you make a lot of videos about HP. I really like that, I think I'll start following you. Keep up the good content. :)
@@mart3151 Thanks very much! I'll do my best.
You don't watch a lot of channels then if you think this.
@@FabricatedPheonix Then can you tell me some other channels that talk about Harry Potter lore? Would love to learn more. :)
Remember that JK Rowling is the writer who made Dumbledore gay out of nowhere for no reason and then somehow ruined the Dumbledore prequel (Fantastic Beasts 2).
Like seriously how do you mess up something like that? That should have been an absolute success.
This is just more of her decline. People change. She isn't in the same mindset as when she originally wrote the books, she like many others were pushed deeper into their ideology and decided that their work had to reflect their real life beliefs.
When you become worried about everything else except consistency, lore and maintaining a consistent vibe then the world you are creating falls apart.
Completely agree, I love the original series but she almost seems embarrassed by what she wrote and is constantly retroactively making changes.
You put it better than I could have, her mindset has clearly changed and it's a shame to see the franchise suffer as a result.
"No he was gay, I just didn't write that in the book because it wasn't necessary."
Okay whatever. Sounds like virtue-signalling without taking any real risks, but it does make some amount of sense.
"In this prequel I will hint at Dumbledore being gay, but in a really vague way that only makes sense for people that have read my personal statements."
....this is pushing it.
At least her works don't reflect her weird gender politics...that I know of at least.
@@yggdrasil2
The thing is would she have written a "hint" in the first book back in 1997 for her kid's fantasy? (No way)
If not then Dumbledore was never meant to be that.
He had a completely different backstory that she scrapped.
Even all the way to the last book the only thing we know about Dumbledore is that he loved his dead sister dearly, the sister that didn't have a major role in the new film.
Like we know that originally the person in the mirror for Dumbledore was either his whole family or just his sister. Now its the guy from the movie about wizard democracy and WWII for some reason.
@@darken2417 I agree with you on most things except for the bit about original intent. Intent changes over time anyways.
I love how small youtubers respond to all the comments X)
Thanks! Yeah one benefit of having a small channel is you get to interact directly with the viewers.
Hermione also sucks in this story. In the main timeline she is a weak authority no one takes seriously and in the second one she is bitter over the fact that she never got married. It's pretty insulting.
Yeah completely agree. I really wanted to cover Hermione as well but I realised the video was already quite long lol. I might do a part 2 though.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Yeah, it's less of a misunderstanding and more just making the character lame.
Modern culture loves the deconstruction of the hero- see Luke Skywalker, Indie Jones etc
Great point, it makes me a little sad to see all our heroes ruined in new media. Just for a change, I'd like to see a sequel that really treats the original characters and series with respect.
As a guy who very much enjoyed the Sequels, but disliked The Cursed Child, I think that modern iterations of franchises / heroes are on to something. Whilst I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, I believe that there's great value in having former heroes fail in their middle ages. Yes, you can aspire to be a force for good just like them. But no triumph is eternal, you aren't perfect. You don't know everything. You will fail and you will most likely become bitter for one reason or another.
But there is time to snap out of it and make the best of what you have. Rekindle the spark you lost and be there for those you love and need you.
And whilst it may seem dismal, it's realistic. Just like the perfect Instagram routine and body shape aren't attainable, a flawless human being is impossible. Even old mythologies have terribly flawed heroes and gods.
I disagree. The point is not to deconstruct heroes in general, more to see how they react to new situations and contexts. I don't mind Luke in the new Star Wars movies (haven't seen the new Indy movie, not that interested). I'm not sure if youy're aware of just how flawed Harry was in the original books, the issue is not that The Cursed Child tried to "deconstruct" him, it's that the writers were trying to force specific drama out of characters that weren't really written for it in the first place.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Can you give an example of what you mean?
I think the trope of deconstruction is long past its due date. It's boring and repetitive at this point, nobody can get excited about watching their heroes get torn down again and again.
Sure it's realistic but I don't consume fiction, whether movies or books, for doses of hard reality.
19:25 Maybe I misread the books entirely, but why does adult Harry have the scar here? I thought he lost it when the horcrux part of him died, or maybe that was just how things seemed in the Limbo state.
Nope, the scar stays for life. It's one of the last lines in the Deathly Hallows book. "The scar had not pained him for 19 years. All was well."
I think he still has the scar, but it's just a normal scar now not a curse one.
I would definitely be interested in a part 2. I absolutely detest this play and it I think single-handedly attempted to dig the series’ grave. I love this franchise and hope that, someday, Rowling comes to her senses and says this play is NOT canon
Thanks man. A few people have said it so I'll probably go with a part 2. I have one video to do next though before I do part 2 of this.
A collaborative work, a solo book, and a time travel-heavy story just wasn't the right move, it seems. I definitely would've enjoyed seeing an original Ilvermorny story--perhaps a fixed version of Iseult's foundation of the school (ie using animals instead of mythical creatures, having her husband be Native American for making sure the school isn't just European influenced, making it a story of collaboration rather than colonization, etc.)
Completely agreed. I think either a totally different time setting, or a different geographic setting, would have been much better. Unfortunately authors always do the opposite with their sequels, maybe because they don't have confidence in a new original setting without their established characters.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I also feel like it's pressure; people just want to make money off of a familiar property, and I wouldn't be shocked if her publisher told her that doing something directly related to HP would be more financially safe. And while Ilvermorny is the most explored school outside of Hogwarts (even if it's too small, considering the USA population alone is 5 times the size of the UK's and Ilvermorny for some reason represents ALL OF NORTH AMERICA), Rowling would have to build a new environment and do a lot of research on NA and modern American cultures. Doing a different school was probably seen as too much work for diminishing returns--plus if it was school-centric, people would want sequels to it. I wish the new HP show that's being developed was also an original Ilvermorny story, but I know the money lies with Harry Potter.
@@OpticalSorcerer Question: Is really Ilvermony the only school in North America and if it is, is it really that dramatically bad? I hear this sentiment a lot ("Harry Potter has so bad worldbuilding they only have one school per continent"), but not only do they constantly mention in the books that Hogwarts is but one of many schools in Britain, indicating that the same thing goes for other places, wizards are pretty rare overall so do they really need that many schools in the first place?
@@yggdrasil2 Thanks for asking! I've never heard of Hogwarts being one of many schools in Britain. It'd make more sense though, given that Britain's population is over 66 million and it's hard to believe that the magic population aged 11-17 at Hogwarts is only 1,000. Ilvermorny is the only school in North America mentioned among the others throughout the world, but to answer your question: YES, Ilvermorny being the only school in the continent would be bad. North America includes the USA, Canada, and Mexico, all of which have unique cultures and traditions (ie languages and social norms), and these countries are MUCH larger than the UK in terms of population and land mass, meaning Ilvermorny would have to be massive and would not have a cohesive and consistent learning style. For example, Mexico, Caribbean countries, and US territories mainly speak Spanish and French, while English is the dominant language spoken in modern Canada and the continental USA. Castelobruxo has a similar issue being the only school in South America: it was founded by Native Americans, but has a Portuguese name, being in Brazil--despite the fact that in modern times, most SA countries speak Spanish, so having it placed in Brazil, a Portuguese-speaking nation, wasn't the best idea (I'm assuming Rowling chose it based on land mass, but Colombia would've been better due many saying it has the easiest dialect of Spanish to understand and is the 4th largest country in South America).
And as far as I know, Rowling doesn't mention the rarity of wizards/witches outside the UK, but she did say that very few purebloods came to America--though this kinda contradicts her statement that blood purity was more important than race, which couldn't be true if most of America's European wizarding population was half-bloods or No-Maj-borns, as they'd be exposed to No-Maj racism. And since the population outside of the UK is never explored, we have no idea how big the wizarding communities are, potentially making the potential Ilvermorny school size much bigger.
@@OpticalSorcerer I see, thanks! But yes, there are mentions of more British schools even if they don't go into that much detail. In book 1 Hagrid says that Hogwarts is the finest magic school in the country, when Hogwarts briefly becomes mandatory by law in book 7, Lupin mentions the other schools (as well as the home-schooling being an option). So I think it's implied that the same thing goes for other countries.
It's kinda funny how fantasy series like Dune, LOTR, ASOIAF and Harry Potter manage to be super-popular but still have all of these misconceptions.
Your first point: it's a little disingenuous.
I've read and recently seen the play performed. Harry isn't a cruel father who would just say that he doesn't want his son. There's a lot of build up of him failing to connect with Albus and then him throwing that out in the moment - which we've seen Harry do when he gets angry or annoyed, where he just blurts out a random counter point - isn't random. You're forgetting that Albus also told Harry that he wishes he wasn't his father. But immediately after Harry says he doesn't mean it and wishes to apologise. And immediately before that he attempts to connect with Albus by giving him the most important personal item he has - his blanket that Albus ends up ruining with no concern for his father.
In many series' that extend the characters into parenthood they often decide to portray that element of parenthood as a flaw of their character as they struggle to adapt to it - which is realistic. The Harry in cursed child is fundamentally different than the Harry when he was 11 or 18. This is 19 years later. If he wasn't a little different or having to overcome something in the story you would be calling him a boring and stagnant character who services nothing.
The scene with McGonagall is definitely uncharacteristic and I agree. I do remember how crazy that was when I watched it because it did make Harry look like a complete dick. But McGonagall gets her own get back near the end when she shouts at Hermione, Harry and Draco for being morons and they just have to take it.
Dumbledore point is valid.
Ron comedic relief point is valid.
Although the way Ron stays with Hermione in the Voldermort world and they both die to the dementors is a little bit of his heroism - although even that is a little bit in comedic relief.
The Voldermort having a daughter bit is honestly really shit and dumb ngl.
Although, I felt they could have made it work some way: like if instead of Voldermort having sex he instead raped a witch just to show the generational trauma of his parents. I remember some fan theory about how Voldermort had violated Narcissa Malfoy at some point or something which could then be an interesting idea that plays on to the storyline of Scorpius being the son of Voldermort or whatever. Making Delphi like the half sister of Malfoy.
But this is me actually trying to make the entire thing work. In general it's a stupid idea that didn't need to happen.
The plot holes are definitely valid
Hey man. Re: Harry, I see where you're coming from, but I still think it's out of character for Harry to say this to Albus. You're right Albus did say it first, but he's something like 13 in the scene whereas Harry is probably 30 or 40. I can see him losing his temper with his son, but saying he doesn't want him is pretty wild.
But yeah overall I think you're right, the whole idea of the thing was flawed. I would have much preferred a completely different time or setting if they wanted to build on the Harry Potter world.
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I think if you haven't you should try and get a viewing of the play. The story on paper looks bad, but when they perform it, your suspension of disbelief allows the performance to take the centre stage and you end up sort of forgetting how dumb the story is. You definitely appreciate certain aspects more simply because it's such a high quality production that it makes up for it's transgressions with interesting and innovative set pieces that leave you wondering how they've done it.
Although, even despite watching it there are certain parts like the McGonagall scene and Ron's overall character and performance and Delphi's entire purpose and existence in general which makes little sense and they definitely do jump out at you even in the production.
@@commander1suv492 To be fair to them, the production quality and special effects from the clips I've seen do look really great. The plot things I'd probably still not be too happy about though, it's the kind of thing if I got it as a present I'd go to watch it, but I wouldn't pay myself.
Lmao @@commander1suv492
I think your pointes are well made. I would just add that it would be preposterous to think that Harry - indeed the Trio - would have emerged from that whole experience psychologically unscathed despite the saccharin epilogue.
Was the all of the Dursleys just forgotten? Not only is his character defined by his love for others. But shouldn't Harry know what it feels like to be talked down to and belittled like that? And maybe I don't know, think before he says something like that to his OWN SON? He couldn't be a bad dad because his situation with the Dursleys was horrible? He was basically given the book on how NOT to treat family! I guess that would be expecting the writers to have cared or even just paid a smidge of attention
Couldn't agree more, you said it perfectly. It's horrible to see the writers portray Harry the way they did after everything he's been through, it's actually insulting to his character.
If Voldemort thought he was not going to be immortal, he could have used the wizards version of invitro fertilization, but he still would be loth to share his secrets with her.
This, Delphine wouldn't have existed because love argument is irrational.
You don't need to experience the feeling of love to experience the desire to engage in sexual conduct, all it would have taken is him to become like that Bellatrix to offer herself and then her to convince him that keeping the child would have been beneficial to his army because of his power and her loyalty for that character to come into existence.
And the teaching her his special talents, also makes sense.
As if the only reason you're keeping her around is because she's a weapon you can use you don't want your weapon to be weak.
I call it "The Cursed Play" or "The Play we do not Name", and refused from the beginning to consider it anything remotely like canon to Harry Potter. It's the opposite.
I managed to avoid it for so long, but I had to read it to make this video.
i read the 7 books except this one. This feels like bad fanfiction
Too true. I've read some decent fanfic in the past as well by authors with a lot more care for the series.
I was so so excited to read a continuation of Harry Potter. I purchased thhis screenplay from Walmart for around $19….i read it and aside from a super small amount of content I enjoyed I was thourougjly disappointed. I wanted to return the book thats how much disdain I held for it, Out of sheer convenience of location I tried returning it at a target, and it worked!
The price of the book was around $25…
Soooo….even though it’s not nearly what it should have been,… technically I made a small profit from reading the cursed child 😂
…as I should have
Haha, the least it could do for you was turn a profit so glad you got it! But yeah I can't imagine the disappointment of getting it on release.
I went to a midnight release party for the Cursed Child with a college friend, and we stayed up late reading it in horror, laughing nervously, not sure if this was a joke or a fake or if we were meant to take it seriously. I was just like "I've read better fanfics than this..." I'm pretty sure I read plenty of fanfics back in the day where Voldemort had a daughter with Bellatrix or some other similar premise and they were just as cringe as this was... and this is supposed to be canon. It's just trash.
Haha man I can't imagine the disappointment you and your friend must have felt. I've sadly been very cautious of everything Harry Potter related since the main series finished.
I would love to get a part two of this❤
Thank you! I have a different video coming out this week, but then after that I'll get working on part 2 straight away!
McGonagall was like an old wise aunt to Harry. She clearly cared for him and he saw her as a guardian because he asked if she could sign his permission form for Hogsmead.
Yeah it was sad to see Harry treating her so poorly.
If book 7 harry were in the room when old him talked to Mcgonagall loke that hed have beat his own ass
Hahah I agree 100%.
Definitely
Great analysis will definitely subscribe
Thanks much appreciated!
This was really good. But honestly, too short.
I would love to watch you rant about this for an hour or more. I'm sure there are so many more things to critisize about Cursed Child.
Thank you! Haha I could have gone longer to be honest but I wasn't sure if people would want such a long video. I'll probably do a part 2 of this to cover some of the characters I missed here, but maybe I can think about doing longer videos in the future.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt "I wasn't sure people would want such a long video."
Dude, there are 3-4 hour-long video essays out there that have hundreds of thousands of views. People clearly want to watch long videos.
@@TheEmeraldWeirdo Yeah true. I feel like I need to build up to such a long video though, but I'll work on it.
Please make a part two!
Glad you enjoyed the video! If you'd like it I'll definitely aim to make it.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Glad to hear it! 😀
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2ptI would like you to make it
I'm doing a rewrite of Harry Potter (for fun not to write a better book than the og, I just want to add more content to the story and make it more adult, but removing the animal abuse, because that's what I'd like to read alongside the books) and I've got so many plans for my cursed child rewrite already, just from analyzing the HP characters and tweaking them to how I prefer writing their archetypes.
I haven't read the cursed child, but even just the epilogue of the original was bad enough for me not to want to read it (like why is Harry a wizard cop and why didn't the system change that brought up Voldy to be who he was? I just hate the ending in general, it could've been longer, could've explored things more, could've been better and I know I won't be able to write something better, just something I'd prefer).
I've also changed up the pairings, including Luna being in a queerplatonic relationship with Neville, or Harry and Draco dating, just to quell my inner shipper, who basically saw this as canon for years before watching the last movie. I also still need to read all of the books, I've only fully read books 1&3 and partially read the last book (mainly just the last chapter and epilogue).
Edit: Btw, I'm rewriting the story with more of a basis in Celtic mythology and I think I'll do a POV from both Harry and Draco, since it's a fanfic and I prefer my fanfics to be much longer than regular books, but with short chapters. But I'm still only in the planning phase, collecting trigger warnings and things I need sensitivity readers for, because I know I make a ton of mistakes at all times.
Yeah I have to say, even though I really love the original series, I'm not a fan of the final epilogue chapter. But since it was just a single chapter I didn't dwell on it too much and kind of put it out of my head.
Getting an angle from Celtic mythology sounds really interesting. I do love a good fanfic so I hope you complete your story and maybe you can send it my way.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Yeah, though this is gonna take a while because I first need to read the books and annotate them thoroughly and then plan out everything I want to include (including Neville getting more screentime). So I'm not sure if I'll remember to comment on your channel once I've started uploading it (which will be after I finish rewriting the first book).
Who's that faint background music by? It's nice.
Hey so I've actually played around with game dev before and this song is part of a soundtrack pack I bought a while ago. If you'd like me to, I can try and check who the author of this particular one is?
Mmm I like it too
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt that would be awesome thank you, good luck if you can't find it that's alright but if you do yeah I really dig it.
@@jasonflynn5481 gotta love that deep spiritual vibe that transcends reality itself, sinking into that subconscious primal space is definitely divine if I had to describe it.
@@DefileOdds Hey man. I had a look and annoyingly the pack has been discontinued! All I can tell you is the track is named "Flow (Loopable)"
Hermione not becoming Minister for Magic just because she’s not with Ron is the most insulting thing other than Harry being forced to say to his child that sometimes he wishes he wasn’t his son.
Hermione didn’t need Ron romantically for the MAJORITY of the series. She was always the most driven and determined character who always strived for excellence. And you’re trying to tell me that that Hermione Granger, the backbone of Team Harry, doesn’t do anything with her life because she’s not married to Ron?
That is an absolute betrayal of Hermione’s character. It’s literally spitting in her face.
I couldn't agree more! Funnily enough I have a part 2 for this coming out later this week where I talk about exactly this with Hermione. It's insulting to her character.
Bravo.
I made it a point not to read Cursed Child, so I read the plot summary on Wikipedia instead.
And I found my worst fears indeed realized.
It just doesn't get the characters.
I've argued with ppl how it's very very uncharacteristic and improbable that Voldemort would have a child - with anybody, including Bellatrix.
I think it's the movie fans rather than the book fans who think there's such a possibility, given the portrayal of both characters in the movies.
But Voldemort in the books would never stoop so low.
Thought far too highly of himself and was completely uninterested in such things.
Thanks! You're completely right, tbh I'd heard it wasn't good so I avoided reading it for the longest time.
2:57 “that’s the worse this you could ever say to your kid.”
I did read the unfinished fanfiction harry potter and nightmares of future past that did different timelines from what we can read way better and harry there isnt broken to this point at all he is extremely even frightingly more emotional and all his bad decisions are steming from that I 100% advise to read it just if you are yonger than 15-18 rather wait its very drastic
It sounds intriguing but did you say its unfinished? I'm always careful reading unfinished fanfics because a lot of them tend to end up abandoned.
I already wasn’t enjoying it, it read like a fanfic. A bad one. But I kept plugging along, thinking that maybe if it was written as a novel it might have worked, maybe seeing it as the play would be better.
Then the moment it was revealed that Voldemort had a daughter, I closed the book and never opened it again.
For the reasons that you mentioned, the level of intimacy needed to have a child would make his skin crawl. And even if it was artificial insemination, why would he need an heir? Because as far as he knew he was immortal.
And as much as it was clear that Bellatrix desires it, she could never have forced Voldemort. And if she used a love potion? If it even worked on him, the second he came out of it, he would definitely have killed her and the daughter for that.
Not to mention that he would never want to pass on the blood of his worthless muggle father.
Completely in agreement with you, and great point about his father. I didn't think of that but you're right, Dumbledore even makes a point to explain to Harry how Voldemort obliterated his bloodline so he'd be the only one left, which would appeal to him, he wanted to think of himself as "special". Another failing of the play.
How would you feel if they made a film adaptation of it
Pretty disappointed. I really hope they don't, I'd rather see an original story to be honest.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I mean, they have done that with fantastic beasts and they’ve also adapted those back into books
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt well, people can have their own opinions that we can’t disrespect or make fun of even if we want to. Funeral they can make changes in the subtlest ways.
Ah yeah I haven't seen the Fantastic Beasts movies to be honest, I know the plot roughly though. Yeah people are welcome to enjoy what they like for sure.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I know.
If someone who rather reads the books, I recommend reading the books if you’re someone who prefers watching the film adaptations, I recommend the live action
16:14 What's even the point of the girl not asking at that point?
Completely agree
Thanks!
Okay so, when it comes to fan-made works which is what this is, unless the creation is a trauma release item, no author should be allowed to stop someone from creating fan works or even letting them get popular.
What they should do is defend their own Creation in the world's they create by saying that this isn't Canon to their universe it's a completely different universe.
Under no circumstance should copyright protection be used to stifle freedom of expression
I'm a big fan of fanfiction, I've read quite a few, but when you're writing an official sequel that's meant to be treated as canon I think you really have to respect the original material.
I get this is a good video, but i don't understnad the whole "Finally a channel thay doesnt crap talk HP." Do any of you people actually watch harry potter content? Criticizing something is different than hating on it
I agree that the plot doesn’t make sense, however, because in terms of characters, one would be deluded to think we would be the same in our 30s or 40s as we were in our teens. We change as we age, and much more when we have children.
To expect Harry to be fundamentally the same after X number of years is not realistic.
But Harry took a 180°
@@kesemstudio well, he does love his son, and he has a terrible relationship with him. He took the path he though would work. And of course, later regretted it as I recall him telling off Dumbledore for his horrible guidance. If anything, to me it looked very human, because Harry is an adult, he has his own family now, and he is still processing his traumatic and abusive childhood... hence his dreams. He became what he hated for a "greater good", but later came to his senses... I don't know... seems very human to me.
To be honest, I think the main problem is we don't really see a Harry who has logically progressed from his younger self, we get a Harry that fundamentally contradicts the character's essential nature.
It would have been better if there was a Delphi but she not evil like her father but kind. She meets Albus and Scorpio then they go back in time to actually try to defeat voldemort before he can kill so many and they screwed up and harry, ron, and hermione, and ginny had to go back and fix the mistake made by the children.
I think it was a mistake to introduce time travel at all, it's never really done well. It'd have been better to go with something completely different, and maybe not even about Harry's kids.
760. Points. Julie. 😊🎉❤gryffindor. Hogwarts house 🏡
The James Potter published book series by Norman Lippert is a much better story for this point in time and characters. And that has an American wizard with a Yeti core wand....
I had no idea this series was a thing, I looked it up and it seems like it's official semi-fanfic? Very interesting idea! Do you recommend it?
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I haven't gotten far into it, but it's amusing. Would recommend.
To me the plot eorks and eould have been another great jk rowling novel but jack thorn had to ruin it. I get changes for thecplay had to happen but still. I can also understand why jo didnt want this plot to ever be written . She aculy managed to move away from harry potter and nowits a side project for her that she cheridhes why she lets other people write in it .
And Albus and scorpis as a focus was a good idea that again jo would have been better suitet to explore in a book series . Infact imagine lets say 5 books building up the timeturner mistery . To me it makes sense that the corruption would never fully go away as ther ar always bad people. Hetmionie made sense too with ther knewledge and its very humen of her to fail to resist the temptation. The books even show this that only harry is strong enough learned enough.
He is the voice of reason wich works too. Only Ron got ruind a bit even if we can argue its guided by grief fror Fred.
Overall a cool idea terrible executet and therfor im good eith the plot summery .
all of the time turners were destroyed in the order of the phoenix, jk specifically had them written out of the story because they caused too many plot holes :/. the main plot makes no sense, has the biggest amount of plot convenience i've seen so far, and misunderstands time turners. time turners can't go back decades, only a few hours.
nothing about this story makes sense, cope
There is at least one thing that I really liked about it: the situation of Draco, his wife, son and his wife’s situation
I have to say I wasn't a fan of this. It felt really odd and out of place that Draco was constantly dealing with rumours that Scorpius was Voldemort's son. Why would anyone think this? The ages don't even match up.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I don’t remember that part 😅 I meant their relation and his wife’s curse
@@liaartist3671 Ah right haha gotcha - yeah that bit was good.
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Tip of the iceberg! There’s so much wrong that you’ve barely started. For me 1 glaring thing is there are/were 4 Hogwarts houses, yet there is almost an obsession between family members going into the same house. Again there is book disrespect. When Voldemort reaches Hogwarts he says something like “we can get rid of the Sorting Hat, there will be no more Houses at Hogwarts, only that of my noble ancestor, Salazar Slytherin”. Plus the over importance by the adult characters on Gryffindor & Slyherin. Again referencing the series Hermione is asked by Terry Boot in Dumbledores Army “With brains like yours why aren’t you in Ravenclaw”? In Cursed Child, Ron tells Rose “thank God you inhererited your mothers brains Rosie, make sure you beat him (Scorpius) in every test” Rose could have been in Ravenclaw & one of the others in Hufflepuff.
All good points - to be honest to cover absolutely everything the video would have ended up an hour long so I tried to focus on the major things I saw. I'm tempted to make a part 2 though.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt yes there’s a lot to discuss, and with my point about the Houses, going against tradition can provide redemption. Even though Regulus was sorted into Slytherin & Sirius into Gryffindor, they both contributed to Voldemort’s demise by not rigidly following family history. With Draco Malfoy, he accepted being sorted into Slytherin as family tradition, but when push came to shove didn’t have the cold-blooded prejudices of his father, and preferred a happy marriage rather than subject his son to the same bullying & disappoval from Lucius. We never found out why he didn’t give Harry up at Malfoy Manor. It could have been as Phineas Nigellus said in Order of the Phoenix “We Slytherins are brave yes, but not stupid. Given the choice; we will always save our own skins first”. A lot more to make another video, please 😊
@@luisecawthorne1025 Great observations, I didn't think about it in that depth with the houses. I have 1 different video likely coming out next, then after that video I'll go back and do a part 2 for this.
I always thought that there wasn't enough human left in Voldemort to have children or "tools" to make them
I thought the exact same. I seriously doubt Voldemort could procreate with his deformed body.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt it would have been better if the real twist was that she wasn't Voldemort's daughter. That she was either some delusional chick or the lestrange was lying to her
@@EN-mh4og Bellatrix lying to her makes so much more sense! I can completely see that happening.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I think you mean her husband. She is dead at this point
Woah
Curse child contradicts the ending of the series. Harrys scar should not be able to hurt at all
Yeah I mentioned it at the end of the video. One mistake amongst so many, did the writers even read the main series properly?
@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt I bet they didn't, I've read harry potter fanfiction that's better than curse child 😂 as everyone is so out of character
Lore of Everything Wrong With Harry Potter & The Cursed Child - Play vs Books momentum 100
Not only did she allow this to be made, but she's tweeted that this should be thought of as canon. I'm fairly sure it was a Tweet. She wants us to think this play is canon with the books. That statement made her lose all credibility and trustworthiness in my eyes when it comes to works based on Harry Potter. Because obviously she's lost touch with and any respect for her own creation.
I think your final sentence hits the nail on the head. JKR has lost touch with her own series and characters, which is sad to see.
Mirror of Er is Ed not eh-ris-ed
Harry basically becomes like Vernon
Yeah it's sad to see.
The way I see it Voldemort is still a man with working anatomy....at the end of the day he's gonna wanna knock something down😂.
Haha, I don't know man Voldemort's body is pretty messed up.
12:01, the movie version of Ron is still way better than this version of Ron
You're right, but it's sadly such a low bar that was set by the movies.
I’m sorry but I 100% think cursed child portrays a REALISTIC version of Harry, flaws and progression.
Harry grew up emotionally abused and then immediately becomes a celebrity, a hero, and a wizard where he is famed and the center of attention.
Of course he wants his kids to walk the path he did. To go to hogwarts, make friends, be gryffindors, okay quidditch and of course he would be unable to connect with a son who is nothing like him.
This feels like a natural progression of Harry’s character based on his backstory and personality.
We'll have to agree to disagree to be honest, because I really can't see Harry ending up how he did in the Cursed Child. The only thing I thought was potentially interesting was Albus feeling overwhelmed by Harry's legacy and struggling to live up to it. It was horribly handled, but maybe it could have been done well if written differently.
Sounds to me like the Cursed Child is one of the greatest works of parody and comedy ever written.
Lol a masterpiece in that sense.
Harry definitely needs help dealing with his trauma issues and whatever
If the other twin lived they would of made them be in an incestous relationship
on this video i just remembered how missunderstood the character of ron is. he is more than just a comedic releef. he can be smart and stupidly brave. the movies really screw his character over and in turn this atempt of a "sequel" to the books
It makes me legit sad how badly Ron is treated in everything other than the main series.
This crap wasn't written by JK Rowling was it?
Harry hating his son for "not being talented in school" is quite stupid because Harry himself wasn't either.
Most of his unique abilities, including talking to snakes comes down from the Voldemort side that lived in him. And his great potion skill came from Snape's notes in the textbook.
Harry wasn't knowledgable like Hermione during first years either.
His only talent is being a Seeker in Quidditch which he inherited from James Potter, his dad.
Besides that, Harry was just an average student whose outstanding qualities were his bravery, righteousness and care for others (also got a lot of luck and plot armor as well)
Some of the actions Harry were doing, besides being illegal and cruel, could easily land him an Avada Kedavra on the back when he's not looking or a poisoned drink
If that's how he treated close people who cared for him and actually knew him, how would he treat his fellow colleagues and strangers?
People who would have no reason to hold back if they're pissed and wouldn't hesitate to assassinate him or his family members
All great points, couldn't agree more. Apparently JKR wrote the original story and then it was adapted by somebody else to be a play. I actually can't wrap my head around why she'd write it like this. JKR has been an absolute menace when it comes to Harry Potter outside of the core books.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt Either someone used a Confundus charm on JKR during the writing or the adapter just change how characters behave but still kept their names and most key events
Though I wouldn't be surprised if the publishers saw the rising fame of the movies and asked JKR to continue expanding on HP franchise when she didn't want to and just went with the dumbest plots imaginable out of spite so they wouldn't bother her again
@@lazycat836 Haha. I'd like to believe it was a Confundus charm, so I don't have to think about her tanking her own series.
I call this mess "Harry Potter and the non Canon fanfic"
I just can't understand why JK Rowling would be happy giving this story the official nod.
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt no clue I swear she went crazy after the money came in...
Why didn’t Rowling just right a better story herself
No.1 Its Harry Potter related
The only thing cursed here are the eyes for having read this poor excuse of a sequel and unnecessary waste of usable paper
Haha love this.
Yaaaaaaayyy…..
The only good Harry Potter media released after the original books and movies is Hogwarts Legacy, and JK Rowling had nothing to do with that. She no longer seems to have any passion, interest, or even respect for the franchise that made her famous, and her ideological beliefs have changed so much that she no longer seems to even understand the characters she created. I wish she'd just sell off the rights to someone else who actually still cares about it.
Yeah she unfortunately seems embarrassed or maybe just disconnected from the original series she created. She'd never sell the rights, but I wonder if she'd license writers who actually care about the series and the characters, as opposed to whatever the cursed child was.
The Cursed Child is garbage it twisted the characters more than the movies did and used what happened in the movies instead of the books to me it is not Canon and should not even have the association with the Harry Potter name.
The movies had already set a low bar but Cursed Child was somehow even worse.
The fact that this story exists and JK Rowling says that it's canon (even when there's evidence that she didn't write the whole thing) really makes me lose faith and credibility in JK Rowling as an author and makes not want to be invested in the wizarding world anymore. JK Rowling ruined her own franchise and audience with this one edition. It's that bad! Fantastic Beasts didn't do anything to save the franchise and is quite a forgettable prequel series. No one is going to care about the reboot series when it comes out. The only thing that exists to me are the movies and that's it. At least that's what I'm used to seeing from this franchise.
Yeah it's sad to see that JKR is actually the biggest threat to the Harry Potter franchise lol. I feel like she's maybe embarrassed by what she wrote before? Or something weird is going on...
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt yeah, I'm not even sure if she really did mean those words or it was all a big setup and the fan base is overreacting. Just now, the Curse Child sucked and I question the future of her career.
Cursed Child is a joke. Literal joke.
Couldn't agree more.
That’s just called lazy work by the writers
Stop stop. You’re saying it wrong it’s eer-eh-said. Not er-ice-d.
I was sad I never saw this now I’m glad I didn’t 😂
Haha consider yourself lucky I reckon!
@@MediaRetrospective-sb2pt haha fr tho
Wow, "The Cursed Child" really is Trash. Wtf..?
Yeah I'd advise you to stay as far away from it as possible lol.
It was the worst thing I have ever seen in my whole life
I'm with you lol
The Cursed Child was so bad it made me leave the fandom!
I'd love to see some new great additions to Harry Potter but sadly I've been fairly disappointed with all the additions to the series.
You're a lizard, Garry
Somebody make this fanfic please.