Did we get it wrong with Pool of Bethesda?
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- Опубліковано 12 бер 2022
- Our Bible consultants weren't on the same page on this scene. In this Bible roundtable excerpt, we discuss a verse that shouldn't be in the Bible (yes, you're reading that right) and whether or not our portrayal of the Pool of Bethesda was accurate.
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God used this scene to show me something extremely important. I’ve struggled with mental illness for a long time but I always have tried to fix it myself… I was struggling and ready to give up. I had a plan to go to a psychologist and load up on as much medication as possible because I was just done living like that. The place I was going to go to was called Pool of Bethesda… that was the name of the psychologist’s practice. (But they weren’t a Christian practice or anything)
I felt like Jesus was speaking directly to me in this scene when He says “you don’t need this pool. You only need Me.” I read the part of Scripture this scene was based on and realized it was called the Pool of Bethesda. It was as clear as day. I never went through with my plan. Canceled my appointment. Gave it to Jesus, and He took away the thing that was making me want to die. Freed me completely... I can breathe now… I cannot put into words what that feeling is like, to this day, I still feel that freedom all the time. It was something I struggled with for 12 years… every day… made me extremely suicidal… I’m free now. I’m completely free. Like I can walk, I’m not paralyzed anymore.
Thank you Jesus… so much… And thank you, everyone at The Chosen. ❤️ I know He is working through you.
Praise the Lord! So happy for you!
Wow!! That is a powerful testimony!! Thank you for sharing this with me! I am taking it very much to heart.May God bless you!
I have a friend who was assaulted and it destroyed her for many years. I took her to Church and continued to pray for her for years. She tried to take her life several times but now doesn't have that desire. I told her she was a victim of a crime and anything going forward she was not responsible, but you must heal. God be with you and thank you for spreading the word. Many people need to hear your healing. God bless you always.
"The Lord bless you, and keep you;
The Lord cause His face to shine on you,
And be gracious to you;
The Lord lift up His face to you,
And give you peace."
Praise God, Sweet Angel! Your testimony is exactly what God will show you how to use when you are witnessing to someone else who struggles as you did. You made me smile with tears, and you made my day.
God bless you!
I have to be honest, I’ve tried to watch the Chosen critically, but there just hasn’t been a scene that makes me raise my eyebrows. Anytime that my eyebrows could raise, I just assume that the motive was that this could have happened, but you’re not saying that this for sure did happen (Jesus’s jokes, sermon prep, etc). Maybe I don’t think critically enough but you guys have done such a great great job maintaining the integrity of scriptures. Y’all are doing such a great job. I love how you receive and respond to haters.
Brandon...these movies have helped many people to become Christians some have recieved healing so they have brought Jesus to us in a way that is so powerfully relatable and that's the way Jesus would want it ( in my humble opinion ) so if someone wants to nit pic they are losing the whole wonderful powerful reason for these films .
For me I feel like the way Jesus is portrayed is nice and fatherly, but some mystery is missing because Jesus himself I consider a mysterious man who does not let much known about him. I did not think of him as provocating others so agressively except for the time he threw out merchants from the temple and got mad at them. I still hope we get Jesus's transfiguration in season 4 cuz it was a very important part in the bible.
I like how they made Jesus seem human along with all the disciples. They all have their own personalities.
God is merciful. He always forgives. Never be ashamed to take your failures to him. He is for you, not against you! God is with you in the storm. He knows your troubles, he hears you! He is for you, on your side, always! It may feel silent at times, but he’s holding you close! May the Lord return soon! We are drawing closer. He is coming! Believe and trust in the Lord, you will be saved. Period. May the Lord bless you all! Hang in there family. Stay strong. It is not easy following the Lord. We are scoffed at. We give up our earthly dreams, our fleshly desires. What the enemy offers is short lived, but heaven is forever! Life may seem or be unfair, but God is with you! Always remember that. Things may get better or worse for you, but a kingdom awaits you! Finish the race! Repent daily and carry your cross. This world is fading fast. Your troubles are temporary! New channel here, I’d appreciate any kind of support. Don’t give up! God loves you so much! So do I. The Lord bless you!
NEVER EVER GIVE UP 💪🏾💪💪🏿💪🏻
Amen 🙏
Amen 🙌🏾 🙏🏾
God Bless you
✝️❤️🔥🙏🏽
Thanks for the breakdown. The point of this story is that Not an Angel but Jesus-Yeshua-Diety himself came and brought healing and wholeness to that disabled man. 🙌❤️ Thank you ABBA that you continue to bring healing and wholeness still today to many!
Amen 🙏
Amen!🙏
Great insight! It actually depends on what part of the story you want to focus on. The story is divided in two.
1. Jesus healing the man
2. People being healed by the pool.
The second part can be used to explain spiritualism. Because healing can come from the devil.
People only were at the pool to be healed by it. They did not trust God, they trusted the pool.
Jesus came that day to the pool, to heal the man to show him that the power lies in Jesus and not the pool.
I found the scene perfect. There were so many diversities of thought in those days…I saw the Pharisees presence there as overseeing the pagan beliefs in hope to bring them to a more spiritual side….made sense to me…even today there are people who visit places for possible healing….it’s all about “hope”…. I loved when Jesus said there is nothing here for you….you only need me….great message 🥰
The bible says angel.came that all it is what ever it says in bible u take it for what it says
@@bessieschaedel3890 The name of the pool, “Bethesda,” is Aramaic. It means “House of Mercy.” John tells us that “a great number of disabled people used to lie [there]-the blind, the lame, the paralyzed” (John 5:3). The covered colonnades would have provided shade for the disabled who gathered there, but there was another reason for the popularity of the Pool of Bethesda. Legend had it that an angel would come down into the pool and “stir up the water.” The first person into the pool after the stirring of the water “was made well from whatever disease with which he was afflicted” (John 5:4, NAS). The Bible does not teach that this actually happened-John 5:4 is not included in most modern translations because it is unlikely to be original to the text-rather, the superstitious belief probably arose because of the pool’s association with the nearby temple. It says “legend” and “Bible does not teach that this actually happened” 😃
@@maryloustone1594 that is totally false . Additionally a complete dissertation of this passage would take pages. First, it has been proven as late as 1987 that this place existed. And the dead sea scrolls mention Bethesda. It is written in John, to imply it is not actually scripture is heretical. The Bible does not say "and legend would have it, or superstitious, etc etc." Again, how would anyone conclude that? It also says that " an angel of the lord stirred the pool" to give any credit to a spirit other than one of the lord is the definition of blasphemy. How anyone could suggest that pharisees were hanging out in a pagan temple in hopes to bring someone to faith, is again absolutely ridiculous and totally unsupported by scripture in any text, anywhere. The scene leaves out the most important part, where Jesus tells him to stop sinning. Liking the episode, or show is one thing, twisting scriptures and trying to support them with half truths is forbidden, according to God. ( Bethesda has several meanings in Hebrew and Aramaic... grace, kindness, shame, disgrace, mercy just to name a few. It would take hours to unpack that )
@@926paaja- Hi there. A gentle correction-The Chosen writers did get it scripturally accurate.
John 5:8
Then Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.”
Jesus didn’t use the words to stop sinning here.
Mary
Good comment. I don't think people would keep on coming, if nothing ever happened.
This episode, was and is my absolute favorite question Jesus asks of EVERYONE....do we "want" to be well (healed)? A decision we all face every day! You did a marvelous job in this!!
Respectfully, if you're being asked if you want healing every single day, then you're not being healed. Jesus didn't continue to visit this man every day to re-heal him daily--he healed him and then he went on his way praising God.
@@Ruiluth that is a very good point! Thank you for clarifying - i just think of a wake up mindset - do we want to act as if we're well today 😇
@@JackieSuz917 that's a great way to put it! Glad we agree :)
@@Ruiluth thank you - we just studied this in Bible study @ church tonight - it is by far my favorite question our Lord asks (one anyway He was brilliant on every Word He speaks) 😇
@@JackieSuz917 well He invented the idea of being brilliant so makes sense ;)
This is one of the most interesting discussions so far. Really fascinating to hear the history behind what or how the pool was actually used. These roundtables are going to be great! Can't wait for the complete sessions!
How about talking about merging the end times religions!?? Oh wait, that’s what this room of satanic heretic’s is doing subliminally 🤦♂️ mystic mormon producer Dallas only gave the sigil magic salute @ 25 seconds to show his allegiance to the freemasons but what do I know, my mother was only poisoned by jesuits or whatever knighthood in 2019 and I had 5 attempts on my life exposing the most dangerous sheriff (Patrick Sullivan who possibly faked his death) in Colorado who is still running children through centennial airport or their friends are🤷♀️
Don’t even get me started on how they are bashing the only version of the Bible and are promoting the vatican rewritten counterfeit versions…. 🤦♂️
Discernment isn’t the thing these days it’s called the great falling away. This show is nothing but enchantment, back masking and subliminal indoctrination that possibly leads to hell for for lukewarm reprobate’s
Seriously... do a little research... the dude in the hat says the jews wandered for 38 years??!!! The Bible say an angel of the lord stirred the pool... it's blasphemy to give credit to a pagan demon spirit ... come on. This is basic Bible.
@@926paaja These people don’t do research. Also discernment was taken out of their vatican rewritten counterfeit Bibles. They just believe what they are told sadly…
I’ve never been a religious person , but this show and these Roumdtables are have really opened my up to spirituality,
SPIRIT AND TRUTH
That is the beauty of studying the Bible. It adds and aligns with our lives so the more you study the more you see. It’s a very rich journey. As you see in this group it’s ok to study alone best when you can share your questions and insights with others on the same journey. Blessings.
Bravo for that scene, Dallas and Cast. Pagen or not, the beauty of how the paralytic was healed by Jesus, the visual of this now simply enriches what I was taught in Sunday School from my copy of the KJV Oxford Bible given to me in 1964 - the verse reads the same. The visual picture of what I always had in my own mind was brought to life by The Chosen group the night I viewed that episode. When Jesus walked into the area of the pool - I held my breath as I knew this was how I saw it in my mind all these years. Tears of joy - I feel like I was there witnessing it! Thank you for the portrayal of one of the biggest moments in the Bible for me. Outstanding!!
Love these Bible round table discussions. I always learn something. I did not get caught up in the pagan representation, to me it was all about the mercy 💖 and grace of God. How Jesus asks him " do you want to be healed?" Just cut to the quick of the paralytic's heart issue.
May the Lord Jesus Christ continue to use The Chosen to reveal Himself. Amen 🙏
I see the heart of God throughout each teaching. look forward to the 3ird season.
My mom loves this one; and I do too :) There is nothing wrong with the Bethesda pool part.
Love these roundtables. Shows how different faiths can come together in intelligent conversation. Thanks for this!
Yeah that’s called fulfilling prophecy and merging the end times religions 🤦♂️ unless you have a vatican rewritten counterfeit bible like they promote
Does anyone on this thread have any discernment!?? Or is everyone here just proof of the “great falling away” that was written would happen 😞
@Robert Puffer Robert these people are being enchanted (not to mention the spellcasting and back masking this show has) sadly they are so prideful most of them will be burning with their pride…. 😞
@Robert Puffer Takes one to know one to be deceived by these jesuits and freemasons until my mother was poisoned by them and I was such a lukewarm reprobate I didn’t even know what happened until I was almost killed 5 times exposing a sheriff for “transferring” children
@Robert Puffer can you elaborate please?
We are need prayers. Tought times happening now in Ukraine and here in U.S. My family also needs prayers due to getting evicted from home next week. 🙏🙏🙏
Oh my😭 My heart goes out to you and your family. I'm in the midst of struggle myself and have been where you are and GOD has brought me through the storm to live another day and still praise His Holy Name in the land of the living
I will be praying for you and your family starting today. In addition to the prayers I've already been offering for Ukraine and Russia.
May GOD embrace you and your family with His inexhaustible MERCY and may He show you how to keep anxiety from devouring your hearts even as we beseech Him to provide shelter for you as miraculously as He brought healing to the paralytic at the pool of Bethesda 🙏✝️❤️❤️❤️
@@MagdalenaIsaiah431 - Thank you for your prayers. Mine are with you also.🙏🙏🙏
Have watched this episode several times, but just recently Jesse's response to a statement by his brother Simon just clicked. Jesse said "Do I look saved to you?" The paralytic was broken and defeated in so many ways- physically, spiritually and mentally, all of which were clearly visible. As a Christian, is that the impression we give to those outside the faith?
Also when Simon walks through to clarify the misconception, it is Perfect. Simon is awaiting Messiah and until that time comes, there is no other means. Wow. Well done Chosen❤
I am doing my Licentiate thesis on the same passage. Your discussion helped me in my research. Thank you.
Ask the Holy Spirit for insight.
1 John 2:27
"But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him."
Dallas’ approach to the story of Jesus is so different than any version before. There is the human side emphasis, which so many have opined on. But Dallas is also extremely intelligent on his approach. Everything is symbolic and carefully researched. I loved Bishop Barron’s question, and found Dallas’ answer to be honest and thoughtful. If this is the extra content on the dvd set, then it makes it that much more valuable.
The difference is that there is filler for characterization. Which isn’t a bad thing.
This is why understanding of Bible translations is so important. The “older manuscripts are better” argument isn’t as simple as many claim. The reason there are older surviving manuscripts is because these copies weren’t used and worn out. They were taken out of circulation because they had errors. They were never accepted as correct or valid manuscripts for the majority of Christian history until Westcott and Hort just a couple hundred years ago decided to use them to create the critical text. They also didn’t believe in the divine preservation of Scripture, so I think we’ve made a mistake exalting their text over that of the Textus Receptus. As Sobel says, God doesn’t waste words or details, so I’m of the notion He allowed the angel verse to be preserved all this time. By accepting a controversial text whose manuscripts have been criticized by Christians for literally centuries, I think we risk questioning if God’s Word is actually true and complete. Of course, this is a debate topic that has been going on for years, and there’s plenty of opinions on both sides, but I think an example like the angel verse shows that it’s important to understand why you use the translation you use. (Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.)
God sees your heart to do The Chosen production with such excellence-to bring Honor and Glory to the one true God and all of His truth, so that the world can Come & See! Thank you for examining Biblical History and every jot and tittle! Thank you so much for publishing this incredible overview of the Pool of (“Bethesda,” which also means, The House of Mercy!)
This episode is so meaningful for the multitudes that live in countries surrounded by temples everywhere. Miracles of deliverance from their bondage awaits them! The Chosen's portrayal that all of us only need Jesus to set us free is awesome!
May the Holy Spirit come to dwell within every "temple" that is the human body with a human soul.
A "temple" created by God's own hands, knitting each man and woman within their mother's womb.
I loved when Simon Z said, "It is not in our God's nature to pit [people] against each other."
No it’s not but, where does Gods word say we are to come together believing different truths? There’s only one gospel.
"This was a hot spring whose reddish-tinged water would bubble up at irregular intervals because of gas accumulations in the rock caverns underneath the pool. This periodic disturbance of the warm waters was believed by many to be due to supernatural influences, and it was a popular belief that the first person who entered the water after such a disturbance would be healed of whatever infirmity he had."
Wow! I love this, it is so interesting, especially the 38 year thing. Appreciate you circumspection, it speaks volumes about the integrity of The Chosen. Whether there really was an angel that stirred the water, Yeshua didn't sweat it. He used it for HaShem's Glory by healing the man Himself.
I agree with the Rabbi, those holy men would never have been in a pagan place, also with the concept that by replenishing the living water, it would have stirred the waters. The relevance of this scene was that a man crippled 38 yrs was healed by Jesus and that there were witnesses to this miracle.
I honestly loved this episode. Just the way the music played and the whole storyline. Well done! Let’s not forget what Jesus has done for the man that gave up all hope. Thank you. Great series!
This was so touching to me when I saw this episode. Probably my favorite part what Jesus says to the disabled man!!! Wow.. that was like a revelation. The life, the truth was standing right in front of him 🙏
I think u nailed it! Yah is no respector of persons. Would He only heal just one? Everywhere Jesus went, He healed them all. (Except in His home town of course, due to their unbelief.)
Thank you for paying ahead so we could see this Wonderful series. I hope to finish them and watch again. God bless each of you
I really like these types of conversations. It helps us to understand better the history of the biblical cultures and how or why they are related to a scene. Thank you for sharing the round table talks with us. They truly are helpful in understanding why scripture was portrayed the way it was in the show.
The fact that you would go back and clarify and question your choices with the scholars is incredibly impressive. You could have just left it alone because it was done, but it shows your commitment to doing your best and be transparent. Another reason this is so much more than a Show❤️👌🙏
I think the pools are as scripture says and stirred by an angel. Angels do all kinds of things for God in the earth but what settles it for me is the fact that the Pharisees were there.
Like you show in season one, these people were so worried about APPEARING holy, they would never been seen in a pagan temple.
We need to be led by the Spirit of Truth, not the letters we see of the scholars who claim to understand the letters written. A scholar today goes to school for a few years, sometime over 8 years, a scholar back then was a Pharisee who studied the original text, from the time they were old enough to read until the time either their eyes grew dim or they died. And they still didn’t know they were literally talking face to face with God in the flesh and had Him executed.
They gave us a very important lesson in not leaning on one’s own understanding or the understanding of men. Be led by the Spirit. Meditate on the scriptures and He will explain them to you. Fasting helps immensely. I’ve noticed many people today don’t seem to be filled with the Spirit and don’t seem to even be called by God to teach, but they teach because they like to. The same type of people who teach healing isn’t for today and would recommend a psychiatrist if you told them God speaks to you.
Show is amazing and that’s probably the one part I thought was the inaccurate but the spirit of the show is true. The character of Jesus is exactly the same as the Jesus I see in scripture and have come to know in my own life. Can’t wait for season 3. And can we get a 4K HDR release? Would look amazing with this cinematography.
Good point about the pharisees! I wish they had someone in the video with this point of view to join the discussion. I always thought that it was an angel because that is what it said in the Bible.
Yes it was probably Raphael.
Yes, but we know that a few, literally a few verses in the Bible are disputed based on when and where they show up in manuscripts. I thank God that no foundational doctrine is in dispute. This is a minor issue. The main thing is a man was healed by Jesus after suffering through supserstition or selfishness of others for 38 years.
Jesus Saves, John 3:16 amen 🙏🏾 ✝️🙏🏾
Ouuu I'm not here yet in my journey of the chosen! 😍 I can't wait! 💚 You guys rock! All of you!!! Many blessings!
Just today, I was discussing the connection of John 5 with Deut 32 with a friend, and bringing up the importance of "38 years."
What an interesting discussion! I really appreciate all the thoughts and prayers that go into this project. ❤
Love your live roundtable and your show "The Chosen" truly inspired!
Love the round table videos. So much good information. I could Watch hours of y’all talking lol
The healing scene in that part was so touching.. A proof of Jesus' love for us!
This is what a know. God can use anything in HIS creation he chooses, even places that people used as “pagan“ for his purpose and glory.
Message 🙋🏻♀️
Thanks for this point about the oldest manuscripts. This, incidentally, is something the "KJV-ONLY" crowd keeps missing--the oldest manuscripts are most likely the more accurate ones.
Thank you! Somebody gets it!
I’m not KJV Only.. but the oldest surviving texts I don’t think need be more accurate…. If we actually had all text this would be logical.. but all that has survived is possibly they were older and survived because the texts in Use would have been worn out…. I’m thinking of the Alexandian Codeses and Sinaticus.. seem to be missing text regarding the identity of Christ…. The whole Westcott-Hort controversy…. Their translations were from these older surviving manuscripts…. But reading the letters these gentlemen wrote to each other they didn’t seem to actually be believers….
..in any case.. The Gospel is a Spiritual Message… beyond any text or translation 🙏🏼❤️
That being said.. I don’t disagree with this video
What people get wrong is relying on their own logic. I can write something that’s true, another comes and writes what I said but gets it wrong, a third gets it right. If later in time we only find the second and third writing, you can’t just assume the second is right because it’s older.
This is why scripture tells us over and over that the letter leads to death and these things are only understood by the Spirit of Truth.
It is for this reason that Christians are awesome about learning what was in the manuscripts. The Muslims don't do this; they say the Koran is perfect. Well what about the Korans likely behind walls in some mosques? They don't want to dig them out because they're scared it will say something different.
@@eskercurve ... Quran not as perfect as they'd like.
Love this breakdown. Thank you guys for sharing this Biblical study... really awesome and powerful as always. Great conversation, keep up the good work
I’m glad you depicted the pool as pagan and superstitious. This is why organized religion and church attendance has dropped so dramatically. People don’t understand the true loving nature of why Jesus walked among us. It’s my favorite episode of the entire series. So poignantly showing the nature of faith, and that God is indeed faithful. Jesus looking down at him saying “look at me”. Enough with the superstitious, punishing God that so many think is who we worship. He is mysterious, tender and merciful.
This is my favourite episode up until now. Just the start of the episode, telling this tragic story with no words... This episode moved me a great deal.
I loved that also. The story of two brothers with so much emotion shown while music played. A really strong story telling better than so many without full length flick's with words.
Me too! I have watched this episode several times and it still gets to me.
I like how Bishop Barron brought in the Catholic traditions to this. As a Catholic I myself sometimes ask "is this really something that should be kept?" Often I dig and find good answers but once in a while I must trust Jesus and just say "I trust in You and the Church you founded on Peter." Mistakes happen, ooooooh yes! But with a little grace we can correct them.
The Church is founded on The Rock. Jesus Christ is the Rock/ Solid Rock. Not Peter. Peter was a fallible human just like the rest of us. After being baptized in the Holy Spirit, he was emboldened to be a leader of the church.
When Jesus asked, "Who do you say that I am?" Peter said that Jesus is The Christ. Jesus goes on to affirm that God gave Peter that revelation.
It is upon that ROCK-OF-REVELATION given to Peter that the church would be built upon. ✝️
@@toniamcdonald1838 peter literally means "The Rock"
@@nikolai5058 Peter in the language of scripture he is petros meaning "piece of rock". Rock in the same verse is petra meaning "mass of rock". Basically says "you are a stone but on this boulder (calling Jesus the Christ) I will build my church".
@@teresabeaucheane2876 This is only the case in attic creek. The NT, however, was written in koine greek where petra and petros both mean rock. The word for a small stone in koine greek would have been lithos.
@In a Twinkling because Peter and the Pope's are merely vicars of christ, not God incarnate. We don't worship the Pope.
I'm grateful for the insights of all four men. I like the point brought up about Old Testament verses by Bishop Robert Barron. The prophets frequently had to highlight the Israelites being misguided and introducing things not of the Father.
My wife and I took a trip to Israel in 2013 and we struggled to trust some Catholic traditions we saw there. It was an interesting exposure for us.
Sorry, but the Catholic traditions are the correct ones. Catholics were the first Christians and it wasn't until the Reformation that anyone "changed".
@@VintageCardinal As I said, They're interesting. Thanks for the reply.
Just keep in mind there are no mistakes there are only lessons to learn and grow and thrive and give all the glory to God
The scene here was incredible and I truly appreciated how it was done. Ultimately, the debate for this is something my dad would call "small potatoes." As the details of this does not alter the goodness and truth of God, so the difference in opinion isn't the end of the world. Which is why when I read this, I take it a step further, pondering what could have possibly been and holding it against what I know God's word and truths to be.
For me, as of now (as our understandings of God's word and intentions continue to grow), I think about how the small-g gods came to be. Did someone just start making stuff up and pretend things could happen, or, were these potentially fallen angels? Perhaps that's where some of these small-g gods originated from. If so, it would stand to reason that if we were inclined to think the waters did actually cause healing when stirred up it could be at the hands of a fallen angel. I certainly hold no understanding of a God that would actually pit us against each other in order to get healing. So who would? We know whose purpose it is to divide us and to separate us from God, and that's the enemy. This pool would put people's hope in it, instead of solely in God, and therefore the enemy becomes successful. Dividing each other and removing us from our closeness to the Lord.
Only God knows what actually happened there, and so my thoughts are only to consider what could have been with what was given to us. I find the word of God so fascinating for many reasons, and my desire is to only know and understand Him more. At the end of the day, this line of thought about the pool doesn't matter. What matters is God is on the throne and my salvation and hope remains in Jesus alone.
God bless!
This is great info! That is my favorite episode, the Pool of Bethesda. This will be good information for my Bible class. We are starting our study on season 2 tomorrow. Im not in charge, but since i have a book, our fearless leader will need help.
Hi Dallas and Team, season 2 Episode 4 is one of my favourites, my husband and I also do a lot research of ancient texts other than the Cannon. and in our research we discovered also that the Pool of Bethesda was Pagan. I just want to encourage the Team of script writers, they have done and are doing a fantastic job in their research in bringing us the the truth of the Scriptures. THANKYOU! Love The Chosen, it has been such a blessing in my life. Keeping you in my prayers Terri.
What year was the temple to Asclepius built?
@@Life_Change I don't know if anyone has an exact year. And possibly it was a commercial pursuit in progress and development. Whatever the specifics it was taking advantage of people's pain and misery. What we do know is that Asclepius was an approximate contemporary of Hippocrates which is likely to be an estimated 460 years.
460 BC🙂
@@terriannjones315, there was one built in Rome that was dedicated in 289 BC. I should’ve been more specific and talked about the one in Jerusalem that is related to the story. When the Roman Emperor, Hadrian, rebuilt Jerusalem as Aelia Capitolina in 135 AD, he built a large temple to Asclepius and Serapis, the Greek false gods of healing and believed deity. So it was more than 100 years after the event recorded in the Bible that it was hijacked for that purpose. In addition, Asclepius would only extend his mythological healing to ritually pure people who only thought pure thoughts, unlike Jesus, who loved and ministered to and healed sinners. Thus, this mythic Greco-Roman figure is a total mismatch for John 5.
Great and informative conversation. Am all for this type of open dialogue helping us to understand the works behind the making of the show..the research... the effort to get things right etc. Specially to know that 'The Chosen' is based on Actual Biblical Truths.
I always believed and I still do, that it was a Pagan pool with a fallen angel stirring the water and that Jesus went there to show them that He is there healer, they should look to Him for healing, not to a demonic pool.
Grateful to you all, Chosen team, for bringing us these biblical discussions with varied points of view 💙
🤲 Might our Father bless your projects--current, past, & what may be next.
Might His Spirit be with you for holy inspiration & enjoyment throughout your work, and might the salvation & sanctifying lordship of Messiah Jesus be experienced by the millions because of it 🤲
Wow. Two of the gentlemen were asked for their interpretation and what do you know, Father Baron was not! Hmm.
I love that this calm, reasonable discussion can happen among people from different traditions. So refreshing.
Great discussion. I really like what the rabbi says. His explanation makes a lot of sense to me. Also...I wonder if having these discussions in-house BEFORE actually writing and shooting a scene would create more accurate and plausible narratives. Maybe you are doing that now for future episodes?
Maybe only Bible reading believing Christians should be involved as well? I mean Jesus alone is the only way to heaven. So these round table things meh…
38 years lost in the wilderness because of unbelief or walking in faith. Love how it's another example of Exodus being fulfilled; GOD calls Israel up on the mountain, they refused to go so HE said HE'D come to them. From the mountain top to the Tent of Meeting, to a pool of water and a broken soul. Every life matters and HE sees them all.
@Robert Puffer I thought it was 40 yrs., too. ???
Loved this discussion. It’s wonderful to hear a discussion among these different faiths.
Ma cène préférée je suis bénie abondamment à travers cette cène Saint-Esprit m'a beaucoup aidé, que Dieu vous bénisse 💪🏾🔥🔥🔥
Where can we see these round tables at? Are they all out yet for season 2?
And people are trying to find any reson to cretisice the work you are doing to glorify God and his son Jesus Christ God Bless the Chosen.. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Love the roundtable talks.
Love this breakdown of the scene! Keep on doing what you guys are doing! 👍🏽
Pagan or not God has always used pagan symbols to destroy those pagan beliefs. This is how we have Christmas trees: a pagan tree deity that was chopped down by St Boniface. So it doesn’t matter if it was an angel or a pagan ritual Jesus healed the man to show God’s power.
Perfectly stated! Thank you.
Exactly❕Our current calendar has some PAGAN origins. January is linked to Roman god janus. All Christians use it.
God isn't appropriating Christmas Trees. Christian tradition adopted it. Two very different things.
God did not create Christmas, or most christian(catholic) holidays. It was created by man.
St John the Baptist’s birth can be calculated by the time his father was serving at the temple. The families that served in the temple took turn and Zachariah’s month of service can be found out in the Torah and then translated into the modern calendar month. John the Baptist was 6 months in the womb when he “jumped for joy” when Mary visited his mother, Elizabeth. That month would have been April (late April taking into account Zachariah’s mandated service.) Wether Jesus was born mid or end of December really doesn’t matter as it’s a traditional date from the beginning. The fact is that the sun’s solstice isn’t on the 25th either, it is the 21st.
Anyway I doubt people who were being murdered for their beliefs would think “hey I know! What don’t we celebrate it on the day our murderous enemies celebrate their thing, that will go over well dontcha think?” That sounds stupid to me 🤷🏻♀️
I appreciate the discussion about it, for sure. I love the way you portrayed it, as it's totally plausible that it had become a superstitious belief. AND, the first time I watched it, I was struck by the fact that even IF there was an angel and even IF God chose to heal when the waters were stirred by that angel, it's still Yeshua who saves, heals, delivers and HE is the one who steps into those places where the supernatural is already occurring (or thought to occur, even). It was beautiful. One of my favorite episodes thus far!
This segment is a little over 10 minutes long; at about past seven minutes I was wondering, Bishop Barron must be dying to jump in here. And, I’m now going back in and hope he was allowed enough time to speak on the matter. Let’s see…
A question that popped up in my head is what kind of water was in the pool? I only ask because there places here in the states, (i.e. Hot Springs Ark & Mineral Wells Tx) that had minerals or something else in the water to cause those places to garner a reputation of healing waters.
? What if the waters became turbulent, during a time of aftershocks,
My pastor preached on this today how interesting I come across this.
Why dint god heal.everyone at the.the time not just the.helpless man u could not walk.
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That was great. Thanks for sharing that. Really like the research. Love 'The Chosen'. ❤
PRAISE GOD!! I believe you letting God guide you on, this journey with the chosen!! KEEP LISTENING TO HIM!! EVERYTHING'S PERFECT!! GOD BLESS 🙏
So excited to see Bishop Barron chiming in on these. Excellent points and I loved this episode!
also, aside from the man in the pool, if he WAS simon's brother and the miracle led simon to Jesus. That's the reason for the whole event., just like nathan's temple falling, peter being in trouble with romans, etc. Problems arise so that the Glory of God can be seen and recognized when the problem is rectified.. Shalom, Peace, God Bless and keep up the Great Work!!
Thank you all, and God continue blessing this ministry...
Hallelujah!
I am thankful how you want to be excellent in your production; however that scene blew me out of the water! The entire scene for me was to see Jesus and the paralytic and their conversation. Jesus said “You only need Me”. Wow the tears were flowing. That was enough for me! Thank you Dallas and staff
I always explained it as a contextual addition added by the translator/copiest so that the reader would understand the rest of the encounter because without this verse why was he trying to get in the pool?
Thank you for this round-table. It's fascinating to me the way the Bible is discerned from a theological and Hebrew perspective. It deepens my faith and knowledge in Jesus and edifies me. Keep them coming
I have a quick question about the app. Does anyone know why they want to track our activity in the Chosen app? Thx…
The single most important message of all prophets to their people was to worship God alone and none else and to follow His teachings. All of them, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Jesus, Muhammad and others, in addition to those we do not know - invited people to worship God and shun false gods.
Moses declared:"Hear, O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord."(Deuteronomy 6:4). This was repeated 1500years later by Jesus, when he said: "The first of all the commandments is, ‘Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.’(Mark 12:29)
So, the greatest commandment, the most important belief according to Jesus, is that God is one. If Jesus was God he would have said, ‘I am God, worship me.’ Instead, he merely repeated a verse from the Old Testament confirming that God is One.
This aligns with the mission of Jesus, as taught in Islam, where Jesus was sent to the Children of Israel to confirm the message of the past Prophets - to believe in the One True God.
most Christians nowadays believe in trinity.. Jesus said i came not to destroy the commandments of moses i came just to fulfill.
Muslims reject the Christian belief that God is a Trinity, not only because the Quran rejects it, but also because if this was God’s true nature, He would have clearly revealed it to Abraham, Noah, Jesus and all of the other prophets.
ISLAM is the submission in worship to Allah Alone and it is the essence of all the Messages sent to all nations before us. Allah is All-Just and All-Wise. He does not intend confusion for His Creation. The religion accepted to Him is the one chosen by Him. Its essence must be One, because He is One. It is free from geographical, racist, and status oriented concepts. It is Perfect and it is the complete way of life. All these qualities are chosen by Allah in His Only Religion: Islam. Its details are in in the Qur’an, read it and come with an open heart because none can expose better than the World of Allah. The Qur’an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad. He did not author it. He was unlettered. Its translation is available in many languages in bookstores or in an Islamic Center close to you. Take the time to read it and come/call the Islamic Center, or speak to someone who re-verted and submitted to Allah Alone.
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I just want to say to the Crew and the director... You better be closer to filming, season 3, some of us are refreshed in our walk with God by the beautiful portrayal of Jesus in this show. Life on earth is not easy but it's shows like these that give hope and meaning to why we are here and help us look forward to His coming back again!!!
I'm looking forward to the next update about season 3.🤓✔️😆💕❤️‼️
You guys did a good job. It's a tough passage to handle, and I'm pleased with how it went.
At first I was irked by this clip, as I have felt that the Catholic representative has been routinely minimized. In the case of Bishop Barron, perhaps the others were intimidated, as the Bishop is pretty brilliant. And of course, in the little time he had, Bishop Barron did not fail to make a most interesting contribution!
@Dallas Jenkins, you're missing a critical part of your expert panel: an Eastern Orthodox perspective. This must be addressed.
I love your transparency. I love that you are humble and trying to honor God and Jesus. Jesus and I Love you all!
Good to see Bishop Barron in this conversation. Really, I appreciate everyone involved. But what Bp. Barron asked points to something we observe in churches contemporarily - that the pagan doesn't all-at-once entirely supplant the orthodox in a faithful society or culture or among a people. The darkness, the rust, creeps. So, it would be very human for there to be a mixture of the right and the wrong at the pool. I enjoyed this conversation.
Love the round table discussions
Love that discussion, happy that the Rabbi brought those complementary infos. I used to be a Christian in terms of doctrine, I try now to follow the Torah in the way Yeshua practiced it but to honest I discovered that even if we start to try by the Spirit to obey God’s Word ( to be a follower of Adonai in Spirit and truth), we are blind, deaf, naked …
I personally follow the jubilee’s calendar to celebrate feasts and new months but most are following the traditional lunisolar calendar, others follow another. I tried to look at the strong points and the weak points of each and to be honest without going in the details ( what Rosh Hodesh truly means and all this details), we don’t see the angel rushing at the Throne, we don’t hear the Shophars of heaven blowing, we don’t feel it coming …
We all need to be humble on all subjects even the most basic ones and as a body of believers we should stop writing interpretations of men and imposing it on others.
We should all come into repentance.
The Christians believe that the law is done away, the Torah practicing believers are fighting over their calendars and how to do every single thing with so much assurance when in fact they don’t know.
No one truly knows perfectly anything and there are many mistakes.
This very discussion is a good example. But a council of men, whether it is Nicee or any other from the Jewish side or Hebrew roots side will solve the problem of what we suppose but truly don’t know.
The only way to know and check out understanding of Torah is like Moses : seeing behind the veil the reality on the other side in order to make a pale reflection on this side of life.
To see the throne of Ezequiel 1 and worship the One sitting on the throne : Yeshua
The very One who will put his feet on the mount of olives and who will enter the temple built by Ezequiel in the millennium by the Eastern door and NO One will ever walk through
after.
Let us humble ourselves under the mighty hand of Yah and in due time, He shall exalt us.
Be blessed !
@Robert Puffer I do not practice the Talmud. I only check all my practice and the books I read (old, New Testament and other) through the Torah.
@Robert Puffer for the question if I am a Jew, yes and no. I am of the house of Ephraim (both my parents have DNA of ashkénaze) and like most of us, we totally forgot the Torah and we put the name and reputation of Yah and His Right arm in the mud. Ezequiel 36 is so clear about what happened and what is happening now, He is Himself bring us back and putting His laws on our hearts so that we can do them. All of this for His name sake, not because of us.
I am eagerly waiting for Ezequiel 37 when we will all truly repent and start to unify under the banner of the Machiach and form this beautiful army that will get the land back from the anti Machiach and deliver the little rest left in Jerusalem.
hosanna! Baruch aba beshem Adonai !
@Robert Puffer all right, from what I read you are a blood line Jew and you are proud to be one. There is pride in it specially if you are of those who truly repent and do not follow the footsteps of those who killed the prophets.
Read well the scriptures and you will indeed find life and you will see that anyone fearing the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob can enter into and marry in Israel ( the multitude that came out along with Israel out of Egypt, Ruth, Tamar ……) .
You should be happy that goim are finding light in the Torah and you should be wondering why Yeshua is the One bringing them to it ( and I don’t speak about the Jesus made up by Christian doctrine out of Rome in 325).
You are probably already wondering otherwise you would never be on that very line of comments.
I suddenly see Jewish hate on Hebrew root plateforms and now here. Why do you guys now care so much ??? You didn’t care about Christians for as long as I used to be one before (35 years, never saw a Jewish comment on Christian platforms) because they were 100% foolish pagans for you I guess ( for right reasons) but now you care when we put in practice the Torah that is supposed to be only yours and you think it has been defiled because Yeshua brought it to us ?
Honestly thank you for those comments you make, you can unlike me all you want and maybe this messianic rabbi too but know one thing your ancestors didn’t like Yeshua either yet He came as the Ben Yosef (the suffering Servant)for you and soon He will come back as the Ben David (the conquering King).
Look well if you dare in the New Testament and check all the prophecies and you’ll find out, He is the anointed One.
He is born in Bethlehem, even your ancestors answered right to Herod yet they couldn’t care less and didn’t even bother to leave Jerusalem to check. So lost in their disputes of interpretation, they had no time to see the Machiah coming.
The so called “wise of Israel” say that the Torah is on their side yet they don’t respect it and write foolish things (Jeremiah 8:8).
Yeshua came for those who do accept that they are blind. Most of the Pharisees thought that they could see because they thought they had the Torah and it was enough. Having the Torah without having the Torah giver is like having a car with no key.
To me the Christian as a bad key (added and taken away infos on the Machiah) and no car and the Jew has a defected car ( added and taken away things from the scriptures) but no key. At the end no one wins and everyone is stuck. And those religious people of every side are lost and if they don’t decide to repent they will all die in their sins like Yeshua said. No teshuva: no forgiveness.
No forgiving others : no forgiveness for you.
Honestly everyone should get down their horse and confess their lack of understanding of the real spiritual world.
Yeshua said to the most expert in Torah of his day ( and I don’t think anyone in our day would go higher in Torah knowledge than those guys in that time who tried so hard to do it right to get those Romans out and be free from the consequences of their disobedience), he said to them : “You are blind guides leading blind people”
So if someone who is an expert in Torah is blind, what does it mean ?
It means that the Torah is a stick for blind people.
Since the fall every human being is blind, the Torah is a tool to walk in this world as blind people in order not to stumble and fall. It is a good start and that is why we all need the Torah as we are all blind but the Torah giver is the One we must pursue first !!! Let us not make out of the instruction for life an idol !!! The One true Elohim is the One giving the instruction for life. The stick is not to be worshipped, the Israelites had to get rid of the stick that bloomed that was in the ark of the covenant because it became an idol.
I guess if Jeremiah were here, he would have the very same message of repentance, same for John the Baptist. The good thing is that unlike Jeremiah who was alone and Adonai told him that NO ONE would listen anyway because judgment was decided, this time some are listening and turning from their ways.
Be blessed !!!
@Robert Puffer after reading once again your reply, I think you are applying that you are a black Israelite.
You probably shifted like Prince David that I followed for a while.
I am French and to be honest all of this movement you are in is mostly in the US. To me it is understandable to try to find an anchor and pride but you guys should be careful, unresolved pain and suffering is also blinding.
If you are also pissed by “turn the other chick” then realize that He was doing the sermon on the mount which is literally a sum up of what people didn’t get on mount Sinai. The Torah say to not hate your brother in your heart and to release the debt at the Shabbat year ( once again the slavery theme) , so it is about forgiving your brother to be one. Shema Israel, Adonai is One, Israel must reflect Adonai and be One too. The Torah gives you the perfect justice that is to kill the one who kill but also teaches you mercy and that you do have the choice not to kill if you want to be like the Father in heaven and if you lost a loved One through someone then if you forgive, you are the one paying the debt and then you become the one setting the justice straight. The cross is all about setting the justice straight by doing mercy.
Be blessed
What season and episode is this from?
That was my favorite episode. I have watched it several times.
In reverse engineering, Jessy had to be at the pool for some reason and it didn't work being pagan. As simple as that!
Great discussion with great observations from your experts
Dallas highlights an interesting point. When doing research they found that x verse was not there in the first century manuscripts and thus concludes a logical possibility as to why it show up later on. ✝️🔬+ ✡️ = 👍🏼
Jesse the lame man was my most emotional moment of all. He is a great Actor. 💕💖 He is both funny and blissful with his character that blends suitably with the compassionate Jesus.
Thank you for the discussion.
I thought this episode was perfect.
@Shane Willard is a Bible teacher that I first heard about this being a pagan pool. It opened my eyes.
I broke my back in 4 places and deal with mobility issues and constant pain. This scene was a lifesaver for me in visualizing how Jesus wants me to be whole.
Angels were common in non hebrew/christian mysticism. Makes sense for it to follow that lore.
@Robert Puffer not the point.
Good open discussion about an interesting place.
The more I see these tabled discussions, the more I want to hear Bishop Barron talk. He seems muted in most of them.
I didn't know that some versions of the Bible don't even have this verse in them. That sucks.
I love how The Chosen creates these opportunities to talk about the Bible. The Bible has been translated so much that it's difficult to know what parts were part of the pure original manuscript.
My minister once told me not to believe this scripture, that is was'nt true. So i asked him , '" you can believe in a talking donkey but not that an angel could/ would do this ?
The single most important message of all prophets to their people was to worship God alone and none else and to follow His teachings. All of them, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Jesus, Muhammad and others, in addition to those we do not know - invited people to worship God and shun false gods.
Moses declared:"Hear, O Israel The Lord our God is one Lord."(Deuteronomy 6:4). This was repeated 1500years later by Jesus, when he said: "The first of all the commandments is, ‘Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is one Lord.’(Mark 12:29)
So, the greatest commandment, the most important belief according to Jesus, is that God is one. If Jesus was God he would have said, ‘I am God, worship me.’ Instead, he merely repeated a verse from the Old Testament confirming that God is One.
This aligns with the mission of Jesus, as taught in Islam, where Jesus was sent to the Children of Israel to confirm the message of the past Prophets - to believe in the One True God.
most Christians nowadays believe in trinity.. Jesus said i came not to destroy the commandments of moses i came just to fulfill.
Muslims reject the Christian belief that God is a Trinity, not only because the Quran rejects it, but also because if this was God’s true nature, He would have clearly revealed it to Abraham, Noah, Jesus and all of the other prophets.
ISLAM is the submission in worship to Allah Alone and it is the essence of all the Messages sent to all nations before us. Allah is All-Just and All-Wise. He does not intend confusion for His Creation. The religion accepted to Him is the one chosen by Him. Its essence must be One, because He is One. It is free from geographical, racist, and status oriented concepts. It is Perfect and it is the complete way of life. All these qualities are chosen by Allah in His Only Religion: Islam. Its details are in in the Qur’an, read it and come with an open heart because none can expose better than the World of Allah. The Qur’an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad. He did not author it. He was unlettered. Its translation is available in many languages in bookstores or in an Islamic Center close to you. Take the time to read it and come/call the Islamic Center, or speak to someone who re-verted and submitted to Allah Alone.
Watch some discussions between Christians and Muslims👇
(One Message Foundation)
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