Top 5 BEST Paddles of 2023
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- Опубліковано 7 лис 2023
- Neonic Force 16mm
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Hudef Viva Pro Gen 2
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GRUVN MUVN 13S
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Volair Mach 1 Forza
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I love this community and have made some of the best friends of my life playing pickleball. I just want to give back and share the information as I am extremely into the details and the variables that make each paddle different and unique. I love the different feels and what each paddle can offer my game. And I aim to share all of this passion with you.
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Nice review. Appreciate the work you put into these videos.
Thank you!! I appreciate that 😊
I appreciate you docking a company for quality control issues.
The point is to save you time and money and to give transparent information. Some people think it's not transparent because I am offering discount codes, but the reality is I have discount codes for EVERY company including Selkirk etc. And these really just are the best. Pickleball apes are on my radar now though. Will be testing both of those paddles out very soon :)
I've already got a few thermoformed paddles so I'm going to wait for the next new thing including the surface replacement that pickleballstudio was talking about.
Fair enough my friend I think that’s a great approach. Thanks for the comment 😊
Thank you for sharing :) my favorite 3 are the R1 Nova , Spartus Ballista, and Pickleball Apes Pro Line Energy. Honorable mention for Neonic Force
Spartus is top tier for sure!! Also I’m taking both pickleball apes paddles out for their long awaited testing. Going to be using them solely for a couple weeks as I do with all paddles to really see what they’re all about. Excited to try them.
Great list, affirms my choice of the Neonic as a budget, high-quality paddle. Would love to see an honorable mention list next time, maybe inserted between #2 and #1.
Great suggestion! I will definitely do an honorable mention list. Although it would be pretty long as there really aren't many paddles doing a bad job these days. In the old days (lol) we had a lot more variance and some actually terrible paddles, but now it's kind of hard to find a paddle that's doing something objectively bad. But! I could easily honorably mention a few other favs next time and will gladly do so! Mainly I say all of this because I don't want all of my reviews to just seem positive. I do critique the small things I dislike about paddles but just overall these days everyone is doing a pretty darn good job.
Good Selection, glad you didn’t necessarily go with the typical front runners. Really like the Volair (although a bit poppy). Hopefully I’ll to learn to control it and then Love it. Still got major love for my XSPAK.
Haha fair enough!! And I appreciate it thank you!
review on the gruvn 13x?? maybe a comparison between the gruvn 13s and 13x??😊 please
You may remember I purchased the Volair Forza based on your previous review. After several months of practicing and playing with it, I can honestly say it is the best paddle I have ever owned and I have owned the best paddles from almost all of the top companies. My accuracy with it continues to improve as does my confidence when it comes to placing a shot. Thanks again for your help. I admit the new Gearbox Pro does peak my interest, it is too bad about the manufacturing issues.
Love this comment. This is why I do what I do and deal with all of the trolls in the comments 😂 people like you who share their success because of information I provided makes my freaking day. Thank you for this.
Just so you know, in this context, it’s “pique”, not “peak”.
oh based on this particular reviewer?? and you didn't do any other research from other reviewers?!!! pleaseeeee
Any thoughts on volair forza mach 1 vs six zero dbd
Nice review. Do you add lead to your 13s? What is the stock weight and leaded weight? Thanks!
I do indeed! Stock weight is 8oz and I add 1 4” strip of lead tape from the bottom corners up the sides for a touch of added power and stability 😊
Great review!
Thank you!! What paddle do you currently play with?
Awesome video, this helped me out a lot. The two I was considering were the top 2.
Nice! Also if you have any questions or wanna chat paddles I’m always here to talk!
Nice! I carry the top 3 in my bag at all times and am constantly rotating between them.
Heck yeah!! Glad we’re on the same page man 😊
My 6.0 DBD 16mm paddle is my #1 love. Enjoyed it stock out-the-box, then eventually added lead tape from throat up to lower 1/3 of sides -- now perfection. Sticking with it for awhile though I do hear some new paddles dropping during Nov/Dec shopping season. I may pick up a 2nd option to interchange with in 2024
Love this! Yes the DBD and the Forza are really tied for number one in my eyes. I love both of them so much. Thank you for the input!
@@stspickleballis there enough of a difference between the 2 to justify having both? 😊 I currently have the DBD 16mm, but was considering the Forza as well.
@@judylee9638 I think it comes down to how often you play. If you want another great paddle to cycle into elongate the life of both and to have another wonderful paddle to feel out it could be solid! But there is not a huge enough difference to purchase it in hopes of it making your game better. They are both incredible paddles.
@@stspickleball super helpful reviews, thank you!
@@judylee9638 aww you’re very welcome! I love comments like this. Made me smile 😊
Great video!! Do you plan to review the diadem edge 18k power pro ?
Waiting for it to arrive 😊 bought one though!
Great videos! Just watched several of yours. Could you tell me any cons of 6.0 DBD and Forza? Also which is more tennis elbow friendly? I'm a woman, intermediate, ex-tennis player, and want to try one of these! Thanx!
I’d say the Forza just has more spin and is a bit more powerful on drives but has a touch less pop which I prefer! It’s at 117 swing weight and the DBD is 114 swing weight. The new edge less DBD infinity is around 110 swing weight. Usually lower swing weight will be more ideal for tennis elbow 😊 you can use my spreadsheet at www.stspickleball.com also to analyze and find the best paddle for you if you want to keep your swing weight low 😊
@@stspickleball Thank you for such detailed explanations!
@@MITS621 of course that’s what I’m here for ☺️
Any thoughts on the differences between the Volaire Mach 1 Forza and its limited edition Stealth variation? I think I may be addicted to trying new paddles. BTW, you've gotta try the Joola Hyperion C2 CFS 16mm Ben Johns -- spin has been off the charts for me.
It's the exact same paddle just a different color way! :) But I definitely understand the paddle addiction haha. I am right there with you. I buy a lot of my paddles because I am not as big of a reviewer as some other reviewers and I have spent way too much money on paddles. Hard to find a bad one these days though I have to say.
I gotta come back to this video and just say, I’ve always loved the Mach 1 forza. I recently picked up the Ruby, the C2, the proline energy s, even the Nova R1. Nothing and I mean nothing comes close to the Mach 1 forza. The pop, spin, and feel off the paddle is just like no other. It really is one of the best paddles, and anyone debating on what paddle to get, get the Mach 1. If you want the wider body shape get the Mach 2. Volair for sure the best paddle of the year.
Thank you man!! I love this comment. I’ve gotten some weird comments for my list but I really stand by it. I do like the Ruby though quite a bit. But the Mach 1 is a beauty of a paddle 100%
@@stspickleball yeah I am messing around with the C2 rn it’s pretty good, just the grip circ is totally off. Joolas website claims 4.125 but it’s like 4.4
😂😂 normal Joola things. Always all over the place quality control wise.
Hi!! Thanks for all your videos. I’m trying to decide between the Neonic and the Sword and Shield J2, but I didn’t see that you included the J2 in your selection of the best paddles under 100.00. Any reason for that? Which one would you recommend as the best choice between the two?
The J2 is ok but the Neonic is much higher quality. I would grab a Hudef Viva Pro Gen 2 or a Neonic over a J2 100%
@@stspickleball thanks a lot for your advice!
@@joserafaelnieves7278 absolutely always here to help!
I love my Mach 1! I tried the Perseus and Selkirk Invicta they don't give the same amount of spin!
I agree 😊
Hello, so many paddles to choose from. I saw your review of the Ballr paddle. Where would that one rank in comparison to these paddles for you?
The Ballr paddle was really solid and placed well when it released but now with the Neonic and the Viva pro gen 2 at around the same price but fully thermoformed it’s fairly low. Also one issue I’ve found over time with the original ballr paddle is the grip is a little clunky. I’d go with the Forza 😎. Or if you want to save some money go with the viva pro gen 2! Ballr does have thermoformed paddles coming out that are going to be optimized with a great grip and quality materials though so definitely keep an eye out for those! Should be great!
@@stspickleball awesome thanks for the response
Ended up getting the viva pro gen2. Played first time with it today. It is awesome!
@@YoungRainMaker that paddle has so much crazy power for the price. I’m glad you enjoy it man. Makes me happy to hear honestly 😊
Solid list for sure. I tend to lead towards a bit more plush paddles so my top 3 in no particular order are the Ronbus R1 Nova, the Vatic Prism Flash, and the Pickleball Apes Pro Line Energy S
Also a great list! Nothing wrong with a nice plush paddle. Consistency pretty much trumps everything man. I respect it.
@@stspickleball thanks. Different strokes for different folks. Keep up the great work
Haven’t played with the R1 nova yet but I have used the R3 and it feels super nice and plush. Plenty of power and the pop is on the lower end which makes super nice for resets and dinks. Definitely would recommend led tape though. Felt way more solid after putting on the throat of the paddle
@@SawsyDawsy agree on the lead tape and the feel it is a super plush gen 2 paddle. Really nice for resets and for dinking! 😊
Love the reviews! Have you tried the Joola Hyperion C2 (John’s)?
I haven’t yet!
Also thank you so much for the comment. I really appreciate it honestly. Love comments like this!
Your video was very helpful to me! Have you heard about the Vinsguir Smasher X23 paddle? My dad purchased it last week and has been praising its performance. He has been playing pickleball for six months, and I'm curious to know if this paddle is worth the investment. Thank you!
I think you put the same comment on another one of my videos. I have heard about it but it's honestly a pretty low end paddle and doesn't perform very well in any tangible metrics objectively speaking. I am very glad your dad is loving it though!
That's weird. It's my first time to put a comment on your video. Have you reviewed it? I should send the video to my dad.
I’ve been playing with Engage EX Pro 6.0 and really like it. Which paddles are comparable or better than the Engage EX Pro 6.0? I’m more on control and spin type of player (not a banger).
I’d go with the Selkirk Luxx Epic you can use code ADV-STSPICKLEBALL I think it’s a wonderful paddle and for me is better than the engage paddles. I have them and I enjoy them but they feel clunky weight wise and a little bulky to maneuver for me.
@stspickleball any of your top 5 better than the Engage EX Pro 6.0?
@@JawesomeMeister so I deleted my reply and here’s my update. I actually really enjoy the MX 6.0. I must have been having an off week or maybe it was during my grip change when I was initially using it but testing today I really loved it. Reminded me of all of the things I really love about the Forza. Only thing I can say is if you value more power I’d go Viva Pro Gen 2. Otherwise the MX 6.0 is just great. The EX is also really wonderful and has more control but less spin and is less aerodynamic for drives and serves. Both are really great paddles though 100%
These are all great paddles but I think it missed the mark a bit. All of these paddles are thermos which isn’t bad but it’s not for everyone. I think the vatic prism line both the 16mm and 14mm are better than probably any of these for a new player trying to learn the soft game. The Luxx control air probably also deserves to make the list just for being a good option for the very control oriented players. Not saying that these were bad choices, the double black diamond and Mach forza are both especially good but thermos are just a catch all at this point.
I can agree with you here one some of this. It’s tough. The Prism line isn’t gen 2 and I didn’t personally care for them too much, the Neonic is gen 2 and fully thermoformed for the same price. But they are great for people who are new. The Luxx is a great paddle I’ve hit it a few times and I have one on the way (finally) for a dedicated review. For me these were the standouts of the entire year as a whole and paddles that also are not only gen 2 but paddles who have seemingly solved the core crushing / delaminating issue that companies like Legacy are still seeing as a rampant issue. Love the way you shared your information. This is a great way to express an opinion without being confrontational and for that I applaud you! And I hope I have done the same. I love talking paddles!!
I love the Mach 1 forza, but I’m curious why the new gearbox didn’t make the list
I explain this at the beginning please watch the video all the way through!
Haha yes I did skip through the beginning just woke up 😂
@@ShakkN 😂😂 I knew it!! lol
I switched to the Ruby from the DBD 14mm. I loved the power and my ability to flick/roll of the DBD 14, but it was too poppy on dinks. Love the Ruby, however I can't swing through it fast enough to get the same roll/flick I did with the 14 mm DBD. Due to your review of the Volair Mach 2 I'm thinking it might be a good solution? I don't see the Ruby on your spreadsheet so can't really judge myself. Thank you!
Yeah I took the ruby off the spreadsheet because I played with a friends Ruby and it wasn't nearly as powerful as the original one I had received so I need to update that. 14mm M2F is going to have relative pop if not likely more pop in comparison to the DBD 14mm so if you had a hard time controlling that I would be cautious there. I think if you are looking for more pop than the ruby and want it to be lighter in the hands (assuming the heaviness of the Ruby might be slowing that motion down for you) I would probably recommend the Spartus Apollo honestly. It's less poppy than the M2F 14mm and will be able to flick/roll well for you :)
@@stspickleball thank you I will check that out! So the 16 mm Mach 2 Forza wouldn’t be a good option, with less pop?
16mm would be a great option it’s just going to have far less pop so be ready for a very plush paddle
Any suggestion on Gearbox Pro control? Clearly the price is crazy high.
Like a suggestion on which model to get? Are you set on it? In my intro for this video I talk about all of the quality control issues they have right now.
Any of those paddles do you recommend for a petite female beginner? I don’t know what type of player I am 😊
If I was petite and didn’t know what I wanted to amplify for my game yet and I wanted a solid paddle that I can learn the game with that isn’t garbage I would grab the hudef viva pro gen 2. It’s the most powerful paddle on the list and it has great spin and it’s a great price. 😊 if you ever come to Arizona let me know we can do some drills together 😊
I will, Thank you so much!
Does the Forza have the same handle length as the flash and DBD? I currently have the DBD and think it’s an outstanding paddle but hate the short handle, looking for a similar paddle with a true 5.5 length
I just hopped up and went and measured. The usable length is the same between the Forza and the DBD.
@@stspickleball I appreciate you making the effort! Do you have any recommendations of a paddle that plays similarly with a 5.5 handle?
@@braves2510 pickleball apes pro line energy (not the S version as I just measured that one and it has the same usable grip length of the DBD and Forza) I got to the pickleball apes pro line energy later than most as I figured it was kinda meh and it’s actually a freaking incredible paddle. I’ve been play testing it like crazy lately. You can use my same code for them (I have a code with all paddle manufacturers). That would be my #1 pick for you.
what is the best paddle for making spin?
You can check out my spreadsheet at www.stspickleball.com and sort by RPM
My number 1 paddle is a DBD16mm, my number 2 paddle was a Mach 1 Forza but since receiving my Legacy PowerAir, the Forza may have to move to number 3.
Fair enough. The DBD does everything SO well. Really is a total toss up between the DBD and the Forza. What do you like about the power air? I thought it was a solid paddle but not a total standout for me. 😊
@@stspickleball I like the lower swing weight of the Power Air. I had a Pro S before but could never get the hang of it. I feel like the Power Air and Forza are virtually the same with minor differences here and there. But if I had to choose, the DBD would still be my number 1 choice, the other 2 will be my back ups.
@@samuraistabber yeah dude the freaking DBD is just wicked. Could easily be my number one. I think I just love ripping drives and being a bit more aggressive and the slightly higher spin and the aerodynamics of the Forza works so well for that. But I always feel incredibly confident with the DBD it’s so hard to choose just one lol
@@samuraistabberwhat do you like more about the dbd? Deciding between the 2, im more of an aggressive player who likes power on my drives, and slamming on hand battles
@STS PICKLEBALL This is probably a dumb question but I watch a lot of your videos and respect your opinion on the paddles. . . I play with a DBD and also have lead tape added on the sides. My only problem I have is when I'm at the kitchen line and a someone wants to bang it at me from the baseline (or semi-bang it), I like to try to do a softer block-volley to soft-dink it back to them (like a drop shot) back over the net since they are so far back so they won't be able to get up to it. But I consistently seem to hit it 4-6 inches short of the net. I know trolls will say "work on your game to fix it" but I have the same, consistent stroke and it's always in the same place. So I thought if I could find a paddle to try out and see if this same shot gets a little more oomph to get over for that drop, it might be what I need. Thoughts?
Yeah honestly that’s not dumb at all. That’s just where tech and paddles can kind of shine through. You might want a paddle with a bit more pop. Do you ever have any issues popping up the ball? If not a paddle with a bit more pop to it might be what you need. I will say though hitting it back towards their feet and keeping them back is generally a better play unless you’re getting it just over the net and they can’t make it to the ball in time (which is fun). Keeping them back should definitely be your priority. When you do hit it over the net on those defensive shots if they make it up to the ball you just invited them to the kitchen instead of making their life more difficult and keeping them back as long as possible and firing at their feet. But! If you do both and just want a paddle with a touch more pop to make that shot work better go to www.stspickleball.com and check out my spreadsheet. You can see what paddles I have given a higher pop rating to 😊
@@stspickleball Thanks! Looks like Gearbox is at the top for pop. Ugh! Wish they weren't having quality control issues. 😮💨 Back to square one.
@@US_Romm I know.. it's a rather sad situation but it will be sorted out eventually knowing Rafa and the team at Gearbox. Very unlike them to have such a wobbly launch.
@@stspickleball I was shockingly able to find a Gearbox Elongated Pro Power paddle that does not have factory issues and played with it for 3 hours today . . . your spreadsheet was right on target for what I needed!! (I am in LOVE with that thing!!!) The pop on it was exactly what I needed and it did not hurt anything else in my game. So I just wanted to say "Thank You" for the advice and for all the work you put in on putting that spreadsheet together. I've bookmarked it and shared it with a LOT of other pickleballers. ☺
@@US_Romm damn dude thank you so much!! I really appreciate that a lot. Put a smile on my face 😊!
Gave my viva pro 2 another chance today ~10 games. Played pretty well with it. Still think I like my Filth just a little bit better.
Fair enough my friend 😊
What is the difference in play between the 14mm and 16mm
14mm will be poppier and a bit more firm off the fade, in my experience it will also have a tighter sweet spot. 16mm will be less poppy and have a larger sweet spot and a better soft game 😊
I heard a lot of people say the Forza and R1 pulsar feel pretty much identical. Did you find this to be true too?
Fairly true. I like the Forza a bit better it has a bit better spin and a touch more power. But very relative yes. Both high quality paddles ☺️
Have you tried the Bread and Butter Filth? I’ts a spectacular paddle.
Yes I have a review on it! The spin is a bit low though.
I bought paddles that go over $200 dollars, but came back to DBD at the end
It’s just an incredible paddle man. It does everything so well at a solid price and the owner is constantly tinkering and improving. 10/10 paddle in my eyes.
I hope you get to test the Six Zero Ruby!!!!
Oh it’s coming. And it’s the highest spinning paddle to date.
Hard to do a top 5 without snubs, but I think Vatic Prism series, Ronbus R1 and R3 Pulsar, Apes paddle, and Engage MX Pro deserved to be up there for consideration. Almost nobody plays with any of the paddles you listed besides the DBD.
Pulsars are great! Finally going to be testing out the apes paddles as I had a flood of other paddles I wanted to test first. And the pulsars feel exactly like the Neonic just twice the price (pulsar is one of my favorite paddles) and the prism series isn’t fully thermoformed but more of a 1.5 gen and the Neonic and the Viva Pro Gen 2 are both fully thermoformed and gen 2 paddles for the same price (Hudef only $30 more) but all that said I do hear you and think those are top tier paddles and deserve recognition so this isn’t a debate and I want you to know your opinion is 100% valid and great input 😊
You really think so on MX Pro?
Honestly the fact that the edges are dead REALLY turn me off. Let alone the swing weight
@@zeruth467 yeah MX pro feels a little clunky to me like I can’t move it around as well as some other paddles it doesn’t feel fluid
@@CohenAcademy to me, a $200+ should NOT come with dead edges out of the box. I remember the OG pursuit series to have better sweet spot for some reason
@CohenAcademy I totally agree with you on the Vatic Prism series. They are an affordable paddle series that had a brief 1-2 months of video praise and then disappeared. They are still extremely competitive against some of these others that have been mentioned (especially the Neonic).
Just received my Neonic Force paddle this week. Love it! It truly is a fantastic value/performance proposition. Your evaluation of this paddle was spot on! Thank you so much for recommending it to your viewers!
Love this! Very happy you enjoy it. Yeah you really can’t beat it. I’m about to try another companies thermoformed paddle at the same price point and see how it compares 😊
Looking forward to your review! You do good work.@@stspickleball
Hey thank you so much I appreciate that a lot!
Ordered my Volair a few days ago from one of your reviews. Didn’t know it was on back order until the first two weeks of December 😭
lol it’s worth the wait and the owner was telling me it won’t take nearly that long for them to ship so don’t worry! 😂😂
I’m excited! I’m using the R3 pulsar right now. What do you think are the biggest differences?
@@user-er5hm1sj2i higher spin, a bit more pop and power, I like the weight and balance of the Forza a bit more, the grip circumference is a touch smaller which gives me more whip and lag on drives and serves, and I love the color scheme it looks so nice!
Super helpful! Hey I’ve been seeing a ton of higher level players using a “legacy pro”. What are your thoughts?
-Eric
@@user-er5hm1sj2i solid paddle, basically a lot of people are moving towards power oriented paddles. Legacy Pro is extremely rigid and firm and has solid power and pop. One of the more powerful paddles in the space. But! It has some delaminating and core crushing issues big time and also has lower spin around 1800rpm. Pros have the finesse to go all in on power and it’s becoming the meta with a lot of 002s, the new gearbox paddles, etc. but I would pass on the Legacy personally. I have one sitting in my closet that I never use 😊
Dude! You are like a living commercial.
😂😂😂 I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. Should I be a bit more personable in my videos? I don’t ever want to come off salesy lol.
By any chance are you going to review the new adidas metal bone? It looks interesting
Going to check it out for sure! If I like it and it’s worth reviewing I for sure will get a video done 😊 don’t have super high hopes right now cause everything else from Adidas has been pretty bad but you never know!
@@stspickleball I hear you all of their paddles are pretty bad but this one looks kinda cool 😂
@@ramzacloud10 it does look really cool 100%
@@ramzacloud10 definitely wish they had the .1oz screw slots on the sides and top of the paddle as well so you could really customize it all
Everyone rates paddles but No One rates the Pickleball balls that are available today, and there are Huge differences in the quality of these round spheres from the different manufacturers especially when playing in hot desert sun. I've noticed a big difference and i always seem to go back to the Franklin X40 for their consistent shape and durability while others tend to become slightly oval during hot weather days and develop a pronounced flat spot.
Honestly I agree. There are some ball rating videos out there that didn’t do well so I didn’t know if people would be interested in this but yeah I’ve tried just about every single ball and I always go back to the X-40 myself. I like the pace of play for hand battles with the slightly softer ball and Duras and those more poppy balls lose their shape after like one game.
I LOVE the new Selkirk Pro S1.
@@86309 yeah I do really like the S1 also!
Thoughts on the new gearbox pro power? That’s all I hear people talking about these days
I talked about it in my intro and I have a whole video on it! It’s a great paddle, takes some breaking in. Quality control issues for sure right now so I’d wait a bit but a great paddle nonetheless.
@@stspickleball thanks for quick response. My bad. I skipped through the different paddles and didn’t watch the full video yet. I’m a former high school tennis player that has been playing pickleball for about 4 months now. I play multiple times a week and im in some pretty competitive leagues and would say I’m a solid 4.0 player. However, I’ve been playing with the Ballr Pro paddle since I started thanks to your review. I’ve really enjoyed it, but I think it’s time to upgrade to a higher tier paddle. There are a handful of players I play against regularly who have the new gearbox and love it. How would you say the Volair compares to the gearbox?
Volair is going to be a solid all court paddle the gearbox paddles are going to be way hotter and poppier off the face. Tough to control!
Any reason why the DBD is so much better than the R1 Pulsar? Trying to understand if it’s worth making the switch
It has more pop, a touch more power, spin is relative. Honestly they are both great paddles. Pulsar is one of my favs until the Neonic came out as they have a very similar feel. Dinking, hand battles, and drives feel a bit better with the DBD. But it’s all fairly marginal they are both top tier paddles and made with durability and longevity in mind. I’d only switch if you want something a touch firmer and your paddle is worn down and it’s time to replace or if you want a paddle to cycle in to rotate 😊
@@stspickleball awesome, thank you for the insight! I enjoy the low swing weight in the R1P but I’ve been eyeing the DBD for a while now haha
@@itsDecap yeah lol the DBD is a really great paddle for sure 😊 the owner is incredibly passionate and always innovating which is cool too
Just looked at your sheet on the website and it actually has the R1P 5.5in as higher in both pop & power. Is that accurate?@@stspickleball
Please review Engage’s Pursuit Pro line. They made top 3 on Pickleball Effect, Pickleball Studio and Briones Pickleball.
Yeah I do like these paddles for sure! I’ll get working on it!
What's the difference between the Forza and the DBD as far as play?
DBD will have a bit better sweet spot and a bit more pop, but the Forza will have a bit more power and more spin 😊 very similar with subtle differences
@@stspickleballdo the DBD and Forza have similar feel as far as plush/stiffness on contact? I’m currently using a 16mm DBD, but am considering Forza for the next one.
I’d like a little more pop at the net for counterattacks, but like the feel/control of the DBD 16 for block resets. Thinking about Forza 14 next, but it might be too stiff for my liking.
@@PT_7514 I don’t think I’d go 14mm it’s very rigid and the sweet spot is a pain. I’d get the 16mm version it’s more poppy than the DBD by quite a bit and has just slightly more power 😊
@@stspickleball thanks for the suggestion! Does the Forza seem less controllable for dinks/resets due to the increased pop?
And did you feel slower handspeed compared to the DBD? I’ve seen some reviews saying Forza had higher swing weight and was more head-heavy.
@@PT_7514 a touch less controllable but not by much and the pop gain outweighs that for hand battles if you’re looking for more pop. Lastly they are almost the same for swing weight being 1 point difference so you’re totally fine there! Might not notice any difference 😊
Gearbox Pro Series?
Watch the intro!
@@stspickleballJust replayed the video. Missed it first time through! Keep up the great work!
@@llamp7558 you’re fine 😂 everyone just wants to know what number one is haha don’t blame em
No gearbox ?
Their new paddles ?
Please watch the intro I address this
Funny how you mention how the manufacture will tweek paddles and you will get the latest upgraded paddle if you buy from them, we’ll I feel cheated after a few months that they have tweaked the paddle I purchased earlier! I want the best paddle they can make and if mine is not the best they will lose me as a customer!!!!!!!
lol I mean that’s the case with every industry everywhere so I suppose you’ll end up just purchasing nothing and saving all your money in the future 😂. Jokes aside small tweaks aren’t enough to get angry over, if you have any of these paddles you’re doing it right trust me.
bro... hudef viva pro gen 2?
literally cannot find any other reviewers besides you... wonder if they paid you to feature it lol
I’ve never been paid to feature anything…
You don’t think a fully thermoformed gen 2 paddle that has more power and more spin than most Selkirk, Joola, ProKennex etc paddles and even competes with the elongated Pro Gearbox paddle for $117 wouldn’t be in the top 5 paddles of the year? You’re living under a rock.
@@pauljohnmarcelino2121 ❤️
They can be gotten for $105 if you buy 2 of them and nothing else. Those paddles are amazing! I returned my Volair Mach 1 Forza and Pickleball Apes proline S after trying the hudef.
@@WilkesFamilyPB fair enough! Yeah they are solid paddles for sure! Definitely top competition in the space!
No Gearbox huh?
Make sure to watch my intro!