Is this the future of amp modeling?

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  • Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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    STEP BY STEP INSTRUCTIONS, COURTESY OF JASON ZDORA (see his video here: • How to use NAM Neural ... )
    NAM Colab page with "Easy Mode" script already loaded and ready to go:
    colab.research...
    Training .wav file: drive.google.c...
    Profile loader VST3/AU: github.com/sda... (download the installer)
    Jason Zdora's video on how to profile with NAM:
    • How to use NAM Neural ...
    Step by step how to use NAM "Easy Mode"
    1- Download the "V1_1_1.wav" here: drive.google.c...
    2- Play that audio file through your amp rig and record the output. Amp only! No Cabinet, unless you are wanting to use the entire signal chain including mics, which eliminates using IR’s for the most part for cab modeling)
    3- Export your recorded wav file as 24bit 48khz, IN MONO, and name it "output.wav"
    4- Make sure your output.wav is EXACTLY the same size as V1.wav (this has to be sample-perfect or it wont work)
    5- Go to the Google Colab website colab.research...
    6- Click on the folder icon (left side of screen under the spyglass and the "{x}" icons)
    7- Drag and drop your audio files (V1.wav and output.wav) into the blank area at that opens up when you click on the folder icon
    8- Scroll down to "Step 2: Installation" and click on the "[ ]" inside the darker box inside of the Step 2 area. Should see a bunch of script stuff fill the page. Scroll down.
    9- Underneath "Step 3: Train!" find the 2nd darker box. If you want to increase the epochs, find where it says "run(epochs=100)" and type in whatever you want. "run(epochs=1000)" is great but remember that it takes about 8 seconds per-epoch so plan accordingly.
    10- Click on the "[ ]" inside of Step 3 to begin running the training. If you see a red "play" button, find the error message below and report it on the user group. If its running correctly, you will see a loading bar filling up over and over with an Epoch number in front of it.
    11- When its done, you will see a new folder in the folder section called "exported_models". Open up the sub-folder that has 6 different files in it. Right-click and download "config.json" and "weights.npy". Its a good idea to put them both inside a folder on your computer and name that folder after the hardware you modeled and the date you made the model or other details (easier reference if you make multiple versions).
    12- Download the NeuralAmpModeler.vst3/AU using the installer and put it in your VST3 folder or if on a mac the AU will install where it needs to: github.com/sda...
    13- Start up your DAW and load up NAM Snapshot (folder is called "Steve Atkinson" in your VST3/AU finder).
    14- Click the "Choose Model" button on the GUI and find the folder with your config.json and weights.npy files (the newest version of NAM just saves as “model.nam” which is the file you load into your plugin)
    15- Add an IR after the NAM Snapshot plugin
    16- Enjoy If you want to adjust the epochs or the number of channels run(epochs=X, stage_1_channels=Y) Where: X = 100 for quick and decently accurate X = 1000 for slow and very accurate Y = 12 for lightweight VST3 CPU cost but less articulate Y = 16 for typical kinda heavy CPU cost (this is the default) Y = 20 for very heavy CPU cost but more articulate

КОМЕНТАРІ • 277

  • @GuitarML
    @GuitarML Рік тому +108

    Thanks so much for including Proteus in the video! I enjoyed chatting and I’m really looking forward to seeing how this tech shakes up the music world.

    • @lulapt2030
      @lulapt2030 Рік тому +3

      You are a big guy

    • @mohitrahaman
      @mohitrahaman Рік тому +2

      Hey never thought we will get a demo by Wampler himself, congrats man

    • @jcugnoni
      @jcugnoni Рік тому +2

      Thanks for all your work on ML tools for amp/pedal modeling. I had tried to do that unsuccessfully about 5 years ago but LSTM models implementations where not mature and I was a total noob.. I just had one idea to improve modeling fidelity of the frequency response while keeping the computation cost as low as possible: instead of using a LSTM network for both the nonlinearities and the impulse response, why not try to split at least partially the work between an ML model and a simple FIR convolution (in post)? The learning method could work as follows: 1. Identify the overall IR by deconvolution on a very low level sweep or random signal (to avoid distorsion). This IR could be as large as wanted, but smthg like 256 taps is a minimum. 2. Inverse the filter (tricky, but doable also by deconvolution, but need some smoothing to avoid over amplifiyng some frequencies) 3. The inverse IR filter to the captured output,( it works like a pre emphasis filter before machine learning). 4. Carry out the neural net training on the filtered signal. 5. In the plugin, chain the ML model with the identified convolution filter (IR from step 1). This method is close to what classic modeler do to match the voicing of the amp while the non linearities are modeled as wave shapers or non-linear differiential eqs. I had implemented a multistage distortion in a pedal based on Teensy 3.6 micro-controller and I was using the same method: a small pre eq as a short FIR then up to 4 stages of nonlinear models with inter stage filtering and finally a 256 tap FIR. With some optimisation it was using about 60% cpu (+eq and compressor/noise gate), the rest being used for the TFT display and interface. If you want to have a look the code is on github , project name TeensyDist (just a personnal proof of concept, so not very clean)

    • @demymortelliti
      @demymortelliti Рік тому

      I agree, proteus sounds great too !

    • @lucxin5237
      @lucxin5237 Рік тому

      great job

  • @michaelgriffin5304
    @michaelgriffin5304 Рік тому +19

    Brian seems like such a cool guy to just sit around and goof on guitar and talk all day with. Thanks for being a genuine guy.

    • @thorpenator9148
      @thorpenator9148 Рік тому

      He is. Talked to him on the phone.
      Super nice guy.

  • @leh0941
    @leh0941 Рік тому +22

    It's amazing that we both used the same approach and I strongly believe we both reached the best results with both the plugins!

  • @DavidRavenMoon
    @DavidRavenMoon Рік тому +27

    This is an exciting time to be a guitarist. I’m 65, and have been playing 54 years. I’ve made my own pedals (thanks to Craig Anderton for planting the seed), and currently build guitars and make pickups.
    Back in the 70s I remember asking my band’s sound guy, who was going to NJIT for an electronics engineering degree, “what if we run our guitar through a computer and have it change the sound?” I don’t think sampling or digital audio was a thing yet, but it made sense to me. He explained it’s possible, but computers were too slow for real time processing.
    Now my iPhone can run AmpliTube and record multi track audio in GarageBand. Just a few decades later.
    I record using amp plugins. I own a modeling amp. It’s a “lowly” Marshall Code100, but I get great tones out of it.
    I like mixing up amp parts. A Marshall preamp with an AC30 power section, and maybe a 4x12 cab.
    For that reason I like the idea of a Fractal better than a Kemper. With the Fractal you can create something new. The Kemper and other such Impulse Response profilers is making a recording. You can tweak it a bit, but it’s still a capture of a particular amp.
    The thing I see with younger players these days is they don’t try to find their own sound. They copy their heroes. You don’t hear a guitarist and think “I know who that is!” just from their tone much anymore.
    People pick up a Strat and they just use those typical Strat tones. They end up sounding like SRV or something.
    But listen to Hendrix and Blackmore. Or later Jeff Beck. All three are playing a Strat. And they don’t sound the same.
    So my worry about people buying amp profiles is they won’t take the time to learn how to sound original and everyone will sound more alike than they already do.
    And then the next Hendrix will come along.

    • @Scott__C
      @Scott__C Рік тому +1

      That's kind of my beef about the whole culture now of everything being a Klon, TS, Plexi, etc. and also the culture of Signature everything. Jimmy Page didn't have signature anything and created some of the best music ever, in my opinion. That was always the excitement for me.

    • @jremi
      @jremi Рік тому

      @@Scott__C Agreed! Jimmy Page and all his contemporaries focussed on the music. Today, the focus is on gear and we are even contemplating the idea of letting AI create music. If that’s the future, I’ll go live in a shack in the woods with my acoustic guitar…

    • @jremi
      @jremi Рік тому +1

      Same here! I’ll turn 65 in a few days. Started playing guitar when I was 11 or 12. It is an exciting time indeed, but somehow, I miss the simplicity of the past when GAS was something you would put in your car. With all these great options, is music really better today? Thanks to Spotify, music is free and artists under appreciated. I guess I am getting too old for this s**t.

    • @tamaskevehazi4974
      @tamaskevehazi4974 Рік тому

      Totally agree! Youth guitar players not sounding original.
      IMO the old guitar heroes' sound (like Hendrix, Blackmore, Gilmoure, Brian May, etc.) were not 'perfect'. They concantrated their solo sound and their rhythm sound were not the best. But they became original this way.
      Youth players want to sound 'perfect' in every frequency but it leads there, they sound average.

    • @Scott__C
      @Scott__C Рік тому

      @@jremi Sadly, the majority are underpaid. The big names get plenty of money though.

  • @kernelxsanders
    @kernelxsanders Рік тому +9

    Just wanted to say that Tone Hunt is the primary source for NAM models, not Tone Hub. I believe Tone Hub is a reference to a different piece of software. It's nice to see your endorsement for NAM, as I think it is indeed apart of the revolution of guitar (and other) tones, as it is not limited to just guitarists, but mix engineers as well since compressors, preamps, etc are being modelled as well.

  • @WaylonMcPhersonGuitar
    @WaylonMcPhersonGuitar Рік тому +4

    🎸 I the digital gear around now, especially for recording. The thing I love most about analogue pedals and amps is that no two are the exactly same mostly due to component tolerances. The individuality of your analogue rig is something truly special and unquantifiable, both technologies have an important place for me. Thanks for the video💯

    • @kodykindhart5644
      @kodykindhart5644 Рік тому +2

      I feel this but don’t leave out that I can save all my settings differently in digital
      I love both

  • @PASHKULI
    @PASHKULI Рік тому +10

    NAM is phenomenal… almost 99% on the money. And it is just the beginning of AI modeling!

  • @ChrisMartinsMusician
    @ChrisMartinsMusician Рік тому +3

    Wow Dokken AND Warrant ? Awesome ! 😎 I've been using NAM for the last few weeks and it's absolutely incredible. :)

  • @pinhead7231
    @pinhead7231 Рік тому +1

    Excellent video, Brian! Big help. Now, about that Wampler amp model/IR loader pedal...

  • @joesatchton212
    @joesatchton212 Рік тому +2

    Nice - sneaking a bit of Dokken It's Not Love...homage to Lynch being an early Wampler user! XD As for this capture and AI modeling/training stuff? All I can say is that it is absolutely a golden age for musicians now...

  • @JimFeeley
    @JimFeeley Рік тому +1

    Exciting stuff. Thanks for the thoughtful video Brian!

  • @deanandthebeans857
    @deanandthebeans857 Рік тому +1

    Thanks Brian for making each step so clear and easy.

  • @ErebosGR
    @ErebosGR Рік тому

    The open source revolution is here!
    What a time to be a home-recording guitarist!
    I'm looking forward to all the new upcoming talents that will emerge from every corner of the world, thanks to the democratization of inspiring guitar tones!

  • @narvul
    @narvul Рік тому +5

    The Proteus has a lot of compression, your playing on the NAM is different but still it sounds very real and dynamic.

  • @PabloGarcia-sf7bn
    @PabloGarcia-sf7bn Рік тому +1

    Bro, I need me some of that Line 6 hot fire! I want 10,000 epochs on that sumbitch and then the world will respect my authority! On a slightly more serious note, rimshot, the possibilities seem endless and I can't wait to jump in! Thanks for your perspective on the state of the art.

  • @jcugnoni
    @jcugnoni Рік тому +36

    By the way, it is also possible to build a fully virtual amp / pedal from an original schematic using LiveSpice (like a virtual breadboard) and then convert it to a NAM or Proteus profile... This could help bringing new tones ideas starting from the components / schematic to the ML world.

    • @wampler_pedals
      @wampler_pedals  Рік тому +18

      Oh interesting! I’ll have to look into this!

    • @thisperfectworld
      @thisperfectworld Рік тому +1

      Shhh!

    • @LucifdeLuther
      @LucifdeLuther Рік тому +6

      It`s even possible to run circuit simulation at the level of LiveSpice on hardware. Or with oversampling more than 2x on modern computers. With less CPU consumption than NAM or Proteus.

    • @felinekaiju4517
      @felinekaiju4517 Рік тому

      That's cool!. I'll have to look into it, I'm just getting into pedal building and design, this would be a lotbof fun.

    • @adriangas_
      @adriangas_ Рік тому +4

      @@wampler_pedals I have a small demo on my channel of it simulating some simple circuits. It's still a work in progress though, so some features might not yet be included in the main repository, but we'll get there. 😉

  • @LeonTodd
    @LeonTodd Рік тому +1

    Rockin with Dokken!
    Wampler capture player when?

  • @BobGuido
    @BobGuido Рік тому +2

    I would LOVE to have some Wampler NAM models, especially from those two AC30's sitting there beside you! A simple Wamper NAM pedal, running dual NAM profiles for a stereo amp rig in a pedal please!

  • @hodshonf
    @hodshonf Рік тому +1

    "Huge market disruption
    and I love it."
    exactly!
    NAM is killin' it.
    funny to see the gear board resistance and all the arguments against it.
    i have an NU>X MG-30 ($299) and NAM Profiles (Free)
    The Democratization of TOANZ

  • @sparella
    @sparella Рік тому +1

    Right now, these profiles are like IR captures: only one setting of controls is represented. For people who don't like turning knobs, that is fine. For people who like to sculpt their sound, it simply isn't there yet. For example: an SVT profile without selectable mid frequency is severely limited.

  • @bpabustan
    @bpabustan Рік тому

    I really love the sound of that Tele Brian is using, nobody can beat the clean sounds of that guitar!

  • @sjay4673
    @sjay4673 Рік тому +1

    2:26

  • @shorerocks
    @shorerocks Рік тому

    NAM is impressive. I can see myself making profiles of my amps like I did on the Kemper. Early days, but... impressive.

  • @jremi
    @jremi Рік тому +3

    Yes, probably the future. Personally, I am happy with the Tonex pedal. If you want to be able to bring your sounds with you anywhere without having to carry a laptop computer, you’ll need to invest in hardware at some point.

    • @casanovafunkenstein5090
      @casanovafunkenstein5090 Рік тому

      True, but since it's open source it's only a matter of time before people start building standalone devices with the software pre installed.

  • @BobBob-dv2qh
    @BobBob-dv2qh Рік тому

    Idk Brian,
    Call me old school, or maybe its something in the youtube compression. It's hard to tell what I am actually hearing without being in the room.
    Having said that, I personally prefer the sound of your bravado pedal and guitar. I prefer a live amp sound even mic'd and compressed through UA-cam.
    However NAM was close to the bravado when volume driven on the guitar control. But it lacked the warm tone with the volume rolled off.
    All the Modelers were pretty good, but when the amp, guitar and a pedal sound that good. The simplicity is GOLDEN. No interfaces no computers no screens.
    As I said call me old school but a great guitar, solid amp, and whatever drive you decide to use is golden.
    The tone is in your hands Brian, the tone is in your emotion, the tone is in your touch.
    Whether you use a modeler of any kind you STILL absolutely have to have an outstanding high grade amplifier to sound good. It doesn't have to be fancy but it has to be solid like any old/new single channel tube circuit. The analog response and how the amp "feels" with whatever guitar and whos' hands are touching them just cannot be "recreated or simulated" 100% accurately.
    Just my opinion and my experience as I said, I am just an old school musician who keeps the rig simple and pulls "tone" my tone out of the amp and guitar and how I feel at the time. So.e nights I sound great other nights it could be shit. No amp modeler is going to "fix" my off nights. Lol
    I suppose they are pretty cool compared to what was available when I was a kid. But I tried all sorts of gear and modelers and pedals etc etc... what do I come back too?
    My
    50s strat, single channel early 80s marshall and MAYBE 3 or 4 pedals depending on the guitar I use and the venue I play in. No Brian I am sorry to say although I own some wampler pedals amd love the ones i have, they don't make the gig nights very often LOL, in all honestly maybe20% chance a wampler pedal will end up in the line up. I use my old boss stuff for the gigs because at live volume levels after 5 or 10 mins no one can hear the difference. LOL
    Just me my opinion and my 44 year old broken ears with permanent tinitis. Hahaha
    Thanks for the solid videos Brian

  • @ektopia
    @ektopia Рік тому

    Amazing vid. Learned so much from you. Thanks for unmasking the mystery

  • @pedrolicks8316
    @pedrolicks8316 Рік тому +1

    hey man, nice comparisons, but for me personally real amp rules, it's more musical and soulful especially in live situation..

  • @giancarlopaolini7529
    @giancarlopaolini7529 Рік тому +5

    Brian I'm sure you're the guy that ...can make a pedal than can host VST plugins ..in the style of Gig Performer ..one after the other so to build up chains easily at own discretion. This is what's gonna be the future in my opinion ....modelling is only left to those people who have a wide range of amps that want to carry them around easily while the complete chain prevails in terms of importance and there the amp model is only a slice of the cake. In your shoes I would start studying this idea closely 🙂

    • @picksalot1
      @picksalot1 Рік тому

      You might find this Jason Zdora video on making IRs interesting: ua-cam.com/video/TB5F5pFjXp4/v-deo.html

  • @klaussturh3445
    @klaussturh3445 Рік тому

    don't know 'is this the future?', but in any case at 2:26 "Is This Love?" ha ha, nice!

  • @YoureNowOnTV
    @YoureNowOnTV Рік тому +1

    It’s the signal path of modelling capture that does my head in. Outs ins, this box, that box, stand on one leg, cluck like chicken while whistling your National anthem and voilà done.

    • @wampler_pedals
      @wampler_pedals  Рік тому

      That can be a little bit techy but that’s where all the huge amount of profiles that others have made come in handy- just load them up and play, no need to mess with anything else unless you just want to!

  • @hannibalbarkas1350
    @hannibalbarkas1350 Рік тому +1

    Already made the change to NAM from a bunch of other modeleres with alle desire to buy a product gone lol. Next step is building some sort of DSP pedal to run it combined with a class D amp.

  • @jacksmith4460
    @jacksmith4460 Рік тому

    I'm on the NAM train and loving it

  • @davidbelcher2805
    @davidbelcher2805 Рік тому +5

    Gotta get those George Lynch licks in there😄.

  • @andkemp
    @andkemp Рік тому +1

    NAM nailed it. Totally.

  • @felinekaiju4517
    @felinekaiju4517 Рік тому

    Gotta love how you brought out the Spider just to demo how NAM is used. I've not played through the spider, but it seems to cop as much, if not more hate than the Boss MT-2 (which I modded over the eastern long weekend) from your book.

  • @TheKevinNewsom
    @TheKevinNewsom Рік тому

    Sounds great! Digital is getting VERY close.

  • @nedim_guitar
    @nedim_guitar Рік тому

    This is cool! I should model my two amps at different settings and mess around with that.

  • @GuitarAnthony
    @GuitarAnthony Рік тому

    A little rockin' with Dokken. Very nice.

  • @aliasdandavisofficial
    @aliasdandavisofficial Рік тому

    I honestly had to look to see if this was an April Fool's gag or not. That aside, thanks for putting this out. I'm way less up on "gear trends" than I used to be. If I ever got around to using my DAW at all, I'll probably download this. At the moment, I'm just happy to plug my guitar in & play. I prefer real amps & pedals at the moment - not because they sound any better, but because any time I turn my laptop on (my job doesn't require a PC) my day is completely shot. Everything about it is a huge time suck. BUT, if a person were using a guitar for something close to "work" &/or hat the computer on all day, this would would be THE way to go, especially at the price point.

  • @RobertKeeleyTV
    @RobertKeeleyTV Рік тому

    Great video Brian! Thanks!!!

  • @jeffbeck6501
    @jeffbeck6501 Рік тому

    It looked like a pretty painful process to get a model of your specific amp and then load that model into the software. Also, both of them sounde3d like modelers. They sounded good, but it still has that modeler sound, which is okay, but I am starting to be able to recognize that sound. I prefer the way your Wampler amp sounded. I got to go back and find that video again. That thing sounded like perfect to me. But thanks for this video as I did not know about either of these free open source products. I use a Behringer Vamp3 and it also sounds like a modeler, and is now quite old. ...but I can still get some good sounds out of it. But I guess it is time to look into updating. Great video with lots of good information in it. Especially when it is stuff for free.

  • @infowarrior4LIFE
    @infowarrior4LIFE Рік тому

    AXE FX 3 = Sold 35 + years of Vintage and modern Amps and pedals, I don't miss any of them... Pedal boards and pedals RIP.... Best tone in the WORLD, Live and Studio....

  • @raycochrane3971
    @raycochrane3971 Рік тому +1

    Excellent video and attitude to new stuff, competition and challenge. Will I try it? I wouldn't make my own profiles...I don't have anything be worth profiling. I'd be inclined to try other people's profiles but would I be tempted to just grab a profile of something known, famous, already available in an "amp in a box"? I do like your pedal sample sales idea: lateral thinking.

  • @jimfindrick6443
    @jimfindrick6443 2 місяці тому

    NAM for the win here. Meanwhile, I'm convinced that AI auto-adjust will eliminate the menu-diving now necessary with Fractal, et al. I just bought a new TV with AI auto-training/adjust and in 30 seconds ended up with the most glorious picture that used to take days of tweeking and retweeking. Though I'm a Fractal zealot...Cliff and co. are hereby on notice that AI is here to eliminate the time-suck of drop-down diving and constant tone audition to get us off the science-project and back to playing guitar.

  • @dickjonesify
    @dickjonesify Рік тому +1

    NAM just destroyed. Wow 👏🏼🔥 Thanks for covering this stuff, Brian.

  • @VapnFagan
    @VapnFagan Рік тому

    This hurts my head, lol.. It looks cool no doubt! I rather wait till this gets a bit more easier and user friendly.

  • @jlrespicio
    @jlrespicio Рік тому

    Exceptional playing!

  • @stravvman
    @stravvman Рік тому +1

    All Fender models I tried in NAM sound too dark for some reason

  • @CemSaydam
    @CemSaydam Рік тому

    Profile loader pedals that can load 3rd party profiles. That’s it! Thanks 😊

  • @upStomp
    @upStomp Рік тому

    I own and use ToneX and HX and haven't used a tube amp in decades, so it's not like I'm a luddite. With that said, I'm kind of apprehensive about where this is all headed. The amp/speaker is 1/2 of the instrument, and the primary source of tonal characteristics. At what point do manufacturers just stop producing tube amps altogether? How will guitar amplification (and, more specifically, guitar tone) evolve once the traditional source of the tonal character of the instrument is no longer available? Do base guitar tones even NEED to evolve anymore?
    Loved the Lynch intro, btw 😉

  • @edgibborim1948
    @edgibborim1948 Рік тому +3

    More epoch will give you a more robust model, less error on strange situations the training isnt fmilier with. Its trying to converge into a singularity , so more iterations will let it do that. Really exciting stuff !!
    Still not going to replace my magic diodes, tubes and transistors that were dipped in unicorn blood on a full moon

  • @PlasticCogLiquid
    @PlasticCogLiquid Рік тому

    Thanks for the blast of Dokken

  • @chrisfit
    @chrisfit Рік тому

    Add a little bathroom reverb to that spider and you’ve got yourself a quality studio sound!

  • @tokenofdevotion
    @tokenofdevotion Рік тому +2

    This is gonna help cut so much time in collecting gear just to record a specific record. Also, I like that the all weird equipment that I can find can essentially be preserved and shared with other people so they don't have to waste time and effort looking for it, buying it, testing it, fixing it, etc. Idk I just see good things coming out of this and yes probably the end of boutique is close and I LOVE IT

    • @c1ph3rpunk
      @c1ph3rpunk Рік тому

      There’s droves of us that love doing that with old gear. You’re not “preserving” by making it digital, you’re pretending.

    • @hbo001
      @hbo001 Рік тому

      You probably don't know how this thing works. You definitely can't really preserve a pedal You can only capture the tone of the signal chain and have a single aproximation of it with fixed knob positions. There will still be a place for modellers and real gear, I think. For instance you can create a new model of an amp which doesn't exist in real word. Whilst it's theoretically possible to create an artificial audio file sample to train NN you rely on physical gear 99% of the time to create a new profile.

  • @woosix7735
    @woosix7735 Рік тому

    I mean this stuff is new tech, but it is DESIGED to copy sounds that already exist so... not sure it it will solve your "market is satured with clones" problem. cool stuff either way!

  • @robyates136
    @robyates136 9 місяців тому

    Interesting. Now ... can someone create a "bare metal" set of hardware to go with them? iPad-based runtime and an iRig?

  • @ridoshah1714
    @ridoshah1714 Рік тому

    THANKS!

  • @flmason
    @flmason Рік тому

    If we are saying that it is possible to have a reference file (that we send through what we want to capture)... then the resultant waveform.... and AI will find the algorithm/function that translates any input waveform into the output waveform of the measured device... sounds like it means the end of hardware for the masses... and thus a contraction in the hardware manufacturing sector.
    Hard to beat free plugin that sounds like whatever amp or other device desired.

    • @everythingisopen
      @everythingisopen 11 місяців тому

      Yes. Yamaha THR, ID:Core, Katana, Dual Cube and so on, all in different sizes and output, you can play guitar or bass through them with profiled/modelled digital controls and use them as regular speakers for anything else in your life.
      But rock and rock bands aren't going away. Metal freaks neither. Some of them may switch to FRFR cabs, all of them still want a lot of noise in their face and chest. Many of them have plenty of surplus cash to spend on 'just the right one' with the 'perfect pedalboard' in front.

  • @mark5150ty
    @mark5150ty 9 місяців тому

    I want a pedal that you can load these captures onto and use as a preamp👍🤟✌️

  • @charliewesley94
    @charliewesley94 Рік тому

    Brian - Do you worry that this free technology will eventually eat up some of (or most of) your market share? Curious.

  • @thecaveofthedead
    @thecaveofthedead Рік тому +1

    This is only the beginning of the disruption though. Up until now we've pretty much had a choice between a pedalboard - where you select each component to taste - or a multi-fx - where you're stuck with whatever version of various effects that the company chose for you. And ridiculously, many new pedals are powerful digital devices that are dedicated to a single or a handful of effects. So despite these pedals being capable of running multiple effects, the marketing demands they be sold as single effect units. Both of these paradigms will soon be crushed.
    It's a matter of time with the power of ARM processors now until the first unit comes out that can run .VST plugins in a floor unit. MOD Devices is halfway there with their units that run the alternative .LV2 plugins. But once this happens we get to have our cake and eat it. We get to hand pick our effects and amp sims or profiles, with all the convenience, simplicity, and reliability of a multi-fx unit.

    • @everythingisopen
      @everythingisopen Рік тому +1

      Gonna be great if something like .NAM and .LV2 becomes cross platform standards like IRs did. Forcing OEMs to step up on component quality and interface design. Probably makes it easier to enter the market as well, like when boutique took off due to web marketing and decent shipping options.
      There's still plenty of space for Amplitube and Guitar Rig and the like where you pay up front for a bunch of quality profiles or models.

  • @bradconklin2878
    @bradconklin2878 Рік тому

    Yeah... I think I'll just use an amp and a couple of your pedals:) But, thanks for the demo!

  • @patrickkem689
    @patrickkem689 Рік тому

    So how long now until we start to see modeling pedals?

  • @brianblair1478
    @brianblair1478 Рік тому

    You cant just play that out of the blue.😳The Lynch/Dokken licks and riff!! Yes!!! Blew me away!🧠💥
    I have to back track now and listen to the modelers.😐

  • @jonjones655
    @jonjones655 Рік тому

    The Wampler amp ruled them all. I got a kick out of the comparison with the Line 6 that sounded closer to the modelers but that's what I expected. Don't get me wrong they did sound good and if you can make it work....cool.

  • @MrTupeloFlash
    @MrTupeloFlash Рік тому

    Thanks for demonstrating clean tones, we can now actually hear the music instead of mindless noise

  • @pytheus
    @pytheus Рік тому

    Thank you!!

  • @louishwu
    @louishwu Рік тому

    This is so cool! i wish i could get NAM to work properly. I got it installed on iMac running Ventura 13.3 and loaded some profiles from tonehunt but nothing sounds this good. Lots of digital distortion and if i play with the input or output volume too much it crashes logic. I dont know whats wrong

    • @wampler_pedals
      @wampler_pedals  Рік тому

      what IR's are you using? Regarding it crashing Logic I would jump in the FB group and let them know you're having that problem

  • @TValoy
    @TValoy Рік тому +1

    They both sound amazing, but the noise artifacts at about 3:12 and 3:45 would drive me bonkers. There is sort of a cloud of noise after each note when playing clean by turning down your guitar volume

    • @GuitarML
      @GuitarML Рік тому +1

      I noticed that too, that noise isn’t normal for most captures I’ve done. Would love to track down what’s going on there and potentially make the code more robust. Highlights the fact that this is very much a continually improving project and I learn more from the people that use it than they do from me!

    • @TValoy
      @TValoy Рік тому

      @@GuitarML The noise reminds me of the Wurlitzer samples on my Nord Stage. Those samples have something similar, but much lower in level

    • @wampler_pedals
      @wampler_pedals  Рік тому +1

      @@GuitarML yeah, on higher gain there's a bit of hiss with both. Same with Tonex and kemper. I mix with a waves ns-1 plugin, so what you're hearing is the gating on/off of that plugin I believe.

    • @GuitarML
      @GuitarML Рік тому

      @@wampler_pedals ah that makes sense, thanks for the explanation!

  • @devilslide01
    @devilslide01 Рік тому

    Was that some Dokken riffage?

  • @Yosser70
    @Yosser70 Рік тому

    It’s all cool but give me a load of pedals and an amp any day 🤘

  • @DirtyDead1313
    @DirtyDead1313 Рік тому +3

    Dokken!!!

  • @RockG.o.d
    @RockG.o.d Рік тому

    I tried this NAM plugin on the pc to play guitar quietly, but I have some serious trouble with crackle, and also some micro lag. Still trying to figure out why its crackling on a soundblaster zxr. The sound also degrades quite quickly after. also tried asio 4 all. might be because of all my sound devices causing a little interference. one thing for sure, not giving up on it. cos don't always like to get other equipment out when playing on a night.

  • @andenahlino
    @andenahlino Рік тому

    How about making your NAM profiles avaliable for download :D ??

  • @livcrash
    @livcrash Рік тому

    Hi mr Wampler thank you for your work, i love your pedals and also love your videos. They're always inspiring to me. I actually use a Pinnacle deluxe V2 and an Ego in my pedal board and i'd like to ask you a question. I actually use a switcher in my pedalboard and i'm unable to use both switches on my Pinnacle. Do you think there's a way to use both of them with my switcher?

    • @wampler_pedals
      @wampler_pedals  Рік тому

      There’s not a way to divide the two circuits in that unfortunately.

  • @vonmilash823
    @vonmilash823 Рік тому

    It's the NOW of amp modeling!

  • @89ji76
    @89ji76 Рік тому

    The one thing these are missing is a way to use them live without bringing a laptop and interface.
    If there was hardware like the the Tonex pedal that could run the same profiles as the plugins do, that would be the full package.
    Maybe some existing pedal manufacturer should get on that…………….

  • @TheActressAndBishop
    @TheActressAndBishop Рік тому

    Could you guys use one of these has the basis for a pedal which loads up these models? For live use?

  • @nordicomsystems8841
    @nordicomsystems8841 Рік тому

    Dokken...nice!

  • @notalkguitarampplug-insrev784

    I would definitely buy a NAm pedal from you!!! Would put 500€ at least

  • @joerectifier
    @joerectifier Рік тому

    I enjoyed your video, Brian, despite my cynical view on digital modeling….disruptive sure, good? Nah, not to me. I won’t shift

  • @chucklee347
    @chucklee347 Рік тому +1

    I'm 54 yo 25 years ago I would have hit a man in the damn mouth that told me some digital bull shit or a modeler was even close to the precious solid gold with the halo tube amps. But now I've been eating crow awhile now. Most people if there honest with eyes shut can't hear one from another. Without getting a lucky 50 50 guess. That's a fact

    • @upStomp
      @upStomp Рік тому +1

      I'm also in my 50's. 25 years ago I remember my father, a professional photographer, telling me digital will never be able to approach the quality of film. Now he uses his phone to take 95% of his pictures.
      Still, the thing that scares me about this tech is that it's currently used to model real-world amps, but what happens when it completely replaces real-world amps? There'll be nothing left to model, so any further evolution of guitar tone will be left to software developers. That just feels wrong to me for some reason 😁

  • @johnplainsong9769
    @johnplainsong9769 Рік тому

    Wampler Ego -> Wampler Temus -> Tonex (amalgam audio captures) = Tone Nirvana.

  • @darklight4815
    @darklight4815 Рік тому

    That dirty tone sounds very Ratt-ish or Lynch Mob-ey
    🤘💀🤘

  • @picksalot1
    @picksalot1 Рік тому

    I've used Modelers for ages, and welcome the advances in Tone Matching in its various forms. NAM looks very interesting, and I'll have to watch some videos on Proteus. Portable Modelers that can easily load and play Profiles/Captures is a feature that I hope can be added via a Firmware Update to units like HX Stomp, QC, etc. It's nice that we can play the sounds of Vintage Amps, Speakers, Pedals, etc., but what interests me most is the ability to morp and create new sounds.

  • @lancenunez8252
    @lancenunez8252 Рік тому

    Getting good tone used to be sort of a unicorn… always chasing and never quite getting there. If we can all flip a switch and get great tone, what will be there to distract us from practicing? 😜

  • @nheto666
    @nheto666 Рік тому

    Is a matter of time to someone build a hardware in pedal, or hack form that run those plug-ins and they became standard. I think the days of Neural, Kemper and ToneX are numbered.

  • @stoneysdead689
    @stoneysdead689 Рік тому +1

    If ppl have somewhere to buy professionally captured models of tones, then yes- I think this will do great. But the average person doesn't have access to the amps and pedals they want to have emulations of. Someone like Rick Beato, Phil McKnight, or you- ppl who have big collections of classic amps and pedals- Josh Scott, etc.- but I don't see any of you getting into selling models so- who's going to do it? Big companies like UA or Kemper are only going to sell models that run on their proprietary gear. We need someone who both has access to all this stuff and has the desire, ambition, and technical skills necessary. That's going to be a fairly small group of ppl I think. Maybe some tech head who works at a studio that has a lot of gear. But all the modeling technology and skill in the world does someone like me no good- I have no access to anything to model. LOL- I could model my friend's Helix I guess- models of models.

  • @JudgeFredd
    @JudgeFredd Рік тому

    The Marshall amps company has been sold at the right time...

  • @Jomomma1
    @Jomomma1 Рік тому

    "It's pretty easy."

  • @KenKuroGuitar
    @KenKuroGuitar Рік тому

    This is super cool.
    But I still don't understand how I'm supposed to use this.
    Example, how do I connect my guitar to a computer and then connect that to my amp? (which I assume is how this works?)

    • @wampler_pedals
      @wampler_pedals  Рік тому

      You will need an audio interface connected to your computer. Then just plug your guitar into it. Then use a DAW software on your computer. The. Listen to it through your computer speakers

  • @agentviktor3297
    @agentviktor3297 Рік тому

    Look JZ! You are FAMOUS!!!!!!!!!! XD

  • @grimm26
    @grimm26 Рік тому

    Free plus all the hardware you need to have.

  • @jabarbors
    @jabarbors Рік тому

    I guess I don't understand what the point is. Like, what exactly does this do? Does this give me more tones in my bedroom? At practice? At a show? Recording?
    Is there a training course somewhere that can explain this to me like I'm 5? Or rather, like someone who has only plugged a guitar into an amplifier and doesn't understand how the computer is involved.

    • @wampler_pedals
      @wampler_pedals  Рік тому +1

      Yes it does all of those. And in order to use it, currently at this time, a computer is necessary.

  • @RenanSilva-ue5jp
    @RenanSilva-ue5jp Рік тому

    Hey Brian, what pick ups are on the Whitfill? thanks!

  • @joelabbott
    @joelabbott Рік тому

    Hey, leave the name of the processor on the screen a little longer, or overlay it throughout or something.

  • @joerectifier
    @joerectifier Рік тому +2

    The system engineering and impulse response of transfer functions H(s) has been in play for so long….the hardware is catching up to do the calculations ie dsp. To ee guys, this is nothing new and is even a little pedestrian. It’s difficult to wrap one’s head around “calculating” your tone from real physics and electronics and calculating the “pressure or stress induced” non-linearities of tube systems….personally, I see the efficiency and economics of it but I certainly do not like it and will NEVER use it in a recording or live circumstance. One thing I do think is very cool is being able to use a cheap modeler to understand basically what the real units sound like….that’s fun. However, nobody will ever do “better” than a ‘78 50W JMP for rock and roll, so that’s what I will always use. The real item….the core source…the genesis.

    • @joerectifier
      @joerectifier Рік тому

      @@jonathanlucero93 my whole gut instinct and purist view is that it’s not that hard to carry around a Marshall head and a 4-by (I use 4 individual 1x12s: super easy to lug around) and a small pedal board…why on earth would I use a calculated approximation when I have the real thing and all the joy is found in tip toeing in and around the non-linearities of a tube amp….that’s the magic. I don’t want to calculate my guitar sound.

  • @musicproductionvideos5019
    @musicproductionvideos5019 Рік тому

    I DL'd NAM but my Mac didn't want to install it. Is it safe?

    • @wampler_pedals
      @wampler_pedals  Рік тому +1

      Yep, totally safe.

    • @musicproductionvideos5019
      @musicproductionvideos5019 Рік тому

      @@wampler_pedals Ok I installed, but own no IRs. Do they have a DL area for these? I'm new to this, but I do own Tonex now and really like loading the complete amp/cab. They have about 1000 IRs in Tonex and it's amazing to me how much the speaker can change the basic sound. I think the IRs are locked inot the that eco-system. I could waste hours trying them out. I'm pretty sure 1 or 2 good IRs that sound good with a certain amp profile may not with others. Maybe I'm wrong. I just want to get to work in my studio. I hope they add the complete amp/cab possibility soon. Love your pedals!

    • @wampler_pedals
      @wampler_pedals  Рік тому

      @@musicproductionvideos5019 Thanks! Not sure if NAM has an area for it or not, but here's a few resources that I found for you: www.reddit.com/r/audioengineering/comments/vtik1v/what_are_the_best_free_irs/ and www.reddit.com/r/NeuralDSP/comments/uf05g4/free_ir_collection_presets_for_plugins/

  • @randyrhyne4903
    @randyrhyne4903 Рік тому

    I heard a little warrant too.

  • @bcarr3116
    @bcarr3116 Рік тому

    Close but no horse shoes