Trying 19 Philly Cheesesteaks in 24 Hours to Find the Best One | Taste Of The Town | Bon Appétit

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  • @unaffiliated_razorblade
    @unaffiliated_razorblade 4 місяці тому +192

    In a back alley, arguing about a cheesesteak, hunched over a trashcan. That's pretty on-point.

  • @stevennREYES
    @stevennREYES 4 місяці тому +1085

    Delaney did it first

  • @andrewgray3776
    @andrewgray3776 4 місяці тому +153

    I knew it was gonna be Angelo's before even watching the video. That cheesesteak is heads-and-shoulders above any other joint in Philly, and their pizza is top tier too.

    • @timmysweeps1632
      @timmysweeps1632 4 місяці тому +3

      Thanks to Dave Portnoy he put this place on the map

    • @mikebing1230
      @mikebing1230 4 місяці тому +3

      Cafe Carmela was better. Dalessandros too.

    • @conniejoe9484
      @conniejoe9484 4 місяці тому

      Where is Angelo's

    • @timmysweeps1632
      @timmysweeps1632 4 місяці тому

      @@conniejoe9484 9th and Fitzwater..place is packed

    • @jeljdksl7583
      @jeljdksl7583 4 місяці тому +1

      pizza’s great but im SOOOO confused about angelo’s??😭😭😭 i dont see it at all…. delassandro’s allllll the way

  • @Im_a_49er
    @Im_a_49er Місяць тому +10

    I love eating Philly cheesesteaks while watching people eat Philly cheesesteaks!

  • @TsunamiWombat
    @TsunamiWombat 4 місяці тому +58

    also, it's pretty wild the OG bon appetit crew was so memorable that it's now been longer since they were on the show then they were actually on the show and people still remember them/want them back.

  • @anthonylandi6393
    @anthonylandi6393 4 місяці тому +78

    Philly is pegged as a whiz town but I’d argue I see as many, if not more, people choosing provolone or our local favorite Cooper Sharp.
    If you go to Angelo’s I would recommend Cooper + onions + pickled cherry peppers

    • @WordAte
      @WordAte 4 місяці тому +1

      That pickled cherry pepper sounds like a great addition.

    • @scbs7768
      @scbs7768 4 місяці тому +17

      As a local, whiz is for tourists

    • @fij-i2867
      @fij-i2867 4 місяці тому +1

      This

    • @096017hss
      @096017hss 4 місяці тому +3

      Couldn’t recommend a better first time order there

    • @SilverAerialist
      @SilverAerialist 4 місяці тому +3

      truly why does no one understand in these videos that whiz is for tourists. have a real philadelphian take you to get a cheesesteak and you will get cooper sharp

  • @TheNiners6949
    @TheNiners6949 4 місяці тому +31

    That bathroom going to be humming after this😂

  • @markbradley9952
    @markbradley9952 4 місяці тому +30

    Agreed! 1)Angelo’s 2) John’s roast Pork, 3, cafe Carmela

    • @swilliam81
      @swilliam81 4 місяці тому

      Dave portnoy rankings

  • @ItzBwo
    @ItzBwo 4 місяці тому +95

    Been to every spot you visited (plus about 20 more) and gotta say very fair assessments of all based on my experiences.
    1) Angelo’s is simply the goat. Homemade bread, perfect ratios, attention to detail etc. Danny just gets it.
    2) Cafe Carmela is very close to Angelo’s but the bread is the difference maker. Phenomenal Italian food across the board though!
    3) John’s Roast Pork, always delicious but kinda handicaps himself with cheese options and sometimes the ratio is meat heavy (not that that’s a horrible thing lol)
    Honorable Mention: Donkey’s in Camden. Technically not Philly but this sandwich beyond memorable

    • @IAmDroot
      @IAmDroot 4 місяці тому

      100% agree

    • @zphdbbox
      @zphdbbox 4 місяці тому +8

      Angelo’s is better with cooper sharp not whiz. Mistake in this video is doing whiz. Most steaks are better with sharp provolone or cooper sharp.
      Lillo’s tomato pies in hainesport NJ is solid also

    • @scbs7768
      @scbs7768 4 місяці тому +2

      Dude I had the same top 3 but try Johnnys up Brynn mawr. The pizza is stellar and the cheesesteak broke my top 3 no lie. Also sunshine sandwich shop in manayunk id say is top 5

    • @jacobzimmerman3492
      @jacobzimmerman3492 4 місяці тому +1

      Del rossis started making their own bread. its up there now

  • @josephsgroi4474
    @josephsgroi4474 4 місяці тому +293

    Everyone knows Pat’s and Gino’s are the worst.

    • @tinaf600
      @tinaf600 3 місяці тому +2

      That point

    • @ezekielmohammed4193
      @ezekielmohammed4193 3 місяці тому +14

      Not when you drunk af and it’s the only thing open lol

    • @desolactrix9153
      @desolactrix9153 3 місяці тому +1

      Sí, yr doy la razón, estoy visitando todos estos restaurantes y Pat's y Gino's son los peores, el pan frío, el relleno incluído, es increíble todo lo que hace la publicidad.

    • @homeoftek5844
      @homeoftek5844 3 місяці тому

      The best is probably Peganos in West Oak Lane

    • @desolactrix9153
      @desolactrix9153 3 місяці тому

      ​@@homeoftek5844 buena referencia, iré a probarlo

  • @ChuckMound
    @ChuckMound 3 місяці тому +14

    How did you find parking at all these spots? That's equally as impressive as the task of eating all those cheesesteaks.

  • @Broski__
    @Broski__ 4 місяці тому +35

    "7th and Fishwater" 😂😂😂

  • @phillyspitta8147
    @phillyspitta8147 4 місяці тому +9

    Cafe Carmela , Stella’s , Angelo’s , johns , delesandros, Sparcos , Maxes , Clevers , Oh Brothers , can’t go wrong .

    • @phanatic215
      @phanatic215 4 місяці тому

      Oh Brother is dope. My daughter put me on to that place and we went after seeing a musical.

  • @craigdougherty6256
    @craigdougherty6256 17 днів тому +1

    My heart sank when you got to Steve's, said you loved it, and then it wasn't mentioned again. Definitely my go-to

  • @PremierLeagueProductions
    @PremierLeagueProductions 4 місяці тому +16

    Angelo's is far and away the best by a mile! I'll be back there in a few weeks. After them I would recommend John's Roast Pork.

  • @tylerhuntdesign
    @tylerhuntdesign 4 місяці тому +22

    Joe's in Fishtown was always my go-to in Philly. I'd put them up against everyone.

    • @MayorMcCheese2000
      @MayorMcCheese2000 4 місяці тому +2

      Hands down the best, and Alton Brown agrees

    • @Thrashahoy6
      @Thrashahoy6 4 місяці тому +2

      That's my go to. Maybe not the best, but always solid.

    • @mikeanthony2779
      @mikeanthony2779 4 місяці тому

      Great place!!! (Joes)

  • @Stizzie44
    @Stizzie44 4 місяці тому +49

    Shout out to all my Latinos in those kitchens!

    • @timmysweeps1632
      @timmysweeps1632 4 місяці тому +1

      Haha dude in Philly it's always a Mexican dude who knows English who tells his guys in Spanish what to do..we love them guys we make so much money off then and they're happy

    • @Naltddesha
      @Naltddesha 4 місяці тому +1

      Uhh.. alright

    • @TheNiners6949
      @TheNiners6949 4 місяці тому +2

      Weirdo alert 😂​@@Naltddesha

  • @LunarEclipsism1
    @LunarEclipsism1 4 місяці тому +179

    This ain't Delaney

    • @IceAintNice
      @IceAintNice 4 місяці тому +9

      Wow. You get your GED? 🙄

  • @jcnlaw
    @jcnlaw 4 місяці тому +7

    Angelo’s pizza is also terrific.

  • @phrewilly8556
    @phrewilly8556 4 місяці тому +12

    Jim's with provolone is top notch!😁

  • @Jetohhh
    @Jetohhh 4 місяці тому +2

    Just wanna say I appreciate the editing style of this video. Very different but works so well

  • @windy.way0
    @windy.way0 4 місяці тому +10

    I was just in Philly a couple weeks ago, such a great city and that cheesesteak is 🔥

  • @ayannas3473
    @ayannas3473 4 місяці тому +72

    Were you afraid to visit Max's?

    • @leniralexander434
      @leniralexander434 4 місяці тому +19

      I was looking thru the comments to see if I would find this, cause I was thinking the same exact thing! had to be a fear thing cause Max's is great!

    • @PJ_White
      @PJ_White 4 місяці тому +18

      He most definitely was! He could’ve gone in the daytime with a Black friend😂😂😂 He really missed out though🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @RobertCooperTheGallery
      @RobertCooperTheGallery 4 місяці тому

      I was thinking the exact same thing!!!

    • @DJNessNYC
      @DJNessNYC 4 місяці тому +4

      So disrespectful

    • @moniboo523
      @moniboo523 3 місяці тому

      FACTS

  • @robertrudick2492
    @robertrudick2492 3 місяці тому +4

    Mama's Pizzeria ❤ The Best Cheesesteak

  • @chrishelock2178
    @chrishelock2178 4 місяці тому +1

    Angelos and John’s Roast Pork are my top 2 as well! Awesome job

  • @Equinsu_Ocha
    @Equinsu_Ocha 4 місяці тому +6

    Cafe's whole menu is 🔥

  • @fcvazquez2
    @fcvazquez2 4 місяці тому +2

    Yes! More of Elazar Sontag! 🤗

  • @fij-i2867
    @fij-i2867 4 місяці тому +13

    How do you go to Angelo’s and not get cooper sharp cheese

  • @VelvetCzar
    @VelvetCzar 18 днів тому +2

    Philly native here. There's bodegas in North Philly that really put it down. Mark Weins found this out. However, it's sketchy and sometimes dangerous. Go to the bodega, keep your chin up, mind your business and order your sandwhich and dip.

  • @markchristopher4165
    @markchristopher4165 4 місяці тому +76

    One of my favorite things about Philly is the absolute aggression over who has the best cheesesteaks, and how no townie will EVER choose Pat's or Geno's

    • @pennytrue2741
      @pennytrue2741 4 місяці тому +1

      I still don’t get why everyone goes to both of them still.

    • @lionjunkdrawer2386
      @lionjunkdrawer2386 4 місяці тому

      @@pennytrue2741 open 24/7 - people still get drunk

    • @defnoteliv
      @defnoteliv 4 місяці тому +2

      @@pennytrue2741 tourists obviously they dont know any cheesesteak jawns besides those two.

    • @ericsierra-franco7802
      @ericsierra-franco7802 4 місяці тому

      ​@@defnotelivit's not just tourists that go to Geno's and Pat's. Plenty of locals eat there too.

    • @ericsierra-franco7802
      @ericsierra-franco7802 4 місяці тому +3

      ​@@pennytrue2741Geno's used to be great at 2 or 3 AM. I still like Geno's but I'm not going to tell anyone that it's one of the best you can find.

  • @mikebing1230
    @mikebing1230 4 місяці тому +2

    Great video. Top 5 in any order. Cafe Carmela, Angelo’s, dalesanndros, Jim’s and joes.

    • @scbs7768
      @scbs7768 4 місяці тому

      Dalessandros Jim’s and joes isn’t in the same universe as Angelo’s JRP Carmela

  • @jphilli7929
    @jphilli7929 3 місяці тому +2

    Got a new one. It is Ochinilis Steaks in Middletown Delaware. It is about 1 hour south of Philly. Absolutely excellent. Huge. Steak cut into small tasty strips. Cooper Sharp throughout. Love the chewy bread.
    Jeff

  • @C_hoops58
    @C_hoops58 4 місяці тому +2

    John’s roast pork. My favorite. 😊

  • @rickm3739
    @rickm3739 4 місяці тому +90

    Stop with the whiz nonsense. The owners don’t recommend it either. Cooper sharp

    • @tinaf600
      @tinaf600 3 місяці тому +3

      Exactly 💯

    • @c.conga11
      @c.conga11 2 місяці тому

      99% of Americans only know about the whiz

    • @adamthompson7170
      @adamthompson7170 2 місяці тому +3

      THANK YOU! I saw an episode of Philly Cheesesteaks on the Food Network!The guy doing the reviews on the cheese steaks 🥩 and he said that he was told that the Philly locals told him that cheese whiz was the way to go!😱🤮I wanted to STRANGLE SOMEONE!!

    • @ortizw040505
      @ortizw040505 Місяць тому +2

      Angelo's(THE BEST IN PHILLY) started using Cooper sharp before anyone else and now everyone is copying

    • @Sadew_Sadew
      @Sadew_Sadew Місяць тому +1

      It should be provolone imo, but anything besides whiz! And probably should be anything besides American cheese too (nothing against that but there's just better options locally).

  • @roguesonly
    @roguesonly 4 місяці тому +31

    Alex died for this. But Elazar did a great job combing through my city

  • @PickleBack88
    @PickleBack88 2 місяці тому

    Your review skills are absolutely amazing! 10/10

  • @jimbrennan1181
    @jimbrennan1181 4 місяці тому +9

    I thought that Angelo's would win out, and they also make great pizza. It's worth the wait unless the line is really long.

  • @connorgriffiths8899
    @connorgriffiths8899 4 місяці тому +1

    now this is the food content i need

  • @benerupert
    @benerupert 4 місяці тому +1

    Gotta try Pizza Plus South! Amazing bread and overall quality can't be beat! 😋

  • @MallarySantucci
    @MallarySantucci 4 місяці тому +12

    elazar really committed with this one! i love angelo's! what city's dish is next?!

  • @SnackEatingSnacks
    @SnackEatingSnacks 4 місяці тому +1

    Totally agree. Angelo’s was the best for me also

  • @Antimony96
    @Antimony96 4 місяці тому +7

    You're supposed to get it with provolone. Whiz is for tourists.

  • @lhamilt
    @lhamilt 2 місяці тому +1

    Adding Del Rossi’s to the list!

  • @philly7452
    @philly7452 4 місяці тому +2

    Love this city,born and raised,NO OTHER PLACE can do cheesesteak like PHILLY! Coming up in the 90s though, I just don’t recall eating a cheesesteak with sesame seeds on the roll😬,and it wasn’t until I got older did I realize I liked American over whiz 😂, love this city!

  • @ruffprophetproductions
    @ruffprophetproductions 4 місяці тому

    this was really well produced!!! especially considering I can tell its shot on a cell phone (edit: at least I can tell day 1 was. probably because of a lot of running around). this shows that it's all about storytelling and skills. nice pacing on the edit too!!

  • @06VistaBlueGT1
    @06VistaBlueGT1 4 місяці тому +4

    When I could eat these, it was ALWAYS Jim's for me.

    • @tinaf600
      @tinaf600 3 місяці тому +1

      Jim's is one of my favorites too. I go to the one in Springfield. Living in Delco a new spot called Prime Steaks opened in Glenolden and they do them on the seeded bun and it's so delicious 😋

  • @brunoroedel
    @brunoroedel 2 місяці тому

    Great ideia! You should do an episode eating Buffalo Wings in 24h. Maybe Juicy Lucys in Minneapolis or Breakfast burritos in Texas!

  • @coypu2005
    @coypu2005 11 днів тому

    Angelos! Yesssss!!!!! ❤

  • @rochiellebevans1783
    @rochiellebevans1783 4 місяці тому

    Awesome review.

  • @russellingaroundoutdoors
    @russellingaroundoutdoors 22 дні тому

    I'm a long time Cosmi's Deli guy, but this list has me thinking I should try a couple others.

  • @shakarussanders9911
    @shakarussanders9911 4 місяці тому +2

    Tony and Nick's will always be Tony Luke's in my book! That's my favorite in Philly

    • @fantasyguru26
      @fantasyguru26 3 місяці тому +1

      I was wondering how he didn't have Tony Luke's in his top 19 list. Now I know. That was the best cheesesteak I had on my last Philly trip.

    • @shakarussanders9911
      @shakarussanders9911 3 місяці тому

      @@fantasyguru26 Yeah I love

  • @hayden.43167
    @hayden.43167 4 місяці тому

    This is so original

  • @jimdellavecchia4594
    @jimdellavecchia4594 4 місяці тому +6

    Always get provolone cheese and fried onions
    Pat's & Geno's are garbage, except at 3 am when nothing else is open

    • @Droz6209
      @Droz6209 4 місяці тому

      What if you hate provolone? I’m a NY guy and I don’t get South Jersey’s/Philly’s love for provolone.

    • @TheMustachioed
      @TheMustachioed 2 місяці тому +1

      @@Droz6209then don’t bother getting a cheesesteak. Stay in NY and have a chopped cheese instead

  • @tomokuta_
    @tomokuta_ 4 місяці тому

    more of these please

  • @nay4415
    @nay4415 Місяць тому

    Great Video!! They have 5 cheese cheesesteak also which you can all on one STEAK😂😂

  • @Wammy4000
    @Wammy4000 4 місяці тому +43

    Dalessandro's is the move!

    • @dawiteboi17
      @dawiteboi17 4 місяці тому +14

      I used to drive a semi truck and I delivered in Philly one day. When I asked the Lyft driver for the best Philly in Philly he took me to the dalessandros and we each got one. They opened at 10am and we got there just a few minutes after open and there was already a line out the door. I got onions and whiz. First time with whiz. Greatest philly experience so far in my life. Thank you unnamed Lyft driver.

    • @ItzBwo
      @ItzBwo 4 місяці тому +10

      Eh maybe 5 years ago.

    • @TGnPBullet
      @TGnPBullet 4 місяці тому +1

      Dalessandro's and Steve's Prince of Steaks are my fav's. Can't go wrong with either one!

    • @dawiteboi17
      @dawiteboi17 4 місяці тому

      @@ItzBwo that's about wen I was there too

    • @Thrashahoy6
      @Thrashahoy6 4 місяці тому

      ​@@ItzBwo100%

  • @raj2tennis
    @raj2tennis Місяць тому

    I want your job! Carmela's cooks cheese steaks the way it should be done. Liked your picks. While I have not lived in Philly in 30 years. I grew up there and ate at a ton of places. Was glad to see you had the pepto with you. Eating that much meat in one day will do you in.

  • @Mike_Greentea
    @Mike_Greentea 3 дні тому +1

    You ask 10 people what’s the best and you will get 10 different answers!

  • @TriptoCo
    @TriptoCo 3 місяці тому +1

    Lived in awesome Philly for 18 years. Best times and friends of my life. Dalessandro's Steaks, or Tomy Luke's. Ok, maybe Johns roast pork. Can't go wrong, other then going to Pat's or Geno's. They only serve one real purpose if you live in CC/Philly, 24 hours, open. When you and your buds are drunk as F' and the bars are closed..... Walk, or cab it to Geno's. You'll hate yourself when you wake up however..

  • @jimlangdon6703
    @jimlangdon6703 4 місяці тому +2

    There’s not enough time in a day to travel to 19 places.

  • @alexklemash6660
    @alexklemash6660 2 місяці тому

    Can't call this a complete list without trying Phillips

  • @phillyfaithful2690
    @phillyfaithful2690 4 місяці тому +1

    John’s for the win. Always. Steve’s is best with liquid American.

  • @Oliviaxslastone
    @Oliviaxslastone 25 днів тому

    You need to try Delco Steaks!!!

  • @Beefycheddermelt
    @Beefycheddermelt Місяць тому

    John’s most generous with the meats. When hungry go John’s.

  • @garylyman4922
    @garylyman4922 Місяць тому

    Born and raised in Philly. It’s John’s roast pork for me hands down. Did you try the roast pork with broccoli rab and sharp provolone. Best sandwich in the USA.

  • @TheBabolat91
    @TheBabolat91 4 місяці тому +1

    Should try “Mama’s pizzeria” in Bala Cynwyd too, it’s up there

  • @rjpsdp305
    @rjpsdp305 3 місяці тому +1

    As a Philly Guy I've tried all of these (and more...) over the years. Wiz is for amateurs, get Cooper, American, or Provolone!

  • @Fenrir6Gaming
    @Fenrir6Gaming 4 місяці тому +1

    dude took 1 bite out of 19 cheese steaks, so he ate 1 whole cheese steak. LMAO they all looked amazing though.

  • @garkelsr
    @garkelsr 5 днів тому

    Missed out not going to Cosmi’s Deli. May not have won, but top 4 no doubt.

  • @unapologeticus
    @unapologeticus 3 місяці тому

    I love Sonny's and their grilled cheese steak sandwich is great! But I don't order onions. I also love Angelo's! I wish they were open on Monday's I would be there more often. 😊

  • @EmpressChanelle
    @EmpressChanelle 4 місяці тому +1

    It’s all about the steak the bread is the vessel

  • @drewsimon7007
    @drewsimon7007 4 місяці тому

    Plz bring these vids back!!!

  • @thabuloodles9209
    @thabuloodles9209 2 місяці тому +2

    Jims Steaks West is the best

  • @thebossnittany
    @thebossnittany 4 місяці тому +1

    Waiting 30 plus min for a cheesesteak is criminal.

  • @r.thomas256
    @r.thomas256 4 місяці тому

    1 - Angelo’s, 2 - Cafe Carmela’s, 3 - Curly’s Ceations. Gotta got Cooper Sharp and Fried onions.

  • @m6a6t6t2
    @m6a6t6t2 2 місяці тому

    jims probably wasnt reopened by the time of this video but its probably my favorite

  • @michaelharris4912
    @michaelharris4912 4 місяці тому

    shouts to Will at the end for reppin philly. bro had no clue watchu was talking bout at the end bro.😂

  • @행복한_하루
    @행복한_하루 4 місяці тому +2

    좋아요하고 시청중입니다😊😊😊

  • @RajaAdou
    @RajaAdou 4 місяці тому

    All that in one day??? 😮 I got the worst case of heartburn just watching this 🤣😂🤣

  • @jimdellavecchia4594
    @jimdellavecchia4594 4 місяці тому +14

    The real Phila sandwich is Roast Pork!!!

  • @uneyedentified2017
    @uneyedentified2017 3 місяці тому

    angelos not only has the best cheesesteak, they also have the best pizza

  • @Sadew_Sadew
    @Sadew_Sadew Місяць тому

    "Whiz or American cheese" Dropped; it's provolone!!! Who started this sham recipe?!

  • @eliasstanley9149
    @eliasstanley9149 4 місяці тому +1

    Thank you for your service

  • @quincee3376
    @quincee3376 18 годин тому

    Provolone cheese for me.

  • @MichaelBlum-x2x
    @MichaelBlum-x2x 2 місяці тому

    need to venture into the suburbs and try out Verona Brick Oven Pizza in Maple Glen -- 11/10!!

  • @NeilFisher49
    @NeilFisher49 4 місяці тому +2

    Got to go to Donkey's in Camden, but Angelo's is goat

  • @jamesrogers8809
    @jamesrogers8809 2 години тому

    Cleavers should have made the Final Cut

  • @eastcoastiso3523
    @eastcoastiso3523 3 місяці тому

    You should also try Delco steaks as well.

  • @NJT4211
    @NJT4211 24 дні тому

    I love Oregon Steaks

  • @mentat1341
    @mentat1341 4 місяці тому +2

    Steves Prince of Steaks yo!

  • @josepharte
    @josepharte 4 місяці тому

    Y'all did this one already.

  • @ToledoSolider
    @ToledoSolider 2 місяці тому +1

    I feel like I haven't had a better cheese steak then the ones you get at Jersey Mkes

  • @orchidlife9482
    @orchidlife9482 4 місяці тому

    Pat’s and have it delivered!

  • @Atrabz
    @Atrabz 4 місяці тому

    Got to try Prime Steaks in Glenolden PA!

  • @SteveStyleTV
    @SteveStyleTV 4 місяці тому +6

    Its not a bun bro it's called a roll

  • @laner9153
    @laner9153 2 місяці тому

    ishkabibble’s every time

  • @GO2battles
    @GO2battles 4 місяці тому

    R&S taste of Philly is a hidden gem in Ashton road in NE Philly. They use ribeye with cooper sharp on a seeded roll as well. Rated 5* for quality and service.

    • @Trish-j2y
      @Trish-j2y 4 місяці тому +1

      Oh that sounds great. my honey I’m gonna try it. Thank you.

    • @GO2battles
      @GO2battles 4 місяці тому

      @@Trish-j2y post what you think after. 😉

  • @bennettslavin3975
    @bennettslavin3975 4 місяці тому

    I really need to try Angelo’s again, extremely underwhelming after waiting 45 minutes on a sidewalk, but everyone seems to think it’s the best!

    • @ling9731
      @ling9731 4 місяці тому

      Ask for wait time, then walk around Italian market while waiting

  • @tpain74277
    @tpain74277 4 місяці тому +3

    gotta go to little sicily 2

  • @jlunsk16
    @jlunsk16 4 місяці тому

    Johns and Angelos are 1A and 1B in Philly, can't go wrong with either