Did This YouTuber Steal From Charity?
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2023
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Its very ironic that an organization meant to be raise money for dementia research forgot to donate the money
Lulz righttt
Man 🤣🤣🤣 you wrong for this
Jesus😂
This shouldn’t be so funny 😭
You stole this comment and you know it bruth
I understand hanging on to the money for 2-3 years because you're not sure what's the most efficient way to distribute it. What's crazy is that they kept raising more and more money for a fucking decade without donating it. That's just absurd level of mismanagement
Charities are the most mismanaged things in the world let alone one set up exclusively by a youtuber who does not run it full time all year every year. The fact that the money was never spent is honestly better than 90% of charities who spend the majority of their donations on admin fees whereas this charity was averaging less than 20k a year
@@stytler06 Of course they were not spending any money on admin, they were not doing anything
I also worked with 3 different charities and I wouldn't say they were mismanaged at all. The most important thing for charities is being very open to donors about where exactly that money is going
@@christhed8679 congratulations you worked for the 10% notice I didn't say all are bad 🤦♂️
@@stytler06 Right but you pulled the 90% number out of your ass and it's pretty unfair for all the people working their asses off in charities for usually way below market rate salaries
@@stytler06bold statement. Governments are the most mismanaged thing in the world
That "if" at the end of the video is doing a lot of work.
He's already tried to get a video taken down. He's had plenty of time to confirm the money is still in the account. He's had plenty of time to find a charity and get started on that. He's had plenty of time to get his message out there.
It's very clear he's likely talking to lawyers. But given his unwillingness to be transparent and the fact that he's lied about this for years, even probably lying about when he learned of this (if the forms are to be believed)... I don't think there's reason to be optimistic, unless I guess you count a Pokemon poll as a meaningful discussion on the issue.
If there was nothing wrong, a lawyer would have no problem helping him make a statement.
This is a little crazy for me because I actually audit non for profits and let me just say reporting expenses as “expenses” and not giving a breakdown would NOT pass an audit that is exactly how fraud happens (not saying he is doing it but when you don’t have a breakdown it is easy for an employee to just yoink as much as they want)
For more context, I think it is worth watching Muta's second video on this. Long story short, some accountant guy on twitter tried to recontextualise this a bit, pointing out that there is a difference between restricted and unrestricted donations: Basically, it is difficult for people donating to know whether the money will go to research, or into administrative stuff. Imagine you donate to Unicef or something, and the money ends up going to Unicef's PR or advertising campaigns, instead of the actual charity stuff. It seems plausible (but not proven) that Jirard and his family kept the money in their account because they wanted to find a charity where the donation is guaranteed to go into actual research.
Muta fully admits that this is important extra information - there is a plausible good reason for why nothing was donated. Muta ALSO says that Jirard still kept quiet about it, and that they consistently claimed to have partnered with organisations like the University of San Francisco, which is evidently false. So, there is no doubt that there is something fishy about the way this was advertised - but the reasons for why the money was never donated could perhaps be more understandable than some people think.
Same! Thanks for writing all of this out and written so well. 😊
How does that make any difference though? If his donation doesn't go to administrative expenses then someone else's will. The charity's costs are set so there's absolutely no difference in impact donating one way or the other, just seems like some kind of ego stroking thing to make sure that your specific dollars went to the physical act of researching at the cost of reducing the overall impact the money could have had (because if the money had been given annually as it was received it would've definitely had a bigger effect).
@@Anything_Random Well I think it's part ego stroking but it's also just a good marketing tactic for charities. If you can point to a concrete and tangible change, you can use that to motivate people to donate more.
Honestly that's why doing nothing with the money is hurting their reputation so much. They name dropped some orgs to give the impression they have been making an impact but instead preyed on people's kindness to literally make zero (if not a negative impact) for the last decade.
right. except he lied to his fans about what was happening with the money, well after finding out the money was sitting in an account doing nothing lmfao. it's hilarious how everyone is coming around to his side
@@primal9238I mean that would be plausible if he hadn't lied to everyone multiple times about multiple things. Also it's been years.
Can't say I agree to your takes on this one. Assuming that money still exists, of which there is no proof, due to inflation it will be worth less now than it would have been had it been donated just as Jirard himself had claimed it would be. Even ignoring the mystery "expenses". In this case, his silence is speaking volumes.
The expenses are actually very low for a charity not very mystery. Charities some times go as high as 60% going to investors. From what I hear with things like this 15-20% is more reasonable being a non profit. He could of charged double and it wouldn't be weird which makes it all the more weird that he would scam but yet he did
That's just how legal counsel works. Even if Jirard did in fact not do anything wrong, lawyers would tell him to stay quiet because you risk hurting yourself more than you can help yourself acting in defense.
@xavmanisdabestest I would agree if the charity had actually done any good whatsoever with the money collected from the goodness of their viewers and sponsors and that money for expenses was being used to do more good... however, in the time it has existed, they have done nothing at all... except take for expenses.
@@Kyle_116a lawyer would also advise a public donation to show that his intention is to donate. Of course being silent, but a lawyer wouldn’t let him sit on this money.
Just wanna point out that there's no "assuming that moneh still exists" we very definitely know that it does + the inflation thing you said is honestly kinda speaking out the ass, interest rates exist for banks and the expenses are very much not a mystery, the charity puts on events they're not just getting all this money out of thin air, they're putting on events that pull in that money so the little bit lost per year is a very very reasonable amount to be spent annually and honestly is less than most charities that size spend
The thing that gets me is that there has been a bunch of excuses, and people arguing that there are good reasons why this could happen... but I know of like a half dozen different charity streams and streamers and not one of them has behaved like this. If its perfectly normal to hold on to the money for literally years and make sure its going to the right place as some are arguing, okay, give me examples? Which other streamers are still holding the money? DougDoug didnt, Hasan didnt, Ludwig didnt, games done quick doesnt, etc, etc. They named their charities as Jirard did, they gave the money to their charities as Jirard evidently hasnt. Where is all this 'normality'?
It stinks, just massive red flags all over it, and yeah the money is still all there as far as anyone can so far tell, but thats hardly proof that it was never going to be directed elsewhere. Who even knows what would have happened if this hadnt been spotted by Mutahar and Karl.
It was the guy's retirement fund. Nobody holds on to donations for 9-10 years for any charitable reasons.
Inflation has reduced its value over the years.
Yeah this is such a strange situation. I’ve donated to some of Hasan’s charities like the one for Turkey/Syria earthquake relief, and you can very easily track that it’s actually going to orgs that are using that money asap.
Also a lot of these other streamers donate thousands of dollars of their own money to them. Idk if Jirard also donated his own money, but good lord this is fishy as fuck
I work in a research lab as a postdoctoral researcher and the average 5 year grant, which is what is required to produce a substantial amount of research, a publication, and make an actual contribution to research is well over 6 figures. A 5 year R01 grant from the NIH pays out about 3 Million, the average 3 year grant from the DoD pays out about 1 mill. That money will cover a single postdoctoral researcher in the lab, their lab costs, and maybe a research assistant for the last 2 years to help in the lab. I don't think people realise just how insanely expensive research is. It's not out of greed but making these reagents we use are expensive to make, and postdoctoral researchers only get paid about 50K, though its important to note we are prohibited from having a second job or having a side hustle as the NIH require we pledge 100% of our time to research in order to qualify for funding. The way around that however, is to donate to the university, and put that money into equipment funds. Grants that cover research and staff costs do NOT cover equipment! We need a new microscope? 100K is gonna pay for half of that. 100K is enough to keep a flow cytometry and cell sorter up and running for several years and reduce the cost to researchers so they can do more with that grant money. There's a million ways to use that money to support researchers and expecting your money to go to some huge discovery is kinda...unrealistic. We are barely keeping ourselves above water in research, grant money has not increased and inflation in the last 5 years has almost doubled our costs, even down to the warranties on expensive equipment, repairs to existing equipment and our freaking electricity bills. That money could have helped an entire research department keep their lights on. A ten minute conversation with even a grad student would have brought this to light and its very clear they did next to no effort to actually distribute the money to research.
"I just have to assume that they have no idea how to operate a charity".....
i love these vids so much, either i'm learning about a situation along with stanz or i get to see him learn about a situation i'm interested in :)
So I'll boil it down.
They raised $780,915 for charity, but only $655,520 is left in the account. $0 was given to charity and 15% was taken for "misc" expenses. Open hand is family owned and isn't a large charity, so $0 went to employees or equipment according to the filings. Jirard said directly that he only found out in 2021/22, and that they were looking for an organization to give the money to. Between 2014 and 2023 Open hand has said via events and website that the money will go to "UCSF Memory and Aging Center". So even after Jirard supposedly found out, he still told audiences "every cent" would go to UCSF.
As the director at the very best Jirard would be guilty of gross negligence. Having no knowledge or care about the money he was himself raising for charity to honor his dead mom. At the very worst the entire thing was an outright scam to build a nest egg they can either pull money from, or it is all actually gone.
He got caught with his pants down and immediately got defensive and talked without thinking instead of taking a second to think
As a fan of Jirard for the last decade, this was so disappointing. Stanz would never do such a thing
Well you clearly havent learned your lesson😂
It’s been a week or so and I’m still in the “let’s see what his side of the story is” camp. Really hoping he doesn’t just stay silent
It's not looking good
@@DGlakyso far my opinion lands at “he’s likely not done any of this out of malice, but he has still supremely messed up.”
So much of what he said in those calls feels like it’s him panicking, and this behavior screams that he and his family are inexperienced at running this. Hoping he speaks his side soon, and that this break is being taken is because he’s finding a place to give this money. Fingers crossed
I wish I shared your optimism😢
with the whole 5% minimum donation thing i wonder if there are legal issues he's trying to get sorted out as well before making a statement. i'm hopeful as well, really doesn't seem like there was any intention of scamming
@@WhyYouWahYoo he was aware since 2022 apparently one entire year where he has kept lying to audience knowing the money wasn't going anywhere but something that sorta slams this shut for me is him saying they were trying their best looking for a good place to donate which is why they took so long, yet he was ready to donate to a charity that Karl and Muta wanted that felt very weird to me
Its insane to me to continue solicting donations when you dont know who you are going to donate to.
It's been 10 years
all that money has lost some of its value due to inflation and you cannot turn back time, that money should have funded 10 years' worth of research instead of sitting in the bank
im honesly suprised with stanz twisting himself into a pretzel making excuses for this behavior and jirard, this isnt some small petty drama, we are talking about serious charity fraud, Honestly feels like stanz didnt even understand half of what the video actually said.
I think it's probably a combination of negligence and bad management. I doubt Jirard ever intended to be super involved, he likely just started it up and hoped the team would sort it all. Then he probably said to hold it and find some charity that doesn't put it all into employees and advertising, so the team did that, and no one ever found anywhere suitable so they were stuck in a stalemate.
Theres no benefit to any of them if the money is sitting in an account, just the same as theres no benefit to anyone with Alzheimer's. That said, he should have checked in from time to time, and the sheer length of time makes it very hard to just... Forget.
Especially the fact Jirard has continued to do streams to raise money, why would he even bother with that if he never intended to pay it to anyone, not even themselves?
The Team is his family. Just his father and siblings. Most of them are more or less successful business owners btw and definitely should know a thing or two about accounting. At the very least they should know enough about it to realise they suck at it. Because of that I have a hard time to believe that this is all just incompetence. They should know.
Jirard is also not just some guy in the foundation. He's the director and this job comes with legal responsibilities that he definitely didn't even try to fulfill. Not even knowing the financial state of the foundation you direct for eight years is not just a "whoopsie, I thought others would figure it out" type of deal. It would've taken him less then an hour every year to just go to the bank and ask for the current balance.
The thing that really bothers me is that Jirard specifically namechecks multiple organizations during the fundraisers. Organizations they weren't actually working with.
It’s crazy he hasn’t donated the money. Lets hope what he’s saying is true and it IS sitting in a n account waiting to be donated. But the fact he hasn’t donated it at all since the video dropped is worrying
Honestly not that crazy. It’s getting blown WAY out of proportion by people sniffing for Drama.
I'm curious if the money is there.
@@Zanroff Given the tax filings saying the money is there, it would be a massive legal issue if it wasn't.
@@Kyle_116I know.
@@Zanroff Every single person in the video has admitted the money is still there. This random guess/insinuation that something weird is going on is part of the problem. There is no evidence that Jirard has done anything bad, but if the creators just leave it open to the audience to "fill in the blanks" they'll start assuming shitty terrible things that just aren't true.
The completionist can still get out of this as long as he was completely honest about his f up and donates the money I hope he just didn't stick his hand in the cookie jar if he did that his career is over.
He kind of already did, to fund his Indie Land event. Even admitted to Karl "you're not really supposed to do that..." but jutsified it by saying "it was only a few times, and only a few thousand dollars"
The way you defend an obvious scammer is unreal.
I hope they’re charged for fraud . Thieves & scammers
hope this gets an update now that Jirard gave his full response
Jirard's continued silence speaks volumes. Obviously, he has lawyers, but no statement whatsoever after like 8-9 days is a very, very bad look.
Muda really was smoking reefer on this one I think. Feeling like he gets unnecessarily angry at this for little reason.
It’s amazing someone who calls themselves the completionist couldn’t complete giving to the charities he pledged to.
Lmfao should of waited till all the info was out cause they def committed charity fraud
stanz will steal from unicef next to assert dominance
Good video overall, but I feel weird when Mutahar made a judgement on Jirard for assuming it would be drama. Were it me, and Some Ordinary Gamers and *Karl fucking Jobst* pulled me into a voice call to tell me that my organization hadn't been donating funds for 8 years, I'd also be terrified that I was about to be in a career-ruining youtube video. Honestly that whole conversation just gave me the vibes that Jirard was just really anxious and not able to fully think through his responses.
No offense to Karl Jobst and SOG, they do really really good journalistic deep dives... But they are also definitely drama videos.
Thats fair, but that comment also implies that THIS situation is also just drama like the others and makes it seem like Jirard is trying to minimize it when this has potential to be an actual crime ya know
100% agreed
his focus should've been on the fact that the money he's been raising for over a decade has done NOTHING to help the actual cause he claims to want to help. his focus shouldn't have been on his youtube career if he truly cares about the subject
not to mention he literally lied to his fans and there's proof of this. he said he wasn't aware the money was sitting until last year or this year, i forget which. but he was on stream telling his fans "the money is going straight to helping dementia research" AFTER the date he claimed he found out the money isn't actually helping anyone currently
you can look at this and see it as an oopsie all you want. dude knew exactly what was happening and lied about it to avoid taking responsibility, and seemed more focused on his own well being than the research he claims to be so passionate about.
Yeah definitely just anxiety from a guy who doesn’t really know anything about charities being questioned and put under pressure here.
Contrary to the video’s take, I also think it’s completely valid for him to feel like waiting to donating a large sum of money at once will have a greater impact, because a UA-camr donating a huge $600k to an Alzheimer’s charity is newsworthy and could actually generate more awareness, engagement and ultimately more donations.
Look all I'm saying is he comes across like someone kind of anxious about the situation not really knowing the right words to say. That's all. I don't know Jirard's actual mindset, I haven't looked into it enough, I just know that this is how I would probably react to something like this if people in those positions called me into a meeting about it.
At least the money hasn't been spent on other things and still *can* be spent on the things he said they were.@@_WeDontKnow_
It makes absolutely no sense that they had access to the accounts to take money out but every year to spend but never to donate.
i trust stanz i will blindly donate any dollar amount to stanz. it’s like an invest with no returns 😤
"All of the condolences, for sure" lol
Damn, you really just spent the whole video playing defense for him and making excuses for every little point, like saying they just didn't know about that 5%.
His Whole family RUNS THIS ORGANIZATION
I DONT THINK ANYONE IS DOING ANYTING FOR FREE EXPECIALLY FAMILY
SOUNDS LIKE THEY ARE TRYING TO GET ALL THE MONEY TOGETHER BACK?????
At this point they probably THEY LAWYERD UP AND ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY FUTURE STATEMENT
IT DOESNT TAKE 10YRS TO DONATE
I really don’t know anything about Jirard or his content, but I hope this is just negligence that he fixes asap, and not some intentional scam. The fact that his mom had dementia makes me think it wouldn’t be in bad faith, but I don’t know shit about him!
Hope the money gets sent out to where it should’ve gone all along, even if it’s years late. Better late than literally never 😬
God bless Stanz for covering this, and bringing even more attention to something so badly handled
With how hard this guy is defending blatant criminal negligence, I’m more likely to assume this guy also partakes in some sketchy things lmao.
im not saying the guy is scamming. what i am saying is he knows he looks like he is, hes probably thought about this a lot. you can tell in how defensive he got and how he had the buzzwords and ideas ready. He may not be scamming he may be scamming. But I personally think he knows its shifty and by not addressing it sooner then if hes not scamming the controversy is still his fault
Hey Stanz, this is the Canths channel, please can we get more of him in the deep dive
13:44 this makes me laugh, he's saying that its just a youtuber starts charity and dont know what he's doing. Its been 10 YEARS! :)) and thats their first they got other charities :))
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God, I love these Deep Dives.
Oh my god you have an excuse for every shady move lmao
This would be a lot less weird if it was very clearly just fraud.
It just sucks. The best case scenario is that it is all just sitting in a bank ready to be donated. But the timer is ticking and it becomes less and less likely they even have the money still the longer it takes to donate it.
All we want is for the money to be donated and it sucks it still hasn’t happened.
We dont know the money is there he claims it is there but there isnt any wqy to verify that
Not gonna lie it feels weird seeing youtubers talk about 990 tax forms when I analyze bulk IRS data for my job every day.
To give context for what I am about to say, I've been a nonprofit business data analyst for the past 7 months, and i've done analysis reports on various geographical locations across the US. I highly doubt Jirard is malicious, just misinformed. A lot of people have the idea in their heads that they want their dollar to contribute towards the direct impact, but you need the staff and the overhead to commit to impact. If you look at organizations that purely operate with no overhead vs organizations that have a budget for hiring staff and other overhead costs, you tend to see that charities with overhead do A LOT more charity work than those who do not have much or any overhead. Charity Water is a great example as they are VERY transparent with their overhead costs. Also, a lot of organizations regarding research do have big dollar grants, so Jirards point of wanting to hold onto the money to fulfill one of those grants holds water. Muta's point of critiquing Jirard's desires and points seems somewhat harsh. Albeit, Muta's concerns are valid, but I understand where Jirard is coming from. I just wish Jirard wasn't as much on the defense as it seemed during his discord call. The situation feels very nuanced, and to the regular guy's eye, I would understand the concern some folks might have with asset holdings. Another point: Private foundations are only legally required to give away 5% of their endowment each year, and if that 27k matches up with the asset value for that year and its going towards grants or donations then Jirard is abiding by the law.
On the topic of Jirard only reporting an "expenses" column without a full breakdown, well, that's by design. Private foundations have to file a 990PF which does not require as much detail as a general 990 filing requires. Trying to pin Jirard on that feels out of pocket since the government doesn't even ask for that shit. Should private foundations be forced to file regular 990 forms? Hell yeah, it would make my job a shit load easier, but I find that there are bigger fish to fry concerning the nonprofit sector, especially towards mega churches who basically serve as for profit companies in nonprofit clothing yet they don't need to file a tax form AT. ALL.
The nonprofit world is fascinating by the way. You find a lot of interesting shit. One education foundation reported rent as an operational cost, and when you looked up the address for the nonprofit organization you find a gun manufacturing plant, and if you look at the c-suite of the nonprofit and the gun manufacturer it looks a little fishy :). All in all, its great to exercise caution, but realize that overhead needs to exist to get things done. This feels like nothingburger news, but I do hope Jirard doesn't just hold on to the money like he plans on doing. The good nonprofits of the world could use his help, and he can be a great donor to cover overhead expenses so that more donations can reach the heart of the people.
God this video aged so fucking poorly.
I give Jirard’s career my completionist rating of…FINISH IT
If someone donated 15k year one thats work like 11,500 today thats why you dont hold money ....and befor you say interest the money is in a non interest making account
Fraud is fraud
The simplest way to solve this drama is to ask if the charity can breakdown what the administrative expenses were.
If the money is still in the account and the expenses were to generate the donations, there’s no reason not to believe the money is still in the account in good faith.
I also think it’s worth being skeptical about where your money is being donated to. Either towards nonprofits or donations towards organizations using it for research.
That's the issue, though -- why *HAVEN'T* they given a breakdown of the administrative fees, like any legitimate charity organization will do?
I definitely want to see what his side of the story is when he's not spilling spaghetti out of his pocket because he's (from his perspective) cornered by 2 people 'exposing' him.
Like, obviously this aint good, but, the fact the money hasn't been wasted makes me think there really is more to this then your standard grift. And, I do get his point about not wanting his money to just "go to some doctors salary" or whatever. We all know big pharma is bullcrap, and if you really were told that your money is going to an overinflated specialist salary like that unless it's a bigger investment, I can see why one might have developed the idea to wait for a bigger dono so your contribution goes to fund like, a big study or something instead.
Not really a viewer of any of the parties involved, but I certainly want to see more about this. As Stanz noted, this is definitely fixable, and at least at this point, the fix is clear.
As far as we know, the money hasn't been wasted.
I hate how stanz's chat is calling mutahar a villain for covering it like the way he is. Maybe he does come off as a bit of an asshole, but what Jirad has done doesn't deserve a light-hearted commentary pointing out an oopsie and be on your way. Jirad and his organisation have taken money from people who supported the message they were saying and wanted their donated money to go to charities to help those in need, not to sit in a bank account and do nothing.
Is this the Fr Ted episode?!?
For real tho, who do people think does all the research? Its drs and scoentists... youre literally paying their salery, to do the job, of doing research... yeah ok some money goes to buying required items to do the job / research... but the researcher does all the work man. I dont like that dudes attitude, talking like he knows what hes talking about rarher than he just read it online 10 mins before.
how is this "youtube" drama, karl and mutahar clearly just point out what has gone wrong without accusations while what he has done is actually criminal.
And having the money just sitting there isn't harmless either as it gets devalued from inflation.
Heads up for if y’all care but Muta doesn’t seem to care to much about people posting reactions to his content. Love the video tho
i think it sounds like the completionist doesn’t have full control of the charity. stanz makes a good point the aggression in the completionists discord responses sounds like the framing earlier in the call might’ve made it sound different
Good to see you got the just of a SOG video. Overly long but still makes a good point. Probably could shave 5-10 min off each
I wouldn't want money for research to go towards researchers' salaries.
Slight disagree with the conclusion there. This may be salvageable if they still have all the money, but its not 100% fixable. Research takes time, and money donated years ago would have had years more to benefit dementia research than money donated today. Theyre still going to have done less good than they could have if they just donated their money annually, and I think that'll forever be a shame for any charity organisation.
And then theres the reputational damage that will stick with them forever, but that part's obvious.
Charity's take up to decades to move money. This is absolutely non-interesting. The main issue here is a poorly managed charitable organization, and the poor management comes from lack of expertise.
This mainly shows how little Mutahar seems to understand how charities function. Especially grant based charities. And also maybe money. I'm not sure he understands how modern finance works. Or accounting... or required documentations. Basically, it's making smoke that's mostly coming from Mutahar opening his mouth and dumping his ignorance for attention.
@@unustheuntouchable Why does it take decades to move money?
@@unustheuntouchable Hey mister expert, you seem to understand how charities function. Are you also supposed to claim for years that you are donating to certain charities and not actually giving them any money?
Why didn't they mention this "decade long process" is underway to the mentioned charities? Why did they instead say they haven't found any right charities to donate to, while still claiming they are donating to specific ones?
13 min in (writing early for the fun of it) and I haven't seen a problem other than some sus replies in a 2 on 1 discord call (where social psycoligy could explain some of it to felling cornered or the like). Giving a reasonable amount of benifit of the dought I have defenatly heard the concerns of finding the right place to support with donations and wanting to do a difference. I don't expect anyone donating to a charity to know it fully and thous just wan't the money to help at some point. Lastly if a content creator is running it then good to hold them accountable but they are proberly focused on the content.
I am here for you
This isn't drama. This is an issue of peoples donated money that are not being used towards what was claimed. It is not drama, it is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.
I think if Jirard donates the money, foul play is halted. Pretty much clears himself for simply not knowing it hasn't been donated yet.
No, foul play is not haulted. He found out the money was sitting in account in 2022. Yet, he went on the 2023 indie stream asking for donations and listing organizations they're partnered with, when they haven't donated jack squat in 10 years. Literal Fraud.
The fact that he didn’t just donate the money after Muta talked to him personally to avoid this entire story from ever existing makes me suspect that there’s something shady going on.
At this point I don’t fully believe that the money still even exists in their account. If it was there, and he truly had no bad intentions, he would’ve donated it as soon as he knew Karl and Mutahar weee working on the story to save his reputation.
Remember: This is not HIS money. He cannot donate. He is the face of the operation, the foundation itself is him, his brothers, and some other family members. According to Muta's follow-up video, Jirard is about 20% of this foundation. He'd have to co-ordinate that with the others.
@@Banazir-uz9zt well sure, but you don’t think he and his family could figure something out to donate the money? It’s only been how many years now?
Bro, this is a scam they don't need an extra employee to scam people
early
Honestly, is the money is just sitting there everyone has barely any reason that complain. It’s stupid. It was a mistake. But no harm was really done. As for the expense thing, you aren’t required to break it down. It just tends to be simpler that way when you’re a larger company.
Inflation has burned a huge amount of money by now. I don't see how you could not see that saying this money goes to these select charities during fundraising is a huge problem when no money does. It's fraud.
Karl Jobst deserves another video where you go over the awful things he's said on discord. screenshots of it are all over the internet
What is it
Who is the "he" here
You mean things that already addressed publicly in a video? Come on man. He might've made some mistakes but he's either debunked or owned up to pretty much everything he's been accused of
@@AmaranthRBY what was it?
It’s not relevant to this case, and quite frankly that is a gross tactic to turn attention away from Jirad.
this sucks man i liked jirard lol
You seem kind of clueless thinking this was all going good and they just don't know how to put the money into effect
He forgot to send the money, thats all.
(I hope thats not too insensitive)
Glad to see stanz reaction to this. Such a scummy thing to do.
Mutahar is a notoriously drama-hungry person, and so I can immediately understand why Jirard would be defense about it. Muta doesn't care about these people, he cares about the video.
Jirad is not your friend.
If by "drama-hungry" you mean gives a good faith effort at producing reasonably critical videos about the social media and tech world where often there's either little reasonable criticism or extremely low quality criticism, and that he has a record of being much much more right than wrong, then yes, he is drama-hungry.
Am i crazy though? I feel like this was a non issue and that guys "expose" video didnt need to exist but he wanted the clicks. Like the youtuber running the chairty didnt seem to have any ill intent, talk with him about it on the discord call, convince him to donate it now, wait to see if he does, if he still doesnt, THEN call him out on it. Right now drama is being caused for no reason and tainting the name of a fundraiser event that didnt even need tainting. But now it has been so itll probably get less donations going forward even though, again, there did not seem to be any ill intent. The youtuber running it was hopefully educated during the discord call, you just gotta hope he does better. If he shows disregard in the future for what he was taught, then you tell people the issues.
dude get jirards boots out of your mouth
This whole thing did feel a bit fishy. It’s not like Jirard didn’t do anything wrong, but it being framed as malicious fraud as opposed to a potential mistake just felt like jumping the gun. Muta has done it before, but Karl?
I mean again, Jirard isn’t financially literate as he should be, but it did sound like he was trying to be discerning about his donations. A lot of charities DO just use the money from donations to pay their salary as opposed to research or advocacy.
except jirard literally admits he knew the money was there since 2021, thats 2 years ago, and he still continued the event and claimed they were donating it
I can't blame the guy for immediately being on the defense and thinking its going to be used for drama, because Mutahar is a vulture whos wants to be coffeezilla and farms drama, digging up a story out of what seems to be bad management from people who are new to running a charity???
It's not a charity if you don't actually give to charity. It's just a scam.
Bad management of a charity is bad! Imagine if none of the money ever got donated and it just sat in some account forever -- that would be really bad despite it also being true that no one stole anything. It isn't unreasonable to expect that charities are not badly managed lmao.