What happened to Brendon Hartley in Formula 1?
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2021
- Often described as one of the unluckiest F1 drivers of all time, Brendon Hartley's F1 career only lasted a little over a year. I have been harsh on this guy before, during and after his F1 tenure...but was it warranted? In this video, I aim to find out...
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Brendon was unlucky. Not even a question. Despite the fact he had been waiting for a seat for basically SIX years I thought he still showed fantastic talent. And he justifies that every race in WEC.
Not sure seeing all the other red bull talents who got scrapped - I think he got the same inhuman treatment from Helmut
@@benjicool2808 well there are only 2 seats on the rb team, not 100, only the top best get the seat
@@titariko4380 you're right, it's ruthless but it's a dog eat dog world. You only get 1 chance and you gotta take it. Its tough but everyone knows that's how it is
@@titariko4380 you only get a seat when you are ready to ruin your Carrer as an Racedriver and start your Carrer as an PR Driver.
F1 is for me Not really a competitive Motorsport.
Its more a advert to all the big Sponsors.
@@titariko4380 there is 4
I'd imagine it was a bit difficult for Hartley to improve his racecraft and race pace when a third of the races he'd have mechanical failures or be on the butt end of someone else's crash
This is the best point that I have seen made here.
Yupp. On paper his results looked dismal, but even taking the consideration where he’s been out of F1 cars for so long and got a sudden call-up, 2 points on a third-rate car is very good. Can’t even imagine how many points chances he lost with unreliability and faultless incidents
True. I can't rate him simply because he was on the receiving end of an amazing string of baaaaad luck. It makes it impossible to see how well he could drive. The only solution would be to let him drive another season but Red Bull decided to give him the boot so we'll never know.
I remember going to the Renault World Series in 2009 and singling out Hartley for an autograph and a photo because I knew he was the Toro Rosso reserve and figured that meant he was destined for F1. Needless to say, I spent a few years thinking I'd bet on the wrong horse. Then he won Le Mans and I thought "Okay, I bet on the right horse in the wrong race". Then 2017 came around...
hot take: hulkenberg is also a "right horse in the wrong race". he doesn't have a podium in f1 but he is a le mans winner
@@user-zw1op6nz5dhe definitely deserves a podium, it's a shame HAAS won't get up that far this year
When Josh is talking about Hartley's junior career back in 2007 and 2008 yet he only made it to F1 in 2017, you know something went wrong somewhere 😂
When he starts talking about Hartley driving sebs toro rosso you know this whole operation is about to go sideways
The only Hartley moment I remember isn't exactly even to do with him. It's when Crofty said 'Brendon Hartley doubles his points total....to 2'.
This must have been pain for Josh to make.
As a fellow kiwi watching him slowly fail in f1 it was hard
669 likes... not gonna ruin it
@@rodrigosamson8088 no one gives af
You should definitely do a video about Chris “Unlucky” Amon
Was literally going to comment this
Murray Walker used to call him the greatest driver to never win a Gran Prix.
Imagine Russel joins that group…
Oooooooh yeah!
Some driver of that era also told the media that if Chris Amon became an undertaker nobody in the world would die
0:40 "GT specialist" * checks notes * man literally never drove GTs.
Lol
Didn't need to. Some people you can tell by their driving style
@@jensenatkins8936 I'll take 500 IQ defences for the same number, Alex
He did and he won the 2017 24h of Dubai in a Porsche GT3R 991 Gen 1.
Deserved another year in F1 … he just needed more time to adapt from WEC to F1.
Picking a B-spec as your team would always a huge risk because if you failed running in standard, you just putting junior academy driver on jeopardy
I mean, he has his success in Toyota now, why should he take another risk
@@dhupee I think he should have just a seat in ,2022.
@@Ayad719 if he was in his early 20s maybe, but he’s 30 ish now and pretty successful in WEC stuff, so he’s better off there than adapting to F1 again
@@Ayad719 Eh there's really no reason for Brendon to go back into F1 if he's legit happier where he is right now in WEC with Toyota, it's like that saying goes "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
The real gift from New Zealand to the racing world is Scott Dixon, one of the best IndyCar drivers of all time
I'd say it's Bruce McLaren
Without him we might not have had drivers like Fittipaldi, Hunt, Lauda, Prost, Senna, Hakkinen, Hamilton, Raikkonen, etc break through
Some already had titles prior to being with McLaren, and won titles with other teams, but those drivers marked history with the team that a New Zealander founded in the UK
@@nunyabusinessmate420 Who says there can’t be two? Both are absolute legends, imo
@@RogueInfern0 I'm not saying Scott Dixon isn't a legend, he's brilliant and I'm glad to see a fellow Kiwi racing in America's top open wheel championship
There are many gifts.
Bruce and Denny
Scott Dixon
Chris Amon
Ivan Mauger
Burt Munro
Bruce Anstey
Graeme Crosby
Rod Millen
Jim Richards
...
@@bremCZ finally someone who knows something mentions Bruce Anstey👌 true legend who puts his life on the line. No one really knows him back home. Headlines are filled with rugby and cricket bs.
A Kiwi doesn't win Le Mans accidentally.
Well, maybe Bruce McLaren.
*sad Ken Miles noises*
you probably need to get the REAL story on that race not the "real" Hollywood version. And in that year NZ had the 2 winning drivers plus Hulme sharing the 2nd car with Miles
Bruce Mclaren and Chris Amon 100% deserved their LeMans win.
When he put this up on his story yesterday I thought it was where is Brendon Hartley now
I've thought a bout that a lot of times and here's my take on Hartley: He is an insanely talanted driver. Just the fact that he managed to win a Le Mans 24 puts him in a category of his own. Perhaps a contraversial opinion but I do think that endurance races are a lot more demanding than F1 and by a large margin for several reasons: One is purely the amount of time you spend at 300+ km/h and LMP1(the category in which Hartley compeated) is not that far off in terms of speed compared to an F1 car. On top of that you share the same track with cars which are considerably slower than you. Yes, he drove for Porsche which historically has has conquered the endurance racing world in pretty much all categories but let's not forget that it was Porsche who picked Hartley along with names such as Bernhard, Webber and Hulkenberg. Hartley's problem in F1 was Red Bull/Torro Roso. Both teams have the same issue: They have a number one driver and another driver, meaning they give 100% of their effort to work with their number one, whereas the other is in a "stand there and sit pretty" position. I'm willing to bet he would have done much better in any other team.
very good take here mate
Ok Ima be real. In F1 terms, Hartley wasn't very good. Watching him in the races was.. yeeaah. Yes red bull is a problem. But neither that or the bad luck wasn't going to change much. And to be honest its expected for an F1 driver in a dominant car to breeze Le Mans against a grid full of drivers from lower leagues, unless they face reliability/mechanical problems. I mean Kazuki Nakajima won 3 in the Toyota. No hate but I can't pretend. He simply wasn't good enough for F1.
I would say Hartley deserved a seat more than Daniil Kvyat in 2019. Alas, I think he could have a chance in either a Haas or Williams, or maybe an Aston Martin
@@Madness1299 The funny thing is, ex F1 drivers do not run away with things in WEC. Except for Hypercar now because of how op Toyota are
@@dylantarboton Interesting point, maybe I'm being harsh on Brendan - to be fair he has been thrown around, compared to guys like Lando Norris who has been properly nurtured for formula racing. Maybe he needed time but then again sometimes guys like Fisichella can have all the time in the world and still aren't going to be like Alonso. Especially when Red Bulls Jr academy is throbbing with talent (no homo lol)
I don't give a shit what anyone says, dude is a Grade-A sports car God. He won Le Mans and Petit Le Mans in the same year. Frankly this dude should have taken up the Indycar drive with CGR with Scott Dixon. Woulda been a pretty sick KIWI INVASION
I feel like many racing drivers look at F1 with rose tinted glasses, so many would be happier and more successful in indycar / wec
@@badway420 See: Grojean, Romaine. He looks like he's having 100x more fun these days.
@@alecerdmann8505 Same with Magnussen in IMSA. Honestly sports car racing in general deserves more love and respect. F1 ain't the be all end all
@@Louis_Bautista at this point F1 is just a name and top publicity because of its history. In todays era the best racing doesnt even happen there. Even back in the 80s drivers were recalling that the best racing they had in their careers was either in karting or saloon cars. So f1 is just a show up to this point.
You're right, I totally forgot he won Petit Le Mans! Running with the Tequila Patron ESM squad! Guy has always been a baller in sportscar racing, so hey, F1's loss to be honest.
Surprised you didn't speak about Hartley's 2018 Ganassi Indycar contract. Red Bull actually bought out Hartley's Indy contract, for a rumoured hefty sum, in order to put him in the seat.
Feel like that's important information and perhaps related Red Bull's mindset, feeling that Hartley owed them something more.
Before i watch the video I say that I always remember him for how unlucky he was. Not only with his accidents in 2018 but also the seat he missed in 2009-2012.
Could you do a Sirotkin video? He was dealt such a bad hand in his year in F1
He was very shashliky.
For real. Sirotkin was genuinely decent, in my opinion, even though he wasn't the fastest.
@@hlonim8667 Can you blame him really? He was in the worst car that season
Most absurd part was that he was better than Stroll in qualifying that season. By a pretty good margin too
@@LessGo7921 but Stroll scored more points and outraced him 11-10
@@srxt6758 Point comparisons in a terrible Williams like that is useless
heres my two cents on the issue brendon is a great driver but was always in the worst place at the wrong time which led him to an early exit out of f1 but he does deserve a second chance at f1 he is a speedy driver after all
But who can he replace?
@@williamoneswhannell1060 Yuki, Kimi, Gio, Latifi, even Russell if he goes to Mercedes.
@@Lunarfox Good point.
@@Aurantius_ Eh there's really no reason for Brendon to go back into F1 if he's legit happier where he is right now in WEC with Toyota, it's like that saying goes "if it ain't broke don't fix it"
Should've had another season in f1
Have you changed mic setup? Feels like a pop filter or de-esser would help a little. Hope this doesn’t come across as critical it was just something I noticed. Great video as always :)
0:17 you jinxed the jinx, prime Josh Revell stuff going on here
I really felt sorry for him over the run of races around Monaco and Canada. So unlucky with them.
The most likable part of him was that he sent a video message to the Honda Thanks Day 2018 event despite already being out of Toro Rosso-Honda. I wish he had more chance in F1, but at least he has the best WEC seat for now.
Josh: “Liam Lawson is a driver the entire nation has been waiting for”
*Scott Dixon & Scott McLaughlin have entered the chat*
Still in the F1 Hall of Fame Class of 2019 a huge achievement.
Thank you for representing New Zealand Brendon Hartley we're all proud.
I think for Brendon’s age where he got his full season debut, and like 10 years out of an open wheeler too, he did quite good
Hey Josh, thanks for the opportunity to provide a voice line! Hope I did it justice. Just wanted to say well done for doing our Lord Brendon justice in this awesome video. Looking forward to seeing the next one!
Why is it not call
"WTF happened to Brendon Hartley"
"part of the red bull junior team". That's bad in my opinion, they've messed up more careers than they have made better
Agreed, their best ever driver actually came from the BMW young driver programme.
@@SIXITHS ?
@@robingrevenstuk8673 Sebastian Vettel - his first F1 race was for BMW as well.
he’s not from bmw, he started racing in formula bmw (equivalent to formula 4) as a red bull junior. his test with bmw sauber was a reward for being the fbmw champion
Every now and then UA-cam recommends a race from 2018, and it feels like no matter what random race it is, I hear Crofty going "OH THERE'S AN INCIDENT, IT'S BRENDAN HARTLEY!"
Not to mention ALL the grid penalties for Toro Rosso, especially Hartley, being the guinea pig for Honda to prepare for Red Bull in 2019.
you must remember grid penalty " which followed a run of several engine changes across both cars after the introduction of Honda's third-spec engine.
The upgraded engine had some teething problems when it made its debut but Red Bull and Toro Rosso took responsibility for the flurry of changes late in the year, citing the need for Honda to experiment and address issues as much as possible ahead of 2019.
"You can do many tests at the dyno, but you will never create the same oscillation, you will never find out the real specific drivability of the power unit," Toro Rosso team boss Franz Tost told Autosport."
As a Honda fan living in Japan, I can say many fans here appreciate Hartley's input in the Toro Rosso.
It has been frequently said by those at Honda also, that his feedback on the PU built the foundations for the Honda engine's performance today.
Hartley may not have had a stellar career,
but RB and AlphaTauri sure owe him a lot.
Josh, love the content but we need more of it, especially with this season ;)
Formula One is the most unsentimentally hyper-competitive of environments, it spits out so many potential champions on a never ending conveyor belt.
Endurance racing is a better bet as a driver tbh
I got the chance to meet Brandon back in 2013 at Laguna Seca during the autograph session. He was sitting next to Scott Pruett. Super shy guy honestly. Back then I didn’t know who he was, I was probably 14 years old. I believe he was driving a Daytona Prototype
I first heard of him when he was driving for the Starworks team in GrandAm, and he certainly helped drag them up the order. I believe it also did the same with Murphy prototypes in the ELMS around the same time.
we need a "what happened to Stoffel Vandoorne in F1?"
Pretty sure that one's just "Alonso." Fernando did unto him what Max has done to every teammate since Ricciardo. Add in Mclaren insisting their car was great and you have a driver made to look bad in a car that just didn't give him a chance. Then desperation sets in. Would be great to see Josh's take on it though.
Loving this NZ chat Josh! RIP Akl house prices...Great vid as always!
Hartley was the only driver I've supported in F1 since Damon Hill... I really identified with him getting a second chance and being a driver who has really earned a place on the grid - rather than buying his way in. I wish more drivers would do other series before F1, like Andre Lotterer or Montoya
This is the first video where my name is in the Patreon credits. I have to say, this is very exciting.
I swear this is a reupload. Ain't complaining. Love the videos. Hartley deserved more time
No idea but I assume you're gonna tell me :)
I remain convinced that Red Bull’s reluctance to commit to having him race a full season in GP2 was his undoing. He only ever did 12 GP2 races across 3 seasons. And was never in the series at the start of a season. That would have seriously impacted on his growth and development.
great video as always josh keep them coming
Been waiting for this one. I really though Brendon had a great chance on F1. I hope he makes it back one day if he wants.
Jeb doing his best Hartley impression was pure gold
How unlucky Hartley was?
He was signed to drive for Chip Ganassi Racing at IndyCar for 2018 before Toro Rosso called him and for whatever reason he got, he chose forfeit it for the latter instead. How bad sacrificing contract to race a top level american team for a junior b-spec team could be?
Hartley was outpaced by Gasly and Booted after only a season while Ganassi took 2 indycar championship with Scott Dixon at 2018 and 2020, and in 2021 still one of the championship contender with 3 of 4 of it's driver are on top 10 of the standings, and one of them (Alex Palou, driving the car that was supposedly Hartley drive at 2018) leading the championship...
Now that you mentioned it, That's probably Hartley biggest blunder. Because after he got sacked by Toro Rosso, he wasn't employed and he only manage to get a seat at Formula E for Backmarkers Dragon Racing and even that he's only raced for 5 races. Had he joined IndyCar instead, he'd should've been a race winner. Just look at Ericsson this year
Toro Rosso actually had to pay Ganassi an undisclosed amount of money to release Hartley from the contract literally a day or so after it was signed lol
@@Posirep Makes you wonder why would they do that only for them to boot hartley afterwards...
Well not the first time Toro Rosso did that, as they did the same with Albon a year after. As i remember Albon was already signed for Nissan Formula E team before they come in.
"A high Randy Lanier couldn't offer him" LOL
I’d love to see a video about Kyle Larson or Sergei Sirotkin
Seriously one of the best guys on UA-cam, thanks for the great video.JDS in AZ usa
My favourite thing to do is compare f1 drivers in their f1 races vs other races. Liam lawson is a great example of the skill level for formula series. In his first race in dtm he won the race. Alonso steps out of the mclaren after so many struggles, wins le man's, and then almost wins indy 500 before engine issues. Grosean, a mediocre driver in f1 get his indy car pole in the first few races. It does show that the level for F1/formula series drivers is crazy high in regards to motorsport World. I'm sure their are lots more examples
Hilarious thanks for this reminder I was shooting at Suzuka in 2018 has some great photographs of Hartley on the hairpin turn.
10:30 the yellow highlight josh used made the french flag look like the belgium flag
Ah yeah, Chris Amon mentions. The man, I think it was Mario Andretti had said, that had he been an undertaker, people would stop dying, such was his bad luck.
U should do videos on old f1 legends from the 1900s and go through there careers
I’ve been waiting for the Hartley mention
Have you ever done a video on Mike Thackwell? Seems to have had an interesting story and a bout of bad luck in F1.
There are 2 things I will say. It can't be understated how great of an Endurance driver Hartley was he was unbelievable in Porsche's LMP1 program. Secondly, the fact he came back from such a set back being demoted from Red Bull/ Toro Rosso reserve driver (only for Alguersuari to get an F1 race seat) rebuild his career and become the first New Zealand-er in F1 in over 30 years is a brilliant story. I think he has a lot to be proud of. I would of liked to see him have a crack in Indycar instead of going back to the WEC I think he would of done really well there.
given that he'd been out of single seaters for so long I think he did an admirable job. had a lot of bad luck and deserved to have another season IMHO. actually went faster after he had a haircut! there have definitely been a lot worse drivers in F1!
At this rate Josh is gonna cover all Kiwi drivers to have ever turned a wheel in a racing car before he does a profile on Hülkenberg.
The wait for Dixon's Driver profile begins.
You should do a video on thruxton and wether it should be built up to f1 standards considering the track is known for its high speeds.
Ever considered doing a video about New Zealand's might impressive looking Superstock racing? I mean, they're single seaters, so there's some sort of relevance there right? I know I'd find it interesting to know more about one of New Zealand's most popular forms of motorsport!
the ads were timed so perfectly in this video
Watching Hartley in F1 was painful because I know that he could've done better. What a sad time.
I'm surprised you've not done a video on Scott Dixon yet
I will add Brendon was not only unlucky (accidents and human error etc) but he also had a weak personality. Together, it is enough to undo someone with skill (negated by bad luck on paper) as other factors come to play to sway the decision making.
Not only in F1 but in every working career strong management relationship through "Personality strength" and "Political strength" is required to survive.
I and many will say "Work" is only half the job, the other half is "Political".
Can you do a video highlighting where it all went wrong for kvyat
Idea: WTF happened to Mike Thackwell
That lad would be very interesting to cover
I was surprised Josh didn't mention Hartley's IndyCar contract. Other comment already explained about the debacle because he already sign a seat that podium and race win is a possible on regular basis just like his hayday on LMP1, even more so when he's supposedly teammate was a New Zealand's racing legend Scott Dixon. Instead he throw away just because he wants to race in F1, and look what he got with his F1 contract...
Solid Randy Lanier reference! 👍
Dear kiwi god, how do i find the sound effect at 10:31? I just love it 😂
Im here because Lord himself just finished testing Alfa Romeo F1 car and this channel is about to explode !!!
Please make a video about one of my favorite driver juan pablo montoya. I think he's really underrated
I too always felt that Hartley was more unlucky than just plain "bad". I'm happy for him that his sportscar career has been much more successful.
To be Honest this guy is the best f1 youtuuber ever in my opinion, even better than wtf1, etc. so funny as well
and easy to understand
Epic work, been waiting for this to come. 👍
The fact you also said Aotearoa does it for me ❤️ anyways love the content keep it up!
so cringe
@@laki5717 so is your dad kido
awesome video, on the evidence of his post F1 career he is definaetly more of a sportscar racer
Give him chance to play or sing in a glam hair rock metal band, he deserves it.
Hi Josh do you think New Zealand should host a F1 race maybe alternate between Melbourne and New Zealand?
3:53 What's that black thing on the car that has the Mercedes Benz logo on it?
Interesting fact is Hartley was signed to drive in Indycar with CGR prior to being offered the 2018 seat at Toro Rosso
A great video, but you really do need to buy (or even make) a pop filter for your mic.
I had no idea he actually got a taste of F1 equipment far earlier then 2017 (Even driving the Mercedes). Also, props for remembering Jaime's Music career (His debut song is still slaps BTW)
Maybe Hartley is yet another case of someone who was more of a Sports car driver then F1 (which makes it criminal that as far as I'm aware, nobody has picked up up for a LMH or LMDH seat). Also if I'm honest: That dude's hair was Majestic. Its on the same level of swag as Mike Thackwell and James Hunt.
I would love if you do an episode on Stefan Bellof. He certainly does not have the recognizon he deserves and I think ur videos and chanell would certainly help to attract more attention on him.
So relatively unknown fact in the F1 world maybe, but Brendon Hartley was tapped on the shoulder by top IndyCar owner Chip Ganassi to drive the #10 for 2018. But at the 11th hour, the opportunity to drive full-time in F1 with Toro Rosso came in. And we know how that went. Ganassi instyead went with Felix Rosenqvist, who left the seat a few years later. However...
The #10 in IndyCar just won the 2021 Championship with Alex Palou at the helm.
Could Hartley have brought that car success earlier? Could it be he instead of Palou as an IndyCar Champion.
Gotta love those butterfly effects and alternate timelines in the motorsports world.
Video Ideas:1 Could F1 race at le mans
2 Could F1 return to Indianapolis road course/will F1
For Le Mans the cars could compete but I don't know how well they would do because F1 cars wouldn't be able to last the full 24 hours if they were going flat out as they cover nearly half the F1 race distance for the season, so their engines would probably be destroyed if they ran at full race pace so would need to reduce power so the prototypes might be quicker over a race stint. The cars would also need headlights as you need them one full the whole race even during day. And they need to be closed cockpit cars and have enough aera for 2 seats in the cockpit. The F1 cars would need to change tyres more, if we are going off F1 tyres not Le Mans tyres, but wouldn't have to refuel as much as they have bigger fuel tanks.
I heard him say he’d write a book one day ,I’ll look out for it .
I was wondering if you can make a video about Dennis Hauger ?
I never rated him as a sprint race driver. But he is actually one of the best prototype drivers going. Some of his middle of the night stints at Le Mans have been amazing.
I'd actually like to see a video on why things didn't work out for Sebastian Bourdais. If he's known by anyone in the US, it's for his 30+ IndyCar wins and 4 consecutive Champ Car titles, and his accomplishments in sports car racing. Always thought it was a shame F1 didn't work out, since he'd succeeded at so much else.
Motor racing isn't just expensive (ukspinsev) in New Zealand. But microphone pop filters are only a few bucks.
What a coincidence. I just watched a video about Brendon Hartley today and then this came up.
I really like Josh's videos on You Tube. They are verry informative and you can see that he spent time searching for information.
The videos themselves are done great and I love to watch those because they are interesting and also funny, due to this special sense of humour... #lord_mahaveer #sean_galeal #sir lancelot
You are doing a great job and I'm always happy to see a new one from you! Keep it up and greetings from Germany👋👍😀
He was highly rated by the Honda technicians in his feedback on the development of the eng.....power unit.
Surely on of the best races from down under would be Scott dixon in the indycar series and already classed as a legend even with him still competing at the top of the series?
we need a monaro racing series
So early 2000s V8 Supercars, with 2 doors and superchargers
I can get behind that
Hartley getting the toro rosso drive is the main reason i became interested in f1. It was gutting to see him loose his seat but its understandable.
Still love f1 and with the talent lawson has been showing i doubt we’ll have to wait long for another kiwi on the grid
>New Zealand's gift to motorsport
Scott Dixon is about to come to your house and be violently nice to you for forgetting him