FFXIV: Bard COMPLETE Shadowbringers Ability Reveal Overview & Thoughts
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CRIT CHANCE IS NO LONGER REQUIRED FOR REPETOIRE STACKS. 40% CHANCE. MISSED IT. SORRY
as in 40% chance from DoT ticks?
@@milkyandco Yes. Just from the regular dot tick. 40%
Wowww we're gonna be sooo busy with button spamming
@@akmalahmad2365 as if we weren't already married to heavy shot.
Refresh is gone too yeah? I didn't see that mentioned.
The one Bard change I wish they would do for SB is give us back Wide Volley over Quick Nock. It can have the same potency and range or whatever, I just want that animation back
Absolutely agree. I was so sad when they removed Wide Volley but kept the lame Quick Nock
I loved wide volley..
5:51 i feel like I'm reading a modern yugioh card smh
I know exactly what you mean lol. Yu-gi-oh cards are like freaking legal documents now...
Bard is one of my favorite Final Fantasy classes along with Dancer and Summoner. My favorite iteration of it is with Deuce in Final Fantasy Type-0, so the fact that Bard has never really been a Bard and has always been a Ranger in Bard's clothing is something I've been very tolerant of in the past. I tried it back in 2.0 days gave up on it during 3.0 content because I just didn't really want to play Ranger. Stormblood gave me a reason to reinvest in it, and I did so now that the musical aspects of Bard were no longer dinky, optional support moves that actually hurt you when you didn't need them. It was a nice change, but after getting over the shiny new musical aspects that complimented the Ranger aspect of the job, I kinda felt the same as I did after 2.0: I'm not playing a Bard, but a Ranger in Bard's clothing.
This gives me a ton of frustration, not because I don't think Ranger deserves to be a job that exists, but that the fact that it's named "Bard" when it's really not a Bard just means that we'll never actually get a legitimate Bard wielding a flute/harp/other instrument and using musical attacks. I can understand others seeing this as possibly petty, or whiny, but I honestly just wish the job were called what it is: "Ranger" and not what it isn't: "Bard" so that the room to have a real Bard become a job was still open.
With the reveal of 6.0 Bard, I was honestly hoping that many of their actions would get upgraded to musical attacks. Instead of Burst Shot, it could've been something like "Song of Pain." Foe's Requiem could've been changed to be an upgrade of Quick Nook. And following a theme like that, I would totally have been on board for 6.0 Bard alongside Dancer.
Idk I guess it is being kinda whiny. Maybe a future expansion may finally see the Bard blossom into something more fitting, but until then I think I'll just keep Bard leveled on the back burner for that eventual "maybe."
I’ve literally been saying the same thing since ARR
I remember when I was first starting out back in 2.0 and seeing the bard relic weapon, how it turned from a musical instrument into a bow and vice-versa. This was before I'd even leveled up the class/job so I knew very little about beyond it being a "support DPS", but it gave me the impression that *that* is what the job was about: being able to dish out damage but with a heavy emphasis on the songs.
Hell, back then, I thought most endgame-tier bard main hand weapons would transform into a musical instrument because why not? They're bards, after all, right? Nope. As I'd quickly come to find out, the job seemingly placed a lot more emphasis on the archer side of things than it did the bard-related aspects.
While the changes may work out just fine... We will see... I think taking the group crit away from the songs is a huge hit against the class' identity. Don't bards rally and inspire the group to do better via songs? Go back to the story line when we first leveled our bards. It's was all about appreciating the strength of the songs and being something more than a glorified archer. As we quested, we were shown how the songs affected others. Going forward, it seems like these changes translate into bards wearing headphones while shouting at others to do better through a loudspeaker.
Great phrasing, that's exactly how I felt when I read about the loss bards utility to the party.
yeah, like I don't think 3% is big enough anyway, not sure why it has to be moved. They could have reduced it to 2% but at least it's still there. Also, afaik, bards buff, dancers sabotage. So bards losing buffs feels weird. DPS options still look cool though.
LOL yeah, you might as well be the only one hearing the songs! I feel like ARR bard with each song having a unique effect was the bardiest bard, and ever since it has been less bardy bards.
Bard needed a nerf. The job has been in the meta for far too long.
The soul of the bard is with you indeed. Party Crit is huge alone... but I feel so happy to give my party a well timed army’s paean troubadour. Very sad day for bards. Hopefully the expansion changes my mind.
pre-vid: I'm afraid about the changes and brd vs mch/dnc
post-vid: Brd, now with 200% more refulgent arrows.
Still a bit afraid about it's place next to Dnc and Mch for raiding tho...
Why? MCH deserves a win, step down for a sec its okay.
@@IBoondockI hahaha; i play both atm, but Brd was my first job so i'm biased xD
As much as I like some of the changes, I feel like they have removed the "support" aspect from Bard :( I loved being support dps on Bard.
At least we still have warden’s paean and that increased healing potency buff
I feel the same way. I've played Bard since ARR and have always enjoyed the support aspect of it. It made me feel like I was contributing in a great way, other than just being an extra DPS.
Feel the same. Sure, we get more DPS, but it cost us the job's core identity.
Pheng Vue they nerf those and give trabadour to all range dps....
Kinda worried about this now. I thought for sure the new AOE would be some sort of mass dot or Ironjaws like effect to help keep the classes dps going and smooth out the AOE rotation. With the 2.5 GCD it takes 5 seconds per mob to apply dots. By the time you get to the 3rd or fourth mob you haven't contributed much, if any, AOE damage and the first mob you applied Dots to is already nearing the end of the dot time. An AOE Ironjaws or way to help spread the dots from one monster to another would greatly help with DPS and help smooth out the AOE rotation.
Removal of all the classes party utility outside of Troubadour seems like a bad move as well. If Bard is still the second to last class in DPS and now lost its raid and dungeon utility I am not sure I want to keep playing bard no matter how 'fun' it is. At least Samurai gets to deal top notch damage while providing no raid utility. What is bard doing if it does low damage, and provides nothing to the team?
I disagree. The potency and removal of the proc-based system should more than makeup for our lack of DPS. Yes, we lose utility but have gained a lot of self-sustainability. On top of that the removal of TP means we don't have to be stringent with our AOE. Gone are the days of dotting up multiple mobs to enhance AOE spread. AOE utility becomes *Dot main target, Shadowbite, Quick Nock into Rain of Death resets* - While our single target will rely heavily on Straight Shot Ready procs, but with the changes to Barrage and the morphing of SS into RA we can expect to see an increase in our base damage. But we're not the only class to have party utility removed so it becomes less of an issue to have certain roles over others. That being said we haven't lost our spot but rather, there are no longer any strong cases to choose one over the other if our party utility is a bit more streamlined and less emphasized. Depending on endgame content, Troubadour rotation with other classes also has its benefits.
@@DyadintheForce That's one of the caveats I made in the original comment. If Bard is not the lowest/second lowest DPS after these changes I will have less problems with them. But that's going to require quite a buff to personal damage. They are pretty far bellow other classes even in their spike damage phases. They NEEDED a dragoon in party for the piercing attack buff just to get even close to average/below average raid damage. I dont think a few small changes to existing ability triggers is going to make up the damage deficit it has to other classes. or the 3% damage boost it lost with foes requiem. If the changes are enough to buff past these issues than great.
But loosing party utility is huge. It not only gets rid of part of the bards identity but also makes them less wanted in parties. Didn't we go on multiple Bard quests talking about the boost bards gave to their comrades in battle? Battle songs that changed the tides? People wanted a bard for its abilities, definitely not its damage. If Bard damage isn't greatly increased why would anyone want a bard in party when they could get a dancer? They have the same Troubadour effects, as does machinist, but they also provide the dance partner buff. In fact why have ranged DPS in the party at all if they lost most of the other party utilities like Refresh, tactician, ect. Why not just go with higher DPS melee/magic jobs, and use Dragoon/Ninja who retained their Utility spells.
While it may no longer technically be a 'proc-based' system its still a %/chance based one. You still have a higher chance to reset the timers based on the number of dots you have applied to enemies. Nothing has really changed with regards to needing a bunch of mobs dotted up to reliably/quickly get resets on timers. They just wont be quite as random.
I know potency isn't the end all be all but the highest potency attack Bard gets is Apex at 450? Even Dancer has higher potency attack at 600. Black mage is at 750, Samurai over 1000. Not sure how bard is going to scale damage wise at end game, have to see it first, but without unique party utility it has a lot of ground to make up to warrant a spot in any raid party. You don't need a bard for a troubadour rotation. You could just have multiple dancers or machinists ha.
Where to begin with this...
1. You won't be spamming dots on mobs anyway. You'll apply both to your primary target for Shadowbite and you may use Stormbite on one or two more but otherwise it will be Quick Nock spam given its buffed potency as well as the new chance to proc Rain of Death. Line that up with Mages + 2 dots and you'll have 1 35% proc chance + 2 40% proc chances every GCD. You also have Apex which is very strong; 450 with zero drop off and can be prepped beforehand. Nearing the end of a boss, just start storing it up and enter the next wall to wall pull with 4 or even 5 of them ready to go. Potentially 5 gcds of 780 potency per gcd before you consider dot ticks and Shadowbite. BRD will be fine.
2. The job has seen substantial potency buffs that far in a way surpass the effective 4% buff we got from Disembowel. We're literally less reliant on DRG+SCH. That's a huge plus.
3. Party utility is still there; Battle Voice was buffed, Minne was an amazing ability in SB - the nerf sucks but it still remains a nice part of our toolkit. Troub remains and no longer is tied to the song you're in which is a massive buff.
4. You cannot compare potencies between classes/jobs. For starters they don't all use the same scale, hell even potencies with a job can use different scales see SMN. Secondly you have to take into account all damage effects present; it's disingenuous to compare flat potencies of one skill when BRD gains a huge chunk of damage from its dots.
5. The vast majority of players complaining about where BRD will fit in the 'meta' do not play at the level where they need worry about it. Either you play at cutting edge prog and thus you already expect to switch jobs routinely or you play in more relaxed environments. Balance in FFXIV has been a strong point for years. You'd have to back to Gordias, ARR DRG or 2.0 WAR for serious issues.
@@TheRikuideFurame
1. If you aren't spamming dots on mobs then you are loosing the dots damage on the mobs as well. For every thing the new system does better it also losses something from the old system. There needs to be a bigger jump than just a few extra AOE triggers to make bard not last place in DPS, especially with single target DPS. Not sure where you got your math for storing 4 or 5 of 'them'? Are you talking about Apex? its going to use all of your Soul voice gauge when used as far as I've seen. Supposedly its going to do higher than 450 potency for every point above 20 on the gauge when you activate it according to the tooltip, but in the media tour build it did a MAXIMUM of 450 potency only when the gauge was full at 100. Not sure if its a bug or an unclear tooltip but either way its a one shot AOE not something you can save up for multiple uses.
2. I am not sure if a few potency here or there constitute a 'substantial' buff. We will have to see. Again buffing something a little and taking away a little makes an even trade not a huge leap forward in damage. Buff Quick Notch, remove dots from multiple enemies. Remove Foe's Requiem, make Rain of Death trigger slightly more often. These are trade offs not huge buffs.
3. Having 3 utility abilities where 1 of them is shared by all ranged DPS is a pretty lackluster set of utilities. Neither battle voice nor Minne effect a party enough to choose it over other classes with better or the exact same utility abilities. Neither are even close to must have skills in the party.
4. That's why I said its not the end all be all. You can't have your cake and eat it to though. You can't say "oh they buffed potency!!!" in your first point then in your fourth attack my use of potency. I also don't understand how Bard will gain a huge chunk of its damage from dots, if as you said in your first post, you no longer need to apply to more than one enemy. Summoner has DOT's too and it has a potency 680 attack. =/
5. Not sure how that makes their complaints invalid. They are the most hardcore players, Square needs to be just as attentive to their needs as the general population. If a jobs not playable at the higher levels that's a problem that should be addressed. Not ignored because the class is fine for easy content. FFXIV has been 'balanced' because its main gameplay and challenges are easy to beat, not because the classes themselves are balanced. There is a huge difference between those places.
Its just really silly to me that the Bard has always been a Ranged support class. It's Class quests are all about the Bard being more than just a fancy Archer. They inspire and rally the troops around them to great deeds. Their songs encourage their comrades. They lost a lot of identity here. They may as well just be wearing headphones singing to themselves at this point.
Enderzt I agree I get nervous about the loss of buffs but the potency issues will absolutely be a wait and see.. the bards biggest dps strength is it’s mobility and lack of cast times/positional so depending on the encounters bards uptime could be significantly more than many of the other DPS..
Just something to keep in mind
I just started the game a month ago and bard is my favourite but thx developers for turning the most fun class in a non support and spamm arrows amigo.
To reassure everyone who is having doubts about BRD right now I want to make a few points.
1. BRD isn't the only class to have party utility removed. This means our slot in endgame content is indeed shaky, but it also means it's not lost either. In fact, this design change seems to coincide with the direction that they don't want raids to have to rely on certain compositions for it to work. In this sense, it'll become okay to bring any role, especially with the convergence of R.DPS role actions.
2. DPS has become more of a self-sustainability system. With the removal of TP, we can now worry less about budgeting our actions and focus more on doing things. AOE rotation will be less about dotting multiple mobs and more *dot main target, Shadowbite, Quick Nock into Rain of Death* -- Subsequently, we no longer have to worry about catching procs. SSR is our main proc, but with the changes of Barrage and removal of SS entirely (becoming RA) we can hope to see a lot better damage potency. To me, the design is meant to make us feel like we are doing more rather than being in the raid.
3. Some are saying that since we lost our crit buff party/raid utility, BRD has seemingly lost its class identity of support. But I disagree. Troubadour rotations will become a thing depending on how end-game bosses are designed. Battle Voice still has a potent raid utility, and of course, a huge part of being support is actually doing damage. While we don't have final numbers, I'm hoping that with these design changes we can be a bit more competitive on the DPS front. I doubt that they would purposefully remove some party utility and keep us on the low end of the DPS chain.
I don't think I can thank you enough for this insight, and extra thought. I tunnel visioned into solely the crit potential, and chose to close out the other 2 party utilities, and then wanted to piss and moan about dancer (though I'm definitely getting in on some of that dancer). Thank you for these thoughts, and I'm even more hyped!
I'm leveling bard right now (lvl 68) and intend to switch from NIN as my main for ShB. A lot of people are scared about changes to their jobs and I appreciate your voice of reason among the fear.
All bard is now is a shitty bottom tier dps. Why in the hell would i take a bard over a dancer now in my static? No point.
That’s where you are SO wrong
That Trabadour of yours, other MCH and DNC have them with different names called Tactician and Defense Samba.
SE bas screwed us over and now we are just a pew pew glorified ranger.
I’m pretty okay with the changes for BRD since I main it. It is gonna feel weird not being able support the party as much as before. But at least it’s not gonna go back to being a caster from HW. BRD will forever be my main 👌🏼
I’m also digging the artifact gear! :O
This was very helpful!! Thank you very much!
Honestly even with it lacking a few things I wanted, I'm super hyped about BRD now. It might even bring me back to it for a bit.
*And then he watched the Dancer breakdown*
I don't know about these changes. I'm pretty sure it's that crit rate buff from the songs that got me commendations as the bard, among other support abilities like Refresh and Tactician. The bard feels like less of a support do without those abilities.
Some great quality of life changes, but I hate how they removed Bard's support seemingly to make Dancer the more support heavy job. Sure it got a buff to battle voice that's nice and might put it a bit above Machinist on utility, but Bard was always meant to be a utility based job. I'm okay with Dancer being better for that if it's does less damage, but I'm not okay with removing all the effects of songs and removing foes requiem entirely so "battle voice" is the only thing that really feels like a Bard anymore. It's just an archer with one or two utilities now, I'm not worried about it being "meta" I just want it to have a bit more utility even if it costs some damage.
While I love to know our rotation really has little changes, the loss of our support identity is not something im please with.
I think AoE sidewinder is actually a bit more creative than a bard version of bane! Scratches that bane itch without actually flat out implement a bane mechanic. Was (and still am) afraid bard was losing its utility/party support identity, but I guess its enhanced battle voice can be thought of as that and makes up for the losses. It still has regular use of nature's minne and warden's paean after all.
basically dancer is the new bard and bard is the the new archer :/
So they have removed and reduced bards raid buffs and tweaked certain abilities to make it easier to play? I don't like these changes right now and a gauge for only one ability? What was SE thinking with that one?
I agree with this right now. Until I can put hands on to feel out these changes, it looks like what you said. They nerfed bard slightly, which buffed a lesser performing players ability to play the job at a high level, but the nerf is still a nerf.
They changes to the raid buffs are gonna make bard become again a rarely used job because of lack of increase in raid damage, while MCH makes up this with the potency damage they will now be able to do and DNC just is getting good from both potency and raid buffing. Also if you haven't looked SMN might be a meta job now just for Devotion which increase damage by 5%.
goodbye support bard. we will miss you.
pff, i want to be more support, that's what bards are for, i'm so sad :(
dancer taking that spotlight now boiii
Kills a little bit of the doubt I had in the class after hearing its support aspects removed. Have not seen the DNC and MCH yet, but still fear BRD's life my be nonexistent anyways. Time will tell.
No more killing your own party on White Hole effects just because you were accidentally in Mage's Ballad when you used Troubadour ^-^
FUCKING ..! This, yes, exactly! And what was especially irritating for my group was that we couldn't figure out why we were dying to White Holes for the longest time, until I actually red my Troubadour ability.
Mages Ballad (The blue skill, usually associated with magic) : Increases party HP.
Wanderer's Minuet (The green skill, usually associated with health) : Increases party Magic Resistance.
WHY.
Yeah, accidentally...
Feels like it's just DPS now. Uuugh. Can we just rebrand Bard to Ranger already?
I think that's intentional though... MCH is supposed to be the "selfish" ranged physical dps with little to no support, followed by BRD who brings some support but mostly dps, and lastly comes DNC which is supposed to bring the majority of the support with much lower dps than BRD and MCH. Despite losing a lot of support to make way for DNC, I don't think BRD can be considered just a ranger yet, I mean you do still technically bring some support. Besides, I'd much rather be a talented musician with archery skills over an attention whore just frolicking around on the battlefield wearing almost nothing. (I obviously don't like the DNC, the whole idea around them just never really clicked with me).
@@Mattbo9693 - Maybe, but in the context of FFXIV, there's literally nothing in BRD's kit anymore that makes its support options stand out from any other straight DPS classes like NIN or DRG. In fact, now that I think about it, DRG even has Battle Litany, which is exactly just Battle Voice.
The amount of work would be immense, and I honestly don't expect it, but I would prefer they just called BRD Ranger (RNG) now and opened it up for an actual BRD to exist in the game.
@@Mattbo9693 NIN has more utility
@Neos Geos they do more dmg and still ar bottom tier dps and now have close to 0% party utility lol
@Neos Geos The thing is they used to do crap dmg with utility now they do crap dmg with no utility.
Now I have to wonder. "Why bring bard into a raid?" DNC seems to do better raid buffing. With MCH doing more damage. Leaving Bard in the middle of the road.
leaving bard in a ditch
Well, on the bright side we can hope Bard scales well at high item level- oh wait, they ruined crit for us. Nevermind.
"Leaving Bard in the middle of the road.
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It was speculated that this would be the case and seems that's what they're aiming for. It could still result in BRD being desirable in optimised runs.
Agree with most below unless there dmg went significantly higher they have no role in raids now
You should be able to barrage apex arrow, so their dmg got substantially higher. Also battle voice is still gonna be great to have ofc
Edit: nevermind apex is an aoe so they got me
@@JesseAnderson though Battlevoice can affect yourself telling from the tool tip, is it going to be dealing as much damage as a DRG? as a SAM? MNK? then why bother?
Will miss a couple things but it certainly got some great QoL changes that I'm excited for. Was just thinking I hope they realign the DoTs against all levels and so we got that as well as not having to manage SS. That rework is great to see. I think Bards will still be competitive in group makeups but it does depend on how DNC and other jobs are as well.
Bard is going back to Archer rather than Bard as the Songs can no longer provide any utilities to the party members.
Exactly. I'm really curious as to whether or not they will change the bard leveling quest line, because it's all about being a bard and not an archer.
Honestly I'd prefer this class to be more of an Archer. The songs are useless unless you're doing "party" related things, and alone the damage done compared to other classes is "meh".
Joy Ward if you want the range damage you can just play MCH?
Bard has always been the lower dps support since 3.0 onward and even in 2.0, they were not the top.
People want to play the job exactly for the reason as its name and description.
Apex Arrow a GCD/Weapon Skill? GOOD
I wonder how much damage a full gauge Apex Arrow will do when combined with Barrage ;)
Class no longer full dependent on Crit maxing, so I guess we may see different builds now.
Barrage effects single-target Weaponskills, Apex Arrow is a line AoE Weaponskill. So Barrage will still be used for Refulgent Arrow.
I’m going to miss requiem, miseries end, refresh, and the passive buffs
I totally underestimated how much I would miss them
Hrothgar bard looks nice!
Hi Mrhappy, with these changes, do you feel that Dancer will replace bards in statics? Based on your overall viewpoint?
Bard main
Sad about changes. Especially the loss of passive 3% crit buff to others and foes.
I play bard for dps as much as I like to support others.
I feel (hope right term) like bard now homogenised like it's just one of the normal dps. Also I liked piercing slashing etc. It's good to have synergy between certain classes. I'm still excited but feel like bard is less bard and more a dps
Sorry but Piercing was very bad for the game as a whole. You might have enjoyed it, but it skewed the player base for years because dragoon and bard were permanently locked in the meta, simply because of crit synergy + piercing. Now that its gone, the game can finally stabilize.
@@Goujiki Why would you like the synergy between certain classes? That's what makes some (key word, some, not all) raid leaders or PF leaders place such strict rules, such as wanting BRD/DRG combo. This was a meme with the community, but some would actually exclude someone simply cause they played something like SAM or BLM, whom don't have any synergy with anyone. One could argue that SAM gave the slashing debuff, but let's be real, there's almost always a WAR in the party to already provide that and thus, people actually supported these skewered views that SAM didn't have a place. Now all have a place. Though I'd argue that Ninja is still going to be 100% forever part of the meta simply due to Trick Attack's existence (regardless of this fact, I see it the least of all jobs alongside MCH). Dancer might push itself there, but I don't want to say 100% seeing what happened with Bard. Still, I feel for Bard mains regardless of me not agreeing with your stance on piercing/slashing. Bard's identity was basically stolen by Dancer.
did it say anywhere that you cant barrange apex arrow cuz thats all im thinking about rn
In theory you can cuz it's a weapon skill unless they change it to an ability
It says single target weaponskill, Apex is an AoE
Still no aoe dot for using during ballad for rain of death spam, but overall I'm liking the extra. That said, it's not enough to pull me away from Gunbreaker and DRK in ShB.
fuck why Misery's End dammit I love that skill.
I hate it. Removed almost all support utility :(
Hi wasn't said in the video did bard lose the refresh song or is it still in game?
Wait, does Battle Voice also affect yourself though?
reading that tooltip the answer is definetely YES
Knights187 noooooo no it doesnt
2:04 what armor/bow is this?
Pretty sure the characters were outfitted with the AF4 sets for each Job, need a confirmation from someone that was actually there though.
So what do the songs do now if they don't increase crit? Are they just for the different stack from each song now with no more party buffs? I am super familiar with bard so sorry if this is a stupid question.
No party passive party buff, they're just for the brd's dps now. They buffed battle voice so it shouldn't necessarily hurt brd as much as people seem to think
Can’t wait to be a bunny Bard/ bunny dancer 😁
Thanks for putting out these videos, pretty awesome man. I was disappointed about removing the crit buffs and executions. I was afraid I would not like the bard changes but so far, so good overall. What about DPS role abilities, is there any info on that?
Same. Wish bard got a way to refresh or spread dots on a group. Another AOE isn't bad but a way to spread dots would have been nice.
GreyFox23 that would be way too OP
yea, like way too powerful.. can't think of a single class that has that.. oh wait i can think of two.
iGGy eo LUL great burn because SMN and SCH have abilities tied to their dots... oh wait THEY DONT.
Just use your head a little dear, imagine it, have dots across 10 mobs on a BRD, that’s insane how many procs you would get for ballad. ESPECIALLY with the changes.
Take several seats and think before you speak honey.
BRD seems to have gotten faster in ShB. I like it.
They kill my job ;_;
they literally barely changed it
@@sawtoothgrind1981I understand that Ast and Sch got it FAR worse, but this is still an impactful amount of changes. The reduction on crits and utility will strongly affect Brd's place In the game.
@@sawtoothgrind1981 Yea they did? u didn't see? its called Ranger now
i feel you brother. Ninja has more utility than Bard now.
Did you watch the video??? The songs are still there! no more rng. NO more oh RNG fucked you so heres your raid wide wipe sorry bud.
Ooh, boy. This makes me very happy as a Bard main.
OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG 30 second dots no matter what? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That makes me really happy. I will miss Foe's but omg my dots.
thank god!!!!!!
I didn't even like SB bard until 64 when it got 30 sec dots
So the bard's only raid utility now is troubadour which is a shared utility with samba/tactician from dnc/mch? RIP bard
battle voice is still a thing
@@ChairmanMeow420 fair, but it still seems like bard is just gonna be fighting to keep up with mch dps for the whole expansion, while they both sit on the sidelines and watch dancer seduce all of the party comps with all of its utility
Battle voice, nature's minne, and warden's paean are still there.
@@ChairmanMeow420 That's if Battle voice works on themselves if it still doesn't work for the bard also kiss bard goodbye in raiding because the potency is way lower then the other 2 from what I've seen so far.
Just so we're clear, brd will not be irrelevant in raiding. Battle voice is a far better buff to party performance than any of the dnc or mch effects. Please do not fool yourself into thinking a single target buff to crit/dh=superior raid dps. Additionally, each dot tick now has a flat 40% chance to proc. To put this into perspective, brd's critrate at the END of stormblood tended to hover around 40% at BiS. That was with litany, straight shot, and chain strat. This is a massive buff to their dps. It seems pretty clear to me that mch will be the lowest support role of the three with brd having worse individual dmg buffing capabilites in exchange for a raidwide DH buff. This should be very obvious, but the game designers' goal is probably identical to designing ranged phys dps as it is to designing the other dps roles at this point. One class does the most dps but sacrifices raid utility(mch), one sacrifices dps in exchange for huge individual boosts and minor raid utility, one sacrifices neither and just brings a fat raid buff for everyone's opener. You're gaslighting like crazy assuming brd will be irrelevant in raiding, it will obviously be just as good as it has been
They should just separate bard and ranger and make them 2 separate classes
Barrage proccing refulgent is nice and all but since Apex is a weaponskill wouldnt you barrage that instead?
The Bass You can’t since Barrage only affects single target weapon skills and Apex Arrow is a straight line AoE
@@DarkLotusAlpha yeah realized soon enough, oh well
I have my BRD at ilvl 400 but now thinking about changing to MCH. Not sure if I like the BRD changes just yet.
OK I have a question... the new mastery trait for the dots is 35%. now di they stack with the the 40% that they have on the songs tool tip? because if that's the case is 75% chance to proc a dot and my God if that's true bards will no longer be rng
Different procs for different things. 40% refers to your chance to proc a song effect. 35% refers to your chance to proc Refulgent. Still RNG, but smoothed out a little and a very nice QoL buff to Barrage.
@@TheRikuideFurame yeah but the new mastery trait for the 2 dost say add 35% chance to proc. my question is those 35% stack for with the 40% that the tool tip say or are they for completely different stuff. there is my confusion. because imagine that those % stacks bard will be shooting those repertoire every second with all songs
@@rockman2450 I've said it already; they are for two different things. The 40% proc for your songs is a different thing from the 35% straight shot proc.
@@TheRikuideFurame ahhhhh OK, then I read it bad. ty so much for your time
Yea, I hate soul gauge a lot.
Confused :(
A bit confused, does bard still have refresh?
It was removed
Can someone explain Enhanced Army's Paeon to me please?
keep the bonus for the next song depending on the stakes you had for 10s, if you don't play a song you keep a buff for 30 seconds that will give you those bonuses for the next song.
essentially, it carries over for 10 secs.
So ... Bard and Machinist have only a single raid utility now, with the 10% damage reduction every few minutes? While Dancer has crit buffs, damage up buffs, a potent clutch heal (for a DPS) and the same 10% damage reduction?
If Bards and Machinists still have substantially smaller DPS numbers than Ninjas and Samurai considering all their abilities are pure DPS now ... they're going to have a very, very hard time finding raid spots when competing against Dancer.
pison1000 uhh battle voice?
@@jhunjun123 Oh shit, it is there. I completely overlooked it, was looking at all the actions and just didn't see it. Wow, my bad xD
Can't at least ONE of bard's songs have a crit buff? Please? Just a tiny one? Just for flavor?
Bard is my main so I think I will like the changes they made.
"Eh"thos huh.
I kinda feels there's more nerf to bard than buffs, Bard's position of semi utility dps is being replaced by Dancers as there's no longer a party crit chancr buff and Foe's requiem. Tons of skills has been removed including the set crit buff, Misery's End and songs, and these has been replaced by one single new ability that costs gauge. I can see that the SE team is trying to even out Bards damage dealt throughout the fights, but I personally like to slam all the damages and CDs on to enemies at specific a point of the fight.
As someone who enjoys bard as a dps I'm in love ❤. No more RNG is a blessing 😁
But it's even more RNG, because now you have to wait for 20 procs of Repertoire rather than 1 proc of Straighter Shot to properly use your second Barrage.
@@zazikikomo7796 I can see that, my dude. In most content (Im referring to stuff other than raids) how often are you really gonna pop off that apex arrow though? Id imagine barrage+apex would be more ideal for optimization in raids, in dungeouns and such you still would use it on refulgent wouldnt you? Maybe save up for the end of the dungeon for that kind of fire power if you wanted you know what i mean? Im still fairly new to bard so idk 😁
@@zazikikomo7796 +Duncan Keller Barrage won't work on Apex Arrow, it's a line AoE, Barrage only works on single-target Weaponskills, so no you don't have to wait for 20 procs of anything.
I'd rather deal with RNG and have utility than have this. I'm really not feeling this at all, and I played this class since 2.3. The more and more I find out about this expansion the more and more I tend to get a little cringe going, I'm really starting to not like this feeling, and I'm praying it's going to be good. I'll be there early access second it goes live, and I'm gonna clear as much as I can, but if this ends up being watered down doofy dps and tank and heals, I'll be pretty damn sad.
I understand the changes will make BRD's damage more even, but....the identity of the job is gone. I feel like we went from A Tier to why bother?
The damage reduction alone is not a why bother buff bud,
@@vesical7952 I'm not complaining about the damage increase. I'm simply saying that Bard's whole shtick was supporting the group. Every job quest line was about learning songs that rallied the people fighting with you, and now 90% of that is gone. What was the point of all these quests and learning all the songs if they no longer rally the group? The identity of the Bard is gone. I'll still play it and will try Dancer, but it's just ranged DPS now, not the support it always was.
@@chris41952 you are aware they still have utility songs right? Bard is literally the same its just took a blow in the RNG department which is good. ALSO bard is still meta it literally buffs dancer.
Meta has already been set for dnc and bard duo because dancer needs Bards buff to deal more dps then a healer right now. This same shit happened in stormblood where bards feared being useless.
@@vesical7952 the new tool tips for songs show crit and direct damage buffs have been removed. They now grant repitoir that affects ONLY the Bard.
No bard's bane? Buuu
Not gonna lie. I kind of love these changes. Especially how it's been designed around the lack of TP now. So max DPS will rely solely on how well we manage shot priority and Soul Voice Gauge. I wasn't a fan of the "proc style" that largely determined how well our DPS performed.
Don't get why they don't make it so that if you don't have a bard in party you do 50% less damage if in your party 50% more done.
So BRD became a bit useless... Why be a BRD when you can be the reworked MCH....... wanna be support be a Dancer....
Because you enjoy the playstyle? Most of the folks who go on about job viability do not play at the level where they need worry about what is optimal.
@@TheRikuideFurame found the grey parser
@@TheRikuideFurame Yeah guys, incredibly poor design choices is justified by you not being a raider.
@@iggyeo6458 Careful with the projection. ; ) Given how most players struggle to keep their GCD rolling, it's piss easy to parse high.
@Zaziki Komo Define "raider". Most raiders clear content when they're geared 10-20 ilvls above it at which point optimal comp becomes significantly less important. It's pretty obvious the design approach in game has been utility (+ rdps) vs personal dps. If a job loses one, stands to reason it will gain in the other relative to other jobs. Of course, we could gradually remove any unique elements from jobs and then you have perfect balance. Boring as hell, but balanced so that folks can't complain that their favourite job might not be the got to for the first time since Midas.
As Anthony says, why not be a reworked MCH - although he has no real backing for why you'd want a MCH in your group...
no crits? :( But i like crits
Guess Bard still didnt get a knockback prevention
Arm's Lenght is now a Ranged Physical DPS Role Action too, so yea, we got it
Bring back Foes you cowards
Less rng ... thanks the twelve :4
More RNG actually, now.
soooo.. not to pile on, but they've kind of killed the identity of Bard here.. now im just singing to myself for Archer procs? Dancer has a ton of Utility, and the the dancer's counterpart, the Bard, has now been removed from that utility pool?
so, I guess if it's just dealing damage, why play it? it's like a dumbed down version of its former self.. seems kind of brainless.
cue the brainless saying, "buh moar refulgent procz!"
I love the changes to every class, just not these.. we could've at least been in between dancer and mech for utility/damage.. im just disappointed right now. hopefully my mind changes, so ill give it a go when the game drops, but might be changing classes here to something that takes a little more brainpower.
Most classes have been dumbed down gradually since HW unfortunately. Don't think we'll ever get back to that period in terms of punishment vs reward : (. That said, I don't believe BRD in SB required much brainpower relative to other DPS jobs. Optimal IJ usage which was pretty set in stone in optimised runs (remains in SHB), song alignment (pretty static too) as well as general song optimisation (2 proc WM, extra proc in WM etc), clipping SS. Barrage windows were more an annoyance than anything else and whilst the Barrage change makes it very simple, it removes one of the few negative feelings of playing BRD. Otherwise it was a very straight forward job with one of the most accessible skill floors in the game. Removal of Refresh is good for the game, but I'll miss Palisade.
BRD still has utility. BV was buffed (whilst comparative buffs such CS and BL were nerfed, though TA obviously reigns supreme). Minne is still a decent a skill though the nerf makes it a much more controlled CD now rather than the ability you often just kept up in SB. Warden's had its niche applications in Savage and had plenty of uses in casual content at least. Hopefully with the interrupt emphasis, we'll see more uses for it in higher end content. Troub was buffed (I'm assuming its CD will be brought into line for the final build), though it effectively becomes a ranged role skill. Seems pretty clear it's being set up as a middle ground between DNC and MCH. Suspect the former wins out in blind prog, but for farm/optimisation it will come down to rdps balance.
So we are now a glorified ranger rather than a bard.
Me playing Bard from 2.0 raid onward, this is an insult tbh.
They should just say it, screw bard over so that DNC has a place.
The songs dont have to be crit%, it can be other buffs and FR can easily be be instant.
I dont care about that shit Apex Arrow.
Why do I feel like they just made bard a little easier to master and stronger in dungeons?
Because that's basically what they did, at least the first part. Yoshi even said in the LL that one of the reasons for these changes was because some players couldn't play it at the same level as the high-end players.
R.I.P bard /s
Why are your videos so fluffed out. Just get to the point. Go watch Larryzaurs videos