The New Best Value In Bourbon?!

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  • @paulcarder8032
    @paulcarder8032 10 місяців тому +101

    I'm 70 years old and really enjoy your channel. But I don't have the time and income to collect and sample all the Bourbons you show. My choices I buy bottle or two at a time are: Old GrandDad Bottled In Bond, 114, Wild Turkey 101, Knob Creek, Maker's Mark especially the Barrel Proof, Evan Williams Bottled In Bond. An occasional bottle of something else. Keep the show going!

    • @Ronald-pe8di
      @Ronald-pe8di 10 місяців тому +4

      Wild turkey is vg bourbon

    • @DcDayIII
      @DcDayIII 10 місяців тому +2

      Try 1792 Small Batch, it’s a good and affordable bourbon. I always run out and grab a bottle when it’s down to a few ounces.

    • @timmcclay6221
      @timmcclay6221 10 місяців тому +3

      If you like the Evan Williams BIB (which I do). I think the JTS Brown BIB is equivalent and usually cheaper.

    • @tylerscott4234
      @tylerscott4234 10 місяців тому +4

      Paul if you have the opportunity try and get your hands on Wild Turkey Rare Breed, if you enjoy higher proof you will love the Rare Breed and it's not incredibly expensive.

    • @DcDayIII
      @DcDayIII 10 місяців тому +1

      @@tylerscott4234 I bought a bottle last week. It was $59 at my store. Not sure if that was over priced, but it is delicious.

  • @sn1000k
    @sn1000k 10 місяців тому +6

    Warms my humble Hoosier heart to see Kurt so happy in retrospect. I didn't watch it (yet) but I'm glad you guys had fun.

  • @jonclassical2024
    @jonclassical2024 10 місяців тому +10

    Thank you guys....so nice to see something new from KY.......this price falls in my wheelhouse for a retired guy...can't wait to get a bottle!

    • @justinafuchs2619
      @justinafuchs2619 10 місяців тому +1

      Have fun with it! I guess I won’t see it in Germany, we are still some kind of diaspora for „better“ Bourbons. You can find the regular James E. Pepper here, but I don’t expect seeing that bottle - and if it came to Germany, the price point would be over 100 Euro.
      And I wouldn’t buy it for that kind of money, I drink Scotch and Bourbon, and you can get some really, really great Single Malts for 100+ here.
      I‘m more than thankful the owners of Driftless Glen decided to distribute some of their whiskies to Germany, their Ryes are delicious and the small batch Bourbon is really good. But most of the time I watch those videos and think „Yeah, it sounds amazing, but no chance I will stumble over a bottle of this stuff“.
      Well, I guess you can’t always get what you want .. Cheers 🥃

  • @paulpanzarella1295
    @paulpanzarella1295 10 місяців тому +7

    As a digestive specialist, I couldn't help but chuckle when you said that it seared your colon! hahahaha

  • @davevogelsang6791
    @davevogelsang6791 10 місяців тому +8

    The James E Pepper decanter is so good. The juice is fantastic. I bought a backup bottle last week. 🥃

  • @jeffruebens8355
    @jeffruebens8355 10 місяців тому +3

    I live near Lexington. The James E Pepper distillery was abandoned in 1958, similar to the 1957 Chevy worth a lot more than the 1958 from the recession then. It was remodelled in 2019 for 2 restaurants and the smaller new distillery. I watched color TV for the first time in 1967 when I was 8, at a richer neighbor's house. The Munsters TV show was one of the last in black and white, cancelled when the Batman TV show in color had a lot more viewers even though it has more reruns now.

  • @Whiskey_Wisdom
    @Whiskey_Wisdom 10 місяців тому +12

    I paid $59 for this bottle and enjoy it thoroughly.

    • @carlbob-tx
      @carlbob-tx 10 місяців тому

      Same here - Read some reviews, saw it in a local store and picked it up. It's excellent!

  • @jonhohgrefe1437
    @jonhohgrefe1437 10 місяців тому +1

    I love seeing James Pepper on the channel. We loved touring that distillery and their regular rye is on my keeper list. They recently started distributing in MO so it's easier for me to get.

    • @jonhohgrefe1437
      @jonhohgrefe1437 10 місяців тому

      They are also right in the same area as RD One and Barrel House. Great way to spend half a day in Lexington if you make the trip to KY. There are a couple restaurants right there as well.

  • @adamspeas9818
    @adamspeas9818 10 місяців тому +1

    This bottle has become one of my recent favorites! Thanks for another great review.

  • @stymiesnerdly771
    @stymiesnerdly771 10 місяців тому +1

    I absolutely love that bottle, I just wish they were available in Indiana. I picked up my bottle from the distillery back in October, which is essentially when it was released, and now I need a replacement. Yes, it did make Fred’s list, coming in at #25 for 2023.

  • @jsburkhart
    @jsburkhart 10 місяців тому

    I recently got a batch 3 from my local store and loved it. Already sold out but now have a later batch in stock. Was worried the later batch might not compare, but maybe they're all excellent?

  • @nickp5511
    @nickp5511 10 місяців тому

    Great review and nice price! I know it sounds strange but take a bottle of water add about an ounce of lemon juice, ounce of Braggs apple cider vinegar, and a little sugar free sweetener. I drink one in the morning and one in the afternoon/evening. It works for good digestion, acid reflux, and overall health. It stops heartburn as well. Cheers

  • @robertlee6781
    @robertlee6781 10 місяців тому

    I remember the test patterns for the Chicago stations coming on at 5:30 and the sign on with the National Anthem at 6 or 6:30.

  • @keithsmith4944
    @keithsmith4944 9 місяців тому

    Opened mine up recently and it was pretty good. Letting it sit for a bit and will go back.

  • @MrDidro
    @MrDidro 10 місяців тому

    I picked this up in late December here in Arkansas. I think it’s fantastic. I got a good caramel and toffee note on the nose and palate with a bit of sweet fruit. I’d definitely get another when mine empties.

  • @kylewipert11
    @kylewipert11 10 місяців тому +4

    This bottle makes me proud to be from Lexington. They are figuring it out!

  • @matthewhenry6276
    @matthewhenry6276 10 місяців тому +1

    Happy Birthday Kurt. I just celebrated mine and I was able to get a JD single barrel Rye. Ben Holladay soft red wheat and a little Buffalo trace for some birthday gifts. Made out like a king I feel haha

  • @akosmoke2580
    @akosmoke2580 10 місяців тому +2

    Store had a grand opening got in some rare breed. Heard how generously you guys talked about it. Got one last night and wow.. first wild turkey product in the collect and oh my god is it amazing.

  • @ncdorito213
    @ncdorito213 10 місяців тому +2

    Looking forward to this review. I've heard a lot of decent reviews on this and glad to hear this has some different notes and at a great value.

  • @jasonbell5564
    @jasonbell5564 10 місяців тому +1

    I picked one up last week for $69 and it's really great. I will definitely try to get another.

  • @Scoop2992
    @Scoop2992 10 місяців тому +2

    I remember when we got our first color TV.
    Plus happy birthday on the 9th Kurt. A great day for a birthday. We are real close to the same age, and share a birthday.

    • @mneeley490
      @mneeley490 9 місяців тому

      My dad was a salesman for RCA back in the 60's. We weren't well off, but we did have the 1st color tv on the block.

  • @BuffaloBourbonEnthusiasts
    @BuffaloBourbonEnthusiasts 10 місяців тому

    I love this bottle & bourbon! I reviewed it as soon as I got it. One store has it in the area and I can't believe it's not selling.

  • @robertv4673
    @robertv4673 8 місяців тому

    Came back to watch this video again after picking this up for $50 today. Great value! The store I bought it at had over 20 bottles - reply to this message if you're in the St. Louis area, and I'll happily point you in the right direction.

  • @redhead56
    @redhead56 10 місяців тому

    I just ordered 2 bottles for my collection after the Fred Minnick review. Look forward to a taste, thanks guys for the review

  • @jakefluchel756
    @jakefluchel756 10 місяців тому

    I picked up a bottle of their bottled-in-bond and rye while visiting their store. They are both delicious. Next time I am in KY I will buy more and try this too. Thanks for the entertaining videos!

  • @Robert.Sheard
    @Robert.Sheard 10 місяців тому +1

    We watched the first moon landing in black & white. Yep, I'm old.

  • @ASerfling36
    @ASerfling36 10 місяців тому

    Website states a minimum of 5.5 years. Picked up 2 when it hit near me. Love the bottle. Really enjoy the nose and palate. More of this in 2024 please!!! 🙌🏻🥃🙌🏻

  • @paullee2177
    @paullee2177 10 місяців тому

    Yes, our three channels left the air about midnight, played the national anthem then went to a test pattern until about 6:30 or 7:00 am.

  • @WhiskeyBank
    @WhiskeyBank 10 місяців тому +1

    Hmmm.. didn't realize this was worth a buy. Will need to look for one. Thanks for the video!

  • @WhiskyForBeginners
    @WhiskyForBeginners 10 місяців тому

    I haven't been able to watch the video of the live stream, and I never get to see things actually live. But I can still say, HAPPY BIRTHDAY, KURT! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎂🍧
    2:59 When I was a kid in the 60s, about half the families I knew didn't have a TV, and we were the only people who had a color set.

  • @jeffnuzz
    @jeffnuzz 10 місяців тому

    Got a bottle, waiting to try. Hope it's as good as you guys say. It is a gorgeous bottle. And yes, National Anthem followed by a test pattern ...remember it well. 😊

  • @samsham8218
    @samsham8218 10 місяців тому

    Lol! Oh man yeah, I had forgotten about that.. Back when the tv stations would stop broadcasting after midnight and it would go to static..

  • @Janoy_Cresva
    @Janoy_Cresva 10 місяців тому

    Got this one at MSRP a couple weeks ago. I feel like this one is a hidden gem and such an awesome looking bottle

  • @JordanG_3031
    @JordanG_3031 10 місяців тому +9

    SLB Classics
    0:28 Trenton can set a killer blind
    1:33 the boys are getting old
    1:42 Kurt leaves the technical stuff to Trenton
    2:58 “old tv” story time with Trenton
    3:43 sounds like Trenton did some actual research
    4:25 barrel proof, good price, and still in Kurt’s wheel house the rare triple crown
    4:51 MVP BWall
    5:47 the boys are always honest
    7:12 Trenton turns into a chipmunk
    7:20 don’t get Kurt started on unfiltered
    7:49 Trenton tries to read by osmosis
    8:42 Kurt likes to take reeeally long sips
    8:54 the boys didn’t eat before
    9:00 Trenton doesn’t know anatomy either
    10:24 Trenton prefers to study by drinking
    10:41 here comes the house room smells again
    11:01 Trenton brings out the smart a** comment😂
    11:21 Trenton does like a food, apricot
    11:59 I wonder why Trenton got more of a sour note…
    12:48 Trenton is willing to 😢 for a well priced, tasty bourbon
    14:17 Trenton has a little nasty
    14:41 how many new things could you have had so far?!?
    15:27 nice sign off and nod

  • @markcalhoun8219
    @markcalhoun8219 10 місяців тому

    A local distillery tatersall released a rye/malted rye mashbill and that stuff is pure fig on the palate. I'm excited to see more people experimenting with malted grains as it really opens up what you can do with the flavors

  • @clydekimsey7503
    @clydekimsey7503 10 місяців тому +1

    TV was black and white until the late 60s. No TV after midnight

  • @davidrenner6112
    @davidrenner6112 10 місяців тому

    Found James E Pepper 1776 straight bourbon whiskey at TW in Texas for $27. If I see this one, I'll grab it. Tastes good, check. Decent price, check. Unique / attractive bottle, check. Great video as usual.

  • @RJR2222
    @RJR2222 10 місяців тому +2

    This would be a fantastic barrel pick.

  • @cjholcomb9687
    @cjholcomb9687 10 місяців тому

    I need to get this bottle. James e pepper 1776 was the first bottle I bought and it started my bourbon journey. Have yall tried the 1776 yet?

  • @kfiske5701
    @kfiske5701 10 місяців тому

    I toured the Pepper distillery in Lexington about three months ago and had a lot of fun there. Highly recommended!

  • @mikestewart3670
    @mikestewart3670 10 місяців тому +1

    Will definitely try to find this in my area.

  • @marydesalvo3470
    @marydesalvo3470 10 місяців тому

    Looks like I’ll be shopping for this when I’m out tomorrow. I’m in Northern Kentucky and my search shows several locations socking this.

  • @MichaelPropst
    @MichaelPropst 10 місяців тому

    Also there story is so similar to Ben Holladay. They were shut down for quite a while and when they started distilling again they used the same mash bill from 1856 when the distillery was originally founded.

  • @clayspence4160
    @clayspence4160 10 місяців тому

    We visited the James E Pepper distillery in Lexington. Really cool area of the town. Definitely worth the visit.

  • @tomhoward1467
    @tomhoward1467 10 місяців тому

    This bottle is fantastic. They also make a barrel proof rye that is awesome in manhattan’s. Not so great straight but in a cocktail is worth a try.

  • @enricojaun2880
    @enricojaun2880 10 місяців тому

    Sounds like a buy, but i have to say the best deal out there might be $32 for 1L of rare breed ncf. Recently scored a few bottles and the hype is real!

  • @GamerNxUSN
    @GamerNxUSN 10 місяців тому

    I've seen this readily available around. Will have to pick it up

  • @cyberadventures4845
    @cyberadventures4845 10 місяців тому

    Happy belated 60th Kurt. I'm fairly new to the channel and have been appreciating bourbon more and more lately. Thanks in part to you guys. 🎉.. My amazing wife just brought me a bottle back from a trip and accidentally exposed me to the best bourbon I've had. I wonder if you might have tried it and if so can ya yell me others similar. It's BARREL CASK STRENGTH 2024!!! And it is simply delicious. The mouth feel and depth is out of this world! The flavor goes on and on like nothing I've had before. I'm searching for more and hope you can try it and recommend others like it! 👍 Thanks, and I hope to drink with ya some Friday night.

  • @TheFakePenguin
    @TheFakePenguin 10 місяців тому

    Happy birthday Kurt and cheers!

  • @robertschroeder1978
    @robertschroeder1978 10 місяців тому

    Thank you gentleman, I will put this on my list to review upon my next visit to the local store. I usually top out at $50 for a daily sipper, however, this sounds like something for nicer moments.

  • @chrisw4192
    @chrisw4192 10 місяців тому

    The base product is like 8 -12 bucks next to Dickel I might get one just to have a mixer

  • @stuartrollings602
    @stuartrollings602 10 місяців тому +1

    Origin series starts at $40.00 in Texas…best deal around!

  • @OregonGooner22
    @OregonGooner22 10 місяців тому

    Blackwell’s wine and spirits has it in stock for $65 + shipping. Go get it 🥃

  • @That_dude_who_knows_some_stuff
    @That_dude_who_knows_some_stuff 10 місяців тому +3

    2024 is the year of value bourbon. I’m done with the hunting crap.

  • @Aj9Livess
    @Aj9Livess 10 місяців тому

    Haven't tried the decanter series. If anyone hasn't bought the standard James pepper rye (usually around 35 bucks, 100 proof) it's one of the best bang for buck mixers out there. Fantastic Manhattan and any other rye cocktail. Brings a lovely black pepper and vanilla note to a cocktail. Don't care for it as a sipper though.

    • @Aj9Livess
      @Aj9Livess 10 місяців тому

      Update: just found this bottle next door to my job for 60 bucks 🔥

  • @jtf2dan
    @jtf2dan 10 місяців тому

    in 1965 the majority of prime time TV stations were broadcasting in color, by 1966 ALL prime time shows were broadcast in color. America began a gradual transition to color TVs in 1953. they were very expensive and only a few shows were broadcast in color back then. By 1972, over half the users of TVs in america were in color. The last TV station to broadcast in color was a small pittsburgh station in 1986.

  • @ryanburdue9000
    @ryanburdue9000 10 місяців тому +4

    This was #27 on Fred Minnick’s top 100 for 2023

  • @jaxcoop1511
    @jaxcoop1511 10 місяців тому +1

    I was preparing myself for all the bourbon guys coming into my liquor store today until you said it’s not available in Indiana yet. They will still ask though 🥃

  • @johngonzalez1193
    @johngonzalez1193 10 місяців тому

    New subscriber here. New to all of this. First try was knob creek 12 yr. Didn't like it. Couldn't smell anything and all I tasted was spice. No idea how you guys do what you do but I wanna learn. What whiskey would you recommend for me to try? Whats the opposite of knob creek 12 yr?

    • @jolkraeremeark6949
      @jolkraeremeark6949 8 місяців тому +1

      Try Old Forester 1910

    • @johngonzalez1193
      @johngonzalez1193 8 місяців тому

      @@jolkraeremeark6949 i tried the old Forrester 86 he mentioned. Also tried buffalo trace, elijah craig small batch, michters us 1, makers mark, early times, wild turkey American honey and i feel like im forgetting one or more. I liked the American honey best but thats not quite the same since its low proof and very sweet almost too sweet. And i actually like the knob creek 12 yr better than all the others i mentioned. Idk maybe I'm just not a whiskey guy but i still dont think ive tried enough to conclude that.

    • @jolkraeremeark6949
      @jolkraeremeark6949 8 місяців тому +1

      @@johngonzalez1193 give Woodford Reserve Double Oaked or Old Forester 1910 a chance.

    • @johngonzalez1193
      @johngonzalez1193 8 місяців тому

      @@jolkraeremeark6949 ill try both. I also wanna try the other knob creek offerings and some of the Irish ones he recommended. They're pricey so they're saved in my wish list on caskers.

    • @johngonzalez1193
      @johngonzalez1193 8 місяців тому

      @@jolkraeremeark6949 just ordered the woodford reserve double oaked you recommended. Its for sale on caskers for 52.99 plus free shipping with the code FREEWOODFORD. Total was like 56 with tax.

  • @jacksampson3278
    @jacksampson3278 10 місяців тому

    When the TV went off the air at midnight the “Test pattern” would be on the screen until 7am. Back then (in the 50’s) there were on 3 TV networks. Your way to young Trenton😊

  • @willwood7656
    @willwood7656 10 місяців тому +1

    Ready for it! 👊🏻

  • @DougDemsko
    @DougDemsko 10 місяців тому

    I have a James Pepper 1776, 100 proof unfiltered. Haven't tried it yet. The bottle says distilled in Indiana, bottled in Kentucky. 🥃

  • @robertholder3581
    @robertholder3581 10 місяців тому +2

    Oh no😮😮..it's going to sell out everywhere!!!😢😢

  • @umami0247
    @umami0247 10 місяців тому

    Haven’t seen this yet but Ohio did a pick of the Old Pepper rye and it is a great pour. I like the bourbon also. If I see this I will definitely get it. Great review and Happy Bday🎊🎉🥃🥃

  • @donknott
    @donknott 10 місяців тому

    Any thoughts on doing another video about bourbon bottles you regretted buying in 2023? I really enjoyed those earlier ones.

  • @bigreb62
    @bigreb62 10 місяців тому +2

    Web site says average age 5.5, blend of old and new.

  • @Mark-1962
    @Mark-1962 10 місяців тому +4

    One of my new favorites, along with the new Pepper BIB bourbon and BIB Rye.

  • @garagehobbies
    @garagehobbies 10 місяців тому

    Ok, when will you port your app to Android for those of us free from Apple?

  • @punman0213
    @punman0213 10 місяців тому

    Yes $63 here in NY. Def get a cinnamon/apricot

  • @CSAN
    @CSAN 10 місяців тому

    Bought the Old Pepper rye last year due to the killer label and purportedly good juice. Was a clunker lol
    Will be on the lookout for this

  • @MichaelPropst
    @MichaelPropst 10 місяців тому

    It was number 27 on Fred's top 100 for 2023 but he definitely lists it in his recent video "5 Available Bourbons That Excite Me In 2024"

  • @NicStride
    @NicStride 10 місяців тому

    Not a horrible prince in Europe either!
    Still need to try a Buffalo Trace... Never had a bourbon yet! (Jack Daniels no7 doesn't count)

  • @Pecola1FromScratch
    @Pecola1FromScratch 10 місяців тому

    Has anyone tried the James E Pepper 1776 100 proof bourbon? They have it distributed here in FL and its also a great sub 30 dollar cost. Wondering if its also a good buy.

  • @MrFuzzy1953
    @MrFuzzy1953 10 місяців тому

    Yeah, the National Anthem came on at 11:00 PM and the networks went off the air.

  • @fireandfat
    @fireandfat 10 місяців тому

    “Searing the sides of my colon” 😂

  • @flatwound5154
    @flatwound5154 10 місяців тому +3

    Try some Larceny A124. It’s great!

  • @0369Kramer
    @0369Kramer 10 місяців тому

    Looking forward to this bottle. Was it available in Indiana? I make frequent trips to Richmond to pick up Spirits of French Lick. That would make a great blind if you think about it 😁😁

  • @alabamafootballpodcast3582
    @alabamafootballpodcast3582 9 місяців тому

    Tasting along with you. Its pretty good and it tastes like it'll get much better as it opens up. I do recommend this.

  • @MrFuzzy1953
    @MrFuzzy1953 10 місяців тому

    Michigan here... We love our liquor. lol

  • @kevinkeller3720
    @kevinkeller3720 10 місяців тому

    "searing the sides of my colon" 🤣🤣🤣

  • @spencerjcolling
    @spencerjcolling 10 місяців тому +1

    My colon burns too buddy.

  • @lghbtsl
    @lghbtsl 10 місяців тому

    What other non slb jobs do you both have? Just curious. Thanks 😊

  • @markgale1644
    @markgale1644 10 місяців тому

    I really enjoyed the replay

  • @jamescharles8663
    @jamescharles8663 10 місяців тому

    Unfortunately after a few minutes the live stream video was blurry for the entire time.

  • @2112CO
    @2112CO 10 місяців тому

    1 for every decade Happy birthday

  • @markgale1644
    @markgale1644 10 місяців тому

    Me to us old guys remember this stuff

  • @tonywarford885
    @tonywarford885 10 місяців тому

    I was just there last week.

  • @debbybrady1246
    @debbybrady1246 10 місяців тому +1

    It was a great party.

  • @alanwright1257
    @alanwright1257 10 місяців тому

    next week: Trenton takes anatomy class

  • @curetiamhices289
    @curetiamhices289 10 місяців тому +1

    Crap! Now another bottle to hunt for. 😁

  • @prtube1
    @prtube1 10 місяців тому

    Confusing esophagus with colon, yep have heard it all now. 😂.
    You are definitely backwards today. But I still put on my list. 😅

  • @jbred6049
    @jbred6049 10 місяців тому +1

    Spoiler alert. In next week's blind it comes in dead last.

  • @Mr.KobeZoom
    @Mr.KobeZoom 10 місяців тому +1

    You got only 8 hours of sleep the last 2 nights.. don’t have kids 😂 in my mind that’s great sleep! Cheers!!!

  • @beamer6136
    @beamer6136 10 місяців тому

    Found me a 1924 this weekend

  • @currahee63
    @currahee63 10 місяців тому

    Great show guys. I love hearing about new bottles with a backstory. Have you heard about Paul Sutton Bottled-in-Bond? It has a similar story in that the distillery has a rich history but was reopened in 2016 or 2017. It’s also a 6 year and I was really impressed with the pour. Check it out. Seelbach’s carries it.

    • @brettheiner7125
      @brettheiner7125 10 місяців тому +1

      Sutton has a BiB? I need to find it. I have the 6 year cask and 7 year heritage.

  • @EdwardJKeuer
    @EdwardJKeuer 9 місяців тому

    That was great....colon?!

  • @bryanbarrett732
    @bryanbarrett732 10 місяців тому

    Not a fan I have a bottle they must make a bunch of different batches mine is 52.8% and I get play dough Bakers dough amd some faint sour peanut just not my jam actually one of my least favorite new bottles I've opened recently I paid 65 as well

  • @kenr1767
    @kenr1767 10 місяців тому

    Just purchased one yesterday and enjoyed the first pour. Got to say that I like the John J Bowman a little more for the same price.

  • @michaell7809
    @michaell7809 10 місяців тому

    James E Peppers I think is 1776

  • @apeekintime
    @apeekintime 10 місяців тому

    Gotta say... this James Pepper Decanter ain't a hitter. It's a cool bottle and okay bourbon. It's no Rare Breed (same price here) or OF Whiskey Row quality pour. This bottle ranks below most "good" $40-60 bottles I own (and that's... a lot of bottles). I keep throwing it into blinds and it keeps placing bottom or second to last. There's nothing wrong with the pour - there just isn't anything good or interesting about it. At worst it sometimes comes across as a bit bitter/sour for no reason compared to most pours. It's not oaky, it's not fruity, and it's not heavy honey/brown sugar... it's like the perfect center of the bourbon flavor chart but every tasting note was a 2/5, except maybe a 3/5 for funk/bitterness.