HEATED debate over England's penalty-shootout strategy in Euro 2020 final vs. Italy | ESPN FC
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- Опубліковано 29 кві 2024
- How much blame does Gareth Southgate deserve for England's penalty-shootout defeat against Italy in the Euro 2020 final? Nedum Onuoha, Steve Nicol, Frank Leboeuf and Alejandro Moreno join Dan Thomas on ESPN FC and enter into a lively debate about the players selected to take the penalty kicks, the decision to sub players on late just for penalties and much more.
0:00 Comments from Southgate, Roy Keane and Jack Grealish after the penalty shootout.
1:30 Onuoha explains England's approach to selecting players to take the penalties.
2:54 Why is Bukayo Saka taking the fifth penalty?
3:45 Should Grealish have been one of the first five penalty takers?
5:30 How to decide which players take the penalties.
9:13 Southgate's decision to sub in Marcus Rashford and Jadon Sancho in the 120th minute.
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The whole discussion on penalties is sad for one fact, it hides the fact that Southgate lost the game for England way before it went to penalties
In another world, the ball doesnt bounce of the post and go straight to bonucci for him to tap in and England win 1-0. It's easy to criticize southgate but sometimes it's just luck 🤷♂️.
Either way, im happy the azzuri won.
@@KimmichTheWarrior well if you watched the game, you could see Italy knocking on the door for that goal. You could see it coming from a mile away. Probably only Southgate didn't see it and didn't react to help his team
@@james7802 They had more possession but they didnt create a single chance before their goal. After the Goal is when they started creating chances.
Don’t let England making the final distract you from the fact Southgate was the worst manager in the euros……
@@KimmichTheWarrior sorry YOU didnt watch the game then....Chiesa created his own great chance on his right just a couple of minutes before the goal (his 2nd chance of the game)....by the way, Kane-Sterling didnt have a single chance between them in 2 hours of football, pathetic on their part and Master-class defending from Chiellini-Bonucci...just facts :-)
England didn’t lose because of the penalties, they lost because they played terribly (coach’s tactics mostly) for probably 110 minutes
Agree.
Blame the players 😁😁😁😁😁
Yes. They caught Italy cold and got the early goal. Credit for that, but Donnarumma never had to make another save for 118 minutes. After the first 15 or 20 minutes Italy dominated the game. Chiellini and Bonucci could have sat in deck chairs with a glass of wine and a cigar. I doubt they've had many easier games in their careers.
Both teams were quite bad honestly, the only player from Italy that was any danger to England was Chiesa. Italy scored off a set piece but did not offer much in open play.
@@MildChunkySalsa Italy wasn’t bad, simply it’s difficult to score against catenaccio, with the whole England team in their goal and only Harry Kane out for a counterattack, but Italy attacked in 10 and the equalizer was just a matter of time. Not to mention in the final Italy was left without Zaniolo and Spinazzola, Chiesa going out and Jorginho almost going out, and despite lots of injuries Italy managed its men and kept attacking.
Nobody gives Italy credit for 70% posession?
I DO 👍👍 Italy Top Team
Yeah good point, they deserved the win, all this talk about miss pens is just unwanted drama, well wanted drama if you're a social media channel.
Italy deserved the win overall 100%
Simple as that
Didn’t Spain have that against Italy themselves. Possession doesn’t guarantee a win.
Italy was dominating from around 30th minute until end of the match. For sure deserved to win.. England looked lost like if they couldn't believe they are actually in the lead
@@gipgap4 But pretty much everyone agrees they deserved to win (only they didn't)
It amused me that some pundits an other channels seemed to be suggesting that the Italians were ungentlemanly in having such a large goalkeeper!
LOL how about belgium keeper???? he was more giant than gigio :D :D
This.. and just the fact that you break ties with penalty kicks makes soccer one of the dumbest sports. God... imagine hockey if you are tied by the end you just have players shoot on an empty net from the blue line haaa
@@SAFbikes There is no other option if you actually think about it. I mean they could keep on playing, with some much fatigue though
@@SAFbikes They do decide hockey on shootouts, it's a breakaway on the goalie, generally, it is 3 to 5 players, depends on the league. I think only the NHL just has forever games in the playoffs.
@@SAFbikes
You brought up hockey and compared it with the most beloved sport in the world.
You're automatically disqualified from the conversation. ;)
This argument is pi**ing me off! Are we going to ignore the fact that Southgate should've brought subs on earlier to try and win the game? Poor game management! He had no faith in Rashford and Sancho throughout whole tournament but brings them on "cold" to make their first touch a penalty in the final.
Yeah I don’t see how this is not being mentioned. Southgate lost them the final
@@Keenangoal Not with that pressure. Training doesn't matter in that moment. Penalties in high stakes matches come down to confidence and composure. Even the best in the world miss penalties. Why? They weren't composed or confident in THAT exact moment because they weren't having a good game. To minimize this risk, the penalty takers must be chosen based on in-game performance. You choose the players who performed the best in 90 minutes of the game. For instance, Maguire, a defender, scored his pen. Why? He was confident and had a good performance in 120 min. Grealish and Shaw were 2 others who were confident in front of goal during the final and should've taken pens.
This is the comment I was looking for. Saka didn't do much in semi and final, and Sterling was clearly out of breath at one point. Rashford and Sancho are known for being speedy and dynamic, and England hadn't been mustering any attacks for a while. Both players with market value of over 75 million Euro. Then to bring them in cold off the bench to take pens in a final? Madness.
@@CommanderTexas olmo missed the penalty against italy, olmo had a great 120minutes btw 🤷🏻♂️
Southgate lost the final for us with his ludicrous woke strategy, Southgate is being lauded, he should be SACKED
When you try to defend a 1 goal lead for 88 minutes, you have already lost the game. Seriously, England just stopped attacking after they scored and just went into a shell. No counter, no ball movement or control just sit back. If anything Southgate should be fired for that.
You are right one thing is playing a defensive game but the counter attack must executed, otherwise you just taking shots all day
You're absolutely right, can't agree more.
The score was 1-1
@@raaspider Not just shots though you are giving them chances to create shots, headers etc, especially if you are not pressurising their possession. What Grealish said about Southgate is inexcusable, he didn't get it right did he, we lost the game, how is that getting it right? Also just seen a snippet of news from the Telegraph newspaper that Southgate is going to be knighted for putting a smile on people's faces, what a crock of 💩. So we are rewarding failure now? Can everybody that's failed or failing at some or a lot of things have a knighthood then? If the story is true of course. If it is who has made the call on this? They want locking up.
100% agree southgate should have played to their strengths.
Jadon Sancho would have been an asset had he entered the game earlier.
And given Sterling didn't take a penalty, it would have made sense to switch them over in ET
Southgate wouldn’t know how to utilise him
Souldve come on instead of Saka, we all said it at the time
not only sancho...rashford should come early....so weird he and sancho still in bench for so long....
Rashford, Sancho, grealish and Bellingham all could have made a difference but when you have a coach who is adamant to make quick changes while his opponent does and when he does it he recalls them in the name of switching tactics. He did it to grealish against Denmark and Henderson against italy
It was like watching Spurs, with England trying to defend a 1-0 lead and inevitably failing.
"The biggest risk you can take, is to not take risks" - Pep Guardiola
Southgate didn't play to win, he played not to lose. Fortune favors the bold and his conservative tactics cost England the match potentially. I would rather be defeated while playing to win than sitting on my hands and praying
Excecpt in a penalty shootout
The conservative tactics absolutely cost England the match... not potentially.
@@mvpfocus You could argue that if England pushed forward more they concede and lose in regular time, reason I say potentially
@@garretttosh8669 But, the park-the-bus tactic definitely cost them the match, because it should have been abandoned no matter what at 1-1. By that point, England still had plenty of time left to empty the bench and go win the game, but they didn't even seem to want the ball for a full hour. Italy could have conceded another, as well, but England never really even tried to score.
Just saying pep benched fernandinho tho 😅
Forget the penalties (which Eng stuffed up anyway).....Southgate was out thought and out coached.....aside from the first 10 mins of the game, Eng did ZERO....no pressing, no attacking, no joy, no flair.......dreary, dull and negative
Same as the world cup semi against Croatia. Its progression though (Semi WC and final EC back to back is high standards in international football) but too defensive at the final hurdles. Id give him another consider the next world cup is closer than normal, he my learn.
@@emac8381 Southgate didn’t learn that he himself as a young player missed a pen ages ago cost the team but yet he did the same thing and sent the second youngest guy in the squad to take the biggest pen for England since 1966. I don’t think he’ll learn. He’s already proven it
Sterling and Kane were no existent the whole match
That formation of 4231 doesn't really help them much.
England always play thus. With The Fear. Fear of making a mistake (therefore the safe passing), fear of losing. So they score a goal, keep it safe and try to defend the lead, and come unstuck against the better teams.
Italy were the best team in the tournament if I'm totally honest !
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻💚🤍❤🏆🥇⚽️🇮🇹🎊🎉🎇🎆✨
Hands down
France
@@barrycross8108 France played terrible with a roster like this. Too many stars who can't make a team. That is why Italy fully deserved the cup because unlike France, they played like a team.
Italy Reserve IT No doubt
Instead of talking how England players failed on penalties you guys could've talk how Italian players were amazing throughout the final game. What a waste of 19 minutes segment.
Thank you instead of giving the Italians credit for playing and winning in front of a hostile crowd and for the most part just outclassing almost every team they play. They act like it was an massive upset that England lost, Italy was the better team throughout the whole tournament.
*Italy totally outplayed England in the second ½*
@@mojave5664 I couldnt agree more and congrats on your team success. ESPN fc is all about English premier league and England team
but this video isnt about italy is it…
@@chantelle8142 ESPN fc is all about England
Southgate doesn’t understand the psychological impact of the situation. It’s not about who took the best penalty in practice, it’s about who can handle the pressure of such a moment. Also, having that shot as their first touch of the ball makes it almost guaranteed to fail. I hope he got these notes written down so we don’t make the same mistakes in the world cup.
You think he hasn’t talked about this with his assistant coaches? Southgate spoke about how they looked at and analyzed the deepest and most underlying statistics regarding penalties and spent a ton of time on them in training.
Good point!
@@advenco344 yeah , using statistics to make such terrible decisions
Exactly: in practice, there's ZERO pressure.
Thank uuuu
Sending a 19 year old who isn't even a starter at this own club to kick the biggest pen in 55+ years. 😂
I don't think you watch arsenal mate saka was probably there player of the year mate
@@ousmansano21 i do, but even so he was on and off the starting 11 for some reason. It wasn't a knock on him.
Saka started 30 PL games and played over 2,500 minutes. Only Rob holding and Leno had more minutes played. He was the main man all season.
But I agree- shouldn’t have been taking the pen. Never takes them for Arsenal.
Lads eyes were completely blank. One could say by the way he hit the penalty , pressure steamrolled him. As much as I like him as a player , he ain’t no messi who was a prodigy at 19. Grealish or Sterling should’ve taken it
@@SunnyBeanie South Gate should’ve put on the Whites and stepped up to make up for his miss in 96. That would’ve been class
Nedum & Steve got it wrong. Statistics give empirical evidence: players who enter to take a pen at the 120, these two, like Zaza for Italy in 2016, Carragher in 2006, all missed. The same reason why an otherwise excellent Maguire terribly mispasses to Pickford (to give a corner) in the 1st min or why Di Lorenzo missed Shaw's run on the 2nd. It's the nerves and pressure of starting a big game, over time you shake it off as you get more and more involved. As you walk to the spot from the middle, your heart beats faster and your stomach cramps, while most others on the pitch had the benefit of going through that 120 mins earlier
I agree with you. Plus, Nedum said that sometimes substituted players (in normal game time) score with their first touch. The thing is they don't have a high expectation at that time to score, so if they score, that's great (less pressure).
However, the players that are substituted at the last minute of extra time definitely has to be for the penalty shootout, this time they have higher expectations to have to score (really high pressure)
Plus, Southgate was taking a risk there. What if the ball wasn't kicked out, they wouldn't even have got subbed in
Agreed… their mentality leads me to believe they would not be great handling the same situation
When your leading 1-0 at early stages of the game, normally you have to continue to secure the game with a second goal. Leading 1-0 at early stages dont mean anything unless you work hard for a second and maybe a third goal.
That's what I was thinking too.....
100% agree the pens didn’t let us down but when Italy had there backs against the wall we should of pushed harder than we did to score
Italy are a better side than England, the goal after less than 2 minutes was a freak, slowly Italy go into their stride and played their game, could have and should have ended 3-1 to Italy ,no penalties .England let's face it are an average team, 1 world cup from just 2 finals, Italy 4 world cups and 2 euros from 4 finals, that's class and makes you a football superpower, Wake up England and smell the espresso, see you again in 55 years!!
@@pasqdimonaco8516 we let Italy get there stride we sat back and took it after 20 mins and didn’t make subs until way too late to make a difference
@@bradleyhickman5014 incorrect. Italy weathered the storm perfectly. They pushed back not because England conceeded possesion but because Italy chose to do so.
-playing in home soil with full spotlight.
-playing defensive after an early lead while they can do more damage.
-dragging the game to penalty without changing playing style when they can
-making super late subs with a player that didnt even appear ready to come in.
-placing teenagers 1v1 against one of the best keeper in footballing world to date.
and after losing, whole spotlight shifted to penalty taker decision.
it was the whole game management from southgate that made england lose.
penalty shootout is the consequence for southgate didnt try to be more attacking in 90min+extra time.
Too right, England was actually the better side, even at the start and after the goal, but somehow, those players wasn't able to maintain the high level of football. They lost their way, ended up being pegged back. Southgate should have fixed whatever the issue was by bringing on players that can cause Italy problems, but no, his plans was to save them fresh for the penalties...lol
What a joke of a manager. The whole tournament was handed to him on a plate, but he failed to take it with both hands. England definitely had the talent to beat Italy over 90mins.
Italy deserved and they were my winners for the whole of it💯💯🇮🇹🇮🇹 But England lacked bite the whole tournament that was just shocking to me based on this so called talented group!
@@HDsharp They definitely were not the better side. They scored because of an unsettled Italy. Once Italy got their backline sorted England possed zero threat to them. The positioning and skill from Bonucci and Chiellini were far too good for the Englishmen, you could see how frustrated they were getting every time they got bullied, they knew they couldn't get through. Chiellini showed why he is a still one of the best defenders in world football, the passion he showed compared to those young players is unreal. The man at 37 played a full 120 minutes of football, he chased everything and that just shows how weak minded the English side is.
@@randeegunthunter1062 it's so overconfident by England
England had Italy by the cojones in the first half. Vice versa in the rest of the match.
Stevie makes no sense. Could have brought Sancho and Rashford in earlier and try to win the game. Southgate parked the bus from the 3rd minute on.
But it does make sense because it goes against Southgate style. Southgate would never do it because he was so defensive and wanted the block solid. I bet Southgate didn’t want to leave himself expose for 5-10 mins. They don’t play attacking so he wasn’t confident to be so attack minded in the crucial ending. They prob never even practiced with so many Attackers on the pitch. He was providing a perspective that Southgate might have had. Yes it was wrong but it shows a coaching change needs to be made
@@csrac23 thats why they lost. They played right into Italy's hands. Too defensive and scared. Why not try to win before going to pks??
@@csrac23 even with Southgate's overly defensive mentality, he could've still brought either Sancho or Rashford in early if he had subbed one of them for Sterling
@@csrac23 exactly that’s it and let’s not even act like Southgate is an idiot. Des Champs thinks the same way , Pep Guardiola did the same in the champions league final . Des Champs depends on quality to save him and has no back up plan while he has incredible talent on the bench but doesn’t know how to utilize because he’s too safe and it’s gotten him big time results up until now . Same thing with Southgate just like Pep out thinking himself over worrying about the opponent and handcuffing his quality but he’s had great results . For the fans who want to see the best out of a squad and it’s full potential unfortunately it’s risky and managers don’t want to get sacked so they go deer in headlights when their over thought tactics don’t work
So true. He didn't even have to bring them on for Walker and Henderson, he could have easily taken off Sterling and Grealish if they weren't supposed to take penalties anyways.
Practice is different from when the pressure is on
@kanenas tsankaris totally different situation.
What's the point of practice then??
@kanenas tsankaris practice is useful for committing to a technique however it can't replicate pressure. People under pressure make rash decisions and there is no real way to simulate that. I think the only thing you can rely on is their attitudes and mental state and regarding Rashford, Sancho, and Saka, I don't think they were ready yet to be relied upon for those penalties. I can elaborate more whom I thought should have taken them if you want.
@@ethanalonso3647 Totally agree. I can hit great golf shots after shots on the driving range but when it comes to play in a club competition l go to pieces.
Why has no one mentioned the great saves that both goalkeepers made !!
Thank you! Their excuses for why they miss the penalties discredit the work of Donarumma!! They don't talk about Pickford because they lost.
Donarumma guessed the right way for Kane’s penalty but couldn’t save it because it was a good penalty. Sancho and sakas penalties were poor
@@uhoh4848 Interesting logic. So if Donarumma wouldn't have guessed the right way, would those penalties would be considered poor the way they were stroked and placed?
@@solomongrundy6806 Just how Italy’s 2nd pen was poor as well… a yard or 2 inside the post and a nice height for Pickford. The best save for me was the Jorginho pen.
@@uhoh4848 You really didn't answer my question but re-stated your logic only using the opposite shooting team and keeper. So let me post my question with your "new" example: So if Pickford wouldn't have guessed the right way, would those penalties would be considered poor the way they were stroked and placed?
Every ex player outside of England: you cant train penalties. Its not about the skill, its about the pressure in a Stadium with 70.000 people screaming. You cant replicate this Situation in Training.
Southgate: so yeah i picked the best penalty takers from Training
100% agree…. any professional footballer can score a footballer in training THEY ARE PROS!! It’s more so choosing players who can cope with pressure, been through similar situations and if they do miss are mentally strong enough to get over it. That could ruin saka going forward it’s actually ridiculous why you would ever pick a 19 year old who’s never taking a penalty?
absolutely agree... i blame Southgate 100% for the penalties and also for drawing the game..
Managers should have protected young players frm penalties. Luis enrique protected pedri frm taking penalties by subbing him at 119 min
Worst coach in euros especially given the talent he left on the bench for 118mins
@@misterpractical so the worst coach managed to get to the finals ?
Trophy came from Portugal stayed for couple of hours in England and then took a flight to rome😂😂
EU-Extra EU-EU… of course the EUROCup remained in EU….
@Moreedom Behanrika a moronic comment by any standard
It's so funny if you look at it , that it did came home hahaha but for couple of hours. Hahaha
bro we're indian we shouldn't pipe up
@@jh1987 bro i live in Italy so that's why I'm saying it
I'm italian, sport is in my heart and would like to say that I was really shocked seeing english players taking off medals as they did. That was unjustified unsportmanlike behaviour, why to do that? The players were unpolite having regard to the whole organisation and to the crowd. British fairplay, I'm not happy to see the fall of a myth.
wdym? u all were saying the saka deserved the racism because of what english fans did like is it ur medal no its not and its not unsportsmanlike theyre just annoyed
@@chantelle8142 Failing to keep their emotions in check by removing the medals showed a lack of graciousness in defeat, a foundation of sportsmanlike and honourable conduct. England is supposed to represent cool heads and steady hearts, that isn't what I witnessed on Sunday, and that was disappointing.
I am asking this question myself
Why English people they’re so en gratitudes like this just in one second they forgot everything they England boys did to take the England team that far ? In World Cup they take England to semifinal and on Euro they take England to the final
Things we didn’t have for 55 years ? Oh no it charme for England 🏴 to do same things like this, we didn’t win but it not end of the world 🌍 we have to believe one day football will come back home.
But on this en gratitude we will never going to win the Cup soon. Please let be happy even to being though to the final.
I am very very proud of team and all they boys, special thanks for Gareth Southgate best manager for England 🏴.
I love you all. My man of the tournament is harry Maguire is my man of the tournament. All be safe and bless for our England 🏴.⚽️👍.
They took the medals off because in their minds 2nd isn’t good enough. When you’re a top athlete training to be 1st nothing else matters, nobody remembers 2nd place. These English players are in the position they are in because they want to win, a 2nd place medal to them is not a sign of success, but failure. Why would anyone want to wear something that represents the pain and hurt of getting so close and failing? It makes total sense, many football players of all nations do this, especially those who come 2nd in Champions league for example.
@@jc6618 " nobody remembers 2nd place. " Alas I know that expression, that is exactly the opposite of what a sound sporting spirit should be. In a tournament (soccer, tennis...) you have just one winner and a lot of miserable losers ? Real sport doesn't work like that...
Donnarumma never lost a penaltyserie.
Won twice with Italy, 3 times with Milan.
Yes!! Why is all of England give Donnarumma the credit, that he was just that good?
@@qupidmox Maybe, because the two penalties he saved were poor penalty kicks?
@@qupidmox donnarumma was good, but Pickford was also good, since they both saved 2 pens.
The most important thing is that Italy played much more positive/attacking football throughout the tournament. It's better for the game. Nobody deserves to win anything playing the miserable football England insisted on. As spectators we want the ambitious teams in the world cup to actually play and not just grind their way to a trophy.
150% agreed. You hit the nail on the head.
All valid but ignoring that for a moment England we’re so close losing only on penalties. If England had won nobody would’ve cared just like France 2018 was really defensive and had an easier opponent in the final but nobody talks about that anymore and view France in high regard
@RUConfuzzled I agree with the ESPN analyst's, which included the Italian legend Piero, said that Southgate playing with a strong defense is okay, yet England was not well set up for the counter. Sterling, Kane, Saka look like dangerous and fast players that could cause the Italian back line some headaches, yet England could rarely pull the trigger other than a guess with a ball over the top (usually scooped up by the Italian goalie, in spite of him not even playing sweeper keeper).
@@Bonepesci Sure. Well, as I see it, the difference between France, Belgium, Brazil was no more than a bit of luck on a corner. There were three teams that were strong enough to push around all other comers.
@RUConfuzzled France didn't park the bus, they knew Belgium is a team who let you play.
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Yeah but Espn Fc is better than Sky sports by a Country mile.
Sky sports is ESPN’s dad…… 🇬🇧
Sky sports > Espn
@@viii4555 No it isnt. Not only are Espn comments much better but the content is also better. Espn fc analysts actually have a personality unlike Sky Sports Analysis. Also sky sports videos are so random.
@@KimmichTheWarrior Personality?
Even if ronaldo scores a hattrick Jules would say he had a bad day
Even if messi wins his 7th ballondor, shaka would say he is not a candidate for 🐐
Even if Man utd win the league, Craig would thrash man utd
This is not personality.
Hello guys remember that Roberto Baggio of Italy missed a decisive penalty that gave Brazil the world cup 1994. So I agree that it's a lot of pressure to just come on and take one.
Yes, so did Franco Baresi too (missed a penalty) who was very experienced at the time.
Baggio's penalty was not decisive. Baresi and Massaro missed before him, while every Brazilian penalty taker scored theirs.
@@mickeyguide3112, Baggio and Baresi were injured in that match/tournament, and both of them missed their penalties in more or less the same fashion.
@@cjewe1z true, I'm a hardcore Roberto Baggio fan but I don't think he missed cause of that injury though I don't think he missed cause of the pressure either. Something strange happened on that day 🤔. Btw Michel Platini made exactly same kind of miss than Baggio also against Brazil in 86' World Cup in Mexico on semi's. I was 10 yrs old but I still remember that shot.
which is why you don't put a 19 year old that looked scared the whole match to kick a penalty
9:25 *Southgate brought on Subs far too late when watching the game. Could not believe it.*
England once again prove that their nickname as “Tottenham of Europe “ is not false after all
*Belgium
England are like the Toronto Maple Leafs of hockey! Losers with poor management too. Have not won since 1966/67! LOL
hahah as an Englishman I agree
At least that puts us in the top six 🤣 I’ll take it
@@VASTSports belgium are more like ma city top class players but never win
Nedam the new spokesperson of Southgate...😂😂😂😂
You are here to analyse the game not to give your sympathetic views for the coach....
shut up kid England was always a weaker opponent and will be.
No possible applicable trick from England won't effect on Italy gameplay
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Brazil. 5 WC.8 r 9 copa America's 3 r 4 Confederation cups won the gold in Olympics last Olympics. And small tournament they'v took part in.
@@michaelpower4372 hahaha and your england?))
@@michaelpower4372 Italy won olimpic Gold too, and copa america is played every 2 years, sometimes even 2 in years straight, not every 4 years like euro cup!
@@michaelpower4372 Whatever man Enjoy whatever you enjoy about Soccer. FORZA ITALIA SEMPRE NEL MIO CUORE AZZURRO 💙 ITALIA 🇮🇹⚽⭐⭐⭐⭐❤️ future looking forward
@@shining8235 How many Confederation cups did Italy win. Italy had a good ref on there side against England. There were lucky against Austra.
I saw it live, and I was flabbergasted! Pickford did a superhuman job, saving two penalties.
Pickford is overrated
Then Donnarumma is what, a god?
@@chriszhang1660 yes
They are lunatics if they think being warm with a few touches wouldn't help you take a penalty vs coming in and taking one cold. Madness to think otherwise.
It's just a matter of media narrative. If England win that shootout, Southgate is seen as a genius to have brought on Rashford and Sancho. Also the same logic applies to keepers being subbed. If Netherlands dont win their shootout against Costa Rica in 2014, it would be seen as idiotic to bring on Krul. And I would argue that it is even more important for keepers to be warmed up than players taking the penalty.
It's almost like these idiots have never played football.
@@youtalkin2me595 it just non sense to give the most important penalty of England football to a 19 year old. The last penalty should go always to the best taker or the star of the team. Most often the best taker shoots first and the star or captain shoots the last. You dont put the future of a kid in that kind of situations.
@@1individeo No, you go with your best penalty takers first as ideally you'd want the shootout to be over after your 4th or 5th penalty taker. Let's say Kane shoots last, what if it's already over by the time he shoots..
I agree, shouldnt come off bench to take penalty, your not warmed up properly, not in the game mentally, been sitting all night, just wrong idea.
Southgate blew it before penalties. Too conservative with subs - it’s a final - go and win it.
Perhaps Southgate was thinking that if England loses on Penalties he could still keep his job, as being in the UEFA final in itself is a great acheivement for him, but if he goes for broke and loses by more than 2 goals his rice bowl could be cracked for good.
@@donhuang9855 Maybe - they won’t sack him with a World Cup so close.
@@PringlesForDinner The English FA ought to sack him as he is a proven qualified failure. It's 18 months to go before the WC, so a new England Manager with proven successes in international football ought to enhance the English team to perform against the likes of Brazil and Argentina.
@@donhuang9855 who's gonna replace him if that happens ?
@@lexkanyima2195 The ex-RM Manager who is now out of job, and is a proven winner as a player and manager.
I think Southgate made a grave mistake and in the press conference made sure to shift the blame on himself in order to save Saka's reputation and the team's
I think Nedum is spot on here, they picked Saka because he is clearly good at taking penalties in training. Whether you're 19 or not, you're playing for the senior team, you should be able to step up and take a pen. He missed it, it happens, I feel bad for the lad but I think we're going on about him being only 19 too much. Saka also had a great tournament and often looked like England's most confident player on the ball at times.
never heard so much rubbish in my life he is 19, he dont take it, IF THE MANAGER HAS ANY BRAINS, WHICH HE DONT, THE BOTTOM LINE IS HE GOT IT WRONG TOO DEFENSIVE
@@geoffbutler2893 Then why is a 19 year old in the squad? What is the age limit for penalty takers? I agree England got too defensive in the second half and extra time but that wasn't my point about the pen.
@@samito7147 When there is experienced players like sterling shaw already scored its called using your brain which southgate hasnt got,. Doesnt take a lot of working out
@@geoffbutler2893 As it has been said, Sterling isn't actually a great finisher. It is pretty easy to say how obvious everything is after the fact.
"Those who win celebrate, those who lose explain" cit. Julio Velasco.
If that rule applied to the envrionment, life itself and all within it then ego driven raping of the world would be a thing of the past but it isnt. Nice statement for sports. Doesnt translate more generically... bit sitll kool tho
Another nice version of this statement: "whoever wins Is always right"
the sky is blue, the grass is green ...
They've been explaining in last 55 years :D
Who
Really no point arguing how the penalties should have been taken. For England their record told us the last thing they want is a shootout in any tournament. They took an early lead and should have won it before the need for a shootout had they got their tactics right!
Agree, they forgot that Donarumma is a good keeper and have been saving penalties in Serie A.
Totally agree, England shouldn’t have allowed Italy to have 70+% ball possession because it was really by choice. England had the opportunity to whoop Italy bad to be honest but played safe (understandably in a way)
They dnt deserve to win
@@juldemiray Whoop? Italy's unbeaten run is 34 games! That is 2 games short of the all time record of the longest undefeated run by any country on record! Another deluded fool that knows nothing about football!
Historically penalties is the last thing England want but that's what they were playing for in the final
We took 2nd place and made it to a FINAL! We're progressing folks! This is good news for fans of England and the Premier League! Proud of the boys!
That's the spirit!
Made me sad to saw the English players take off their medal immediately.
Of course loosing it's bad, but those players are the future of England, you should be only proud for what they achieved.
A lot of our players are young as well, and the last year was important for a lot of them, they improved a lot.
Greetings from Italy, see you guys next year in the World Cup
We will be even better next year in the world cup, football is coming home!.......
@@RC-nv6rc ahhahahahahhaha you will never win England are losers
@@RC-nv6rc *ahem*
Donnarumma stopped a kick that was ON NET from Saka. Give credit to the 22 year old goalkeeper . You’d think from all these critics comments that he wasn’t under any stress either .
Nedum, bruh, it's literally clear now why you never made it in football.
Even playing at a semi pro level i know that getting a few touches in relaxes the nerves.
It's literally impossible to come in and take a cold kick.
You 100% need to feel the flow of the game.
Nah. You’re wrong
"It's literally impossible" Neither is the use of the word "literally" justified here not is the use of "impossible". Because it's both very much possible.
100% man. Asking players to take those pens cold was completely idiotic. Nedum and Nicol sound like clowns
@@CK-nh7sv we understand, though, even if you didn't. This thread is about football, not grammar. Literally, go away...
@@CK-nh7sv Yeah, but it doesn't satisfy all the keyboard warriors if you realize that people are different 😂
Disagree with Onuoha about not needing to get warm before a penalty. Anybody who has ever competed at any level will tell you that you're more nervous/anxious at the very beginning of your play time. But once you've had some touches, passes/shots, tackles, ect. you get into a flow state where you're less nervous and get into a rhythm. Rashford/Sancho never got into that rhythm of the game. They were at their most anxious just entering extremely late and that was compounded even more by having to take a penalty with the tournament on the line.
Watching England lose isn't just a hobby, it's a lifestyle, a reason to breathe, an escape from this cruel world filled with pricks.
It's art, it's the first gift you open on Christmas, a hug from a loved one, it's everything you wanted, it's everything you need.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sounds like you live a pretty pathetic life then my dude lol
Thought Luke Shaw had a blinding tournament!! Each game he was continually strong on the ball, great passing and he read every game to a tee. Along with Pickford he was our strongest, most focused player.
this discussion was ALMOST as painful to watch as the shootout
I agree with you, people making senseless comments
Exceptionally, I was entertained by the discussion lol
@Mr Roffi your comment makes about as much sense as England thinking they were going to win the Euros.
Ifs and buts don’t really win you a European football tournament. 🇮🇹⚽️🇮🇹⚽️
@@gr637 👍🇮🇹⚽💪🥳
The difference between them is really interesting: Stevie and Nedum don't want to lose the game, Frank and Ale want to win the game. Just like the Italians. And that is why they did win.
You play scared you’re gunna lose.
Good point, I still don't understand the Saka thing. Age aside, he's never taken one. You got a bunch of terrific experienced strikers of the ball.
Exactly, I wouldn’t even listen to Nedum cz he’s a Southgate apologist, Stevie’s mindset is thatof a defender, sure good defending is critical in tournament football but if you dont go out and try to win the game, you’re gonna pay in the long run which is what happened to England
@@Bee-hf3fc ya n where is Shaw why no one talks about him?
And Rashford at right back for 10mins I mean why not he can run as fast as he can to expose Italy give them danger. Take the risk is do or nv England nv won a shootout so why not. The guy on the right side of the host and the guy at home at afraid of losing. Frank is a winner a WC winner.
While Italy was about to take a corner at min 120, Southgate brought out a defender and a holding midfielder both of them tall and defend well set pieces and put in 2 forwards. At that specific moment Italy could have scored and put the game to bed and that should be the real issue with Southgate.
Italy was a better team the whole entire game. And the game was played on foreign field. It was an away game for Italy. England did not lose a game, Italy won the game. The better team won! Roberto Mancini was the difference (my opinion).
I saw Grealish saying i take one live, was i the only one!? Saka was looking down the ground, standing hiding in the corner.... which means frank is right southgate forced sake to shoot instead of grealish who was mentally ready
Shaw should've taken one too. He had a great match and was confident and composed in front of goal.
@@CommanderTexas I agree shaw should have taken one without a doubt.
@Andy c after Southgate infamous miss. He drilled the penalty takers in practice. They were best 5. He got the order wrong. Kane and maguire should've gone 3rd and 4th. No guarantee it goes 5. Sancho/saka 1st 2nd. Luke Shaw and rashford last. Grealish and sterling probably would've been 6 and 7
Why bring Henderson off as well..?? He is good at pens.
@@lynxeffect924 he literally missed his last one for England and isn't the penalty take for Liverpool.
Leave the penalty it was Italy all throughout the match expect for the goal by Shaw.. Italy pressed, dominated and fouled whenever necessary.. It felt Italy would win within the 90 min.. lucky it went to penalties..
Agree. I think if Italy withstood England’s predictable fast start and didn’t concede early they would’ve won in the 90 mins.
@Jamie what football match did you watch? 😂 England had just two shot. Only one of them on target and turned out to be a lucky goal due to bad defensive positioning of the italians in the first minute. Then there were 25 minutes of chaos (england did not dominated) until Italy dominated entirely the game. Pickford saved England.
@@ec470 it wasn’t even 25 mins. Italy started growing into the game after like 10-15 mins. Remember watching the game annoyed because not long after England had scored Italy started controlling game and having a lot more of the ball.
@Jamie Italy was in disarray for the first 10 minutes then began dominating from 25 minutes in and had more shots and more possession at half time. Second half, Italy even more dominant. Best team won the game and the tournament. Italy walks the talk, England just talks as do their moronic pundits like Ferdinand and Neville.
@Jamie Italy conceded a stupid and very unusual early goal because of the Wembley effect. But they reacted like the champions that they are, got back into the game and dominated England. England were very fortunate to make it to the penalties. This is what I saw objectively 🇮🇹
Italy was the strongest team at this tournament.
I love how this same panel of ' experts' are now talking about how difficult it is to take a penalty, yet Cristiano Ronaldo's record is somehow tainted because he is the primary penalty taker in his domestic and national teams.
100% with Ale on this. England lost because they were too cautious!! Bringing on Rashford and Sancho would have potentially won the game for England in regular time.
Exactly 💯
No
No
thats hindsight ..you take of kane for example and its the same result people would be ..why you take off kane he potentially would of won us the game lol
lol no chance
Doesn't matter.
Italy were the best team in the tournament and it would have been unjust for England to have won.
That's true - but England had their best players on the bench, that's why people are pissed off
Spain was better
@@mayankdewli1010 Spain were the better team in the semifinal, no doubt, but in the whole tournament they've been shaky. A couple of draws against Sweden and Poland in the group stage, they switched off for 15 minutes against Croatia in a game they should've won before ET, and squeezed through a win on penalties against 10-man Switzerland. Italy only played two bad games, against Austria and Spain.
especially as they had the unfair advantage of less traveling time than Italy and all games but one on home ground (and and easier path to the final) BUT! in the end it's not about just or unjust...just about who wins!
AND it's supposed to be a GAME!! We can all lighten up a bit and enjoy it
The best team won.
Forza Italy.
No point discussing this matter.
This was one of the best analysis i ve seen in a while by these guys. Differing opinions (some more factual and some more emotional) but it was diverse views and very engaging
16:11 why is nedum shaking his head? 😂😂 i think frank and alan shearer have a better understanding than nedum in this situation
Being the best penalty taker and training is a ridiculous argument you don’t sit on the bench through training and take penalties you’re part of the action those guys came off the bench frustrated a little defeated because they weren’t playing and asked to save the day that they have not been a part of
Basic horse sense!
That is correct anyone can be "best penalty "taker at training, ridiculous argument !
They shouldn’t be playing for England then. It’s a team game
Literally thought of this immediately as soon as they each stepped up to take one
Exactly!! It is literally ludicrous to have ‘saved those players for the penalty’, and there should be a FIFA rule against it. I used to be a football coach and In the school yard, if a kid had not taken part of the match, I would not let him come at the 11th hour on his bike to score penalties for his mates that were tired and exhausted, against a goalkeeper that is tired and exhausted on the opposite team. Even if it’s not FIFA’s rule it was my rule. Respect to Southgate, but if a coach is able and allowed to do that, then by that reckoning, Italy should have been allowed to swap out Donnarumma for a fresh keeper that had not played through to extra time! The whole thing is ludicrous. FIFA please do something about this grey area.
Nedum, when I play golf my first few swings in the warm up are nearly always awful. You need a few touches and passes to get a feel for the ball. This is a very simple fact. The subs should've come on sooner
I understand to a certain extent dude but it is different in football. There are many times when subs come on and make an instant impact.
@@Saintinthecity-wh9nl But that is a silly comparison. Nobody demands/expects a substitute to come in and have an instant impact, score on their first touch and so on. But of course the people picked to take a penalty in a shoot-out have the pressure by their team and the manager that they ARE EXPECTED TO SCORE. Add to that the expectations of the home crowd and the whole nation watching and it pure madness to have them come in basically cold to take just 1 penalty.
And to defend the decision to let them wait to the 120th minute is just silly. Southgate wasn't forced to pick Walker and Henderson as the guys having to come off. He could have picked Grealish and Sterling as neither of them were among the 5 penalty takers that Southgate had decided on. In no way are Rashford and Sancho so bad they can't come in and do good job as replacements for Sterling and Grealish.
@@Saintinthecity-wh9nl It’s not like they could have made an impact, they had to shoot a pen in a EURO final, they were put in an awful position.
Exactly how this man can’t understand this just doesn’t make any sense to me. Especially technical players like rashford and sancho it would’ve helped so much more cuz it’s not like they don’t know how to shoot a ball already 🤦🏽♂️
What you’re saying makes no sense.
I know Ronaldo has nothing to do with this conversation but it's funny how these pundits go from "all he did was score penalties" to " not everyone can take a penalty kick" 😂
That Italy goalie sent the entire England into a penalty debate. 😂😂
A gk that went pro as a 16yr old
And the post
I watched the pk shootout between Italy n England in 2012 n 2020.
The sequence is the same Italy takes the pk first after which they will miss their 2nd pk makes England happy but England 3rd kick hits the post n the 4th kick is save in the same direction by Italy gk. The difference is the last pk for both countries are save by the GK.
@@melohhh7757 that’s interesting to know
@@melohhh7757 haha I’d like to see a side by side video comparison , good observations 👍
Fantastic debate. I’m with Ale and Frank 100 percent
Any logical human being would be.
Same here. Ale actually raised the bigger issue that after the 1-0 goal, England played afraid to lose the lead instead of continuing to attack and look for the win
@Womb de Troy he was speaking non sense. No wonder his career didn’t go anywhere.
@King of Kings doesn’t mean he’s right in this case
@King of Kings his opinion is still an illogical opinion. Now he’s in the same category as Stevie Nicol. 😭 that’s not a good category to be put in. Idc if he’s bigger than me. Go to your neighbor and ask them who is nedum. I bet they wouldn’t know 😭
Ain't no way Saka should have been in the starting 5 takers...Grealish, Sterling, Shaw and Walker should all have gone before Saka
Sterling is one of the worst pen takers in the world
He wanted a black lad, as the national hero obviously!
Agree 100 percent
Saka was set up by Southgate. So no one can blame him
@The Progressive Brit oh really then explain to me how the 2 he brought in and gave barely any minutes missed penalties?Southgate chocked the team with his decisions.
I think we would all be more sympathetic to England's plight if they would all tone down the "It's Coming Home" rhetoric. One international title in 100 years (and we won't mention how that was gained...) doesn't make it a national football powerhouse. At best second tier - wins do the talking, not what ifs. If they faced the football world with a little more humility they probably would fare better than they have so far and be a little more "tolerable". Club football (with all the foreign talent that fodders it) does not count in this context.
I would like to know what was written on the bit of paper that was handed to Maguire by the sub!!
The rest of the world would have a lot more sympathy for English fans if they could do these 3 things:
1. Stop the “It’s coming Home” tactic
2. Don’t racially/verbally abuse your own team or other countries
3. Who am I kidding England fans can’t even do the first two...
1. Its a song about failure an hope. Not Englands fault rest of europe lack self-depricating humor
It’s coming home is just a way of having pride in a nice way. We know we’re not winning it so we sing it to have some kind of confidence. To make up for failures. What do you want, us to sing *”England is finished”* ??
Since when did the world Ever sympathize Cancer???.
@@viii4555 Yes. Your history suggests that you are massive failures. Sing that Instead. It suits England more.
@@KimmichTheWarrior don’t be stupid. I wasn’t joking here for a change
Southgate’s entire game management in the final was absolutely horrendous, not just the penalty shootout.
The name "South-Gate" is in itself a Bad Omen; no investors want to see their portfolio going towards a gate in the south.
DON HUANG I ended up wasting my time on Southgate and by the end of the day it took the cup south to Rome.
that was england football game plan all tournament, playing 6 defenders in front of a keeper and sterling and kane diving every time they cross the halfway line
@@adriankearney4850 Kane and Sterling badly need some acting classes from professional actors on how best to fall, aka dive, agonizingly on the ground inside the penalty box area.
@@erikkison That was England's bad omen - the cup when through the SOUTH side of the GATE to ROME, HOME of the 4-times WC champion.
Wake up people your missing the real story, which is... The plan all along was to try and silence the booing at the ridiculous 'taking the knee' stupidity. These black players were brought on and set up, to take the pens. They failed to score and have been hung out to dry by the English FA who are the real villains in this story. Ask yourselves why were these three inexperienced players brought on at the end of the game?
These 3 were sacrificed on the alter of diversity to prove a political point. We all know fine well the main talking point in football recently, hasn't been the game, it's been the kneeling stupidity. The TV and all of the MSM are desperate to ram their agenda down our throats....in this case it backfired spectacularly.
More experienced players and others who wanted to take pens were ignored, ask yourself why?
The MSM in the UK will not raise this subject as we now have censorship by omission, constantly.
when they brought blm into sport, they got what they deserved.
This is the truth!
@@bohrora2293 Sadly we all know but can't talk about it publicly. If we do, we will be called racist. The three players were put there for "diversity, equality and blm" obviously. The coach can deny but those players knew that's why they were so nervous. Imagine if they kicked the ball in, there would be all glory of their race.
Grealish (Too worried about his hair) and Sterling (Olympic diver) want to be "stars" but they went hiding when it was time to take a PK.
Southgate has said himself that he chose the penalty takers, and Grealish did say on his twitter that he wanted to take a penalty (hinting that Southgate was the reason he didn't)
@HanselManCan LOL, Sure he did! In case you forgot, Italy = Champions & England = Losers as usual.
What stevie says at 12:45 is the exact reason why England are never gonna win with this kitten's mentality. Southgate, my man made a career out of missing a penalty and he played the extra time in a way to take it to the penalties. Rashy and Sancho arent bad players ! They could have actually done something on the pitch even in 10 minutes you dont know !. they're as good a player as Phillips or sterling why not sub them off and put sancho and Rashy on and have a go at the weary italian defense in the last 10 minutes or so
Exactly. They're 2 world class wingers who could've done damage to Bonucci amd Chiellini who both had yellow cards.
So you wanted him to sub in two attacking wingers for a holding midfielder and a defender. How does that make sense? For 110 mins you have played defensive, and now in the last 10 mins you flip and go overload offense with Kane Sterling Saka Rash Sanch all on the pitch? If England had conceded, people would’ve destroyed Southgate for making unreasonable subs so late in the game.
The fact is, this is a classic case of judging a decision based on its outcome, ie hindsight.
@@tokhmi2006 Maybe not 10 mins but they should have been subbed on at the beginning of extra time. Southgate had to be ruthless. Take Sterling off. Get Sancho or Rashford on the wing, keep Kane up front. The point here is Southgate was playing for penalties, and he brought on 2 talented players for the sole purpose to take penalties, which they missed. Are you going to sit there and tell me bringing on Sancho or Rashford against a tired Italian backside wouldnt make an impact?
@ Hallelujah that's BS. Southgate didn't have to sub off Walker at rightback he chose to. Fact is Rashford could have came on for Sterling who wasn't one of the five takers and you could have subbed off Stones, also not one of the five takers, for Sancho and gone back to a 3 man back line and pushed that slow Italian defense and still have done what he planned to do. Fact is Southgate played not to lose instead of playing to win.
And if not Stones he could have taken off Shaw.
Southgate is not a good leader and neither is Kane. Ronaldo in the 2016 Euros made the experienced players on his team take penalties and they won. Kane was quiet and Southgate picked the wrong guys in the wrong order to take the penalties.
Facts
Kane is trash. Terrible captain
What? Sanches took a penalty and he was 18 at the time, while none of 30 somethings Pepe, Eliseu or Fonte did.
What was Trippier saying to Gareth Cautiousgate at the end of the match ,it looked heated!!
It wouldn't surprise me if some players were livid. Southgate giving them a cuddle ain't cutting it. Too late. Damage done.
Siamo noi , siamo noi , i campioni dell'Europa siamo noi !
Esatto!!! Vivo a Londra e quando ho visto L'Italia vincere la gioa si è triplicata alla massima potenza
Siamo noi siamo noi i campioni della Europa siamo noi.... E loro zitti e buoni
Southgate was too conservative! This is a final you have to throw in everything. If I were him I would have brought in Rashford and Sancho immediately after the first half of the extra time and tell them I want you to go and score the winning goal. He delayed his substitutions to the last meeting of the game🤦
Yep. But if you listen to goofballs like Nedum you would think Southgate did everything right and it just didn't work out. These blind England fans are like cultists. Get rid of Southgate or you will waste this generation.
You must be a coach
Southgate did what most coaches did if they had the chance: defending 1-0 against Italy. It's just that Kane and Sterling are overrated.
@@wolfgangdevries127 England's lead came 2 minutes in, so defending it from there was lunacy. You get 2 or 3 up and then you defend.
And that’s why you’re not a football manager. Your tactics would have been suicide against a possession happy team like Italy. It’s hard to take a game to a team that doesn’t lose the ball and a team that lack midfielders that pass as well as Spain or Italy.
I still felt like Grealish should've gotten a chance.
Mount performed average the whole tournament and still got so much play time. Madness how he got more game time than Grealish.
He might have missed as well. And we would’ve then blamed Gareth for that.
He is irish
@@dajag6846 personally I think Kane should;ve went first and MaGuire last but nobody would've blamed Southgate for choosing Grealish over Saka
@@dajag6846 taking Italy to penalty shootout is a suicide
Except for Jorghino’s miss, I called every single one by looking at the players eyes. Everyone who missed was extremely nervous and looked fearful, everyone who scored looked confident with Jorginho being the outlier, although he also didn’t look too confident.
Anyway, if I can see that on the TV, Southgate should’ve seen it 10 times better.
And I agree that the young players should’ve gone first. And I also agree that subbing in a player for the exclusive reason to score that one penalty in the final is madness. That just increases the pressure many folds. Rashford and Sancho didn’t have the opportunity to make a difference in the 120 minutes before, so they understood that this one shot was what they would be judged by, in a final no less. One can only imagine what that does to the mind of a young player like this. An experienced player who has seen it all may be better equipped to deal with this pressure, though it would have been tough even for him.
That was exactly the point. Saka should have gone first or second so, in case he missed or his shot got saved, there would have been other chances to put the shootout back on track. As Italian who remembers Roberto Baggio missing his penalty at the 94 world cup final, I very well know the consequences of that mistake. Roberto Baggio's career got stumped and his reputation as a penalty taker was in tatters. He ended up playing for mid-ladder teams and not being capped again for the national team in spite of his great results at team level with those mediocre squads. I really feel for Saka and I hope that he can play for a great team in the future. Pedri and Saka were the youngsters who caused a lot of problems to our backline. That's an accomplishment in itself.
Would England ever get a better path to final than this one ??? No, at least not in coming years.
Said that in 2018 then this tournament happened, who knows really
@@NoonyJW that's true lol
World Cup they can probably get a decent draw.
Hungary played harder games than Italy 😂
They will qualify for 2022 World Cup as Hungary is only competition.
Totally agree with Frank and Ale! 👍
So virtue signaling had nothing to do with it?
The team that was virtue signaling throughout the whole tournament?...lol
I think the contentious points are:
1) Why did Southgate not send in players who could help England go for the win earlier? Sending in Rashford and Sancho just for penalties at the 120th minute indicates he had no interest in sending them on to go for the win. Why would he rather want to take it to penalties in the first place, given he had the players on the bench to really take it to the Italians? If he's playing just to not lose, is that the approach England want to maintain?
2) Why was Saka taking the 5th penalty when it's very likely the 5th penalty is gonna be the decider? Did Southgate think it's a good idea to leave a potential decider penalty to a youngster who hasn't taken a professional penalty before?
Grealish coming out and saying I said I wanted to take one, makes the situation worse.
How?
How?
he did tho i saw him shake his head yeah when they were huddled up before the shootout
You could always put this on Dean smith. Ever since Grealish missed a pen against Sheffield United, smith has put anyone else on Villa ahead of him on the list……
@@HateBeinAlive I'm not denying he didn't say that. Now the media and pundits have much bigger fish to fry.
The game is lost and done.
Him coming out and saying that will make the English fan more against Gareth and rest of the team, and this racist rant going on rn is just unbearable to the players.
For a second I thought this discussion was going to go to penalties.
Lol almost
😂😂😂😂
Maybe not nerves maybe they were not properly warmed up. Like pitchers and goalies that warm up on sideline before they come in to sub.
Thank you so much guys you give us the best debate.from uganda
I love saka but when Italy,s probably best penalty taker missed one I shouldn’t be watching a nervous teenager with almost no minutes on the pitch coming to save the day.If he chose them to come in for penalties then first give them decent minutes and put them first and leave the pressure to the ones who have have put in 90 minutes.
So true, his body language was terrible and he was nervous. This BS about best in practice is garbage, Senior players went hiding because everyone knows the fallout.
@@chrisclarke3880 this was his first penalty in senior football. EVER. No wonder he was nervous. He was given the responsibility of taking the most important penalty in English football history at 19.
@@chrisclarke3880 agree and southgate’s explanation is garbage.This is not pick and choose moments it’s who is best at that moment and for him to throw young saka into that kind of pressure is a disgrace.
@@nahum9729 Southgate actually said he set the line-up and it was his fault. Doesn't help Saka does it? I am still fuming.....
@@chrisclarke3880 absolutely and to see that young star in tears made me even more angry at southgate.He left his brain somewhere in that final.
The order should've been
Maguire
Saka
Sancho
Rashford
Kane
Take some pressure off the young guys and let the experienced players start strong and bring it home.
Looking at the actual kicks, I would have Maguire last. Perfect penalty. lol.
Guaranteed if Sancho and Rashford were brought on earlier and England conceded they’d be saying why not bring them on in the last minute
11:00 they're arguing not touching the ball before a shot has no impact? This is insane. In what sport do you just walk on the field and do something without having warmed up and got a feel for it.
It can go both ways. Players being subbed on solely to take a penalty in a shootout is not new. Look at Anderson and Belletti in the 2008 Champions League final. Both scored their pens.
Personally I see both sides of the argument, just pointing out there are instances where it has happened before.
@@strykah92 I can see both sides too, but to me what they are getting at is WHY did they choose the players they did. If it was purely about who they felt had the best chance, that's fine. If it was something else then that's not fair to the team.
Just choosing a cold, young player with no penalty experience is weird to me.
I remember Italy 2006 penalty, where all the leader takes the penalty, Pirlo, Alex, Grosso, De Rossi, Matterazi, not all of them "the best Penalty taker", but they are most ready to shoot mentaly. Hendo, Walker, Sterling should take it, but then again, that's not a guarantee to england win, in the end penalty is about mental and luck. you score then good, if you missed, so be it.
Different characters, that 06’ squad was full of leaders, every single guy on the pitch had the character to shoot a crazy important pen, just look at the fact that De Rossi was 22 years old.
You can be sure we had a natiowide gasp of horror when we saw Materazzi and Grosso taking the walk to kick those penalties: Materazzi hadn't kicked one in an official competition since 2001, 5 years prior; Grosso had also kicked his previous penalty 5 years prior, in the Italian third division where he was playing back then, and famously replied "What do you mean, me? (ma come, io?)" when Lippi told him he was going to kick the last of the series.
Yet...
@Moreedom Behanrika What a truly pathetic statement that is . Always playing the poor victim eh? I'm surprised you can even walk straight with a chip that size on your shoulder
Hendo isn’t the best penalty taker
Southgate wanted a certain type of hero to fit with his politics.
No matter which way you look at it making Saka go 5th was so dumb when you have grealish and Sterling not taking any! 🤯🤯🤯 he’s 19 and his first competitive penalty! 😔
England are Garbage.
@@ataladin87 I mean we obvs aren’t garbage! Italy won fair and square no need to hate man!
normally Rashford and Sancho are class penalty takers the pressure seems to have gotten to them. Saka however shouldn't have taken the 5th penalty. Grealish, Sterling, or Stones should have taken it.
@@csokopsglazersout7447 exactly!! 👏🏻
@@csokopsglazersout7447 still Garbage, Just like epl.
England has waited fifty years for this moment. They will have to wait another fifty years 😂
And to lose again
These muppets say nothing about the reality that England were out shot 6-1. 600%. The best team won. Espn UK and England were not one of them.
Actually they did say Italy was the better team.
In this video they were just talking about the penalties
The difference between the two was the managers. And it showed.
Manchini has managed at the highest level and succeeded. Southgate hasn't.
Italy played much, much better than England. They deserved to win. The frustration for England is that we actually have better individual players than Italy, by quite a margin. Most of them didn't even play. Our manager was so negative and afraid - we started our midfield in the final with two defensive mids and a right back - just embarassing.
Well played Italy anyway, worthy champions Mancini is a top manager. Southgate is very lucky to have the best England squad ever covering up for the fact he is useless.
Because it’s a debate on the penalties
@@martingonzalez824 he wasn’t far off though could have easily been England winning
Look at the way they went into the penalty shootout, Italy was loose, smiling etc. England was full of tension, they looked liked the queen had died. It was over before it started. The tone was set after they scored their goal 2 min in. They did nothing the whole game.
England say they have next years World Cup already WON, So could someone please tell the other 37 countries that they needn't bother turning up.
England say they have next years World Cup already WON, So could someone please tell the other 37 countries that they needn't bother turning up.
England say they have next years World Cup already WON, So could someone please tell the other 37 countries that they needn't bother turning up.
Penalties are tough. Saka and Rashford could have scored and they would be viewed as saints on tv. Gigi almost caught Kanes penalty, and if Kane missed, he would have been critisized for his whole life. Penalties are tough, anybody can miss, Messi misses, Ronaldo misses. Some you win, some you lose. Italy was the better team. England had very very few 'dangerous' chances to score, they only did once. These fools may critisize Southgate, but ignore the fact that he lead them to a final after 1966. Pure bs english media.
Pretty sure they wouldnt have cared if the Queen died
Both Stevie and Nedum are nuts. It’s like asking someone who has sat for nearly two hours, done some light stretching and jogging to go and take a free throw to win the championship. No way. They are not in game focus. And Stevies point about risking the game by bringing them on is so stupid, I have trouble believing g he said that. If those two guys risk the game then they should not be on the team. Doesn’t matter about offensive vs defensive players.if bringing someone on for 10 minutes risks a game, then they should not be on the squad.
Your first point is very sensible.
Your 2nd point is really strange. It's incredibly risky to have a striker in defense. It's not like basketball where everyone always has to play a bit of D. Messi dribbling past Ronaldo 50 times in a row wouldn't be a surprise. LeBron dunking on Duncan twice in a row would go viral.
I don’t think u really
Understood what he said just listen again and understand it’s clear u don’t really play football or understand clearly
I personally believe it’s more of a psychological issue. By ‘being brought on’ to take a penalty it suggests that you are in a way ‘expected’ to score. That adds even more pressure onto the crazy amount of pressure they already have. We need to test/practice how our boys deal with pressure (of course as much as technique). I.e get the whole squad watching intently when practicing penalties, mindfulness meditation to calm negative thoughts, use VR to simulate occasion and desensitize the response to the visual/audio stimulus etc.
Kickers in American Football literally do this though. They watch the entire game only to get called on and win it with one kick. At the high school, college, and professional level. It's been done in European football before too e.g. Alan Shearer being a great example of someone you can sub on to get a definitive penalty and rattle the opposing keeper in the process. The issue is Southgate used the wrong strategy for this group of guys. They did not need to park the bus and win the match with a test of nerves -- they should have whacked in three or four goals in 90 minutes as they have been doing all tournament! Womp womp
@@realmadriddiary7218 I understand perfectly but it seems you are a little lost so let me explain. Steve Nichol said bringing on two Superstar players for 10 minutes risks losing the game, but having those same two players step up in a final under intense pressure and step up completely cold to take a penalty each is less risky! What ??? Southgate did not bring on two bums like RMTT or me. Nedum himself contradicted himself when he brought up the example of the big deal we make when a players first touch is a goal. We make a big deal because it is nearly impossible to score in a regular game when not warmed up and in the flow bunch less to take a penalty in a final of a major championship. 5-10 minutes is all it would have taken not 30 seconds.
I've never seen a massive support for a national team like the one for our Italy.
Reading comments it seems like World vs England
donnarumma played extremely good all the game,thats it
Actually,he almost never seen the ball before penalties.
England made just 2 shots in all game.
That's even greater, because he had to be focus until the end without staying in rythm
I'm with Frank and Ale. Are u sure you gonna lose the game by just putting Rashford and Sancho in the line up in the last 10 mins?
Exactly. They make it seem like those two guys are a bunch of plumbers coming in. They needed more mins to get in the groove of the game and have blood flowing more properly.
Yea...Stevie was acting like they were some farmers coming in lol
It was the last minute 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🎺⚽ROMA VICTOR
Stevie and Nadum, are not making sense what so ever, what made England lose the match at the end is the exact mentality that Stevie is arguing for, i.e. being too frightened to make a positive substitutions to win the game.
Thank you
Thank u
Yes exactly 👏🏾
I like it. Cause yesterday was a treat
Nedum is someone with no footballing pedigree to speak of , and Stevie is just Stevie , no surprise he’s spouting wass again .
Love how deluded the English are long it may continue, you were lucky for the game to even go to pens and have a 50-50 chance to win it, a chance that you didn't deserve based on what we have seen from other teams that couldn't go far because they were on wrong side of the draw. If Chiesa hadn't been chopped down by the English and subbed off the English wouldn't go anywhere near pks, so don't cry that you lost, just be grateful that you got there despite being appalling to watch.
It's not our fault that ESPN FC wants a few more clicks by dragging this on. All my English friends almost universally agree that we should have been more attack minded to try and win the game. Winning on penalties would have been undeserved.
@@hanumanguy Fairplay to you mate but not only ESPN but I've been listening to Guardian, BBC, various other podcasts and they tend to focus on pens and why this guy took it or why that one didn't take, I haven't seen an universal agreement that we lost because we don't have a midfield who can dominate possession.
That's funny... You say "You lost" in your first post, then went on to say "We" in the second.
If you're going to try and disguise the fact you're Scottish by playing yourself off as English, make sure the Scots aren't doing it on masse and make it too easy to see. Like you did here. It's just too pathetic. But hey, the racism, hate and obsession is juts far too ingrained in you now.
@@seablock 'we' meaning the pundits/media from their perspective
@@goergejohn6986 the midfield didn’t dominate because we were inexperienced and decided to defend for our lives instead of increase the lead
14:00 *Well done Italy - no sour Grapes - you played brilliantly and dominated the second ½ by miles - Congrats to you at the end of the day.*