Everything GREAT About Captain Marvel! (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 25 лис 2024
- Captain Marvel created a divide between people. Let's fix it, eh? Or whatever, the alt title to this video would be Captain Marvel: Empathy.
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CinemaSins has "no movie is without sin"
CinemaWins has "every movie is someone's favorite"
I like that contrast/parallelism
And no movie is without win!
That's why I like to watch both channels. Having good variety while I watch/think about these movies is good, and I enjoy both sides of this because it helps me see things about these movies that I never would have noticed, good or bad.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
@@Double-R-Nothing r/unexpectedthanos
@@alexeratops DO NOT rely on CinemaSins for ANYTHING. They literally lie about things that happen in films, though most of the time it's by omission. When they point out something "bad" about a film, it's normally either a "joke" (which is what they retroactively claim when someone points out a sin is full of shit), or it's actually addressed in the film itself, very often IN THE VERY SAME SCENE.
CinemaSins is terrible, and harmful to discourse about films. See various videos by BobVids or shaun here on UA-cam, they explain why in great detail. CinemaSins ONLY cares whether you click on their video - they literally do not care whether anything they say is fair or even accurate.
Came to watch a video about Captain Marvel. Ended up watching a psychology and philosophy discussion using Captain Marvel as the medium.
Subscribed.
You got me on the first half there
Same exact situation 😂
This dude is amazing.
💯😂
The "new person" thing is why I am glad about how she was handled in Endgame, playing only a small, but important, part in the final battle.
and then they complain that she didn't do enough so she should have just not been in the movie
If anything, it shows the power of thanos. We saw this character that was blowing up ships with her bare hands in the 90s, and this purple guy punches her 100 feet with a space rock!
@@dankerbell No we had to have some reward for the beginning of her character arch, but her character arc is just beginning, so having this massive payoff seems unearned. If she wasn't in endgame at all, it would be a massive plot hole.
Exactly, she shows up at just the right time to have just the right amount of impact on the final battle, and her reason for not being there during all the other stuff is really solid. People complaining that she's too overpowered and will ruin everything are seriously underestimating Marvel. These are probably the same chumps who thought she was gonna be the one to defeat Thanos!
I really liked the way she was handled in Endgame, like you said she had an important part and they showed her power and strength, but Thanos was able to beat her as he has Centuries more combat experience and Strategic knowledge. It was really well done.
"...softening to Brie." I see what you did there. If there's one thing I can support, it's cheese humor.
I can't believe you didn't call it "cheesy jokes"
That was no *Gouda*
Alison Brie is reportedly going to play Greenette...
Is that humor about cheese, humor that is "cheesy", or both?
LOL didn't get that till now thank you for that
"We still don't get to define anyone else's experience or perception."
That is the heart of the problem we face with any discussion involving criticism and change. Too many people, both intentionally and unintentionally, project their point of view onto those around them. It doesn't seem to matter if they see them as a would-be ally or enemy; expectations are already set. It's not a far offshoot of prejudice concerning any matter.
To move forward in any regard, we need to be open to listening when it comes to communication. Let people speak for themselves. The moment we dictate their opinions in their stead without consent is the moment we begin projecting our own opinions instead.
JustinoElArtista tell that to the lgbt community
@@just_for_comments that's a pretty unfair thing to say since not everyone in the LGBT community is forcing their opinions and in fact your doing exactly what opening comment is saying. Your projecting your opinions and views onto a group of people over the few who are doing the same. It's very sad how people still can't get away from labels it's really what end up spreading hate.
I'm sorry but that whole comment was completely meaningless. Full of vague platitudes and wierd moral grand standing. "You don't get to define my experience." sounds like the kind of thing someone pulls out when they're losing an argument.
@@myself2noone Whether you find it meaningless or not, it's still the basis of constructive debate. It's one of the points CinemaWins is actually trying to make in this video. Nobody has the right to tell someone how they should feel from the outside because there are hundreds of ways anyone could respond to any situation. People are varied even within the same "camps" when it comes to arguments over subjects like Brie.
I'll agree that you hear people throw that phrase around as a defense against arguments. That generally only happens when they're defending themselves personally rather than their actions though. Just because you can't tell a person how they should feel doesn't mean you can't comment on their response to said feeling.
@@myself2noone No, it's just a way of saying that some people like different things, and you shouldn't force an opinion on someone. That's no vague at all.
I feel that like the movie or not, this video is a wonderful example of the good you are doing with this channel.
I know it might be hard to see it from your side of the screen but you are making things better.
Thank you for your work and enjoy your much deserved time off.
It's also jist nice to have some positivity going around. I had to stop watching CinemaSins for a while because it started affecting the way I enjoyed movies.
Amen~
You’re awesome. You have a great moral compass and you never jump to conclusions. Sharing your opinions on this channel sets a really good example. I appreciate this channel so much more now
John Hills p
As Randy Marsh says...
he's got Tegridy.
That's... the point of this channel...
I was completely unaware of any "political controversy" surrounding this movie, and I loved it. I learned a while ago that angry people on the internet will try to hate/ruin literally anything, so when I started to ignore the negative noise as much as possible and I started enjoying media more.
A great example is that The Phantom Menace came out when I was 9. It was my favorite movie for years because I was young and completely ignorant of the hate it received. Too many people struggle with the concept of subjectivity and get way too up in arms when others' tastes differ from theirs.
Well said
That's different tin my case tho
When I watched it even I didn't know abt the political drama behind it
But tbh I found it pure shit
This is such a positive channel it feels so good after everyone is nitpicking everything
There's enough criticism in the movie world
@@PowerLord83 critsem can be postive. He is still a critic. That is why he is awsome
Which is the reason why i can't watch a full Cinema Sins video: i see enough nitpicky negativity all day long irl, i just want some wins.
@Jayden Marvel You're kidding right? (No shade intended. Im just bad at sarcasm and i genuinely dont know if you're joking or not)
@@Miko36110 CinemaWins and CinemaSins are two completely different things. They are not relates at all actually. Even the creators of CinemaSins have confirmed that they are in no way related with cinemaWins. SO no alter ego channels here. Just two different channels with similar names.
I mean [the Matrix] is amazing and there are a million reasons to love it.
I wonder if those reasons could ever be compiled in a fun, well explained video.
subtle
One of life's many mysteries
but to create such a video there would need to be an entire CHANNEL dedicated to listing everything GREAT about a film.
@@nonspiderweb insanity
That's crazy talk.
Soooo... TL:DR don't judge people at face value, look at someone based on their actions and draw your own conclusions and don't push your ideals onto someone else? I think that's something we can try and get behind. Thanks for putting your two cents in CW, This was a good video.
@safe space Maybe you're forcing your own ideals cause you don't wanna see any different one's either
@safe space There's a difference between pushing your ideals on someone and explaining your point of view in such a way that others might better understand your viewpoint.
@safe space Person says some ideology
Other person: Hey I kinda like that ideology, I agree with that and it will help me think about things in a different light in the future
That's literally all that's happening lol
safe space so how do you expect someone like the cinemawins guy to explain his opinion without pushing? By your own rules, which I disagree with but let’s go with it, since he will always be in such a high volume, he’ll always be ‘pushing’ something. When does he get the chance to just express his viewpoints with no agenda?
Civil War?
18:05 as a member of said female audience... all deep relatable backstory aside: I just felt badass after coming home from watching this movie. Literally about to go run a marathon or something. I went home, searched for a playlist with the soundtrack in it and did something of a 20min HIIT workout to get that energy out (at 10pm). It just felt empowering? And I normally get that cinema-high on most all movies I watch but that was beyond anything I felt before? Simply felt great
Lisa von Gartzen, I felt the same way. I frequently watch her full power up scene (while she’s a prisoner in reality but trying to be beaten by the AI in her mind because of that implant), I frequently watch that on UA-cam to get myself pumped up. And I am a male. So does that mean we can eliminate the gender facet as a variable for the reason why both of us might get pumped up by it?
@@neels9689 No, no it doesn't. Just because you as a man get pumped up by it, doesn't eliminate the empowering nature of it for women. It's like the trench scene in WW, it's a rare example of a bad-ass heroine moment. Plenty of women straight up *cried* at those two scenes.
Michelle Theia, you appear to have misinterpreted my comment. Nothing I said states or implies that because as a man I got pumped up by it, that it makes it _not_ empowering for women, or “eliminates the empowering nature of it for women”, as you have stated. What I specifically stated was that the causation behind it, need not be gender-based, since both males and females can get pumped up by it. In fact I specifically included the fact that the original commentor also got pumped up by it, in opposition to what you have just stated.
@@neels9689 Of course it doesnt need to be gender based, but it is for many people in todays climate. As a man, idgaf. People are free to express whatever they want, as long as they aren't hurting me (including yourself) ^_^
Peace
i don't see how its empowering i saw wonder woman being empowering but not captain marvel mainely because one is a rude asshole who acts like she is better then everyone else aka captain marvel the other is nice kind understanding loveable person who tries to see the good in people aka wonder woman
10:54 “She’s not trying to hurt white dudes...”
Immediately shows her character blasting a white dude across a room😂
I love your sense of timing, Lee. Well done and well said for all of the video. It’s for these kind of things I love your videos. I prefer you to Jeremy because, as Cinemawins tag line says, “it’s better to like movies than hate them”. I love how you not only dissect a movie for all it does right, you also give you own opinions in the conclusion. You’re one of the shining lights of positivity and optimism on UA-cam and I hope you never change.
Keep up the great work, mate.
i believe they call them Pink in space culture
@@THENBASTORYTELLER 😂 Or blue, you know, cause they're Kree
Man I always thought you were cool but after this I just can't even describe how much respect I have for you. You're doing amazing things.
"not gonna lie, they had us at the first half"
Nice twist, win.
@@gabrielalvarado3348 *ding*
You're such a relentless positive influence on the internet, it's amazing! I find myself watching your videos out of instinct when I'm in a negative headspace.
Also, thanks for bridging the gap between the 'two sides'. I often find myself going between the two on this and it's good to know it's okay to not be 100% either way.
Keep doing the good work man :)
That why this channel call Cinemawins . But I feel his explanation has a lot of deep point . I still love it .
I feel like you’re missing something very important when it comes to her powers. While I agree with you to a certain degree that some of the dislike towards this movie and character had to do with gatekeeping and just how powerful she is, I disagree that her powers felt unearned.
She was a great pilot who wanted to do something important and help someone she looked up to. She had no idea what she was really getting herself into, even after Mar-Vell tried to warn her that it would likely be dangerous to accompany her on that flight. She was brave enough to do it anyway and risked her life to help her mentor. After they crash and Mar-Vell is killed, Carol makes the decision to shoot the energy core to prevent Yon-Rogg and the Kree from taking it, who had just shot her plane down and killed her mentor. She shot the core FULLY expecting the explosion to kill her, but she did not hesitate to sacrifice herself in order to keep a powerful object out of the enemy’s hands. If that doesn’t make her worthy of her powers, I don’t know what would. On top of that, she had to fight to gain access to her full potential of powers, after the Kree limited her powers with that chip they put in her neck. When she uncovered her past and realized what the Kree had been doing to her for six years, she fought back. She defeated the Supreme Intelligence and broke out of the metaphorical shackles the Kree had put her in to restrain and control her emotions/memories and her powers. It was only after she freed herself from the manipulation of the Kree/SI that she gains access to her full powers. Seems pretty earned to me.
Bridget underrated comment
AMEN
Take my humble like, I´ve been preaching this since the movie came out
That's a good point. When you mentioned she struggled for 6 years though, it made me think. I think one thing is that no one sees that part so they discount it. I think experiencing more of that might've helped.. possibly.
I think he was pointing out how some people perceived it. They felt she hadn't earn't it and to be honest, this video made me rethink my instant dismissal of their arguments. I'm still comfortable with my own perception of intent and storytelling regarding Captain Marvel but I've definitely been lacking empathy regarding other peoples point of view.
Just because to me her power levels compared to Thor etc weren't a problem doesn't mean that someone else watching it couldn't have had a problem.
Having said that, I wish people would stop banging on about that speech at the Crystal Awards years before she got the MCU role and taking it out of context.
Hi, I just want to say one thing about why I loved Captain Marvel.
It's a movie about breaking free of your abuser. Something many people can relate to, but most don't think about.
Captain Marvel was not only gaslighted for years, she was manipulated, oppressed and molded into someone else's idea of a person. Her struggles to hold on to her manipulators and her emotional, or lack thereof, responses are on point. As someone who was psychologically abused for years, I can relate to what she went through. Finding out the life you once had and were supposed to have lived will make you lash out and be unlikable to people, and most people won't understand why she - *you* - is so... rigid.
When you find out you can be free from all that, you feel you can do anything. Like take down spaceships, and an army, and help out recreate a race on the other side of the universe. Than, you go back into unhealthy habits, like being emotionally shut down and overly cocky.
I'm not saying Captain Marvel is a movie about abuse per se, but I can see enough parallels to relate.
Not to be pedantic, but this is why we need a larger variety of reviewers/critics. I see this message clear as day reading your words, but it went completely over my head on multiple viewings.
Pensamentos da Tety This is a light I hadn't seen the movie in before, and I can't thank you enough for bringing it up!
@@EvilChicken25 I did my best to explain, so glad some people listened to me. Thank you for listening! ♥
This was a really cool perspective and I'm glad you shared it!
You think her and Vanya Hargreeves would get along? They both have similar arcs except Carol doesn't nearly destroy the world.
Very eloquent, thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I’d love it if you’d do Prince of Egypt and/or Anastasia- two utterly brilliant non-Disney animated films imo
Loretta or spirit stallion of the cimarron
Both please!!
Hard agree with both of these, especially prince of Egypt. Beautiful movie that I still enjoy every time in spite of my negative feelings about church and religion
@@simsamsammie is that the one with "When you believe" song?
I never comment much - or, like, at all - but I genuinely wanted to thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. Going into Captain Marvel, even as an optimist fan of the comics and MCU, was kind of hard to do with everything that surrounded the movie - it seemed like there were only two camps, like you said - which upset me, because everyone seemed to preemptively love or hate the movie without even having seen it. Brie is a pretty awkward person, something she even admits to; heck, I'm an introvert myself, and people tell me I come of as a 'b-i-t-c-h' because of it, even if my intentions truly were never to do anything even close to offending someone, so I get where she's coming from but still agree that (in the wise words of Archer) her Phrasing could have been better.
Though about the movie, I do agree that Carol is a blank slate to a certain degree, and I say this just in regards to the MCU and my own opinions of the character(s) (because there are a lot of Badass Good Girls out there); watching Carol Danvers come to life hit me in a different way than a lot of other MCU movies/characters ever did, in terms of character development, anyway.
Watching Carol on screen get knocked down, told to repress her emotions, etc...it's things I - and I'm certain many other people, but in this instance, specifically speaking for myself as a woman - have been told to do, time and again from the home, to school, and even in the work place, but no matter what I tried it was never really good enough. I couldn't be myself to the fullest extent, because it 'wasn't right' and I was miserable for it (felt held back). Carol was made to believe those same things, until she didn’t, and was better off for it. Carol is the kind of person I aspire to be, and I think that’s a big part of what superheroes are to readers/watchers (at least, it’s what they are to me); the best parts of humanity and hope everyone tries to strive for in their own lives, that everyone is capable of great things even if your circumstances don’t reflect it, and to me Carol hits closest to home in that regard.
Honestly, the way I see it, in broad strokes, is that characters like Steve Rogers represent the 'little guy' that wants to do good, but doesn't have the means; Peter Parker is the everyday kid trying to live up to what's expected of them, but is also trying to figure themselves out; Tony Stark is the understanding that the world isn't so great from an ivory tower, because despite what 'perks' you may think a person has, you don't understand the nitty gritty that can taint their lives despite the glitz and glamor. With Carol, to me, she's what women and minority groups (let me preface that bit by saying I’m speaking for myself as an Arab woman) struggle through in daily lives, subjected to problems and issues others may not bat an eye at because it’s things they don’t experience - the guy cat calling her from his bike is an easy example, and one which seems to be far more common with woman, no matter how much all parties agree it’s a rude thing to do.
It's not to say that these characters are only meant for 'one' type of people, but I think the diversity of what they represent is important, and by way of movies it helps storylines have those nuances of originality that prevent them from just being a regurgitated plot and character over and over again. I relate to all of them in some degree (I’m sure many people do, humans just like to find aspects of ourselves in others after all), it’s likely a big reason we love them so much; hell, for years I related really closely to Bucky during high school because of my own life experiences up to that point, and now Tony Stark hits home on a lot more of my personal struggles, but Carol’s story in this movie made me just sit back and think ‘huh…I’ve dealt with that stuff all my life, but it doesn’t mean I have to be held down my it’. A part of me feels like, yes, she was handed those powers, but another part of me thinks; Tony Stark and Thor had it all, until they didn’t and had to build themselves back up and prove they deserved to be at the top, but Carol’s been doing that all her life (as seen through the flashbacks), trying to prove herself again and again for years, so were those powers really just ‘handed’ to her?
Wow that ahh...was waaayyyy longer than I intended it to be, sorry about that! Thanks again for sharing your thoughts, it was honestly nice to hear and are genuinely one of the reasons I love your videos so much; your optimism and empathy inspires me to do better in my own daily life and how I view/think of things/people, so thanks for being your awesome self!
(Thank you for coming to my TED talk haha!)
this comment deserves so much praise. you deserve so much praise. that was an incredible read. thankyou cinemawins and thankyou Yasmeen ❤️
Stella Stilinski That’s really kind of you, thank you!
@Yasmeen xii This was very well put, and mirrors some of my own experiences. Thank YOU for your TED talk.
Hummingbirder1 ♥️♥️
I absolutely love your comment and your points. I also felt like she was me for a second because: I was the only child and daughter of a man who wanted a son, and served in the military. Can’t tell you how many times I was told “stop crying” usually with expletives before it by others and myself.
I for one really enjoyed Carol's cocky swagger and Brie Larson's performance in general. Even at the first viewing it felt fresh and upbeat and her interactions with S. L. Jackson were very enjoyable. Frankly, I don't understand all the complaints about this. Robert Downey's Tony Stark turned the cockiness straight to eleven and everyone applauded. But when Brie does it for female character, suddenly she comes off as too arrogant? Double standards maybe? She is supposed to be one of the best jet pilots in the Air Force so my guess is she had to crawl up the ranks in truly misogynistic society where nothing was given for free. And she came out on top! Of course she will be a bit cocky.
spot on.
@nick murphy Of course iron man/ tony starks character is more developed as cocky. He has had NINE movies to further his character 3 being ONLY about his character. She has one. If the writers tried to develop her character in the one movie she has, you would have complained they rushed her character. I think we are going trust the writers( who have experience ) on how they want to show a character rather than some nobody behind the screen no offense. That's just my opinion
It is truly a double standard.
I know this is posting on something a year ago and nobody will probably see it or even care anymore but I find it hard to believe that people are complaining about character backstory and stuff like that this is one movie that takes place in the 90s theres still 30 years of her story to be told calm down iron-mans story wasnt told in 1 movie it seemed like people will always find something to complain about
@@HDgaming519 A Logical arguement About Captain Marvel? Impossible. No But Really, This Voices My Thoughts
Cinemawins: “People aren’t numbers. They aren’t genders, or sexualities, or jobs, or disabilities, or hair colors, or skill levels. People are people.”
Cinemasins: “Scene does not contain a lap dance”
There is a reason why I favour one more than the other these days
Because sins thinks Carrie Fisher turning around in the empire strikes back movie is hot for some reason
How's the cherry patch today?
And yet even in these comments you have people talking about how good it is to get "both sides."
WELL PUT.
Jeremy could learn some lessons from CinemaWins.
It's almost like one is a passion project and the other is guys ripping on movies for fun and laughs.
CinemaSins aren't critics, said so themselves. So stop expecting them to be and stop cherry-picking.
"Every movie, even the worst movie you could think of, is someone's favourite." Oof hit me right in the love I had for Catwoman and Elektra back when I was a kid.
J the Star Wars Holiday Special is so bad some people deny it’s existence but I love it, I watch it at least once a year.
J - agree. While my default answer will always be Some Like it Hot (cause I absolutely love that movie), there’s one movie that will always be one of my favorites no matter what anyone thinks.
And that movie is The Ice Pirates. Even my mom is questioning my tastes in movies from that. Lol.
J I’ll admit it, I enjoyed Green Lantern when I was 10
I used to rewatch and reenact Catwoman *constantly* as a kid. Ridiculous.
Me too with The Phantom Menace, I actually liked it!
You should do a video for the best movie of all time: The Emperor's New Groove
I didn't even know I needed that video until now.
Tristan Lawhorn +1 such an overlooked gem. Funnier than most comedies in recent years.
@@mhawang8204 Not exactly high praise. But, yeah.
@@DTBootlegs He's also already done Thor: Ragnarok...
YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!
I wanted to say some stuff and it got out of hand. Does it make it better if I say I'm a film student? No? Okay. Anyway. I think one thing that wasn't mentioned was that, unlike Wonder Woman or Alita, Carol wasn't feminine. Diana was in armor most of the time, but that armor showed skin. Out of armor, she wore a dress. Her whole hero thing was kindness and love- amazing things, but also stereotypically feminine. Alita was still feminine too (didn't watch it, can't talk much, just going off her look).
Unlike other female heroes, Carol's armor had no boobplate and covered everything, and when she didn't wear it she wore jeans, a battered leather jacket, a band t-shirt, and flannel. And then her personality- she was cocky, snarky, and self-assured to the point of overconfidence. Theses are all things male heroes have gotten to be before, but rarely shown in female heroes. That was my favorite thing about her character, even though it apparently rubbed people the wrong way.
The whole "men can't handle women as heroes" is false, I agree, but there's also a big difference to how some men react to masculine women vs feminine women. It's not just that Carol Danvers is a woman, it's that she doesn't have to be feminine. For me, that was the biggest win, because it's so rare to see someone like me on the big screen. I'm cocky. I'm assertive. I don't wear dresses, or makeup, and when I drop into a fighting stance without putting my hair back it gets everywhere (hey, just gotta say I appreciated that detail- her hair got super messy. The Kree ever hear about hair ties?). I also dream about living in a house with another badass woman, supporting each other and raising a child together- wait, that wasn't supposed to be read as gay? My bad, Marvel.
I really wish there were more female characters who got to be nuanced and badass in ways that aren't traditionally feminine. Representation is important, and Captain Marvel was a start.
Thanks for the empathy :) Sorely needed in fan spaces.
Something something Male Gaze, to sum it up. It's why you feel something different about Wonder Woman in Justice League vs her own movie, as the camera just straight up looks at her differently in Justice League and lingers on things men find attractive, where as in Wonder Woman it's more about showing off her abilities, not necessarily how sexy her body is - even in that armor. I agree that if Carol was in one of the less practical, more feminine suits from the comics that there may have been less complaint about things. I mean, even BAMFs like Ripley have been shown in panties, so to have a strong woman with 0 shots emphasizing sex appeal is not very common.
I was just scrolling to come and make this point also (beautifully put by the way).
I wanted to add to this however that, although I haven't seen all the other 'strong woman leads' movies that were referenced in the video, the ones that I have seen (Wonder Woman, Wasp, Jean Grey, Gamora, Black Widow, ect.) were all played not only in a femme manner, but (and this I find is a huge point) WITH A MASCULINE LOVE INTEREST or at the very least hit on/sexualize by a male protagonist (example Black Widow in Iron Man 2)
Seeing a strong woman in a movie that doesn't feel the need to rely on her sex appeal is incredible. Don't get me wrong, I love a strong woman who knows she's hot and is not afraid to use it to her advantage, or who is outspoken about her sexuality. This trope just doesn't fit Carol's persona and I'm so glad it was left out.
This is one of many reasons I find myself in love with this movie.
Rowan Hurt 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Agreed.
@@tidbit2190 When I watched Justice League, the camera didn't seem to look at WW differently. I think it's less to do with the camera and more to do with people trying to look for something to complain about, so they overreact. If the camera would show off her sexy body, I expect it to look more like something in a Michael Bay movie.
I really don't see Carol as a blank slate : we see her recovering her memories, reconnecting with her lost life, struggling with a life she doesn't fit in (the nightmares, the insomnia, the feeling she doesn't belong with the kree...). I thought her character was actually well developped in such a short time. I connected with her much better than with Wonder-Woman who I felt was a stereotype of "the powerful girl but not too much who need men to do anything and is beautiful (and everyone has to remind the audience every 5 minutes) and is a bit clueless and naive". We see her being human and emotional in the flashbacks, then fight against herself to fit in what the kree expect from her
I don't feel like her talent is unearned either : I mean she was trained by two different armies, both extremely demanding and powerful (The Air force, at a time women weren't exactly welcome in the army, and the Kree), that's not exctly an easy achievement...
I agree with everything you said. Carol definitely wasn't a blank slate and she did make sacrifices - she got powers because she was flying an experimental plane trying to save lives and then blowing up the glowing star drive about a metre away from her to keep it out of the hands of the Kree.
I 100% agree with you! I really liked both movies and overall definitely prefer wonder woman, but I still think I connected with Carol a lot more than I did with anyone in wonder woman. That may have just been me or my experiences. Wonder Woman does take place in a much different time period and I also didn't see it in theaters so maybe my overall viewing was a little skewed.
thank you! i had an issue with that part of the video as well. also all the complaints about Carol being cocky still seem to have no point to me. i love over-confident female characters..... don't really get to see that, do we? plus she is sassy like fifty other marvel characters. i don't understand why that is a problem
Oh, good, I'm not the only one who sees that. I was over here on Tumblr reading all this stuff about her being flat and unemotional and then I watched the movie like 'are we thinking of the same movie?'
about the unearned part, I think it's because of 2 factors:
1 - she's hinted to be really important in the final battle against Thanos, therefore we expect a lot, and
2 - the other core Avengers characters had multiple movies to flesh out their 'earnings', whereas Carol only had one
with that contrast and expectations then I think it's reasonable to see how people - me included - think Carol's journey was quite a bit rushed. But that's coming from being used to enjoying piecing each character's story together from a lot of different movies and hence having lots of things to work on.
i'd make a point that the flashbacks are a quick but not detailed way to 'earn' the powers, but alas you can only do so much with 2 hours give or take.
TLDR: Carol is as if not more powerful than the other Avengers, yet doesn't have the multiple-movie-spanning character arcs to earn said power. On its own, I think you make a fair point - it's decently well done; but relative to the other arcs, Carol is still at the beginning of her journey.
Empathy: I feel you.
Sympathy: That sucks.
here's your difference, and ''easier'' explanation.
I can do sympathy, never been good at empathy!
@@alexwr Im the exact opposite... empathy is easy for me. Sympathy, not so much.
@@alexwr same here, mate. never been good at empathy and I've given up on trying to get better at it.
Compassion: I am not qualified to know if what I feel can compare to your own feels. But I feel for you.
Sympathy, though, is hard to genuinely give unless a similar amount of empathy is experienced. For you to acknowledge that something sucks for someone else, you must to a degree be able to understand and value their pain in order to deem it deserving of your sympathy. For example, if someone says they lost 5 cents, I can't honestly tell them "that sucks" because I can't feel empathy with losing something of such little value, and won't be able to comprehend their potential personal attachment to the money they own.
On the other hand, feeling empathy does not immediately mean you value their hardship the same way they do, and your sympathy might not correlate with the level of empathy you feel towards their situation - like someone experiencing hardship for the first time and it's horrible for them, but you know it's something that people experience countless times in life and it just lies deep in you to not devote many emotions to such things and instead just focus on moving on instead.
A net intelligence
Annette Intelligence
This is why you read his subtitles. God bless you man
I literally chuckled when I read that.
acronym is "A. I." :-)
Just thought it was brilliant pun.
Here's my story with this movie, I avoided watching this movie because some of my friends said it was good and others said it was terrible, so I just saw the post credit scene online just to get prepared for endgame, one day after school was over I was bored and decided to finally watch this movie and thought it was good, not great but just good, I decided to show it to my little sister and now captain marvel is her favorite superhero, and she is starting to reed some of her comics, so in a way this movie introduced my little sister to comic books, and now when she saw endgame for the first time(she coldnt see when it was in theater) she was cheering whenever captain marvel showed up in it
See, this is wholesome. I wish people would understand.
7:34 "...please leave me a comment and let me know why. I'm super interested to hear from someone with your enlightened perspective."
[Shows footage of deleting comments]
lol
@hasohnir1 How is it a dumb thing to say? I feel pretty convinced by what he said
@V-Rex oh you're TERRIBLE
@V-Rex That's because men who hate female characters JUST because they are female aren't really worth listening to. Empathy can only go so far. I don't listen to Nazis because, well... They're Nazis. Why should women have to listen to men who hate them because... they're women?
@@ArividerchiMagmuasue even though his syntax literally fell apart at the end? "He is to not be?" What is he, fucking Yoda?
That’s the point of the joke
I love these they are such a great way to see movies in a positive light this channel changes my mind constantly when I have negative thoughts about a film
@safe space ugh.....
Captain Marvel didn't
received any hate or heavy criticism. only thing that this movie got is a angry neckbeard outrage. that didn't effect nether boxoffice or general audience reception
@@RandomGuy-gl4tt Yep. No criticism. No valid criticism. Keep lying to yourself.
@safe space if you think bunch of youtubers outraging on movie will affect it. you should get out from your echo chamber
@safe space I thought manbaby complaining about women in capekino were mostly around geek and gamer chanel such a shame
That was very well put. Its hard as hell to talk about this movie without misrepresenting one of the sides, but you pulled it off. Great job, keep it up.
I loved Brie Larson's take in Carol and though she played her like Tom Cruise in Top Gun! Of course she's cocky, of course she's guarded with her emotions! Plus, I absolutely love her interaction with Spider-Man in Endgame!
Ooo, yes, exactly like Top Gun. Carol's allowed to be cocky, she's earned it!
Carol was a female pilot in the 80s who also live with war mongering aliens and people want her to be all open with her emotions? In my head is kinda obvious why she is mostly stoic.
But I imagine that are people who really want to hate Brie Larson and everything that she does.
The problem I had with it is she's cocky with nothing realy (besides energy blasts) to back it up. I guess she's supposedly a great pilot, but you don't see her piloting anything in the movie.
@@petrsevcik5044 she does pilot the jet in the flashback just before she got her powers.
Carol said one line to Peter and I SWOONED. So much personality in one line
When I watched the movie, I didn't know people were debating about it as they were. Honestly, I didn't even know who Brie Larson was. I thoroughly enjoyed myself and I thought her general lack of visible emotions worked in context. Possibly just because I could still read what she was going for.
I've since heard about the arguing, though I haven't really paid much attention to it. I saw a few clips of Brie Larson in interviews and I agree with you; I don't necessarily disagree with what she's saying, but the way she says it. It's just the sort to unintentionally cause dislike and defensiveness.
if you don't know who brie larson is, i urge you to watch room, short term 12, 21 jump street, scott pilgrim vs the world, the spectacular now, and free fire.
Same here. Never knew who Brie Larson was or whether the internet was just being assholes with the whole meltdown with her. I really enjoyed myself with the movie and it made total sense why each actor/actresses portrayed each character.
This man is wise af, I wish to be like him whenever I grow up and have my own family, he’s open to everything and isn’t on sided and although he has his own opinions he’s open for everyone else’s ... empathy ... GREAT VIDEO
You give me hope for the young men who are fans of this genre! So many people tried to undermine this movie before it even came out & did everything they could to squelch the anticipation we felt after watching the second CM trailer & then, after the movie's release, proceeded to spread their hate all over the internet where fans who loved the movie were just trying to enjoy discussing it with other fans! It's like they made their life's work out of making us miserable, giving bad ratings to the movie, & hating on Brie Larson. Thanks for recognizing CinemaWins as a GOOD ROLE MODEL of how to have intelligent discussions about movies and how to be open and empathic in the larger world. (P.S. My fave reactions to the second CM trailer weren't women; they were young men who were excited to see the movie! That took courage when so many of their peers were so vocal in trying to undermine the film.)
@@DonnaBrooks
Sorry that you're ok with a bitch insulting white men. Literally all the people who are "bashing" on the movie and Brie Larson are only reacting to what brie Larson and the movie said, not just hating the movie blindly. So if you would stop being biased, those "bashers" are the victims who are nice and empathic until a bitch came on stage named brie larson and said she doesn't give a fuck about straight white guys
The positivity! It's so wholesome! OH GOSH! AHHH
Oh and I just liked the movie, it's just goofy and I get it
Dont usually comment, but I went to see this film with my 9yr old brother, and I loved it (like seriously, it had me smiling and laughing the whole way through, and that was partly because it's just a real joy seeing a cocky, no bullshit female super hero especially alongside the Coolest Of The Cool = Samuel L Jackson 👌, and I think your Neo Theory is a great analogy ).
But not only that, it ended up being my little brother's favourite MCU movie (bar Endgame haha) and I really liked that. Just from my experience coming from quite a matriarchal family, I loved that these superhero films, which my brother and I both loved, was giving us this strong female character, not becuase it was a new experience, but becuase it was familar to us. It resembles our normal on the big scene, with aliens, and banter, and explosions!!
Girls can be strong is not new information, but if your really into your sci-fi and fantasy, it is noticable that women generally aren't the main characters, and alot of the time they're just not very relatable, because they weren't written to be. AND there is plenty of exceptions (Alien 😍, Terminator 2, the recent Star Wars) mostly from sci-fi if I'm honest. And I'm not saying the addition of a good female character will improve any film that doesnt have one, but it just builds up. And I cant describe the relief I feel when I see a woman in film be like "omg, big mood, she gets it", after so long of saying that mostly at male characters
This man has tackled The Last Jedi AND Captain Marvel. Everyone, please applaud.
IMO, everything he does is a win, even if the movies themselves weren't totally good or bad! I am legitimately interested in his take of Crimes of Grindelwald (another movie filled with controversies!)
No.
Captain marvel is no where near as bad as last jedi
Mathew Williams I enjoyed Last Jedi more
@@marxxofomniscience3713 me too
Never hesitate to give your full opinion. We’re here (or maybe I should say I’m here) because I love listening to you articulate your thought process and feelings on movies with nothing held back. Thank you for another great video!
Also another request for EGA Whiplash :)
See that part about empathy and the value of seeing different experiences really spoke to me. As a gay dude I constantly get questioned about why I'm so obsessed with pushing for a gay action hero in my media. Because I want to see someone like me, go through struggles that I've been through, and still kick ass on the big screen. My favourite genres are fantasy and sci-fi, and yet my favourite movie is Love, Simon. A cheesy contemporary high school romcom. Why? Because it was the first film I've ever seen that I related to so strongly, that I thought really represented me and my experiences in a realistic way. I've seen a lot of queer indie films, and none of them captured that feeling, or made me feel so much unbridled emotion.
So that's why I want to see Wiccan and Hulkling in the MCU. To see gay teens going through the struggles gay teens face - the (for me) irrational fear of rejection, not being able to say it or bring it up, even if you know everything will be fine, the feeling that no one you like will ever feel the same way about you, casual homophobia, coming out - and then going out and being some of the most powerful badasses in existence. Something I think a Young Avengers adaptation should do that the original comic failed on was actually develop Billy and Teddy's relationship. Don't have them start as a couple, start them out as having a mutual crush, not knowing if the other feels the same way, and have them get together at the end of the film.
Of course people are gonna say "but it's a superhero movie, not a romance film, the romance shouldn't matter" and if that's what you think, may I point you in the direction of Iron Man I, Doctor Strange, Captain America, Spider-Man: Far From Home, and all the other superhero movies with IMPORTANT romance subplots.
That's fine but I'm curious would you be okay with making Spider-Man gay, or iceman who was a established straight character gay which already happened? Gay characters and whatnot are all fine but when they convert well and longtime established characters for the sake of pandering is something I hate but I'm curious what you think, I mean Tom Holland already said he's down for a gay Spider-Man lol would you?
@@milboxr9772 I would prefer for them to just use already-established LGBT+ characters or create new ones, but I'm not against changing previously-established straight characters. In any other media, I would be, but comics are all about changing and reinterpreting characters every so often, so I don't see the problem.
That being said, I do think it's lazy for comic writers to take a popular character and then make them gay as a PR move, instead of just giving an already established gay character their own book.
As for adapting characters to the screen, I think changing their sexuality is fine. Different continuity, different character. So yes I'd be down for a gay Spidey.
How about changing a well established gay character straight in the movies though? I mean different continuity right? Be honest ;)
@@milboxr9772 Of course I would be against that, as generally speaking a gay character's sexuality is a much more important facet of their character than a straight one's. And also when you make a straight character gay, there are plenty more straight characters still there, but if you make a gay character straight, you're making an already limited pool of gay characters smaller.
@@karkatvantas9557 Annnnd there it is
Steve - Rejected by the Army coz he was not fit enough
Carol - Rejected by the Airforce to fly combat coz she was a woman
Steve - Threw himself on a bomb knowing it would kill him
Carol - Shot the engine core of the "under test" light speed engine to keep it from the Kree , knowing that it would kill her
Steve - " i can do this all day "
Carol - " Does not give up even after failing hard...,and gets up every time even after falling hard."
I feel that her power is not "unearned" but is well deserved and well earned. If her power is stated to be "unearned" ....well then congruently Capt America's power also becomes as "unearned".
And I also think that she might have even been worthy of wielding the mjolnir. But we can't see that happening now coz sadly the Mjolnir has been taken back to the time from when it was brought to the endgame.
When you say Moljner do you mean Mjolnir?
@@tortis6342 Corrected , thank u 😊
I don't disagree but at the same time half of Captain America was spent _showing_ how Steve was worthy, while with Carol we only get that after we already met her. Personally I think this comes from trying to cram two stories in one, "Carol is super powerful but needs to escape the emotional control the bad guys have over her which is something she cant just break instantly" and "Carol gets her powers and becomes super powerful"
I like the idea of introducing carol as a "bad guy" only to try and turn her into a good guy, however the revelation comes way too late in the movie so the audience have already gotten used to bad guy carol and don't have enough time to appreciate good guy carol, then in endgame what few scenes she's in she doesn't act overly different to bad guy carol. (Possibly cause she doesnt really know the avengers and is just wearing a mask?)
Compare her to Ironman, we start the movie seeing how he is a "bad guy" just like carol but almost immediately we are told he has to change, then we see him start to evolve into a good guy and then have iron man 2 to cement the idea he is trying to be good. Imagine if Tony from ironman 1 joined the avengers before ironman 2 was released, the audience probably wouldn't like him as much since as a character he's still changing.
@@mickys8065 I like the character (Mcu) because it's like (Netflix) She-Ra they both fought on the wrong sides and decided to defend the weak, made friends and powerful (Only in different versions). BONUS there also Gay! (well adora is gay and I heard there are rumors that carol/marvel will represent LGBT) & even though there bad and not as the (80's) She-Ra & (Comics) Cpt.Marvel I still give'em a chance because She-Ra is awesome and Captain Marvel Is okay even though it sucks, it's still good. (But the actress ehhh... I'm a little concerned)
I feel compelled to make a point about the "earned" factor...it feels, to me, that I never heard debate about whether a character had "earned" their power until they started putting women in powerful roles. Did Luke Skywalker "earn" his Force powers (or Anakin for that matter)? Did we see Indiana Jones "earn" his archaeological experience? Did Frodo "earn" the right to carry the Ring? These are all pretty silly questions, and I think it's equally silly to expect Carol Danvers to "earn" whatever makes her special. It seems that's a standard only female characters are subject to! She originates as a powerful character in her own right, there's nothing wrong with that.
This video made me tear up, I came here to hear something actually positive about brie but what I got was a lot better. I really hope that people watch this and get a better understanding on people, how regardless of any label we are all still human. Thank you so much for using your platform to inspire thought and provide more understanding. Thank you
Hear, hear.
I, uh, 'third?' that? Anyway, Brie said some over-all positive statements in a truly clunky way. And in the tweet-happy, easy to get offended world we live in, those statements got twisted and reframed over and over again. The anger was so (and is) so intractable, one could almost think she'd crossed into ISIS territory and did a press tour like Jane Fonda did 50 years ago. Over a press junket question about inclusion. Anyway, thanks for your channel. Listing the good and positive things art gets right is a much needed antidote for whatever the heck now has become.
Finna De Greef yea exactly we are all humans and humans are shit. Have a nice day
@@cjc363636 What? No comments she said were "twisted" or "reframed". She said truly racist things and people don't like that, simple.
I love you, thanks.
Give your wife a win from me for having a reaction that made you reexamine yours. Give yourself a win for not telling her about the controversy around it so she had an untainted reaction.
The reason i spend 42 minutes watchin this is because of you. It's a movie i did not like or dislike, but i know that i will like it and understand it more after watching you talk about it.
Thank you for your work, and keep it up!
safe space do you have a life? You've commented on every single positive comment on this video?
I really, really like you. Just had to get this off my chest.
Also, i went in totally blind, i had no idea about any hard feelings towards Brie, the only thing was: I was very skeptical because i don'T really like Superman and a Friend of mine told be she's like the superman of the MCU soooooo yeah, i went to the movie with a feeling that i might not like it, but with the trust in Marvel who hadn't let me down yet.
And i really, really liked it! I am a very quite person, i listen more than i like to talk and i take up a lot people don't say by the way they are acting and maybe i interpret too much. But being like this, i really really liked the subtle things Brie did as Carol. The glances, the pauses, because i KNEW what she was most likely thinking about. We often say: A glance says more than a thousand words. And it's true...
Alright, i've only seen this movie once, but i remember liking it and esp liking the subtle cues and i am totally going to get the BluRay to watch it again.
You're amazing, thank you!
Please do Atlantis the lost empire or treasure planet!
Attempt #24
Treasure Planet ❤️❤️
Second this for the second time :P Two of the most underated but greatest Disney Cartoons.
They're both great. I especially love Treasure Planet. Well written and visually captivating even for a Disney film of the era. Shame the box office didn't agree
BACK OFF!!! I have been trying to get EGA Interstellar for like 5 months now!! lul
@Shadelz good to see you again friend. Keep it up. May we both get the videos we desire
I think this is exactly what people needed to hear. I saw this movie in theaters specifically to watch a girl beat up bad guys, I got my money's worth. And then came all the hate and politics and stuff and it made me doubt that this movie had a lot to stand on as a result. I was like you; I mainly knew Brie as Natalie/Envy Adams from Scott Pilgrim (favorite movie of all time btw, love that Everything Great you did), and didn't really get the whole feminist movement until I heard it from other people.
But this helped me feel better about my thoughts concerning this whole thing. No extremes, just a happy middle ground where I can be happy with certain things, disregard others, admit some things I liked weren't the best, and vice versa. This was a beautiful pallet-cleanser from all the toxicity I've seen about this movie, and I hope more people can watch this and appreciate having a positive eye for things. Also empathy. Empathy, empathy, empathy. Such a good lesson to learn, so few people learn it. Thank you for putting it back on a pedestal where it belongs. :)
I couldn't agree more.
You should do more Cinema wins with words of wisdom I personally enjoy them
About the clip where she "bashes" white dude reviewers:
It is also kinda important to note when and where she said those things. She said this at an Event called "Women in Film". This was supposed to be a "pep talk" and was overexaggerated to fit the occasion. I think what she said is fine in this environment. It was specifically aimed at the Women at this Event and was meant to kinda hype them up. If you give speeches you have to know your audience and talk accordingly. In other circumstances she probably would have worded her speech differently.
(it's the "butthurt" white male media that first reported on what she said with them mincing her words and dousing it in firewater and ignorance to attract views. that created the schism, which is why most people at that time who actually read what she said word for word, had no qualms with her for saying it. but the people who think 5+2=3 and bought into the media throwing her under the bus, those are the self-victimized "butthurt".)
Benji Sun *Moxie* look I get what your saying I do now I’ll admit that I was pretty pissed about what Brie said and I’m not a big fan of some of the crazy aspects of today’s culture ( SJWs for example) it wasn’t until recently that I’ve tried seeing what those on the other side have to say and understanding why they are saying them. However you need to stop, calling people “butthurt” doesn’t help anything and using this us vs them mentally is toxic ok for both sides you should try empathizing with those you disagree instead of just using a straw man ( which you did do ) and calling them “butt hurt” to disregard others beliefs. Who knows maybe I’m reading to much into this comment but empathy is really an important thing for you to do if you ever truly want to end this cultural divide and just cause you empathize with someone doesn’t mean you have to agree with them, like I can understand why Walter White for example become a meth cook doesn’t mean I condone or agree with his actions but I understand how he got to that point and I empathize with him. Again maybe I’m reading way to much into this so correct me if you think I’m wrong but you should try to understand someone and their position before you disregard it as bullshit
@Brawny Stream9502 i'm only using that word because of the video trying to generalize Clark Gregg's words, which is why i put quotation marks around the word. and my "attack" is specifically against biased media journalists who fanned the flames for a story and caused the rift in the first place, not comic book fans. irresponsible journalists don't deserve respect. would it be better if i call those journalists assholes instead? or garbage? or shit-for-brain shills?
Regardless of context, altering your messaging such that it bashes a group, any group, because of the group you're talking to, says some bad things about both the speaker and the group.
In the context of Brie Larson, this messaging is misandry, though, to be fair, it's fairly benign.
In the context of, say, Black Lives Matter (oh boy, time for that can of worms), this messaging can be interpreted as racism against white people.
In the context of, oh, I don't know, the former CPSU, the messaging is capitalists are all greedy autocrats.
The problem doesn't stem from misogyny/misandry, racism or political ideology, though. It stems from a fundamentally flawed belief that in order to 'give' to one group, one must take from others. BLM is actually a fantastic example of this, as they often talk about "taking" their rights from white people, and phrases such as 'all lives can't matter until black lives matter'.
Brie Larson is on the right track with the "more seats at the table" statement. I sincerely hope she genuinely stands by that (read: is speaking from the heart), and that it wasn't calculated (read: is trying to avoid backlash).
Part of the reason we get this 'opposite' messaging (such as radical feminists believing all men are evil, which is misandry) is because groups which form out of hate for something else ultimately become what they hate most. Don't believe me?
-The anti-capitalist USSR, home of the Revolution, was the ultimate capitalist monopoly; while Marxism called for the removal of the very concept of ownership, Leninism/Stalinism (grouping them together for simplicity's sake, not because they're the same) called for a new owner: the State.
-Modern radical feminism, originally formed out of (justified) hatred for misogyny, now actively discriminates against men (all men are pigs, yadda yadda, and yes, some of them do say that).
-Black Lives Matter, an organization founded to combat racism against African-Americans, is racist against white people. They do this because they perceive white people as an oppressor. And everyone hates an oppressor. And also kind of everyone else, seeing as they believe (or want people to believe) that no lives have value unless theirs do. Therefore, their lives have greater value than everyone else's because they're black. How can I make this assertion? Because if the value of a black person's life dictates the value of, say, an Asian person's life, then black people's lives hold power over those of Asian people. It's like the gold standard from way back when; money had value based on gold, and so gold was more valuable than money.
@@masterdynamo6457 boy, I read your entire reply and it makes sense, (no sarcasm I promise)
Just a little thing to add here, I think brie means we'll, but what she was trying to say was worded wrong.
I wrote a whole thing about what I agreed upon and what I disagreed upon and all that, but as I was about to send it I realized something kind of sad about myself. I have become a lot more negative about movies. I used to be the guy that came out of the theater all hyped and happy because "screw the minor annoyances, let's focus on all the things that were awesome", but I'm not really like that anymore. I have become a lot more critical, and not always in a good way. I don't really have anything smart to say here, so just... thanks for making me realize... The first step to fixing a problem is realizing there is one.
NeoNep I have felt the same way about myself, not just about films either. It is easy to become cynical about things as we get older. I am glad this channel exists to help me try and shift myself back to the “you don’t know, so don’t assume the worst” mindset that I strive for in myself.
I hope that someday you will be able to be that same person again when you walk out of the theatre
I don't think you should feel sad about having those feelings personally. While positivity is definitely key they are two sides to the same coin. It's alright to have negative feelings about something you didn't enjoy and to express why as it can lead to critical thinking and thoughtful debate. If people stifled themselves and only expressed the positives then the things they did not like may never improve. That is why cinema wins is so great. He is very positive yet is still not afraid to comment on something he did not like in a film (glass for example). I left a *long* comment about this movie here not too long ago about my feelings on brie and her role in this film as well as avengers endgame. I did not make the comment to bash the actress or films; just expressed what I did and did not like and why I felt the character of captain marvel did not work for me even after watching this video. It may reflect your opinion and it may not if you feel like hunting through the comments haha. Just don't feel bad for having an opinion, negative or otherwise, just as long as you do not use that opinion to attack ot belittle others. Have a great day :)
I was like that as CinemaSins was first rising in popularity. I could no longer just "watch" a movie, I had to make sure it was good and worth my time. Then I found this channel a few years ago, and he reminded me that it's possible to sit and enjoy a movie that isn't perfect.
Dude, I've realized the same exact thing about myself. Thankfully, because of channels like Cinemawins and Movies with Mikey, I've become far more positive and far less critical of movies. It's just a lot more fun to enjoy things.
I’m legitimately okay with more video essays on UA-cam. Feel free to go all the way next time.
*opens comments*
this is where the fun begins
@@lennynero8614 "But Disney bought seats, my theater was empty, it's a conspiracy!"
(I'm not kidding, I've read dozens of guys claiming that)
@@lennynero8614 "Get woke, go broke" they say
Conveniently ignoring how getting woke is actually bringing in more money.
@@shirshanyaroy287 Um. Not to sound negative but many game companies have died or at least lost money for this reason. E.g: Sony (latest game censoring announcement) and EA (BF5 was having loads of backlash and is dying) both are giants but are somehow losing money whrn they are forcing their beliefs on to people.
Shirshanya Roy people were told they had to watch this for endgame that why it sold so many tickets
@@shirshanyaroy287 Yes. The two examples you people have. But, don't look at the dying comic sales, all of the dying game companies, Ghostbusters 2016, Dark Phoenix and the list goes on. Don't look at that stuff. Just look our two examples that made money because of better movies.
I don't understand the argument of Captain Marvel being overpowered when she's like that in the comics. And if we're talking about overpowered characters, we can say the same thing about Shazam and Superman
The problem is that the majority of Marvel movies underpower their heroes. Strange, Iron Man, Scarlet Witch, hell even Thanos are deliberately held back so as to keep the world more....lets say grounded. Captain Marvel on the other hand is at almost complete strength to the point that the nerfed universe has literally no threats for her except cosmic level beings that we don't even know exist in said universe.
I have to agree with Absolute Unit. The MCU has generally been underpowered in comparison to the comics so for her to appear at full power relative to the comics means that there's currently very little threats for her to deal with and writers of any future MCU movie will have to do their best to explain why she can't just show up and fix everything by herself.
Thinking about it, the MCU would be a very different place if we had full power comic book Hulk (World War Hulk), Scarlet Witch (House of M) and Thor. There's a good number of heroes in the MCU that would be very hard to write if they were at their comic book power levels.
Congratulations of your upcoming 10th anniversary 🤗🤗🤗. I hope you and your wife have a great time celebrating it.
I tend to judge movies on the merit of the film. Captain Marvel entertained me. I definitely didn't feel ripped off when I left the theatre. Bought the Blue-ray. The MCU has taken a lot of my money over the years. lol.
Enjoy art for the art.
just like the movie, art today is shit
DevDev Maybe to you, but hey, a lotta people are over here appreciating current art and seeing the good in it
Verscont and I don’t like politics in my movies but we don’t get what we want
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Then just ignore it.
@@devdev5055 I never got the feelings they were 'shoving politics in our faces.' Please elaborate on how it did that?
I don't agree with every opinion expressed in this video, but I totally respect and love the compassion behind them. I'm a social sciences student, and the first thing we learn in Anthropology is to strip yourself as much as you can from your personal perspectives to put yourself in the Other's shoes. It can't really be done 100%, but it should be tried.
As you said about Brie, I get where you are coming from and I can tell your heart is in the right place.
I love the positivity in this channel even and specially dealing with controversial topics.
Ah, they need to teach this crap in school...
"TRY EMPATHY FIRST"
Straight up, I thought this kind of video would be 5-10 mins long, not 20. Good job finding the great in movies, keep it up.
That whole controversy felt so fabricated.
At the time, YT felt like a place full of toxic and onesided comments on Brie Larsson and how she ruined the movie before anyone has seen it.
I wanted to see a decent Marvel movie and that' exactly what I got.
Same here
It doesn't help that a subsection of fans of Alita Battle Angel tried to go out of their way to torpedo Captain Marvel and because they had a loud voice on Twitter, I've seen some news sites claiming that fans of Alita are actually women haters and such nonsense as that. It's sad because I loved Alita Battle Angel and I didn't see Captain Marvel as direct competition. The reason I think Alita didn't set the box office on fire is marketing and it being a largely unknown property.
But fuck DC films right?
@@Anduril74871Yeah, Alita ist great but underappreciated.
Wasn't there some bs debate about Alita looking to feminine?
Yeah, Captain Marvel's not my favorite MCU movie, but it's still really good. As for all the hyperbole around it, I've seen how people that aren't white men are treated by society, and how happy those groups are when they see someone like Carol or T'Challa on-screen representing them....so Brie's comments about this stuff really don't bother me. Maybe she could've worded things a little differently, but maybe those who felt offended are just a little too sensitive? I mean, I'm a white guy, I've never been discriminated against, so I'm not going to pretend I know a damn thing about the inner workings of stuff like the Civil Rights Movement or the Holocaust. But even so, if I WERE, I would want things to be better for people like me. At the risk of pissing people off....most white men really don't know what it's like to be spat on, put down, or marginalized simply for having a certain gender, religion, skin color, etc. It's easy to say "racism is over and women are equals" because YOU'VE never treated anyone/been treated like that. But other people....THAT'S where this behavior needs to improve. Again, I'll never know what that's like, but I can certainly imagine. So for people who feel the need to put down other people when they push for more equality....all I ask is that you put yourself in their shoes and look at the bigger picture of history. Maybe then you'll learn some really important things.
Alright, I've prattled long enough. Peace out. :)
Couldn't have said it better. Great two parter.
Also could you do Whiplash? J.K. Simmons is ALWAYS a win
So, I've watched this video multiple times, and I *adore* your channel and your reviews. They are very heartening in this dreary world.
That said, I think you're missing a very important point in the discussions about this movie. Almost no one is saying that men hate it because "Woman lead bad." Sexism is so much more subtler than that for most people, for most cases. We live in a society that has, especially for those of us over 25, inundated us since our earliest memories with images of who should be celebrated and who should be derided, teased, and/or snubbed. A cocky, self-assured, un-sexual, masculine woman absolutely falls into all of those categories. So when some of us say that a vast portion of the criticism of this film is fueled by misogyny, we aren't talking about knuckle-dragging cave-dwellers make "get me a sandwich" jokes. We are talking about the knee-jerk reaction that many have to seeing this type of character. Human beings are *not* rational animals, we are *rationalizing* animals. We have a reaction, then seek to justify it, and it takes a LOT of effort to break past this. As a trans woman who didn't even realize I was trans until much later in life, I have experience in this, in deprogramming myself from the reactions and assumptions I'd had programmed into me by our rather ridiculous society. 10 years ago I'd have likely reacted to CPT Marvel the same way as many of these men.
"But what about Ripley, and all the other strong women in film." Ripley's arcs in each movie were still tied to feminine tropes of one sort or another. As another commented, Ripley is shown in her underwear, but beyond that she is subservient to a man and she risks herself (in both of the first two movies) for a sort of maternal instinct drive (first for the cat, then for Newt). Also the love story comes out in the second movie too, even though he dies. WW is in sexy armor. That movie was about as empowering as anything that could have been created (I teared up during the trench scene, as did many other women, and I'd only known I was a woman for a couple of years at the time), but it still hinged on men, on Dianna responding to the actions of men, being motivated by them; she was taught the world by Steve, nearly convinced by Ares, and redeemed by Steve's love and sacrifice. For all of her strength and take-no-shite attitude, and despite how great a job Patty Jenkins did, WW had relatively little agency except for in the aforementioned trench/town battle. She has some awesome, take-no-sh!# moments, but she's a bit of the "Born Sexy Yesterday" (PopCulture Detective has a great video on it ua-cam.com/video/0thpEyEwi80/v-deo.html) trope in there. And in Justice League the problems are tons worse. With Alita, she's the epitome of the BSY trope, along with, again, having the main fuel for her story be a man and her love for him. Look at every "great, strong women" that people who hated this movie point to and you will find a romance plot or a hyper-feminine activity going on, or sexualization/subservience to men. Put up a woman (or four women *cough* Ghostbusters 2016 *cought*) who have none of those things, who are never sexualized, who barely even talk to men except in being smarter than them or overcoming them, who prove men wrong or knock men down, and you will have a hoard of people, mostly men, ready to deride it.
So yes, in some ways it is still a problem of people screaming past each other, but not in the ways you think, I believe. Do those things you cited happen at the fringes of the conversation? Sure, and in the toddler-hood of the internet those margins suck up a LOT of oxygen, but the main of the conversation is more nuanced than that, just as the problem of institutionalized misogyny in our society is nuanced, layered, and usually subtle as can be.
your review is absolutely incredible. thank you
Wow, so well said. Thank you for taking the time to put this into words!
Preach! I love the way you put all of this together!!
This!! Thank you!!
Incredible!! Very well said!
I think what bothered me most about the controversy is that while some of the people defending this movie went about it the wrong way, particularly those that just throw out the word sexism, it felt like the ones criticizing it were going out of their way to demonize everything associated with the film for no real reason.
Like there have been several UA-cam Channels that have spent the last several months criticizing Brie Larson while also fully admitting that they are just doing it for the views. They’re intentionally fanning the flames of fury for no reason other than they’ll get more money because they do and some have even cried foul and declared a conspiracy is afoot whenever their videos wind up getting flagged or demonetized since they just lost access to their golden goose.
It makes it hard to find people with honest criticisms because the angry trolls are occupying the top spots on the search bar making the whole experience of trying to talk about the film feel tiresome and tedious.
Well, wasn't it sexism to make over hundred videos attacking everything about the movie and the main actress, from her supposed lack of smile down to her but? Who exactly do you think went "overboard" with pointing out what this hate campaign actually was (I am not sure if the actual creators of those hate videos did it out of conviction or for the money, but I don't think that it makes a difference, since the result is the same)? Show me anyone, just ANYONE who ever claimed that Captain Marvel is the greatest movie ever because "female lead"?
If anything there aren't enough voices speaking up against the unfounded hate campaign. I mean, the movie is now out on home video and they still haven't stopped. Now they are doubting the home video sales, blaming Captain Marvel for the failure of Dark Phoenix, and they are still discussing of Carol is a villain because of a f... deleted scene. I still have to wade though a lot of nonsense to find the occasional video in which someone does a honest review of the movie.
@@swanpride Come to pinterest my friend, we're swarming with people who think the movie was great because she was a female lead.
What bothered me most is that there are some people out there who just want to find everything wrong about anything in life, be it a movie or song or cartoon. Those people will always state their extremely pessemistic opinions without regard to how it negatively affects nice people, and it is the reason they will never truly be happy. e.g. "I hate this movie. It's totally woman-washed." when it should be "huh. Not great, but not terrible either. At least the writers tried." Then again, someone will always say this is their opinion. Well, I say, "if you don't mind sounding like someone with passive aggressive personality disorder or narcissistic personality disorder and either being ignored or argued against, then try seeking psychiatric help before 'expressing your aggressive opinion again solely to upset people who won't agree with it instead of simply giving an opinion'."
It's not the film or the character, not really anyway, its what they represent that most are opposed too. The abusiveness of PC movements have always risen and fallen, Prohibition and Mccarthyism are two examples, but this recent resurgence has been particularly insidious as it appropriates geek culture mediums and insults the fans when they take offense of their hobbies being used for socially and politically abusive ideas and agendas. They hypocrisy of this is many heading up such projects say their ideas are too important too be silenced, but have no problem silencing and/or attacking critics including harassing children.
Captain Marvel takes two longstanding characters in the comics, the actual captain marvel which is traditionally a man, and Carol Danvers AKA Miss Marvel, and applies modern PC culture to her, and demands geek culture accept this or they are sexist.
I personally think this PC culture resurgence will implode rather than fade away as its become far too fanatical and abusive for those involved to just accept a loss and go back to their corners.
@@dragon9261 Damn, pinterest sounds like a terrible place
I wish I could like this video multiple times. I wish I could’ve given it one like at 4:12, because that was hilarious but also very accurate, another at 12:52 for the surprising truth and empathy amidst (
scorching debates that villanize people, 15:16 for the utterly hilarious visuals, 15:45 for the silly but entirely accurate summarization about what Captain Marvel does get wrong, 16:16 because I never expected to see Tom Bombadil in all his glory in a video about Captain Marvel and because this is already the funniest video I’ve seen all week, 18:30 for making me feel both touched and...dare I say...validated because that’s so, so true for me as a woman even more than I realize. I love the Lord of the Rings but it is mostly a story about men (though I do love Eowyn and Galadriel and Luthien and Melian and, to a lesser extent, Arwen mostly because they, albeit often immortal, are like me). I love these men, as characters, and am touched beyond reason by the courage and brotherhood and the Ride of the Rohirrim, but there’s still a definite divide. I love Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Arc, but the only person who looks like me is Marion and her sole purpose for that movie is to scream and provide *~*motivation*~*. I didn’t always realize that gap between movies and myself until I saw the 2017 Wonder Woman movie and I discovered tears in my eyes and chills running up my spine. The new Tomb Raider movie had a similar effect, flaws and all, because here was a woman who did Indiana Jones-type feats (though I won’t say the movie was as good because Harrison Ford) and wasn’t busty and sexualized that didn’t made me feel...icky. I felt that a little with Dark Phoenix when much of the (weak) theming turned out to be about setting your emotions free when I hoped for something more like Magneto’s arc and how I could look at a calendar and note that it would be a few years before there was another female-led superhero movie that I could hope would disappoint me less (it’s weird to me how much it matters, even when I try to brush it off). I want to see movies that aren’t just about women being empowered (I’m bored with that now) but about ridiculously egotistical and quippy women being humbled like Tony Stark or struggling with their perceptions of honor and their country like Captain America or struggling with their weakness as someone who is used to being a literal god and seeking revenge like Thor or stepping into maturity and responsibility like Spider-Man in a world that can so easily turn on him that he just wants to be an ordinary kid in. In short, stories about women that aren’t just about being women (which are also great, just as “stepping into manhood” stories are great too, but shouldn’t be all there is). And I got sidetracked... Anyway, thank you for your empathy, your thoughtfulness, your ability to recognize the qualities in art and how they affect people while also challenging it to become better. As a lover of stories, as a writer of stories, as a fan, as a human being who is learning to see other human beings for their nuances in both art and life, thank you. P.S Please do Song of the Sea. I think your wife would like it.
Oh my god, Song of the Sea is beautiful, and I cry every single time I watch it.
Every time.
This is a great comment! Since I'm a man, I probably can't say the exact same thing that you said, but as part Native American, I can kinda relate. Because everytime they portray one of my ancestors on screen, it's always with then being savage like and all that. They started to change that, and I'm glad about that. I'm glad that Lee liked your comment and I'm just wondering why it doesn't have more likes.
I feel like Brie was so underused in this film tho. I could feel her doing everything she good to put accross a good performance and being held back by the script/directing in many scenes
She statistically is not really underused though
If you look at the respective screentimes of MCU leads, and how much it is compared to the overall runtime of their movie, only 3 people have more than Carol: Tony in Iron Man 1, Peter in Homecoming and Strange in Doctor Strange.
Every other movie is either a team movie, which are hard to measure since what really counts as the protagonist there, or has less protagonist screentime.
Trust me I was surprised too how far at the top she was.
@@masked_mizuki what I mean by underused is her acting skill. She's a better actor than what the script/directing gave her
Agreed. Any problems this movie had were in the direction and script. The cast was top-notch and they all nailed their roles.
It's not that men can't handle a strong female superhero; it's that, from what I witnessed, they prefer the female superhero to be more like Wonder Woman (feminine warm kind and strong but willing to be on a team), or a rogue spy like our beloved Black Widow. The truth about Carol is she's arrogant and has every reason to be. She's strong AF and she knows and will use her strengths cunning and wit to out maneuver any opponent. She's stoic and serious about the missions just as Steve Rogers is in Endgame and the first Avengers movie. She's good on her own, and can take down entire armies on her own. While she doesn't really care about being on a team, she doesn't need one and makes it clear. Diana is a demigoddess. She is a literal otherworldly being, and so is Carol. They're both fiercely feminist icons. It just so happens that while Diana would be the softer more outwardly compassionate and kind female superhero, Carol is harshly blunt, hotheaded, arrogant, well trained, completely capable, and lets you know this up front. And it's this very trait, that she'll tell you exactly what you are and how much you do not mean to her or anyone in the grander scheme and not give a shit to the wind on how that makes you feel, is why a lot of people don't like Carol (or Brie). Carol only shows her vulnerable sides when she feels the safest, aka at the home of her best friend and fellow test pilot Maria Rambeau and her daughter Monica. There is when you see her soften, lighten up, let the guard down and show her fear and pain. For those who didn't see this, it's because they didn't want to see it.
Wrong!!!!!
@@EgoHead710 What’s wrong?
@@SuperHedgehog910 The comment as a whole, completely downplaying the very real misogyny of the Captain Marvel movie hate train. Also, completely misunderstanding Captain Marvel's character as a whole.
@@EgoHead710 Examples?
@@SuperHedgehog910 Read the original comment carefully after watching the movie and then you'll know, unless you didn't watch the movie and just bought into the stupid notion about the character being bad and toxic then you shouldn't waste your time here.
I watched the movie without knowing nothing about the controversy, so I really liked almost everything in it :3
Same, didn't know about the controversy until after. Wasn't expecting anything from it so it was simple entertainment. A little cheesy at times but that was my only observation.
safe space Can you like shut the fuck up you neckbeard bitch and stop trying to ruin something for other people, I personally dislike captain marvel but im not going to try and put other people down because my life is so bad.
I was the same way as you, only that I didn't find out about the controversy until months later. It was a good movie, for what it was. It was a popcorn flick, meant to, as CinemaWins once said "make your popcorn taste better" and I think it accomplishes that.
@safe space You are sorry that someone enjoyed something? That is a good thing.
3:05
"Diametrically aposed"
Hamilton fans: FOES
The emerge with a compromise having opened doors that were previously closed
BROS
YES!
2:07 Have to disagree there. Marvel is chock full of potential cosmic-level threats -- Annihilus and the Annihilation Wave, the Phalanx, the Shi'ar Empire and Gladiator, the entire Cancerverse, Randu the space parasite, Aegis She Of All Sorrows and Tenebrous Of The Darkness, the Builders -- and yes, I'm purposely ignoring the most obvious choice of Galactus and his various heralds, just to illustrate how much is out there.
Trust me, there is no shortage of ridiculously OP threats for Captain Marvel to clash against in the wider universe.
Also small threats that she can't fight normally (see Siege: Spider-Man).
@@absolutecarnage777 Her first encounter with Venom? That was one of my favorite Carol Danvers moments... EVER!!!
And as for the “She’s too overpowered, it’s boring” sniveling... I’m old enough that I saw the Christopher Reeve Superman films in theaters. In well over 40-years of Man of Steel media consumption, not once... NOT ONCE... have I ever heard a fraction of this many people say he was boring or stupid because he was “too powerful.” And for chrissakes, he is WAY more powerful than Carol is at any point in the comics, even as Binary! How can anybody look at that fact, and conclude there’s no misogyny involved?!
@@davidmcleod5133 You've never heard the argument that Supes is too OP? That's literally everyone's biggest complaint about any Justice League property. Just because you haven't seen something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. People have been complaining about OP characters for a long time. The misogyny is in the review bombing of the film, not in actual complaints about how Endgame wrote her out of 90% of the movie because they couldn't figure out how to give her a challenge.
@@absolutecarnage777 I know I'm probably late to this party, but the whole writing her out of 90% of the movie cause they couldn't find a challenge for her is false. It is said in a couple of interviews that she was filming captin marvel as well as endgame at the same time, so due to the conflicting schedules, she was only able to appear in a few scenes. Being near the beginning, as well as the final big fight.
And going into the op characters debate. Yes, I see the reasons why op characters would be hated on, and more. But I feel like Carol just hasn't got a good fighting chance yet because her time on screen as well as her story progression being limited. This was her first time being introduced into the MCU in movies at least, and as a result, when she was in endgame, many people just rolled their eyes or complained about her being overpowered and called it a day. Although we haven't seen an end to her power, who knows! We may in upcoming movies, or more. We don't know what the writers are planning, therefor we shouldn't fully judge a newly introduced character.
(And before this becomes a heated debate, I hear and respect your thoughts on the matter. This is just my personal outlook, and you are more than free to disagree. Anyways, hope you have a good day, and I hope I didn't ramble on too much.)
this, this is the best take on captain marvel i’ve seen
This really makes me glad that I had no idea about her controversy until now lmao
I didn't know anything about her off screen comments either. I just knew people just hated on Brie just because :))
@@AlexandruCarjan I didn't even know that lol
Same.
@DriftZ TwoSeven I don't use Twitter and I don't follow Brie Larson in anything, so it just never popped up
DriftZ TwoSeven is there something here I’m missing?
I appreciate the insight and the value you bring to the table. I learn a lot when watching your videos and think my film watching skill/experience is enriched because if this. Keep up the good work and thank you.
This video in particular should be a must see for any critic.
4:35 anyone else wondering what is his favourite? Am honestly very curious to know
Krishay Agarwal yep
I think he said it's Sunshine
Sunshine
He really likes Scott pilgrim vs world
Its Scott Pilgrim Vs The World
I want to see him do up just because of the marriage scene. One of the greatest emotion inducing scenes ever without a single word
It's already done
Edit: just checked yup
*Laughs in Pixar's UP*
I’ve always loved the mcu as a young girl I’m constantly being told to not show emotion I agree with many of the things in this video and I liked watching it but I wish you could have mentioned (because you would not have much if any experience with this I get way you didn’t) but in the theater I saw 6 year old girls in awe of a hero and that hero was a woman i was 15 when I saw that movie and I’m so happy that little girls get to see what I couldn’t a powerful girl showing emotion yet still seceding and beating her demons I generally cried after watching this because it showed me and others that we CAN show personality and emotion and still excel in life that we are just human and no I don’t think that we have reached outer highest point but we’re getting there
Sorry had to rant
Katherine Morris hey! that story line is also very applicable to guys. Most are told to ‘man up’ and not cry or show emotion as a weakness so I’m sure he could relate to it just perhaps not as much
This is the best captain marvel review I’ve seen yet :)
Ted Sava That’s because it’s only the positives of the movie. It still has a lot of mistakes
Marxx of omniscience he literally does a comprehensive analysis of both sides of the argument. Did you watch the whole video?
The Lion King?! Getting ready to cry through all the wins.
Ok, so I understood from part 1 that you're actually up for listening, so I'm going to try to explain at the best of my capabilities (I'm not natively anglophone and the majority of my English vocabulary is self-taught) what this movie meant to a lot of women and why we defended it so staunchly, but also what I fundamentally think Brie's background was in what she said.
So... it's not hard to notice how until very recently female characters in blockbuster movies weren't always treated as real characters, and too often female characters were just barely noticeable or stereotypes or just there to be ogled. Which, I mean, that's not the ultimate sin, I'm a bisexual woman and I can appreciate hot women as much as men do, but on the other hand it does feel like only men get to feel good and powerful and important, even when they're playing the bad guys. What I'm saying (and what you probably already heard) is that if you look at the history of cinema as a whole, there's a long history of women being sidelined, or just barely tolerated as part of the culture, even though we were actively contributing to it if not being the reason why some franchises even flourished. Like, who were really behind Star Trek's survival as a tv show? Female fans. Who created sci-fi? Mary Shelley. What I mean is women contributed to fan culture and media as much as men did, but somehow me and too many other people grew up thinking media was entirely a men's thing, so it makes sense to be shocked when you discover actually women were a part of nerd culture and comic book culture since the very beginning but simply went uncredited, which means women in this field - and in the STEM field, but that's a whole other topic - were treated unfairly and it's legitimate for women to be angry about it.
Now, in the last decade, women have started to enter the industry, actresses have started to make themselves heard, enter production, gain power in order to tell their own stories from their own perspective (because sorry, a man trying to talk about women's experiences will never be as accurate as a woman talking about women's experiences, at best a man can get some aspects of it but not all of it and the same goes for women talking about men, which is why I'm not talking about how men experience life and I have a lot of respect for men overcoming their own unique problems, but you also don't see women trying to act like they know what being a man is like whereas too many men have been acting like they know a woman's life better than women do). But this has largely only been benefiting white women (and going even deeper, cis heterosexual white women) and Brie came from a place of realizing that female empowerment doesn't only have to be about a very specific subset of women who already experience some level of privileve (whiteness, straightness, being able-bodied, being cis etc), otherwise it's not "empowerment for all women" but only "empowerment for SOME women" and that's the same problem we had before, but with more people being thrown under the bus.
So, in this context, it makes sense to react to critics shitting on A Wrinke In Time and noticing they were mostly white men and being unhappy with that, because if a movie is clearly made for a specific audience and has a meaning of empowerment for people who never get uplifted, the opinions of someone who could never understand the meaning of it and thus does not care for the cultural meaning of that piece of work, they are... irrelevant. Really. Because yeah, a film critic is supposed to be impartial, but they'll always come from a subjective angle. Now, had there been more black women writing reviews for that movie which was mainly for them and empowering them, it would have created a fairer balance in reviews and opinions. Maybe Brie's delivery was off, but men really overreacted, especially because she was NOT talking about male viewers, she was talking about white male CRITICS. She was not criticizing the audience, she was criticizing the industry. So it really does not make sense for randos to get so mad at her when when she wasn't even talking about them.
It's really hard for me not to sympathize with her, because from my perspective she was simply arguing for giving minorities representation not only on the screen but in the industry, and as someone who understand what being othered feels like, that's really noble and good. And when I see someone acting so petty about something that wasn't even that offensive compared to what women in the industry have to deal with... sorry, but I'm human, and anger is a completely human and natural reaction. Men have been dominating the arts and entertainment industry for centuries, and it's only fair for women to join these fields now. It's just fair. And as Brie said, nobody's taking anything away. What she wanted to do was to propose to add more seats, perspectives, ideas to the table, that's simple as that.
And considering how bland and stale Hollywood movies are now, there's a real need for fresh ideas and new perspectives. Art thrives on novelty, on change, on moving on from the old. The entertainment industry and the arts only have good things to gain from more voices and experiences and perspectives being added in, and it's literally a win/win for everybody.
I don't see what's bad about that.
And about the hurt feelings... men, women have been dealing with dehumanization, attacks to our body autonomy, humiliation, rape, battery, economic and trauma directly caused by gender injustice for a very, very, VERY long time, all things we still feel the ripples and repercussions of (no, sexism is not over, our culture is still full of old patriarchal structures and mindsets so yes, we're still suffering from all of that shit) which men never had to deal with on a gender-wide scale as men were always at the top of every social pyramid all over the world. I'm sure you can find it deep in your hearts to deal with a widdle bit of hurt feelings and move the fuck on. Nobody's taking your movies away, we're just adding more movies and more audience engagement. Which also benefits you. There is literally no loss here. It's a win for everyone. That's the perspective of what Brie was saying. But it takes context to understand where she was coming from.
As for her tone and delivery, it's no secret that she has been suffering with social anxiety for a very long time, and I suffer from that too. And let me tell you, it's really easy to be on the defensive when you grow up assuming everyone is ridiculing you or hating on you. But of course, nobody really cared, their feelings of outrage HAD to be prioritized over someone else's actual message. If only these men had actually calmed the fuck down before jumping to conclusion.
I have next to no hope for those men to actually read and understand what I said and to get that I come in good faith, but for everyone who's willing to give me the benefit of the doubt: women are not trying to destroy men. We just want to be seen and uplift each other as life for women, historically, has always been shit. I'm sure you can understand this and not see it as evil. It all comes down to whether you *want* to understand or not.
More people need to see this.
This helped me understand so much. Thank you.
Thank you for saying this.
You're seriously a genius for analyzing all this.. 😍👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I've only found this video (and thus your comment), so I'm late to the party, but THANK YOU for putting this into words! I appreciate you putting the time and effort and emotional labour into this comment.
I guess I was lucky to see the movie before hearing about Brie's offscreen behaviour. I thought the movie was fine. I thought Brie portrayed a very subtle and self controlled "warrior/pilot" as scripted and directed. That was her character. Any faults in the movie really just went against the writing and directing which was pretty bland.
I went into this movie blind too. I only heard some indication that there is controversy around this movie when it came out, but I never followed up on it because I didn't really care to be honest. It was solid, on the level of Phase 1 movies I guess you could say. Had a fun time watching it and I sure as hell don't have any intention of looking up the controversy now.
@@TroublingStatue I enjoyed the film as well and find the Phase 1 assessment to be pretty accurate. But we're 19 movies in at this point. I think the issue for Marvel is that with such an expansive universe established now, origin stories can seem pretty standard by this point. I feel they need to find more ways to introduce characters through other films like they did with Spiderman and Black Panther in Civil War. So the characters' solo movies can jump deeper into their stories.
@safe space again you
I didn't actually I sadly heard about it before watching the movie. But because I don't let others' opinion or so they label it as "opinion" affect my own. I was soooo living with the movie I forgot anything that was said about it. Maybe because I don't hate at all but the CGI the comedy the fighting the story The friendship totally got me with the movie 🤤🤩
The directors were indie directors who made comedy-dramas and dramas. I don’t think they’ve ever made an action or sci fi movie so maybe that had some impact on it? Then again the director for WW only did lifetime movies before directing WW so I don’t think that’s it. The directors are talented though so I’m not sure what happened.
If Solid Snake showed up in LOTR I'd probably be mind blown and very confused.
“Holy shit Tolkien was REALLY ahead of his time!”
“Kept ya waiting, huh?...” (aims rocket launcher at Sauron’s eye)
Alright, heres my story:
Because of all of the negative videos I’d watched about how horrible Captain Marvel/Brie Larson was, I went into the theatre with a sort of sour feeling in my chest, and I left with a similarly uncomfortable even angered feeling. I felt a part of me brought out that didn’t feel like me. I left the theatre thinking the movie was ‘meh’ and kind of hating on it tbh. I wasn’t sure why though.
In short, I wanted to thank you for making this video. It really helped me to let go of all that negativity built up inside of me against this movie. I can only blame myself honestly. I went onto watch those videos written against Brie Larson and felt bad that so many people were attacking her. I know what it’s like to struggle when it comes to communicating with people, so I tried to defend her. Now I’ve learned maybe it’s best to just leave people be and let them let go of their anger and hope that eventually they’ll come to their senses and rethink everything.
Lots of love to you, Brie and everyone who has a hard time communicating with people. 😇💕😋
I like that you shared this experience. I have to be honest, I didn;t have the courage until just today to watch his vids on the movie because of backlash.
All of those negative videoes were done due to ad revenue built on people wanting to see more venting. This video actually help me resonate with the movie.
Yeeeah, when you have an actress that says that the movie is NOT for ''white men'', and the fact that Captain Marvel is a Mary Sue, I can kind see what those people are coming from. Especially Computing Forever. And ESPECIALLY the deleted scene! Oh god, the deleted scene...
what? the deleted scene where the biker acts like a douchebag and she gives him some comeuppance?
fuck captain marvel, thats all, disney bought tickets to boost the numbers, rotten tomatoes changed they website because of this movie, and now we have shills being bought to protect this movie and brie larson
@@lordfeeda9627 I doubt the Disney is still paying " artificial grass roots advocates" at this point.
However I could see from the Fandango ticket sales screens which showed side and front seats sold out before premium Center seats and from the recently released combined Blu-ray and DVD sales numbers combined with the recent scandal over Disney's Financial shenanigans that it's plausible Disney manipulated the box office the first 2 weeks buy a significant amount. And if their deal with the theaters was in line with their prior blockbuster movies it would have only cost them four million dollars out-of-pocket after taxes to produce 100 million dollars worth of fake box office.
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And related to the O.P.,, Brie Larson and Jesse Eisenberg are the only two actors in Hollywood who have ruined their personal brand with me. And I think I might watch Jesse Eisenberg and the Zombie Land movie but I just automatically skip any other film he's in now. Likewise, Miss Larson makes my skin crawl and I do not want to see her on screen. It took a lot of work on her part to do that. But she did it faster than Jesse Eisenberg by specifically targeting my customer demographic.
People were okay with Gamora and Natasha because they were also “sexy”, with shampoo commercial curls, pouty lips, and plunging necklines. They were flirted with, flirted, and were pursued sexually/romantically.
Actually, a majority of the ones you mentioned kind of lean that way.
Thanks a lot for articulating this. :-)
They were also not the main character.
@@simrantapaswi8345 what about the other 7 movies he named having a female main character that people loved? It's not the woman that's the issue, it's the attitude. She's a the male equivalent of a cocky douchebag.
"Slow down, don't crash your go-kart." That actually is good advice.
@Burger Tree It's not the advice, it's the way he said it.
I do like what you did at 8:00 with the 'fury' in infuriating :D (Sorry, all this chat and sometimes the simple things are just nice to enjoy)
1: Lion King is next! Yessss! You’re reviewing my childhood!
2: I appreciate you’re willing to honestly talk about this subject and allow for empathy.
I feel so much for Brie because I also have a hard time making my thought come across correctly. It is so hard to say the right thing in the right situation at the right time. As a person with social anxiety, I constantly worry about how other people are perceiving my actions and words. It's exhausting to try and be yourself while also saying the right things. I understand the awkwardness of trying to please everyone and what it feels like when you fail at doing so. Right now I feel like my words aren't going to come across in the way I want them to. It's so difficult to have social anxiety.
"It's pretty inFURYating."
I hate that I love you
Dude. You’re finally doing the freaking LION KING! About time.
Also, great video once again. I’m actually not sure why you thought that your audience would find this specific video bad or boring. One of the things that makes you unique (and superior to CinemaSins) is your thoughtful conclusions. The conclusions (IMO) are what makes your videos great. Granted, the normal wins sections are also good, but the conclusions provide a lot of your feelings and make me appreciate the movie more. I definitely wouldn’t mind more of this.
Captain marvel isn't that overpowered. Yes, she has a SWEET powerset, but individually none of the powers are something we haven't seen. Blasts, decent STR, decent toughness, flight - and her unique is really FTL flight. I'm more annoyed by how Vision got treated in Infinity War. He had blasts, flight, decent STR, decent toughness, computer mind and phasing, but lol no you don't get to have nice things, Vision.
Arguably Vis seemed to be OP in his first appearance.
Exactly. I mean, doctor Strange could lead with her doing astral projection on her, or Mantis could make her fall asleep. She does is very powerful, but she isn't that overpowered.
People watch Captain Marvel and say she's overpowered because she easily blew up a bunch of ships but, Thor could do that just as easily and more so I don't really get how she's the one who's overpowered.
I only accept "she's too overpowered" as THE reason to dislike Carol from people who also hate Superman. If you like Superman, then... Carol is pretty close to a female Marvel version. And I get that the bland, blank-slate type powerful escapist fantasy character isn't everyone's thing, I just ask that people be honest with their opinions rather than hypocritical.
i dont hate op characters as long as they use their story arc clever. i hate how these massive powers make the situations pointless because they can be easily handled
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however when it comes to this character i didnt see that problem. she had vulnerability and real challenge.in her own movie thanks to that chip on her neck she was massively depowered. she reacher her true powers at the last 20 minutes of the movie. that is why;
talos managed to kidnap her
skrull's managed to put up a fight against her
yon-rogg knocked her out effortlessly
when she fight against the supreme intelligence her brute force was useless. if it wasnt for her character development and self realization, SI was about to consume her until there is nothing left except vers.
even when she got stronger after beat SI, yon-rogg and star force managed to put up a fight against her
in endgame she couldnt beat thanos. neither at her first attack by her own mere strenght nor after the second attack that absorbed energy from the stones and strengthening.
Yeah, Vision really wasn't treated well. I mean, I don't really care for him as it is, but then again I didn't care about a lot of Marvel characters before and the movies made me love them. But Vision... my interest stayed really low. And I know that's not because of the character being uninteresting, but because of how many missed opportunities there were for him, and that's a shame. I'm sure that with more attention given to him, I would've loved him as much as I love a lot of other characters in the MCU. If you're a fan of his, I'm sorry about how he was treated and about the missed chances to make him really shine.
I 100% enjoyed this movie, but captain marvel’s character definitely has a lotta potential to be expanded and developed in the sequel. There IS going to be a sequel about her, which leads you to assume that there will be a villain that can match her. Ragnarok did wonders for Thor’s character (mostly due to our god Taika), and Hela being able to destroy his hammer was important for his character development throughout the entire thing. Both characters begin super cocky and kinda OP, but also kinda bland to some viewers (a lot more in the case of Thor I feel). A sequel where Thor was humbled and learned more about his power made him super likeable. Carol has potential for that to happen to her, too.
Anyway Imma make sure to read captain marvel comics in search of good villains
I wish Taika would direct more MCU individual movies! That would be AMAZING.
I want you to know that this channel is loved so much - keep up the great work!
Thanks a bunch for taking the time to do this video. I can tell getting this out meant something to you and I got quite a bit from it. Go empathy!
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I know nobody is gonna care about this, but I've had trouble with empathy my whole life. I have autism, and while symptoms vary, one of my symptoms was difficulty comprehending empathy. It's not that I can't, it's just harder for me. I've tried to show it, but I usually end up making one of two mistakes.
The first is I'd try to put myself in someone else's shoes, think of how I would react in that situation, and then I'd get confused when people don't react the same way as me. For example, I assumed feminists wanted to murder all men because, if my gender was oppressed for thousands of years and all the other got as punishment was essentially a slap on the wrist, I'd wanna do that too. I think you can guess how that turns out.
Then there's the other extreme. I try to take all the potential aspects of a person's life into account. It usually starts with taking what I know about them (I.E. their name, race, gender, job, etc), but then I go down a rabbit hole and try to take into account their fandoms, favorites, beliefs, and other things I can only speculate about them. Then I consider if they even are the type to get offended in the first place. I just end up standing there, before I blurt something out just to fill the silence.
I don't know why I decided to lay this out in a comment. I guess I just thought to say that empathy isn't as easy for me or something.
I care, as I also have autism. You are not alone.
@@sambridgers9543 Me too
If you don't think Brie Larson is a good actress, watch Short Term 12 or Room.
I loved Tommy Wiseau in that one!
Lol
I don't know why, but her acting has just never resonated with me. I've seen Room, and her two MCU outings. Ehhhh... I don't think she's bad, I just don't think she's as great as others say.
@@demigodgamer8517 then watch Scott Pilgrim, bitch
Is it weird that I think Captain Marvel is a great demo of Brie Larson's acting skills, for the very reasons people are complaining? Anyone can emote big and loud. Delivering a reaction shot while showing the character's stoic facade unbroken, that takes expertise. Subtlety is hard.
Looking forward to The Lion King for the next video. I'm not crazy right? That's what the screenshot is from?
I'm fully expecting a "this movie exists" win ding for it if I'm right.
My first thought was it was Fern Gully, but then I realized it's likely the scene where Timon offers Simba the grubs to choose from, so yeah, I think it's the Lion King. I'm excited for it if it is!
@@VeniaStark yeah. That's what I thought it was. Here's to hoping we're right!
@@VeniaStark yeah. That's what I thought it was. Here's to hoping we're right!
Which lion king?
oblivionwriter a video long over-due
Woah woah woah! Someone complained about the angel of Verdun?! That is the one comment I cannot forgive
My experience for the film was "It was okay." Brie's performance could have been a lot better, but I know she's great so I don't blame that all on her. The overall structure of the Kree world could have also used some work, but the main thing that keeps me saying I liked the movie was Carol's story. It was great! The story of not only human resilience, but also the message to young women to not get defeated by douchebags or society and keep fucking trying your hardest. I thought that was brilliant.
An example of a scene in the film that I think solidifies this point is when Yon-Rogg orders Carol to fight him without using her real strength and "prove to him" that she can win. As a guy, I can say that dudes do this all the time. They need women to "prove themselves" in what they can't do rather than just accept them for what they can do. Physical strength is one thing most guys have the advantage with over girls, and that's really the only consistent thing. So when a girl is smarter, faster, cleverer, more ambitious, or more attractive, they resort to being physically imposing.
TL;DR: It was a great scene.
I love your comment, it is so spot-on!
I appreciate how your videos encompass a pure love of film generally and a desire to make peace. What sets this channel appart is you try to push people to be better people. Being positive helps, but this talk about empathy is something a lot of people need to hear. I was really upset by all the hate Bree got just for talking about how representation matters, but I wasn't surprised by it which is sad.
The controversy with this movie has faded, but empathy is still desperately needed in other situations.
wow👏👏.
What you're doing is positive but also realistic, you're a true optimist
Since Spider-Man and Endgame aren’t out on blu Ray yet, could you do Everything Great About Rango someday?
yes. that movie needs more love. yes it won an oscar but it's not a massively popular film.
Definitely Not Tommy Wiseau what nobody’s talking about THAT Oscar win is the fact that rango BROKE Disney’s best animated feature streak involving wall-e, up and toy story 3! As well as it had the great director-actor duo that was gore virbinsky and Johnny depp that made the original pirates trilogy. Of which also cinema wins needs to also do as dead mans chest and at worlds end we’re basically the infinity war and endgame before the beginning of the MCU!
Gore Verbinski is one of the most underappreciated blockbuster directors ever. His Pirates trilogy is incredible and it sunk deeply as soon as he left.
Just so you know, that Solid Snake edit is probably the funniest thing I've seen in a long while. Bravo.
I found several of her moments to be "oh come on just shut up, you're trying too hard." But looking back on them as her being a bad guy actually fixes those moments in my eyes... of course she has a couple eye-rolling moments; she's a bad guy for a while!
And I'm genuinely concerned for people who wholeheartedly believe that her subtlety was bad acting or under acting... everyone followed the plot, right? She couldn't trust anyone at any given time, and she was all alone on an unfamiliar planet. She's supposed to always show her hand? I feel like too many people are incapable of perceiving media with the knowledge that not all the characters on screen know what we know as audience members.